Locked On Penguins - Daily Podcast On The Pittsburgh Penguins - Another day, another trade proposal for the Pittsburgh Penguins

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

Could the Penguins give the Calgary Flames a call for forward Andrew Mangiapane? Patrick and Hunter discuss a new report linking the Penguins to Mangiapane. They look into what a trade would cost, if he's worth acquiring, and whether or not some of his numbers are as good as they may seem. Next, the Florida Panthers could join an exclusive club that only the 2009 Penguins and 1984 Oilers are a part of. With that in mind, they look back on the Penguins back-to-back finals trips in 2008 and 2009. Finally, do the Panthers close it out or does Edmonton stay alive? Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!eBay MotorsFor parts that fit, head to eBay Motors and look for the green check. Stay in the game with eBay Guaranteed Fit at eBayMotos.com. Let’s ride. eBay Guaranteed Fit only available to US customers. Eligible items only. Exclusions apply.Ultimate Hockey GMEver dreamed of becoming an NHL GM and managing your hockey franchise? Ultimate Hockey GM is completely free and playable offline, play on the go, as you want and when you want to. Locked On listeners get a 100% free boost to their franchise when using the promo LOCKEDONNHL in the game store. To download the game just visit hockeygm.app or look it up on the app stores. Ultimate Hockey GM - Start your dynasty today!PolicygeniusCheck life insurance off your to do list in no time with Policygenius. Head to policygenius.com/lockedonnhl to get your free life insurance quotes and see how much you could save.GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONNHL for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply.FanDuelFanDuel, America’s Number One Sportsbook. Right now, NEW customers get TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR BET. That’s TWO HUNDRED BUCKS you can use to bet everything from the Finals MVP to who's going to hit one out of the park! Visit FANDUEL.COM/LOCKEDON and add a big win to your summer bucket list! FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The penguins find themselves linked to yet another trade candidate out of the Western Conference. And on this edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast, Hunter and I are going to figure out if the juice is worth the squeeze. Your Locked-on Penguins, your daily podcast on the Pittsburgh Penguins, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Hello and welcome back to another edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. I'm one of your host, Patrick Damp. You can follow me on Twitter at Synonym 4Wet. Joined as always by the one and only Hunter Hodes. You can follow him on Twitter at Hunter Hodes.

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bonus bets with any winning $5 bet. That's $200 in bonus bets with any winning $5 bet. Visit fandle.com slash locked on to get started. Here we are yet another day where the penguin's name comes up in some sort of trade speculation or some sort of rumor about a player that may be once out of where they are, a player that's a pending UFA going into next season. And it's another forward. According to a report from the fourth period, the Calgary Flame,

have been contacted by a bunch of teams about forward Andrew Mangiopani. The penguin's name is amongst those teams that have reportedly, according to the fourth period, reached out to the Calgary Flames. And I'll be honest, I look at this one. Can't say I'm too excited about this as far as trade candidates for the penguins going into next season go. Did not have the best season in 23, 24. or now similarly, as we've said about a few players this offseason so far,

you do have to take it with a bit of a grain of salt because the Calgary Flames were not one of the better teams this year. So you would expect some struggles from a player like this. But that said, 75 games played 14 goals, 26 assists for 40 points. He did have a solid season in 21, 22, played a full 82 games, 35 goals, 20 assists for 55 points, excuse me. All of that said, though, Hunter, when you dig into this player, kind of unimpressive and comes at quite a high cap hit,

despiteing it having only one year left on that deal. Yeah, so the 35 goal season, that's all fine and dandy, but you have to look a little bit deeper to see that he had a 18.9 shooting percentage for that season. You round that up. Basically, it's 19%. So since then, He shot 9.3% in 2022, 2020, 23.

