Locked On Titans - Daily Podcast On The Tennessee Titans - Locked on Titans: Sorting through the mess in Indy

Episode Date: November 19, 2018

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Welcome in to another edition of Locked on Titans. I'm Jimmy Morris, joined as always by Terry Lambert. Terry, I won't bother asking you how you are tonight. I think we all have the same feeling right now, like another Colts game. Yep, just another glorious day in the ups and downs of being a Titans fan. Yeah, I mean, it's really unbelievable. I guess it's not unbelievable, right? That's a word we use a lot of times, but it's very believable is what seems to always happen. So we'll try to talk through this with everybody. It's like a therapy session more so than a recap. Anyway, remind you, before we do that, we're at fmucmiracles.com.

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Search out Locked on Titans. All right. So Titans go to Indy. Lay an egg, 38-10. Stop me if you've heard this before. It was never really a competitive game. I was trying to, before we started recording this, I was looking back through the play-by-play,

trying to figure out when it was over, and it was over a lot earlier than I thought. I mean, I thought it was over 17-0, just with the way that the Colts had been playing offense. We thought the Titans offense would be able to score in this game. And so if you can keep it kind of a back-and-forth deal, once it's 17-0, the offense is obviously lost. This is before Marcus gets hurt and all that stuff.

But I don't know. It was just another one of those Indianapolis games, and it was over before you really even got settled into your chair watching the game. and it was over before you really even got settled into your chair watching the game, you know. And I just don't understand why this always happens to this team. It reminded me of the Houston game in Houston last year where the bottom fell out so quickly before you sat down, the game was over.

It's just that everything went wrong. Nothing went right. I mean, goodness sakes, you had Dean Pease leaving the sidelines with a medical emergency. What else could possibly go wrong on this day? So I don't know why the Titans can't lose in seemingly normal fashion like normal NFL teams do. You don't score enough points.

You give up a touchdown or two. That's fine. You can stomach that. You can grow from that. There are positives. But no, it seems like when they lose, the bottom falls out, and that creates the whole sky is falling attitude that you see out of Titans fans. We've ragged on them before, but it's, you know,

you start to understand it. It's just when it rains, it pours with the Titans, and I can't figure out why. You know, it was bad enough getting blown out, but then you throw in the Marcus injury, then you throw in this Dean Pease situation. It's just bizarre. But then you throw in the Marcus injury, then you throw in this Dean Pease situation.

It's just bizarre. Yeah, obviously, if you didn't hear, Dean Pease left the game during the first quarter, was having some type of medical issue, and they came and got him, took him to the hospital. I saw a quote from Vrabel. I saw the quote in a Teron Davenport ESPN story. This is okay. He's going to stay in Indianapolis in the hospital overnight. I don't know what it was. I hate to speculate on anything.

But, yeah, I mean, that obviously has to throw the team out of sync, right, because you've got a different guy calling the plays. Vrabel took over and called the defense for the rest of the day. And, obviously, the biggest thing there is you hope Dean Pease is okay. That's obviously more important than anything that happened on the field. But it just adds to what's been such a bizarre season for the Titans. Starting out in Miami with the long weather delays and all that kind of stuff. And then Marcus has the elbow thing without both your tackles for a couple games.

Delaney breaks his ankle. Rashard Matthews quits. I mean, it's just like you couldn't – like if we'd have come on our podcast before the Miami game and said, okay, here's what's going to happen this year, and we had listed all those things, everybody would have unsubscribed because these people are ridiculous. They have no idea what life really is.

But it's all happened, and it's like these people are ridiculous they have no idea you know what what life really is um but it's it's all happened and it's just it's wild um somebody posted i can't remember where i saw it on twitter that that triangle uh where the you know it's at the top says i get my hopes up and then it goes down so i get disappointed and then it goes over and i start i start to believe again it's just like the it's just a constant cycle of being a titans fan I believe, again. It's just the constant cycle of being a Titans fan. And it's so true. And if you go back and listen or read whatever throughout this season, it's like we were sky high heading into Miami.

