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Episode Date: September 28, 2022

Tuesday night wasn't a kind one to the Pittsburgh Penguins as they fell to the Detroit Red Wings, 6-2. Thankfully though, it was just a preseason game. Hunter is joined by Doug Glattke of Penguins Twitter and of ForecheckingTv as they break down the positives and negatives of the performance. They first start with Brock McGinn as he scored a gorgeous goal to open the scoring. How important is it that he has a bounce-back season this year? What plagued him down the stretch last year? They also discuss the performances of Jason Zucker and Bryan Rust as they both continued to look stellar. Following that, they get into some of the negatives, starting with the special teams. What are the biggest issues with the power play right now? What needs to change so that it's more consistent this season? They then ask the same questions about the PK before touching on the D. They both loved Ty Smith's performance but are concerned about where Brian Dumoulin is right now. Could they have to trade for his replacement during the season if his play doesn't improve? All that, plus much more on this episode of Locked On Penguins.Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!Built BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of the Lockdown Penguins podcast is September 27th. Now, for this episode, we're going to go all into the Penguins' 6-2 preseason and loss of the Red Wings. The Penguins are not one and two on the preseason. No, this is now going to be an overreaction episode or anything like that with two weeks to go until the regular season. I do have a special guest to break down this game.

Look at the negatives. Look at the positives and all that, jazz. That's coming up right after this drop. You're Locked-on Penguins, your daily podcast on the Pittsburgh Penguins, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. I'm your host, Honoredies. You're going to follow me on Twitter, Hunter Hodes, you can also follow the show's Twitter at L.A. Marshall Penguins.

And, of course, thank you all so much for making this your first listen of the day. joining me now he hasn't joined the show in a while was able to get some better lighting at least for the YouTube audience is Doug Glacky host of the Forechecking TV and one of my favorite Penguins follows from Penguins Twitter. Doug you know, we'll just jump right into it. So a six to two loss to the Red Wings tonight

saw some weird overreactions for people saying, well, you know, this is what happens when you bring the same team back and I think Danny Shari quote to read a couple of them. I'm just like, all right, people. There's still two weeks to go. until the regular season starts. Overall, what is your, you know,

the biggest thought coming out of this game? I mean, my thing is this, is like preseason games don't really matter. Various players throughout the top six look pretty good this evening. I think that's a big thing that we're looking for, you know, very underrated game for Brock McGinn, even looking good outside of scoring the goal.

You know, I think that that's something that we need to look forward to or and look for going into the year, especially with the fact that, like, we really haven't seen Brock McGinn at his best. You know, last year he had the injuries. He had the COVID. Absence as well. And I feel like he was not the same player ever since he had to sit out from having COVID. You know, I mean, I feel like he had a really nice start to the year last year. and then he got sick and he just couldn't rebound. And I feel like we could say that for a good bit of,

for several different players from last year's roster. But, yeah, I think, you know, Drew O'Connor looked okay. Jason Zucker looked pretty good, had a nice little play on that pass for the Rusk goal. And, yeah, I think, you know, and obviously we'll get into the Blue Land in a little bit. But I think, you know, at this point, like in games like that, you just look for individual performances, especially in a preseason. game. Yeah, I mean, for me with the preseason, the results really don't matter. I couldn't give two craps if they lose a preseason game. And yeah, I know some people may

come in to tell me and they're like, well, you know, a lot of the regulars just lost to like a C version of the Red Wings. It's like, okay, cool. You know, those guys are fighting for jobs. A lot of these penguin players are going to be on the 23-man roster to open the season. and they look like they were playing hung over after they got drunk off their butts last night. It's September 27th. There are 16 days until the regular season starts for this team. I really don't think they care that much. And speaking of Brock McGinn, funny enough, Doug,

I was looking at the game scores tonight from hockey stack cards. He led all Penguins players in game score, with almost a little over about, I think it was like 1.7, something like that. And funny enough, Brian Rust was right behind him. and then Jason Zucker was right behind him. And that honestly matches up with the eye test. You know, McGinn had that wicked shot on display tonight that opened up the scoring. That's more of what I want to see from him this regular season.

