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Starting point is 00:00:00 An unsuspecting rookie could have a big-time impact this season. That's where we start on this episode of Locked On Patriots. You are Locked On Patriots, your daily New England Patriots podcast, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. What's up, Patriots fans? I am your host Nick Cattles, born and raised in New England, your team every d fans. I am your host Nick raised in New England, yo expert host of the Everyt co host of the Greg Bedar with Nick Cattles and als

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Starting point is 00:01:03 episode is brought to you by Fandool. Right now, new customers can get $200 in bonus bets when your first $5 bet wins. Craig Woodson has an opportunity to go from criticized reach to critically acclaimed. During OTAs this week, a lot of people talking about Woodson. Mike Giardi of Boston Sports Journal wrote this, Woodson looked like a vet on Tuesday. Again, just one day, one snapshot of a multiple

Starting point is 00:01:31 month process this spring and summer. But when I had eyes on him, he didn't appear to waste any movement. Phil Perry posted, strong rookie mini camp, running with some big names at OTAs, a pickoff of Drake May. It's early, but Woodson has been one of the most impressive newcomers to this point. Craig Woodson has an opportunity. He has an opportunity to be a bigger factor than many of us thought. You go back to draft weekend and you begin with the fact that the Patriots, they committed a legitimate asset to draft Woodson. It wasn't a late fourth round pick, an early fifth round pick, a late fifth round pick,

Starting point is 00:02:15 early sixth round pick, seventh round lottery ticket, undrafted free agent that fell into their lap somehow, some way. No, Craig Woodson was the fourth pick in the fourth round. He was just outside the top 100. He was pick 106. That's a legitimate draft asset that you are spending on Craig Woodson, which tells us the Patriots thought highly of him. The other thing that tells us that the Patriots thought highly of him was the fact that they drafted him at the top of the fourth round, which means they had all Friday night and all Saturday morning to rethink the strategy. Look at the big board, say to themselves, yeah, we like Woodson, but we don't

Starting point is 00:02:56 love him enough to pull the trigger. Can we trade down? Is there somebody else on the board that we want instead of him? And on top of that, you had the Patriots drafting Woodson ahead of other names at the same position that a lot of pundits liked more than they liked Woodson. Woodson went 106, Billy Bowman out of Oklahoma went to Atlanta at 118, Lathan Ransom out of OSU went to the Panthers at 122, Malachi Moore out of Alabama went 130 to the Jets. 118, 122, 130, all safety picks in the fourth round of the draft. So

Starting point is 00:03:36 the Patriots committed to Craig Woodson, which should tell us that they thought highly of him. They decided to use that pick on him, knowing that there was going to be a run of safeties later on in that round. And they drafted Woodson ahead of all those other guys. The opportunity is also going to be there for Woodson because when you look at the rest of this roster, there are questions at safety. Del Pettis made the roster last year. questions at safety. Del Pettis made the roster last year. Good story. But inevitably, an undrafted free agent. And the Patriots knew that Pettis was on the roster when they decided to use that pick on Craig Woodson. Marcus Jones, electric athlete, fun to watch with the football in his hands, but not a big guy. And you also have to wonder wonder was he a Bill Belichick player?

Starting point is 00:04:26 Did Bill Belichick love Marcus Jones? Maybe he wasn't an Elliott Wolf pick or a Matt Groh favorite and Marcus Jones with his size and some of the health things he's gone through Far from a guarantee to play 17 games for you. Jalen Hawkins more of a strong safety Had that one-year deal last season with the Patriots didn't play great. Wasn't God awful back on a one year deal could easily be cut before the season kicks off. But Nick, they signed Marcus Epps. Yes, they did sign Epps, but Epps signed a one year deal shorter on money.

Starting point is 00:05:03 And he's returning from an ACL. So when you start to look at those safeties, I'm not talking about Duggar, I'm not talking about Peppers, we know who those guys are. But when you look at the rest of the safety depth chart, there's an opportunity here for Craig Woodson to make some noise. And it's very early. We all know it's very early. Nobody's gonna sit here and tell you that in late May, we know that this guy's going to be a starter, this guy's gonna play a bunch of snaps.

