Locked On Penguins - Daily Podcast On The Pittsburgh Penguins - Penguins captain Sidney Crosby speaks out on Monday!

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

Pittsburgh Penguins general manager Kyle Dubas and star forward Sidney Crosby love to yap and they sure did on Monday. Hunter and Patrick start the show by discussing some of Dubas's comments to Jeff Marek on The Sheet, which was a great interview. After that, they dive into more of Sidney Crosby's comments to the media, and why he loves Pittsburgh so much. They also discuss his comments about tanking and why nobody should be surprised by what he said. After that, they dive into some of the big storylines heading into training camp since it is set to start in two days!Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!IndeedNow, you can speed up your hiring process with a $75 Sponsored Job Credit. Just go to https://indeed.com/lockedonright now and support our show by saying you heard about Indeed on this podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Monarch MoneyTake control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use code LOCKEDONNHL at monarchmoney.com/lockedonnhl for 50% off your first year.FanDuelDownload the FanDuel app now by visiting FanDuel.com and win $300 in bonus bets if your first $5 bet wins.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

These Pittsburgh Penguins Hunter, I'll tell you they sure like yapping. Kyle Dubus and Sidney Crosby, well, they had a lot to say. We're going to talk about that and more on this edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. Your Locked-on Penguins, your daily podcast on the Pittsburgh Penguins, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Welcome in to the Tuesday edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. I'm one of your host, Patrick Damp. You can follow me across all social media platforms at Synonym 4WET, joined as always by the one and only Hunter Hodes.

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We have got a lot to get to on this Tuesday edition of Locked on Penguins because, as I said in the opener, Kyle Dubis made an appearance on Jeff Merrick's show The Sheet, which fantastic listen. Dubus talks to Merrick for about 45 minutes about everything from the Penguins plan to rebuild, Sidney Crosby rumors, what the state of the league is. He also, I won't spoil this one, because we are going to spoil a little bit of it. He tells the story behind the viral photo of him with two phones and what happened there. He actually remembers exactly what happened. It's an awesome story.

You should check it out. So we'll start with that. And then in the second segment, we're going to talk about more of what Sidney Crosby had to say when he was delivering season tickets because it wasn't just the trade rumors he got into. He had quite a bit to say about the penguins, the future, and everything in between. So let's start with Kyle Dubas. I want to begin, Hunter, with this quote. Merrick essentially asks him, where's the rebuild at? Where is this going? What do you see happening? And Dubus says the following. We don't put any

timelines on it because we're trying to do that as urgently as we can. So we haven't come out and said it's an X amount of years plan because we talked about development and what younger players are capable of. And we're trying to find every edge that we can to get back into that mix in our division and then within the league. He also brought up a couple of players who you and I have brought up on this show a couple of times. And that is players such as Avery Hayes and Owen Pickering saying that Pickering came up last year, played well. Avery Hayes has been a solid addition in the AHL coming off a good prospect tournament

performance. So I like this from Kyle Dubus because one, we know not all rebuilds are built the same. Sometimes it's going to take five to 10 years. Sometimes in the case of division rival capitals. two to three years. Sometimes if you're Buffalo, it's going to take 15 or more. But realistically, not tying himself to a specific time period in building up expectations that he might end up failing. Granted, like we have been saying, we eventually got to see some more progress here.

But if you put a timeline on it and you fail to meet it, you've set yourself up for failure. And you're going to make a lot of fans upset. But if you say, oh, this is going to take five years, you get to a year five, you're still not even close to contending, let alone making the playoffs. You're going to make a lot of the fans bad, and the fans are going to really start turning on you at that point. So I'm totally fine with them not really putting a timeline on it. It's just, you know, whenever they feel like they are ready to take the next step,

you know, and really mobilize this thing. In my opinion, I think they might start mobilizing at least a little bit next all season. I know I said it this past all season. I was dead wrong on that, so I'll take the hell. you know, considering how much cap space they have next off season, it's more than double than what they had this past off season. I think you might see some of the wheels in motion to try and speed it up a little bit. So I think it's wise to not put in X number of years.

