Locked On Titans - Daily Podcast On The Tennessee Titans - TITANS SQUAD SHOW: Cam Ward MUST FINISH STRONG vs. Jaguars

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

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I'm Julian Minnensohn and as the new year approaches, we have what we want in the Titans' new head coach. We'll talk about it here next. And I'm Brad Hopkins. The Titans did so many things right on Sunday. They just forgot to finish. I'm Tyler Rowland. And no matter what happens in week 18, Cam Ward and the Titan young players got better this year. Titan up.

It's the Titans squad. everything Tennessee Titans every week covering all the big hits and game-changing plays from the heart of Music City the way only the locked on podcast network can squad up the titan squad show starts now and welcome into the titan squad show I'm your host julian minnesone joined by my fellow hosts locked on titans host tyler roland and two-time Proble or offensive tackle. Brad Hopkins, guys, we are entering the final week of the 2025 season for the Tennessee Titans. Blinking, it's already gone. And of course, we're going to talk about the big hot topic as we head into the offseason, some coaching candidates who have already been reported, what we want in a head coach, plus a number of Titans hit certain

accolades, career milestones this past weekend, which one is the most important? But of course, we start with our favorite segment, tighten up and tighten down. Of course, Titans come off a 34-26 loss to the New Orleans Saints this past week. We're going to start with Tyler. What is your tighten up this week? Because I saw on your show, Tyler, you called it the, quote, perfect loss for the Titans. So what is your tighten up?

Well, my number one tighten up that makes it is Cam Ward making all those plays. Now, look, Cam Ward made, it's a strange way to feel because he made so many special plays that it's like, oh my God, like this is what we were hoping for. like this dude's insane. This is incredible, you know? And that gets you excited. He made big time throws from the pocket too. It wasn't just the running around.

You know, there were normal, regular quarterback, incredible throws that he made. But this game also gave you like everything that's scary about Cam Ward too. Like it was the full experience. He did all the great things that he does, all the bad things that he does. But at the end of the day, I've been saying for a long time, Cam Ward's a gunslinger. This is how we plays. We're going to get the most miraculous plays that you're.

You have ever seen some of the craziest plays of the NFL season? Cam Ward has had like, you know, at least three or four of some of the top 10 best throws in the NFL this year because he's just so insane like that. But it's a double-edged sword and that riskiness and, you know, that same kind of quality makes him make some scary plays and some oh-no plays and some bad ones. But it's about the good outweighing the bad. And I think that we've seen as of late that the good will outweigh the bad with Cam Ward. I truly do believe that. I think the good already outweighs the bad. And while the bad looks really bad and the good looks really good, I think the good will outweigh the bad. So I think that's the most encouraging thing to me is what I expected from Cam Ward is actually what he's become and what has to happen for that to work. I think it can work. And I think we've seen that. Even when the bad is happening, the good can outweigh it. And that's what's most important. So very excited about that, especially as someone who grew up. First quarterback I ever remember watching play football is Brewer.

Brett Farr. And Cam Ward, the way he kind of leans back, he's laxadaisical in the throw, he'll make these crazy plays, never say die. It does give me a Brett Farr vibe out there. And I enjoy it. You know what? Just to further your point, Tyler, I think that honestly, as Cam gets better, those situations will be more intentional. And then we'll be talking about an unbelievably electric player. The stuff he gets himself into nowadays are things that he would avoid, if he were a more mature, more experienced quarterback, right? But it still shows his ability to make those big plays in moments like that. He can.

Right. Patrick Mahomes is the only other quarterback that in chaos looks almost as smooth as if he had a clean pocket. You know what I'm saying? In most instances. Now, that's been a problem for them. It was the reason why they didn't make the playoffs and he got knocked around too much.

But at the end of the day, guys like he, guys like Cam Ward can continue to play that backyard football style and have quarterback. And listen, the best thing is the receipts. receivers, Alec Aymanor, Chim D.K, even, you know, guys like James Porchay, guys that he's been throwing to, even Mason, Kingsley, he had a great catch this weekend, right? Yes. I mean, unbelievable place. The point I'm trying to make is they're understanding his style of play, and they will be

assets for having this experience even in a down year. You know what I'm saying? So you need to hit the nail on the head, bro. This cat right now is learning how to just basically be comfortable in its own chaos and can make plays like that. but what he's doing right now is laying that foundation of hey look it's going to look crazy sometimes you know what I'm saying I'm going to be running around like I'm about to just take a mean shot and you know you know like if his knee weren't down

what would have happened when they're up 26 to 20 you know that was incredible situation unbelievable play he's going to make that play yes exactly so the point is he's got to have his little his failures in those moments too because it's not always perfect right but like you said he's going to have way more of those oh my gosh moments than he is like oh my god because we understand that that's how he plays and i got a question for you guys this team can potentially finish the season with four wins okay they were close on a number of occasions to i'm going to almost say they probably should have six what legitimately were your thoughts in 2025 for a brand new quarterback in this franchise did you

have them winning more than six games because it seems like they might be right on par with what we thought in the beginning of the year anyway Yeah, it's funny when I looked back, Go ahead, Joel. No, I was just going to say, what was the line, it was five and a half, I think at the start of the year. And we were hovering around five, six weeks.

That was best case scenario, I would think, Tyler. Yeah, I had five wins on the year when I did my preseason prediction. And it's funny because I said that they would be one and eight going into the buy and then that they would finish strong. You know what I mean? Like, that was my prediction. And as the season goes on, and I'm guilty as anybody.

