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Starting point is 00:00:00 Could Harrison Brunick's teammate be coming to the Pittsburgh Penguins via the NHL draft? Well, Pat and I are going to discuss that coming up right after this. Your Locked-on Penguins. Your daily podcast on the Pittsburgh Penguins. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Hello and welcome back to another edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. I'm one of your host, Hunter Hodes. You can follow me on Twitter at Hunser-Hodies, joined by my host.

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Starting point is 00:01:05 later on in the show, we have a small trade to talk about because Kyle Dubus was a little bit busy this weekend. Decided to make a trade on a day that we don't record. How dare he do something like that, especially during the Stanley Cup final. Shame on you, Kyle. Disgusting. Disgusting, Kyle. It's terrible stuff from the Penguins GM and president. We'll get into that a little bit later on in the show. And we'll also recap the rest of the Stanley Cup final.

Starting point is 00:01:26 Congratulate Caroline Hurricanes. And of course, former Pittsburgh Penguin Jordan Saul. He gets his second Stanley Cup ring, his first since 2009, when you're a lot of the final cup final. he was a big part of the Penguins winning that cup over the Red Wings. But to start off today's show, Pat, it's another draft prospect profile. And this is a player who I think the Penguins will be pretty familiar with, considering that he played on the same junior team this year as Harrison Brunick. And that was J.P. Hurlbert, who was unbelievable this year in Cam Wops.

Starting point is 00:01:56 He had 39 goals, 93 points in 64 games. I think he's a menace on the forechecked, especially below the dots. I like the way that he played as a four. four checker. But I also really liked his board play. I thought he's also really good at entering the zone. He can bounce off hits also while entering the zone. His one-on-one ability, Pat, is also a lot of fun. That was something that I highlighted in my piece on the hockey news. One of my favorite examples is this. It was during a Blazers game against the Seattle Thunderbirds from this past season, entered the zone one-on-one situation. He made an unbelievable move on the defenseman for the Thunderbirds.

Starting point is 00:02:30 He tried to knock him off the puck. Just goes right around him before going back in for the hand at a net front, just jams the puck home on a rebound. Again, his one-on-one ability is a ton of fun. It really is. Again, his board play, as I said, very strong in that area. It's hard for defenders to knock the puck off him. They played Seattle again a bit later on in the season, and he was kind of battling for the puck along the boards through two Seattle Bird,

Starting point is 00:02:56 Seattle Thunderbird players, excuse me. And he just goes right through them. He's able to get a puck, goes right through them. He then takes the puck. to the net before scoring on his own rebound. Again, he's so shifty in those areas, has a really nice shot, whether there's traffic in front of the net or not. He knows how to rifle the puck into the back of the net.

Starting point is 00:03:16 I just like a lot of aspects about his game. And if he is there at 22, Pat, I would be a big fan of the Penguins taking him. That's kind of the thing with Hurlbert that I kind of have been struggling to wrap my head around is there's some reporting that I could see him being available. at 22. And then there's others where it seems like there is not a popsicle's chance in hell that he's going to fall all the way to 22. But he is definitely on the list of players that should he be available at 22, fits that

Starting point is 00:03:50 best player available mold that I think the penguins are going to be in should they stand pat at 22. A comparison I kind of have started to make in my mind with Hurlbert is it reminds me a lot of Rutger McGority where you see a lot of raw talent, you see the fact that he is very willing to play physical and there is an offensive undercurrent to his game. Obviously, his shot is next level. He's really good on the walls, but his skating still leaves a lot to be desired. He's got a really good quick first burst, but that's kind of it. He's not a consistently fast player and we just saw that we're going to talk about later in the show about how fast the Stanley Cup final was.

