Locked On Penguins - Daily Podcast On The Pittsburgh Penguins - How Penguins Head Coach Dan Muse can build off a GREAT first year
Episode Date: August 10, 2026Fresh off a Jack Adams Award nomination, Penguins’ head coach Dan Muse will look to follow up a great rookie season in 2026-27. What will he need to do? Hunter and Patrick discuss that on the Monday... edition after he exceeded all expectations in his debut season. He’ll have to focus a lot on development and getting the most out of some veterans while making his presence more known around the league. (2:20) Then, the Penguins still have a massive logjam at forward as camp inches closer, so how will they make sure they have enough players to stay competitive without losing some veterans for nothing? (14:00) Finally, over the weekend, the Penguins finalized their minor league coaching staffs; they take a look at some of the names who will hopefully be guiding the next generation of Penguins. (24:00) Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! Odoo Great organizations win because operations matter. And that’s why you should get Odoo. Try for free today at https://Odoo.com/lockedon. IndeedNow, you can speed up your hiring process with a $75 Sponsored Job Credit. Just go to https://indeed.com/podcastright now and support our show by saying you heard about Indeed on this podcast. Terms and conditions apply. FanDuel Today's episode is brought to you by FanDuel. Join all the action at https://FANDUEL.COM to play Daily Dingers and make your free pick on who’s hitting a homer this MLB season. FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Dan Muses did one heck of a job as the Penguins head coach in his debut season.
Now, what does it hold for year two?
Pat and I are going to talk about that coming up right after this.
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A bit later on the show, we're going to talk about the minor league teams.
Their coaching staffs have been finalized for the upcoming season.
Penguins also have a ton of forwards and more than last year.
But starting things off, Pat, after you did a great job filling in for Friday for Cindy Crosby's birthday,
I was supposed to be there.
I had a wedding to go to.
Pat just forgot about that for some reason.
That's actually, that's true.
We were getting ready for last week.
And I was like, yeah, we'll just do normal time Friday.
And you were like, hey, idiot, I'm out of town.
And I was like, well, I guess I'm doing it by myself on Friday.
So, yes, what happened.
Exactly.
My best friend Doug got married.
Congratulations to you, Doug.
I was a groomsman in the wedding.
He'll be a groomsman in mine in a couple of months.
Very exciting times.
I am going away a bit later on this week as well.
But don't worry, Pat and I have a full plan in place.
So we know solo episodes at the end of the week.
And heck, I'll be recording on Monday.
even though I'll be at the beach.
This is my final beach vacation of the summer before I come back and really full steam
ahead for the season ahead, even though, Pat, I'll be on my honeymoon for the California
road trip in November.
That'll be fun, though.
You'll get to be solo for a lot of that week.
But that's still three months down the line.
We have plenty of time before that point.
But let's get into the meat of today's episode, which is obviously, Dan Mews did such
a great job with the penguins during the 25, 26 season.
First time an initial head coach, he had experience as an assistant.
for multiple teams. He's been a head coach in some lower levels of hockey. He's done a great job
developing younger players, but we still knew he was an unknown going into the shop. He had
never worked in the NHL as a head coach, but you quickly realized that he was more than ready
for this job. The penalty kill was outstanding under him. The power play was outstanding under him.
Multiple players had career years under him, including Anthony Mantha. Heck, Eric Carlson
had the best penguin season of his tenure since the penguins acquired him.
He was fantastic.
Evgeny Malkin was over point per game.
Justin Broseau was lighting the league on fire, especially in the first half of the season.
He did such a great job with Ben Kindle.
Pat, I can keep going down the list when it comes to how great of a job Dan Mus did with the team.
I think his in-game adjustments were also pretty sound throughout the year.
I still wanted him to call time out sometimes when the team was faltering.
but that's something that you can learn a little bit more going into year two, more on that in a second.
But I thought his line combinations, especially the ones that really hit were great.
Everything that he touched, it felt like turned to gold.
Now, how does he follow that up in year two?
I think, you know, it's really doing those same things with the special teams units.
