Locked On Penguins - Daily Podcast On The Pittsburgh Penguins - NHL SQUAD SHOW: Four Nations, an unofficial trade deadline, and what will Utah HC be called next year?

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

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and use code Locked-on NHL for $20 off your first purchase. We have got an esteemed panel today on this week's squad show. We have Seth Tuple of Locked-on Wild, Zach Martin of Locked-on Hurricanes, Jess Belmastow of Locked-on Flames, and Tom Callahan of Locked-on, Utah. hockey club. Ladies and gentlemen, the big story coming up this week, well, we've got the Four

Nations tournament, a different twist on the All-Star game. Let's even start with this. Do you guys think that Four Nations is a good alternative to the All-Star game? Jess, let's start with you. I can't say just yet. I think that there's obviously a need for revamping the NHL All-Sys. our game and such, but I don't know. I'm not really entirely sold on this whole thing just yet. Why not? I find it incredibly inaccessible to fans. Ticket pricing. I've been looking to go to Montreal

or to Boston, and they're $600 to sit in the last row of the balcony. What are we doing? Something you're going to do at a game time. I don't even know if they're going to help. They help me out with seats at Fenway, but I don't know if they're going to pull that magic off in Boston. You know what? So conceptually, I like it. Four nations, hopefully they eventually expand it to more nations.

But, and I love the World Cup of hockey. That's why I think this is great. I always enjoyed the World Cup of hockey. But obviously the All-Star game has been tweaked over the last couple of years, try to make it more exciting. I think three-on-three is better than what we had, because at least players kind of get into it. But at the end of the day, that's what we're trying to find, right, is something,

this is for the fans. And at the end of the day, if the fans aren't able to go see it live because it's pricing them out of house and home, that's not a good thing in the first place. The second thing is, unfortunately, and I'm sure we're going to get into this, injuries play a big part in this. Now you have a week and a half break here that's turning into an unofficial trade deadline. It is really messing with the schedule of the NHL without benefiting the NHL, I don't think. Is this going to draw any more viewers than an All-Star game?

Is the question you have to ask? Is it more revenue? Is it better for the fans? I don't know that it is. Yeah, the interesting thing about this is for me, the All-Star break was always an opportunity for the guys that weren't All-Stars to get a reprieve. in, get a little break in.

And now you have an extended period of time where you have a bunch of really top-tier players that are going to be competing in this tournament for a couple of weeks. And this is not unique to the Minnesota Wildbell. I'll use it as a good example because there are a couple of key pieces currently dealing with this. Jonas Brodine is just coming back from an injury. And he is on the roster for Phil. You've got Jewel Erick who has been hurt pretty much all the season.

Would love the opportunity for him to get a little two-week break to try to get ready for the NHL season, but he is obviously going to play in this as well. So you worry about the risk of injuries, which is that's not some, it's not to say that you didn't during the All-Star break, but this is obviously going to be, this is going to be ramped up competition. The All-Star game is always kind of a, it's, It's a glorified exhibition game. And the players have by and large treated it as such.

There is a lot at stake here. And players are going to, I think, treat these games as if they matter, which means there's going to be intensity, which means there's going to be physicality, which just opens you up for, which is why we have seen this quote unquote first trade deadline. Teams are worried about that. Teams are worried about that heading into this tournament,

that there could be some key pieces that end up getting hurt during this thing. You know what, Seth, that's exactly why we heard about the pushback against the Olympics, right? Because it is serious. Players, especially in Europe, I think North American fans don't always understand, but how serious Europeans take international competition. It matters. And so all we need is to come onto this with one significant injury and the second guessing and the ringing of hands in national.

of teeth will start. And I hope we don't. I really hope we don't. But you're absolutely right. The possibility exists and it could really screw up someone's season. Yeah, because what is what is to say, let's just use this as an example, Connor Hellibuck, who is, I would imagine going to be the number one guy for Team USA. What would happen if something happens to him and a guy that the Winnipeg Jess have leaned on all season, all of a sudden is not available and they don't have anybody that can step in and fill that spot. Yeah. It's a real problem.

It's a real problem. And then, like, I'll talk about this from an Islander's perspective. Brock Nelson, supposed to be on the trade block at the deadline. He's going to be an unrestricted free agent. He's playing for Team USA. If I'm the general manager of the New York Islanders, I don't want him playing, or I'm going to trade him before the tournament because, I mean, I don't know. really think it's going to be as physical as a regular season NHL game?

