Locked On Penguins - Daily Podcast On The Pittsburgh Penguins - How will Ben Kindel play for the Penguins in year 2?

Episode Date: July 24, 2026

After a sensational rookie campaign, how will forward Ben Kindel follow it up in his sophomore season? (1:30) Hunter and Patrick begin the show with a question in a full Fan Take Friday episode! A listener asks if they’re worried about regression in year two for forward Ben Kindel, and what the expectations are for him. Then, do the boys think they could rebuild the Vancouver Canucks, lead the Toronto Maple Leafs back to the Stanley Cup, or help build an expansion team in…Hawaii? (11:50) Finally, were the Penguins actually in on Jason Robertson or was this more of a leverage play from his camp? (20:12) Everydayer ClubIf you never miss an episode, it’s time to make it official. Join the Locked On Everydayer Club and get ad-free audio, access to our members-only Discord, and more — all built for our most loyal fans. Click here to learn more and join your team’s community: https://lockedonpodcasts.com/everydayerclub Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! FanDuel Today's episode is brought to you by FanDuel. Join all the action at https://FANDUEL.COMto play Daily Dingers and make your free pick on who’s hitting a homer this MLB season.   OdooGreat organizations win because operations matter. And that’s why you should get Odoo. Try for free today at https://Odoo.com/lockedon.  IndeedNow, you can speed up your hiring process with a $75 Sponsored Job Credit. Just go to https://indeed.com/podcastright now and support our show by saying you heard about Indeed on this podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Pittsburgh Penguins Ford, Ben Kendall, had an amazing rookie season this past year, but what are some realistic expectations for him going into year two? Pat and I are going to discuss that coming up right after this. You're Locked-on Penguins, your daily podcast on the Pittsburgh Penguins, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Hello and welcome back to the Friday edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. I'm one of your host, Hunters-Hodies. You can follow me on Twitter at Hunter Hodes. Joined by my co-st, Patrick Damp, you can follow him on all social media platforms at Sin and Verwet.

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That's O-D-O-O-O-O-com slash locked-on. A bit later on in the show, we're going to go through a pretty crazy hypothetical from a past fan-take-Friday comment. And then also in the final segment, we're going to do a bit more of your comments from today's edition of Fan Take Friday. But, Pat, we didn't have one that we want to start with for the first segment. And it's about Ben Kendall. It was actually a really cool comment here from Stereo Penguin's, 66 today. And he says, everyone seems to be worried that Will Horcough's last season, college was a fluke. And if he can repeat that going into his sophomore season,

are you concerned the same way about Ben Kendall now that teams have tape on him, tape on him, excuse me, could we see him regress? Honestly, I think you're going to see Kendall take another step forward this coming season. 17 goals, 35 points last year, blew everyone away with what he did during the regular season. And yeah, I know. He hit a wall in the playoffs. He has never played that many games before in a season. It was only natural that he was going to hit a wall at some point. That was not a concern for me at all. A lot of the Penguin players struggled in that series against Philadelphia. Let's be real here. But even though Kendall did, I'm not too concerned. I think realistically for next season, Pat, if he can hit 45, 50 points for

year two, I'm talking, you know, 20 goals, 25 assists, hell even 25 goals. 25 assists for around 50 points in the 42 game season, I would gladly take that from him in years. So I know pet some people will be like, well, that's only 10 to 15 more points. Guys, I'll take that for development. I mean, he's already well ahead of where everyone thought he was going to be going into this season as it is. So I would gladly take over half a point per game from him next season. I don't think he is going to regress. So I'm going to split the difference a little bit between what you said and what the commenter is bringing up. And it's part of the mantra that we've kind of lived by with the penguins for the last

year and a half. And that's to remember that development is not linear. Now, I have seen nothing in Ben Kindle's game, even when he quote unquote slowed down at the end of the year and into the playoffs. Like you said, I attribute that a lot more to fatigue than I do his game. That was head and shoulders above the amount of hockey he's played in his career. And not only is it that, it's NHL hockey in the race to the playoffs. That's next to maybe the Olympics, the most intense form of hockey you can play on earth. So that's going to take its full on anybody. But I do think that we could potentially see a regression from him next year. And it's less that he's not developing. It's not to say that he's not going to be good.