And then we were, well, maybe not as good as we thought. The ladies hurt. You have two good games in a row, three good games in a row, where you're doing all this stuff without your guys and all this stuff. And then all of a sudden sudden it's like three losses. I mean, it's just this over and over and over. And, I mean, listen, part of it is the NFL. This happens to a lot of NFL teams and a lot of bizarre things

that happened even just today around the league. But this team in particular seems to go through these cycles where they look like the worst team in the NFL. And then they come back and look like, OK, you know, this is a team that can contend, especially in the AFC South, maybe the AFC just in general. And then we just go back through that cycle again. Yeah, I just really don't understand why there can't be any consistency whatsoever. You know, I think we said it on the Friday podcast. We were both pretty confident, and we both said to each other,

we're very confident, so we know what's coming. We know exactly what's coming down the pike. Titans are going to get blown away. You're going to Indy playing Andrew Luck, who apparently cannot lose to the Titans. Sure enough, our suspicions were true. The Titans made a bad Indy defense look like the Ravens. You know, this looked like the Baltimore Ravens game.

The offensive line was just atrocious. Jack Conklin, again, a rough game. I think it's officially time to worry about Jack Conklin. Obviously hasn't returned to form. You don't know if that knee's 100% okay, but he's not the same player even that he was last year, much less his rookie season when he was an All-Pro. So there's a big problem there. Then you look at Marcus Mariota today before the injury.

Just not a lot happening there. And it's just puzzling because this offense has looked so good for the last three weeks Uh going all the way back to london marcus. Moreno looks smooth Looks like he was fixed looks like he was understanding And then he gets out there today and i'm not sure If the receivers weren't getting any separation or what was going on, but he seemed to hold the ball a lot today I don't I don't know if it was something where he got hit and just kind of got shell-shocked, kind of like the Baltimore game.

You know, you didn't really blame him for his performance in the Baltimore game. That might have been what happened here, but nothing doing for Marcus Mariota. And once again, we're back to square one seemingly with Marcus Mariota. If you look around Twitter, everyone's looking to move on from Mariota, just forgetting what he did the past three weeks. And I totally get that from an injury standpoint, but from a purely on-field performance, I can't ignore what he did the last three weeks.

Yeah, and that's my thing. I've been going back and forth with some people on Twitter, you know, about – because what do you do here, right? And this is a discussion we can have a little bit now, but it's, you know, more so for the end of the year. But, you know, Marcus is here next year, right? They picked up his fifth-year option. His cap number is basically $21 million next year.

So you've got him here for another year. They're not going to draft a quarterback in the first round this year. That would be dumb. But at some point, you've got to make a decision on what you're going to do with him long term. And it's not as easy as we'll offer him three years, 40 – I mean, you can't – like quarterbacks get certain numbers. And so if they're going to extend him, you're talking about an extension that's going to be $100 million. I mean, that's just what it is. And so at this point, I don't know how you feel confident in making that decision.

And listen, I still think when he's healthy and on the field, I think he is plenty good enough to be a franchise quarterback. But he can't consistently stay on the field. And, look, I mean, he's had a lot of bad luck. You would think eventually it would all even out. I mean, I don't know. But at this point, there is some type of skill for staying healthy, and he hasn't been able to do that. So that's my point is that, like, I just feel like you can't count on a guy

who can't consistently stay on the field. And that's where we is that like i just feel like you can't count on a guy who can't consistently stay on the field and that's just that's where we are with marcus's point again we don't know how bad this is we don't know if it's a if it's the same deal from miami he's gonna put the glove back on like i don't have any idea what's happening here after the game vrabel said marcus said he could go back in we decided to hold hold him out. I mean, and it makes sense. That game was over. That game was over. Now, Mike Brown's not going to say we held him out because that game was over

because, you know, they can't say that they think like that, even though I'm sure they probably did. So, I mean, it makes sense from that standpoint. But, I don't know. That's my only beef with him is his ability to stay on the field. Because, I mean, sure, he has bad games. But if you watch – I mean, if you sit down and watch an NFL game, you watch Aaron Rodgers on Thursday night, I mean, he missed some stuff.

Like, there's some stuff there that he's missing. And, I mean, you see that from guys. Guys have bad games, whatever. But at this point, the biggest thing for me is he's got to be on the field, and he hasn't been able to consistently do that at all in his career. I mean, the best year that he had was his second year where he played every game except for when he got hurt against Jacksonville. That was, what, week 16?