Not in the first round. It'll get there. It'll get there. I mean, all you need is one rut in the ice and somebody skates over it and, you know, bingo, that's an injury. But like these games could really decide the NHL season as a result of injuries, even though they don't count in the standings. Oh, no, 100%.

And look at it from the teams who have already traded, like, let's just say, for instance, the Carolina Hurricanes, you just got Mika Rancid. What if, knock on what, nothing happens? But now you just trade for a guy, what if he's out for a bit? You can't go get Marty Nietzsche's back. That trade's done. Now it's like, now you have the mad scramble. So yeah, I can definitely see where this could be,

there's a lot of hesitation with this and where it's like, okay, what's going to happen with that. But going back to what Tom said, I think I love the World Cup of hockey too. I wish we had more teams. Maybe this is a segue that could lead into that. I know. obviously with a lot of the European guys, we don't have enough guys to fill Rosses out

for like a team Germany, Czech Republic stuff like that. So you might have to do some team Europe's, team North America's for the other guys and stuff like that too. But it also what Jess said with the accessibility, like we definitely, there's no reason why we should be outpricing tickets for nosebleeds at TD Garden

and, you know, for Montreal too. There's like, there's no reason about that to happen. There definitely should be caps or ways that should be done a lot better. Like for what they do for the stadium, series, winner classes and stuff like that. It's just the whole situation of the tickets are insane.

But yeah, it's just it's going to be very interesting with how these guys are looking at because, you know, what Seth said and what, you know, talking like, okay, it's glorified exhibition, glorified Ponock. Yeah. And that's why people are kind of tuned out with the All-Star game because you can tell these guys aren't really trying. Like, they don't, like, you see the skills comp.

No one cares about the skills competition. Like, you want to look at a skills comp and then All-Star game that makes it excited. I think what the NHL is doing right now with the All-Star Classic. It's exciting. There's no gimmicks. It's just old-school skills. Fans are able to interact with guys because they took the glass down.

They still make it interesting. I feel like the NHL has been just trying to tweak things that maybe aren't just working. They're trying to overdo it. And, yeah, I think just that whole weekend, it's just tough to do. And now, like you said, now you get two weeks of more intense hockey when you're used to, like, what, three days of stuff and then you're off for a week. Yeah. You're going to have a lot of guys.

You're going to be super tired coming back up in the NHL with like how many days are they going to get off before and after four nations before you go into a stretch run of more games. Exactly. None. Big goal zero. Now you have guys who are going to be super tired for this massive stretch front. We're going to have just games almost every other night now.

And here's the thing I want to throw out to you guys. And I'd love to hear your responses. Does anyone expect anything but a USA Canada final? I mean, we've kind of already shoveled it into that corner, haven't? That takes some of the drama out. I don't know. I mean, looking at Switzerland and Finland, or Switzerland, Sweden. Sorry, brain's been kind of off.

Sweden and Finland, I mean, you still look at those two teams that can still possibly do something. I'm not going to say it's automatically you would say Canada. Stuff can happen, but, yeah, I mean, it's hockey. Anything can happen, but I want to be surprised, though, It is just. I mean, if you look at those rosters, it's crazy.

It's basically going to be Canada's offense versus Connor Hellbuck. Like, I know Team USA has, I'm not trying to suggest that Team USA does not have capable players on it, but you're talking about a lineup with Nathan McKinnon, Connor McDavid, and Sidney Crosby, let alone Sam Bennett,

Sam Reinhart, Mark Stone. Need I go on? Like, it's Canada's offense and seeing if they can crack Connor Hellabuck multiple times to win. Here's a question that I'm wondering, though. The NHL has difficulty getting fans to care about an all-star game that is one game

and maybe there's one or two days of skills competitions and little events. How are they going to hold up fan interest for an entire tournament? That's a good question. I think one of the biggest mistakes was making the gold medal game on a Thursday night. I don't understand that. in the slightest, but again, it's the NHL. They just, I don't think they actually look at calendars when scheduling things. I have a very difficult time thinking and believing that they'll be able to really hone in on the content or keeping people engaged.