It is, with the exception of a lot of the top tier blue chip superstars, not uncommon to see a player like Ben Kindle to fall down a little bit in his second year. Now, Again, the way he plays the game and the type of player that he is, I would be shocked if he deeply regressed. I wouldn't be surprised. And this is kind of where I'm going to land on it. If we see a lot of the same from him next year, because he's not an offensive juggernaut. Granted, he did really well in juniors. He was a solid offensive player, but a reminder that is juniors. And even though that kind of contradicts my, hey, almost 100 points is almost 100 points the way you, no matter which way you cut it, but we're talking three levels,

maybe four levels up from juniors if you count the NCAA, the ECHL, the AHL, and then the NHL. But he is a very smart, very disciplined hockey player. He's a responsible two-way centerman. He thinks the game really well. He sees the game. the game really well. It may just be a bit of a struggle for him to put up points. Just A, that's the type of game he plays. And I imagine with Dan Mews and the rest of the coaching staff having more trust in him next year after having a full season under his belt, he may get deployed in some more defensive situations to where maybe they get hemmed in their zone for a little bit or maybe they don't get on the attack as soon as you would like. And it might lead to drop off in points. But I do

think his overall game is going to increase and get better next year. You'll see him in some more high leverage defensive situations, wouldn't be surprised to see him utilized more on the penalty kill. And I think the main thing to keep in mind with Ben Kendall going into next year is don't get too obsessed with the counting stats. You know, if he doesn't put up 20 goals, 45-50-ish points, that doesn't necessarily mean he regressed. It may just mean that he played a more two-way game. He was a little bit more of a defensive specialist, so to speak, for the penguins. But the thing I will say to end my mini tangent here is keep in mind that he is a two-way

player. He's a very good 200-foot player. So his offensive output may not be great, but I suspect. he is going to be a very reliable defensive two-way presence for the penguins for the foreseeable future. Yeah, I mean, and he can play in any situation too. He can play top nine minutes. I still have him as the third line center entering next season. I think it's still probably a little too soon to have him be the two-see, Pat, but I do think the time is coming when they are going to give him a shot to be the second-line center on the penguins. But as it stands right now, they saw Tommy Novak on the roster. I'd expect him to be the two-sie.

and then still have Ben Kendall as the 3C with we'll have to see who his linemates are. I'd assume right now Nick Robertson will be one of them, maybe Andre Kuzmanko as well. You'll also see other players probably rotate in and out of this line at some point, Elmer Soder Blom as an example, but he is going to get at least some new linemates for next season. It's going to be exciting because someone like Kuzmenko, he has a history of putting the puck in the back of net. Same thing with Nick Robertson, especially this past season having a career year. and with Kindle as a really good playmaker, I do think, again, that would be a pretty solid fit.

And you brought up the counting stats. It also could be pat that maybe he goes snake button and the finishing is just not there. We've seen that for plenty of players over the years where they're having good seasons. The puck is just simply not going in the back of the net just because they have bad luck. I also do think you bring up the likes of Robertson and Kuzmanko.

Having two players like that on his line may actually help his counting stats because, because Kuzmanko for a few seasons showed he was pretty darn good at putting the puck in the net. And you look at some of Kuzmenko's best years, it was with Peterson. And for as good as Pedersen was a few years ago offensively, we've said it on the show. A vastly underrated part of Pedersen's game, especially when he was at his peak, was that he was a good two-way centerman. He wasn't just an offensive force.