Starting point is 00:04:42 Despite it being too very deep, two very responsible defensive teams, they both played a million miles an hour. And you can kind of see that is the trajectory that the game in the NHL is on, where speed is going to rule the day. But aside from that, there is a lot to like about Hurlbert's game. Like I said, the shot. like I said, the physicality. You can see the makings of a useful NHL player should he develop. So if he's available at 22 and the penguins are still picking there,

Starting point is 00:05:14 would not hate them taking a chance on him. Right. And I should also correct myself, stats wise, Pat, 97 points in 68 games. Reading is hard, especially on a Monday where sometimes some of us are still a little out of it. So my fault on that, 97 points in 68 games this season. Overall, though, great regular season in the playoffs, had three points in four games. And by the way, Pat, he is committed to Michigan next year, which I think is going to do wonders for him, especially for his skating, which I do agree with you a bit on that.

Starting point is 00:05:45 His skating does need a little bit of work. Honestly, I actually think his first first needs still a little bit work. You can really say all of it does, but that's why you're going to a school like the University of Michigan, where you can continue to work on it. It's one of the best college hockey programs in the country. It's been known for turning out really good NHL players. So I am glad that he is going to that next level next year, playing for Michigan.

Starting point is 00:06:11 He'll get to be Bill Horcoff's teammate because Will Horcoff is very likely going back to Michigan next year unless he signs as ELC. And I don't really see that happening at this point. He could use another year in Michigan as well. I also think his two-way game needs a little bit of work as well. But again, that's why you're going to Michigan too. So I still think there's a decent chance that he'll be there unless a team takes him ahead of the penguins. But it'll be mainly up to them if they decide if they want to take a chance on him at that spot.

Starting point is 00:06:39 If he is still on the board, he also confirmed to my colleague Kelsey Sermax that he met with the penguins at the combine, said it went really well. They're one of the teams that use a lot of video. He also really talked about the honest feedback that he got as well back. Because one of the things, we haven't really talked about this on the show that much, one of the things the penguins did when they met with players, they were showing them kind of their worst moments throughout the season in seeing how they were reacting to it.

Starting point is 00:07:06 Like, you know, what were you thinking in this play? What would you do better? That type of stuff. It's a cool, unique way to go about interviewing prospects of the combat. You always see, like, those horror stories where some of these teams just ask very weird, very bizarre questions. Penguins aren't doing that. But I like the way they went about just showing like some tough moments.

Starting point is 00:07:24 And he kind of said it like it's called tough love. You have to have it to keep getting better. And, you know, he really appreciated listening to their honest feedback. And he also got to give his own feedback when talking to the team as well. So just that alone, Pat, those answers, the way the Penguins went about it, I find all of it really cool and fascinating. I'm better with that than like you said some of the weird questions that you hear about getting asked at the combine or pre-draft meetings where it's like, you know, if you were a

Starting point is 00:07:53 caterpillar, how many legs would you have or something like that? But I mean, I do think that also gives us a good look into the mind of the penguin's front office is that they are all in on helping players grow and get better instead of trying to fit them into one single box because we were just talking about it with Heraldbert. He has had a lot of good this past season at Camloops. Again, nearly 100 points, no matter the level, no matter the team. it's still nearly 100 points.

Starting point is 00:08:26 You have to have some skill to be able to produce that much. But that also fits into the last point that I wanted to make about him, and his answers were both really good from what was reported. And it's the fact that similarly to the way we talked about Wyatt Cullen a few episodes ago, where you could see the frustration seep into his game, where he kind of didn't realize that he's now in a pond with fish of a similar size rather than just being the biggest fish. Hurlbert has a lot of skill. He has a lot of natural ability. But you can see he knew when and when not to use it in his time with

Starting point is 00:09:06 Camloops because there is an ocean of skill there for him. He's got great hands. He's got good vision. He didn't force a lot. Now, there were bad moments that the penguins had him look at, but this wasn't a case of a player who knows that they're skilled and just tries to skate by on pure skill alone. He learned how to think the game. He learned how to utilize his skill in a way that made him and his team better. So I like that from him from a more developmental aspect. And you couple that with going to Michigan next year.