You also said it bad, and I've said this on the show as well. Not all rebuilds take the same. And I think at this stage of where the NHL is, I think you're setting yourself back if you're doing, you know, the 8 to 10 plus your rebuild. I just think, A, it takes too long, and B, you have no guarantee you're going to come out of it, you know, successful. Now, granted, for rebuilds in general, it is really cool when you see it done right, and then you, you're contending for a while. Like, you've seen that in other sports as well with other teams where they do a proper rebuild, and it takes X number of years.

Doesn't have to be, you know, five, it could be like two to three. they do it right, they come out of it, they start contending it, and they're contending for a decade plus. I think there is something special in seeing that, and I hope that we get to see that here. But I don't think he is putting an exact time one on it. I know that's probably going to accept Pat, he said, excuse me, Pat Brasson,

just because he called out the team last week. But if he thinks he's going to pressure Kyle Dubas, especially after what Dubus said yesterday, I think he's gravely mistaken. Like Dubus basically said, hey, we're going to keep going down this, half. We started this over a year and a half ago, and we're going to keep doing this and we're going to see this through. Like, he's not going to let the biggest agent hockey, you know,

persuade him to do dumb signings and all that. Right. The other thing I will say that is half a credit to do this and half just a credit of good luck is where the league is going and where the penguins are, put them in a good spot to rebuild. First and foremost, you've got the rising salary recap. All your big names, your franchise players are locked up for the foreseeable future. So you don't have to end up paying them a ton of money. It's not like you're going to suddenly have to resign Sidney Crosby, who is no longer in his mid-20s to some eight-year deal that's worth $13 million per year. You have some bad contracts, which is fair. But at the end of the day, they have a ton of cap space, a ton of draft picks, they've got a better prospect pool.

So they're in a good spot for this to go just about any which way. So you don't really have to put a timeline on it because there are a lot of directions you could go. You could have it where some of these young guys develop ahead of schedule and they're ready to play in the NHL. That's the ideal. You could also have it where some of these guys don't work out. They just become dudes. and you still have a ton of picks, you still have a ton of cap space. So they're in a good spot.

You also brought up Sidney Crosby in some of that stuff that's going on. This is also related to the rebuild, not even getting into the trade rumors, which Dubus basically said, hey, that's what the media is going to do, that's what fans are going to do. It's exciting. It's fun to talk about so he doesn't begrudge them or doesn't even really think about it at all. But the other thing that he brought up was Crosby plays a big role in this rebuild because he has set such an example with the way he works, the way he carries himself. He specifically said when development camp begins in July, Crosby is still in Pittsburgh and he's on the ice in the mornings. He's in the gyms in the afternoon.

And a lot of these guys see a guy who is in his late 30s is one of the best in the world. they're already starstruck because he's Sidney Crosby, but then they see his work ethic and they go, that's a high standard I'm going to have to meet in this organization. And during development camp in July, Pat, did you see the video that was on their socials where all the picks are taking a picture in the locker room? And then they see, holy crap, that's Cindy Crosby's jersey right behind them. And there's all of his equipment.

Like they were starstruck because they were like, holy crap, like all this stuff is out like, you know, he's going to be, you know, going on. on the ice pretty soon and all that. So like stuff like that, like that means something to a lot of those prospects like and just to the organization in general. So I just wanted to add that because I felt like it added to what you were saying and how again like it really does help quite a bit. So those are my thoughts on that.

I think everything Dubas said during those 45 minutes. I had that on at the same time as the Prospects Challenge game. So I had both the audio for. the game and the interview going. I thought everything he said was totally fine. It's funny. He's pretty good with, you know, a lot of his answers. It feels like he's been like, what's the word?