He was good in all three zones. And outside of the offense, that's a pretty apt description of Ben Kendall. He's obviously not to the level Pedersen was a few years ago. But the fact that he's got a good first pass and he's good defensively and can help on the breakout, maybe that also does lead to some offense for him having players like Robertson and Kuzmenko with him, if that ends up being the line. That's fair. And then, you know, special teams, I'd expect him on power.

play too he's probably going to get some power play one minutes especially if a player or two gets hurt on that unit and has to miss some time but i feel like for the most part he's going to get pp two minutes and then he's definitely going to get quite a few pk minutes and rightfully so he's one of the best two-way players on this one of the best two-way forwards at least definitely on this but we probably should say best two-way overall players too just considering how good he was last year and now he'll have a full annual offseason workout regimen that's going to pay huge evidence for him and you saw his comment at the end of game six he was the player that iced the puck right before cam yorke's wasn't able to win that draw and he is vowing he even said patty he doesn't want that to ever happen again

and you know i'm excited to see what he can do in year two i don't think he's going to fully regress i think he is going to be better next year in my opinion those are my main thoughts on ben kendall but i think that's going to do it for our first segment coming up in the second segment Pat and I have a pretty cool hypothetical that we're going to discuss because this comes from a past fan take Friday comment and we figured we would talk about it today to end the month of July. And that's coming up right after this. But before we get to that, we have to tell you all about our first sponsor, which is Indeed. Support for today's episode comes from Indeed's sponsor jobs. When Workplace Chaos hits and you need the right hire, Indeed's sponsor jobs helps connect employers with candidates who match specific needs like skills, certifications, and locations. so less time get spent searching and more time get spent finding the right fit. People are finding quality hires on Indeed right now. And in the minute that I've been talking to you, companies like yours have made 27 hires on Indeed, according to Indeed data worldwide.

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Terms and conditions apply need to hire. This is the job for Indeed's sponsor jobs. All right. We're back here on the Friday edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. I'm one of your host, Hans, or Hodies, joined by my co-host, Patrick Damp, And Pat, I want you to really kick this one off because you sent this one to me today. And I've been excited to talk about it. So the floor is yours.

So we got this question about a month ago. And we kind of kept it in the hopper because it was a fun one. And we knew that we'd get to this point, especially in July, where there's not a ton of news. And we can only talk about the draft picks and previews before we even know what the team's going to look like. So from Landon Bartels about a month ago, we've been waiting to pull this one out. Like I said, he asks, this is a fun question for the both of you. If you had to pick between these three options, what would you choose if you were to be the GM of the following? One, the current Vancouver Canucks, but you have five years to win the Stanley Cup or you're fired.

Two, the current Toronto Maple Leafs, but you are not allowed to extend or trade Austin, Matthews. And three, an expansion team in Honolulu, Hawaii, but you have to travel to every away game. So for number three, I'm going to put a little bit of an asterisk on this one. I'm guessing the original comment means every time the team's on a road trip, you have to go with them. You don't get to stay in Hawaii rather than,

you're playing 84 games on the road because the NHL would never allow that. Also, something to keep in mind, the NHL is trying to set up shop in Europe here soon. So keep an eye on that. But that's a discussion for a later day. If I'm looking at this one, my answer is probably Toronto. Because I look at Toronto's roster. And you've got Austin Matthews for the next two years. And you've got Austin Matthews signed to a pretty good deal for $13.25 million with where the salary cap is going.

And you look at their cap projections. They're not great. But they've got just about everybody you'd want locked up for the next two years. And everybody that you're getting rid of or that you can move is movable. and between having Sergey Bobrovsky coming into this season, you've got Darren Radish, you've got Jake McCabe, Chris Hanove if he plays, and this is a roster that I think has potential to win.

Now, I don't know if they will because it's Toronto. And you've also got Gavin McKenna coming up. And from all accounts, Gavin McKenna is going to be ready to play in the end. NHL. So I think given the roster they have, they don't have a ton of constraints. They don't have a ton of cap space. But the other side of that is they have a lot of really movable deals. So you could free up cap space and you can get assets and you can make swings. I think of those three options. Toronto is probably the one that you got the most potential to do.

that said living in Hawaii would be pretty pretty sweet yeah i mean i understand your logic for the toronto one i just would not want to deal with that i wouldn't want to deal with the fans there the media especially it's just too much for both cases and you know i don't think that's working out for me for two years you can't extend him you can't trade him i'm good on that it really came down to vancouver or hawaii because yeah i mean living in hawaii year-round and you just have to go on all those away games, sign me up. But you know what, Pat, give me a really big challenge. Let me be the GM of the Canucks.

