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Episode Date: June 19, 2025

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We have got a great crew assembled today. We have Seth Tupil of Locked-on Wild, David Morrisudi of Locked-on Leifes, and Zach Martin of Locked-on Hurricanes here. And a great time of year. Guys, we know that the Stanley Cup final has been going on for a long time now. I'm loving the hockey.

I'm loving the way the series is, is entertaining as someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight. But should it take more than two weeks to play a Stanley Cup final round? It's so, it's just like, it's like it's not done yet. Like, it's just,

I wonder how the players feel about it too. Like, just how long. long it takes the like it doesn't make any easier for like oh somebody's getting uh you know a little banged up to get an extra day or two to you know recoup it's like yeah but also just keeping them playing for three weeks doesn't really help either i get it the travel's tough but it's more so i think where the season ends and where the playoffs begin and how long they continue through that's really becomes such a such a sore spot for a lot of fans well it's

And that, too, I mean, we look at it last year, like the Cup final, like the Cup final was done on a Monday. Draft was that same week and then ran to free agency. There was like no in between. And I understand with rest and TV rights and stuff like that, too, and, you know, travel. But at the same time, you had that really long break between the conference final games. Then you get two or three days in between these other games as well. Yeah, it's just your dragon is out so much longer. And the athletic even put out, why are the views down 25%?

Well, it's because you've dragged this on for so long and so many days in between. Fans are kind of just like, all right, when's the next game, I guess? And that's just the prop that they're having right now. It's just taking forever. Yeah, Zach, I think you hit on the biggest area that the NHL could trim off of this is the amount of time between each round. And I know that's done, like they, the way they do that is, well, let's assume that all these series go game seven.

And then we'll add some time in addition to that. Yeah, that's all well and good. But what happens if those series go four games or five games? Then all of a sudden, you've got just this long dead period of nothing. And I understand wanting to have a proper buffer so that if there is a team that goes seven, they're not having to immediately flip over and dive into a series against the team that is more rested. But it's playoffs is it gone. We should just be getting at this point in the year, the only two things that are competing for attention are the NBA finals and the Stanley Cup final.

Major League Baseball is just starting the season. They're doing their thing. They really don't care. They're not trying to compete with the viewership here. And you see the same thing in the NBA finals. They have three days in between each game. it's absolutely unnecessary. Like a day off in between is perfectly fine.

If you are going to travel to the other site, maybe you go two days in between there, but there really is no need to have any more than just a day off in between the games. That's plenty of time for people to rest up, for people to, you know, ice their bruises. And I think if you ask the players, too, they would much rather be playing.

Like they would much rather be recovery day right back on the ice as opposed to do you have two like do you have two recovery days? You're not really going to go anywhere because you're during the you're in the Stanley Cup final. Like you're not going to go, oh, we're going to go day trip somewhere. Like you're trying to win a cup. Like just just cut the time down in between the games. And I think people would be more inclined to watch because the action just continues. And what does it do? And I think it kind of cuts both ways, and it is equal for both teams, but what does it do for momentum from the perspective of the players? You win a big emotional

overtime game, and then you sit for three days and wait for the next game. And I think that momentum also has an effect on the fans who want to see the next game after an exciting, you know, game four goes into overtime. We want to see what happens next and you got to wait. And we get like, look at the biggest storyline between the games that we've seen so far in this series. It's who are the Oilers going to start in that? Because everything else gets played out over the course of two days. So you really have no choice. If the Oilers don't name a starter, you know, then that becomes your A topic for an entire day's worth of coverage.

Yeah. And that's, like you said, Seth, like for between round two and the Eastern Conference, conference final hurricanes got done in five games florid went to seven and then it was like that monday off and then immediately game one was tuesday that's how quick it was and yeah you look at that they look where it is now for the cup it's yeah it's just so long and now like you said turns into who's the start for game six oh let's go over the dairy queen story for like the seventh time because that's the biggest thing like i'm so i'm so glad those guys are having a night out getting some blizzards and some upside down ice cream cones.

Yeah, it's just, it gets to a point where it's like, can we just get to the hockey? Like, as soon as the cup final is over, we all know what's going to be next. Draft, free agents and stuff like that. Like, let's just wrap this thing up. Let's get ready for the next big event because we don't need to keep rehashing the same stories over and over and over again to kill time. And then, look, there's also already been murmurs of expansion. And believe me, if they add.

two more teams, they're going to add a play in playoff round. So is the Stanley Cup going to be awarded July 4th next year? No. How does this all fit together eventually? And it's funny that when they ask, constantly ask Gary Bemmer or Bill Daly about this, like,

no, we're not going to do that. We think our playoffs are great as it is. And it's like, but there's such an, now you're going to have, and I get it. Like with the NBA, the way they do it, it's quick. It feels like, okay, two games, it's Bing bang and you're done, right?