I definitely do agree that, you know, his COVID. And I think the injury that he also had down the stretch really hampered him. He didn't look like the same player in the playoffs. He's able to score double digit goals, which is good. But, you know, he wasn't able last year, I guess, to justify the contract that the Penguins gave him. But if he's able to stay healthy and fire the puck like he did tonight, I definitely think he could be someone that has a much better second year on that four-year term than the first year. Brian Rust, really nice goal off a feed from Jason Zooker, was able to roof that to make it forward to.

I thought he was flying all over the ice. And you know, the same for Zucker. I think he's had a really good camp so far. He's had a really good preseason. I think he has something to prove after, you know, he's just been banged up a lot throughout his penguin's tenure. You know, he's someone that just really can't get to break, to be honest with you. So the fact that he's playing well right now is also doing well in practices.

I think that, I mean, I hope, I hope that it bodes well for the regular season. We also, we also happened last year with Casperi Kappen. This was the exact same thing. Didn't play well in the regular season. But, you know, I think Zooker is, I think has more talent than him. I think he can you know, has a better chance. chance of scoring 20 to 25 or something like that. But no, those were the, I think definitely the three main players that stood out to me.

And we'll get to Ty Smith in a little bit. But I think those are the main three that stood out to me. Yeah, I agree. You know, and to touch on Brock McGinn real quick, I feel like to live up to that contract, it's not really that hard with how good of a defensive presence he is on the ice. All he really has to do is score like 12 to 15 goals a year. and the contract pretty much pays for itself. As for Jason Zucker, this is a big year for him.

You know, he's in a contract year. He's been hurt pretty much the entire time that he's been in Pittsburgh. And, you know, obviously, I feel like expectations have changed ever since he's gotten here. You know, every once we got him from Minnesota, everybody was like, okay, he's going to be a 30-goal guy every single year. play with Sid, play with Gino. But now I think we're to a point now where it's like, you just want Jason Zoker to stay healthy. And we,

I think we're all hoping for him to be a really good third wheel for that of getting Malkin line. You know, I think that you can tell that Mike Sullivan's starting to do the lines in pairs again. We saw that in a Seth Rour of our article last week. And I think, you know, with the doing the lines in pairs, as long as Zucker is able to hold his head above water

on a line with Malkin and Rust. Everything should be okay with his play and the expectation for the player. Yeah, no, I think I would agree with that. And, you know, we were able to see Zulker, Malkin, Russ tonight. You know, they had better numbers than the Gensel-Crosby. Raquel line, if you go to Natural Stactric,

Gensel was on the ice for only four chance, four shot attempts for 11-shot attempts against. Sid, not much better. Four chances for, uh, chances. Um, four shot attempts for, 10 shot attempts against for a 28% of course C percentage. And Ricardo, Raquel's, uh, possession number is only 36%. So, um, not the greatest debut for that line. I'm not really too concerned. I think they're going to want to give both lines more reps, especially in camp, um, and in the preseason. Um, but, you know, I like the potential that both have. We all know how good rust is with Malkin, you know, underlying numbers-wise,

you know, well over 50% and shot attempts per 60, scoring chances, high danger percentage, all that stuff. And, you know, Raquel last year, I know it was a very small sample size, but he looked like a natural fit with Sid and Jake. And, you know, this game, notwithstanding, you know, the numbers have been pretty solid throughout that. And, you know, for the game score tonight, that also, you know, lived up as well. I think Crosby had the third worst game score against all was the fourth worst and Raquel was the fifth worst. So a lot of some of the Penguins top players, not good performances tonight. But am I going to read that much into it? No, I'm not because I'm sure if they all play again in the next game, if they do, I think their numbers would be

a lot better to say the least. Yeah, I agree. You know, and the truth is the people that are reading into it already have a narrative out against this team, which is what it is. You know, and I just want to touch on, you know, them breaking up the Gensel Malkin, or the Gensel-Crosby Rust line. I think that's going to be really, really good in theory. We just have, you just have to wait and see if it works. You know, it's all about lineup distribution. I feel like whenever Russ is on the top line with Sid and Jake, it does make them a little