But as the season goes on, it's easy to say like, hey, gentlemen, we're going to sail out a port, here. We're going to hit rough seas here. Once we make it through the rough seas, land is this, but when you're in the rough seas, it's like, oh my God, we're not going to make it. It's like, you knew that the seas would be rough right here. We talked about this in the plan. So don't freak out now. And it's hard not to. When you're there, it's hard not to in the moment. And throughout the chaos of the season, you know, I admittedly get lost in the emotions of the

game to game, the day to day, you know. But when you look back at things, and that's kind of like what I said in the open, the Titans got better. Cam Ward got better. Look at his stats since the buy, you know, 11 touchdowns, one interception, all these trends, you know, first rookie quarterback since 1970, other than Baker Mayfield to have four games in a row of multiple touchdown passes. Baker had five, and Cam can tie him this weekend, and they might be down against Jacksonville, so he might be throwing a lot. He might be able to tie that. Like there's only three rookies all time that have thrown as many touchdowns in multiple games in a row as Cam Ward with only one interception. Dan Marino and Russell Wilson. He has done some miraculous things and got better, and that has to be what is the most exciting thing is you see the progress.

And if we do take the step back from the week-to-week emotion of losing and this and that, you see, okay, yeah, they are about where we expected. I would have liked to see a couple more wins because Callahan was so bad. The Titans could have had a couple more wins if he wasn't so bad as a coach.

And Mike McCoy and Bo Hardegree having these dudes looking competent week to week shows just how bad of a head coach Brian Callahan was in my opinion like it's obvious how terrible he was based on what we see from Mike McCoy who I don't think is a good head coach either like he's just that much better than Brian Callahan

so I think you've got to be excited more than ever about what this team could be with NFL average head coaching God forbid I say good head coaching in the NFL like the progress they've made is such a young team and what they have right now you have to be so hype about it going forward you know what the head coach that gets their job here

has to have some weight to them yes and what i mean by that is the quality of something usually comes in how heavy it is right like man it's like oh man then you got to know just see how valid it is you know just what so when you see something that's heavy you say man that's some good quality stuff right there because this got some thickness to it that's what i want my head coach to be like i wanted to have some weight to him i'm not talking my Andy Reed weight and he'd be a great guy but I'm saying you know I'm talking about just the kind of guy with his bravado with his presence with Sean McVeigh is not a big dude by any stature but he's got some weight to him you see what I'm saying that's what I would think that this franchise could use

because what that does is it garners the respect the attention and the focus and discipline of your best players which then is a trickle-down effect because the best players won't allow anything else other than their standard of great play right so when they look around it's like hey man you on the field with me you earn the right to be on the field with me because of how we set the standard right but that comes from having a head coach that's got some weight to him and therefore he takes off the burdens of like having to do all the team stuff because he's the guy that just that that tables all of that you know i mean that's the kind of guy and if it's a guy they ain't got no experience i'm i'm good on that no more experiments to this point we need some we need some

comfortable fields we need dudes that you know that can really control the room and there and that there are no questions of whose franchise this actually is from a leadership standpoint. You know, who's the leader up in Pittsburgh? By Tomlin. Hey, is there any question? Who's the leader in San Francisco? Kyle Shanahan. Come on now.

You see what I'm saying? It ain't purdy. It ain't, you know, anybody else? It's the bosa boy. It's, it's goddamn Kyle Shanahan. It's his show. Sean, that's his show in L.A. It ain't nobody else's a show.

I know Matthew Stafford's a good dude, no, but come on now. we all know through this dude who ain't even 40 years old yet that's his show we want somebody like that here we need somebody like that here yeah titans with the number one picking cam ward with a really good rookie class a new stadium opening up all that cap space and the fact that they are a much better team than they were two months ago should make it a highly attractive job for whoever candidates they decide to bring in an interview and talk to and that's the big thing guys for me is like five of the last six games this team scores over 20 points remember two months ago under Brian Callahan, where scoring 20 points. Heck, getting a first down,

getting across midfield seemed like a monumental task. And now they are, we are expecting them to at least compete somewhat in these ball games. And I think the fact that the standard has changed certainly is a, a tighten up for me. Now, that leads kind of into the tighten down that I had, which was that second half, obviously, was a big collapse. You know, you get out scored 24 to six in that second half this past weekend. And it was a game that. You talked about it, Tyler. Cam Ward gets two touchdowns and now four straight games. This was a game where he really needed three because of how depleted that secondary was and how the Saints were attacking the secondary for the Titans.

However, the fact that they are competing a lot better and that they are without a doubt, a better team and establishing an identity, especially up front running the ball, I think that is certainly caused to be excited as we head into a very, very important offseason for this team. Agreed. I mean, let's be honest with ourselves here. This team doesn't know how to close it out. They've barely won games. They're not leading to have chances to close it out.

This is what a young team needs. They need to feel, oh, we played a good game. We got up. We didn't close it out. They need to feel with this. Guys, this is the progression. You start playing more competitive as a young team. You can't beat teams that are more competitively seasoned than you.

The Saints have been playing in good games for a couple of months longer than the Titans. They're, you know, four and six in their last six games. Now five and seven in their last seven. They've won four in a row. You know, the Saints have been playing in competitive football games and learning how to close it out for the last month and a half. The Titans are behind them. And I think that is the bigger picture.

I guess it's a Titan down because the reality of the situation is these are flaws for the Titans. but having a clear picture of what needs to get better and it's so obviously in front of you what are the two things that won the Saints that game? Number one, it was Chris O'Lave and Joanne Johnson weapons on the offensive side of the ball who went for 160 yards and 12 catches together. Like those two dudes are better than any weapon

that the Titans have on offense and they just dominated. They absolutely dominated. Cam Ward needs a Chris O'Lave on a billboard during the game. Man, wouldn't it be nice if Cam, Sam Ward had a guy like that on our team, we probably would get that third touchdown

when nobody can separate against man coverage and the Saints are running these complex split-field coverages taking away everything and nobody can get open or make a play one-on-one down the sidelineer. Wouldn't it be nice to have a Chris O'Lave on our team? Who could do that? You know what I mean? And then 24 to 6 in the second half, that's coaching.

They shut the water off. They went into halftime and they said, the Titans are doing this, the Titans are doing this, we can attack right here, and they came out with a specific measured plan and took the Titans apart. So what do the Titans need? They need better weapons on offense. Right. They need better coaching.