I mean, it's not like, I could see maybe if teams are sending their content people or whoever. like they do for the all-star game, but what are we doing in this situation when it's not team specific? Utah. So for instance, Utah is sending two finished defensemen over. Don't get me started on Clayton Keller, not on Team USA. But so they're sending two finished defensemen. Well, in a market like Utah, how many people actually give a flip about Finland? Probably not too many, but they do now, right? So if you're a Utah fan, And you're like, well, this blue is not too far from finish blue. I guess I can trade up for a little bit. They'll try to follow it.

But I feel like if there's not the featuring of what your team is doing, what Carolina or Minnesota or Calgary or New York is doing, a lot of people are just going to tune out. The places they're going to watch this tournament are Boston, Buffalo, and Detroit. Yeah, I lost the Family Cup final, no matter who's in it, they'll watch this tournament. It ultimately just comes, it comes down to accessibility. And like what Jess was saying about the ticket prices, that's patently absurd. Like you're, you're so ridiculous.

You're going to ask players to care about a tournament that they can't get to in person. A great opportunity, the NHL will never do this, but a great opportunity would be for each team that has players on it to host watch parties at their arena. they won't do this, but you get, and you don't have to, you don't have to sell it out. You don't have to have your full arena assortment of concessions and what have you available. Just pack the lower bowl, have the game going on on the video board, make it, hey, we're going to root for our guys. I should correct myself as well, the wild two representatives from team Sweden, not team Finland. So I wanted to get that in before the comments correct me myself.

But like, you have to come up with these. ways to make the fans want to care about this and putting it on NHL Network plus or ESPN plus or having the tickets be $7,000 a piece is not the way to do it. Yeah, I mean, at least they were smart and not doing on the NHL Network for the World Generals, which they do every year, which makes no sense because you want to get fans into it. But it's like, okay, have fun getting fans to watch World Juniors, which is very exciting. But you can't watch it unless you pay it for or, you know, raise a jolly Roger.

for it. We're going to leave it at that. But at least for this, it kind of made it somewhat work. I mean, at least you're seeing, you know, guys interested in it. But if you have, let's say, two or three guys going, like what Tom said, who's really going to care about guys on teams that me never really cared about in Big Nation games or stuff like that? I mean, lucky for the canes, we got now four instead of three going because we picked up a really good finish for it.

I don't know if you've heard about him. but it's just, yeah, I mean, I'm excited for it, but at the same time, it's like, I don't know, it's, this is definitely a wait and see thing for sure of like how it's actually going to kind of pan itself out before. We're like, let's do it again because it's the NHL. Yeah, we'll see how this all plays out. We have a little more to talk about with regard to four nations.

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Okay, Zach, yeah. Russia could fill out too, very easily. Yeah. But there is no team Russia. your thoughts on that should there be a team Russia or is it wrong to let politics kind of influence how this all plays out i think it's too hard to say i don't know i feel like it's just it's way too political it is i mean but like Alex Ovechkin not going to be there yeah the main draw like bro caprice off not going to be there right uh well for for a boy

multiple reasons there, Seth, sorry about your. Tusha. Again, or the audience corrects me. He's not going to be there because of the surgery. Yeah. Well, I mean, look at the hurricanes. Anders Fescherkov, Piotr Kjkov, Dmitry Orlov, we got all the Oves.

I mean, it's, yeah, it's unfortunate. Yeah, I mean, like we said, you could easily feel more teams like you could get a team Russia, like you said, unfortunately politics and the IHF, which is a whole, different conversation and talking about what they do. And it's just, yeah, like you said, their team Russians should, they can easily filled enough guys because there's a lot of guys in the NHL that could easily play.

Like I said, we could even do like a team in Europe if you really wanted to with all the guys that there's not enough NHLers for. Like, okay, oh, let's put, you know, Leon Drysidal with like, Neo-Neider writer from, you know, Switzerland. Or you have all these other guys from these, you know, countries that you mean is just one or two guys here and there, but you put them on. Norway, Austria, on and on. Exactly. Exactly.

There are countries that you can align to get a team. Right, exactly. Like I said, or like I said, in the fact that you could also, like I said, if you, like there's enough guys from North America that don't make Canada and USA, like a Clayton Keller. Hey, here's Team North America because we can just add a whole other group for them too. I'm there's so many ways of avenues where you could have added a lot more teams to make to make this. If you wanted to go to six and not involve Russia, which, I mean, you could, but Europe and North America, there you go.

