Locked On Titans - Daily Podcast On The Tennessee Titans - TITANS SQUAD SHOW: Depth Chart DEBATE, Cam Ward CONCERNS & joint practice EXPECTATIONS

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

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All right, the Tennessee Titans have a game this week. We talk about the joint practices in Tampa Bay ahead of that preseason game on Saturday. Plus the first unofficial depth chart is out. What player groups stuck out? Maybe some surprises all here on the Titan Squad show. Next. Titan up. It's the Titans squad.

Sponsored by Game Time. Everything Tennessee Titans every week. Covering all the big hits and game-changing plays from the, part of Music City the way only the locked on podcast network can squad up the titan squad show starts now welcome to the titan squad show i'm your host julian minnesone alongside tyler rowan and brad hopkins fellas game week how are we feeling tyler how you feel listen i mean anybody's watch my stuff they know I am hype now I'm hype at a funeral that's just how I happen to be but I cannot wait man I mean obviously it's kind of funny talking about this stuff standing

next to a Tennessee Titans legend and Brad Hopkins who played the game at the highest level but hey that all started because you love the game at the lowest level and I love football in my heart and soul it is my life my passion and have football games back everybody loves the summer it was great but no I'm ready for a Tennessee Titans football game I cannot wait Yeah, I think what this week will usher in is a little more organization to the chaos. That's what training camp is designed to do, right? It's designed to make you uncomfortable, it's designed to be hard. So that way the regular season is manageable, right? And I think when you start looking across the field and you see jerseys that are of a different color, you know, that kind of puts things in perspective. And also it shows you that the preseason is underway, that they're starting to compete. They're not game planning, like if it were a regular season game, but you're starting to see it more look like football, right? and then we're able to then more easily identify what this football team will look like for 2025. Yes, we will.

And today's episode is brought to you by GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account and use code locked on NFL for $20 off your first purchase. So, guys, the unofficial depth chart came out, the first one of the preseason last night. I wanted to take our listeners through that here a little bit and maybe talk about some of the things that stuck out to you. Of course, we go down the line of Cameron Ward,

QB1, it would have taken a meteor for hitting the earth for him not to be the QB1. Calvin Redley, Tyler Lockett, Van Jefferson at receiver, Chigacanquo at tight end with Gunner Helm right behind him. Up front, Dan Moore and Peter Skoronsky on that left side, Corey Levin at center with Boyd Cushenberry on the pup list right now. On the right side, J.C. Latham, Tyler Lockett. On the defensive side, of course, Jeff Simmons, Devonre Sweat, Sebastian Joseph Day, Day, up front. You have Femiola Dejo backing up, Arden Key, who's. on the outside linebacker spot along with Draymont Jones. Cody Barton, James Williams on the inside.

Of course, the secondary Jarvis Brownlee, Darrell Baker at the cornerback spot. Nickel, you got Roger McCrary, Armani, Amani Hooker, and Xavier Woods there at safety. Joey Sly, Johnny Hecker, kicker punter, and then James Prochet punt return, kickoff return, Jaquan Jackson with Chim Deky, the rookie behind him, Morgan Cox, at Long Snack there.

So, you guys, big things that stuck out to you, As you look at this first unofficial depth chart, I guess to me, the big thing is we kind of knew this team was going to be young, right? A lot of rookies expected to make an impact, but seeing it from a 360 aerial view, it is jaw-dropping to see how many young players are expected to make an impact right away. Not just the rookies, not just Cam and Femi and Gunner and guys like that, but second-year players as well, like Jarvis, J.C., Devonre Sweat, who you're expecting some assessing. in year two. That's probably the biggest thing that stuck out to me. What about you guys? You know, I thought that first off, you're right, Julian, this is a very young team. I think we'd have a completely different expectation for this team had they went out and spent a whole bunch of money. Now, what they did do is they made improvements up front, which are obviously going to see

Kevin Zeiler on the field at some point in time. Lloyd Cushenberry for last year's investment, hopefully he'll be healthy and Dan Moore. I'm particularly talking about the guys up front because that's where they made the most improvement by bringing in older guys. But what that does mean, conversely, is that what? You've got a lot of young guys that you're trying to develop. But that's what you need to be able to do to build a good team. You have to be able to what? Find the talent, develop the talent, keep the talent.

Those are the three measures of success for a franchise. And we know now that they've found the talent. Let's see if now they can develop the talent. And later on, if there's a lot of success, then hopefully they can keep the talent. You're muted, Tyler. I'm just excited to get answers. You know, like, I just want to see how Cam Ward actually performs at the NFL level. I want to get my eyes on how Femiola Dejo is working with his pass rush moves.

I would imagine he's going to get a ton of opportunity. The young players that you're talking about, being able to actually see them compete against the other guys, like a Cedric Gravers of James Williams, with James Williams at the front. But I think you're right, it does stand out on the depth chart just how many young players are on here. but I'm curious about how these veteran players are going to lead them. Like, is Jeffrey Simmons going to get back to the all-pro level? I would imagine in the first couple of preseason games, he's not going to play too much.

But with so much young talent all over the roster, it is imperative that some of these veterans that the Titans are counting on actually live up to their value and their contract. Jeffrey Simmons got a $100 million contract. There's conversation that he wants new money after he changed an agent. Well, you've had five, five-and-a-half sacks and back-to-back years and haven't quite been the all pro level that you were the two years before that. You need to be worth your contract right now before there's new money coming in.

Arden Key, they love his pressure rates. I'm not as high on Arden Key as other people in the fan base or that cover the team. Is he going to step up and be a primary rusher so that these young rushers behind him like a Femiola Dejo don't have to do too much for this team to win games. Legerius Sneed, is he going to come back? He's not on the depth chart because of the PUP. Like, when we look at all the young players on the roster, I flip that back to, okay, well, these veterans better be worth it. I mean, Dan Moore got $22 million per season to be a franchise left tackle.