This past season, shot 11.5%. He's also, when you combine his shooting percentage for his career, it's 14.3%. He's probably not going to shoot 19% very often. And I don't think he's going to score 35 goals again in a season, probably for the rest of his career. I think at best you can get 20, 25 goals out of him. I mean, the last couple of seasons, production-wise, 31 combined goals. So he's been in that range of, you know, 14 to 17 to 18 goals. If he were to come to the Penguins, I could see him obviously saying in that category and maybe getting upwards of 20 plus.

I think that would be an asset to the Penguins. He would be a really good option for their middle six. He's still below 30. So you get a little bit younger there. But as you said, the contract, that's a little bit of a red flag to me. 5.8 million for this season before he becomes a UFA for the 2025, 2026 season. and he also has a modified no trade clause, so you don't know if the penguins are on that.

The only way I see this kind of working is if the flames retain a little bit of money. I will say this, though. The flames are a team right now with Craig Conroy in charge. I would keep calling him. I don't think he's done a good job as their general manager. Some of the moves that he's made have been a bit lackluster. I think he's lost more moves than he's won. So if you can keep calling him, maybe seeing if he can retain some of that money,

I would be down for that. Say he retains maybe a couple million, that salary comes down to $3.8 million for this year. That would make sense. But am I interested in taking that entire $5.8 million salary for this year? No, I'm not. No, it's way too high of a cost for what you're getting. Yes, the penguins do need depth scoring.

And a guy who has scored 17, 18, 35, 17, 14 goals in a season, respectively. That's good depth scoring, but not for nearly six million. That's, if you're getting six million, you want him to be on the fringes of your top six. You want him to be a guy who can pot 20 to 25 goals. And like we said, that 35 goal season really is an outlier.

This is a guy who outside of that season has not topped 20 goals in a season. So I don't know if this is a player you should target because again, nearly $6 million, I want you to be maybe a guy who can play on the top line in a pinch, but mainly I want you to be a second line player who's going to score 25, 20 goals in a season, really complement that top six, not a guy who is going to make nearly $6 million and be on your third line. Now, if it's an embarrassment of riches kind of deal where you've got so much talent in your top six, you have to put this guy on the third line. I get that, but that's not where the penguins are. However, I agree with your point about Conroy.

They're going to have a very interesting summer in Calgary because a lot of cap space, just to shade over 19 million. They don't have a ton of RFAs or UFAs that they need to resign. They're obviously very much likely to trade Jacob Markstrom, and that's $6 million off their cap right there. They've still got Dan Vladar and Dustin Wolf is an RFA. Dustin Wolf is going to be the goaltender of the future in Calgary. He has shown some very good flashes early on.

If he can piece it all together, they've likely got a franchise goalie there. And they've still got some good pieces in guys like McKenzie Weeger. They've obviously got Huberto, who they're hoping bounces back. Cadry still has something in the tank. Andre Kuzmenko is a solid player, Blake Coleman. There's some pieces there. But like you said, it's the old Twitter cliche of identify the bad GMs and call them all the time. And he is maybe not solidly on that list, but he's definitely a guy that you want to give a call to and see what you can get out of them.

He's working towards it. Again, I just really haven't been a fan of some of the trades that he's made. I feel like for some of the players, he's moved out, he hasn't gotten fair value back. And I feel like here of your Kyle Dubison company, if you can keep, calling him and seeing if he wants to retain at least a little bit of that contract to see if that can work for the Penguins because obviously that would work a lot better. I would rather have him that, you know, again, 3.8, 3.5 million somewhere in that range compared to almost 6 million for someone who scores 14 to 18 goals. I think he would very much help this team. He gives them

another good depth score in the lineup. It just has to be at the right price overall. His underlines this year were mostly fine. Possession-wise when he was on the ice, the flames had 51.5 percent of the shot attempts. The two years prior, he was 58 and 59 percent. So a little bit of a step down. Goals for, goals against was fairly even. Expected goals percentage was about 52.5 percent. Squaring chances wise, 51 percent and high danger chances, almost 54 percent. So most of those numbers, you know, fairly solid. I think they can improve if he's in a better situation like the Penguins. But again, with this player, it just has to be at the right price with some retention involved. Yeah, if you can get them to even four and a half million, I can stomach that for a guy like Manji Apani because if he scored 18, 20 goals, even maybe a little bit more at 4.5 million, I wouldn't hate it to say the least.