There's not, it's not like a whole tournament that you have to do. I think maybe it gets misrepresented and how it actually would happen, but it's like, how are you going to tell two more teams, you get to come into this league pay billions of dollars in expansion fees to do it? Oh yeah,

but you're not going to get any, there's not, we're not changing the playoff structure in any way to accommodate the fact that we're going to add more teams to it. Like eventually you're going to get to the point where it's going to, like, the like like like like it like the world cup where you're just adding you're just going to be adding on these teams and then it's like okay but it doesn't really solve the issue of how many teams are actually going to find success in moving forward right because these teams need the

playoff revenue there's some teams that need the playoff revenue to justify what they're going to be spending each and every year on salaries and everything else and it's not just the playoff revenue it's if you add you know additional teams to a playoff playing round, there are more teams in March and April with hope of making the playoffs. And you sell more tickets during the regular season as a result of that as well. And keep in mind, it's been 16 teams in the NHL playoffs since what, 1979, I think, give or take a year or two. So, and back then there were 21 teams and 16 of them made the playoffs.

So they are due to add, but you know, you would have to condense it. you couldn't space out the Stanley Cup final the way they're doing if they add a playing round. Well, if they add in a play in round too, though, here's the flip side, then you're kind of diminishing the regular season because at that point, are you really making it worthwhile for these teams that are, yeah, maybe don't really shouldn't be in the playoffs, but it's like, oh, well, we can make it in. We just got a finagle or a way to a certain amount of points and stuff like that. And it's just, that's why I think a lot of people are kind of against the NBA for doing it because. now they have too many teams getting in and then it's just expanding it more, it makes it longer and it just, it kind of diminished, like, why are we trying for 82 games to have 18, 20 teams make the playoffs and then it just elongates a process that's already tough as it is.

And it makes these guys play more hockey games on top of that, where it's already long as it is. Well, and think about this too, just from a league perspective. So the Stanley Cup final is done this week. You're June 20th is you're done. You're done. The draft is next week. Free agency is like four days after that. And then you got nothing until the start of the season until teams come back for training camp.

Wouldn't you want to make those events to separate? things that draw attention to the league as opposed to just kind of this this blob of coverage that extends from the few days leading up to the draft it just continues into free agency like I would think you would want to try to drum up some buzz and if you like let's say the the Stanley Cup final is done by the early part of June you have the draft in the middle of June you still have the free agency and everything start July 1st. Now you've got like two and a half weeks of buzz that you can generate for your league

as opposed to just, hey, draft free agency, just throwing it all on a table and saying, here you go. And like how few teams maybe could make potential moves because draft two days later, free agency, and it's like, well, that's not enough time for us to consider making a move or two

that we may have wanted to do. now the draft is usually when you make your big moves but we've even noticed like even the draft hasn't had the bigger impacts in terms of trades just teams just don't have as much time to really formulate like trades take a while to get done some do some some some do come up you know the negotiations start a lot earlier and they pick up again

but with the way that the off season just gets condensed you don't see that movement that you normally will see in other leagues especially like in the NBA where it feels like it's you got so much time to kind of gather everything together and you do see those big moves happen and on top of it this year the GMs will not all be in the same place at the draft so that's going to make trade negotiations a little bit harder I would think not you know I mean modern technology yeah but having everybody together for a weekend in the same place I think does

help trade talks move along. All right, we've got to move along as well. We've got a lot more to discuss, including possibly closing one of the most infamous loopholes in the NHL. We'll talk about that and more coming up next on the squad show. Today's episode is brought to you by wonderful pistachios looking for a snack that's both delicious and nutritious, crack into a good source of protein with wonderful pistachios. Wonderful pistachios is one of the highest protein nuts.