Like media trained all these years, especially after being in Toronto for so long, you kind of have to be. So, like, it's definitely, he's fun to listen to when he gets going for that long. And that's one of the, I'll put more shine on him, even though he doesn't need it,

especially from two goofs like us. but Jeff Merrick is maybe the best in the business because he will get people like Kyle Dubus and other people in hockey who normally say a lot of, they say a lot, but in that a lot is nothing. It is a lot of gobbledy gook, but when Jeff Merrick gets going with someone,

he gets them to have really good, really fun, interesting interviews. And the Dubis one is no exception. If you want to check that out, The show is called The Sheet. You can find it on all podcasting apps just like us. Make sure you listen to us first, though.

Don't you dare hit pause in the middle of this to go listen to it, finish the rest of this show, because we still have plenty to talk about on this one, including Sidney Crosby's comments to the media during season ticket holder delivery. We will get into that when we come back right after this. Before we do that, though, we've got to tell you about today's first sponsor, and that is Fandul. The NFL season is in full swing.

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That's fandul.com to place your first $5 bet. Back here on the Tuesday edition of Locked-on Penguins, I'm Patrick Damp right alongside Hunter Hodes. And we went over it yesterday. Sidney Crosby putting the kibosh on all that trade rumor and all that trade talk. out there by Pat Brasson seemed quite annoyed with his agent speaking out about that. But there were other things that he brought up. I'll start here before we get into some of the other stuff because this part of

Crosby's quote about why he's happy in Pittsburgh, in my estimation, did not get the same amount of play, understandably, about him quashing the trade rumors. Because we've hinted at this. If you've read anything about Sid, he's talked about it and writers have talked about it. It's not just that he enjoys the Penguins organization. It's not just that he feels intensely loyal to the shield or anything like that. He loves the city of Pittsburgh and he made this abundantly clear with this quote yesterday. I talk about the first day I arrived in Pittsburgh.

I didn't know a lot about it prior to being drafted. I showed up at the airport and I could barely move. The support I've felt from day one, the relationships I've formed here, the memories, the teammates, the fans go on down the list. I'm so grateful and thankful that I've had the opportunity to play here as long as I have. Anyone who knows me knows that the city means a lot to me and how special it is. So I think that has been getting lost a lot in the talk of this. It doesn't mean that a day could come where he wants to go chase a Stanley Cup.

It's entirely possible. But at the same time, you can, if you just read that quote, sounds great. If you go listen to the video that pretty much every local media outlet in Pittsburgh got, he said that with his whole heart. Right. And I think a lot of his quotes yesterday, especially that one and then denying everything, I think his goal for those specific quotes were to just quash anything that was out there in the media. And again, I've said on the show before that he gets annoyed when you ask him these types of questions. He had to know all those were coming yesterday just because of what Pat Brasson said last week. But you could tell he was really annoyed when some of these came in. Because he had to know all those were coming yesterday just because of what Pat Brasson said last week. But you could tell he was really annoyed when some of these came in. Because he. doesn't want to keep answering this when he keeps making it clear that he doesn't want to go anywhere and that he loves it here both team wise and city wise yeah does he wish that penguins were contending this year oh absolutely i mean the guys won three Stanley Cups he's been to four

he's been to five eastern conference finals so again four Stanley Cup finals five eastern conference finals i should be specific when i say that he's been in the playoffs almost his entire career. So of course, he's going to try to win when he can. And, you know, Pat, that leads me to my next point where he was asked about tanking. And yeah, he's not a fan, which obviously no player is a fan of that. Like, it doesn't matter what NHL player you are, Pat. You could be someone who has been in the league for as long as Indy Crosby has and is a top five player of all time. You could be someone coming up from the HL for the first time. You're a full-time NHL or for the first time this upcoming season, for example,

and I'm sure that player would probably have the same answer. These players are not just going to tank games. Like, they are playing for A, pride, and B, especially, contracts. Like, they're playing because this is their job. Like, they're not just going to go out there and tank games. Now, you know, management and coaching staffs, you know, they can position themselves

to maybe not have the best lineup on game nights. Doesn't mean the players are going to go out there and just quit, right when the puck drops. And Sandy Crosby even said, you know, that that's not the game I know. Like this is professional sports. That's part of the quote that he had. And yeah, and anyone thinks he's just going to, you know, tank this season for the hell of it. You know, you're gravely mistaken.