Yeah, because you look at the way the market itself is resetting with a rising cap in the way that depth players are being more valued. And when I say depth, I don't mean fourth liners, bottom pairing guys. I'm talking middle six. I'm talking second pair. The prices are going up along with the cap. So you may have to pay a little bit more of a price to get those guys on your roster. But if you can get out of him what he's done in his career so far, which is hovering between 15 to 20 goals at that price, I'm fine with that.

I think he would fit in well. Like you said, his underlines pretty solid. You put him in a little bit more of a stable situation. in Pittsburgh. It could really help his production. It could help his game along a little bit better. But again, we've been harping on it in this segment. The cap hit he has now, that scares me away.

I will say this. One last thing on the Calgary Flames. I don't totally blame Conroy for a lot of what's gone on there. They have a very meddlesome ownership that really gets in the way. of a lot of what could be a plan to get a good team together. So he's one of those GMs where do we really know if he's a bad GM or if he's got someone behind him pushing him to do things he might not want to do? That could be it as well.

I just, you know, with his track record so far, his overall body of work ever since he took over, not the greatest. We'll see if it improves this year. But he's getting towards that category of, oh, find the bad GM. and call them all the time to see what you can get for some of their players. He's not fully in that category, but we're starting to get him to trend there with some of the moves he's made. No doubt.

But so at the end of the day, it's an interesting option. A lot has to go right. There's got to be some salary retention. If there's no salary retention, I'm out on this. But if you can get Calgary to hold on to a few bucks, bring him in, get him to score a few goals, I can live with it. But that'll do it for this. first segment of the Locked-on Penguins podcast.

When we come back, the Florida Panthers could join a club that the penguins and only one other team are in tonight should they finish the series. Hunter and I are going to talk about that and more right after this. But first, let's tell you about our first sponsor, and that is Fandul. Summertime means baseball, the NBA finals, and more,

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And we're going to do a lot more focus the rest of the show on the Stanley Cup final. I know this is a Penguins podcast. So we are going to find a Penguins connection for the Stanley Cup final. final tonight the Florida Panthers once again have the chance to win the Stanley Cup and if they do they will join a club that is only only has two members Pittsburgh Penguins in 2009 and the 1984 Edmonton Oilers and that club is a team that loses the Stanley Cup final the previous year gets back and wins it so rather than talk about if the Panthers can do that tonight. We will talk about that in our final segment as we look forward to

to game five tonight. We want to talk about the Pittsburgh Penguins journey in 2008 and 2009 to winning their first Stanley Cup under the Sydney Crosby era. And looking back, this, I'm going to start here, because this might be a bit of a hot take. I think the 2008 team was better than the 2009 team. You're right. You're right. You're right. they were. I mean, just look at the way that 08 team destroy the Eastern Conference in the Eastern Conference playoffs. They blew through everyone that year. Their only problem was they went up against one of the greatest teams I've ever seen in the 2008 Red Wings. That team was loaded, top to bottom, forwards, defense. You know, Chris Osgood, he was good enough in net, but that team

was stacked. Honestly, it's kind of a miracle. The 08 penguins got to a sixth game against the Red Wings just because of how great that Red Wings team was. But the way that 08 team bullied everyone in the playoffs was awesome. That 09 team was also very good. But you know what they had that the 08 team didn't have? They had the experience because they went through what they went through what they did in 2008, excuse me. And they used that to their advantage a little bit in 2009 when they finally were able to slay the dragon and beat the Red Wings. Yeah, I mean, I think that people put a little bit too much of an emphasis on the experience thing when it comes to 2009. I don't think it's irrelevant. It's definitely relevant because you have that sort of a roadmap to show you like, hey, this is what went wrong last time. This is what we went through. We know how to better navigate it now. But you look at that 2018, man. They sweep Ottawa in the first round. They beat the Rangers in five.

