Locked On Penguins - Daily Podcast On The Pittsburgh Penguins - Penguins acquire forward Cody Glass from Nashville

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

The trade Pittsburgh has been waiting for finally happened! No, no that one - the Penguins acquired forward Cody Glass from the Nashville Predators and on this edition of the Locked On Penguins Podcast, Patrick and Hunter discuss how they liked the deal and where Glass fits in their lineup. With that in mind, they also discuss how now something has to give in the bottom six. Which players could Kyle Dubas move in order to fit all of these new-found bottom six forwards? Finally, after the St. Louis Blues tendered two offer sheets, they looked into a player the Penguins could potentially try to pry out of one of Canada's franchises.Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!eBay MotorsFor parts that fit, head to eBay Motors and look for the green check. Stay in the game with eBay Guaranteed Fit at eBayMotors.com. Let’s ride. eBay Guaranteed Fit only available to US customers. Eligible items only. Exclusions apply.GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONNHL for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply.FanDuelFanDuel, America’s Number One Sportsbook. As playoffs wind down, the sports stop sporting like we want them to. But this summer, FanDuel is hooking up ALL CUSTOMERS with a boost or a bonus, DAILY! That’s right, there’s something for everyone, every day, all summer long! Visit FANDUEL.COM and add a big win to your summer bucket list!FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The trade that Pittsburgh has been eagerly awaiting happened on Tuesday. Hunter and I are going to talk about that and more on this edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. Your Locked-on Penguins. Your daily podcast on the Pittsburgh Penguins. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network. Your team every day. Hello and welcome back to another edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. I'm one of your host, Patrick Damp.

You can follow me on Twitter at Synonym 4Wet. joined as always by the one and only Hunter Hodes. You can follow him on Twitter at Hunter Hodes. You can give our show's account a follow at L.O. underscore Penguins. And we thank you for making this your first listener watch of the day because we're your team every day. And don't forget that we are free and available

wherever you get your podcasts as well as YouTube. And before we get started today, today's episode is brought to you by GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account, and use code locked on NHL for $20. your first purchase terms apply so my apologies to our good friend and colleague over at locked on steelers chris carter no i'm not referring to a brandon iuk trade i know how much fun he has getting inundated with questions on his show about what's the latest with brandon iuk and there's no

latest to be had so just had to poke fun at that one but the penguins did make a couple of moves on Tuesday. Kyle Dubus woke from his slumber and made a couple of moves. The first one, as I called it, of all the trades to happen in the history of the National Hockey League, this was without a doubt one of them. The Penguins got a 2026 second round pick and a 2025 third round pick from the St. Louis Blues in exchange for a 2025 second round pick and a 2026 fifth round pick. So the penguins basically just did a pick swap as we come to find out. It's also something we'll talk about a little bit later in the show. The Blues basically needed those should this offer sheet they sent over to the Edmonton Oilers does get accepted. That will be compensation that goes

back to the Edminton Oilers. So you've got to figure that also closes the future considerations part of the Kevin Hayes trade. But then a few hours later, they announce yet another trade. The Penguins receive from the Nashville Predators, forward Cody Glass, a 2025 third round pick, and a 2026th round pick in exchange for Jordan Frasca. Don't know who that guy is.

Couldn't tell you. But basically, Hunter, I don't want to steal your thunder on this one, but this does really fit the mold of what Kyle Dubus has been saying he wants to do with this team since this offseason began. So with that in mind, I will let you take the reins and break this down for the people. Yeah.

So the first trade was definitely a bit weird at the start just because they gave the Blues that second round pick that they got along with Kevin Hayes earlier this year. They just gave it right back. And everyone was just like, well, why are you doing that? Well, as you said, Pat, the Blues decided to offer sheet both Broberg and Holloway from the Oilers. And don't get me wrong, people. I love offer sheets. We need more offer sheets. I love that Darg Armstrong is kind of doing this to Stan Bowman.