I don't think anyone thought that anyway. But, you know, that was a really good quote. So, Pat, he's very much on our line of thinking, you know, especially, you know, when you had that big tanking rant last season. And the anti-tanking rant, Pat, he's right. He listened to that episode and he's right there with that one. one, but I like that one quite a bit. And then again, everything that he said about the city, I mean, you know, he's been great both on and off the ice.

The fans have loved him ever since he came here 20 years ago. And that's never going to change. So I just, I really liked a lot of what he had to say. Like, you could tell he was really thinking, like when I was watching that video, you could tell that he was really thinking about what he was going to say when he was getting these questions. It felt like that he had answers in his head, like knowing what questions he was going to get. and he had a set agenda being like, I'm going to quash all this and I'm going to show everyone that I still love it here and that I just don't want to go anywhere. And I think he accomplished that goal very well. He did.

And there's a connective tissue here between all of this, between Dubus's appearance on the sheet, Crosby's answers yesterday. And the biggest connection is what Dubis said about the young guys having to be in the same organization as Sidney Crosby, having to see his work ethic, the way he commits himself to the sport, despite being at the pinnacle of the sport for as long as he has, he still works like there's a chance Dubus is going to call him into his office and tell him that he's getting cut, which we know is never going to happen. But it also connects to what Crosby said about tanking. This is an organization that, yeah, expectations aren't high. But at the end of the day,

they don't want the culture to fall into one that accepts losing, that accepts mediocrity. Now, the penguins have had their struggles over the last few years. We're not going to sit here and say, no, don't believe you're lying eyes and ears. The team's good, actually. They're not. But that is the end result of a team that got older, some other GMs, including the current in the current GM who have made some pretty, pretty bad missteps. but at the end of the day, the penguins aren't changing their culture to,

eh, it's fine, we're not supposed to be good this year. If we lose a game, a couple games in a row, go on a losing streak. It's no big deal. We miss the playoffs again. Eh, whatever, we're not supposed to be good. They're not going to accept that. And I get as fans, as analysts, it annoys us because we're looking at this with a different perspective.

We're looking at this and saying they need to go get the first. overall pick. They need to throw it all away and toss the last 22 years in the trash and forget everything that they've done. It's time to restart. And yeah, there's still a part of me that does believe that because we know how difficult it is to build a team and a franchise in the NHL if you don't have that cornerstone. But at the same time, there are so many other cautionary tales of teams that do that. And teams that didn't have the same level of success that the Pittsburgh Penguins did, let's be real here.

And they're still failing to launch. And again, I will come back to this point. If you have a good culture that says, listen, we understand that we might not be good. We might not be a playoff team. Hell, we're not even close to a contender. But you are going to play and you are going to. work and you are going to give yourself the expectation that one day you will be, but to get to that point, you have to play like it.

And it's so much better than we're just bad. We're fine with losing. We're fine with missing the playoffs. That culture is really, really difficult to shake. And having Sidney Crosby at the helm will keep you from sinking into that kind of culture. That type of losing that you mentioned that, the latter one, not the first one. the latter one, it's like a cancer. Like once you accept losing, it becomes very hard to get that out of your locker room.

You know, look at Chicago recently. Look at Buffalo. You know, Detroit, for example. Anaheim, I'll also throw in there as well. Once you accept it and once you're like, eh, you know, we're fine with losing again, it's a cancer. It is very hard to get rid of. And as to your first point when it comes to, you know, losing, if you want to lose games this year, I want to see that fight.

I want to see that effort and I want to see the heart. Like I don't want this team to ever be okay with, you know, we lost this game. It's whatever. Now, I want to see that fight that shows like, hey, you know, this isn't okay and we're going to keep trying to fix us. Again, I'm not expecting anything major this year. I've said that on the show repeatedly.

