Locked On Titans - Daily Podcast On The Tennessee Titans - Tennessee Titans GM Ran Carthon CAN Build Championship Roster, NFL Playoff Lessons & Jim Schwartz Departure
Episode Date: January 18, 2023Now that the Tennessee Titans have a new general manager, can Ran Carthon build a championship roster in Nashville? The evidence from his previous work says he CAN! Next, the NFL Playoffs are full of ...trends that the Titans need to be paying attention to. What is the common thread between most playoff teams and how can the Titans position themselves to join the club! Finally, the Titans had a major departure this week in the form of defensive assistant Jim Schwartz. While it is a loss, the Titans have had enough time to soak up the knowledge and the defense should be just fine!!Follow Tyler on Twitter @TicTacTitansFollow the show on Facebook @LockedOnTitansPodSupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!LinkedInLinkedIn Jobs helps you find the candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONNFLBuilt BarBuilt Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order.BetOnlineBetOnline.net has you covered this season with more props, odds and lines than ever before. BetOnline – Where The Game Starts!PrizePicksFirst time users can receive a 100% instant deposit match up to $100 with promo code LOCKEDON. That’s PrizePicks.com – promo code; LOCKEDONUltimate Football GMTo download the game just visit Ultimate-GM.com or look it up on the app stores. Our listeners get a 100% free boost to their franchise when using the promo LOCKEDON (ALL CAPS) in the game store.BetterHelpThis episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at Betterhelp.com/LockedOn and get on your way to being your best self. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Welcome to the Locked on Titans podcast.
I am your host, Tyler Rowland.
Titans fans, can new general manager Rand Carthon build a Super Bowl roster?
The evidence says he can.
What should the Titans be learning from the current group of playoff teams?
And there was a major departure for the Titans this week as well.
We're going to talk about all of that and more on today's edition of the Locked On Titans
podcast.
Let's get it.
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New Titans General Manager, Ran Carthon,
has incredible experience in building a Super Bowl roster.
We're going to go over some of the best news and some of the best notes that we've gotten on Carthon since the hire was made.
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But let's dive into some of this great news
and some of the great background
that's come up about Carthon
since the hire happened
because people have worked with Carthon,
have been coming out,
talking about their experiences with him,
going over his accolades,
and now they can freely talk about
all that he did within the San Francisco 49ers organization
over the last few years.
Number one,
have to point out the scouting aspect of the
job. So I'm going to look at this from three different angles, the scouting aspect, the pro
personnel aspect, and then the relationship aspect. And starting with scouting, because obviously
the Titans are going to need to hit in the draft like they have it the last few years. And Carthon has spent 15 years within scouting departments.
Not only that, but according to David Lombardi,
Ram Carthon has been the main guy at the helm of the late round draft picks
for San Francisco over the last few years.
So if he's been responsible for late-round drafting for the 49ers,
well, that's quite the incredible list of success.
You got guys, and we're talking about guys just in like 5-7,
or third round or later here.
George Kittle, DJ Reed, Hafunga, Jeff Wilson, Matt Breida,
Kendrick Bourne, Brunskill, their starting guard,
Richie James, who's having a great year with the Giants now as a wide receiver.
Of course, Brock Purdy, Emmanuel Mosley, Dre Greenlaw, the linebacker.
I mean, incredible.
Juwan Jennings, Elijah Mitchell.
I mean, the 49ers have hit on late-round draft picks as consistently or more consistently than any team in the NFL.
So you want to talk about, you know, Carthon's draft acumen,
it's all right there, read it in wheat.
Now, he was the pro personnel guy,
so it wasn't like his main priority was the draft,
but I've seen some concern about whether he'll be able to handle the draft.
And guys, look at that right there. The guy can handle the draft. Not worried about that. So that's step
one. Step two, well, let me mention this as well. Scouting language, how you use terms,
different terminology that scouting departments use.
Rand Carthon learned from Thomas Dimitrov, who was a former general manager for the Atlanta Falcons,
who came from the New England scouting program
and uses Patriot scouting language.
