Locked On Penguins - Daily Podcast On The Pittsburgh Penguins - Was Penguins GM Kyle Dubas overlooked for the GM of the Year Award?

Starting point is 00:00:00 In the glow of yesterday's press conference from Penguins president of hockey operations, Kyle Dubus, the finalists for general manager of the year were released. But Kyle Dubus's name was not among them. So we asked the question today. Was he snubbed by the voters? You're locked on penguins. Your daily podcast on the Pittsburgh Penguins. Part of the Locked on podcast network.

Starting point is 00:00:31 Your team every day. Hello and welcome to the Wednesday edition of the Locked-on Penguins podcast. I am one of your hosts, Patrick Damp. You can follow me across all social media platforms at Synonym 4Wet. Joined as always by the one and only Hunter Hodes. You can follow him on Twitter at Hunter Hodes. Before we jump into today's show, this episode is brought to you by GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account, and use the code locked on.

Starting point is 00:01:02 for $20 off your first purchase. More about them later. Bill Zonan lit the lamp in his first professional game last night with the baby penguins. The nailers are going to have to come back home in their playoff series. And we're going to continue our season in review series today with Parker Watherspoon. Before we get into all of that, though, here on the Wednesday edition of Locked-on Penguins, I have got a simple question to ask my pal Hunter. Hodes, and that is, does the council of hockey men hate Kyle Dubus? Hunter, you wrote about this today

Starting point is 00:01:41 for the hockey news saying that Kyle Dubus was snubed as a finalist for general manager of the year. And while I am mostly in agreement with you, he has been on an absolute heater, especially this season. I do still believe that the actual general manager of the year award is that thing they give out at the end of the season known as the Stanley Cup. But all of that said, I will give you the floor and you can make your case. Yeah, I'm not going to be like superheeded or anything here. I'm just confused as to how he wasn't at least a finalist. I mean, I was talking about him being the runaway favorite for GM of the year, considering the heater that he has been on for the last year plus. We can probably say the last 18 to 24 months, to be honest. And I'm

Starting point is 00:02:31 I'm not trying to disrespect any of the three finalists. Billy Garon makes the Quinn Hughes trade. Pretty ballsy trade. How to give up a lot to get Quinn Hughes. Still, really nice move. He's gotten a while to the second round of the playoffs. They have a great regular season. That one I am okay with.

Starting point is 00:02:46 Pat Verbeek, the docs break their long playoff streak. He does a good job with drafting and developing some of these younger pieces. He brings in some of these veterans as well over the last year. I can understand why there. The one that I don't really fully understand is Chris McFarlane. congratulations, man. You have a great roster headline by Nathan McKinnon, Kail McCar, Gabe Landisog, Marty Natchez.

Starting point is 00:03:09 You're just filling out the depth there. And hey, the Nazim-Kadry trade was pretty good. They met a couple of other nice moves at the deadline this year and during the season two. But that team, even before like the cadre move, for example, Pat, that was already a juggernaut. They were probably going to win the president's trophy without Nazim-Kadri coming over from the Calgary Flames.

Starting point is 00:03:29 So I think that's where I would put Calgary move. Dubus in the Chris McFarland spot. I would have him as the other finalist there. It's just confusing to me that he was not named a finalist for this award, considering that every move that he made over the last year, starting with free agency, going into the trades, whether it's offseason or in-season trades, hiring DMUs, has basically been A-plus. And I feel like he should be a finalist for just all those moves alone.

Starting point is 00:03:59 That's the way I see it. But I guess all the general managers that vote on the award plus the little small committee of executives and media members, it's like a very small committee. It's like, I think a five each five media members each five annual executives each excuse me that vote along with the GMs. I guess they all didn't see it that way. Yeah. I mean, what I'm going to do here in response is kind of me talking myself into and out of something because I have seen the narrative a lot. that there is kind of a dislike of Kyle Dubus among a lot of hockey people because he's not your typical NHL executive. You look at a lot of these guys who are NHL GMs, who are coaches, scouts, whatever.

Starting point is 00:04:50 They played in the NHL or they're from a first or second family of hockey. they've got some sort of background in the NHL in some way or another, which I understand that a lot of that is them saying, hey, this is our club, you ain't in it, whatever, whatever. But then you also look at Kyle Dubus's path. It's not like they went to some law firm or some accounting firm and said, hey, you're good with numbers nerd. Come build a roster for us.