If you want to incorporate some new faces on there, that's totally fine, like something like
Andre Kuzmenko, for example, in PowerPlay 2.
you know, number two, again, continuing to do more with the endgame stuff.
Again, I like his endgame adjustments, but I also do want to see him get a more aggressive
if the team is faltering out of the gate.
Call that time out, grill into the team a little bit.
And that was also something you didn't really see too often during year one.
He was very calm, cool, and collected behind the bench.
You never really saw him get too annoyed with the team.
There were sometimes where he would.
That's something where now that you're going into year two,
If this team is having like a night where it's completely unacceptable,
I want to see him really lay into them on the bench or potentially after the game.
Like you saw him a bit annoyed, but I kind of want to see more of that fire aspect.
It was just a couple things.
I'm going to get into more of them in just a second.
But Pat, what do you want to see more out of damn news this season?
Something I want to build off of what you just said.
And it's something I thought of when we were getting ready for today's show,
getting ready to do this segment about Muse,
is I was also on that train last year
if I wanted there to be a couple moments,
not a lot.
I didn't want him to become John Tortorella
and freak out at the drop of a hat.
But then thinking about it,
obviously with the benefit of hindsight,
I think last year,
especially as well as it went,
was kind of him building up a reserve of goodwill.
It was him basically giving himself cover for this coming year.
If he does have a moment where he wants to freak,
or he wants to come down hard on them.
He's got enough goodwill in the bank to be able to do that next season.
Last year, especially if it would have happened early,
it probably would have come off as disingenuous,
especially with a roster littered with legends
and guys who have had respectable NHL careers,
that he would have kind of looked foolish.
A lot of those guys probably would have gone,
who the hell are you, to do this to us.
Next year, or this coming year, I should say,
A little more established, a bit more of a track record.
Still not going to be able to do it a lot.
He's going to have to pick and choose spots.
But I do think that is now something that can get added into his toolbox after a good first season.
Something I really want to see him do in this also is more something that management is going to have to help him out with.
We saw what a good job he did with Ben Kindle last year.
None of us thought Ben Kendall was going to make the team.
let alone be the third line center for the majority of the season.
So that was really surprising.
And I thought he did a really good job of putting him in spots to develop as the year continued.
He was getting more responsibility as the year went on.
The more he looked comfortable, the more he put on his plate.
He didn't rush him in.
He didn't throw him into the deep waters right away.
But I need to see him do that with more players.
I need to see your Rutger McGority's get a run.
I need to see Villei Kovinen get a run.
I need to see Avery Hayes get a run.
There's a couple of other guys in Wilkes-Bair that I would like to see for some stretches this year.
But we'll get more into that in our second segment.
His work with Kovinen is something I'm really curious about.
Just sign that massive contract, eight years.
How do you work with him going into this season after the management staff?
have just made a huge commitment to him term-wise.
That's going to be something I'm really fascinated to see what he does this year.
But this is what we were told Dan Mews specializes in.
And there's no doubt that he does.
Ben Kindle is the shining example.
But now there needs to be more.
There needs to be more than just Kindle.
There needs to be more than just Chinikov.
Someone like Brunich has to be part of this.
A couple of other, even though goetting is voodoo, Sergey Murashav.
He needs to know when to let him go, when to let him, when to pull.
them back and sit them out for a little bit.
And I need to see him do more of that because as we know,
this franchise is still without its next cornerstone.
We've obviously still got the big boys here for a little bit,
but you want to make sure if and when you get that cornerstone,
you have other complimentary players who are ready to step into more full-time roles.
And it's going to be incumbent upon Dan Mews to develop some of these younger players.
The other thing that I really want to do.
want to see him do going into next season.
And it's another thing that is out of his control.
Is he finally going to be allowed into the fraternity?
Because the Penguins in no world last year got screwed by officiating.
But there were a lot of moments where there were some questionable things that didn't go
their way.
And it really felt as if the NHL was telling Dan Mews, you're new here.
you don't get the benefit of the doubt.
We're not going to help you out.