Starting point is 00:09:40 That'll be an even better step for him developmentally because that'll be maybe not a better level than the Canadian Junior League, but a different level where he's going to be forced to try to play a different style of hockey, which can make him a better rounded player. That and he can also keep doing the things that made him successful in junior while adding more to his repertoire. You brought up the playmaking ability. I didn't really get to that, but he has excellent vision. He feels like he can anticipate a player being in a certain position before he's fully there. and I think his strong hockey IQ also factors into that. So a lot of the offensive tools are there. I just think he needs a bit more work as a skater.

Starting point is 00:10:22 In my opinion, his first first still definitely needs some more work. And I think his two-way play could use some work as well. All of those things, though, they can be worked on, especially as you go to a higher level here. Michigan, one of the best college hockey programs in the country. And as I said, they've been known to turn out a lot of very, and I mean, very good NHL players. But that's going to do it for this first second.

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Starting point is 00:13:21 All right, we're back here on the Monday edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. I'm one of your host, Hunsler Hodes, joined by my co-host, Patrick Camp, and Pat Caladubas decided to annoy us and make a trade over the weekend where we don't record on weekends, but still, very small trade. Penguins send defensemen, Emil Pianney Nemi to the Four Panthers for Ford, Oliver Aculia. So the thing with Aculia is it looked like Pat that he was going to be staying in the S-H-H-Mexam. for next season because he is still under contract. But according to Tony Androcatus,

Starting point is 00:13:53 and he saw this report from a different place, it looks like the penguins are finalizing a contract with Acullier for next season, which means he will probably be with Wilkesbury-Sgrinton next season. That means he'll be leaving the SHL and joining Wilkesbury. That was like the big question mark, because are you just acquiring someone who's going to still play in Europe next season, or are you going to try to sign him to get him out of that SHL contract? Well, it looks like we have our answer.

Starting point is 00:14:18 he's going to be coming over to North America. At least that's what it looks like right now. So for a cue year, last season, played in the SHL, 15 goals, 29 points in 46 games. He was also really good in the playoffs, six goals and 13 points in those 15 games, really good for his team. He also represented Slovakia, not just in the Olympics, Pat, but in the World Championships in the Olympics, he had a goal in two points in six games, and then in the World Championships had two goals and five points in seven games.

Starting point is 00:14:46 He definitely has some offensive. skill and the penguins will try to see if he can carry that momentum into Wilkesburg for next season because he played for the Charlotte Checkers during the 24-25 season, had 19 goals and 41 points in 69 games and then it was about half a point per game in the playoffs for the Chequers that year. But I think with P&M, honestly, it probably got to the point where he had done too much damage at the beginning of the season. Yeah, he eventually reported to the team have the Penguins lifted their suspension. He was fine enough for wheeling this year. Okay for Wilkesbury. But I just think with the way everything went down, you remember after camp, he refuses to go to Wheeling, goes back to

Starting point is 00:15:30 Finland, the Penguins suspend him, eventually reports and then has the season. Obviously, the Penguins were like, hey, we don't really want to deal with this anymore. So we're going to get what we can for you at this point. That's kind of how I see it. That's kind of what it feels like. and we know one of the things that is sometimes good, it's sometimes negative about Kyle Dubus, is that he does right by players and he probably does need to have a little bit more ruthlessness in his management style,

Starting point is 00:16:03 just because sometimes when you try to be a good person and a cutthroat business, it comes back to bite you. But when it comes to someone like PN and Emmy, this just felt like him saying, yeah, this relationship is. is done, it's broken. We got to move on and try to get something for him.

Starting point is 00:16:20 I maintain what I said about him after everything this season where I don't think you can properly judge the way he played this year because of the suspension. He was behind the eight ball as it already was. He didn't get a chance to really get ramped up. And then he takes about two months off because he's not playing under the suspension and just never really had the opportunity to get up to speed. I thought he did okay, but I would have loved to have seen what he could have done

Starting point is 00:16:51 with a full season under his belt, whether it was with the nailers or with the baby penguins, but that didn't happen. And this is a fun little tidbit about our new acquisition, a coolier during the Olympics. Oh, yeah. From Slovakia. I know we're going with this.