Starting point is 00:05:24 he worked his way up from being a stick boy in the Sioux to becoming an NHL general manager. He worked under Lou Lamarillo. He worked under Brendan Shanahan. Those are two of the most hockey men to ever hockey men. So I don't quite understand why there's this purported resentment of him because he's not a traditional hockey guy. But I will say two of, I'm with you, two of the three in Billy Garron and Pat Verbeek are very, very much deserving of that nom because we talked about it off mic a couple of days ago that Minnesota was kind of on the periphery of the Quinn Hughes sweepstakes.

Starting point is 00:06:06 Everyone kind of went, hey, you know, Minnesota might be able to get them, but, you know, it's probably going to be your typical, the Vegas Golden Knights pull a rabbit out of a hat and find a way to get them. But everybody thought he was going to New Jersey. And then out of nowhere, Garin swoops in and they get Quinn Hughes. and that really put a rocket on their back. And then Verbeek done a really good job turning the ducks around from where they were just a couple of years to go.

Starting point is 00:06:32 Oh, yeah. He's made some really savvy moves, drafted really well, developed that team really well, and here they are in the second round having a go of it. So those two are deserved. McFarlane, I kind of look at it like, I get it, but I also don't. because I agree with you in a sense that you had a great team already,

Starting point is 00:06:57 and then you just kind of filled in the margins. But we've also seen in the last 10 to 15 years, these really top heavy teams, they've got this great top line talent. And then the general manager kind of fails at giving them a supporting cast. But that one, I think, is the wild card. You can put Dubus there. You could put Tulski there.

Starting point is 00:07:19 I think he, kind of got the pat on the head. You won the president's trophy nomination. Yeah, I mean, still, for Chris McFarlane, I do think he is a solid GM. I just wouldn't give him, you know, GM of the year, you know, finalists over someone who has been in charge of a team that's been going through the retool shots, we build on the fly. The expectations were literally in the gutter for this team going into the season. A lot of people have them in bottom five, bottom 10 in the standings. And Kyle Dubus was able to take that. and basically build a playoff team from it and literally exceed all expectations.

Starting point is 00:07:56 I value that a lot more than someone who, you already had a great team, good job for filling in the margins, you were still going to win the present trophy anyway. At least that's the way I see it. I do understand your point where GMs have failed putting in the debt pieces around some star-studded teams. We mean, we've seen it before in Edmonton, for example. Heck, even the early 2010s Penguins teams after they won the 09 Cup, those teams were pretty top-heavy at times as well, Pat. So I understand your point there, but overall with McFarlane comparing it to Kyle Dubus,

Starting point is 00:08:28 I still just don't think it's really close. That's the way I feel about it, though. And you are right about Dubus's background. There are some people out there that still think, oh, yeah, he's like this big numbers guy. And sure, he uses the numbers. They have an analytics team, but he came up via scouting. Like, that is his bread and butter. He loves going on the road.

Starting point is 00:08:47 He loves scouting players. That is where he made his name. before rising through the ranks, getting promoted in Toronto all those times, and then eventually coming here, becoming the president and the general manager. At his core, he is a scout. Now, he does use data. He 100% does. He was mentioning it during his presser on Tuesday,

Starting point is 00:09:07 talking about how the Penguins were bottom 10 in the league and expected goals against and actual goals against for the way they defend in their own zone. But at his core, he is a scout guy. He has always been like that. He really has. And this is the last point I'll make on. on saying, I agree with you in totality that he got snubbed. He hires a first year coach.

Starting point is 00:09:29 They get back to the playoffs, and that first year coach gets nominated for the Jack Adams. I don't think. I don't think. It's both for me. They both did a great job. Dan Muses deserves that nomination. I think Kyle Dubus deserves his own nomination too.

Starting point is 00:09:45 And that's what I was building towards is that Dan Muse doesn't get nominated for the Jack Adams if he doesn't get hired by Kyle Dubus and has himself put in the position to take a team that nobody had any expectations for, then they go to the playoffs. So it's puzzling to me. But at the end of the day, you listen to what Kyle Dubus had to say on Tuesday. This guy doesn't care about getting nominated for general manager of the year. I highly doubt Dan Mews cares about getting nominated for the Jack Adams. These guys have a goal in mind. It's to get this team back to contention, not to fill their trophy case with individual awards. They want to win a Stanley Cup before they do any of that.

Starting point is 00:10:30 So a bit of a snub for Kyle Dubus, but we persist on anyway. That is going to do it for our opening segment. When we come back, a lot of action in the minor leagues in the Penguins organization. Bill Zonan, huge goal. Wheeling Naylars dropped too straight. we're going to talk about all of it when we come back right after this. But we've got a couple of sponsors to get to starting with Kalshi. The hunt for the Stanley Cup is on, and now you can trade every game on Kalshi.