Now, I know people are like, oh no, New England again,
but we're just talking about the terminology and the language
and the terms that are used when you discuss these things.
And guess who else uses that same language and terminology?
The Titans scouting department, Mike Vrabel.
So the transition scouting-wise is going to be absolutely seamless
with Carthon stepping in for John Robinson.
Now the other side is pro personnel.
Like I mentioned the last few weeks,
trades, free agency, waiver claims, undrafted free agents.
This guy traded for Christian McCaffrey.
This guy traded for Jimmy Garoppolo.
This guy traded for Trent Williams.
I mean, those have been key pieces for San Francisco over the last few years.
Now, how this player works out remains to be seen,
but also, Carthon orchestrated a trade up into the top three to get Trey Lance,
a move that the Titans may have to make in the next two years
to get their quarterback of the future.
So from the pro personnel standpoint, check the box.
You add in the Cheverius Ward signing a cornerback,
which has been absolutely instrumental for the 49ers defense this year
to get that lockdown long cornerback
that they need. The guy has made some incredible moves here to put San Francisco in a position to
win. Not only that, but the relationship aspect. We talk draft, we talk pro personnel, now we talk
about the relationship. Rand Carthon comes from the Bill Parcells football family. That extends to, of course, Bill Belichick, which extends to, of course, Mike Vrabel.
So familiarity there with how they see football and what kind of players they want.
And it's been reported that Carthon is big on toughness.
He wants tough football players.
Talent, of course, has to be there, but he wants tough guys who are going to
give their all to the game and to the team. And who does that sound like? Mike Vrabel. And speaking
of relationships, Rand Carthon's father coached Mike Vrabel in Kansas City. Relationship. Connection.
So I love that. And according to Albert Breer,
who talked about how Carthon is big on relationships,
Carthon is big on toughness,
he also said Carthon is a guy
who will not be afraid to challenge Mike Vrabel.
And I have been saying this since last week
when I brought up the fact that I think the Titans
need to make the GM hire soon
because they need somebody to challenge and check Mike Vrabel
when they hire an offensive coordinator,
when they make decisions here in the future.
Someone who is strong enough and confident enough
and has the background to keep Mike Vrabel's ego in check.
I mean, to me, that's a perfect fit.
So whether it be scouting, whether it be pro personnel,
whether it be relationship with Mike Vrabel,
Carthon checks every single box.
And that's why I believe that he can build a championship-level roster
in Tennessee like he just did in San Francisco.
With that in mind, we are going to move forward.
Speaking of San Francisco, what lessons should the Titans be learning
from the current group of playoff teams?
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Titans fans, let's continue today's show. We just talked about why I believe and why the evidence shows us
that Rand Carthon can build a championship-level roster in Tennessee.
Now I want to talk about the lessons being learned from the playoffs.
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After we go over the playoff lessons, we're going to move into a big loss
that the Titans had within the organization this week.
We're going to talk about that to cap off the show.
Tomorrow, the quarterback episode is here.
Will the Titans look for a veteran quarterback
like Tom Brady, for example, like Aaron Rodgers?
Will the Titans look for a trade for a young quarterback
with promise like Trey Lance, for example,
who had an interesting Instagram post
after Carthon was hired, maybe a guy like Jordan Love?
Or could the Titans potentially look in the draft?
Could the Titans potentially stay with their in-house candidates
like Malik Willis, Ryan Tannehill, Josh Jobs?
We're going to break all of those options down on tomorrow's show.
And Friday, nighttime on Friday,
I'm going to have a special bonus episode for you guys,
breaking down Rand Carthon's intro press conference on Friday.
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But looking at the lessons that the Titans should be learning
from the current group of playoff teams.
And obviously there have been some playoff teams knocked out now.
But looking at the quarterback position.
knocked out now. But looking at the quarterback position, all the quarterbacks
that are still in the playoffs right now
are 29 years old or younger. Dak Prescott is the
oldest at 29. And then Pat Mahomes at 27.
The NFL is in a transition period
right now.
Going from Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady,
even a guy like Matt Stafford.
You could throw in there who's an older player.
Going from guys like that
to the young group.
They are here.
Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Trevor Lawrence,
even Daniel Jones, throw him in, Jalen Hurts.
I mean, the youth movement is here, folks.
If Patrick Mahomes is an elder statesman at 27,
what does that tell you?
So I know that the best option for the Titans this year in 2023
is probably Ryan Tannehill if they're trying to win.
But we got to take note here.
All of the best quarterbacks and all the quarterbacks that are in the playoffs still
are in their mid to early 20s.
Outside of Dak Prescott, who was 29, but he was an older prospect coming in anyways.
So this is why when you guys tell me stuff about Hindenhoek
or Stetson Bennett, I just roll my eyes. They're going to be 25
years old as rookies. They're already older than half the quarterbacks
in the playoffs now. It is a young man's league.
The new wave of quarterbacks is taking over and the Titans either
need to get with that wave,
or they're going to get swallowed up by the tide.
So the Titans need to learn that lesson.
Okay, if they don't want to make that move this year in 2023,
they don't want to go up and get C.J. Stroud, Bryce Young, Will Levis,
take a chance on Anthony Richardson, whatever.
If they don't want to do any of that,
well, then you best be preparing yourself
to go up and get that quarterback of the future next year when it's
Quinn Ewers and Caleb Williams and Drake May.
And there are always some other quarterbacks who either fall back or
make a push up. The Titans need to start thinking about how
they can get a young quarterback
to build around because when you look at
all the other successful teams
that's what they've done.
Take that lesson.
Not only that
I don't know how to parse this
I am not saying that
they need to fire Mike Vrabel.
That's not what I'm saying.
But
7 out of the 8 head coaches They need to fire Mike Vrabel. That's not what I'm saying. But,
seven out of the eight head coaches left
are offensive-minded head coaches.
Seven of eight.
Shanahan.
Sirianni.
Mike McCarthy.
Even Brian Dable. on the AFC side,
Zach Taylor, Andy Reid, Doug Peterson,
and you have Sean McDermott as the standalone defensive-minded head coach.
Now, what does Sean McDermott have?
Maybe the most talented quarterback in the league overall
as a runner and a passer in Josh Allen. An absolute freak.
A monster. One of the most talented players we've ever seen.
So again, if you're going to try to build
with a defensive minded head coach, you better have
a stud quarterback on offense.
And a
young one at that.
So it's hard to
ignore that trend
right there. 7 out of 8
coaches are
offensive minded.
Not impossible for a defensive minded
guy to get it done. Look at Sean McDermott
from Buffalo again.
But man, if you're going to be a defensive minded guy to get it done. Look at Sean McDermott from Buffalo again. But man,
if you're going to be a defensive minded head coach, you better have
a freak stud quarterback. And you better
do anything you could possibly do
to get yourself one.
Because that's, I mean, that's just the trend.
Also, also,
look at the
offensive output from wild card weekend.
Let me read you off the winning scores in those games.
41, 31, 34, 31, 31, 24.
Cincinnati won 24-17 over Baltimore.
You're telling me, out of all of those six games,
the lowest winning score was 24 points?
The Titans scored 24 or more three times all year.
They never even scored 30 points.
They never scored more than 28 points all year.
They're the only NFL team to do that.
The Titans better wake up.
You don't win in the NFL with running the ball and playing defense anymore.
You don't.
You win with offense
and young quarterbacks
and offensive-minded head coaches
that can put points on the board.
So if you are going to
win with a defensive-minded head coach,
you better put every single egg you have in the offensive basket
other than the defensive coach leading that defense.
I mean, these are just,
these are trends that we simply can't ignore, folks.
So, the Titans better get with it as best as they can.
They need to really go all out to hire the best offensive coordinator
that they possibly can.
They need to start positioning themselves to move up
or do what they have to do to get a young stud quarterback
because they're already going to be at a disadvantage
with a defensive head coach.
Now, I like Mike Vrabel.
I think he's a top 10 coach in the NFL.
I am not saying to get rid of Mike Vrabel.
But what I'm saying is, if you're going to keep Mike Vrabel,
you better go all out on the other two aspects of this conversation.