I know that that's out of his control,
but to kind of go full circle with everything that I'm talking about in this segment,
if he's got to throw some sticks on the ice or have an absolute meltdown on the bench
just to embarrass some of the officiating,
I would not be upset with him for doing that because he genuinely,
whether it was challenges, whether it was non-calls,
he got shafted last year.
year. Yeah, and I do think a good chunk of that was the inconsistency around the NHL where, oh,
this team gets it this way, then another team gets it this way, and then you're just, you really
weren't seeing that consistency. So I think from that perspective, it was super annoying. And then
with Damn News, again, did a great job, but I would want to see him call the officials over and
really just lay into them. Like, you saw him really be cool and calm when he would call them over,
just have a conversation.
It wasn't like Mike Sullivan
where you would see Sully just really give it
to the officials, especially Garrett Rank.
I mean, he absolutely couldn't stand them.
You saw every time Garrett Rank,
I feel like would ref a Penguin game,
Mike Sullivan would just be on fumes
every single time he'd come over.
So I don't need him to go fully,
Sully or fully John Torrella,
but a little bit more of that fire
when something potentially goes wrong.
You brought up his work with Chinakov.
I completely agree,
especially with the way that he played in the second half of the season,
rewarding him for the way that he was playing.
Even for Rucker McGority, he's going to at least have a chance to do something this
camp in preseason.
How does he keep developing him?
That's something big for me as we go into year two.
We've talked about Billy Covenin.
Avery Hayes is the same way.
Hell, he burst onto the scene in only 16 games last year,
scored five goals.
You saw that his development took a step forward.
Does it take another step during camp and preseason,
and potentially during.
the regular season, if he's able to at least get some games in, even though there's a lot of
forwards right now, that's something that we can discuss as well. Declan Carlisle, that is someone
who I really want to see him develop even more, played half a season last year with the Lightning.
How does he do with him?
Cating Corsack, how does he help him take the next step in his career after having a pretty
good regular season with the Vegas Golden Knights?
So a lot of new faces, a lot of returning faces.
How does he do with all these respective players, especially after so many.
players last year played so freaking well for the penguins. So a lot of that is what I'm looking
to see for year two. Special teams wise, I want to see that same success. We knew going in that
Dan Mews had a really good penalty killing unit. We saw that during the entire regular season
and into the playoffs as well. Power play. It improved in some facets. It went downhill a little
bit in the playoffs, though albeit a short sample size. How does that happen for a year two? Or how does it
continue to improve in year two, I should say.
That's another thing that I'm going to keep my eye on as well.
So a lot of things that Pat and I are looking forward to in terms of Damuse's second
year.
We're both really excited, especially after how well he did in year one, very much deserving
the finalist nominee for the Jack Adams.
But that's going to do it for our first segment coming up in the second segment.
In case you haven't heard, the penguins have a ton of forwards on the roster right now.
What does that mean going into camp?
Well, Pat and I are going to talk about that coming up.
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All right, we're back here on the Monday edition of the Lockdown Penguins podcast.
I'm one of your host, Hunter Hodeys, joined by my host, Patrick Damp.
And Pat, they have at least 15 forwards, not counting some of the other younger pieces.
They're going to try to make their way onto this team.
team. Cindy Crosby, Igor Chinokov, Evgen Malkin, Brian Rust, Rickel, Andre Kuzmankoz,
Billy Coivinen, Tommy Novak, Nick Robertson, Connor, Duer, Blake Lazot, Justin Brzo,
Hendr, Hendricks, Lapp here, Emerald Obama and Benjamin Kindle. Again, Pat, that's 15, and that's before we
even get to Ruppner McGrody, 16. That's before we get to Avery Hayes at 17.
Tristan Bros, if you want to include him at 18. I can keep going down the list. Hell, if he is
healthy and he's medically cleared. Philip Hollander gets us almost to 20 there as well.
Time will tell what happens with him. He's got to be medically clear just because he's going through
the blood clots. But we're almost up to 20 forwards there, man. And you and I both thought that
there was a pretty big log jam last year. This year exceeds that tenfold. Because especially now
after the Ville-Choevenin extension, and I didn't really get to say this on the last episode I was
on, it feels like it's even more likely now that we're going to see some sort of
trade before the start of the season at the end of September.