Maybe it's like a little bit of the Blackhawks Blues rivalry from back in the day. But also, it's always fun to screw over the Oilers at least a little bit, right? So I love offer sheets. I want more offer sheets. They need to come back even more in the NHL. And the Oilers, they're going to have a couple tough decisions here just because of their cap situation. They got to figure out what's happening with Evander Kane, all that stuff. But now with both trades, you get basically the,

Penguins with the Kevin Hayes trade, they got Kevin Hayes, a 2026 second round pick and a 2025 third round pick just for a fifth round pick in the 2026 NHL draft. That is a slam dunk overall. I obviously liked the Kevin Hayes trade. I like it even more now considering, yeah, maybe it's a little annoyed that they gave back that second, but you still got two extra picks and you're only giving up a fifth round pick to get that player and you're hoping for a balance back. So that's all fine and dandy. And then for Cody Glass, this is the exact type of player that Kyle Dubus was talking about acquiring after he did his things on July 1st. He even said, we'll be looking for younger players who maybe need a bit of a change of scenery,

but can help us for this year and for years to come. You get that player in Cody Glass from the Predators, a player who was picked fairly high in the NHL draft, the 2017 NHL draft, I should say, sixth overall by the Vegas Golden Knights. There was once upon a time he was considered their top prospect. He goes to Nashville. He really just didn't work out in Vegas during his two seasons there. He only had nine goals. Also, also, fun fact about Cody Glass, first ever draft pick by the Vegas Golden Knights.

That was the 2017 NHL draft, their first NHL draft. So a little bit of a history making pick there for Cody Glass. Yeah, absolutely. And again, he was considered one of their top prospects overall before he went to the Predators, didn't have a good year in 21, 22, but in 22, 23, by far his best season, 72 games, 14 goals, 35 points in those games. Then this year only played in 41 games, six goals, 13 points in 41 games.

This is the exact type of player that you want Kyle Dubus to go after to see if he can recapture that form that he had in 22, 23. Oh yeah, and you're getting picks out of it. This is what Kyle Dubus is going to continue to do with his transactions. He's going to load up on picks so you can hit on maybe a player in the mid-round that can be in the NHL several years down the line. But they're obviously doing this rebuild on the fly. They're not saying it, but that's exactly what this is.

They are going to keep doing it. So for as mad as maybe some people want to be, there's really no reason to because at least they have a plan in place here overall. I know I kept saying I want them to keep going forward and going forward until they can't anymore. They're obviously not doing that. They've changed plans. So with that, I've kind of changed my tune a little bit in just reacting to what Dubus is doing after what he says he's going to do compared to what I maybe would personally want him to do for this score. So I know that was maybe a little confusing.

I think you understand what I'm trying to say there, but I like Glassman. I think his underwings in 22, 23 were really strong. When he was on the ice, 34 goals for, 21 goals against, about 50% expected goals for rate, 50% scoring chances for rate, 54% high danger chances for rate. That's by far his best season. If he can recapture that magic with the Penguins

and maybe even be a bit better, I will be even more on board with this move than I already am. But total slam dunk move for Kyle Dubus in my opinion. Yeah, this was a very good day for him, if you ask me. And it's another low risk, high reward move because he only makes $2.5 million against salary cap. He's an RFA at the end of this upcoming season. And with that in mind, he works cheap. So if he doesn't totally recapture that,

22, 23 Magic, where he puts up 35 points. You're not exactly paying a guy a boatload of money. Now, I do don't exactly love 2.5 million for a guy who only gets a handful of points. But at the same time, you have that and you go into a restricted free agency. You either don't tender him an offer and he leaves or he's not going to have an offer worth a whole heck of a lot. And you can hope that, again, he bounces back. And to your point, I like this in the sense that at the end of the Jim Rutherford era and then through Hextall and Burke, it really didn't feel like there was a plan.