and then they beat the Flyers in five. They played all of 14 games to get to the Stanley Cup final. There was, you know, the old cliche of like, oh, to win the Stanley Cup, you need at least one quote unquote easy series to get to the final. All three of them were pretty easy for the Penguins that year. And the thing is, all three are all three of those Eastern Conference series, they very easy could have all been sweeps. Oh yeah. I mean, again, they bullied all three of those teams. It didn't matter what line was on the ice.

They were taking it to the opposition every single time. Mark Andre Fleury, he was better in 2008 than he was in 2009. I know he made that amazing save on Nick Ledstrom in Game 7. He was pretty solid throughout the 0 and 9 playoffs. But Pat, we can dive into the numbers too. Mark Andre Fleury was better in 2008 for the Penguins than he was in 2009. And I don't think you can argue it. I know that it wouldn't happen because it wasn't that transcendent of a performance, had a 933 save percentage in that playoff. He had three shutouts. He only gave up 41 goals. It wouldn't have happened because there were so many studs on the 2008 Red Wings. But you could have very well voted Mark Andre Fleury third for the Kahn Smyth, because that 08 final against Detroit, it would have easily been.

a sweep without Mark Andre Fleury. He was under scene all series. He really was. And then you go, you go up to 09 and it's not as, it's not as good of a stat line for Flurry. 9.08 save percentage, gave up 63 goals, no shutouts. It was a rough sledding, rough sledding relatively for Mark Andre Fleury in 2009. But I will say he was very good in the Stanley Cup final in 2000. Obviously, everybody remembers the Secret Service save against Lidstrom. It's iconic. I said it to a coworker the other day. If Mark Andre Fleury were to ever get a statue in Pittsburgh, it has to be that save.

But he was rock solid in that final. He like the rest of the team struggled in games one and two. You can forgive him for those games because the penguins as a whole in 2009 in that final were not good in games one and two. but games three, games four, and six and seven, he was an absolute rock. And I can't even blame him really for the blitz in game five when they got absolutely taken to the woodshed. Because again, similar to games one and two, everybody was off that night. It wasn't just Mark Andre Fleury.

Yeah, they were having a lot of trouble winning at the Joe over those couple of series in 08 and 09. And then Flurry plays one of the best games of his career in, game seven with the saves that he made, especially, of course, at the end. But, you know, that 019 also had Afghani Malkin going God mode throughout the Stanley Cup playoffs. He was great in 08 for the Penguins, as was Sidney Crosby. But Malkin just went into a complete other level in 2009 with the way he was able to win the consmite, the way he was great through all four rounds for the Penguins. Crosby, I think he was better in 2009 than he was in 08 as well. But

Geno, man, he was just lighting it up. That Cookstall Kennedy line in 2009. That was also great. And I think Dan Bilesma just brought a swagger or a confidence that this team really needed right after the coaching change was made. This team was just playing free will type of hockey and it translated into the playoffs. That's another big fit thing for me as well. Yeah, no doubt. And you can never discount what Michelle Tarian did to help this team grow.

because you watch the way they played under Dan Bilesma. It was a more open, freewheeling style, but they still had ingrained in them an ability to play team defense that is an absolute credit to Michelle Tarian, because you look at that team when they're coming up with the Crosby, with Malkin, with Stahl, La Tang, all those young guns. They were all very talented offensive players. Jordan Stahl was a great two-way forward, but these guys had so much offensive talent,

but you had, and I know this annoys a lot of people, you had to mold that into a more complete game because it's very easy to play a freewheeling offensive style, but if you can't defend in the NHL, you're never going to be able to outscore your problems. You just won't. I know that sucks to say. I would love to see more 7-6, 8-7 games. But at the end of the day, if you can't stop it, you're not going to win. And you watch the way they play Game 7 in 2009. They were an absolute dominant force on defense.