You better position yourself to get the young quarterback,
and you better find a high-flying offensive coach
to score as many points as possible. Because the model that the Titans have been using, it's done. It's not what's
winning in the NFL right now. So they need to learn those lessons and take them with them going
forward. But we need to talk about a major departure from the Titans this year. We've talked
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We talked about Rand Carthon and his resume that leads me to believe he can build a championship roster.
We talked about some of the lessons and trends
that the Titans need to learn from in the playoffs right now.
Now we're going to dive into a major departure
from the Tennessee Titans this week.
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With that in mind, though, I do want to remind you guys,
I am going to be doing my quarterback episode tomorrow.
What path should the Titans go down?
Veteran quarterback in the NFL, young quarterback in the NFL,
go in the draft, keep what they have.
I'm going to be breaking down all the options on tomorrow's show.
But with that in mind, let's talk about this.
Jim Schwartz, the senior defensive coordinator for the Titans,
or senior defensive assistant for the Titans,
was hired by the Cleveland Browns to be their defensive coordinator.
So, makes sense.
Jim Schwartz comes in, gives some advice to the
Titans, helps the defense out for two years, and then gets himself a spot in the big chair as a
defensive coordinator once again. And look, you got to give Jim Schwartz a ton of credit for what
he brought to the Titans scheme. His wide nine techniques, his stunts, his twists, those things
up front have really made a difference for the Titans' pass rush.
So you give all the credit in the world to Jim Schwartz for introducing that wide nine alignment,
those rush patterns for the Titans.
And the pass rush has probably been the best part of the Titans' team over the last few years.
So Jim Schwartz deserves a ton of credit for that.
But I saw a lot of people freaking out about this, losing Jim Schwartz.
Here's my thing.
Shane Bowen has been learning from Jim Schwartz and planning with him in meetings
and soaking up that knowledge for the last two years.
I just think that's enough time for Bowen to be able to continue to capitalize off that knowledge.
It's not like he's going to forget everything Jim Schwartz taught him
or everything Jim Schwartz suggested the moment Schwartz walks out the door.
That's not how learning works.
So I think that Shane Bowen has the ability to continue the pass rush success using the knowledge and the tutelage that Jim Schwartz provided him.
So really my whole point with this discussion is just to talk some of you guys off the ledge.
Yes, it always helps to have a smart defensive mind in the room,
and it seems like Mike Vrabel loves that committee approach,
and I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Vrabel went out
and hired another older defensive mind who's been in the league for a long time
just to give Bowen, who's only been a defensive coordinator for two years by title,
still give him that sounding board of an older veteran coach
who can kind of help him out when he's got decisions to make.
But as for the techniques, as for the rush patterns,
as for the alignment,
it's not like Shane Bowen is just going to forget all of that.
So I'm less worried about Jim Schwartz's departure to Cleveland
than maybe some other people are.
But to me, it's because I believe in Shane Bowen and I believe that he can
take all that knowledge and continue to use
it. So I don't think that the Titans pass
rush is all of a sudden going to fall off in
a major way. As a matter of fact,
getting Harold Landry back,
letting Rashad Weaver take over,
saving $10 million
by cutting Bud Dupree
and using another draft
pick or a low-level free agent
to add to the pass rush group,
I think there's a good chance
the Titans pass rush is even better next year,
even with just a modicum of help.
Dear God, please help us.
Football gods, stay healthy.
Just a little bit for one year.
Just average injuries for one year.
Average.
Not record-setting.
And the pass rush is going to be absolutely fine.
Also, a little preview for you guys.
We're going to get into draft stuff in like February and March.
We got free agency to go over first,
but lots and lots of big bodied, long cornerbacks in the draft.
And that is what the Titans need the most at cornerback.
So you add a little depth at cornerback, get a little healthier up front.
I think the Titans' defense and pass rush overall will be fine.
But that's going to do it for me today.
Remember, as I said, the quarterback decision episode is tomorrow.
We'll go through all the paths, and I'll tell you what I think the Titans should do.
But that is going to do it for me today.
As always, I am your host, Tyler Rowland, and this was Locked on Titans.