It just felt like they were throwing everything at the wall and they were going to see what stuck. And it frustrated all of us, whether it was handing out big money deals to guys who didn't really deserve them, a la Jeff Carter. if you let a lot of guys walk like Evan Rodriguez, who goes on to become a Stanley Cup champion with the Florida Panthers and is a key contributor throughout their run. And you bring in a lot of guys who are underwhelming and you let other good talent walk away without an offer. This plan may not be the sexiest.

It may not be the most exciting. But they told you what they're going to do. They told you that they are going to go out. They're going to look for some reclamation projects. They're going to stockpile assets when it comes to draft capital and prospects if they can get their hands on them. And they're going to try to have the next generation sort of in place by the time all the big names call it a career so that instead of plunging into five, six years of darkness where this team is just in the basement and fighting against it, you'll at least have some kind of competitive hockey to watch and to play rather than just going,

okay, this year the penguins are going to be terrible. Let's pay attention to Wilkes-Ber and Wheeling and then let's follow every draft analysis we can. There'll be a team that can at the very least kind of compete and then you can figure out from there, okay, do we have building blocks in place that can make this a contender or do we finally go into a full-scale rebuild? This is as much of a rebuild, if you want to call it that. Rebuild on the fly is they're going to do with the big guns still on the team. And I know they're not trying to be good this year.

I think best case scenario, they maybe get in the playoffs potentially win around. But again, that's best case scenario overall. But when I look at the moves that Kyle Dubus has made this summer, he's not trying to be good for this season. He's trying to be good in the future. I think, again, best case scenario, this team is better than expected this year. I know there's quite a bit of optimism going around right now, and I love that from the fan base. Hopefully, that comes true. But I guess I have, again, changed my stance a little bit and just reacting to what Kyle Dubus is doing after what he said he was going to do rather than what I want him to do.

Because I said all along, if I were in charge, I would have just, you know, kept going forward and going forward just because I knew the rebuild was coming. They were going to suck no matter what. obviously that's not going to happen because they change plans. So I'm going to change with that and just react to what he's doing after what he said the plan was after the season. So just want to get that out there as well. And I did love how Kyle Dubus decided to wake up yesterday in light of all of these Brandon Ayuk rumors with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

It's funny. It's like Kyle Dubas was like, okay, Omar Khan, I've waited long enough. I'm going to make a couple moves today. and you can wait at some point. And also, I did find it funny. Elliot Freeman comes out of his slumber as well. Tweets, I'm hearing Cody Glass is coming to Pittsburgh. The return doesn't get leaked for an hour.

It's just like, I guess everyone went to drinking their margaritas at their cottages and stuff like that. But I just found that funny overall as well. But I'm excited for Glass to come here. I think it's a nice, fresh start for him. But this is a very jam-packed bottom six now. And training camp is going to be a lot of fun. to look at to see who is going to be in the line combinations for the bottom six once the season starts in October.

And this is how you know Hunter Hodes has been hosting this show forever, because that was going to be my toss to break right there that now all of a sudden, with the Cody Glass acquisition, we've got a log jam in the bottom six. And we are going to talk about that in our second segment right after this. But before we do that, we have to tell you about our first sponsor. And that is game time. Yes, it's been a struggle for the Pittsburgh Pirates lately, but you still have the chance to go out and see a pretty good pitching staff,

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Download GameTime today, last-minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. All right, we're back here on the Wednesday edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. I'm Patrick Damp. That's Hunter Hodes. Thank you, as always, for making us part of your daily routine. We truly appreciate it, even here in the dog days of summer. But as we said, with training camp looming in just about a month or so, now of a sudden, you look at this penguin's roster and what they've done over this summer through free agency,

through trades now with acquiring Cody Glass via a trade. We have a serious log jam in the bottom six. You look at a lot of these names, Noelle Achari, Anthony Bavillier, Lars Eller, Cody Glass, Kevin Hayes, Blake Lazott, Matt Nietto, even guys like DOC and Yes, He Poo-Y-RV. So a lot of names, not a lot of spots. You look at this right now, Hunter, and I think this tells us, us Kyle Dubus's work is nowhere near done.