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Starting point is 00:13:13 moving right along here hunter let's start taking a look down at the farm we begin with the good then we will pivot to the not so good the good the baby penguins off to a great start in their atlantic division final series against the springfield thunderbirds bill zonan scores in his professional debut and a two nothing victory for the baby penguins that goal hunter though here's we'll talk about the goal itself we don't want to overreact to a tiny sample size. But here is the part that I did not see as much discussion about. Go by Zonan breaks a shutout streak for Springfield goaltender Georgiev Romanov of 137 minutes

Starting point is 00:14:00 in 20 seconds. So not only does he score his first pro goal, he breaks an insane shutout streak for the Thunderbirds. Yeah, Springfield has been, again, very good in these points. playoffs very unexpected considering where they finished in the standings in the regular season they go out there they are underdogs in both of their first two series they win both of those series now they're an underdog once again but as we all know pat they don't give a damn about that especially after they just beat providence in four games but it took a picture perfect move to beat him and that's what it was from bills on and he gets the puck right around the left circle cuts to the front of the net

Starting point is 00:14:41 goes forehand, backhand, beautiful move from right in front of the net. And again, I will continue to reiterate, man, his net front play is the most underrated aspect of his game. He is really good around the net front. You saw his soft hands there. The celebration afterwards was great. He was all over the ice in this game. It was a great debut from him.

Starting point is 00:15:02 And I'm really excited to see what he can do for the rest of the series and potentially deeper in the playoffs as well if this team is able to win the Atlantic Division final and advance to the Eastern Conference final and potentially even the Calder Cup final, which would be obviously the final round of the Calder Cup playoffs. But I loved that goal. I loved his game overall. They started him in the bottom six pat,

Starting point is 00:15:24 which not too surprised by. You're easing him in in your first game. As he continues to play more, I am sure that he is going to play a bit higher up in the lineup, considering how skillful he is as a player. But everything was on display last night for how well he played. His playmaking was also really good throughout this game.

Starting point is 00:15:44 I thought he skated really well. You saw the net front ability defensively. I thought he was in position as well. There's a really nice debut from him in his first professional game. It was really solid. And you brought up positioning. That's kind of the thing that led to the goal is there was a good pinch by Alexiev. He made the right decision at the right moment to pinch.

Starting point is 00:16:06 And we talked about this with Zonin's comments the other day. about how when Kessel tried to sit down with him to say, hey, here's the system you need to know and what you got to do. And he said, no, I've seen the way you guys play. I've watched the film. I know what to do. Showed up in his goal because when Alexiev made the pinch, he's right there for puck support.

Starting point is 00:16:26 Once Alexiev wins the battle, he takes the risk to go into the zone. And then he gets the scoring opportunity and makes no mistake about it. Helps put the baby penguins up one nothing in this series, which is huge for them as they continue to push forward in the Calder Cup playoffs. Love to see that from him. Obviously, going to keep an eye on everything they do. Now, I do want to also point out before you get to Wheeling,

Starting point is 00:16:52 Tanner Howell made it 2-0 last night. Really nice goal on a breakaway. Top cheese. Definitely make sure you don't forget about him is what I'm trying to say, because has that ratty element. I think he could play really well if he hits a ceiling and you know a middle six top nine role for the penguins potentially down the line. But I like him quite a bit.

Starting point is 00:17:15 And guess who had the shutout, Pat, Sergey Moroshov, his first of the playoffs. And he was very good once again in this game continues to show why there are so many people excited about him for his NHL future. Yeah. And the best thing about the Tanner Howe breakaway goal was the move itself in the goal was fantastic. But the breakaway itself was born of nothing. but hard work. He wins a puck battle, wins a race, skates harder than the guy coming after him, gets the separation. There was nothing too pretty about it. It was a lot of hard work. Yeah, the goal was pretty, but what led to the goal was nothing but hard work. And from a player like

Starting point is 00:17:57 how, that's the kind of game you want to see from him at any level. So that was very encouraging. Now we'll get to the bad hunter. Wheeling drops two straight to the main Mariners in games three and four. They lose six to three in game three. And at one point in game three, they were down five nothing. So that was not a great one. And then game four, a double overtime heartbreaker, two to one, two main. So that is, that series is definitely coming back to Wheeling for game six this weekend, no matter what.

Starting point is 00:18:33 We'll see if it goes to game seven. This kind of, if without sounding too many alarm bells here, this is just kind of a series holding serve. Wheeling did really well on home ice. Now Maine has done really well on home ice. And it may be an old cliche, but they say a series doesn't start until you lose on home ice. So Nailers have a chance to do that tonight in Maine at 7 o'clock.