He needs to be that right away for the time. That's how this works with what they've invested in the offensive line. So I'm curious with the veterans that are on the roster, but I think as we get into the depth chart from a micro level instead of, you know, the macro level that we're looking at right now, there are more interesting things in terms of and decisions that they made like in special teams. I have thoughts about how they've set up the kick returner and the punt returner that I think are exclusive to preseason. So I'm sure we'll get into all of that. But overall, I agree a lot of young players, which means that these veterans really need to step up. Yeah. And you think about something I've thought about

too. There is a lack of depth to this team, right? You're expected a lot of the starters at least to make an impact, particularly at that corner spot, you know, Legerius Sneed being out is paramount to this team. I mean, not that Jarvis Brownlee can't do it. He showed some things last year, but you're expecting ascension here in year two. But he is not a number one corner on the team, at least right now. Darrow Baker's kind of been a journeyman in that front as well. Probably played some of his best football of his career last year. But Legerius Sneed being out really hurts this team on that front with the lack of depth. It's kind of like, you know, like in Star Wars where they say,

Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope for the secondary. That's where Legerious need, I guess, is right now and hoping that he gets healthy soon. But a lack of depth, I think, is certainly one of those things. Wide receiver. I know they have the two young guys backing up, Chimray, D.K. and Ellic, Iommander, but you're a little bit older at wide receiver too and having those guys needing to make an impact. Calvin, really, if he's out, then you're toast in that front. And, of course, Cam Ward with no really QB2 option, real QB2 option, no disrespect to

Brandon Allen and Tim Boyle. But the lack of depth, I think, is something also that is glaring, at least if I'm looking at it from an aerial view here, too. Well, Julian, I just want to make, sorry about that. I just wanted to make this overall point, I guess, at the beginning of the show, before we got too far. Because I've been feeling this the last couple of days with the practices over the weekend and all that. But like, we have to remember this team went three and 14 last year. Like, and you look at the roster and we're talking about all the young guys and the second guys. And you're talking about Ascension, Julian.

and you know what, I do it too. I'm not going to get on my podcast and nonstop every day be like, oh, these guys aren't going to be good, you know, because what's the fun in that? Like, why not believe? Why not have hope that the team? But the reality is all these second year players, Jarvis Brownlee Jr., a James Williams,

Devonre Sweat, J.C. Latham, the rookie wide receivers, all these young guys, not all of them are going to work out. You know, like, it's a nine-man draft class and everybody's penciling in every pick to be this and that. And it's like the reality is if three of the nine turn in, to starters for you the next year is four turn into starters that's a banger draft class that's a great draft class look at the 2009 draft class for john robinson it was all time when it first happened with like four or five starters all nine of these guys aren't going to work out all of

these second year players aren't going to take the leap it's just not going to happen for a three and 14 team so you know we talk about the depth and the young guys and all that i'm sorry it's just in my head right now i'm just like hearing us talk about this we can hope everybody works out but You're right, look at corner. If Sneed, Sneed wasn't even playing great football last year. He had a couple of good games and people look at the receptions and the yardage and say, but watch the tape. He was getting burnt.

He was getting beat consistently all four weeks, all five weeks that we saw. So I just, even if Sneed comes back, is he going to be at the level that they paid for? And then the depth outside, is Jarvis Brunley Jr. going to turn into a one, or is he an aggressive guy who's a good second guy? You know, McCreary's on the last year of his deal, and then where's the depth out of that, as we're about to discuss? Like, I just have some concerns right now, and we're all hyped up because it's training camp, but looking at the depth chart kind of made me like jump scare, like, whoa, like, man, this is going to be, this is going to be a process. Yeah, you know, fellas, what I think about is, even though you might not have available the starters that are expected to be in this lineup, like Lowy Cushingberry, like Lagerie Schnee, like you mentioned, Tyler, what that does do is open up opportunities. to develop that back end of the roster.

You know what I mean? So the depth now gets a chance to get on the football field and show what it can do. And there's nothing better. There's no better teacher than repetition. You know, so while we're talking about maybe some guys not available, whatever else, I did see some bright spots. I like Desmond Evans on that outside, applying pressure with his long, lean approach.

You know, he's got a good get-off. I like Kevin Winston Jr. This guy seems to be making plays all training camp. He's flying around all over the place. He's setting the tone. Jalen Duncan, you know, Here's a guy that seemed like, I thought this dude was, I mean, give me a shovel and some dirt. I thought this cat was done, you know what I mean?

But now he looks like, like somebody's, you know, guy's family held hostage. He's playing some damn football, you know what I mean? So the guy's going to, and Jackson Slater, that's another guy that I got in my notes, too, as someone that's actually raised some eyebrows, just like, ooh, you know what I mean? So while you might not see, you know, the length of depth that I'm sure that a lot of people would like, you know, but you just can't, you know, there's not 44 starters on a team. You know what I mean? It's 22 starters, and that's usually for a reason.

But like I said, to wrap it up, it does give those players that otherwise wouldn't be able to see the field a chance to get that game time repetition that allows them to develop. Is there a position group or player when you're looking at the depth chart now? I know it's just the first unofficial preseason depth chart. But is there something that really sticks out to you? I know there's a Josh Wiley Hive out there, but I didn't think that he was going to be, you know, one or two tied-in. Gabe Judy Lolley is the only guy on the, it looks like on the depth chart that's in two backup spots.

It shows how much they value him, former of all. So, guys, what do you think about maybe some position groups for players that are sticking out to you at the micro level, as I guess Tyler was talking about? Great, I'll go first. I mean, I look at the linebackers. We talked about the linebacker battle all, all season long. And the fact that James Williams is just the starting linebacker.

He's just there. Like it's not, there's not a, they've done slashes, they've done oars, they've done ands, they've done butts, they've crossed the eyes and dotted the T's, you know, and I mean, but I think that James Williams ascending to the point where, remember, he's a seventh round rookie. Cedric Gray was drafted ahead of him. So there's all the reason in the world to give Cedric Gray more opportunities and to make it even and to not set, and to say they're in a pure competition and all that, but they haven't.