As much as I like this deal regarding Cody Glass and I obviously think he's going to be in this opening night lineup, something has got to be done with regards to another trade. If I had to guess, and this is a strict guess on the show, Lars Eller could be moved out before the start of the season. I think there will be teams interested in him. Elliot Freeman on 32 thoughts around the draft said that the penguins were kind of calling a couple teams about Eller, especially guy. one of them was the Buffalo Sabres, seeing if they were interested.

There's still a couple months to go until the season starts. You do sometimes see some movement around training camp, but something's got to give here. You can't take all these players into the regular season as is. That's just not going to happen. And with Matt Nietto, I think he's going to be out to start the season anyway with his injury situation. I don't think he's going to be ready for the start of the regular season. But for everyone else, again, there has to be at least one or two moves, potentially made before the start of the season because you have all these players vying

for spots of bottom six, right? What about the other players down, you know, in Wilkesbury, Braden Yeager that are also trying to make this team pat, you know, players that are trying to get on this team for the first time in their career? So it's a pretty big logjam overall, and Dubus has two months to figure it out. But if I were a betting man, I do think a move is going to be made. And if I had to guess, I do think it's going to be Eller that goes out. Maybe it's a chari, one of those two.

But if I had to guess, I do think it's Eller, considering all of the center death that the penguins have in their bottom six right now. Yeah. And you also look at it from this perspective, too. Lars Eller, one year left, $2.45 million. Yes, he's 35. But you look at the way he produced last year at 35 in essentially a third line role, just because of the way the Penguins roster was set up. 15 goals, 16 assists, 31 points in a full 82 games.

If you're a true contending team, you look at a Lars Eller and think, if this guy's our fourth line center, he could really put us over the top because that's solid production for a guy on a contending team that's looking for good production out of their fourth line. Excuse me, I had a little bit of a brain fart there. But and then you add in 2.45 million with where the salary cap is and where it's going.

That's working cheap in your bottom six, especially on your fourth line for 15 goals. So I do think if you're Kyle Dubas, you're probably reopening that channel of communication with other teams simply because you look at it as a mutually beneficial trade. The penguins will be able to shed some salary, open up some opportunities for some younger guys that they want to give a shot, especially a few of the players that they acquired in the Jake Gensel trade from Carolina, because by all accounts, those guys are knocking at the door. They might not totally be ready, but if you can platoon them up one or two at a time throughout the season and give them four, five, six, seven game looks and see where they're at before maybe bringing them up full time, that helps if you can send them. to L or out. And then... It also opens up more cap space because right now if you look at Puckpedia

and I know poor cat friendly is not up anymore, but Puckpedia is still doing a pretty sound job, excuse me, but you look at their projected cap space, it's not even 1.1 million right now. They have a little bit of wiggle room, but it's not that much.

I definitely think Dubas is going to want to at least open up a little more cap space heading into the season and maybe try to recoup more picks. You look at their picks these next two years, Pat, they have a first round pick none in the second at least right now, but I do think Dubus could recoup one at some point over the next calendar year. Two in the third, one in the fourth, two in the fifth, one in the sixth, one in the seventh, two in the second, two in the third, one in the fourth, two in the seventh, no picks in the fifth or sixth round.

You know what they're doing. They're going to keep loading up on picks for those two drafts, but I definitely do think they want to open up a little bit more wig room just because, you know, right now not even 1.1 million per puckpedia. it's not enough. Yeah. And I mean, you look at it, as I was saying, to complete my thought here, from the aspect of a contender, too, you're probably not going to have to give up a ton to get him because we have seen this throughout the off season.

When Kyle Dubus makes moves, he's not asking for the sun of the moon. You toss him a couple draft picks or a B or C level prospect. He'll hand you someone like Lars Eller. And as much as I liked the way he played last year, I would not complain if he was on the Penguins again this year because I thought he brought a very good game to the roster, especially on a team that even all these years later where Crosby and them are absolute veterans and all that, he still plays a very mature game, a very two-way straightforward game that's still very valuable in the National Hockey League. but you add in the fact that Kyle Dubus is trying to do this retool on the fly. Lars Eller probably has more value with a contender. And you have, like we said, a log jam in the bottom six and a handful of guys who are trying to make it into the national hockey league. It almost looks like Eller is just simply the odd man out.