Yeah, they got caved in. But if you go back and watch the third period of Game 7, yeah, they're under siege for the whole 20 minutes. but outside of one or two times, including the Lidstrom, the Lidstrom save where they had an extra attacker, there's not a lot of threats. It's very low danger. It's very perimeter play.

It's very, we're going to let them play with the puck on the outskirts and the perimeter of the offensive zone, skate themselves out, let them get a nothing shot on net. We're going to clear it out. Let them skate themselves into the ground again. To this day,

that shot that hit the crossbar, late in the third period still scares the ever-living hell out of me. I still, anytime I see it, I still somehow get a little nervous just because I feel like it's going to go in, but even though I know it didn't go in, but I still feel like it's for some reason going to go in. That was one of the main other chances that obviously I know the Red Wings had, but yeah, the Penguins were just completely under siege. I do think the Penguins did a good job in that third period of limiting the high danger areas,

but everything for them was red-bond and out. Redlining out. They were not getting to the offensive zone at all during the third period. They were just trying to skyhook the puck out that entire time with how great the Red Wings were. But yeah, that crossbar shot, man, still scares the bejesus out of me all the time. And of course, we would be remissed if we did not mention the biggest storyline between those two Stanley Cups. And it's Marion Hosa. Marion Hosa says, on the record, after leaving the Penguins in 2008 and joining the Red Wings on a one-year deal that he felt he had a better chance to win the Stanley Cup with the Detroit Red Wings.

And you know what the sad part is? We obviously love to laugh about it and give them crap for it. Wasn't really wrong. That was an unreal team when you go through the names on that roster. I mean, you look at it, Pavel Datsu, Henrik Zetterberg, Johann Franzin, Nicholas Lydstrom, Yuri Hoodler, Nicholas Cronwall, Mikkel Samuelson, Dan Cleary, Valtieri, Valtieri, Valtieri, Fupola, Thomas Holmstrom, Chris Draper, just killer after killer after killer. See, we can't really kill Hosa too much now just because he did win three Stanley Cups with the Chicago Blackhawks. And he was such fun to watch in 08, man.

His chemistry with Crosby was through the roof. At times, I wish they still resigned him. But just looking back at it now, obviously, Penguins have the three Stanley Cups. I'm okay that they parted ways. Yeah, it's stung at the time. It gave them the motivation, but all as well, that ends well.

And that will do it for this second segment. When we come back, Game 5 of the Stanley Cup final tonight, Hunter and I are going to give our thoughts on how Edmonton can stay alive or how the Florida Panthers can lift their first Stanley Cup in franchise history. But before we do that,

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I'm Patrick Damp. That's Hunter Hodes. And here we go. We could see the Stanley Cup tonight be awarded in front of as the Florida Panthers are so funny in saying all six of their fans. down in sunrise. They're really owning the memes of having no fans. But we could also see Connor McDavid and the Edmonton Oilers live to fight another day after that 8-1 drubbing in Game 4 in Edmonton. So Hunter, I put it to you, your immediate thoughts, what happens tonight in Game 5?

See, my predictions always suck. So I'm not sure I want to predict the winner here because I feel like the opposite is going to happen. But if I had to guess, I feel like the Panthers are going to end it tonight and win their first Stanley Cup in franchise history. They're going to take that loss to Edmonton in game four. Personally, that's the worst they've played all playoffs long. This has been a juggernaut through and through. Even when they've lost games before that one in the playoffs, they've responded the right way every single time. I think you're going to see that big response game from the Panthers in this one.