James Williams has taken that position, and right now it would be kind of a shock if he didn't just keep it overall the rest of the way. So I think that stood out to me. Number one is that there's no caveat to James Williams being the starting inside linebacker next to Cody Barton right now. And I think with his physical tools, a former five-star recruit, I think that should make Titans fans really, really excited to see James Williams not only be in that battle and still be in it, but looking like he might have won it out of the gate already. he's been that good. Well, I'm going to look at the running back position because there's a guy that's, you know, obviously did really good work for them last year, but didn't get the repetition that I think he's going to get this year. Taji Spears, I mean, the enthusiasm, the energy, you know, his presence just on the field,

even watching his process, walking around the field barefoot before practice. There's a lot of mention about him, right, Tyler? I mean, from Brian Callahan all the way to the running backs coach, you're starting to hear them mention him in his role in this offense, right? Even though we know Tony Paul, it's a thousand yards. We are very capable. But I think that the way that they handle both of these backs is going to be intriguing because you're going to see a lot more number two on the football field and rightfully

so. He deserves it. And having gone through what he's gone through and I mean, I heard Cali even mentioned, you know, not only improvements on the field but off the field personally, how he handles himself. You know what I'm saying? It seems like he's growing into this player that it's going to be hard to keep him off the field because of his, his, you know, just ability and, of course, his connection with this roster.

He's, he's bought in. He's invested. Obviously, it's nobody's business, but Taj's. But yeah, you have heard a lot of that, right, of the off the field. He's in a better spot. So obviously, he was dealing with things on and off last year. But it's not just, you know, he's going to be on the field a lot as a choice. They need him. Like, they have to have him. There aren't enough electric playmakers on this offense. There's not enough juice on the offense in general. So he's got to stay healthy. They need him to be on the field. It's, you know, he wants to be on the field. They want to give him more opportunities. I think Tony Pollard might start to show signs. He started to wear down at the end of last year. I just don't think he's a, he can be a featured back in a

committee, but Tony Pollard can't be a bell cow like Derek Henry, and they asked him to be that last year. And I'm worried about his health this year if he gets a load similar. So they have to have Taj Spears step up and stay healthy and be out on the field. They need it. Yeah, Brian Callahan talked about evening out the load between those two guys. And Taj, to your point, Bhop and camp looks pretty darn explosive in the reps that he is getting. Tyler, you mentioned something earlier about the special team side of things. Is it, are we looking too hard into the Jaquan Jackson thing here? Because there was panic on Twitter yesterday when Jaquan Jackson was listed as kick return.

Obviously had his issues last year hanging on to the football. I will say, you know, they did hire Jones Fossil, John Bones Fossil. Maybe they feel like there's something that they could unlock there with him and get him on the right side of things. But what do you think about the Jaquan Jackson side of it where Titans fans seem to be maybe panicking, maybe prematurely, I'm not sure. Folks, they're doing this because it's the preseason.

And they don't want to put, Taj Spears is going to be one of the team's kickoff returners because he's awesome. and it'll probably be Chim Ray Dike, a guy who they know is making the roster. But the only way Jaquan Jackson makes this roster, the only way is if he turns into their best returner. So the best way to figure that out if he's going to make it is to give him the most kickoff return opportunities in the preseason because you know that Chim Ray D.K. is going to do it

and you know he's making the team. It's about answering questions that the coaching staff doesn't have the answers to yet. That's why James Prochay is the starting punt returner as well. If James Prochay makes this roster as a seventh wide receiver, I think the top six are locked, and it's between Proche or Restrepo for who gets that seventh spot. If they keep seven, I think four tight ends, nine offensive linemen, four running backs may be more beneficial to the team because of special teams purposes than wide receivers. So that seventh wide receiver has to be a special teams contributor, and James Prochet is only going to make it if he is the starting punt returner, which he doesn't have kickoff return experience. He has punt return experience in the NFL.

That's what he does. So if he can be the team starting punt returner, and then, you know, Jaquan Jackson, you talked about the shovel and the dirt, I mean, the hole was buried at this point after that drop in camp earlier this week. But like, to me, everyone needs to calm down. They're doing this so that those guys get the maximum opportunities during the preseason so they can earn their roster spot. And if not, then they're not going to make the team.

And then the guys behind, it'll be Chimray DK and Tagee Spears is the kickoff returners. it'll probably be DK as the punt returner, like they're just doing that. Sometimes the depth chart is structured in a way to get maximum reps to certain guys so that the coaching staff can answer questions before they make their roster cuts. And that sort of stuff, like Cam Ward working on protection slides and stuff like that that Brad would know about in practice against all these pressure looks from Dernard Wilson. Like Brian Callahan's probably thinking, hey, we need to test Cam on his protections today. So, hey, Dynard, run every third down blitz you got.

I want to see how he handles pressure. because Levis was terrible at his protection slides last year and that was one of the reasons that he got hit so much that gets blamed on the O line but it's actually the quarterback. So Brian Callahan is trying to stress test protection packages early in camp so that Cam knows that stuff because it'll kill him if he doesn't and it just looks like oh Cam's throwing a bunch of bad passes

and can't complete him. Well you don't know what the actual motivations of the coaching staff and I don't know either because I'm not Brian Callahan but I'm just trying to let people understand that sometimes the decisions you see and the things you hear you don't understand the true motivation of why the coach is trying to do that. And that's something that you have to think about when you're looking at all this preseason and training camp stuff.