Other than that, it's been stuff like this, and he's been kind of on and off, on and off, and it's just hard for a guy to get into a rhythm like that. It's hard for an offense to get into a rhythm when you've got your guy in and out like that. Yeah, at some point, you hit on it, bad luck goes away, and you just become a guy that gets hurt a lot. And, yeah, that's almost not even fair to say, but the hits that he took today, it's just brutal.

If they come out and say it's a UCL again, man, it's going to be really hard for me to really gear up and get excited and get behind Blaine Gabbert. Because what we saw today, my Lord, that interception, that first pick he threw, you could see it in Blaine Gabbert's eyes. You could see the panic in his feet. You could see him just quickly trying to get to his check down, and he got there, and he

found a linebacker, and he threw it right to him. I mean, it was one of the worst plays you will ever see when watching NFL football. So you just got to kind of hope that they held Marcus out just to be safe and assuming that the game was over, trying to minimize the damage there, which was obviously a smart call. But if it's that nerve in his elbow that affects his fingers again, man, that's going to be a really bad deal. Yeah, I mean, it took six weeks, seven weeks for him to take the glove off, you know, and there's six weeks left in the season.

So, I mean, yeah, it's not a good thing. But like I said, hopefully it was just, you know, kind of a twinge type deal and he can go next week. I guess, you know, who knows how soon we'll know that. Probably not until towards the end of the week. But anyway, all right, we'll look a little bit more specifically at the offense when we come back. Before we do that, I'm going to tell you about MyBookie.

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Gabbert is a disaster. They can't win with him. There was a part of me that was like, you look at what the Eagles were able to do last year with Nick Foles, right? Their quarterback went down. They had such a great system. They could plug the guy in, you know, all that stuff.

And maybe Matt LaFleur is that same guy. Well, he's not. Blaine Gabbert's not Nick Foles. Whatever. He's scared. He throws everything off of his back foot while running backwards. I don't know. It's just not good.

But, I mean, we know that. There's no great breakdown or detail there. You know that if Marcus Mariota's not out there, this team is not going anywhere. They may not go anywhere with Marcus Mariota's back there. The offensive line is a problem. We touched on that a little bit already. But I don't know.

Quinn Spain seems to be playing fairly well. Taylor LeJuan seems to play fairly well at times. Everybody else is not good. They will move on from Ben Jones after this season. They can't move on from Josh Klein after this season because they gave him way too much money. He's not, I don't know, I don't understand it. He's not good.

He wasn't good last year. There was all the talk of the zone blocking scheme and all that stuff helping him, but it doesn't seem to have helped him a whole lot. You already touched on the issues with Conklin. That's a problem. That's a concern going forward. Look, the running game

you're obviously you don't have much of a running game when you're down as bad as they were as quickly as they were um you're not going to be able to sit back there and establish a running game uh they had i guess 25 total carries for those being uh with marcus Derrick Henry 9 for 46. He had a 16-yard run, which was his longest run of the season. So if that tells you anything about how his season has gone, Deion Lewis 10 for 24. So, I mean, neither one of them were good. I still think that this offense is better with Deion Lewis back there as the running back.

But with the way this offensive line is playing right now, it honestly doesn't really matter who the running back is. Yeah, I think I said this about a month ago, right before the Titans seemed to turn around. They won't be good until this offensive line is good. Offensive line wasn't good today. They weren't good. I think that's an easy conclusion to draw.

And, you know, you touched on it, Josh Klein. Nobody talks about that contract they gave him. I don't have it in front of me, but I think it was over $25 million total. It was weird. Remember, they took the stance of we're going to risk Quentin Spain walking, but we're going to

lock up Josh Klein. That was weird. I think he's been bad. Jack Conklin's taken a step back. Ben Jones has been up and down at best. So until they're consistent, this offense is going to struggle. And the frustrating thing about it was you saw it for three weeks. They were blowing people off the ball. Deion Lewis was great.