Starting point is 00:05:35 We don't know that. As G.R.D. wrote, it's one practice, it's one snapshot, it's one day. So maybe Woodson falls back, but at Rookie Minute Camp, he stood out. OTA is the only day in front of the media this week. He stood out. And that's all you can do, right? When you're given the opportunity, when you show up to Rookie Minute Camp, you want to show out. You want to stand out. And that's what Woodson did. When you have a chance at OTAs to work yourself into the rotation and to make some plays, to pick off Drake May, that's what you do.

Starting point is 00:06:13 You stand out. So the limited opportunities that Woodson has received so far, very, very, very early, the infancy stages of his NFL career, he has made the most of those opportunities from what we have seen. And it's obvious because of the draft pick that the Patriots used, they want this guy to succeed. They want him to be a part of the program here. You don't draft somebody at the top of the fourth round and stash him for the next couple

Starting point is 00:06:42 of years. But maybe the biggest argument for Craig Woodson getting an opportunity and having a bigger impact than many people thought, including myself, is just the fit. He makes sense. Woodson, from a positional value standpoint, makes sense. I have been talking about this for years, and I mentioned this when the Patriots drafted Woodson in real time. And I tweeted this out at Nick C radio. If you want to follow me at Nick C radio, I tweeted out, look, I know that some people believe that Woodson is a reach.

Starting point is 00:07:16 I know some people are going to question that pick at 106, but if Woodson could end up being a coverage safety, if he could end up6, but if Woodson could end up being a coverage safety, if he could help this team in coverage on the back end, and it's not, let's be honest about this, it's not his strongest suit, but Evan the czar, Patriots.com was watching his Catch 22 podcast, and he mentioned that Woodson, from what he saw at OTAs, again, one day, one snapshot, one practice, but Lazarus said that Woodson looks more like a cover safety, a pure cover safety. And if Woodson can be a pure cover safety, that's the kind of guy that I've been clamoring

Starting point is 00:08:04 for over the past few years. Dugger, closer to the line of scrimmage. Peppers, closer to the line of scrimmage. You need somebody who can cover. Peppers, probably better than Dugger. Dugger has struggled in that area. So not only do you look at the depth chart and beyond Duggar and Peppers, there are questions where you can easily see Woodson leapfrog into a rotational spot. Not only did they spend that fourth pick

Starting point is 00:08:36 in the fourth round on Woodson after sleeping on it and drafting him ahead of other safeties who were favorites for some analysts out there. Not only that, but he could be the fit that they've been looking for, or maybe they haven't been looking for the fit, but now they have the fit. If he can play coverage at an average to above average level on the back end, that would help out this defense tremendously. And it's not just playing a quasi-free safety role.

Starting point is 00:09:08 He's six foot, he's 200 pounds. He could play maybe some big nickel. And we know that Mike Vrabel has talked about how crucial the nickel role is for an NFL defense in 2025. So if he could play some big nickel, if he could play some free safety on the back end and be average to above average in his coverage skills, make some plays on the football like he made at the practice on Tuesday against Drake May, then that's going to be the icing

Starting point is 00:09:38 on the cake because we know for a fact that he is violent. We know for a fact that he is a high impact hitter. He's somebody who you could easily see fit into the Terrell Williams defense, the Mike Vrabel defense. Violence, physicality, downhill, stick people. That's what Woodson does best. So if you have that to go along with average to above average coverage skill, he will get the opportunity.

Starting point is 00:10:09 And so far he's made the most of his early opportunities. A big name is having some contract issues and would fill a major need for this football team. That's coming up next as we continue with today's episode of Lockdown Patriots, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. NBA playoffs are in full swing and my goodness, you talk about a crazy postseason. Every night delivers highlight worthy performances, major momentum shifts like Indy, New York in that first game and can't miss moments, whether it's a game winning shot or a breakout player. How about Aaron Neesmith?

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Starting point is 00:11:44 And there are a couple of big holes left on this roster. Premier pass rusher, premier wide receiver, an alpha in that wide receiver room. Stefan Diggs is good. We'll see if he's still good returning from the ACL. But he is no longer a number one guy. He's more of a number two. He might even be a 2B after the ACL surgery. We'll have to wait and see. A huge hole remains, that alpha wide out. And Terry McLaurin is having a contract dispute with the Washington commanders. Now, I understand, you understand, it's very unlikely that McLaurin is going to get traded. Washington just went to the NFC championship game.