top-heavy. So if you can put him with Malkin as a way to keep Malkin, I'm not worried about like the so-called get Malkin going. I think Malkin's going to have a great year. But if you put him with, if you put Brian Vrust with Malkin in an effort to unlock Jason Zoker in this offense, I feel like a lot of things are going to take care of itself from a scoring depth perspective. You know, I know everybody's worried about Jeff Carter, but Dan, and Heinen and Casperi Kappen are great third wheels for him in theory if it does indeed end up being in the third line. And, you know, like that's the thing is like you got to spread the talent out throughout all four lines. I feel like that's something that Mike Sullivan got away from a little bit for over the past two to three years ever since we got into the COVID year and the COVID break.

and I'm looking forward to this season. Hopefully they're able to stick with it and he doesn't have to shuffle the lines early on in the year. That would be the best case scenario. Also, it will be awesome if the team could stay healthy, but this is the Pittsburgh Penguins we're talking about here, so I'm sure there's probably bound to be some injuries. At some point, still a lot more to get to for this episode,

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I have Doug Glacky here as my guest. So, Doug, let's start with, I guess, the negative here about this. And special teams, Penguins had eight or nine power plays tonight. Didn't convert on a single one, which is, you know, hard to believe, even though it's a preseason game, looked out of sorts on the power, both units looked out of sorts, disjointed. I tweeted at times. It looked like they were just trying to pass the puck into the net, looked like they were trying to Harlem Globetrotters against it just a bunch of kids.

I guess it's kind of expected in a way. They're just trying to look for the perfect play against a lot of players that aren't going to be in the NHL this year. But sometimes less is more and they needed to just get back to basics. I think Mike Sullivan talked about it after the game that they haven't had a lot of reps, but certainly they are going to now because this performance was definitely not that inspiring. and I didn't really notice anything different systematically, which is kind of weird considering how average the unit was last year.

What did you think of that power play? And are you any concerned about it going into this evening? I am concerned about it. And I feel like this is something that we've been discussing off and on for quite a few years now. you know the big issue is it's like the special teams aspect of the team is starting to get stale a little bit you know and it's not a I don't really think it's a personnel issue either I mean you have three of the most talented players of this era on the ice with two of your star counterparts you should be able to put the puck in the back of that you know this isn't This is something that, in my opinion, has been hindering them ever since they traded Castle away. For whatever reason, Phil Castle was just so talented on the power play that he was able to really unlock the true potential of the Penguin's power play when during his time here.

And I think, I mean, I don't really think you need to switch it up. And the truth is, if you were to switch something up from a player personnel perspective, the only thing you're probably, really switching up is like rust for Raquel, you know, or, and I really don't think there's any other options, you know, and it's all about like, I think it comes down to coaching, you know, same with the PK. You know, the PK is going to be a major point of contention this year, I fear, because Tristan Jari was incredible in penalty kill situations last year, and it made the penalty kill look way better than what it actually is in my opinion it surely did um you know backtracking a little bit uh to get back to the power play i'm going to get to that and just a second because i have

a stat to share with all the listeners here about the penalty kill and stuff and tris and jari um you know it's just it definitely i think it does it does come down to coaching um i saw the same stuff that we saw last season you know passes off the end boards going back with the drop pass just really bad passes going into the zone not a lot of clean zone entries that's been a problem for them the last year or two. And then once they get into the zone, it's just, oh, pass to you. Oh, I'm going to pass back. And I'll pass again.

And then another pass. And it's like, you know, not taking enough shots to the net. You're trying to pass it in. You're trying to Harlem Globetrotter kids. It's not going to work. And, you know, again, Mike Sullivan talked about it after the game. He said they haven't had a lot of reps in games and camp and all that just because, you know, the schedule's been really busy.