It's just on a billboard what happened in the game. So that's a Titan down because a young team couldn't close it, but we know the- That's what I said in the beginning of our tease was that the Titans, you know, played competitive enough to win the ballgame, but they forgot them to finish, right? because that's what Mike McCoy mentioned. That's what the leaders of that team mentioned, the fact that, and it does come from a lack of familiarity being in those situations, Tyler, you're 100% right.

Had they been in those moments of having to come back and close out a game before this, then they'd be more understanding of how to actually do that, right? So they didn't. They didn't forgot out of the finish, basically. But I wanted to say this, though. When I watched Cam Ward and Tyler Shuck perform on Sunday, I saw two of the future's brightest stars in the national football league.

They're good. I saw them going head to head in their rookie season and ultimately putting on a performance that like you said, like you talked about, Tyler, four straight games for them. The Titans were trying to win back-to-back games, at least only haven't lost one before they won before that, right? So this team was really starting to play better too. You're starting to see both of these quarterbacks develop that leadership intangible and lead their teams where they need to be to be successful. successful in the future. And I do believe 100% Tyler that we do have a Chris Alave. It's just not a household name yet. You know, in my opinion, either Chim or Ellick can be dudes that will be getting mentions as we see Chigacanquil and Gunnar Helm take care of the underneath stuff

to take away some of the pressure from the over-to-top routes, which is where those guys are going to make the big plays, right? Now you'll start to see a balanced offense and a better quarterback with more experience and moxie to lead them where this franchise needs to be, especially in time for the new stadium building. Indeed. And we're already actually getting questions in our comment section, if you're with us live on YouTube, about head coach opening. We're going to talk about that.

So stay patient. Stay with us. We're going to talk about that in a few segments later in the show. Coming up next, we are going to talk about Jim D.K. He is one of the four Titans who reached a career milestone this past weekend. which one of the milestones is the most important to us. We're going to talk about that. The Titan Squad Show continues.

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We'll start with B. Hop on this one. Can you hear me now? There you go. Yeah. So for me, obviously, Kim Ward throwing for 3,000 yards. That's a big deal because it shows there's some competence for him and some efficiency on the offense. Jim DK having his Pro Bowl ballot and his rookie season

You know all-purpose yards record setter That's a great accident itself But I think pressure is important And we've got a household name in Jeffrey Simmons Ten sacks It just kind of really doesn't encompass all that he's done To do score touchdowns He's I mean

That shot that he put on Estime As he's running the football I think it was Estimate Can remember who was one of that ball care And he came from the back side And just lit a wop That's the kind of play that we've seen from Big Jeff in almost every single game,

whether they win or lose. So I think the consistency of him being a dominant figure up front, which is just in part what we need. He needs some compliments. But for the most part, give me Big Jeff, throwing for 10, getting 10 sacks. No, I agree 100%. That's my answer.

And when we did our early squad shows, I sat here and I was like, hey, you know, Jeffrey Simmons needs to get double-digit sacks. I want to see him take the next step. I want to see him do it. I asked him to do that. I talked about that. And he did it. And he did it. I can't blame him whatsoever for anything that's happened this season. He's been absolutely dominant. He should be a first team all pro this season. No questions asked.

Leading defensive tackles and sacks and tackles for loss. He's done it all. And taking that next step, what it means for the future is really why it's so it's like not only did. And the thing is, Big Jeff did it on and off the field this year. That's the thing. He, you know, he might win Walter Payton Man of the Year. He just won the holiday community award in the NFL for all the charity stuff he did during the holiday week. Like, absolutely fantastic. He's grown into everything that you could have asked him to be on and off the field.

And what it means for the future is why I'm picking Jeff's 10 sacks because you can build a dominant defense around. Look, Miles Garrett is maybe the best edge rusher of all time, talent-wise. Like, he is, he's going to win defensive player in the year, set the sat record. Maybe he's got to go get it this weekend. But, you know, he's incredible. So obviously, he's the best defensive player in the world. But Jeffrey Simmons is number two.

And when you look at Kansas City and we mention, you know, the play style Patrick Mahomes, the play style of Cam Ward. It's hard not to make some comparisons there. Even if you're, you know, unbiased. Who'd they have on the defense that made things run for them? Chris Jones. Because interior pass rush is actually the most disruptive thing to a quarterback. Get in their face.

You can run a guy past, you can step up in the pocket with an edge rush, the interior disruption. Aaron Donald, Chris Jones, Jeffrey Simmons. If Jeff is taking this next step because he cut the weight, he got him better shape, he took his diet more serious, all these things that he talked about in the all season, it worked. And if all that stuff did work and he can be this level of player for the next three or four years, because defensive tackles age gracefully in the NFL,

it's a position where you can play pretty well as you get older, like Chris Jones or Cam Hayward or, and Donald did, if you have this level of Jeffrey Simmons, maybe the best offensive player or most disruptive interior force in the NFL, and then Cam Ward grows from what we've already seen, that might be a good enough combination to get what we all wanted for so long. So I just hope springs eternal for me this holiday season. I am so excited and optimistic about what the Titans can do going forward

because of Jeffrey Simmons and Cam Ward. yeah that that actually solidifies the point that i'd like to make about them needing an edge rusher because like you just mentioned tyler if your quarterback has has a deeper pocket because jeffre simmons is in his face then that's what allows the edge rusher to just basically get those sacks on the outside because he has nowhere to step up to you see what i'm saying now cam unfortunately for me i like to see him escape towards the line of scrimmage versus trying to escape backwards or out and around. You know what I'm saying?

Because that's what smart quarterbacks do. They find not only the passing lane, but the run lane in the past rush, and therefore they're able to get those first downs and be a liability with their feet. But Cam isn't doing it just yet. But if you've got a guy that can take advantage of the push that the middle of the pocket gets from a great player like Jeffrey Simmons,

then that's when this defense, in my opinion, will be more balanced. I think certainly a case can be made for all four of these guys here. Except Tony Pollard. Get out of here with that, Julian. I will not accept that. You can say it's a tie between the other three, but I'm sorry. Pollard ran hard this year, and he ran hard in these games as of late to boost his numbers here at the end of the season. But he's leaving yards on the table. He's not high in the NFL and rushing yards over expected, which to give folks an idea that what you're expected to get is what's been blocked for you.