Real quick, I remember when Aaron Rogers first started training camp in Pittsburgh. And the first thing he did was throw an interception. And people would start, oh, oh, and all that stuff. And you know, they said, hey, listen, pump the brakes. I'm trying stuff. This is where I work out some of those things that I will then put in my repertoire. You know, so while you might think this is a glaring mistake by me it's something I'm just trying right now to see if it works and they make a play great but at the end of the day he threw that pick but he's going to throw a bunch of touchdowns it's in line with what you said Tyler they're trying to see different lineups they're putting guys in different situations different positions because they want to see how they respond and react to those things that are those changes that are going on around them because if they never ever happened the last time you want to deal with them is on the field the last you know what I'm saying so you want to be able to see it in practice you want to be able to see it when you can manage and when you can address it

when you can ask questions about it, when you can see it over again, you can do those things to fix it. So you're right, that's what training camp is about. Certainly what training camp is about. And one thing that is not in question is who's going to be the starting quarterback on Saturday for the Tennessee Titans. That's Mr. Cam Ward. We'll talk about him and what we need to see out of him before that preseason game.

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where Brian Callahan had some choice words for the guys after practice, words that are not safe for podcast or on air, and he also made them run sprints after practice. So my question to you, Cam Ward, been kind of up and down here of late. Is it a big deal? My thing here? No, no, because it's really his second week of the job,

if you think about it, seeing NFL speed for the first time, training camp with the pads on, all that stuff. all of us in our second week of any job probably weren't as good as year two of the job. And we talked about Cam Ward and I think one of our earlier shows when we talk about Kobe Bryant being his favorite athlete. I'm from Los Angeles. I'm a Lakers fan. I grew up watching Kobe. I remember him airballing in 97 in the playoffs as a young player. And I'll take his career any day. So I think we need to pump the brakes on the Cam Ward struggles. I think that's going to be the experience when you think about not just Cam Ward, but the Titans as a whole. They are going to have some really good days.

They are going to have some not so great days. It's why Vegas has them at five and a half wins. It's why, like Tyler said, you're coming off a three-win season. A young team that's learning to grow kind of on the fly, I think that's why we need to pump the brakes on Cam Ward. Guys, what do you think? Is it a big deal or no? You know, defenses usually react to what they see.

Now, I know offenses do a similar thing and that they basically have to take what the defense gives you. I know you've heard that analogy a million times, right? But when you're thinking so much and it's not familiar to you, you're just not comfortable. And that's what offense is basically built on. Offense is built on scheme. It's built on running routes. It's built on blocking angles.

It's built on so many things that we dictate because we're the ones who are offending. Sounds crazy, right? But that's what makes it so uncomfortable for us. And this is the National Football League, guys. It's not easy to come in a year one and kick the door in. I know there are instances where that happens, where you've had instant success seemingly. C.J. Stroud had a heck of a rookie year, right?

What happened to the second year? You see what I'm saying? It's never easy. Jay and Daniels had a terrific first year. He went to the playoffs, took the commanders who never, nobody saw them coming. You know what I mean?

So it was a great situation for him to be in. But it doesn't guarantee you that your first pick of the draft is going to come in here and make you feel like Warren Moon, for goodness sake. It's just not going to happen. There are going to be some ebbs and flows, some ups and downs, some wins and losses, you know, and he has to be able to take those things in stride and be able to kind of keep his focus on getting better every single day.

So I'm never going to rinse the baby out with the bathwater in this situation. When you're talking about a young guy that's tasked with coming in here and running an offense that he's never even heard before, he and Nick Holt and Brian Callahan got to get on the same page, understand what Donard Wilson is trying to do to him do it regularly during practice, and then start getting into a regular routine of during the week in regular season, studying his opponent, making sure that they're on the same page, come up with the precise game plan that caters to his strengths where they are right now as far as health and who they're competing against.

So there's a lot of learning. They've been in practice for less than 20 days and for us to sit there and give some sort of indictment of who this team is truly going to be, that it's impossible. Let's not do that. Yeah, I also think that for Cam Ward, I'm not worried about him. We talked to what Brad just said, what we talked about. earlier with he's learning it's not just hey this is the first time I've seen four verts against cover three it's the protection it's the odd it's the whole

entire system he's learning everything it's not just oh seeing this play for the first time against this coverage look there's also defensive fronts that he has to consider and learn from and everything like that so there's so much to take in I am not worried about Cam Ward I think Cam Ward will be fine but I do have concern off of this first two weeks of training camp but it's just not cam Ward to me it's Brian Callahan you look at Jayden Daniels, Dan Quinn, head coach, been a long-time coach in the NFL, knows what he's doing. Cliff Kingsbury, experienced playcaller, has called plays for a long time at different levels,

was a head coach at the NFL level prior. Those two guys have way more coaching and play-calling experience than Denard Wilson and Brian Callahan. Now, I think DeNard Wilson is really good. I think he's excellent what he did with the banged-up secondary of the Titans last year. and some of the struggles that the offense and special teams created for him, I think DeNard Wilson is a good defensive coordinator. But we don't know that Brian Callahan is a good head coach in the NFL. And the fact that he was so frustrated with this team's performance,

he added an impromptu practice on Friday. And then he adds the practice. They have three straight practices over the weekend, and they don't improve to the point where he's cussing the team out at the end of Sunday's practice. We have joint practices with a playoff team in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. this week. That team, that roster, if Baker Mayfield's out there, if the Titans are playing so bad that they're getting cussed out by the coach, they might get whooped bad by Tampa Bay. And I think Brian Callahan knows that.

And Brian Callahan, in my opinion, is coaching for his job this year. He was not Mike Borgesi's pick. He was Rancar Thon's pick. It was sold as, hey, me and Rancarthon work perfectly together. We're symbiotic. Well, the Titans rejected everything that Rancarthon did this all season. Like, they rejected it. And Brian Callahan was one of his biggest moves. So there's no guarantee. There's no way that we know for sure that this organization is committed to Brian Callahan.

