Locked On Titans - Daily Podcast On The Tennessee Titans - Locked On Titans- Dec. 21- WOAS, HDH, Pro Scope & more.

Episode Date: December 21, 2016

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Learn more about our healthy benefits at fepblue.org slash getmore. You are Locked on Titans, your daily podcast on the Tennessee Titans. Part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. And welcome to Locked on Titans, your daily source for all Titans news and information. With your host, Terry McCormick of TitanInsider.com, Greg Arias, and former Tennessee Titans all-pro left tackle Brad Hopkins. It's Wednesday, a lot of things on the menu today, including our What Others Are Saying segment, our Hump Day Happenings in Pro Scope.

But as always, Brad, Terry, we jump right into current news. And the big news for the Tennessee Titans and the NFL in general was the announcement of the Pro Bowl teams and the Titans guys with five Pro Bowl selections and three alternates. Those Pro Bowl selections include Jarrell Casey, Brian Arakpo, DeMarco Murray, Taylor LeJuan, and Delaney Walker, while Marcus Mariota, Jack Conklin, and Jalston Fowler, all named as alternates. Now, Brad, obviously you've got firsthand experience with this,

having been to the Pro Bowl yourself. Obviously, it is a great honor when you're selected by your peers in the NFL to appear in this contest. Absolutely. It is an individual accolade, fellas, but it is a team award because obviously that offensive line featuring a Pro Bowler and a Pro Bowl alternate have been playing extremely well all season for the most part.

And I just think that it's basically an indication of how the team is playing. Anytime you can have multiple Pro Bowlers in one season, that means that you must be doing something pretty well. Yeah, it's interesting that this team is getting the recognition that it is, getting five players selected for the Pro Bowl after going several years of not having anyone, at least on the first go-around. Not even last year did they have anybody

except for when Jarrell Casey and Delaney Walker made it as alternates. But on the initial go-around, there was no one. Now, guys, there have been some questions about Jack conklin and why he didn't make the pro bowl on the first go around because when you look at it he has been graded a lot of times and including we'll get into the numbers here this week but graded higher than taylor lawan my comment on that brad and obviously you can speak to this. I was asked on social media, is this a popularity contest?

And my thought is no. Conklin hasn't seen the entire NFL. He's only played against a few guys that know about his game. They're just trying to figure him out. Would there be any validity to that, that because he hasn't been through the entire NFL and every team hasn't seen him, they maybe don't know how well he's played this year? Yeah, that's exactly right. Instead of saying popularity, it's maybe familiarity.

And that's the one thing that Jack Conklin just basically has to show the NFL, that he can be a consistent force, basically a right tackle. Taylor LeJuan has typically gone against most of the better pass rushers, but I think that when you look at what Jack Conklin has done complimentary on the right side, it's almost just as well. But people just don't know this first-year player coming out of Michigan State, you know, how well he's going to be. So they will at some point in time. That's the reason why he was an alternate in his rookie season.

Right. And to that point, you know, talking about familiarity and things like that, you know, yes, when you're a rookie, you know, people don't know as much about you, and obviously there are some rookies who made the Pro Bowl. When you look at guys like Ezekiel Elliott, very deserving. But you also have to remember that the Dallas Cowboys are in the national spotlight a whole lot more than the Tennessee Titans.

The Titans had only one primetime game this year, that being a Thursday nighter against Jacksonville. So that was really the only time for players around the league to get a look at Jack Conklin and see what he could do, whereas they may be getting four, five, six looks at a lot of these other guys on other teams. And like Brad said, the familiarity kind of lends itself to being able to be voted upon

because when guys are asked for their vote, they immediately rattle off the names that are in their head that they're familiar with. And it's obviously easier for a rookie, guys, when you're a quarterback, Dak Prescott or Ezekiel Elliott, that puts up a stat line as opposed to an offensive lineman that you have to go a little bit deeper in depth, look at the film and really grade out how that guy performs as opposed to seeing the numbers

that make it a little bit harder for offensive linemen too at a young age. Yeah, and just to add real quick, and Greg, Terry, you both have been around the game long enough to recognize that a team doesn't typically go from picking in the top five to having pro bowlers on the offensive line. So there's been something unique here, and I probably would say it's coaching, it's Russ Grimm, it's Mike Malarkey, it's everything they're doing that allows the team to play better, therefore getting that national recognition.