And good running backs would get more than what's expected. The best running backs have a positive rushing yards over expectation because they are getting more yards than what is just available based on the blocking. Tony Pollard is not good enough to do that consistently, so he will run hard in a line. But there is so, and I know it's kind of a hot take right now because he's on this little roll that he's on with the run game. But I think that's more of a function of the Titans offensive line

and them out scheming teams in the run game than it is Tony Pollard. I'm very ready for a more explosive back. And I think we saw Tage Spears limitations in this game as well. When you get a real physical team that is focused on tackling, Spears isn't as effective as just a true runner.

You really have to be creative with him. So I think the Titans need for a better, more explosive running back was fully on display this season and in this game particularly. So I had to throw a little Grinch in there, a little bah humbug, but Ward and D.K. and Simmons,

I'll let them have their shine. But Pollard getting his 1K, good for him. physical runner. He's not bad, but the Titans just need better. And I don't feel bad for wanting more from the running back position. Sure. And the Pollard 1K thing, given how much of a long shot it seemed like at the start of the season when they couldn't run the ball. And now over the thing. Yeah, over the last couple of weeks, the offensive line is playing a lot better and the running game is getting established. You know, I do think getting the 1K given relative to

where it was at the start of the year. All right. All right. Fair enough. You got me. I'm just, I'm just, you can make that argument. You can totally make that argument. No, but you can tell to make that argument that you've have a thousand yard back 100% that shows you some, some level of dominance or consistency up front, right, which your big body's blocking and giving you that balance. So in a matter of fact, if you think about the recent success of this team has had, it's because they're running the football better. It's because we've seen at least three games straight where

Tony Powell ran for over 100 yards. the first one with 85 that he didn't hit that mark. He'd have four straight games where he ran for 100 yards. That to me is the reason why this team quietly is having the successes having. He should have had 100 if he was a better running back. And I don't blame him necessarily because you know Tony Pollard coming into the NFL was meant to be a committee running back who could be used as a split-out wide receiver in all these different versatile ways. And the Titans treated him like Derek Henry last year and ran him into the ground. So I don't think it's Tony Pollard's fault. He's just, he wasn't meant to play the role that he's played for the

Titans, in my opinion, and it's war him down a little bit. So credit to him, but I'm just saying, I want better. I just want better from the running back position when I look around the NFL. I think the Titans can do better. Yeah, there's the point for Tony there. Jeff Simmons, you guys made your points and chose him. Chim D.K. has obviously been the star of this rookie class. However, I'm going to go Cam Ward here. I'm going to go Cam Ward with surpassing 3,000 yards. I just think the way he's played over the last, the last, you know, a couple weeks since the bye week, as you mentioned, Tyler. He's obviously been a different quarterback. He seems to the game is slowing down for him.

I would like to see him use his feet a lot more as well. I know he kind of escaped the pocket a little bit this past weekend, but escaping towards the line of scrimmage, as Bhop, kind of called it there for Cam Ward. Now, I will say, Chim Dike's been great. That fourth round that we've talked about with the Titans getting Garnel, Elyle, Jimdke. It's where you build your team. However, this class will only be remembered as a good class if Cam Ward pans out. And I think the fact that he's gained some confidence over the past few weeks surpassing 3,000 yards, it would be tough for a first round pick if he didn't get that 3K number. Also, his availability, I think, has been huge this year. You know, starting in every

single game, he's not used to playing an NFL schedule, a much longer schedule, getting hit a lot getting hit a lot more like he did at the start of the season. And so the fact that he's been able to withstand that and still shows some monumental growth, I think is a huge step in the right direction and should be a positive for Titans fans that, hey, I think we've got the right guy here under center. He just needs the right coach on the sideline with. Yeah, that's kind of the message that I've been preaching for a while here is just we'd see what we needed to see.

I said this a couple of weeks ago, Cam Ward has checked the boxes that we needed to see. And everything else is just about what they need to do. going forward. And Julian, you talked about after the buy, I mean, before the buy, 57% completion percentage, 190 yards per game, five touchdowns, six interceptions, since the buy, 62% completion percentage, 190 yards per game, 11 touchdowns, one interception. I mean, it's been a massive jump. And Brad was talking about it earlier, and Julian, you mentioned it wanting to see the legs more. I think we have seen the legs more since the buy as well.

Like, I know we want to see it even more. but like the playmaking that we saw on display this week in the game against the Saints, I think that that is a function of the game slowing down for Camort. And we'll see more playmaking. We'll see more use of the legs as the game slows down a little bit more for him. So it's like, it's all kind of putting together. And I agree with you that the 3K passing yards just means that he was out there all season long. He didn't get injured.

He continued to play. He got used to playing through a whole season. and more than the statistical accolade of getting 3,000 passing yards, the experience that comes with being out there enough to get 3,000 yards, just the inherent benefit of that, I think that's what's most important. So I can see the argument for Cam Ward 3K for more than just the stat of it all, you know? Sure, absolutely.

So let me ask you this, guys, before we go to break here, last impression for Cam Ward here to finish strong. I know, Tyler, you mentioned you've seen all you need to see, but what would you want from Cam Ward in this final game here against the very tough Jacksonville team that the Titans only scored three points against him? That was the only game in the past six games where the Titans failed to score 20 points. Brad? Well, to me, this team has the opportunity to really put itself on the map.