Okay. Well, maybe it's time to start giving you some reps. because 0 for 8, 0 for 9 against a bunch of players who are probably not going to be in the NHL, definitely a little bit cause for concern. I'm not going to sit here and say, oh, well, the power play's going to stink this year and all that. I mean, you know, there's going to be hot moments for this unit just because of the talent that they have. And there's also going to be some bad moments. But I think the big key is to manage those bad moments and for them to not pop up as much as they did last year

and to maybe make some changes to the system where, you know, you're making it easier for the players to gain entry to the zone with the puck. And, you know, you're preaching, you know, more of a shoot-first mentality. You know, I know these players have been doing a power play for almost two decades of their life. And this one probably longer in the NHL almost. But, you know, less is more. And, you know, I didn't see that tonight against a PK unit that, you know, is honestly not that good, to be honest with you. And, you know, for the penalty kill. Here's a stat for you, Doug, and all the listeners.

Tristan Jari ranked in the 99th percentile last year in goals stayed above expected in penalty kill situations. He bailed their butts out more times than not and made that unit, as you said, look better than it did. And oh, what happened when he got hurt down the stretch and into the playoffs? The numbers regressed because, oh, Louis Deming is in net. I mean, obviously, Louis Deming is not Trichon Jari, but still, when you put someone else in net, that is not in the 99th percentile for goals stayed above expected on the penalty kill, you know, you're not going to have those kind of same kind of results. And also for as good as I think Jari is going to be this year,

one of my bowl predictions that he's going to be a Vesna finalist, I don't know if he's going to rank in the 99th percentile for goals hit above expected on the penalty hill. So that is a unit that needs to be better. I saw some of the same things I saw during the playoffs and during parts of the regular season where they're just not being aggressive enough. They're sitting back. They're allowing players to take shots from anywhere on the ice.

didn't really see anything different systematically on that unit two. You know, I know the Penguins just gave their two assistant coaches some extensions, but, you know, those intentions, they're not going to look the prettiest if the special team units that they coach have more of the same results this season. Yeah, I agree. You know, and another thing with the PK is like, It all comes down to the PK grippings and the PK personnel, you know. I mean, we can already pretty much predict what the penalty is going to be opening night.

Obviously, you're going to have McGinn and Blugher, which is okay. But, you know, it's probably going to be Jeff Carter and Drew O'Connor on that second unit, which isn't either here nor there. But in terms of the aggressiveness aspect, I feel like if they finally started using Kisperi Kapp in penalty kill situations, you could amp up the aggressiveness because he's fast enough and he's enough of a speed demon. He's able to wreak havoc on a penalty kill, in my opinion. You know, he did that a lot in Toronto. He was pretty good at it in Toronto. I think it's something worth exploring at least because you need to be able to, you need to spice it up a little

but I think, you know, I mean, Jeff Carter's going to have to center, but if Drew O'Connor struggles out of the gate on the PK, I would look to see that, you know, and go from there. Yeah, I mean, I think another player who, you know, I don't know if you mentioned him yet, maybe you maybe did, but I think Kisbury Kappin should be getting more PK minutes when he's healthy. I know he was sick tonight. He played really good on that unit in Toronto.

I had some good results. I think it was 2018-19 when he had, it's probably his best, national season. I would look for him to potentially get more minutes, whether it's on the first, I don't think it'll be on the first unit, but second unit, maybe a third kind of unit of players that go out there. I think that would also be really good. You know, maybe gets him more confidence, gets him more opportunities to put the puck in

the back of the net. You can use his speed to his advantage. I've been a big proponent of that throughout the offseason, and I think that would really make a lot of sense. What would you think about that? Yeah, I agree. you know and I feel like with PK units you always have that fifth guy you rotate in he should be that fifth guy you know I feel like last year they were using Brian Boyle and Evan Rodriguez in that same type of role and both of those players have departed so somebody else has to step up and you know it's probably going to be it could be cappinen but also you're going to probably see a rotation of Brian Rust in there which would be okay but I would prefer them to defer to capon and in that situation because I don't want them to take away from Brian Russ at 5V5 and on the power play

to use him on the PK. Yeah. No, I think that that's totally fair to say. You know, definitely, I think, a good idea, you know, to put in the backburner, say, least we'll have to see if maybe he gets some PK time when he inevitably plays in another preseason game. So a little more to get to for this episode, including some talk on Ty Smith and the rest of the defenseman.