Starting point is 00:12:30 Jaden Daniels had a tremendous rookie season. You don't want to take away his best receiver, but if I'm the Patriots, I'm not taking that for granted. I'm picking up the phone. I'm putting up to my face and I am calling Adam Peters and Just checking in. Hey Adam Great season last year by the way I mean fantastic run you guys did just an awesome awesome job getting to the NFC championship game by the way Terry McLaurin

Starting point is 00:12:57 What's going on with him? Are you open to the idea of having that conversation? I would absolutely Are you open to the idea of having that conversation? I would absolutely 100% call. Some people might beef with this idea that McLaurin is a true 1A receiver. I think he is. And I think that his play over the several years prior to Daniel's getting to Washington

Starting point is 00:13:20 was more about the quarterback position than it was about McLaurin himself. He's a very good route runner. He's got great hands. He's made a bunch of tremendous catches that I have witnessed. I've watched it live in action and the dude has just a great set of hands. Last year, 82 catches, just under 1,100 yards. He had 13 touchdowns, 13 touchdowns with a rookie quarterback. How good was McLaurin last

Starting point is 00:13:50 year? Second team all-pro. We talk about Christian Gonzalez. We rightfully and justifiably pump Gonzalez's tires because he made the second team all-pro last year. Well, McLaurin did the same thing. So you want to talk about level of player, second team all-pro Gonzalez, second team all-pro Terry McLaurin. You're going to tell me that you don't want to think about the idea of adding a second team all-pro wide receiver to this roster?

Starting point is 00:14:20 Of course you do. He's also tough, tough football player. And he turns 30 in September. So I would think he takes care of himself. You pay him well. He's got at least three years left. You could imagine that at the age of 32, he's still playing productive football. So with the year he had last year, the resume speaks for itself.

Starting point is 00:14:47 The tools that he has speaks for themselves and being 30 in September to me is not this huge obstacle. He should be just fine over the next three years. And why would I be calling? Why would I be going after McLaurin? And this goes for really any wide receiver one that might become available at some point down the road here, even if that guy's 28, 29, 30 years old, because a true number one receiver, I think could be the difference between being on the cusp of the playoffs and

Starting point is 00:15:27 Being in the playoffs and not only being in the playoffs, but also being dangerous if you add that alpha wide receiver if You're able to add that guy everybody else falls in line Let's just use McLaurin as the hypothetical here since he's the one that's having the contract dispute. You look at McLaurin, if you put him there as your number one, you put him in the wide receiver room, he's your number one wide receiver. He could do pretty much everything that you need him to do. So you've got McLaurin. Now Stefan Diggs, you don't have to worry about Diggs producing like a number one. You don't about Diggs producing like a number one.

Starting point is 00:16:06 You don't need him to produce like a number one. You need him to produce like a number two. And I think he is fully capable of doing that. He was doing it in Houston last year before the ACL injury. And if you're worried about Diggs subjugating his ego, I have absolutely zero issue with that. When he got to Houston, he understood, he realized, he acknowledged that Nico Collins was that guy. And he did not have this big time issue

Starting point is 00:16:34 taking a step back, Nico being the guy and him being more of the number two than the number one. He used to be a number one, but I think he's realistic now and understands that if you bring somebody in like McLaurin, he's not going to be at the top of the depth chart. He as in digs. So you've got somebody like McLaurin in this hypothetical situation because of the contract, you've got McLaurin, you've got Diggs as the number two. And now you've got Pop Douglas as your number three. You could play him in the slot, obviously. And then this gives you some time to develop Kyle Williams.

Starting point is 00:17:14 Maybe Kyle Williams ends up becoming your number three guy. We know that Williams can play inside, he can play outside. So you could easily put him in the slot. The quick releases at the line of scrimmage are deadly. His ability to make a catch underneath and turn it into an explosive play would also help. So if you add somebody like McLaurin, you bring him in. You've got Diggs as your number two. You've got Williams slash Pop as your number three.