I understand they also extended Tommy Novak.
They are high on the player.
They want him here for the foreseeable future.
But now they have extended Goyven.
I see someone like still Justin Roseau that could be on the trade market.
You know, I go up and down here, Pat.
Otherwise, I'm not really sure who else you're moving.
I guess if you want to include one of Brian Russell, Ricardo, like, y'all, I mean, we kind of have to,
just because they've been involved in.
so many rumors of the past couple of years.
But really other than those, you know, one to three players,
don't think anyone else of these forwards is getting moved right now.
Well, I said this, or you said this, I should say,
when we were writing and getting ready for today's episode,
this is the Joker scene from the pool hall in the dark night.
They're, they have, they are having tryouts.
And here's the way I have it written down in my note.
Break the pool stick.
Let's have trials.
And they're ready for aggressive expansion, but there's only one spot available.
Because here's how I have this written down in my notes.
You have 11 locks at forward in my estimation.
Rust, Crosby, Raquel, Chinikov, Malkin, Novak, Kuzmenko, Kindle, Robertson, Lazot, and Dewar.
Those 11, I imagine, barring injury, barring trade.
those are your opening night 11 forwards.
Your should slash coulds make the team, three forwards.
Justin Briseau, Elmer Soder Blom, and Hendricks-Lapierre.
Those three are going to be battling for one spot.
And then you brought them all up.
Coivinen, Magrorty, Hayes, Bros.
I do think with Hollander, if he is medically cleared,
if he's able to return, I wouldn't
be shocked to see him down in the
HL for a while to get his
legs back under him because
I doubt one
he was way behind as it was
because of the blood clot
and then
he was also
he also has not had game speed
so he has to get
himself back up to game speed
the only way you can do that is play games
so the way I look at this hunter
they're going to have to make a move
because there are a lot of players
on this list who aren't going to make the opening night roster,
they're going to have to get waived.
And we are in a rising salary cap world
where a lot of teams have a lot of cap space.
So it's not going to be like years prior
where we can put them through waivers,
chances are we'll be fine,
these teams are up against it,
we're not at risk for losing them.
This is a year where you could lose a Justin Brazo,
you could lose an Elmer Sauter Blumming.
excuse me, and get nothing in return.
So it is going to be incumbent upon Kyle Dubus and his team to either find a spot for these guys
or get something in return because there is pretty much one spot available for
seven to eight forwards.
Yeah, in terms of someone playing every night, yes, though you have the 13th forward option
where that player can come in for someone every few games.
something like that. That one is also going to be very much up for grabs as well.
And who knows, maybe they keep 14 forwards going into the season.
They only keep seven defensemen and then two goalies.
I'm just bitballing because teams do weird configurations each time during the camp of preseason.
I also should say, like that like just because of the season is starting earlier,
I don't think camp is going to be as long this year.
Just like when you think about it, you have the prospects challenge, I think, coming up,
September 12th, camp I think starts that week.
I don't know what day, but I would assume camp starts that week.
And then you really help me have, what, a week to 10 days for your first preseason game?
And from then on, it's just a sprint to the shortened preseason
until the start of the season in Philadelphia,
meaning you're not going to get as many opportunities to really show the coaching staff
what you're made of.
I think really it's those few preseason games
are going to carry more weight than before just because I have a feeling camp's not going to be as long this year.
I don't think it is either. And I also think to that end, you are probably not going to see guys like Sid,
guys like Gino, Carlson, et cetera, et cetera.
Don't get like one dress rehearsal. Otherwise, it's going to be all these players gunning for spots in these roster battles.
That's what it's going to meet.
It wouldn't shock me if those guys, honestly, you know what I, you know what,
that I think of it, the way that you put it, I think it's going to be a bit of both.
I think you'll see them scattered throughout all three preseason games, but it's not going to,
I don't think it's going to be like years prior where the preseason finale is your dress
rehearsal and you're basically playing all of your regulars and two or three of your bubble guys.