I absolutely agree with that. You mentioned Russ Grimm, and now is probably as good a guy as any to give him a plug. I think Russ Grimm kind of is cut from that same cloth as Mike Munchak, a Hall of Famer as a player, a guy who knows what it's like to be in the trenches and block somebody for 60 plays a game on a Sunday, to pass blocks, to run blocks, to know what his assignment is, to know what blitz pickups are.

And the guys have bought into that. They've bought into that, and that's what you're seeing. That's why you're seeing such an elevated level of play from Taylor LeJuan, from Jack Conklin, and from the rest of this offensive body, the guys that aren't pro bowlers, guys that are very unheralded, like Quentin Spain and Josh Klein, getting the job done. Guys, the one player that stood out to me of this Titans group, and not that he's not deserving, but Jalston Fowler being an alternate to this,

when you look at his stat line, there's not a lot of stats there. This was all because of his blocking and what he has done, opening up holes for DeMarco Murray, who obviously made the Pro Bowl, and, of course, Derrick Henry, who's contributed as well back there. So that's kudos to him. And this was a guy that coming into the season, some people were like, what's this guy on the roster for? What's his purpose in this thing?

Because they didn't really use him in a lot of ways, but you've seen the value of him this season. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think, you know, Fowler, you know, fullback Fowler, it's kind of a lost art. You know, a fullback now, you play 12 snaps a game, and you've done probably a pretty good day's work. And the way the NFL works now, a lot of teams, especially with teams having to go to the read option

and teams running a lot of three wide receiver sets, things like that, it's kind of old school when you look at fullbacks. If you put a fullback in the game, that's the way football used to be played back in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s. Kudos to Charleston Fowler for getting that recognition with really a limited amount of work just simply for the position he played. You know what? Fullbacks are usually your toughest, hard-nosed guys on the team because they've got to come from depth and block linebackers.

So there has to be a proverbial screw loose in those guys. And, Terry, you remember guys that you covered, like Lorenzo Neal and Ahmad Hall, Sarge. Those guys were tough exterior guys that definitely, when called upon, answers the bell. Oh, there's no doubt about it. Those guys, they didn't get a lot of recognition. You know, they were happy if they caught, you know,

three or four passes a year just to get up ahead of steam and run down the field with the ball in their hands. But they were more than happy to contribute. And like you said, maybe a screw loose because they know that they're going to be called upon to pick up ahead of steam and go block a middle linebacker. Guys, let's move on to our What Others Are Saying segment. And, of course, as usual on Wednesdays, we look at the guys over at Pro Football Focus. When we talk about the offense, we've talked about all of the guys here,

save one name, guys, on the list from the Kansas City game in the Pro Bowl selections here in that Jack Conklin, who is an alternate, he was the top-rated offensive player for the Titans, 85.9. Joston Fowler, 84.2. Ben Jones, not a Pro Bowler, but certainly a key member of the offensive line, 80.9. Taylor LeJuan graded out at 77.9 and 77.8 for Delaney Walker in the Kansas City game. That tells you all you need to know about this football team. Brad, the heart and soul of this thing is the offensive line, isn't it? Oh, absolutely.

Well, actually, you know what? I'm going to say the lineup scrimmage is the strength of this team because Jarrell Casey, obviously, a perennial pro bowler, a guy that makes it back to there again, he's part of the pass rush. He's part of that pass rush that actually is getting to the quarterback effectively this year. So they're actually winning on both sides of the line of scrimmage. And you were saying something earlier about why Taylor LeJuan

might have gotten more recognition than Jack Conklin. And it just came to me that maybe it's because of some of the other press that we're hearing coming from Taylor LeJuan, not necessarily all the good things, but his name does get mentioned at least once, you know, when you're talking about laundry on the field. So it's a great opportunity for him to obviously extend his, you know, you know what I'm saying? He's doing a great job this year, but, you know, he'll step in it every now and then,

and maybe that's why people remember his name more. He makes SportsCenter occasionally with those things. Go ahead, Terry. Absolutely. I mean, as little as you think about it, it may be something to do that. You know, the fact that LaJuan getting into scraps on the field, LaJuan having a reputation as a little bit of a bad boy, it does, you know, make people remember who he is.