Well, he had more archari. I would lean towards Eller, but with just the amount of players they've added to the bottom six over the summer here, you know, obviously, even outside of class, Kevin Hayes, you know, he can play center. Blake LaZot, he can definitely play center. He's been a center throughout his career. And now you add Glass, who's played center a lot through his career. He can also play wing. I would not be surprised if Glass maybe gets a little bit of time with Sidney Crosby potentially at points this season. I know at least right now, just based on the moves they've made, it still looks like Drew O'Connor is going to get that first crack. But I still could see Glass potentially getting a crack up

with Crosby and Rust if maybe something doesn't work with O'Connor or he gets hurt, something like that, but I could see the penguins moving him to wing. He's had a little bit of experience there during his career, but just based on the amount of centers they've added, just feels like one too many right now for the team. And Pat,

just because I am a sicko, I know you didn't know who Jordan Frosco was, but he played on wheeling this past season. I had this in my notes, excuse me, for today's show. 11 goals, 33 points in 40 games. This year only had one assist in a playoff games for the wing, wheeling, I played a few games in Wilkesbury overall, but spent most of this season and Wheeling. I'm sure he'll be in Nashville's farm system for this upcoming season, but still, really not much to lose over overall for the Penguins.

No, and apologies to my former employer for not knowing one of the players. Shame on me for six weeks as the great Mike Lang once said, but that'll do it here for our second segment. We talked about it a little bit early on in the show. We're going to bring it on to Penguins land a little bit, but it's offer sheet. season and there is an interesting one that the penguins could maybe look to do to bolster their forward depth this season. Hunter and I'll get into that right after this. We have to tell you about our next sponsor and that is eBay Motors. Passion driving patience, the formula for winning championships is also what keeps your rider die alive. eBay Motors has everything you need to

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all right welcome back to the wednesday edition of the locked on penguins podcast i'm one of your host patrick damp that's hunter hoodies thanks again for making this part of your daily routine here in the dog days of summer but even though it is the dog days of summer we got some action in the national hockey league yesterday we find out that the st louis blues have tendered offer sheets to two edmonton oilers players they they give a two point two million dollar offer sheet for Holloway and a $4.5 million offer sheet for Broberg. Both are two-year offers. And this is something we don't see a lot. And before I really dig into this, I want to kind of build on something you said in the first segment about wanting to see more offer sheets. I absolutely loathe the

fact that there's this gentleman's agreement in the National Hockey League to not offer sheet players. It's a competitive league. It's the most competitive, most high-stakes hockey league. the planet. Screw your gentleman's agreement. Try to win. I don't care if you got to deal with them later. This is a cutthroat league. You should be trying to win.

I don't care if you think it's going to. We need more dedicated haters, man. That's what we need at this point. We need more true dedicated haters as GMs to just send these offer sheets as like, you know what I'm going to screw you here. And that's exactly what Dargarmstrong is doing to Edmonton, especially with our cap situation. So we need more of this. These are two pretty sound.

We've seen a couple in pastures that have really not been that good. These two, Edmondson's going to really have to think about these, considering their cap situation. This is going to be a gigantic decision for them because something else that they need to figure out as well is Leon Drysidal's coming up. That's a huge decision for them. So anyway, away from that, there is an interesting way the penguins could throw their hat in the offer sheet ring. and it could make Kyle Dubus one of those dedicated haters that Hunter's talking about. If you have been following the Toronto Maple Leafs this offseason,

yes, they just named Austin Matthews their captain. Congratulations to him for being the first American-born captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs. We love to see that. But Nicholas Robertson once out of Toronto, they did tender him an offer. It's a simple $800,000, a little bit over offer for them. If the penguins were to offer sheet him, and this is, according to Kelsey Sermatt, she works for the hockey news. She's one of the best follows on penguins' Twitter, one of the smartest people you can follow.