Starting point is 00:17:44 Slash four. And now you've got a lot less to worry about regarding Jalen Polk and Jayvon Baker. You might be able to trade Kendrick Bourne for, you know, a fourth, fifth round pick. And the best thing of all, if you bring in that alpha receiver, it's May Day. You're talking about supporting Drake May and the Patriots I think have done a really good job given the options that they had. I think they've done a pretty good job

Starting point is 00:18:15 supporting their young quarterback this off season, putting him in a position to succeed at a higher level. You add a McLaurin to the mix, you're doing even more for May. You want to talk about support. Imagine Drake-May with an improved offensive line. McLaurin, Diggs, Kyle Williams, Pop Douglas, Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper, Trevion Henderson, Ramondre Stevenson. Not too shabby, right? And you have the resources. You look forward to the 2026

Starting point is 00:18:53 NFL Draft. The Patriots have nine or 10 picks in next year's draft. They have plenty of picks. They get that fourth round pick they picked up from Kansas City in the trade in this past track. They've got first, they got second, they got a third. So you have the picks. You have the picks to play with next year. You have the cap space.

Starting point is 00:19:16 The Patriots still have $67.3 million in cap space. They could easily bring somebody in like McLaurin, front load his contract, dump the money on the table, and then even it out as the years go on. And I don't have much of an issue getting rid of some assets, getting rid of some picks at this point, because you've done so much to supplement the roster that was existing You've added so much that again. You really have two big needs two huge needs

Starting point is 00:19:53 The pass rusher the elite pass rusher and a guy who you could consider as a number one receiver And if I'm filling one of those two big needs I'm willing to give up some assets for it. And that could be the difference from cusp of the playoffs to being in the playoffs and maybe being a little bit dangerous, a little bit frisky. Arguably the most underappreciated edition of the 2025 off season. That's coming up next. As we continue with today's episode of lockdown Patriots, part of the lockdown podcast network, your team every day.

Starting point is 00:20:34 Robert Spillane is the most underrated, underappreciated addition of this offseason the Patriots have had. Not enough people are talking about Spillane. Pro Football Focus this week released an article and I found this to be fascinating. Trevor Sigma over at PFF came up with every team's top three players. All 32 teams and their top three players the player on top for the Patriots I'm sure many of you could guess this was Christian Gonzalez of course Gonzo is at the top number two I'm sure many of you could guess who it is it's Milton Williams so So, Gonzalez and then Williams.

Starting point is 00:21:26 And then sitting at number three, this surprised me, but sitting at number three was Spillane. So, Trevor Sikma of Pro Football Focus says that Robert Spillane is the third best football player on this Patriots roster. best football player on this Patriots roster. And he is so underrated and so underappreciated. It's been a part of his story throughout his NFL career, especially the last couple. But this is somebody who is familiar with the system.

Starting point is 00:22:00 He played for Vrabel. He played for Terrell Williams in Tennessee. He understands exactly what Vrabel and Williams are going to be asking of their players on that side of the ball. He knows and he is a through and through style fit. If you want to talk about violence, you want to talk about downhill, you want to talk about chaos running around the field making plays. That is Spillane. He's chaos. He's fun to watch. If you enjoy linebackers who are running all over the place and making plays

Starting point is 00:22:36 Spillane's your guy. So he's obviously a style fit. Vrabel and Williams felt that way. They paid him some pretty good money. They brought him into the program here in New England because they feel like he's the perfect guy for them. And during the OTAs this week that were open to the media on Tuesday, this should not come as a surprise, but it's an example of how big of a role that Spillane is going to have with this football team. He was the quarterback of the defense on Tuesday. He's the guy out there that's directing traffic, making sure everybody knows where they're supposed to be, what the play call is going to be, what

Starting point is 00:23:16 the purpose of the play is going to be. That is Spillane. Spillane is the quarterback of the defense. A pivotal role. When you talk about a new scheme, new coaching staff, some guys that are holdovers from the prior regime and the prior regime before that, it is a huge role, critical to the operation to have the right guy being the quarterback of the defense. And that's the role that Spillane is filling He is vital

Starting point is 00:23:50 He is vital to this season So let's talk about him and what he brings to the table and why he's under appreciated and underrated Spillane is one of the best linebackers in football against the run and that's not hyperbole I'm not sitting here throwing sunshine his way because he's wearing a Patriots uniform now. He is literally one of the best linebackers against the run in the league. If you don't believe me, let's back it up with some evidence. Last season, Pro Football Focus gave Spillane the eighth highest run grade at linebacker. Eighth best linebacker against the run. His run defense grade was 87.3.