I don't think Sergey Brabrovsky is going to have another point. game like you saw in game four. I think Barkov is going to have another big game for the Panthers. As we discussed on Monday, man, it's time for Matthew Gochuk to do something in the series. He's been fairly solid in the first three rounds for the Panthers, but this is done like a final so far. He has not been that good. It's time for him to make life a living hell for the Oilers like he did during his time

with the flames. So I'm curious to see what he can do in this one. I'm also looking for Gustav Foresling to have a big game. He's been great all playoffs long for the Panthers. I think you're going to see a good dose of him against McDavid or Drysidal in this one. So I'm going to go with the Panthers to win this one. But if the opposite happens, I won't be surprised just because of my luck and with how the Oilers played in game four. I'll never complain about having more hockey to watch.

So if Edmonton does win it tonight, you're not going to see me upset about it. That said, I'm right there with you. I don't see a world where Florida doesn't close this out tonight. That said, I can imagine one where Florida doesn't close it out tonight, and it all hinges on the guys between the pipes. I think if Sergey Bobrovsky has another tough start against the Oilers tonight, lets in an early one that really could boost Edmonton's confidence because they had to have been extremely frustrated through three games

because they in no world played poorly, I don't think. Maybe Florida played better, but I don't think Edmonton played poorly. They just couldn't solve Sergei Bavrovsky. And then in game four, they chase them in the first period. If they can get an early one on Bavrovsky, quiet down all six or seven fans in Florida, that might really help them because that is another confidence boost to them to think, all right, we can do this. we made Bobrovsky look human.

We made Bobrovsky think twice about our shooters. But if he comes back as another Bobrovsky game like he's had all playoff long, probably going to be all she wrote for the Edminton Oilers. Right. And it was great that the Oilers debt players really stepped up in that game for when they got things going early in the first period, you know, with Connor Brown, Matias Janmark, Adam Henrique. But I'm not sure.

sure lightning is going to strike twice there with their debt players starting out in game five the way they started out game four i think from the very beginning in this game it has to be edmonton's big guns answering the call a little bit earlier they were great later on in game four dry sidle had his moment mac david had his moment bouchard i felt like was very good hyman had a very good game but it needs to start a lot earlier in this one if the oilers want to send this back to alberta Yeah, and I don't want to get too hot takeish on this because when the history books are written, they will talk about how great Connor McDavid is. So it's not like this is a legacy defining type of final for him, but should he have another transcendent performance tonight and carry this team back to Edmonton, which if they do that, that's really going to place some doubt in Florida's head if there to win tonight. but if he's able to do this and he's able to carry this team back to Edmonton for a game six,

he instantly starts to insert himself into the greatest of all time discussions, because if you're able to will a team that was down 3-0, at the very least, somewhat back up the mountain with a great performance, that does not go unnoticed by the people who write those history books. Oh, I agree. And he is one of the biggest reasons why the Oilers are even here. Him, dry-sidal, Lushard, At home, we can keep going Hyman, Nugent Hopkins. It's those guys, those players are the reason the Oilers are here. Let's see what they can do in this one. But I agree. I mean, he somehow pulls off this incredible comeback and they potentially reverse sweep the Panthers. I don't want to get too far ahead of myself here, Pat,

because they're still down three games to one, but they somehow, some way, find a way to do that. Oh, man, the takes about McDavid, oh, they're going to be something else. And it would be, I mean, he's already going to be, when he's all set and done, he's going to be one of the greatest hockey players this league has ever seen. I mean, without a doubt.

He already is that. But, man, if he's able to somehow pull this off, he'll climb the rankings significantly. He sure will. But let's, like you said, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here. Game 5 tonight, 8 o'clock p.m. from Sunrise, Florida. The Florida Panthers look to win their first Stanley Cup. The Edminton Oilers look to stay alive.

And that'll do it for us on the Tuesday edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. Hunter and I will return on Wednesday with an all-new episode, with any sort of penguins news that may come between now and then, and maybe talking about a new Stanley Cup champion or getting ready for game six of the Stanley Cup final. But for now, for Hunter Hodes, I am Patrick Damp. Thank you, as always for tuning in. And we will talk to you on Wednesday.