Derrick Henry even flashed a little bit. They were protecting Marcus Mariota. Then you go to Indy and face a bad Colts defense, and it all falls apart. I have no idea what the answer is there. I don't know why it's so hard to be somewhat consistent in this league. But apparently it is for the Titans. They've done this for four years, but Yeah, Derek Henry, you touched on it. How about that screen pass that he dropped hit him right in the hands?

It was a pretty you know routine catch and he Bounces up in the air like a beach ball. I was surprised that wasn't picked as well with the way the Titans game was going. Yeah, and I'm kind of out on Derrick Henry. My fellow Bama fans will kill me for that because you can't say that, but I just don't think he has it. We've been over all that. Receiving-wise, Andy Ferkser and Jonu Smith are your leading receivers with 44 yards each.

Again, that kind of tells you all you need to know about how the game went. Jonu Smith caught six passes, so, I mean, I guess that's something. Tajay Sharp, 5 for 37, Corey Davis, 2 for 30. You know, look, again, it was just a disaster all the way around, so it's hard to really say this or that, whatever happened, because it's just everything goes wrong. But we talked about the Colts playing a lot of zone. They did some things, obviously, to confuse Mariota

and to confuse the line in the beginning of the game. Mariota threw a bad pick where he just didn't see a guy standing there. Mario threw a bad pick where he just didn't see a guy standing there. And, again, this team, Corey Davis is really good when he's, you know, matched up one-on-one on a guy. He wins that matchup. And we saw him, you know, beat Stephon Gilmore last week really consistently. And that's a guy that's an elite corner in this league.

But the offense as a whole struggles when they face the zone. I don't know if it's them being young, the play calling. I don't know what exactly it is. But that's kind of seemed to be an issue for them is that, you know, when you got Corey Davis out there with somebody he can beat, he's a beast. You know what I mean? That sounds so simple. And like you say that, yeah, well, that's true for anybody.

But like I said, Corey Davis has done it against some really good players this year. But today, everybody looked lost the whole game. The Colts' defense is not good. That's the thing. When they weren't able to move the ball on the Bills, the Bills are not good, but their defense has been pretty good at times. They've done what they did to the Titans to a few other teams.

So that one made a little bit more sense. This one today, I just don't know. They're flat. I don't know. I don't know. I wish there was something that we could, and maybe when Mike does his film breakdown, he'll have some magic answer for us.

But they looked confused from the get-go and overmatched. And, again, it's not a defense that has the talent to overmatch them. Yeah, you talk about the Colts throwing some different looks, some zone at them. And you've got to remember, this receiver group is pretty young, pretty inexperienced. I mean, you're talking about John New Smith and Anthony Fergster leading the team. But much less Cam Batson and Tajay Sharp and Corey Davis. Those guys haven't played a lot of NFL football. So they've come along the last couple weeks. Maybe the Colts threw something at them, threw them for a loop.

That would make sense, just seeing how Marcus played, seeing how he was in the pocket. Marcus just seemed gun-shy, And there's a reason for that. There's stuff that you can't see from the TV camera. So yeah, like you said, I'm interested to see what Mike has to say after he takes a look at the all 22. But yeah, it's got to be better.

And we talked about it a lot. Titans didn't add a playmaker. It's worked. Maybe they were just kind of punching above their weight for a couple of weeks, and now they've come crashing back down to earth. Just find some sort of happy medium. I mean, I don't think there's too much to ask. Well, like you said, it makes sense.

I mean, when you look at just the guys listed that caught passes today, Anthony Ferkser, rookie, John Smith, second year, Tajay Sharp, third year, but missed his whole second year, Corey Davis, second year, Tajay Sharp, third year, but missed his whole second year. Corey Davis, second year. Michael Pruitt, I don't care. Luke Stocker. I mean, Luke Stocker's probably got the most offensive experience of anybody in this group. Deion Lewis, I mean, you could throw him in there as well.

Then Cam Batson, rookie. So, I mean, it's just a bunch of guys that haven't done it before. And, again, it's really easy for us to sit here and say this now with Delaney out, Rashard gone, all that kind of stuff, the moves that they should have made. But it just seemed obvious, or at least that they needed to do something back at the time. And I think that's just coming back to bite them a little bit. Now, again, with the bad offensive line played,

I don't think it would have mattered if they had, you know, Julio Jones and Antonio Brown out there today. They didn't have any time. And once you get Blaine Gabbert out there today. They didn't have any time. And once you get Blaine Gabbert out there, it's just not going to happen. But I do think, like you said, it's a little bit of a product of just a bunch of guys that are inexperienced out there. And just the first year in the offense, all that kind of stuff too. But for most of these guys, it's their first year to play in the NFL.