And that could be at the behest of Cam Ward having his, best game of the season. Through all the circumstances that are in play for the Jacksonville Jaguars, trying to fight the way into a position to be legitimized and have a playoff caliber team, the Titans have a chance to pop them right in the face and put themselves on the map just by that situation itself. We heard Trevor Lawrence mentioned the Tennessee Titans and how important it is for the home fans to come out and give them the best opportunity possible to win a ball game and position themselves best in the playoffs. What if the Titans played a complete game where they were dominant up front on both sides

of the football? Cam Ward didn't have any mistakes but threw for two or 300 yards and really showed the potential for this team in the future while derailing or slowing down Jacksonville's momentum. That would be one hell of a way to end the season. No, that would be fun, no doubt about it. And that would be a good, crowning moment for Cam Ward to finish the season. I don't know if it's going to happen. It's kind of a win-win for the Titans. If they don't win, this is Jacksonville. It's tough. They're fighting for playoff seating. They're fighting for the division, all that different stuff. They're going to come out and try to play their best game, which means if the Titans win,

they had to play awesome football, maybe their best game of the entire season. That would be fun to see. But also, if the Titans just, you know, play a competitive game, lose, keep their positioning right now. I'm not going to be upset. about that either. My big thing is, I just want Cam to stay healthy. Just be healthy. Finish this season. No major injuries for any of the important players going forward. Just, you know, everybody stay, I mean, you bang up, you're rolling ankle. You know, we'll be all right, but just no big time major injuries for any of the important players that I'm excited about next year.

Get to the all season where the hope really kicks up again. I mean, at the end of the day, guys, in the NFL, it's wins or hope. That's what you're selling as an organization. either winning or the hope of winning. And this season, I'm just ready to get it over with, get the guys healthy, let's get to the all season, pick a new coach, add some more players, and hope that this team can be a better football team next year

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on YouTube, has already been popping off with potential coaching candidates. There have been a number of candidates listed over the past couple days in weeks that the Titans could potentially be interested in or bringing in for interviews or whatnot. I, I, I, I want to know from you guys, the names that have been thrown out there, a handful of names, who is on your, like, your number one Christmas wish list this past, for this past coaching cycle here? You know, I got to listen to Mike McCarthy on Pat McAfee's show the other day. Not only is it a personal will do, someone I think is, you know, can relate to players. He just, to me, is that feel that he is in control and he also is an offensive-minded coach

that doesn't necessarily think about the explosive play being the most important. thing is consistency. So I think that you look at a guy, like I said earlier, has weight to him. In other words, players will respect him just by the way he carries himself. That to me is somebody like Mike McCarthy. It also has the intelligence to affect the most important position, which is the quarterback and the offense. So I like a guy like that's got respect. He's been a championship situation. He's a winner. You know, it obviously didn't work out to a firm well in Dallas, but you know what? It happens to everybody in Dallas. So, you know, you know, a long tenure in Green Bay where he was successful.

I think that's something that resonates with players and they'd really respond to his leadership. No, I think that makes a ton of sense. And, Brad, you know, you talk about Dallas. I see a lot of people. He couldn't get it done in Dallas. He had three straight 12-win seasons in Dallas. Would you like that here? You know, would you be interested in that Titans fans?

I just feel like we have to, I guess I think the Titans should shoot for the moon, of course. If you think you find a guy who's going to take you to multiple Super Bowls, who's this, you know, culture wave and all that. I'm not telling them to turn down good options if they find some guy who's over the moon and find some superstar. But at the end of the day,

how can you be a Titans fan laying in the gutter and someone offers you a cheeseburger? And you're like, I don't like Culvers. Yeah. No pickles. Sorry. I'm a way for a steak. Yeah, yeah, that's all right.

Go ahead. Thank you. You know, those fries are cold. Like, it just, you can't look to give to us in the mouth at some point. And the Titans can't expect go from, you know, community college to CEO of the Fortune 500. Like there are steps along the way. So I'm not saying, you know, don't try to hire a guy who can win you a championship because Mike McCarthy, out of all the guys that we talk about is the one guy with the Super Bowl championship.

So it would be silly to act like he's a conservative, you know, low ceiling type guy. But at the end of the day, I think the Titans do need a high floor coach right now to get this thing back on track and to have some semblance of professionalism. And he checks so many boxes. because you get the experience that you're talking about, Brad, with the gravitas and the pelts on the wall. But you also get a guy who has had a ton of top five offenses throughout his career. As an offensive coach who has developed some of the best quarterbacks we've seen in the last 15 years. So it's like it just checks so many boxes.

And I know that Amy Adams-strunk has fired some people as of late, but we're already hearing reports like from Jonathan Jones to CBS that she's really going to try to take a back seat. and I think we've seen that over the last few years with the media appearances or lack thereof, you know what I mean? She really does want to take a back seat and step back now after being so front forward with Rand and the disaster that that was. So I think that Mike McCarthy would feel more comfortable and safe and secure in Tennessee than he would in New York, for example.

So I think the Titans job is attractive for that reason. But I'll be honest, I don't know if Mike McCarthy is going to be what they look for. keep, you know, we've heard multiple reports now in multiple different outlets, whether it's Jeremy Fowler for ESPN or in the athletic with Diana Rusini or I think Connor Orr from NFL.com or is he with the athletic now? I don't know. They all switch around so much. It's like football players switching teams, the transfer portal. But we've heard that the Titans are interested in youth. And I think that if they did, if they did go with a youthful coach who maybe doesn't have previous experience, that would be a bit of a shock to me.

Also, I find it interesting that most of the reports, and it doesn't mean that they're right, guys. But most of the reports have had young defensive coaches, like Chris Shula, Jeff Hathley from Green Bay, Anthony Campanil from Jacksonville, who we're about to see in his defense. Brad, what do you think about that they've actually been a young defensive coach? See, there's nothing wrong with youth, but you've got to be a megawatt personality as someone with little coaching experience. to be in that position. That's why I said the weight comes in, right? I'm not saying that we're above taking a shot,

but I don't need no more newness. If you never had a head coaching job before, get one someplace else, then come talk to us later on. You know what I'm saying? Because listen, Robert Sala's only mistake was what? Believing that Aaron Rogers could turn the jets around. He hits this wagon to Aaron,

and Aaron got flipping killed. And he let Aaron bring in Nathaniel Hackett. He let Aaron do all this other stuff because he felt that that's what I need to do to get this offense running, which is not my grab. That's not my side of the football, right? But he still creates some of the best defenses. He's still one of those megawatt personalities that can inspire dudes.