I don't think they're going to make the playoffs. But when they lose games this year and I think they're going to lose more games than they win, I want to see the fight in a lot of those games. that be like, hey, we're not letting that, you know, that quote unquote lose her culture into our locker room. We're doing the best we can just because we don't have that type of contending team. But we're still fighting night at and night out. That's what I would want to see this year. And that's right where I am.

And by the sound of it, that's right where the captain is. But that is going to do it for our middle segment. When we come back, we're just about two days away from training camp, ladies and gentlemen. So we got to get starting talking about it. and there's an underrated storyline going into training camp that I'd like to talk to Hunter about. So I am going to make him talk about it when we get back right after this. Before we do that, though, we got to tell you about today's last sponsor, and that is Indeed. You just realized your business needs to hire someone yesterday.

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I'm Patrick Damp running alongside my good pal, Hunter, Hodes. And Hunter, we're just about two days away from training camp. You will be there on the ground, eyes in the sky, telling us everything that's going on in training camp. There is one thing, though, about training camp as we head into it that we've hinted at, but we haven't really dove into that I think is an interesting wrinkle going into training camp. This team has a lot of forwards. You go to the Penguins website right now,

and obviously there are some names on there because we haven't had camp yet. Everybody's considered a Penguin right now. There's names that we know are not going to be on the Penguins roster come opening night, including some names like Ben Kindle, obviously is not going to be on. the Penguins and a couple of others, but you look up and down the roster. There are a lot of forwards battling for not very many spots. I look at names like Valteri Pustinen, Sam Poulan,

even though we kind of know what he is, still part of the organization, Tommy Novak, Blake Lazot, Yonacopan, and then you have your Boko and Mamas, Danton Heine, Kevin Hayes, Philip Hollander, and Noel Achari, All of these guys, we pretty much know that the top six, while not 100% set in stone, we've got a pretty good idea who's going to be in that.

And then everybody else basically fighting for spots, mostly on the fourth line, because we know what the third line is going to look like for the most part as well. So there's a lot of competition going into camp. First off, take Tommy Nobeck's name out of that list. I think he, I mean, he's 100% making this. team. I don't think. But Hunter, here's the thing. Got hurt. And yeah, he looked okay for two games and he's been an okay forward in the

NHL. Has he recovered? Is he going to make the team? It's an open question. Recovery, maybe. Making the team, I don't think that's a question to me. I think I disagree with you on that. Respectfully, I think he is on this team this season. I would be stunned if someone like that does not make the team. I think he's going to be a Swiss Army knife this year who can play top six, top nine minutes. he's almost a 20 goal score in the NHL. If someone like that is not making the penguins out of training camp, something's wrong.

So respectfully, Matt, I love you. I just disagree with you on that. I think he's a lock for this roster. As for some of the other players that you mentioned, you know, Hollander, you know, Achari, Hein and Kevin Hayes, etc. That's fair. Like a lot of those forwards in the bottom six are going to be battling for these spots.

And, you know, Rucker McGority, of course, Philly Co-oiff. Avery Hayes, I think, is starting to jump into this conversation. Pat, he was tremendous at the Prospects challenge. I think he was the best player on that Penguins team during those three games. And I think he's riding a lot of momentum into training camp. And I still think he has a lot of work to do to make the opening night roster. But at the very least, if he has a good camp and maybe he doesn't make it,

I think he can show management in the coaching staff, hey, I'm just about there. And I can be a potential call up during the season, especially in the of injuries and then if he plays well he can maybe just stay up for a while so him tristan bros i also thought out a really good prospect challenge he has his full confidence right now as i've said i think he's also writing a lot of momentum in a training camp there there's a lot of young players here really battling and i know even without some of the young players that are listed on the roster you know you look at the veteran for which is like you know 12 plus 13 plus i don't think some of these veterans as i've said are going to just be given spots for the hell of it or

a brand new coaching staff. So they're going to get to evaluate all these players. They have no loyalty to some of these veterans who have been here. Not obviously like the big ones like, you know, Crosby, Malk and Ross, Raquel, et cetera, et cetera. But, you know, they're not going to be loyal to someone like a Dayton Hine and I don't think a Noel O'Hari or, you know, a Kevin Hayes, for example. If some of these younger pieces do enough to push one or two of those guys out of that lineup, they could waive them. So there you go. Again, I don't think some of these veterans in the bottom six are just going to be given spots. They're going to have to earn their playing time throughout this season.