That's a beautiful city, by the way. I've always wanted to go to Vancouver. It's gorgeous. Give me a huge challenge. Let me try to make them into a cup contender in five years. Yeah, I know. I have the whole, I'm going to be fired in five years, kind of hanging over me if I don't lead them to a Stanley Cup.

But, hey, man, that's a very passionate fan base. It's a great hockey team. It's a beautiful city in general. I've always wanted to visit Vancouver. Give me that challenge. I'm going to say it. Screw it. I'll say this too because for me it was between Toronto and Vancouver.

I mean, given the way that the NHL has kind of figured out how to counter expansion now, I don't think you're going to get a Vegas style expansion, even if you are in Honolulu. But five years for Vancouver to become a contender, I don't think is out of the question either because they've not only got a ton of cap space now. They're only, they don't have, also don't have a ton of long term commitments. And the ones that they do aren't terrible. Philip Hronick on defense, I'm good with that. He's the longest signed defenseman.

You look at the forward group, Pedersen. I mean, either you can move him for a hall or you can just move them and be done with it. But then you have He wants to go because I don't think he wants to go anywhere right now. But you also have Brock Besser. You've got Jake DeBrusk. And then after that, I mean, after this year, Philippeal, UFA,

Brennan Gallagher, UFA, Drew O'Connor, UFA, Paul Carter, UFA. Yeah. And there's a lot of room. I mean, if you're Vancouver, if you're, if you're Vancouver right now, it's bleak in the immediate. It's bleak right now.

But there is a very obvious path for this team to get back to being something of competitive and maybe even into a contender. Because much like our penguins, you look at their draft capital, they have got a lot of picks over the next three years. And you can either use that and get some talent or you can use it to move it out and bring an NHL ready talent. So I get your point in saying you want the challenge, but I look at Vancouver and they're not quite a blank slate, but there's potential there and there's a lot of routes you can go. It's still close to it. I'd be really banking on year four and year five. Like I don't think it's going to happen in the first three years. I think I would be banking on a year four, year five, trying to win that Stanley Cup before I'd be potentially fired. But it's a challenge.

I'd go for that one. people may think I'm crazy, but that's how I feel about that personal hypothetical. But that's going to do it for our second segment. Coming up to end the show, we're going to get into more takes, more questions from Fan Sake Friday because Pat had to continue more Jason Roberts and stuff for Fan's sake Friday. I don't know why. He's already signed a contract in Dallas, but Pat, I think, is just a sicko at this point from Jason Robertson content.

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Jason Robertson pull up there and you asked, was the Robertson stuff real or was it leverage? Also drop any questions, comments, or hot takes in the comment section below. 64% of voters said the Penguins were in on him. The other 36 think it was leveraged for Robertson against Dallas. We got some good comments about this. One comes from John here. He says, I am torn on this question because I think Robertson realized other teams want him.

But I do think the Penguins felt it would make a good story if they were able to pull this off. I do agree. I think it would have been a really good story just because he would have been reunited with his brother and he would have gone to a team that has wanted him for basically over a year now. He says, my concern, those that the penguins are kind of in between team, they're trying to make it work with an aging core. It's trying to build up the future at the same time. And while you would want a player like Robinson on your team, the cost of what that

would may look like is something to consider. I mean, yeah. Pat and I talked a lot about that on the show where this would have to be a trade that you would make on your terms, but that was probably not going to be reality just because of, you know, Dallas has the player. they want to sign the player. Robertson wants to stay in Dallas. So the only way this was going to work is if both sides were just not going to bend before that arbitration hearing.