He is playing for his job this year, coaching for his job. And I just think that adding the extra practice, ripping the guys, running them sprints on Sunday. He knows that this team is not ready. They're not to where they need to be for how quick the season is about to arrive. and I'm more concerned, not with Cam Ward. I have more faith in Cam Ward to be a good quarterback than I do Brian Callahan to turn out to be a good NFL head coach. He might need to go be an offensive coordinator

for four or five years before his next opportunity or three years. I think he could end up being a good head coach, but he's a really young guy, first time call in plays, first time head coach last year, hadn't even called plays in the NFL to that point. We're just expect, like we talk about the growth of the players, there needs to be a massive leap for Brian Callahan. as a head coach and just early in training camp if I'm concerned about anything it's that I'm

wondering whether Callahan really is the guy that that's one of the things you're learning in training camp too is is he the guy I mean I don't think last year to be yeah it was a great guy man he is a nice guy I met him personally he's very courteous and and last year it was hard with the quarterback play that you had and you had a you know an old line that was kind of depleted so it was hard to tell what he is at his peak of his powers. I will say the job of the head coach is more than X's and O's too. Yes, exactly. It is X's and O's, but it's the leadership aspect. It's can you galvanize the troops? And that's the stuff, Julian. That's the stuff that I, he did good last year with the X's and O's in my opinion. I know the casual Titans fan who watches on Sunday

wouldn't agree, but he got guys open on film, like the concepts that he used, what he was trying to accomplish. I think he did a good job schematically. I think he would be a really good offensive coordinator. It's the leadership stuff and the organization stuff. That's where I'm wondering, is he ready for that stuff? We don't know. There's two questions. There's two questions you have to ask yourself when it comes to Brian Callahan. One, do they respect him? Two, are they willing to be held accountable by him? He's a nice guy. Everybody likes him, you know, because he carries himself well. He's easily communicated with. I mean, he speaks, you know, very clearly. But at the end is a day there's two motivations for a player one i want to do the right thing because i don't want to

get yelled at or two i want to do the right thing because i really love the players and the coaches and the team that i'm on and i don't want to disappoint them you see i'm saying two different rules of thumb there you you might have this guy that's a tyrant that's to be spitting in your face because he's all in you all in your grill yelling at you about what you did and didn't do versus that guy that just kind of simply shakes his head at you and just shows that level of disappointment like man i thought so much more for you i know you you're so much better a player than that and then a player really responding to that you know so i really think that at the end of the day tyler what you said i mean it's very poignant you can lose

or you can get whooped those are two different things yes you know what i'm saying i can take some shots i get at the end of the day come up with a loss but if that loss feels like man it could have went either way that means they're competing as opposed to going out there and just getting yard dog you know what i'm saying you're just getting whooped That means you didn't compete. That means there were so many things that you weren't ready in that game that you can easily say that we weren't prepared. And preparation is the responsibility of the coaches.

So I just want to see how this team competes. I don't even care about them winning and losing. They can lose every single preseason game that they have this year. But if it looks at the end, like they're getting better from week to week, and they had a chance to win in the end, that's all that matters. And that's what I'm worried about. Right. If you end up getting beat 38 to nothing,

or you just not even on the beginning to the end, then that just shows you that your team is not ready to compete and they're not motivated to do it and it doesn't seem like they're invested enough emotionally, intelligently, to make this team better than they are. And listen, it's a new season and everybody will, you know, it's a new year and all that. But if you go into joint practices against Tampa Bay

and it's obvious that they're a class ahead of you and they're more prepared, the players who are veterans on this team, most of them are free agent signings. players who are on this team otherwise are young players. Guess who could lose confidence in things really quickly. Guys who are mercenaries who came from other teams and then young players who don't know it. If they go out and they get whooped up by Tampa Bay in that practice, it could hurt their spirit a little bit. And for a young team with a lot of free agents that they're asking to do things, I worry about that going forward. So they need to,

you're right, at least compete and feel good about themselves coming out of this weekend. Yeah, you talked about the accountability piece. was part of the off-season program, right, where Brian Callahan, they did the whole team competitions with erasing sins and self-inflicted negatives. And so I guess when you're not worried about Cam Ward, you are worried about, hey, you've had a whole off-season program of getting rid of those sins. Why are these still happening from when we started earlier, you know, post-draft in the rookie camp to now? You know, that's kind of the big piece there. All right. So on the other side of the break, we're going to talk about the defensive side of the ball and maybe

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But I wanted to specifically talk about Jeff Simmons. Tyler, you mentioned it earlier. he's failed to get six sacks in each of his last two seasons. However, he is 20 pounds lighter this year. He looks quicker in camp. He looks faster than he's ever been. He says he's feeling good. And the big thing with Jeff is last year he was double teamed a lot.

He mentioned he talked about that throughout the season. The hope is that the weight will certainly help with that. Thoughts on Jeff Simmons and realistic expectations for him because that pass rush last year, bottom three in the NFL, yeah, it was a mess. So if this team gets to the playoffs or wins the division, we're going to give credit to his nutritionist Anna, had a chance to sit down with him on Friday, and he mentioned how that whole process has gotten him

to the position he's in right now. The reason why it's super important for him to lose the weight is for stamina. You want him to be able to play four quarters at an even level and be able to apply pressure and deal with all the things that Big Jeff has to deal with and not be fatigue, because fatigue makes cowards of us all. You're going to hear a whole bunch of coachisms for me.

This is the way it is, okay? But when talking with this guy, he has accepted that leadership role this year more than any year that I've seen so far. And maybe that's the seven-year age for him. Maybe that's him being in his system, being in his town, being respected and being revered as the leader that has made him take on that identity. But in my opinion, he's done it. He doesn't mind coaching the guys to the left or to the right of him.

He doesn't mind inspiring, if you will, with his verbal, you know, jarring back and forth with the offense. I think it's all in, not in fun, but in trying to just get this team to compete against one another because he said iron sharpens iron. And it's true. Does he need help? Absolutely. Because Jeff has to approach every single game knowing that he has to deal with the slide.

You don't know what that is? That means that the offensive line is gearing themselves up to take care of the most dangerous guy on that front. And it's usually him. So they're going to put four hands on him every single time the ball is snapped. And he's got to deal with that. It's not easy. No one's going to block Big Jeff one-on-one because that's just dumb, you know? So I think at the end of the day, he needs to Vandre's sweat when he gets done with that abdominal or whatever else.