Starting point is 00:17:08 He told a Czech outlet that Matthew and Brady Kichuk, are, quote, scumbags, the both of them. They're not even good hockey players. They just do this swear word. That's exactly their style. So getting traded out of Florida kind of feels like they probably also looked at this and went, yeah, he doesn't get along with our biggest star, so we're probably going to have to let him go.

Starting point is 00:17:35 And I'll say this less about the narrative stuff and the quotes and everything. He played really well for a surprisingly, good Slovakian team at the Olympics and then followed it up by playing really well at the world championships. So it's not as if this guy's eating up lesser competition at a level that we don't need to worry about. Now, it doesn't mean he's going to turn into an NHL player. It doesn't mean he's going to turn into a star, but he's shown he has the ability to play well at a high level. So if you can get him into the HL, he performs well for the first few months of the season. And you need a call up come December, January, February, when there's obviously injuries and other factors.

Starting point is 00:18:21 He could be an option. But at the end of the day, you do have to tape your expectations. It's a prospect for a prospect trade. He's probably not going to turn into much. But at the very least, you can see why the penguins were interested. in acquiring him. Yeah, it's a type of trade where you're, it's two prospects being traded that were kind of on their way out with their respective organizations. The organizations are ready to move on. And they're each giving these players fresh starts. That's what it is at the end of the day.

Starting point is 00:18:52 And a cool year, you know, his team won the SHL championship this year. His six goals were tied for first in the SHL playoffs. Again, very good during those playoffs. He also has a history of getting some penalty minutes. I don't know if you saw Pat during the 24-25 season of the Charlotte Checkers. This guy had 119 penalty minutes for the checkers. So he's definitely not afraid to dish it and really get feisty when it calls for it. But he did show at least some offense this year was fine in the Olympics, was good at the World Championships, really good, right around a point per game in the playoffs and the SHL. Let's see if he at least tries to carry that momentum into North America where it looks Like as of right now, the penguins are going to finalize a contract and bring him over to be in Wilkesbury for next season.

Starting point is 00:19:40 So small trade, it gets everyone's blood probably going a little bit because, hey, the offseason is officially here now. Stanley Cup final is over. Speaking of that, Pat, congratulations to the Carolina Hurricanes. They have won the Stanley Cup. And we are going to discuss more about that and Jordan Stahl coming up right after this. But before we get to that, we have to tell you all about one more. sponsor, which is five-hour energy. If you've got a sweet tooth like I do, you know how tough it is to find that perfect tree without all the sugar. That's why the fruity rainbow five-hour energy

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Starting point is 00:20:57 All right, we're back here to close out the Monday edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. I'm one of your host, Huns or Hodes, joined by my co-host, Pat, you've got your prediction right. For the Stanley Cup final, this concludes my... awful Stanley Cup playoff picks where I'm pretty sure I finished below 500 really bad stuff for me picked Vegas and seven it was looking good for the first half of this series and then Carolina turned on the afterburners and was dominant to end the series especially in game six that was full Carolina Hurricanes hockey full suffocation they were just giving Vegas absolutely nothing in that game and the few chances that that Vegas did get they were not able to finish whether it was Ikel missing a

Starting point is 00:21:38 wide open net, Tomash Hurtle, missing a glorious chance in the third period. But grouts to the hurricanes, man, the best team in the playoffs by far, 16 and 3. They dominated everyone from start to finish. Pat, I needed to see it from them because that was the thing. I wanted to pick them, but I'm like, I think in order to do it, I need to see them actually get across the finish line before I do it. And hey, they did it. They were the best team.

Starting point is 00:22:06 I was always skeptical because of their style of play, their lack of a true elite number one center. I still felt they were true contenders, but I always felt they were going to come up a bit short because of those two things, and their goaltending kind of scared me at times. But goaltending came together beautifully with Brandon Bussie, taking over for Anderson,

Starting point is 00:22:24 their style of playwork to perfection in these playoffs. And despite on having a true elite number one center, their depth shine throughout these playoffs. So many players were so good, including old friend Jordan Stahl. Very happy for him, had an unbelievable Stanley Cup final, deserving of the Kahn Smyth.