Yep, yep. Guys, on the other side of the football defensively, anybody want to take a guess who the highest-graded defensive player was in Kansas City last week? I'm going to go with LaTon Sims again. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, most definitely. You nailed it.

I agree with that. Absolutely. Absolutely. Not only was he the highest-rated defender, guys, he was the highest-rated Titan, 86.3 over Jack Conklin at 85.9. So the rookie certainly showing up at least last week. And, Terry, you and I talked about it yesterday, and Brad, we talked about it on Monday's edition,

how much better he's improved and played over the last couple of weeks, and those numbers certainly bear that out. Bryce McCain, guys, with an 80.5. Wesley Woodyard, 79.1. Carl Klug, even though he went out of the game with the injury and now is done, 76.9 was his grade. And Damian Stafford, a 75.4 to round out the tops on the defensive side of things.

You know, I wanted to ask Terry a question. You brought up all those wonderful statistics about another rookie that's actually doing well this year. I mean, you've got to give this coaching staff, Terry, a lot of credit for turning rookies into ready-made players. From Rashad Matthews to Kevin Byard, you just mentioned Sims, and obviously Derrick Henry's effective. They're getting these youngsters ready to play immediately,

and that's got to be a feather in the cap for the Titans coaching staff. Oh, it definitely is. I think that's one of the things, too, that you also got to tip your hat a little bit to John Robinson for making the decision on these guys. I mean, you know, time was, Brad, when Titans rookies, you know, even going back, even guys like Keith Bullock, who turned out to be a terrific player, he sat and watched for two years other than playing on special teams. He didn't become a starter until year three.

That was the old philosophy there, you know, except for a couple positions, maybe running back and maybe, you know, somewhere, you know, somebody could be a pass rusher. Other than that, really, you know, rookies around this franchise, it was sit there and wait your turn and learn the game and learn what you're supposed to do. Now they're plugging guys right in and expecting these guys to come through. And in a number of cases, they have come through.

Yeah, I think that I was the last rookie that was brought in to start. And I can't think of another guy that, you know that I was on the all-rookie team. That probably was because of a lack of rookies that were playing, like you said, Terry. I kind of understand what it's like to be thrust into a situation. Unfortunately for me, it was with an offense that I had no familiarity.

Remember the old run and shoot? Five wide? No tight end. No fullback. It's like playing a basketball game, essentially. That's why I came into the league. So it's kind of fun. What was that like? You know, you talk about the run and shoot with no tight end in the game. You know, tackles are used to seeing the tight end line up on their side.

It's got to be an extra guy over there, especially when the defense is overloaded. What was that like to just line up there and be all by yourself, knowing that there's maybe two guys standing over you ready to rush the play? The most terrifying thing ever, period. I think that one of the reasons why they drafted me was because I had good feet. And you know, Terry, Greg, that you have to have good feet to roll that pocket in a run and shoot offense. So they got me, I thought, moving up in the draft in front of the Cleveland Browns

to get somebody that could be mobile. And that was difficult for me because I didn't really understand a lot of the principles that came along with the run-and-shoot. I had to learn on the fly. So those 11 games I started as a rookie, man, they were definitely a learning lesson for me. Moving on, guys, to our Hump Day Happening segment. There have been some interesting rumors floating around, Terry Brad,

about this event or move that could possibly take place involving Richard Sherman. Terry, what have you heard about that, and what can you tell us? Well, it seems like Richard Sherman has been in a little bit of hot water here lately. First of all, for, I guess, berating Pete Carroll on the sideline over the play call and not wanting him to run the play that the offense had called. I guess he had nightmare visions of the Super Bowl play where Malcolm Butler picked off Russell Wilson rather than just handing the ball to Marshawn Lynch.

And then I guess when he was discussing with the media yesterday, he told a reporter that he would ruin his career and get his credential ganked after the guy had questioned him about some of these things. So it's not been a real good week for Richard Sherman. Sometimes players and media, they get a little bit sideways with each other. It's just part of the process because both of you have a job to do. Sometimes feelings get hurt. Sometimes things get in the way.