He needs Arden Key. He needs these guys on the edges to be more of a threat that offenses have to worry about so that way it frees up Big Jeff to do some of the things that we know he's capable of doing. It's hard being Big Jeff because he does get that much attention. But think about it, it's warranted because the cat is positioned mentally and physically to take this team where they need to. to go. Whether they get there or not, that may be another story. The philosophy that the Tennessee Titans are rushing the passer with or want to rush the passer with this season, I think lends itself to a big year for Big Jeff. So they've been talking about condensing the pocket, collapsing the pocket.

The Titans know, and it's funny, Paul Kaharski, he has needled them about this over and over that last year they talked about someone has to win the one-on-one matchup. And this year, they've talked about collectively rushing as a group. And you know why? Because they realize they don't have guys who are going to win one-on-one matchups very often. And the best thing you can do if you don't have edge rushers who are going to win consistently

is have big physical, powerful edge rushers who can at least speed to power and crush the quarterback back. And then the quarterback's got to step up into your better rusher, Jeffrey Simmons. So the philosophy that the Titans have told us publicly that they are going to use the rush this year to kind of collapse down the pocket

is going to flush the quarterback forward to make him step up into Jeffrey Simmons. So that lends itself to Jeff having a big year. But back to what I was talking about earlier in the show. He has to. He must have a big year. Again, he switched agents. He went to athletes first,

switched away from Paul de Rosia or whatever who did his first contract. And that means, usually, that, you know, hey, there's something coming up and I need better representation than what I currently have. Big Jeff doesn't have much guaranteed money left in his deal after the season.

He's going to want a re-up, he's going to want new money, and he's going to be out there ready to earn it, and he better because, again, the last two years, he has not, he had those two all-pro seasons where he was second team all-pro in 2021 and 22, 8 and a half sacks, 7 and a half sacks. And then the last two seasons, five and a half and five. And I'm sorry for the $100 million contract he got, and he was rated the number four best interior defensive linemen in the NFL in the ESPN Top 10 pool that came out this off season. well I'm sorry but five and a half sacks a year is not a top five interior defensive lineman

and some of that is he needs more help around him and all that but at some point he's got to handle his business as well so not only are the Titans setting up for a big season for Big Jeff but he must have a big season if he wants to get the money that he thinks he's due during the year or after the year so it's all lining up for a big year from Big Jeff and if the Titans want to be at their best it's going to be because he is an all pro player once again

and I need double-digit sacks from Jeff. I hate to be the box score watcher. I'm, you know, I break down the film and all that. But I want 10 sacks. The best interior defensive linemen in the league are able to get that double-digit sack marked to Chris Jones, Aaron Donalds. If Simmons wants to be that,

needs to get 10 sacks this year for the first time in his career. And we actually talked to Jeff Simmons after practice. Here's a little bit of what he had to say about that new body of his and practicing here in training camp, how he feels. Take a listen. For me, this game of football, man.

You just never know when your last night may be. And the way I try to approach things is, like, every snap my last. And, you know, I feel like I really got the Jeff Simmons comforted back. Like, the way I've been moving, the way I'm able to, like, my pass rush moves. Everything just feels so much smoother. I'm being able to transition against the double teams even better now. Because all the weight off me, all the, you know, my knees and ankles are not sore when I wake up anymore. You know, I'm excited to come to work.

I think that's been my mindset is how can I have a positive mindset even when my body don't feel good, even when, you know, things not going the right way. I mean, I haven't been perfect this camp, but each and every day, I take the coach and I come back out here with the right mindset. And it's funny when you hear about Jeff's being down in weight, but yet you have to remember he's still 300 pounds coming at you too. And Cody Barton talked about it after practice as well, how it's help some guys like him where, you know, the offensive. line can't just climb, climb to that level and, and, uh, and leave Simmons. You've got to, you've got to take care of him. So, uh, it's going to help other guys on the defensive side as well. Real quick. Um, I know you want double digit sacks, Tyler, and so does Jeff. Yes, exactly. Yeah, but pressure doesn't just come from up front. Okay. It's a balance. Um, I remember when we

played Peyton Manning's teams when he was with the Colts, it was hard to sack him because that ball was out in three seconds, period. He wasn't going to hold it. He wasn't going to patty. He wasn't, you know, staring down for receivers and getting locked up. That thing was coming out. It was coming out fast. So what I mean by that is the secondary is just as important to bring you down the quarterback as the front is, as the edge rushers are to alleviate some of that pressure. Because if the quarterback doesn't have anywhere to go to football, guess what? That means that that clock is ticking and eventually he will be tackled. And that's how you end to play. But if you've got somewhere to go

with the football all the time because coverage is lax or because there are guys wide open because, you know, the scheme just isn't working, that to me adds more pressure and more problems for a guy that in the middle of that defense, you know, is tasked with doing just like you mentioned, Julian,

keeping the linebackers clean, allowing them to make the tackles. Who are your leading tacklers on every single defense? It better damn well be your linebackers because you got four dudes in front of you that are insulation that should keep that offensive line from getting to you that's their job is in part while they're still rushing the passenger there's other parts of that defense that you have to be able to manage and and that's one of them so i'm just going to throw that out there

the secondary is just as culpable in helping big jeff get double jaded the sacks as the edge rushers are that the other three technique opposite the center is you know as anybody else sure he i think that he's got the right mindset you heard him he looks focused he's taking the coaching he's trying to apply and get better every single day. And this is a seven-year guy talking about reinventing himself, right? It's not so he's willing to at least do whatever it takes to get himself better, better, mind, body, and soul. And I, too, can understand and sympathize what he's talking about. I was 346 pounds at my highest, okay? When I lost that weight, I was a more focused player, and I didn't hurt as bad because I didn't have so much weight stressing my joints and having to deal

with all that stuff and carrying around all that weight. It takes a lot of horsepower, man, to lug that stuff around. And the fact that he can shed some of that pounds, some of those pounds, and be in the face of those interior linemen and ultimately in the face of the quarterback, I think he's in the best position. He's been in a long time, fellas. And Brad, that's something that that makes you feel better later in the season too, right? Because you haven't been carrying that weight the whole time, which in theory could mean a better

finish to the season when other guys do start to wear down. If he's in that peak physical shape, not only, you know, down to down game to game stamina, but throughout the season, the longevity of it, it could lead to Jeff being at his best later in the season where in recent years, especially two years ago, you know, he missed some games at the end of the year with some injury. Hopefully it gives him a full productive season where he feels good throughout all the months. And we'll see how it goes for Big Jeff. He certainly is looking the part, at least in training camp right now. And finally, on the other side of the break, segment we're going to talk about the joint practice coming up with the Tampa Bay