So anyway, I don't know how it improves much from that. But hopefully they can find something because you got a game in Houston that still, if you win it, you're still in the mix. So anyway, that's all. Like it's not a whole lot of positives or any positives really to take away from the offense. All right, coming up we'll wrap up the show looking at what the defense did. So I think the best thing you can say about the defense

is that they held Andrew Luck under 300 yards passing, hit there for 297, and three touchdowns, 23 of 29. I mean, just ridiculous. QB rating of 143.8. Look, Andrew Luck's been really good. We talked about that. He still hasn't been sacked in, you know, four or five weeks, whatever it is now. Titans didn't really get close to sacking him today.

I guess there was a guy maybe in the backfield once or twice that he kind of had to step away from. But, for the most part, he had a pretty clean pocket back there. You know, we talked about – we spent so much time talking about edge rushers in the offseason, and obviously they drafted Harold Landry. You know, they've done a little bit to address that position. But where is Brian Arakpo? He's out there playing a bunch of snaps.

But he doesn't show up. You know, Derek Morgan was back today, but you didn't really see anything out of him. So I don't know. I mean, this team, I don't know. These holes just seem to keep popping up at the same places but then kind of different places. But they're not getting much. Even in the games where they've been able to get pressure and do some things,

you don't have the Brian Arakpo and Derek Morgan showing up in those games. And, I mean, I think that is part of the problem here. Well, when have the Titans gotten pressure? Yeah, it's all come right up the middle. Yeah, it's been on middle linebacker, cross blitzes, all kinds of stuff like that. Team pieces really had to scheme it up. So you're not winning one-on-one matchups out there on the edge,

outside of Harold Landry here or there, and he's not playing a full load of snaps yet. Obviously still in a rotation. So Landry was the start of that rebuild. And it really should have started two years ago. You saw Morgan, who, you know, average pass rusher in this league. You know, let's just face it. And Arakpo is starting to slow down.

So I don't know why. Well, I guess they did try with Kevin Dodd. But it just seems like for a couple years there, they kind of ignored it. So, yeah, I think that's a big problem. I thought you saw a really comfortable Andrew up. The most disappointing thing to me was Dory Jackson. T.Y. Hilton roasted him. On that touchdown, I am still trying to figure out what Dory was doing.

It seemed like he had a shot to make a play on the football. I don't know if you can go get that ball and pick it off, but at the very least you can knock it away. I thought he was in a decent position, and he just didn't turn around and look for it. So, you know, that was the biggest thing to me because we spent a lot of time last week talking about Adorey and how if he can take the next step, that's going to help Malcolm Butler.

You know, that's going to take some pressure off of him. That's going to help Malcolm Butler. That's going to take some pressure off of him. Well, now Adory was drafted to stick with guys like Adory Jack, excuse me, T.Y. Hilton, and it just did not happen today. Yeah, and look, I should have said it at the beginning. The defense has been really good this year. Cayman has the number one scoring defense.

And it's hard when you have a day where the offense is not able to stay on the field. That's going to be tough on any defense. So, you know, it's hard to be, you know, too tough on them based on what they've done to this point. But, yeah, Adore was bad today. He struggled bad, you know, nine for 155, two touchdowns for T.Y. Hilton. And there was another long pass interference where Adore was beaten, you know, just kind of tackled him. So, yeah, I mean, that was tough. He's, I mean, in my mind, he's drafted to stop T.Y. Hilton. I mean, that's like one of the guys you have in mind when you make that pick,

and it didn't work out today. You know, and again, Andrew Luck has had the Titans number. I mean, there's just no two ways about it. You know, the Titans got two wins last year against the Colts, but those were both against Jacoby Brissett. Still haven't beaten Andrew Luck in his career. Well, that's ten games against him, I guess. I mean, they've lost all ten of those.