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So we've seen this happen far too often in the last five, ten years in the NHL, where a team acquires a player at the deadline after stashing a very talented and high-sarri-player on LTIR, And then magically, when the playoffs start, everybody's healthy and everybody's back. And all of a sudden, a team has a roster in the playoffs that is way above what the cap would be during the regular season. There's some talk about closing that potential loophole. I think it's a good idea, but what do you guys think? And how should the league proceed with this? Yeah, I think it's definitely time to get rid of the ability to basically.

basically just blank check yourself into the playoffs. I mean, the examples that we've seen over the past few years, I go back to Nikita Kutrov with the Tampa Bay Lightning, where he missed basically the entire season. And then all of a sudden, oh, hey, yeah, he's feeling great. We're optimistic that we're maybe going to be able to get him

onto the playoff roster. And then he leads the team in points. They win the Stanley Cup. End of story. Mark Stone's done it a few times with the Vegas Golden Knights. that has kind of become a running joke to the like it's it's been done enough that they've turned it into a running joke with Mark Stone like get your 20 games in to start the season then take it easy and come back for the playoffs. It is something that I think needs to be tightened up

and and taking care of completely because you know you have teams that may like the wild were in a situation this year where they had Carrel Caprizz off on long-term major reserve and a lot of wild fans were like how come we're not doing this because other teams have done it well in the wilds case they wanted to still be able to get carol capris off on the roster before the regular season ended to make the playoffs so they had to have that money free to be able to get him back on the roster they absolutely could have benefited from going and getting a bona fide top six player i think if you can get somebody to put into that lineup in the top six. I think they would have beaten the Golden Knights in round one.

But that opportunity only exists if you allow teams the ability to supersede the cap. And if not everybody's going to do it, get rid of it. If it's going to be taken advantage of by a couple of teams that exploit it, cut it. Get it out of there. Well, you look at the past Stanley Cup final winners, right? The first time it really became a thing was when Patrick Kane went down at the injury that they said,

oh, you know what? Throw them on LTIR. Now Chicago was able to add a bunch of guys. Kane came back. They went on to win the cup final. Nikita Kutrov. He had the hip surgery that kept them out all year,

but conveniently was able to come back for game one of the Stanley Cup final. They went on and won that one, too. Vegas did the same. thing as you said with Mark Stone and Florida this year with Matthew Kachuk, right? I don't see how we can say that in today's NHL and Gary Mem has talked about how the salary cap has brought parity to the league and then teams are like, well, here's the thing, Gary.

We don't think that because we can exceed the cap by 8, 10, in some cases I've seen like $18 million with LTIR usage. how are teams supposed to compete with that? Like it was brought up in Toronto. Why didn't Austin Matthews sit out when he was dealing with his injury so that the Leafs could add a bunch of players? Well, one,

Austin Matthews didn't want to do that because he wanted to play. Two, if the Leafs did it, the NHL probably would have said something about it because it's Toronto. And three, it's just, it would be so blatant for a team like that to do it. that it would probably ruin it for everybody else.

So all the other teams will complain too. It's like, well, whole, whole, whole. If you go and do it, I don't think we'll ever be allowed to do this again. I just think that we need to stop with this whole, the hard salary cap has brought parity to the league because teams have found ways around it. And it's not that there's way too many disadvantages

are being thrown out for teams. It's not a level of competing fields right now. And I don't know how get Betman and build, there and bill dealey can come out and say it's not that way yeah well and you're right david because you look at florida you just mentioned it too like you they don't have matthicichicka chuck after four nations he comes back but in that time frame you go get brad marshan and seth jones in that line up so now your defense just got better and now you add a guy who's been there in marchand and now you get matthage of chuck back now you it's almost like you have a

top nine that pretty much beats almost an entire team's roster because it's just a load with all these guys. So that's why you've seen teams like Florida can just breeze their almost breeze their way through a playoff. I know Toronto took them probably farther than anyone else has in the Eastern Conference, but that's just one of the crazy things of how it's worked down. Like you said, it's just all these teams are loophole in their way into these rosters. It almost gives the feel of this loophole is the pre-salary cap era

where you see like the Red Wings, the Avalanche, all those teams that were able to load up with you know, superstar teams, because there was no cap, you can just go and just get guys, and then you have the mega teams. That's what almost feels like with this loophole. And like you see all these other leagues don't really want you to do that. And for whatever reason, the Angel has exploited it, but not everyone does it. And that's where you see a handful of teams consistently have deep playoff runs because they do that loophole.

And the thing is, some of the teams who exploit it, even try to vote it out the first time in the CBA. They're like, well, we don't want it, but you kept it. Okay, we're going to show you. And they did it. And that's why they've won. They exploited the rule that they were trying to vote out the first time to prove to the league. Okay, if you don't want to, then let us show you why it's going to not work for you. Yeah, but keep in mind, here's a different tack to it.