And that didn't happen. And also, Kyle Dubas is not trading Ben Kindle and that deal for Jason Robertson. I don't think he's trading soul like Sergey Murshov either. So those are my main thoughts on that. But, you know, John's comment, I agree with. It was for me, and I know you're giving me grief for more Robertson content, but it was more of just a thought I had after we did our last show of, you know, it was an angle that I didn't think got explored as much. And granted, he was an RFA. Dallas had his rights and he had his arbitration rights. And that pretty much, even in this age where we're seeing a rising salary cap and a lot more place. player empowerment. He's still pretty boxed in on what's going to happen. But at the end of the day, that is one of the levers I do think that he had against Dallas was, look, there are teams that

covet me. There are teams that want me. And it's up to you whether or not you're going to pay me or if you're going to have to trade me and send me somewhere else. And I don't think that's a fault of him. I don't think it's a fault of Kyle Dubus and the Penguins or even the Dallas Stars. It was just a tool in the toolbox. And I kind of disagree with the, oh, the penguins are in between and trying to make work with an aging core. That, like the statement itself is fair and true. But as I have said on the show, I think that is also a 1,000 foot. I don't cover the penguins every single day view.

by a lot of national pundits because yeah, they still have Sid, they still have Gino, they still have Carlson, they still have Latang, but they're not blocking anyone. It's not as if the penguins are holding on to these guys and telling younger players get the hell out of the way or stay the hell out of the way. These guys are still here. We're going to win with them. Part of the reason that they can keep the big names is they don't have anyone to replace them yet. And I know a bunch of people say, well, it means because they haven't been able to lose enough.

It's like, well, I mean, how many teams have we seen over the past few years get a high pick and screw it up? I mean, they mainly just haven't had an opportunity to pick pretty high. And they're outside of Kendall, I should say. They were also one lottery ball away from getting Schaefer in that same draft. I think people forget about that, Pat. They were one lottery ball away from walking out of that draft last year with Schaefer and Kindle. So, like, obviously the lottery buck didn't fall their favor. But, you know, they just don't really have anyone in their system that can really replace any of those big guns yet.

excuse me, but also at the same time, they haven't had an opportunity to pick, you know, top five, top seven. They try to trade up there, of course, but those prices have been ridiculous so far. Moving on to Magic Al Good, I don't know that it was leverage, but I don't think a deal was that close. I don't see why Roberts would want to be in Pittsburgh over Dallas at this specific moment. I do agree at this specific moment. He would 100% rather be in Dallas, and I do think overall, too, not just for this specific

moment. I think overall he wants to be in Dallas. You saw his comments to the media. He wants to work something out. The organization wants to work something out. And when you have both of those, even though I still want to see all this plays out, but when you have both sides saying that, usually that means a deal is going to come at some point in the next year. And I do think that is most likely what is going to happen, especially with the way free agency is going. The comment continues, the Penguins are a pillar franchise. Don't get me wrong, but at this moment, it's kind of a flawed roster. Better for the pens anyways.

I don't believe he puts them over the top, so you might as well play the youth. I definitely don't think he puts them over the top. I think he is the type of player that they should at least be calling and inquiring on, but I'm sure when they heard that price, again, it's just quite a bit considering where they are right now. Your comment about playing the youth, yeah, I get that, but there's also just so many forwards right now where, you know,

some of the youth is going to play this season. Like Sergey Moroshov, I have making the team. team. I do that you're going to see Harrison Brunick at some point in the NHL of the season, whether he's starting with the team or whether he comes up at some point. I think Avery Hayes is going to be up here for some games. Rucker McGority, I would say the same thing. The Lake Hoyven. I think Tristan Rose is going to be up here. I say all this, Pat, because injuries always come up for the penguins. Even if all these guys are most of them don't start the season with the penguins, I think you're going to see most, if not all of them at some point

with the team during the year, just because injuries always come up. So you'll see the youth, but at least to start may not be as much as some fans are expecting just when you look at the roster. 100%. The other part of this that I also think we need to keep in mind is the right time to get elite talent is all the time. And if there's an opportunity to go get a Jason Robertson, you pull the trigger. And that said, I still also agree with what you're saying is you're not going to sell out the farm for this guy because you're not there yet.