He just then has to form out the offense to somebody, just like Mike Vrable did. Mike Vrable is an all defensive-minded coach. He found himself some good coordinators, at least were consistent enough to take advantage of the talent that they had, and they once got into the playoffs. He was coached in the year, that kind of deal. You know, now he's with Josh McDaniels, and good God, the Patriots are the best team in football. So it's something like I'm pushing back against young guys.

I just, I need some experience right now, fellas. I need somebody that's got a familiar face. People understand exactly how his tones are, and it can respond to that. But I was trying to figure out, well, what's this guy's way of coaching? What is his style? Man, screw all that. And he's trying to figure it out. That's the problem with a rookie coach.

You cannot, you cannot be as good. at your job, the first day, as you will be after one year. You know what I mean? There is, it is impossible that a rookie head coach will be his best version of himself, his rookie season. So you are already admitted by hiring a first-time head coach that this dude is not going to be as good as he will be in the next year. Can the Titans afford that after back-to-back three-win seasons?

Can they afford to not have the best version of the coach and allow him to grow to be who he is? I don't know if they can. So I am with you, Brad. I am with you. You know, a lot of times when a type of coach doesn't work out, a team tends to do the opposite. And when you have the disaster that was

we're a first time head coach and Brian Callahan, it would lend you to believe that Mike McCarthy would be a viable option. Like you mentioned, Tyler, he's got the experience, he's got the accolades. But also, he provides something that the Titans know what they're getting. And it would be stability, you know, and that's kind of like one of the biggest. things that they need right now is just a stable professionally run program with a guy

and that they know what they're getting and he knows what he's doing, especially at the quarterback position and offensively. And so I lean kind of towards McCarthy, I know he may not be the head coach, let's say five, ten years down the line. But let's just worry about getting the ship right, like in the next year or two. You know what I mean? Let's just be okay with like next year. Can you what?

Can I play devil's advocate, though? Sure. We all agree. We all agree. So for the sake of discussion. And again, I agree with you guys on the experienced need. But, Brad, you mentioned some coaches earlier, like a Sean McVeigh, for example. He wasn't a head coach until he was a head coach.

So isn't there the fear of, hey, we may go for the 62-year-old Mike McCarthy, we may go for the Robert Sala, but we may be actually missing out on the next Sean McVeigh, Chris Shula for the Rams or Jesse Mentor for the Chargers or Jeff Halfley for the Packers who was a head coach at Boston College and that kind of flamed out so like maybe you have an example to be scared of him there but like isn't there Clint Kubiak the offensive coordinator for the Seahawks who everybody's loving isn't there the at least couldn't their pushback be hey you could go for experience but if you do that it's a hundred percent certain you're going to miss out on the next

Sean McVeigh. Yeah, I hear what you're saying, but the thing is that that person that doesn't have head coaching experience has already been talked about being a head coach. That's what I'm talking about. If you're a guy that's never had the head coaching job before and people are talking so glowingly about what you've done to affect your side of the football to where it makes total sense that you're now the next head coach of some program, then that's an obvious situation. Sean McVeigh was going to be a head coach someplace and everybody knew that. Ben Johnson was going to be a head coach someplace else. everybody knew that. Liam Cohen was going to be a head coach. These guys were electric on their

side of the football and they made so much sense that there's no way in the world that you can keep them as coordinators, right? But then comes the whole challenge of running a team. It's one thing to only focus on your side of the football and be great at that, right? But now can you do all of the things that come along with being a head coach while still expounding what it was that got you there in the first place? That's hard to do. That's why the guy I wanted and he's not going to be option anymore because he's already committed to his team in 2026 is Marcus Freeman. Marcus Freeman. I mean, like, you talk about a leader of men. You talk about a rah-rah guy. You talk about a dude that's going to command the room, carry that weight that Bhop says.

That is Marcus Freeman. And I know the knock on him was all he wouldn't have NFL experience, but he has coaching experience. He is used to running a team from the sideline and managing games, even if it's not at the NFL level. That's who I would have really wanted to. at the top of my list, if you are going to swing and do that swing for greatness, like you talked about, Tyler. No, I agree. The problem with that is, he don't want to take a makeup. Yeah, and that's a great point that you made, Tyler,

because guess what? He coached a pro program that will be on par with an NFL team. Notre Dame, are you kidding? All that comes with that, all that comes with that, right? And I got to watch this dude as a linebacker's coach of Purdue. He was there where Bryson was there. this. So I understand that this dude. See, what makes guys like Marcus Freeman successful is that they can lean on accountability as the main factor. In other words, if I stand in the meeting

room and I put something up on the tape that shows you not looking, not doing your best, did I say something? No, the tape did. Your action showed, and I should be able to call you out and do that. You see what I'm saying? And say, this is the kind of play we don't want to have. And no one's going to push back on that and say, oh, he's being too hard on it. all this other stuff. No, that's what it takes, a coach that can make all the players accountable to their responsibilities. And Marcus Freeman can speak that kind of language with the best of them. You know what I'm saying? Ryan Day is another dude. You know, this guy, he seems like he can get the most out of the guys. Now, maybe it is, you know, delegated to college young players. How can

he coach 30-year-olds, you know, late 20-year-olds? Those are different cats, you know what I'm saying? Guys have got kids, you know what I mean, that are in school. You know what I'm saying? million exactly guys that are making more money than you there's a difference you know so you know we'll see how this actually unfold you know i don't think there's a college guy out there that people are saying man that guy is going to be coaching on sunday you know like when john harbow was coaching in college everybody was like i mean jim harbo everybody was like she this guy can't wait for him to get back to the NFL you know what i mean and next thing you know he's back there and he's got the charges relevant duh you know i mean it's no shocker i don't see a kyle's guy like that out there yet not for me

Well, that's why I'm hoping that some of these coaches get fired. We've heard some rumors about John Harbaugh and the Ravens. Maybe they're ready to part ways. We've heard some rumors about Kevin Stefansky and the Cleveland Browns. Like, I'm kind of hoping that maybe some of these other coaches who I think are good coaches but have just been around too long in the spot that they're... I mean, look at Andy Reid and the Chiefs. Andy Reid goes to the Chiefs after the Eagles.