It's problem solved. But, yeah, I mean, it's just the way they've only made it only four teams and the way they've kind of just like, oh, well, sorry, if you want to see all these other great players, too bad, so sad you're going to have to deal with it until we figure it out next year, which who knows it definitely. I'm talking about all-star breaks again next year. Right, but the problem is, if you have more than four teams, you need more than 10 days to have this tournament, and then you have to have it after the season instead of in the middle. I mean, yeah, at this point, it's like, do you even really, I mean, does anyone ever want an all-star game anymore?

Is it more of just like, here's a break for like a week and there you go? Because, I mean, like the only one that even met, like I said, the one that even has implications is baseball, because whoever wins gets home. field advantage for the world series. Maybe if the NHL wants to make it exciting, hey, Eastern Conference, Western Conference. If you guys want to get a home ice

advantage for the Staling Cup rather, regardless of your record, boom, there it is. Like, I'm tired of this. Let's do all the divisions together and have four teams. Like, what happened to East West? What happened to, you know, USA against the world or North America against the world? Or, hey,

one through eight, who misses that for the playoffs? Like, there's just unnecessary tweaks that just didn't to happen but give every team a week off for the all-star break announce your first half all-stars and then at the end of the season announce your second half all-stars celebrate the players being able to you know have that on their on their resume and let them let them go to cabo let him take a it's a strenuous NHL season give them an opportunity to just go be with their families for a week and refuel and rest up a little bit and to gear up for the second half of the season.

Yeah, the NHL doesn't care about it. Why should the guys care about it? Because they don't market the All-Star game for nothing at this point. It's almost like the NHL at this point is like, hey, don't forget about the All-Star game. We're going to have so much fun. And everybody's like, oh. Hey, here's the Stadium series. Wait, there was a stadium series?

Wait, the winner. Wait, the Winter Classic was on New Year's Eve. I did. Don't get me started on that one. Yeah, that was just. And look, the All-Star game, you know who it's really for? All of the rest of it aside, the corporate sponsors of the National Hockey League. Because all of their executives and all of their families, that's who ends up getting the tickets.

And that's their thank you for sponsoring the league. Like, hey, Nathan McKinnon, my kids really want to meet you. And I'm a major sponsor for the. Colorado Avalanche. Okay, sure. Autograph, photo, on deal. Yep, yep.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, we have got a lot more to discuss on today's show, including maybe a topic that is near and dear to Tom's heart. Three choices now for the Utah Hockey Club's nickname going forward. We'll talk a little bit about that and a whole lot more coming up on today's squad show. And today's episode is brought to you by a. game time looking for tickets for your next big event, whether it's a concert, a comedy show,

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Again, create an account and redeem code L-O-C-E-D-O-N-N-H-L for $20 off. Download game time today, last-minute tickets lowest prices guaranteed. So a little mix up there with some copyright infringement and questions about Yeti, but we do now have three finalists for the Utah Hockey Club's name. Tom, why don't you tell us what the choices are and your initial thoughts, since that is the team you cover? So it's fun that they did this twice in two days. because they pulled one out of nowhere and all of a sudden, Wasatch was in the mix, which no one really asked for or had even heard. I almost feel like they threw it in there just so the running would be between Utah Hockey Club and Mammoth,

which are the two that were also in there. Well, Wasatch got the axe so fast. And so they brought back outlaws, which was initially supposed to be one of the three finalists. A bunch of the other ones kind of look, Yeti, here's the thing. All those names are still possible. They're just real expensive now because you have to bargain with Yeti to get that copyright. And they couldn't prove enough with the Copyright and Trademark Office that they could differentiate themselves. They tried to add an S on to what.

It didn't work. So at this point, even Utah Hockey Club, has a little bit more hurdles than Mammoth or Outlaws, just because Utah, hockey, and club are all very generic words. However, there's a special use case, and I'm pretty sure Utah Hockey Club fills this, where if you show you've been using it, and they obviously have,

you could basically lobby that you could then make that your trademark name. So Hockey Club is on there. Mammoth is on there, which was my second favorite from the start. I was a big Yeti supporter, and now I'm on with Mammoth. And the third one is now Outlaws once again. So what they're doing right now, the next,

I think now we're down to two home games remaining for this. Fans can go in and get a sneak peek at not only what the name and the colors would look like, but the preliminary logo design, which is pretty cool. Now, here's the thing. They take your phone. So you have to go in there. One person is escorted by two PR people, no photographs, no nothing. So I don't know if anybody sells those goofy glasses with the camera.