I think it's going to be the fact that most night on those nights, you're just going to see
like, okay, Sid's in this night, and then Gino's in the next night.
and then Carlson's in the next night.
Because they're going to have a lot of decisions to make,
especially at Forward,
to where,
yeah,
I don't need to see what Brian Rust can do in a late or mid-September preseason game.
I don't need to see what Rickel can do.
I know what he can do.
And it's going to be a good battle,
but at the risk of making this segment last too long,
here's the other thing that the Penguins are running into.
And I understand they're not Stanley Cup contenders.
They're not aiming to win the Stanley Cup.
in 2027, but it is good that there are going to be camp battles.
It is good that there are going to be a lot of guys battling one another to get one or two
spots at forward.
The other side of that, though, this isn't exactly a heavily talented group of people
battling one another.
So at some point, and I say this not in a negative way,
I say it in just looking at the reality of it, Muse, Dubis, Pridum,
Spetsa, they're going to have to find a way to polish some turds and sell them on other GMs that,
hey, this is a good piece for your roster.
You should send us something back.
Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say, polish some turds.
I think maybe just pump the tires a little bit because these players, I think are fine enough.
I just wouldn't go that far.
Bad damn, just do it a little bit of a disservice there a little bit.
But I think, you know, they still need more quality is probably what you're also trying to say.
Yeah.
But so then like I look at this and it's like, okay, obviously we've done it to death.
Russ, Raquel, Novak, they're all good trade candidates that'll probably get you a medium return.
Well, I wouldn't say Novak now because he just extended, but.
But at one point or another, it's going to be a very good contract, especially value-wise.
Brazil and Soderblum, they might not get you much, but they can get you a return and release some of this pressure.
And then maybe on their own, Magrorty or Hayes, I don't want to move them, but if they're part of a bigger deal and they're a throw,
in peace to it. You can talk me into that, but on their own, they're probably not bringing you a lot
back. And then obviously, you're not trading Sid, you're not trading Gino, you're not trading
Chinikov, you're not trading Ben Kindle. And this one's going to raise some eyebrows, but you're also
not trading Vela Kovinen, unless it's like the other guys where I said he's part of a larger deal.
But I say that because you just signed him to an eight-year deal. And that has nothing to do with him.
it has nothing to do with the deal.
It has everything to do with if you're a UFA or a person that gets traded to the penguins
and you see a guy who just signed an eight-year deal get traded months after,
you're going to look sideways at that organization.
Yeah, I don't think anything regarding covenin and trade-wise is happening for at least a bit.
Like, you just signed it to that massive extension.
So, yeah, throwing that out.
If anything happens with that, I think it's a couple years.
down the line if he's not living up to that contract, which again, very distinct possibility.
We talked about that last week.
But time will tell on what happens before the start of the regular season, but I still expect
at least one player, maybe more moved before the start of the regular season.
Could be wrong, but that's kind of my expectation right now.
But that's going to do it for our second segment.
Coming up to end the show, Pat and I are going to spend a few minutes on the minor league coaching
staffs named for the Wilkes-Rasgrant Penguins and the Florida Everblades.
And that's coming up right after this.
All right, we're back here on the Monday edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast.
I'm one of your host, Hunts for Hodes, joined by my co-Patch, Patrick Damp and Pat.
Just recently, the Penguins officially announced the coaching staffs on Sunny Crossey's birthday,
that is, the coaching staffs for Wilkesbury, and then the Everblades, of course,
the new ECHL affiliate of the Penguins.
Now, the head coach GM of the Everblades is Brad Ralph.
This will be his 11th season behind the bench.
As you'll know, he has won four Kelly Cup championships.
in his last five seasons.
He has been insane as the head coach,
and he's also done a really good job as the GM.
Kyle Mountain is the assistant coach,
and then the goaltening coach is Anthony Boutricho.
I believe that's how you pronounce his last name, Pat.
I apologize if I butchered it,
but that is the coaching staff for the Everblades.
And then Wilkesbury, obviously Kirk McDonald is coming back for another season.