The Eagles win multiple Super Bowls. Andy Reid wins multiple Super Bowls. Like, it can happen. So I think to have more candidates in the experience pool that I'm excited about because there aren't very many right now, I hope that a couple of coaches get fired that may be interested in taking the spot. That brings me to that point, Tyler, is Kevin Stefanski. Though he is, Kevin Stefanski, you mentioned him.

The idea of him, I know the Browns haven't had much success, but he is a two-time coach of the year and led those, I guess, was it two playoff runs for the Cleveland Browns? The idea of doing more with less, I know he's not technically available at the moment, but there have been questions about his job security as well. Would you be okay with somebody like that given? I don't think a lot of the issues in Cleveland were necessarily his fault. The Deshawn Watson trade ruined that franchise.

They got rid of Baker Mayfield. They traded for Deshawn Watson, a million picks, gave them guaranteed $250 million, which is still screwing their cap. and then the roster fell apart. So, like, in my opinion, we can't know how to split the blame pie behind the scenes in Cleveland. I don't know if Kevin Stefansky was like banging the table.

Maybe Kevin Stefansky was like, I don't want to do this. We shouldn't do this. And the guys who get paid more than him and who are his bosses, the owner and the GM said, we are doing it. This is what we want to do.

So if that's the case, then Kevin Stefansky is absolved to blame and he didn't want to do it anyway. But maybe he was like, oh yeah, you know, he's in the huddle with him like, oh yeah, boys, we figured it out. We finally got the franchise.

But if he was doing that and snickering with them, then I would be scared. But I just, we can't know that. And I think what he's done with the teams that they've had, I think it's obvious that Kevin Stefansky is a good coach, and the roster has fallen apart, and they screwed over the quarterback position multiple times and are still screwing over the quarterback position.

So if Stavansky got let go, he would jump immediately to the top of my list. He also, like McCarthy, checks the body. as he's younger. I don't necessarily see that being the case that, that, uh, Jimmy Haslam and the rest of his C-sweets just said, I don't give a damn what you're saying, Kevin Stefansky. Work with what we hire for you.

I don't see them doing that. I literally, it's the Browns. I think Kevin has enough, but I think Kevin has enough bravado himself to be like, look, you know, just like Quinn on, on, on, on, not Quinn, but, who's the sheriff brodie sheriff brodie sheriff brodie said look i've been in the waters with this kind of shark you know y y'all gonna have a big problem if you don't do this y'y and z that he was the one telling them look y'all don't do something with this shark right now there's going to be some problems so that's what kevin was probably saying like and all of a sudden

they would say no screw that you know maybe that's one of the reasons why we're not talking about kevin savansky on the hot seat because at the end of the day management knows that they screwed him Right. Management notes that they're screwed. Yeah. Maybe that's why he gets fired. He's going to say, I've had enough. Because think about, right, because thinking about this, if all of a sudden Kevin says, you know what, I'm going to come out with a tell-all book.

If y'all don't leave me alone. Oh. How you guys tank the franchise and you screwed everything up. So you better play nice with me. You know what I mean? Yeah. All right. Well, we're going to talk about some of the comments that you guys have

because the chat is popping off with a lot of stuff, especially about the coaching search. We'll get to some of your comments and questions. Just put them in the live chat here with us on YouTube, and we'll do our best to answer them in our Titans Talk segment. That's coming up very shortly. Stay with it. All right, fellas.

So we got our first comment here from Rye School. He's been actually an avid listener of the show. He says, hear me out. We signed McCarthy for three years. And by that time, Marcus Freeman will be, more open to making the NFL jump, and we make a less controversial coaching change. So some patience is what he wants. Yeah, a little slight handoff.

What do you guys think of that? So I, are we putting the cart before the horse? Well, it wouldn't be way too down the line. I get it, but look, it wouldn't be a bad thing because I don't necessarily see Mike McCartney coming down here and failing, especially with all the momentum that seems to be building here. in Tennessee. I'm telling you, fellas, history will repeat itself. When they open those doors on the other side of the Cumberland and people just want to be a part of that environment, they're going to do the exact same thing that they did when they opened the doors for Adelphia Coliseum. I was there,

fellas, I was there at the Liberty Bowl. I was there in Vanderbill's junkie-ass stadium. And then when they opened the doors over there and everybody came to witness something that belonged to them, they're going to bust them doors open over there and this team will be just perfect to like reap the benefits of all that man we're going to the damn Super Bowl and guess when we're going the minute that Nashville secures the next Super Bowl when Nashville is denied to go to the Super Bowl just like the Rams did just like the Bucks did when that city hosts these teams are going bro I'm telling you I'm calling it right now December 30th my grandson's first birthday I called it right now in 2025 that the Titans will go as soon as Nashville gets the bid

for the Super Bowl. I love that. I love all that. Let's keep that up. Let's keep that going. That's what gets me waking up in the morning. That is my coffee. That's my Folgers in my cup right there. Is the Titans open in the new stadium? Cam Ward's good. Jeffrey Simmons is dominant.

Mike Borganzi is dominating in the drafts. They get New Jersey's they lean into the Oilers colors which are the nastiest color combination in the NFL. Everything's great. Titans win Super Bowls And I die happy. Like, that is, that is the dream right there.