New staff, a staff that is focusing on development, especially for younger players. So honestly, I think that the younger player, they might be biased a little bit towards younger players, just because that's what they're being brought in here to do is develop some of these younger players. I don't think this is going to be the same staff that you see, you know, six years from now when hopefully they're contending for cups. but this is still a staff that is prioritizing development. So that's a big storyline for me during training campus. How will these veterans do against some of these young and up-and-coming players who are really starting to push for playing time this upcoming season?

Yeah. And the ones that kind of I don't want to say worry about because that's not the right way to put it, but I look at your Noel Acharis, I look at your Danton Hinen's, I look at your Kevin Hayes of the world and think they could be candidates for waivers because that's just three players right there. And we know that I don't think there are three NHL ready after camp prospects. But like you said, a lot of them are riding a lot of momentum, whether it was for being really good down the stretch for the baby penguins

or being really good at the prospects challenge, which we have to make the obvious caveat of they're not playing actual NHLers. They're playing a bunch of other prospects. So you should temper expectation for some of those performances. But I look at those three and I wonder how long are they for the Penguins organization. Now, at the same time, we know how volatile young players can be. They can have a week and a half where they look like they are ready. to be NHL mainstays, and then the next two weeks, they completely disappear because that's

part of the development process when you're not a franchise player. When you're not a blue chip prospect, you are going to have up and downs. You're going to have days where teams get the tape on you, they completely neutralize you, and then you're going to have days where you figure it out. So what I also am a little bit worried about, and this will kind of be our way to wrap it up here, is I think that Dubis and the coaching staff are also looking at some of these. veteran forwards. And normally I would hate this, but I think it's kind of where you have to be.

Looks at them as a safety net. If some of these younger guys struggle a little bit, underwhelming camp, you got these guys to play. And then you can let the other guys cook, marinate, do whatever you want to do in the minors. When they're ready, you can bring them up. Right. I think that's totally fair.

And again, they want Wilkesbury to be good this year. So there's really no problem with, say, for example, they do a lot during camp, but maybe not enough just yet. Okay, you can start down there, cook a little bit. I do know that Dubis likes the players down there to gel, but if injuries happen at the NHL level, which it's the Penguins, they probably will. You know, one or two of those guys can come up for a little bit of an extended stretch just to see how they do against NHL competition. Not all these young players that we have mentioned are going to start in the NHL. Like let's just put that out there.

That is just not going to happen. I think there's still going to be some young players on this team, but it's not going to be all of them. They just don't have enough room right now. Even if they were to like wave some of these veterans, Pat, they just don't have the room right now. So that changes obviously if you make other trades later on in the season. But right now they just don't have the room to call up, you know,

a ton of these players. But this is still going to be really good to see how close are a lot of these players. Like, you know, Coivine and Magority, they should, to me, they should be NHL locks. I don't care how many veteran forwards there are. You make it work, especially if they have good camps, and I think they will. Other than that, no, Philip Hollander, we'll see. Avery Hayes, Tristan, Brose, Volst & St. Poulin, we'll see. I think Pustin and Sam Poulin kind of are what they are right now in terms of their careers. I don't think you're going to get anything more out of them, but, you know, Philip Hollander,

I'm curious to see how he does, of course, at camp. Tristan Brose, Avery Hayes, as I said, you know, they're writing a lot of momentum and they could potentially get some NHL playing time this year, but can't they do enough to potentially make this roster at camp? That's going to be the question, at least for the forwards. You know, defensively, you know, Owen Pickering, Harrison Brunick, Emil Pianney Nami. I think Pianney Nemi, though, is starting in Wilkesbury. Pickering, I hope, makes the opening night roster, and then Harrison Brunich might be a year or two early, TBD. So, yeah, a lot of fun to watch.

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