Maybe you could try to sneak in there. But yeah, so they don't want to leak it, but people can talk about it. And they're creating a buzz by doing this. So you can actually see it, but you can't photograph it or otherwise disseminate what's there. I have heard, though, that on some of the fan sites, there's an outlaw logo that was done by graphic artist who apparently saw it. It looks very close to what the outlaws would look like. So, I don't know. It's going to be interesting.

We'll see. A fan boat, I'm sure it's already done, but it's up to a fan boat. Yeah, because I saw, like, someone was posting, like, the initial jerseys and logos of what it look like, and they look very EASHL-type level stuff, which I'm assuming is probably not going to be the case, thankfully, because that's a bad luck of it. It's going to look that corny, like what the NHL games are like. But, I mean, if you look at names, I mean, like I said, Outlaws is all right. I like the Mammoth, too, and that's coming from a guy who likes to Colorado, a man with on the National Lacrosse League. So Mammoth is a great name, as long as you do the logo correctly and stuff. like that. And it's different. Like outlaws, I mean, that's, I mean, everyone's got outlaws.

Like, that's not a surprise. Mammoth. I'm with you, Tom. I think that's probably one of, like, the most unique names in. You can do a lot of runway, even with, like, mascots, T-shirt designs, a jersey designs, like helmet designs, put some little mammoth horns on the helmets. You can do a lot of runaway with that type of name. Now, one thing I want to mention, allegedly, if they go with hockey club, guess what? the anthropomorphized logo would be, it would be a Yeti. So, because if you're a hockey club, you're anything, you're anything, right? So you can still be a Yeti.

You don't put a mountain on there. Why not? Sure. Just go with the mammoth, but you better make sure that the mascot's name is Woolly. Spain, just throwing it out there. You have two mascots, woolly and bullies. There we go.

I like that. We're just naming moly bully. There's copyright issues with that too. That's why you have to have two. That's right. That's right. One last quick question before we wrap this all up. Is there one player who you think might be a surprise player who is traded at or before the deadline?

Brock Besser. I think because we have seen. the Vancouver conducts go down the J.T. Miller Road. I can't speak for what Brock Besser wants, but I, if I were a player and I saw some uncharted waters coming up as I was an impending free agent, the other side of that pond might start to look a little appealing. And it would behoove them to go a similar route that the avalanche did with Miko Ranton and try to get something for him before he walks for nothing. So all, and I'm not doing this to try to suggest that the Minnesota Wild will get involved

because they have no money at all whatsoever. But I'll just, I'll throw Brock Bessor's name in the ring as somebody that it would not shock me at all if he ends up being on the move as well. I got a good one for you, Gil. I think this might be very interesting. Morgan Geeky, I think he'd be a sneaky get. And one team in particular, I think, would be very interested in the guy because they drafted them. I would love to see Morgan Geeky back with the Carolina Hurricanes.

Young, going into his potential on a career season and a restricted free agent. So they have his rights. And makes $2 million. He easily can fit that cap in. And he's already been with the system before. So a little sneaky pick, why not bring the geek squad back down to Carolina? Because you can't out pizza the hut. If you know, you know.

But you can bully the bully, right? Yeah, I think today's NHL we've learned untradable contracts are now tradable. So that's why I'm going to throw out Seth Jones. I think Seth Jones, somebody finds a bumper in the middle, little money gets exchanged in there. He's terrible with the Blackhawks, but he's better than that. And I believe he is still better than that. He's just entering his early 30s. I think he's got a lot of tread on the tires.

I would not be surprised to see someone take a swing in him. I don't necessarily have a player, but I do know that Craig Conroy would love to be involved as a third party somehow, taking some money. Made some draft picks in there? Yeah, absolutely. Give me all your jack capital. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting to see if anything happens during the Four Nations tournament.

and obviously the next month in and around the NHL going to be super exciting. Seth, Zach, Tom, Jess, thank you so much for doing this. And thanks to Jay Foster, our producer, for all of his fine work. You've been watching the Locked-on NHL Squad Show. We're here every week talking about the biggest stories

from around the NHL. I'm Gilmartin. Thanks for listening and watching. And have a great week, everybody.