It allows, look, even when a guy is on LTIR, they don't count against the cap, but you still have to pay them. So richer teams are going to. going to have a big advantage because, you know, small market teams or teams that are not willing to spend the extra $810, $12 million on salary are not going to be able to load up and do this, whereas your Toronto's or your vaguses or teams that have the money and are willing to spend it, you know, they can do it. So it does create inequality. The question is, how do you best solve it? Do you institute a cap in the playoffs? Do you limit the use of LTIR?

If a guy is on LTIR, he can't come back for the playoffs. How do you fix this problem? I think if you're going to try to activate someone from LTIR, like the current rules state that they have to be away from, what, 10 games in 24 days. Like both those conditions need to be met, which a lot of things are able to do. But I also think you've got to find a way to do,

if you're bringing them back, they can't just be activated and brought back. There needs to be a process that, okay, we're going to activate them, and there's going to be some sort of, like, kind of the NFL does it with a designation to return, right? Baseball sort of does it in that way, too, where they do the different designations. Like, I think you've got to have a proper way to do those designations.

And I don't know, maybe in the playoffs, you got to also figure out you can't exceed the cap by X percent when a player is brought back from LTIR. You can't just bring back an entire player back. Only some of it is variable in the playoffs. Something along those lines, you can't do a salary cap in the playoffs. I get it because they don't get paid. But you've got to find a way to say, if this is your cap,

you can't go over it by a certain percentage in the playoffs. And maybe that's the way it goes now. Okay, we can place the got an LTAR, but only this much of it can be placed on it. So we have to figure out a way to be countered. have compliant and have this guy be able to play. I really like the IR designations as a way to kind of combat this because the NFL has, you know, they have, they have the ones that you can put players on if they,

that you've got the PUP list before the season starts. So you can put them on that list if they're going to miss the first handful of weeks of the season. And then they can come back sometime before that cutoff. And then during the season, you've got, you know, the short term. and the long term or the season ending, and you have a limited number of spots that you can put each of the players in in each of those cases.

So let's say Mark Stone's going to miss two months. You know, you can designate him to return, but he has to return by that set cutoff time. If he doesn't, then he's not eligible to return for the rest of the season. I think that would go a long way towards curtailing some of this. Well, yeah, because that's what baseball does, because they have the seven day, the 10, the 15, and the 60. And like you said, only the only put so many guys on those designated lists.

And like you said, if this guy's for 60 days, okay, then this is the date he has to be back activated on your roster. And, you know, while we know baseball doesn't really have a salary cap, but the NHL has a salary cap is okay, you have until, let's say, you know, March 15, this guy's coming back. Get your roster aligned to where if you bring him back, then you're going to be cap compliant. If not, then you've got to make moves to make it work. And that's where you go, your cap compliance guys

and whatever franchise has that guy, the math nerd who punches the numbers is in to be like, okay, this is what we need to fix it. So yeah, I think specific designation of how many weeks games or however made that is he's out for, here's your set date, figure it out before then, if not, go make some roster moves. And I think, yeah, what David said, let's say you go, let's say the max is like,

you can go $5 to $6 million over, because the cap's 95 to half next year. Okay, then you can't exceed it by $101.1 million. That's it. There's your $6 million that you can go over for the playoffs. It's not a salary cap, but this is what you can exceed past to off of what our our designated physical cap for the regular season. It does make sense. Let's see if this gains momentum.

I think they've got to do something and we'll see what it is. Meanwhile, we have the announcement of the first six players for the various Olympic teams coming up next year. We'll talk about that and more next on the squad show. So Canada, the U.S., Sweden and Finland have all named their first six players for the 2020. 26 Olympics and guys I mean some people are getting all bent out of shape about this you know it's only the first six there's still a lot of spots left

what's your take on these announcements I mean it's it's it's always weird to announce six players right because it's never really ever done like that in the past it was always here's the roster here's the full list But I get why they're doing this. This kind of gives a bit of anticipation now, right? You're not waiting and waiting until January or end of December, January for an announcement.

But I like how people lose their minds on the six players announced. And it's like, well, but how about this guy? I'm like, six players. We're not talking about eight, 10, 15, six. and usually the six that get picked are the six majority of people have on their preliminary list to be on the team in the first place. And that too. I mean,

you look at this is the first time we're going to have NHL guys back on the Olympics since 2014. So yeah, they want to drum up a lot of attention because, oh, look, we finally have the best on best for the first time in 12 years when they're going to be in Milan and Coacha out for the first time in a while. So, yeah, they're going to do that. And like you said, David, the first six, it's not like you're going to have all the other big names are going to be off this.