That's all coming up right after our final command. commercial break. All right, I'm back in this episode of the Lockdown Penguins podcast. I am your host, Hunter Hodes. We're going to follow me on Twitter, Hunter Hodes, follow the show, Twitter, Eleanor Hens for Penguins. And, of course, thank you all so much for making this your first listen of the day. So, Doug, let's get to the defense. You know, we saw potentially the six players that are going to be on the opening night, well, opening night, well, definitely be on the opening night, well, definitely be on the opening night, but definitely, potentially all starting on opening night,

Dumont-Latang, Peders and Petrae, Smith, and Ruta. I know you were texting me about this, but I loved watching Ty Smith tonight. His skating is so fluid. Definitely, I think, the best attribute of his game. Sometimes it wasn't making the best decision coming up the ice with the puck. But, I mean, his skating is something to behold. It was really nice seeing him quarterback, the second power play unit. I think in terms of game score, if I look at it here,

He, you know, defensively, he ranked positive offensively. He did not him and Yan Ruto were a bit negative in that category. So kind of, you know, a wash in those kind of areas. But, you know, through a couple of preseason games so far, I've been really impressed with him, just, you know, with his playmaking ability in the offensive zone, his skating ability. Offensively, you know, there will obviously be some things to clean up a little bit. They're sheltering on the third pairing like they did with Mike Matheson, which is good.

What have you seen from Smith so far that's really jumped out at you? I feel like a lot of the things that we've seen thus far have been very encouraging, especially from the skating aspect. You know, it's not just like good fluid skating. Like I feel like he's very, very explosive, especially skating zone entries into the offensive zone. You know, obviously this is going to be a process with him. You know, his numbers were really, really bad last year.

And I think, you know, there's still going to be those moments where he does look bad. But I feel like the good is going to far outweigh the bad, especially with him quarterbacking, potentially quarterbacking the second unit. I mean, we don't really know what it's fully going to look like once camp breaks, but I'd look to see him quarterback that second unit. I feel like you need to be able to, I feel like the best thing for him is to have him use his offensive instincts, especially on the power play. And another thing that I really want to see is

I want him to play the right side. I want Ruta on the left and tie on the right. I think that you need to open up the backdoor passes, you know, especially when he's out being deployed with SIDS line. You know, this is nothing new for Sidney Crosby hitting up a defenseman with the backdoor pass. I think that it would really be a good second very option for scoring, potentially, if it works.

So there's my hot take of the episode, Hunter. There is a hot take right there. So you would have both of them on their offside, basically, and sheltered minutes. Yes. And I mean, Ruta has played the left side before, and Ty Smith played a lot of the right side while he was playing junior in Spokane. And if I do, I do believe his rookie season in New Jersey. Jersey was played predominantly on the right side as well.

So I think it's something worth exploring at least to start. That would be interesting. I'm not really sure if Mike is going to go for it just because he usually likes playing players on their strong side except Mark Friedman. He loves playing him on the left for some reason, even though he's a rightee. So it could have a chance of happening, but I think it's, I guess, more likely that he'll probably start on his strong side. Moving gears a little bit, Doug. Brian Dumlin, you know, was bad a game score tonight, at least worst among all Penguins defensemen, almost a negative

one when it comes to offense and defense. Letang didn't have a good performance, but I'm not really worried about him. But, you know, Dumlin, a lot of concern about him coming into this season. Last year, his contract, I was one of the people that thought, you know, he should be the one to go this off season, even though it would have been interesting to see how they would have replaced him. Definitely not an encouraging performance. I think overall his skating looked a step slow. He just hasn't been the same since another long-term injury. And I think, you know, that has the potential to sadly rear its ugly head again this season

just because he wasn't good last year. I think of all players that played tonight, the one player I'm actually most concerned about, even though it's a preseason game, is Brian Dumlin. I totally agree with you there. And the issue is, is it's always those defensemen that play the style that Doomlin plays. They tend to get injured very frequently,

and then their play just suddenly falls off a cliff once they get to this age plateau that Doom one's at right now. You know, and that's the issue. Like, it was blatantly obvious. The skating was not good. And I think, you know, it's a cause for concern because the last thing you want is for a player to be sinking Chrysletang, you know, especially with how good of a year he had last year. Um, and the, the main issue right now is like, how the hell do you replace him? Like, if you do have to pull the plug, how do you really replace him?