Buccaneers what we need to see from them as the Titans get going here in the preseason here on the Titan squad show keep it here all right guys joint practices with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this week they have one final practice here in Nashville tomorrow before heading to Tampa now you could see in practice they're itching to hit somebody else other than their teammate. I think a lot of the guys talked about that, including Cody Barton. Here's what he had to say. But I've been doing it for a minute. So it's, you still get the urge, though. I mean, it's just different, right? Like, stand on your feet. Like, you know, you got shots. We can line up somebody and just, you know, you can just kill them. But, you know,

you got to protect your teammates, right? And to be smart. You know, this is getting your body ready to make it for the long hole of the season. But, you know, like I said, you know, the next four five days is going to be by that time where we're going to be itching to go, you know, hit somebody else. Yeah. And there was, uh, the first fight. I guess you would call it of training camp this past week with Jarvis Brownlee and Mason Kinsey getting into it with each other. Jeff Simmons pushed down Calvin Ridley. I believe it was the practice before Jarvis hit Ridley too. And so it was getting real chippy out there. What are you expecting from the joint practices this week or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? And what do you what do you hope to see

in those kinds of practices hitting another player from the opposite side for the first time? Go back to segment three. Competing. You just want to see that these guys have the will to get out there and mix it up with guys that don't wear the same color jersey. Expect the most intense part of training camp, maybe even a season. You got full pads, full speed, motto e motto. There's no help. There's no protection in seven-on-seven or one-on-ones. DBs and wide receivers, they go at it just like offensive alignment and defense alignment.

It's press coverage, not zone, right? Coaches want to see just how well you can compete against the other team. and they have a great view of just you. They're looking at you. Okay? So, you know, games have plays. They run skiing. At the end of the day, you know, it's really about getting out there and being in the most intense environment that you're going to be in because it is exclusively you showing that you can make a roster.

If you're a starter, you don't want to go out there and get embarrassed and get shown up, especially by some young dude that's trying to make. make a team, right? Because that's what's going to help him is if he goes out there and wears you out. Or if you're a dude that's trying to make this roster, you want to go out there and put your best foot forward by going out there and showing that you can handle your business. And there's no better stage than one-on-one than basically joint practice. Because joint practice is giving the intensity of a game, even though this is just practice. And the coaches get more ideas about who you are in those situations than they ever will anything else. Yeah, that's a great point.

I will zoom in off of the big picture point and just look at some individual things that I want to see. Last year, Tampa Bay was third in the NFL and Blitz Rate. We know that Todd Bowles loves to bring the pressure. That's what he does. He's always been that way. That's what's going to happen. Well, the Dernard Wilson defense likes to bring a lot of exotic pressures as well.

So is Cam Ward all of this stress testing? You guys ever watch the food shows or the bar shows where they come in and it's a crappy restaurant with cockroaches everywhere and the food's bad and they're trying to save it. Well, they build it up, they change the things and then they do the stress test and they flood them with customers on the first night

and just absolutely destroy them and figure out everything that they suck at. Well, that's what this Tampa Bay joint practice is to me because Todd Bowles is going to bring the house at Cam Ward and all of these protection schemes that they've been implementing and getting Cam Ward to work on seeing all these looks from the Titans' Defense How is he going to handle that?

He should be prepared a little bit more than normal because the defensive pressure and the philosophy is a little bit similar. So I want to see that. Also, Tampa Bay has a good offensive line. Now, they're going to be missing Tristan Worst, of course, because he's banged up. But the rest of the offensive line is pretty good for Tampa Bay. So I want to see how the Tennessee Titans pass rush,

who most people, I would say, don't expect them to be very good. They weren't very good last year, and I don't see a ton of improvements. I don't think the Titans pass rush will be very good. I want to see how they perform against this Tampa Bay offensive line and then look we talked about the secondary and how helpful that can be and we also talked about the depth issues at cornerback with no leggerious need well Tampa Bay has a great I mean maybe the best in the NFL from a depth perspective a great wide receiver group so how does that secondary with young players and a lack of depth

how do they handle that? That's what I'm interested to see most is that offensive line, the defensive line, the pressure against Cam, and then how this secondary with a lot of questions handles a great wide receiver group. There are some real position versus position battles within this joint practice

that I think are going to tell us quite a bit about where the Titans are at in terms of like a temperature check of how they're going to perform because I am personally very high on this Tampa Bay Buccaneers football team. I think they're a great roster and I think it's a good test for the Titans

at certain spots for sure. Real quick, Julian, I don't think that you're going to see a whole bunch of scheme because they're not going to waste good looks on preseason. Well, I mean in the joint practice, not the preseason game, but maybe they don't do that in the practice. I'm talking about during the week.

I'm talking about during the week of practices. I don't think you're going to see them dial up a bunch of exotic stuff, even even the game. They won't get to that point. Because at the end of the day, this is really about when you lose a preseason game, what makes up for the preseason game, your ability to joint practice and your ability to get some work in. So that way you can see what kind of roster that you have. So I think you're going to see a lot of work from young players, which means it's really just about competing. It's really just about the foundation, the fundamentals.