Starting point is 00:22:43 17 years in the making that from his first cup to 2026, you remember the Penguins offering that big extension. He says, no, I want a bigger role. I want to go play with my brother. The Penguins say, okay, we'll accommodate you. They send him to Carolina. They make that trade. Worked out great for both sides.

Starting point is 00:23:02 He gets the Stanley Cup. The Penguins win their back-to-back cups. again, man, just happy for him overall, the way he raised the cup. He could tell how much it meant to him. They asked him how it compares the 09, had a really cool answer about it too. So overall, man, just happy for a former penguin there. Really happy for Jordan Stahl. I mean, he is, I don't want to say forgotten because that's not the right way to put it,

Starting point is 00:23:29 but he was a pillar in what this era of penguins hockey has been. when our center depth was quite literally Sidney Crosby of Gennie Malkin and Jordan Stahl for quite a few years. That was just an insane amount of depth down the middle because the thing I always said about Jordan Stahl was at the time, because at the time it was still 30. On 29 other teams, he would be a first or second line center. But in Pittsburgh, he was a third line center because he was not going to eclipse of Gennie Malkin, and he was definitely not going to eclipse, eclipse Sidney Crosby,

Starting point is 00:24:07 and that's no hate on Jordan Stahl. He just is not those two players. And you bringing up the trade at the 2012 draft, I mean, that was a bit of a relic of an old time in the NHL because Ray Shiro's hands were tied. He offered him a 10-year contract. Jordan Stahl didn't want the 10-year contract. He wanted to go to Carolina to play with his brother.

Starting point is 00:24:31 Jim Rutherford could have held Ray Shear over a barrel and given him nothing. And instead, they worked out a very fair trade that helped both sides. It helped Carolina really usher in this era of hockey because if you go and look at that trade, aside from just getting Jordan Stahl, there's a lot of branches that lead you to this Stanley Cup. And it's the same thing for the penguins in 16 and 17. There were a lot of draft picks and branches in cap space and maneuvering that led to the penguins winning those back-to-back Stanley Cups. So the hurricanes and penguins are forever linked because of that deal. And here's the really fun part.

Starting point is 00:25:15 Three straight first round picks by the Pittsburgh Penguins from 2004 to 2006 have now won at least one Kahn-Smith trophy. Jordan Stahl is your 2026 consmite winner. Sidney Crosby got his in 16 and then again in 17. And then of Genie Malkin won in 2009. So three straight first round picks by the Penguins have won a consmite trophy. Is that good by the way? That seems good. Seems pretty good.

Starting point is 00:25:51 And if you want to throw it all the way back, Mario Lemieux also won two consmite trophies as a first overall pick. for the Pittsburgh Penguins. So even though Stalsy didn't do it here, he did win a Stanley Cup with the Penguins. He's got his second. And I couldn't be happier for the dude because he was such an integral part of the Penguins in the late 2000s in early 2010s. 100% man. Like that's how I was feeling as well. Just really happy for him considering everything he did during the early years of the Sid Gino Tanger era, just how instrumental he was. And on that 019.19. team, excuse me, especially on that third line with Matt Cook, with Tyler Kennedy.

Starting point is 00:26:33 He was just a menace in all three zones. But yeah, Pat, pretty good company there in terms of winning Conn's Mifs with some of the other Pittsburgh Penguins, including, of course, Sid and Gino. But very deserving winners for the Carolina Hurricanes, they were by far the best team in these playoffs. And they get their Stanley Cup. After so many years, Pat, of coming up short, it felt like they were never going to do it, but they stayed true to their cause.