But Richard Sherman kind of crossed the line there, and I think he's kind of paying for it in the public eye right now. Yeah, and he himself, after realizing he didn't have near the power that he thought he did, kind of recanted some of his story there, apologized, and basically said that he let himself get emotionally invested in the question. And, you know, I can understand a guy like that's frustration. You know, basically the media a guy like that's frustration. You know, basically the media knows what the team tells them,

and it's up to them to put together the words to describe what they see. But that's not always the details. And I think that he's basically saying that, you know, because of where he's standing and because of where they're standing, meaning the guys are asking them questions, you know, that maybe they're not qualified to second guess him or anything of the likes. But I do love the way that this whole thing has been spun into Richard Sherman has yelled at the defensive or offensive coordinator for what he called. That didn't even happen.

But I've already heard four or five times on the major networks that Richard Sherman is yelling at offensive coordinators and telling them what to do. I mean, this thing just really spun out of control, basically. But, you know, like he just said, he didn't have that power. He got himself emotionally invested in the questioning, and sometimes that happens because there are very few careers where you can publicly be criticized on a daily basis.

I mean, none of those people that are asking the questions have that pen put back at them on a daily, regular basis. Like, how are you writing? Did the story that you put together make sense? You know, was it meaningful? Was it insightful? Or did you just plagiarize somebody else's stuff? There's no critiquing and grading.

There's no criticizing those that actually write the story. So there is kind of a disconnection in understanding why it is that Richard Sherman would take kind of personal when someone's talking about something that they have kind of limited experience in. You mean you don't go and critique your insurance agent or your auto

mechanic on a regular basis? No, actually I just go to another one if I don't like the work. I'm not going to tell them, hey, you need to do a better job and here's $1,500 for my transmission no i just go see somebody else now guys i did an interview the other night for a radio podcast program and it was asked the question is there any chance that richard Richard Sherman winds up getting out of Seattle because of all of this? Brad, do you think that's a possibility that maybe he's worn out his welcome

up there and the Seahawks might look to make a move in some kind of way? Au contraire, mon frere. He hasn't worn out his welcome by any stretch. The national media doesn't like him. The Seattle area, they love Richard Sherman. Richard Sherman's one of those guys that you want him to be on your team. You hate him when he's not. Pete Carroll, he's a guy that believes in self-expression.

He's not going to put a clamp or the cabage on what these guys are doing as far as saying what they feel and what they think. He's a grown man. These aren't kids. And, you know, so I think that sometimes we get sideways trying to realize that player is completely different in college than it is in the pros. Player in college is a young, developing student athlete. You know, a player, when you're talking about the pros, are people that pay taxes just like you, that have kids in school just like you,

that, you know, do things on a regular basis like adults do. Sometimes people forget that. Yeah, that's a good point to bring up. I mean, I think when you look at it, and yes, Richard Sherman can be outspoken. Richard Sherman is a guy who sometimes maybe oversteps his bounds and isn't afraid to put himself out there. But the bottom line is Richard Sherman is still one of the top handful of cornerbacks in the National Football League, and those don't grow on trees,

and the Seattle Seahawks are not about to part ways with him as long as he's an effective player. Brad, you mentioned college athletes a moment ago, which brings us to our Pro Scope segment. It's not entirely on the NFL today because there's a disturbing trend to me taking place in college football. A couple of names that come to mind, Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey.

I started to say Ed. Shock Linwood especially. Now, these guys are foregoing their bowl games, not playing in these because of fear of injury. I get maybe Leonard Fournette because he's probably going to be a top 10, top 15 draft pick. He has been injured throughout the course of the season, and he perhaps needs to get healthy.

But some of these other guys that we're seeing, and Shock Linwood was a name, Brad, that certainly jumps out of the season, and he perhaps needs to get healthy. But some of these other guys that we're seeing, and Shock Linwood was a name, Brad, that certainly jumps out of this list because he's a guy that's probably at best a fifth or sixth round pick, and he's not going to play in a bowl game because of fear of injury, saying he wants to get ready to go to the combine and do the NFL stuff. That's just ridiculous to me. Well, some would say that the bowl games themselves that really have no consequence on anything are ridiculous

because even though you don't have to be called exhibition games, that's exactly what they are. They are of no title implications. They basically don't do anything other than just give the schools, universities money and add extra practice time, which coaches use to develop their rosters further. I mean, it's a good thing to be able to practice in the months of November and December because you played well during the regular season

and therefore helping your team continue to get better. But we've also got to look at this. It's a money grab. It's just universities jumping into a tube of cash and grabbing it while the vacuum's running around, blowing it all around. Because essentially, those bowl games, other than the three bowl games that we're talking about, that actually have a say in who's the national champion,

even the New Year's Six games themselves don't mean the Philippines. Now, there's more pageantry games. You're talking about rose and sugar and citrus and stuff like that. But the Sun Bowl, but some of these other bowl games that are played in the month of December, you know, like 23rd and stuff like that. Seriously, come on, guys. What are we potentially sacrificing here? And that's what can happen.