But if you can swing a. deal for good talent, you make that move because that is part and parcel how you get back to contender status. And I'll keep bringing them up. The model right now, and the model is going to have to be with the way the league is going, is what Carolina does. Carolina doesn't leave options off the table. They're not afraid to make a couple signings. They're not afraid to swing big trades. They're not afraid to get guys locked up early and they're not afraid to build through the draft, but not through the traditional way of we got to suck for a year or two. We got to get a top five pick or two. It's we're going to scout the hell out of the draft. That way, guys we pick

in the lower half of the first round or rounds two through seven, guys that they may not be ready come the next season or the season after that. But by year three, they're going to be ready to be NHL contributors. So yeah, on one hand, you don't, you definitely balk at that price if you're the penguins right now, because you're not a year or two away from contending. But if those trades become available and you got to part with some assets you might like, you make the deal because you would rather have the definite rather than the hypothetical. Right. I hear you.

And they also have talked about it at multiple pressers this offseason where they're going to continue looking, excuse me, for those big trades, those difference-making trades where they can get those players in their early to mid-ish 20-20s that can come in, be here for a while. And they've been said, it may not be this off-season, might be during the season, might be next off-season, but they're never going to stop looking or anything like that. There is a comment from Landon Bartels that I think we're going to save for next week because I really like this comment about what's a name that hasn't been mentioned that you would love to see come to the penguins at center and left defense.

I think that's going to be a good topic for next Friday overall. A couple other ones, one from Penn 68, thinks they were definitely in on Robertson. I think this all season showed some progress has been made, but a lot still needs to be done. Yeah, I agree with both of those. There's still a lot more that needs to happen for this team to be a contender. And yeah, I do think they were in Ace 80 says the same thing. I think the penguins were in. He thinks they served as a backup plan for Dallas if they could not get a deal done.

I imagine there was the outline of a deal worked out that will be finished. if Robertson turned down the one times 12. I wouldn't go that far in terms of the outline for a deal worked out. Maybe Dubis was kind of waiting for Jim Nill to call, but I don't think there was an outline of a deal worked out or anything like that. The comparison I kept coming back to Pat was from a couple years ago when the steward were kind of waiting for the Niners to call them about Brandon Ayuk. They felt like they had a trade actually outlined.

I don't think it ever got that far here with Jason Walker. And the next day. Sorry. I had to remind you about that one. And the next day. Yes. And the next day. And the next day. But yeah, I, I, again, I'll just echo what I said of.

I think that it was, and again, not in a negative connotation. It was a leverage play by everybody involved. The penguins knew that there might be a chance that he becomes available. So they wanted to be ready. Alice knew that there was a chance that maybe they don't want to go to arbitration with him and have to pay him a bunch of money or they aren't going to agree to a deal. So everybody was just ready. And it was more of a if this happens, we're ready to go. And then to the other point, yeah, that's the thing we've been preaching on this show for a while.

This isn't going to be, it's not going to be a deeply long and grueling rebuild retool. But it's also not going to be fast. It's not going to be, they're going to be right back. near the top by 2029. Like this is probably going to be a few more years, but the challenge will be showing progress with each passing year, whether that's continuing to qualify for the playoffs or some of these younger players showing that they will be long-term solutions. So we, I'll keep saying that we had 16 straight years of this team basically being a contender.

I know it sucks. I know we want them to be playing meaningful hockey always, but this is the life cycle of the National Hockey League. It waxes and wanes, and right now we're in that little bit of a rebuild. We had a lot. I said it on last Friday's fan take Friday when you were off gallivanting on your bachelor party. We live in a great technological time. So if you need that fix, YouTube is there. The Penguin's 50th anniversary documentary is on YouTube.

you can always go back and reminisce. Yes, and as the saying goes, you've got to pay the Piper at some point, right? And they've been paying the Piper at least a little bit since that streak ended. Yeah, no. They made the playoffs this past season. That was a magical year before they lost in the first round of their arch rival.

But still, every team has to pay the Piper at some point. That happens all the time. But that's going to do it for this episode of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. Thank you all so much to take the time to listen to slash watch this one. Pat and I will be back with a fresh episode for you all on Monday. Then we'll be back on Wednesday and then Friday to close out another week. And then we'll be right into August. And then we'll be getting closer to training camp and the start of the regular season. So for Patrick Am, I'm Hunts for Hodey's. Thank you all so much for tuning in.

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