Starting point is 00:26:57 they kept tinkering, adding to the core that they had. And shout to Eric Tolski, shout out to that coaching staff. They got it done. They're the champions. And they'll be looking for more going into the offseason as well. Do you have any other thoughts on the hurricanes and also who won our bracket challenge? Well, on the Stanley Cup final front and the way this went, you know, I will take a bit of a victory lap that I picked Carolina in six. But the victory lap I will take is less about the prediction and more about why I made the

Starting point is 00:27:27 prediction is Vegas has and had in this final the better top end talent. When you look at the top of each roster, you give the top tier talent advantage to Vegas eight days a week. But you look at Carolina's roster. And granted, I know that when you get to this point in the season, saying that a team that wins the Stanley Cup or goes deep in the playoffs has a quote, weak link, it's a a link that most teams would probably want to have on their team because they're pretty good. But you look at Carolina's roster and there really wasn't anybody that you looked at and thought

Starting point is 00:28:09 they might have to hide them or they might have to really do favorable matching to get this team where they need to go. They could roll four lines in three pairs with Vegas and at the very least they could play to even, if not outright win the matchup. you can say the goaltending, but up until he got hurt, because that's really what I think happened to Freddie Anderson is when he got bonked in the head early in the series, I think he got hurt and they tried to let him play through it and it didn't work. Bussie deserves a ton of credit for how well he came in and relief,

Starting point is 00:28:44 getting a shutout in the Stanley Cup clinching game. But realistically, the difference to me was that there was not a bad part of Carolina his roster. And you mix that with the way that they played. That is what got them over the line to win this Stanley Cup. And like you said, Tulski, the rest of his front office, Brindamore's coaching staff, it would have been really easy for them after the last four or five years to change course because of all the disappointment. But they saw it, they understood it, they stuck with it and they got rewarded last night by winning the Stanley Cup. Speaking of winners, I will reiterate again, Hunter and I are actually working with some people right now.

Starting point is 00:29:31 We're going to try to find a prize, but we do have a winner of the locked on bracket challenge. It goes to Keir 12-512, your bracket comes in first with 268 points, a 60% correct rate. while you did not have the Western Conference champion correct, you did have the Colorado Avalanche in the final like most people did. You did have the Carolina Hurricanes as the Eastern Conference and you correctly predicted that Carolina would win the Stanley Cup. So congratulations to you on that. Looking at our own.

Starting point is 00:30:15 And by the way, please send us a DM or comment on our YouTube page. to let us know. And we get in contact, to us. To look at our brackets, Hunter, I am at 44th with a total of 71 points. And Hunter Hodes is right down there with me with only 55. So it was a rough one for your co-hosts.

Starting point is 00:30:41 But at the end of the day, I will say this. This will be my final thought. Six games. It was six great games. that was one of the best Stanley Cup finals in recent memory. And for my money of all time, it was a highly entertaining Stanley Cup final.

Starting point is 00:31:00 And Carolina is a very deserving Stanley Cup champion. I agree. Just a really fun final overall. And with that, the season is now officially ended, which means it's time for silly season to get underway. Trades, re-signings, fun rumors. I'm excited.

Starting point is 00:31:17 And keep it right here on Locked on Penguins. We're daily for the rest of this week. We're daily the following week for the draft. And then, oh, yeah, we're daily for free agency week before we do go down to three shows a week, starting on July 6th. That is the plan right now. So next three weeks, we're full daily for weekdays, and then we will go down to three shows a week. Keep it right here. All the trade talk, rumors, draft profiles, finishing season reviews.

Starting point is 00:31:42 And by the way, on Tuesday, it's locked on's 10-year anniversary. So we're cooking up a couple of really cool ideas. to honor the 10-year anniversary of the network, at least from a Penguins perspective. So stay tuned for that coming on a very special edition of the Tuesday show. And with that, that's going to do it for the Monday edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. Thank you all so much for take the time to listen to slash watch this one. We'll be back on Tuesday, like I said, with a very special edition of the show. So until then, for Patrick Am, I'm Hunter Hodes.

Starting point is 00:32:13 Thank you all so much for tuning in. We'll see you tomorrow.

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