And you're talking about three similar positions that have a lot of physical contact where you can lose it in just one play, running back. You don't see anybody else doing that, but the position that actually can suffer the most injury and that could be most affected by just one simple play would be the guys that are trying to protect their inches right now. Well, you know, the thing that I go back to is what happened with Notre Dame's Jalen Smith last year. Kid was going to be a top-end pick, and he still hasn't, as far as I know,

still hasn't played an NFL down yet. He fell all the way to the second round where the Dallas Cowboys took a gamble on him that he might be able to make it back and that he might be able to play next year or the year after or whatever. So, you know, that kid lost millions of dollars playing in a bowl game that, you know, that kid lost millions of dollars playing in a bowl game

that, you know, probably nobody other than Notre Dame and whoever their opponent was last year really cared about. You know, I see both sides of it. I mean, you know, the kids, you know, the athletes, they know what they're signing up for. They're getting a free education. And, yes, the schools are making millions of dollars off of them. And with the merchandise that's generated

and the ticket sales that are generated and the television money, you know, they know what they're signing up for. I do think, you know, that they're kind of being exploited when you really look at it, but, you know, they realize that going in. But on the other hand, you know, your body is your investment. If I'm Leonard Fournette or Christian McCaffrey, you know, I don't really fault them for making the decision that they made because they're protecting their interest because knowing at the next level,

especially being a running back, like you said, taking a lot of punishment. You know, a running back career that lasts seven years is considered very long. You know, and these guys probably, you know, they don't want to risk any injury that's going to cut short their time in the league and their opportunity to be the best player that they can be. I see both sides of it. I see you may be committed to your school, but you've also got to look out for yourself and your future. I know this, guys.

Let's not, you know, lose sight of what really is the focus here. These players, most of them, the ones that actually are leaving school early, the ones that actually have a future in the NFL, that was the goal from the very beginning. The only reason why they, quote-unquote, signed up is because they had to. This isn't the NBA where you can just jump from high school to the NBA if you're that good and forego being a one-and-donner and just go to school.

See, Ben Simmons wouldn't have even stepped foot on LSU's campus had he had the ability to go straight to college, straight to the pros. He had to do the obligatory year there and act like a student for a semester before he could leave. There are no options because there is no minor league. If you want to play in the league and your body is physically able to do it, like, say, a Christian McCaffrey or a Leonard Fournette or a Shaq Linwood, and you can actually make an impression in the NFL, you have to go into the NFL through college.

So all of this is picking one of a lesser of two evils. You know, there's options, but, I mean, you have to do it, basically. Which leads us back to the question, you know, that a lot of people ask, and, you know, it's been tossed around before. You know, rather than relying on college football, which of course gives them a free minor league system, so to speak, all they have to do is sit there and draft players, you know, do you think there will ever be a developmental NFL league

where guys can, you know, 19-, 20-year-old kids can go there, play two or three years in places like Des Moines, Iowa, and then all of a sudden get a call up to the Tennessee Titans? Yeah, when they finally call what college football and college sports is, it's not amateur athletics. Oh, is it amateur athletics when you've got a coach walking around a campus making seven figures? Are you kidding me?

And while it's free labor because you have to do it as an obligatory situation to, yeah, quote, unquote, get an education. Who's thinking about getting an education when you've got the potential to make $40 million a year? I mean, think about it. Some guys can walk around with that in their back pocket, you know what I mean? Because that's something that's going to be their future. I wouldn't really trust a guy that's 6'11 to be an engineer.

There's obviously a different future for you. You know, if you're built to do these things, and that's what's in your heart to do it, I mean, to pursue it, we're putting in parameters that now we make them subjective to, like, criticism and ridicule for? Come on, that's not right. I mean, I'm just saying, because put it this way. There's only 53 dudes that make an active roster during the season, right, on every team in the NFL.