Starting point is 00:24:35 And here's the thing, that's not a flash in the pan type deal. That's not a one year wonder kind of deal. Because when you go back to 2023, Spillane was actually even better against the run. Last year his grade was 87.3. In 2023, his grade was 89. He was literally one of the best linebackers in football against the run in 2023. And he was a top 10 linebacker against the run in 2024. He knows what he's doing. Relentless going after the football. A ton of solo tackles. We've seen some missed tackles here and there, especially last season,

Starting point is 00:25:19 some issues with some missed tackles for at least a stretch during the season. Spillane, tons of solo tackles and he's just a tackle machine. In 2023 he was 10th in the NFL and tackles with 148. Last year he was even better. Last year he was tied for third in the NFL for third in the NFL with 158 tackles. He flies around the field, he hits people, he is a sure tackler, and that's not all he does. Now, let's be honest, honest assessment. That's what we do here, transparency. If somebody does something great, I'm going to let you know. If somebody's not so great, I'm going to let you know somebody's not so great I'm going to let you know Spillane has not been very good in coverage he was not very good in coverage last year so we have to anticipate that we have to understand that that is not a strength

Starting point is 00:26:19 I'll give you the comparison you know when you look at what he did against the run, I'll tell you one more time, his run defense grade was 87.3. His coverage grade was abominable. It was 48.8, which placed him 137th out of 189 linebackers. He's not out there to be a super coverage stud. He's out there to hit people. He's out there to make plays on the football. And he's also out there to get pressure on the quarterback, which is another part of his game, another aspect of what he brings to the field, which makes him underappreciated and underrated. He was 21st in the NFL in linebacker pressures last year, according to PFF. So let's just say top 20 rushing linebacker.

Starting point is 00:27:13 He is a very good blitzer. And when you think about the Vrabel Williams defense, you think about some of those changes up front that we're going to see. You think about simulated pressure, defensive lineman, looks like he's going to rush, oh, all of a sudden he drops into coverage. Here comes Robert Spillane streaming towards the line of scrimmage, making life miserable for the running back,

Starting point is 00:27:40 making life miserable for the quarterback. A very good blitzing linebacker, top 20 in pressures, 21, top 20-ish in pressures according to Pro Football Focus, and he was really good in 2023. Marcus Moser of Raiders Wire wrote this about Spillane's 2023. Of the linebackers who played at least 1,000 snaps, Spillane had the ninth highest grade in 2023. He was a top 10 linebacker in football according to Pro Football Focus and that is when you're looking at the grade itself. Top 10 linebacker in all of football just two years ago. It was really good last year. just two years ago. It was really good last year. One final note that you should never underappreciate that you should never underrate or overlook the guy's

Starting point is 00:28:34 ability to play. Snaps on snaps on snaps. Spillane last year played 98.2 percent of the snaps for Vegas. 98.2 percent. In 2023, he played 97.18 percent of the snaps. This guy posts, this guy plays, he's gonna be out there on the field making an impact. So great against the run. Great when it comes to rushing the quarterback quarterback of the defense, perfect style fit considered a top 10 linebacker, according to pro football focus in 2023 could easily see him be in the top 20 this year. He is the most underrated and underappreciated addition this off season. Robert Spillane.

Starting point is 00:29:32 That wraps up this edition of Lockdown Patriots. Let me know your thoughts on today's topics. Reach out to me on Twitter at Nick C Radio. Don't forget to throw a comment in on the YouTube channel. Help us out there. And thank you for making Lockdown Patriots your first listen today. For your second listen, check out Lockdown NFL Scouting. Crabs and Marino will make you the most informed NFL fan this off season. Find Lockdown NFL Scouting on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts. Have a great holiday weekend and I will see

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