So we got to hope that that's the case. But I don't know if that plan includes a Mike McCarthy baton handoff to Marcus Freeman. I doubt, I doubt that that's part of that equation. We have another comment here. It says, IDK, what to do with this coach, to be honest, I wanted Mike McDaniel, Seahawks head coach, when we went for Brian Callahan, but now I'm like, ugh, I don't know. Well, Mike McDaniel was hired with the dolphins when they,

hired Brian Callahan, so... Oh, that's right. I mean, yeah, I want Kyle Shanahan right now, too. Do you know, but that he's got a job. So, you know, that's too bad. He wasn't an option. I mean, the good thing for you, when in doubt, is you don't have to pick the head coach.

Mike Borgonzi does. So you may not know what to do, but that's all right, because it's not your job anyway. So all we can really do is sit back and see what Mike Borgonzi does. I just hope that they cast a wide enough net and talk to enough people to find the best. Scott. Yeah, Mike McDaniel, I do like his cerebralness. He's an O.C. He's an O.C.

I don't know. I just, I like him. I'm a well-wish. He actually just corrected himself. He said he's talking about Mike McDonald from Oh, from Seattle. Oh, for Seattle. That makes more sense. Mike McDonald's. So yeah, that's what I thought he does without Clint Kubiak. That's what I'm going to say. Let's see what happens when Clint Kubiak leaves and see if, because that's the test for all defensive

defensive-minded head coaches is can you get the offensive coordinator position right multiple times, not just once? But can it be Sam Darnold, though? I mean, the dude was a baller in Minnesota, bro, and now he's doing the same thing in Seattle? Can we give the common thread of Sam Darnold a little bit of credit, man?

Yeah, you're right. And Sam Darnold does deserve some credit. That's fair. It's more of a, you know, commentary on replacing offensive coordinators. But Sam Darnold is a baller, and I think that is the hope is if you have a good enough quarterback, even if you're a defensive-minded head coach,

you're still going to be good because your quarterback is so good. That's the allure of Cam Ward if you're a defensive-minded head coach. Hey, you get the defense going. Let this freak of nature be awesome on offense when we get him more weapons, and that's a great football team. If you're pitching a defensive-minded head coach, that's the pitch right there.

Cam Ward is so good that he should be able to elevate the offense to a point where if you get a good enough offensive coordinator, you're going to have a very good team. but, you know, we'll see, you know what I mean? I understand that there's remorse with Brian Callahan. There should be, you know, he's one of the worst head coaches statistically in the last 25 years in the NFL, and the way that it all went down makes it even worse.

And is that part of, I guess, for BeHop for you, the part that you want maybe more of an experienced guy because is there a little bit of PTSD when it comes to trying to swing for the young, you know, up-and-coming coach in a Brian Callahan, for example, and how that all went down? I don't want the team to have to be won over. You see what I'm saying?

I don't want them to go into a situation, not understanding who this dude is, what value he brings, and just going by the bravado of what they've heard. You know what I mean? I want someone to come in already established. His resume speaks for itself. There is no questions about his direction

and his leadership intangibles. It's already known. It's on his sleeve. That's the guy I'm looking for. And that makes the reason why I say this because when you've got veterans, like, you know, I play for the same team for 13.

seasons. By the time I got to year 13, you know, our culture was established and anybody coming in would have had to get with us, you know, because our culture was established. We didn't have to learn somebody else. With a new dude, what's his culture? Who is this guy? What's his coaching style? How's he going to manage? He's got a lot, first off, in his first year to manage being a head coach. You got stuff to prove, let alone someone has been in the situation, understands exactly how the lay of the land works, how to put his plan in focus. in position and have all the assistance that he needs

to be able to get this thing off the ground. To go full circle here from what we talked about at the beginning of show, Tyler talking about Brett Fav in the comparison to Cam Ward. Rye School brings up the more I think about, more I think about it, doesn't Cam feel like a McCarthy-style QB Farr, Aaron Rogers,

are comps for Cam's playing style. There you go. Yeah, finding a guy who can make plays, has supreme arm talent, has the mobility to make it happen, but all. also has to find a way to kind of, you know, what is when you tune a guitar, you stick the thing on the guitar, and then you kind of tune it. I'm no musician, but Cam Ward needs to do that with his playmaking ability.

He's kind of a musician right now with the way, he's a jazz musician, the way he can freestyle and do all that different stuff, but he's got to tune it, and I think having a coach who's helped other guys tune that playmaking in, and I have compared Cam Ward's elusiveness and his running ability to Dak Prescott. Like, Dak Prescott, I think, is a similar style of runner where he's not a guy who's like Lamar, where he's going to get out on the QV sweep and beat you down the sideline, but that can go through the middle of the defense and really make you pay, you know, with his legs. So you look at a guy like Rogers who has that playmaking knack that Cam Ward has.

You look at a guy like Prescott who can do a little bit of that too, and you look at McCarthy who's been with both those guys, yes, I think it does feel like a perfect fit. And that's why I've been so high on McCarthy as an option as we talked about over the last 20 minutes. Yeah, and it's their style of running ability that lends to that success. What I'm saying is, Lamar Jackson breaks the pocket. You expect him to run away from dudes. You expect him to have just as much of a skill set running the football as he does, passing it, right? Cam's not running away from anybody.

Dak Prescott ain't running away from anybody. You know, I mean, these guys are mobile. Aaron Rogers ain't running away from anybody, even when he was younger. He was elusive. He could manipulate the pocket. He could do those things, get you to the tough yard down. But he's not going to be like some, you know, take off and just hit that next gear and be gone toward that.

He got to really legitimately look at this dude like he's a running threat, right? That's not the way these guys operate. And Cam would best serve an offense that, in my opinion, has a stout running ability. So therefore, he can either keep it himself as a runner or hand it up to the running back because he'll have the same kind of success. Indeed, Tyler comparing Camdo a musician, perfect for Music City's quarterback. So that's where we're going to end here on today on the. Titan Squad Show. Remember, we have one last post-game edition on Sunday.

You not only can tune to us on the Titans Squad Show, but Tyler's Locked-on Titans podcast every single day here on the Locked-on podcast network. I'm Julian Minuteson. That's Brad Hopkins and Tyler Rowland. We'll see you guys for one final game day on Sunday. See you then. Thank you.