How many more kids do you think that didn't make teams could actually put together a cool little minor league team in smaller markets in the United States where there are more affordable tickets, just like a minor league baseball game, and you can go see that guy that was an awesome college player but just kind of really wasn't ready for the pros. Well, shoot, he's been in this minor developmental league for four years now

and looks pretty good. Would you go out and pay a ticket for that that costs half the ticket for an NFL game to see some of those guys that you loved in college but just couldn't quite make it? That'd be awesome. Potentially. Potentially. I mean, you know, I think a lot of people, you know, it's been sort of tried before, you know, with the World League of American Football or NFL Europe,

whatever you want to call it. Yeah. You know, it was done, you know, I think the inconvenience of it being in Europe probably hurt it, you know, rather than, you know, I think if you located it in some college town, played in the springtime, played in March, April, and May, when, you know, people are craving football, but there's no football out there other than the draft,

then perhaps, you know, perhaps you could make a go of it. You know, if you you put teams at or near college towns, put a team in Birmingham, Alabama, people will show up because it's football country. I'll say this, though. Because there's still a link between the

college and pro game, even from coaching. Guys jump back and forth from college to pro coaching all the time, so there's still a link there. Until that is dissolved or somehow reshaped because, you know, we're looking at college in two different forms for two different groups. You know, a student athlete, in most cases, wants to play professionally, and let's just say a team said, yeah, we've got a 17-and-up league that we'd love to put you in

so that way you can grow into what we can actually farm and be a part of our league. That doesn't exist. So you therefore have to get educated on what? I mean, they're wanting to shoot baskets. They're wanting to tackle people. They're wanting to hit baseballs. They're not wanting to study Pythagorean theorems

and classic civilization and speak languages and things like that. That's just not something that they're interested in. But yet they have to be a part of that to do what they want to do ultimately. How unfair would it be if everyone that had an engineering degree had to run a marathon before they actually graduated? I mean, think about that. That'd be something that's unfair, but, you know, you had to do it as a as a prerequisite to get your degree you had to do something physical like what you're asking athletes to do when you're talking about educating themselves or having to have a degree in pocket you know you know i'm

saying going through the process of being a student that is a great point guys you've really brought some good stuff to that one and certainly this is a subject that's going to continue to be debated as the list probably will continue to grow of players that skip bowl games other than obviously if you're in the final four playing for a national championship so it's certainly something that i'm sure we will hear more about in the future but it's time for the final thoughts on this wednesday edition terry lead us off with your final thought here. All right. My final thought, going back to a story that I did a couple of weeks ago,

talking about Brett Kern and his shoes. He's worn the same pair of shoes for three years. Well, he called me aside at practice yesterday, told me to look down at his feet. He's breaking in a new pair of cleats because the old ones have just about bought the farm. So, Brett Kern, after three years in the same cleat, he's going to go down the home stretch, it looks like, with breaking in a brand-new pair.

Hold on a second. My final thought is going to piggyback right off of that because I've got concerns. This team's been playing very well. Brett Kern's been playing very well with them old Dusty Oak fleets. If he changes his fleets and something happens in the next game, I'll tell you what, I'm blaming the fleets. No superstition there, is there, Brad?

I'm just saying. Look, I'm not superstitious, but I don't like black cats, and I don't walk on their ladder. I can't blame you for those two, definitely. My final thought on this Wednesday, guys, going back to the current news and the Pro Bowl, the five Titans players being on the Pro Bowl team and then having three alternates. That's eight players. You go back and look at the last three years combined with

the Titans, they didn't have that many people in the last three years combined make Pro Bowl rosters and or alternates. Of course, last year, Casey and Walker, both alternates, both wound up getting to play in the game. That, guys, to me is the biggest indicator of the change that has been made under John Robinson and Mike Malarkey. The fact that the Titans could do that and jump from one year to the next and have this many guys in the Pro Bowl and three more waiting

that potentially could get in, it says a lot to me about what's going on with this franchise and the fact that things are certainly looking up. Guys, great episode today. You guys did a fabulous job on that college discussion. Thanks so much for that. And I hope the listeners enjoyed that as much as I did just sitting here listening to you go back and forth with it. That'll do it for us today. We'll see you again on Thursday.

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