Starting point is 00:19:02 but one of the nice little takeaways from these two games is that one of the Penguins draft picks, Gabriel Digg did have to come in to replace Gaudier in that tough six to three loss, did pretty well in relief. So once again, the Penguins organizational strength in net continues to show. Yeah, that at least was good, though. You don't want it to get to that point considering how awesome Taylor Gode has been for wheeling once again, whether it's the regular season or the playoffs. We've all been over the numbers so far, Pat, for his in the playoffs.

Starting point is 00:19:37 And he's just literally been a brick wall, really outside of the game three against Maine. But I felt bad for him on Tuesday just because he was doing everything in his power to give the other skaters a chance to win this game and go up three games to one to have a chance to potentially close this out tonight, but wasn't meant to be. And now you'll have a third chance to win on the road to potentially bring. this series back to Wheeling so you can close them out this week. And I said going into these three games, if you can win one of them, you're in good shape because you'll be up three to going back home with two chances to really close it out.

Starting point is 00:20:14 Now, obviously, you lose all three here. You're the one that's down three, two, and you have to stave off elimination in your home arena before potentially playing the game seven. So this is a very pivotal game five. I mean, every game five in a series where it's two, two is very pivotal. but this one especially is because you've lost two in a row on the road. You don't want to make it three. Let's see if they can get some offense back here because that's really gone away

Starting point is 00:20:37 these last couple of games after just how well they were playing structurally in all three zones in the first couple of games. So let's see what happens here in game five. Curious to see how they respond. It's a quick turnaround, Pat, double overtime game the night before. And then you have to play literally the next day. Yeah, that's not that that's life in the E. I lived it, not as a player.

Starting point is 00:21:01 I know, not as a player as a staff member, but I was taxing on me as someone who was selling tickets and send in tweets. I can't imagine what it was like for someone who actually has to play in it. But if you're looking for a little bit of coping for this Wheeling series so far, the double overtime game, Gaudier bounces right back in that one, had 33 saves on 35 shots. And then on the other end of it, you look at how well, Wheeling has played in three of the four games. Game three, obviously a burn the tape kind of game.

Starting point is 00:21:34 Right. Fall down five nothing. But in the two games that Maine, in the one game, I should say that Maine has taken, it required double over time. So you still have a little bit of an edge over this team, but you cannot let this opportunity you have tonight in game five slip away and give yourself two kicks at the can when you come back to Wheeling over the weekend and hopefully not into next week. But still, this is a gut check time for the Nailers. For the most part, the baby penguins, they're cruising right along. They're beating the teams they should beat. The people they need to perform or performing for Wheeling, it's a little bit of adversity.

Starting point is 00:22:18 It's a little bit of a gut check. It's time for them to step up and see what they're made of. Again, game five is tonight at 7 o'clock in Portland. Game 6 will be Saturday at 710 in Wheeling. And then if necessary, game 7 on Monday at inwheeling, I should say. So that is going to wrap up this middle segment. When we come back, our season in review series chugs right along. And we're going to talk about one of the biggest surprises of the penguin season.

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Starting point is 00:24:46 Don't you worry, Warrior Helmets coming right back next season. Instead, though, we continue our season in review series. And if you're just jumping on board with us here on Locked on Penguins, we switched it up this year, instead of going by points or production or value, whatever metric you want to use, we're simply going by games played this season. So up next is one of the biggest surprises of the year defenseman Parker Watherspoon. Appeared in 80 games this season with the Penguins. He was signed last off season to a two-year, $1 million per year deal.

Starting point is 00:25:24 ends up with three goals, 27 assists, 30 points. And Hunter, I think it's more than safe to say he shattered any and all expectations. I agree. And, you know, going into this season, he had really only played a little over 100 games in three seasons in the league. He then played 80 games this season, top pairing minutes basically the entire time, set career highs and goals with three, assists for 27. and then points with 30.

Starting point is 00:25:56 His career high in points before the season, Pat came in 23, 24 with the Bruins when he appeared in 41 games and only had eight assists. He was more of a depth defenseman for the Bruins. Obviously, he had that one season with the Islanders where he only played in 12 games during the 22, 23 season. But again,

Starting point is 00:26:12 he was mainly used more as a depth defender. He didn't really play this far up lineup. But he was a outstanding fit for Eric Carlson on the top pair, really allowed, Carlson to do his thing offensively while Watherspoon kind of covered for him defensively. He made the right reads. He didn't aggressively pinch too much.

Starting point is 00:26:32 He was very physical along the boards. He was just overall very steady on that pair of the penguins going into a free agency. They scouted him heavily. They felt that he was ready to potentially take a jump in terms of his minutes. And going into free agency, his underlying numbers were pretty sound, even though he had only played a little over 100 games. in three seasons. The Penguin said, hey, we feel like you're ready for a bigger role.