Let's, like, I know with, you know, you look at the Carolina Hurricanes, Jacob Slavid didn't make it. Oh, why isn't he not there? You know, why is Charlie McEnvoy? And it's not slave before within four nations. And it's like, but he's going to make the roster regardless. You know, if there are certain guys that performed really well in four nations, it's going to be a foreground conclusion that they're probably going to make the roster. Same thing for Zacharensky of Columbus. He finished top three in the North, but that's a different conversation, but he's going to be there.

He's automatic. And, you know, some people are like, what about JJ Petrker from Germany? Well, his contract's not figured out, but obviously he's going to be there too. And you just name all these other guys that are going to make it. For me, it's like, I don't see what the big deal is. It's just, it's like you said, David, it's six guys. It's not like it's the whole roster. Like, there's no snubs.

Like, it doesn't matter if they're the first six or they're the final, whatever the roster size is. is 20, 23 or whatever it is. The guys are going to be on it regardless. It's just we're drumming up interest to be like, hey, the NHL guys are back. It's best on best. Let's get excited for it. That's all this really is. I'm going to echo what I said on the Tuesday episode of lockdown NHL on this.

And I don't think the NHL did enough for this announcement because it is a return to the Olympics. I think they should have. have taken a hint from what they did with some of the awards presentations and turn them into social media opportunities. And I think what the NHL should have done is you take like one player from each roster and you just do this series of videos where that player goes and gets the next player on the roster. And those two go and get the next player on the roster.

And you just, you lean into some of the, um, you know, stuff that's going on around the league, like for Team Canada, you know, let's, let's say you've got Nathan McKinnon sitting in the, the Aves Arena, just, you know, taping up his stick or whatever. And all of a sudden, Sydney Crosby walks in and says, boy, we've been, we've been talking about doing this for a long time, huh? Aves fans are going to lose their minds because there's been so much, like, there's been so much speculation that Sidney Crosby is going to join up with McKinnon at some point. like turn it into a big deal as opposed to just here's your initial six here's the rest of the roster like turn this into something big that sets it all the way up to the start of the Olympics.

I think the NHL kind of missed the boat here. I mean, it is the initial six. So there's plenty of reaction that we've seen. But this should have been a way bigger deal. So you're saying they should have D2, the Mighty Ducks where there's rollerblading going to get everyone. this one they should have done. Let's go. Let's go.

What a call is that. But like that Crosby McKinnon, like, Aves fans would lose their minds if they did a video like that, just kind of cryptic. And then people are like, oh, it's the Olympics. It's not he, Crosby's not coming here. Oh, man, that heart attack was for nothing. I don't know. I just, I feel like the league kind of, they kind of miss the mark on a, like. lot of this stuff. And social media is where everybody consumes their news nowadays. And you're seeing

more and more sports teams trying to be creative and fun with how they announce things. I think the NHL should have done something like that for this. Well, the more of the NHL is the more the federations. Like, you know, hockey Canada, USA hockey. Like they, there's, you're right, Seth. Like I think if you're trying to make the, you know, not even grow the sport, but just to do things a little differently, like you could have just easily have done like a roster reveal. Yeah. Just like, here are the guys. Like, really? We're in 2025.

You know, the NFL every year the schedule comes out and you're waiting for that team that does that super creative reveal or the very controversial reveal. I'm not going to name any teams right now but like again just you don't even need you don't even need to involve the players you could just do it in a fun creative way within your own organizations I yeah I do feel like

it's just so simple to say let's just put a graphic out it's just like everyone does that maybe maybe for the final roster maybe listen to the squad show federations and try to get some a little creative with what you do out there yeah I didn't think I would devote time to talking about the Chargers schedule reveal, but then I guess I didn't feel like, I guess I didn't anticipate that the Minnesota Wild were going to catch a stray in the schedule reveal.

Like, it's just fun stuff like that that you don't expect to have happened is how you generate the buzz. Yeah. So what you're saying is we need to get the San, we need to get the LA Chargers immediate team to come out with an anime type of deal to be like, all right, here's your roster. and it's just everyone just flying it or skating it or whatever. Please know Minnesota wild banners, though. Just make it fun. Just make it fun. All right, that is going to do it for us today.

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