you know because peterson looks peterson looks like he's going to be partner with petri and i think that that's something that needs to happen and you're not going to put tie smith up there like there's no way that would be a disaster you're not going to put poj up there either no you know so really like what are you going to have to what do you what do you know

they have to almost trade for someone at some point but they also have nine defensemen right now and i don't think they really want to do that again So it's just a tough problem that what they're going to do, I think they're going to have to hope beyond hope that last year was just a fluke and that he can get back to his normal self. But if not, they might be up a creek on the top pairing this year because that was last year was I think the first year where we really saw that pairing struggle beyond belief no matter than what the situation was. Yes, I agree.

You know, and it's even scarier because you think of it, like, once we get into a second half of the year, what is, what exactly is that going to look like? You know, and you're right. I mean, they are, for lack of a better term, they're screwed. Like, they have to stick with Duman because you're not going to stick Mark Friedman up there. You're not sticking Chad will on its offside. And as much as I want to see POJ play, putting him up there with Chris Lattang at this point would be putting him in a position to fail. Yeah, I mean, they tried that, I think a couple seasons ago, and the other nine numbers were not pretty. I think the possession was below 50%.

Squintends were below 50. That was when the Penguins had, I think, a lot of defensemen hurt or out to COVID. It just, it wasn't pretty. Doug, you got anything else to add about this game? any other any overreactions or anything with two weeks to go or do you think we covered everything just wanted to give you the floor one more time no real overreactions here um you know one thing I'm curious about though is Drake Cajula do you think he has a spot on this roster you know I'm intrigued about here that okay go ahead yeah no I know I'm definitely and I try to interrupt you

finish up after this I mean I definitely I'm intrigued about the possibility I thought he played fine tonight didn't really stand out either way but no that's basically kind of what a tweener player does he's on a two-way contract so he's um waiver exempt um he doesn't need to pass the waivers to go back down to wilkesbury um i'm more excited about him than i am about someone like josharchibald i think he brings more offense to his game i think he's better defensively um i think he i don't think archibald has guaranteed anything at this one anyway even though he's on a one-way deal but um gojula you know the fact that he was in tonight he i don't know if he would have he would have been out if Kappan would have played.

But the fact that he was in and, you know, someone like Archibald was out, you know, I think that's definitely something to monitor. But I'm sure they're all going to get reps in the final three preseason games as they try to figure this thing out. Yeah, I feel like if anyone would have sat sat tonight, it would have probably been redeems or hornet. But I'm also very intrigued about Kujula because like he just seems like one of those players where it's like, if you get him into this structured Mike Sullivan system, You could probably stick him on a fourth line with Teddy Blugger and Brock McGinn.

And he not look out of place and potentially score some goals here and there and be a good asset to the team. That would certainly be good. You know, I'm going to have to see if he keeps playing well in camp and plays well in preseason. But, you know, he definitely has a decent shot at, you know, making this roster out of camp. And I'm certainly excited about that. But I think that wraps up tonight's episode. Doug, I don't know. You have too many other thoughts about this game.

after all, again, it's just a preseason. But Doug, for those that have never listened to you before, let everyone know where they can follow you and what's coming up on the show. All right. You can follow my personal Twitter at Doug underscore Glacky and then follow Forechecking TV on Twitter at Forechecking TV.

And be sure to subscribe to Forechecking TV on YouTube. Scotty and I have really resolved our work schedule differences here. And we're going to start recording every single weekend. Saturdays and it'll be posted every week. So there you go. Yeah, go check out the show. You know, they do a really good job there. As for this show, I'll back with another episode for you all on Wednesday and then Thursday and Friday. We're just about two weeks away from the start of the regular season. And, you know, I'm glad we're talking about hockey games at this point, even though it's preseason that doesn't mean anything, but, you know, still beats,

you know, beating the same drum about the same topic three to five days a week. That's for sure. But again, thank you all so much for listening, and I'll talk with you all on Wednesday.