But she wrote about this in the hockey news and said, if the penguins were to offer sheet him anywhere between $1.51 and $2.29 million, the compensation should he agree to it to send back to the Maple Leafs is a third round pick. penguins got enough of those and Robertson is a pretty young, pretty promising forward who has shown he can play in a top six role with some limitations but he's got a ton of room to grow and this lines up to where

yeah the penguins might not have the cap space right now but we know this. One, you don't got to be cap compliant until the first game of the regular season so they can figure this out. We also talked about it in the previous segment. they're going to have to likely make a move to move the bottom six out and make sure we've got this settled. But if I'm Kyle Dubis, I'm making this offer sheet.

I would. I mean, you definitely will have him be more of a villain in Toronto than he already is. But Robertson's not going to command that much on an offer sheet anyway. It's going to be a bit similar to what Holloways was, maybe a bit less. And as you said, the penguins have the pick that will get it done for the offer sheet. So I agree. I would do it. I mean, this past season in Toronto, 56 games, 14 goals, 27 points in those 56 games.

He's a good bottom six presence. He brings a bit more often right now than some of the players in the Penguins' bottom six. Oh, I will say if you do offer sheet him and you do get him in this pure hypothetical, I think that means potentially another player may have to be moved before the season. It may not just be someone like Lars Eller, for example. It may be potentially him, Anachari, him and someone else potentially. but I do think this opens the room for the penguins to make more than one move. I think they would definitely have to.

I also think it would signal something we've talked about this summer as well, is that we know that along with now having a log jam in the bottom six, they've got a log jam in net away from just Jari and Nadelcovic. They've got a lot of guys in the pipeline right now who aren't just career AHLers or career ECHLers. They're guys who want to move up the last. They are guys who want to become NHL goalies. And we know that there are teams who will pay a nice little price for a solid goaltending prospect. And the penguins got quite a few of them.

So I think if you were to do this, you would also eventually have to move someone like Eller just because of like we said, the log jam in the bottom six. But then you can also solve that problem of you bring in an impact forward who has a ton of potential. He's younger. He's got speed. He does play with some bite. as well. He's not afraid to mix it up when he has to. And if you do that, that's a nice little spark

for this penguin's roster. And you get one of those goalies out. And we know that there's one thing Kyle Dubus loves to do. He does write by players a lot. He does write by his guys a lot. He's not going to play the hardest hardball. But if he has a guy who has the ability to go be an impact player somewhere else and the opportunities just not in the cards for him with the organization he's running. He will send him somewhere where he can get that. And you look at this goalie lineup that they have behind Jari Nadelcovic, a lot of those guys fit that bill. Yeah, I can see them potentially packaging one of those goalies and, you know, one of those forwards that may not be able to just be on the team just because there's so many bottom six fours. I could see

dubas packaging those two together for maybe draft picks, process. Some like that. Maybe not goal-tending prospects, Pat, but, you know, forwarder defensive prospects. I can totally see Dubus making that sort of trade before the season. It makes a ton of sense if you ask me. Also for Robertson, since he's a winger, you can also maybe try him out on Crosby's line if you maybe don't want to put

O'Connor up there to start the season. Again, right now it's trying that way, and I totally understand why. But, you know, why not maybe try Robertson out with Crosby and Rust if you do get him in this very hypothetical? It's probably not going to happen. I don't think they are going to offer sheep, Robertson. But man, it would be so much fun. And it would also be quite awesome to see how Maple Leafs fans react to do this, doing that

to his former employer. It would be the highest of drama. And I would be here for all of that mess. So, Kyle, if you're listening, tender that offer sheet. But that will do it here for us on the Wednesday edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. Thank you as always. for tuning in. Hunter and I will be back with a brand new

episode for you on Friday. But until then, thanks again for listening for Hunter Hodes. I'm Patrick Damp. We will talk to you once again on Friday.