He did a great job with Wilkesbury this past year,
got them within two wins of getting to the Calder Cup final.
They lost to the Marleys in the Eastern Conference final.
He did a really nice job with a lot of the young Penguins prospects, including Mikhail Aaliyan,
Bill Zonin, Harrison Brunick, Sergei Muroshov, Yoel Blumquist, Avery Hayes.
We can keep going down the list.
He did a really nice job.
You have Brad Malone coming back as an assistant coach.
Evan McFeeders is coming back as an assistant coach.
Ryan Lennon is the video coach, and there's a few other coaches in there as well.
Carol Popper is the goaltending coach.
So, Pat, coaching staffs fully finalized for Wilkesbury and Florida.
Your thoughts.
No brainer for both the head coaches.
You brought up how good that Brad Ralph has been with the Everblades.
They are the most successful modern ECHL team.
I know it doesn't totally work this way in the minors because guys are looking to move up.
Guys are looking for other opportunities.
But it feels like Ralph has taken himself to the spot with the Everblades of.
He is the Everblades head coach until he no longer.
wants to be the Everblades head coach.
Right.
He's done that well.
As for Kirk McDonald, this, this is a guy who, if I'm the Penguins organization,
I'm keeping him happy as best I can because he has done a phenomenal job with the baby
penguins, not just last year with the long run, but he has done a really good job at getting
some players ready for the next level and making them viable options.
for the next level.
And on top of that,
keeping the baby penguins competitive.
Because you and I both know,
when the Crosby-Malkin era began,
for the first couple years,
you did get a few people from Wilkes-Barre
because it was a lot of young guys.
It was a lot of the rebuild coming up from Wilkes-Bair.
In the years after that, say, like, the early 2010s,
there wasn't a lot there.
Wilkes-Bair wasn't very talented.
You got a couple bumps here and theirs.
We got to the mid-2010s with the 16 and 17 teams.
Your Connor Sherry's, Brian Rusts, and Jake Gensel,
a couple of those guys.
But on the whole, on the whole, Wilkes-Barre still wasn't that great.
McDonald has done a good job as this team has only recently begun to rebuild its
prospect pool, both developing these guys and keeping the baby penguins in the
hunt. So that is a absolute no-brainer and a guy who I would keep happy as long as you can because
at one point, if he keeps doing this well with Wilkes-Barre, other organizations, especially
NHL teams, might start calling. Hell, not even maybe just other organizations. Maybe the Penguins
will feel at some point, Pat, that he is ready for a promotion to the NHL team. And then he's potentially
an assistant coach behind the bench. And then who knows, maybe there's a future where,
he could be the head coach that's, you know, well down the line of the penguins.
But, you know, you see teams all the time around the league know that, hey, we have a really good minor league head coach of our HL team.
Let's promote him up to the NHL team because we know that other teams are going to come calling to post him for their staffs.
So I could very well see a world where the penguins maybe get a little bit spooked about that and be like, hey, we're going to bring you up to the NHL bench because we feel you have deserved it.
they go out there and get someone else to coach bookspere at some point but so far i know it's been
a short tenure though pat he has done a phenomenal job and i'm excited to see what he can do for another
season in 26 27 and then i agree with you for it with brad ralph that's his job until he doesn't want
it anymore four championships in five years kind of gets you a blank check and also a situation where
i'll quit when i want to quit i've already won four championships in the last five years
you're not going to fire me.
So unless Florida completely nosedives at some point under his watch,
he's there until he no longer wants to be.
Like you said,
you win four and five.
You're pretty good at what you do.
Yeah.
You have a blank check down there for really whatever salary you want in the ECHL.
But that is going to do it for the Monday edition of the locked on penguins podcast.
Thank you all so much for taking the time to listen to.
slash watch this one. Pat and I will be back with a fresh episode for you all on Wednesday discussing
any new news and any other topics writing to the Penguins. And then we'll be back a bit later
on this week to close it out on Friday with another episode of this podcast. So for Patrick
Damp, I am Hunts for Hodes. Thank you all so much for tuning in. We appreciate it. We'll be back on
Wednesday.