You know what I'm saying? So I don't think you're going to see a bunch of, like even if Tristan works was, you know, reasonably healthy. You're not going to see them in the lineup. You know, even if you see. In the joint practice? You don't think that they would have the ones versus ones in joint practice? They will, but not to the degree that you're going to have the backups to it. Those ones might get a series, you know, maybe they get six or seven plays. But ultimately, they're trying to determine what the back end of that roster looks like competing against an uncommon opponent. So I just don't think that you're, sure, you want to see them ramped up and be able to go out there and compete as one-on-ones, right? The ones versus

ones. But I think that most of what we're going to see are those situational battles, positional battles that then determine how these players look in so that we can peg them in certain situations and say, well, this guy really competed against the bucks, this guy really looked good against the Falcons, and he were able to do some of the things that we want him to do in practice. So I just think you're going to see a lot more of the backup players in that situation than you would the starters. Not that the starters won't get rest, but I think you'd just see more of the backing so that way they can develop that Ross and figure out who they have. The biggest thing is me, just getting better at the little things within the playbook.

Just getting the ball out on time on certain situations, certain downs. And then also just seeing the fronts that the defense can present, knowing the right cause I need to get to in the protection game. I just think at the end of the day, it's always about just time and the ball placement. That's something that me and the receivers are harping on as we get our journey started. and I'm sorry to see where it can go. Did you feel like your timing was a little bit better today? I think my timing has been good every day.

Just on certain reps, it might not be where I wanted to be. But also, you know, I'm throwing 15, 16 different people every play. So that's something that, you know, we got to stay out of the practice and continue to get work on. All right, well, that's Camp Ward, breaking it down. Julian is having a fire issue, fire alarm issue, but that's training camp. All right, the final thoughts here, I guess, Brad, we've seen the depth chart. We've talked about some of the individual battles. We're looking ahead to the joint practices.

Right now, what's your expectation for the team in that preseason battle against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? Are there any players or any spots that you're looking at the preseason game? Like, I can't wait to watch this guy play. Well, I mean, I'm going to go back to the offensive line because for me, those guys have to show the most improvement from what was problematic for them last year, right? And there's a lot of new faces. Yes.

This position moves. We've got J.C. playing moving from left to right. We've got a brand new experienced right guard and Kevin Zitler. We've got a new dude and Dan Moore who is only going into his fifth year. I'm hearing Bill Callahan talk about giving him as much instruction as he is a younger guy.

I'm thinking five years and 20 million a year whatever is. You coach him like that? There should be some stuff that's already baked in, right? You would think for that money. Right, I get it. But it's a new system. It's a new environment and new players. You've got to learn it.

So I just want to be able to see them work together and give Cam Ward ample time to do what he needs to do. He's still, like he just mentioned in that clip, needs to be quick, needs to be precise, needs to understand exactly what the defense is doing against him. But he also has to have time to do his job, right? And then conversely, what those big bodies have to do is also. bring in the balance of a run game. Open those holes for Tony and Taje. Let them be consistent. Let them stay in third and manageable down in distances so the expanse of the playbook is wide open. There's very few plays for third and 20. It's just a reality, right? So I think at the end of the day,

I want to see the big bodies, take that step forward of playing together, of playing consistent. I know we're not going to see Lloyd Cushenberry in the middle, which I really hope that we do at some point in time, not taking shots at Corey Levin, but I'm just saying they need their starters and need to be at the best capabilities that they can be at. And to me, it just starts up front. What do you think, Tyler? No, I'm with you there. Like, you talked about Jalen Duncan. I mean, rave reviews right now, Jalen Duncan. So it's two backup offensive linemen. I'm very interested in it. Jalen Duncan and then Jackson Slater. Because I got to tell you, Brad, we will see, we'll see how it all works out. But I'm just not.

a huge believer in Dan Moore is a long-term solution. I think it's a stop gap. They had to have somebody. They had to have a decent offensive line. He was the only decent option for the money that they could get. But I think you look at Jalen Duncan. Maybe he can progress to compete with Dan Moore next year. And Kevin Zitler's 35 years old. I think he could do a good job this year, but, you know, he's not a long-term solution either. So Jackson Slater being as good as he's been in some run periods in practice. That's just very exciting for me as someone who's, again, going back to my first point, I'm not quite convinced that this team is just going to turn it around and be a playoff contender and all of that. I think there will be

struggles with all the young players that are expected to play. But if some of these young players who aren't expected to start right away, if they can show some signs, it'll give me hope for the future that maybe next year's Tennessee Titans can be even better with more long-term answers out there. Last question here to get us out, Brad, a guy who's played in these preseason games and done it. What was your mindset as a young player going into a preseason game? Well, I knew it was limited. You know, being a starter from day one as a rookie,

I knew that I was going to have just a little bit of opportunity to get in there and get my feet wet and get out. Yeah, that's why I thought that you're going to see less of the starters and more of the back end because it was really about camp battles, position and stuff and seeing what you have. Because guess what? When the regular season starts, those dudes don't see the field. This is their season.

You know what I mean? So you need to get as much work out of them as you possibly can. I knew that going into the situation, I was going to have to compete, I was going to have to fire off, but then guess what? I get to enjoy my hot dog for a second half. You know, so that was always, that was always the cool part. But it is also being able to go through the rehearsal of getting your mind right. You know what I mean? This is the first time in preseason where I'm going to emulate what I'm going to be doing in a game. You know, so I need to go ahead and start developing that process now. So that way by the time the first regular season game fires off, I'm ready to go. I've already done it three times. I'm familiar with what I'm going to do. This seems to work. I might make some adjustments here and there, but for the most part, I know what I'm doing. That's the important part.

Yeah, absolutely. Great insight there from a legend, the Tennessee Titans franchise. Honor to work with you. Honor to work with Julian as well as he's dealing with some issues on his own. But for me, your backup quarterback host for this Titan squad show, Tyler Rowland.

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