That's amazing. It is. It's just crazy. And again, like, this league is funny because we were sitting here a week ago and coming off just a completely dominating performance against Tom Brady, against that Patriots offense that is still really good. And all these things that we think we know, and then we come out this week and we have this game.

So, like i said the defense overall has been very good i think that you have some extenuating circumstances today when your play caller is not there um you know and was was there at the beginning of the day and then is gone um it's a lot for i mean think about it mike vrabel as a first year head coach comes into a game not planning on calling the defense. He's got all his other head coaching things to do. And then he gets that, whatever it was. That's a thing. That's an issue.

That's going to be a tough thing to overcome. Again, partially we're making excuses here, sure. But I do think that that's a thing and you i mean you're talking about it right you what you said dean p's has been dialing up these blitz has been doing this stuff to make these things happen well he's not there today so you know it that's a thing um it was it's a tough day all the way around and you know again if you're i just i need to i should go i know Mike does winners and losers, and he's already posted it. I should go see if I can figure out what he put as a winner.

Oh, Anthony Ferkser, you know. Yeah, well, of course. But, like, I mean, I just – I am having – no, he put none. Okay, there you go. I just – like, I cannot – even in all the other losses, I feel like you said, well, the defense played well, but this happened, or this guy played well, but whatever.

There's nothing redeeming here. There's just nothing positive to take away from this game. Because you can't even say, I mean, this is one of those games where we'd love to come on here and say, hey, everybody came away healthy. That's a loss. We move forward. Well, now we've got Marcus Hurt. Don't know what that means.

So I don't know. I mean, I'm struggling for any silver lining here. Yeah, I think you nailed it earlier in the show when you pointed out how young everybody was, especially offensively. So that's going to happen. And you got young guys playing big roles on teams. You don't always know what you're going to get.

Then you've got this offensive line that nobody can figure out. So you're just going to have ups and downs. Then you throw in the Dean Pease thing. You can't understate how big of a deal that was. Dean Pease has been awesome this year, dialing up those blitzes, making adjustments throughout the the game and look he was already down he was already in a hole his defense was already maybe underperforming uh the offense he wasn't going to make the offense any better um but you know you never know it just

seemed like everything piled up against titan so uh all you can do right now as a Titans fan is just kind of try and delete it from your memory bank. Hope that Marcus Mariota doesn't have a UCL injury again. Hopefully he can go. Because, I mean, really, I would hate to see that Monday night game against the Texans wasted. That's such a big spot. That's a big spot for Marcus Mariota. It's a big spot for Deshaun Watson. Big spot for the AFC South. I know it didn't go

so well, but you've got a shot next week, assuming Marcus Mariota is healthy, to get right back in things. Yeah. You win that game and you're a game back. Now they're going to be tied with the Colts. Obviously, at this point, they wouldn't have the tiebreaker against the Colts having lost to them,

but you're still there. You know, that's the thing that we talked when we had Mike Keith on earlier this week, he said, or last week, he said, you know, you got to get one of these two and you know,

you'd love to go ahead and get the first one, but they didn't. So, um, you, you come back and get that game and, you know, you got,

you got, you just move on. Right. And that's the only thing you can do that's what players will do they'll come in I'm assuming tomorrow and try to put it behind them and get ready for Houston anyway like I said

I wish there was at least one thing that we could take away as positive but I'm just struggling to find any of that tonight alright so that'll do it for tonight we will be kind of on a semi-normal schedule this week. We should have episodes. We'll have a crossover episode that'll come out on Wednesday. We'll talk about what Mike Vrabel says tomorrow in his press conference.

Or, you know, on Monday. We'll talk about that Monday night. And then we'll have a preview of the Texans that'll probably post on Friday. Because, you know, Thanksgiving on Thursday. I hope everybody enjoys that. Anyway, in the meantime, check out musicmiracles.com. We'll have plenty more on this game, and we'll

update anything we get on Marcus' status. We'll be sure to post there. You can check that out. Again, you can follow us on Twitter. I'm at jmorrismcm. Terry's at tlembertfb. For Terry, this is Jimmy. Thanks for listening to Locked on Titans, and we'll talk to you again tomorrow.