Starting point is 00:26:59 And they were proven right because he was very good on the top pair. Still has a year left on his contract. I assume just as of right now that he is still going to be on that top pair for next season with Carlson, unless they go out there and get a bona fide top pair guide for the left side to, you know, play with Carlson at least for next season and then potentially just play on that pair for future seasons. but as of right now, just because of no moves have been made, I'm operating under the assumption that Walterswin will be there. So overall, great on the PK2, brought some snarl,

Starting point is 00:27:32 really just an A season for now. I'll probably even go A plus, to be honest. That's the great I'm giving him. I can't give him anything other than an A plus. Just for no other reason, the preseason expectation that we had for him. We saw he gets signed, $1 million. We're thinking, uh, he's going to be a, depth guy might be on the second or third pair.

Starting point is 00:27:55 He's not going to see a lot of minutes. He's not going to bring a ton to the table. And he shatters all of it. And he puts up 30 points. He's stapled to Eric Carlson. And then what do you know, Eric Carlson has his best season as a penguin. And a lot of it was because it was the yin and the yang on that pairing.

Starting point is 00:28:15 He was the stay at home guy. He was the physical player. He was the player who you could depend upon to kind of be the maybe not babysitter for Eric Carlson, but he was defensively responsible enough and positionally sound enough that he could let Eric Carlson go run on the fields. He was the better than say babysitter. He was the dog sitter. He would open the gate to the fields and just say, you go run, I'll be here. You bring me your toy when you're done.

Starting point is 00:28:48 And he did great. And for what he makes and what his history was, this was an incredible overperformance. And it's hard to give him anything other than an A plus. I agree. I mean, again, he shattered all expectations coming into this season. And he went out there and performed great on the top here. Again, awesome defensively. Brought some physicality.

Starting point is 00:29:13 You can argue that he was their most physical player throughout the regular season. was good on the PK when he played there. The offense that he brought at times was very nice. He didn't really pinch that aggressively. His underlying numbers this year were really good as well. When he was on the ice, the Penguins had 52% of the shot attempts, plus 12 goal differential, 51% of the expected goals, 52% of the scoring chances and 52% of the high danger chances,

Starting point is 00:29:41 all very strong numbers this year. So early returns, at least for the full season, were great and I'm excited to see what he can do in year two. So A plus grade for me, that's really all I got on Wadr Spoon. And I will say, Pat, just to end the show, Sidney Crosby officially going to the World Championships that was announced on Tuesday, felt like he wasn't going to go after the preliminary roster got dropped. And Wadr Spoon was on that preliminary roster.

Starting point is 00:30:06 So Sid will get team up with him once again at the World Championships. I didn't think Sid was going to go. But in the end, he's like, hey, I'm going to go for it. This will be only his fourth time representing Canada at the world championships, though. He's been there three other times. I was not surprised that he's going because he has openly said at the stage he is in in his career to stay at his best. He's got to keep moving. They can't really take a lot of time off.

Starting point is 00:30:34 Otherwise, he kind of starts creaking a little bit. So not totally shocked. He's going, I guess this tells us his knees feeling pretty okay. The thing I'm curious to see when this starts, does he let Macklin Celebrini keep the sea? Or is he going to walk in and say, uh, not yet,

Starting point is 00:30:55 kiddo. It's, this is still my team. That's going to be really interesting to see. I'll be kind of funny if Macklin's like, okay, I'm just going to give this to you. I'm not going to say anything about it.

Starting point is 00:31:06 I'm also curious because I can see Sid being like, hey, hand that over, but I could also see Macklin being like, hey, I'll just do it with how you ask. me it's okay yeah hey we'll see at the end of the day it's not that big of a deal no but you know we'll see if he has the C and Maclin has an A or if Maclin's just going to be like hey

Starting point is 00:31:26 I'm going to keep it because I think honestly I don't know if Canada expected Sid to come that's why they gave Maclin the C originally because I think they were under the assumption that he wasn't going to go to the world championships but now that he is you know we'll see not a big deal, but something to at least keep in the back burner. We'll keep an eye on that and we'll obviously keep you updated here on the Locked on Penguins podcast. But that is going to do it for our Wednesday edition, Hunter and I will be back with a brand new episode for you on Thursday.

Starting point is 00:32:01 We'll have updates from the farm system. We'll keep our season and review series going and talk about anything that might happen between now and then. But for now, for Hunter Hodes, I am Patrick. Thank you, as always, for tuning in. We will talk to you once again on Thursday.

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