Locked On Titans - Daily Podcast On The Tennessee Titans - TITANS SQUAD SHOW: Training Camp TAKEAWAYS, Cody Barton and Kevin Winston SHINE as defense DOMINATES

Episode Date: July 25, 2025

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the All right. This week on the Tennessee Titans squad show, we talk about training camp. The first few days of training camp are in the books, offensive takeaways, defensive takeaways, and maybe some unsung heroes as

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Alrighty, welcome to the Tennessee Titan Squad Show here on the Locked On Podcast Network. I'm your host, Julian Minison joined by two-time Pro Bowler, former Titans offensive lineman, Mr. Brad Hopkins B. Hop. How are we feeling? First week, I guess, of training camp is in the books, not including the Nissan Stadium practice, of course.

Yeah, you're right. We're getting ramped up. These kids are starting to learn what it's like to be professionals, the younger guys, and for the ones that were here last year and the years before that, they're trying to make a better goal of it this year, right? They're trying to figure out what it was that didn't work for them last year, fix those things,

start to develop some really good new habits that will hopefully lead to this team's success. So, I'm excited to see what they do. Certainly exciting. Wanted to remind you that Tyler Rowland will be back at the top of next week for us. You could still catch his Locked On Titans podcast every single day here on the Locked On Network,

wherever you get your podcasts. We also wanted to remind you that today's episode is brought to you by Game Time. Download the Game Time app, create an account, and use the code LOCKDONNFL for $20 off your first purchase. Okay Brad, I wanted to start at least with this first segment on the offensive side of the ball. Cam Ward talked about how the offensive performance after the first day was quote mid. Part of that may be holding himself to a high standard day to

defense definitely one on day two as well. So my thing is, is that it's training camp too, is that a cause for concern and just the first week of practice, especially given, you know, he throws an interception on the first play a seven on seven. The offense maybe is not as crisp, but that's something that you would kind of expect at least early on, right? Absolutely. Well, first off, we're not gonna make excuses for

them not being where they wanna be just yet because they are just getting started. But there are a lot of things that are working against an offense until you put the pads on. You know what I mean? It's hard to block. It's hard to keep guys out of the pocket when you don't have the pads on. You know what I mean? Like, it's hard to block. It's hard to keep guys out of the pocket when you don't have the pads on to be able to get hands on people, to really be able to redirect people

and do the things that you're gonna be doing during the season and actually as camp progresses. And that's actually a true determining factor on just where an offense is, the physicality of it. And right now it's limited, you know, until we see them actually get into a scrimmage type situation until we see them consistently, you know, butting heads that that's when you really know the measure of your team. So he's working under duress a little bit because, you know, like I said, it's hard to kind of pass block, you know, guys that are in in different

type of situation. Now, what I did see when you're talking about the interception and you know, Barton saw that the play before he I mean the day before. So, he's a smart guy. He makes an adjustment because he recognizes the same place, the same script. You know, they're still working on getting those little nuances down. So, he makes play as well. He should because he recognized something that was done against them yesterday. You know, so you're gonna see guys make plays like that, especially when you, you

repetitively see the same things over and over and over again. So I would expect that to the defense to make that kind of adjustment. But I also think that go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna to say, I think we need to probably pump the brakes a little bit on the concern, right? I mean, if I had to put it at a one to 10, it's maybe at a one or a two. You know, it's like one of those things where if I get an offender bender, I'm probably going to be okay. But I still don't want to get an offender bender. You know what I mean? Um, and, and you think about the way that Cam bounces back from adversity. We talked about it on the last show, how he threw a pick in mini camp and went 18 of 18, you know, and how he bounces back from those moments like that.

And those learning curves, if you want to make a mistake, this is the time to kind of make the tip, make the mistakes and jump into the, jump into the deep end of the pool and see if you could swim a little bit. Right, but also when I saw him make a mistake, what did he do? He went right over to Cody and said, hey, look, what are you seeing? Because you did this to me before in minicamps. So it's being able to have it explained to you from a different perspective, especially when it's given the interception in the first place, to tell you what visually he's seeing in your game that allowed him to understand

exactly where you were going with the football. So I like the fact that he's humble enough to say, hey, look, I need to figure this out. And the best way to figure this out is to go to the source, the source of the problem, the problem meaning Cody Barton, he's being everywhere on this football field and I gotta avoid him. So let me find out exactly, he's being everywhere on th exactly what he's doing.

on to the football field somebody else. Yeah. And that after practice to ho cam meet especially becaus season so far and Cody sa of the ball. Cam goes to him, if Cam beats him on a play or something like that, Cam goes to him and say, hey, this is what I was looking at on the offensive side of the ball. It's kind of that hand in hand relationship there. Yeah, so I'm not super concerned about the way that plays like that because right after Cam through that interception, he had a nice pass to Tyler Lockett and then he

read a blitz, picked up a blitz, I think, and found Bryce Oliver, which would have been six points, I guess, if you're counting it in a seven on seven, how open Oliver was. So it's the way Cam has bounced back from adversity that I don't think Cam wanted to throw the interception, of course. But if you talk to if you talk about it, it's just kind of something that they got to work through in kind of the early kinks of camp. And I actually have some sound here from Tyler Lockett on camp, on the way Cam has been able to bounce back from adversity like that. So here, take a listen.

And amnesia, that's what it is. You let it go and you just keep growing from there. The biggest part of this game, man, is just like me as a receiver, we all want to catch the ball. Quarterbacks want to make every single throw like everybody wants to be perfect, but there's no such thing as perfect. So you gotta be able to learn how to work through some of those things that you know, may have not have gone right. Ask yourself, man, what did I do wrong? And then just move forward.

Don't dwell on it too long because then you know, if that's the first play, we got all these other plays and all these other things to go. That's when you start to Get into a slump and so I think he did a great job Responding and just playing his game because there's gonna be times in the game where you never know what happens And so if we can see him play through it here, you can see him play through it in any game You can't have him respond emotionally Julian. That's the problem because guess what in every situation? That doesn't go your way you learn something from that moment and it makes you better.

You know, as a matter of fact, it's almost harder to learn from winning than it is to losing because winning, you don't want to change anything. You, it works. You continue to use it until it doesn't work anymore. Right. Then that is when it becomes a problem that you have to solve. But when you have to deal with things, as long as you don't get down to the dumps and say, Oh, well, it's me. Are you kidding me?

If they're going to happen to you because the guys on the other side of the football make plays too, they have to win sometimes too. Right? So as long as he doesn't react emotionally and all the starting to start, you know, thinking, getting down in the dumps by himself, Steph Curry has missed a few three pointers himself. Right. And what does he do? Did he stop shooting? Oh gosh, I can't stop shooting. Cause I'm not making any stop it. He's going to, he's going to load up the volume even more

So yeah, I just really wouldn't be too concerned about unless he's starting to show like oh my gosh I really don't think I have the confidence to do this and that's a different situation Yeah, the big thing is not letting one mistake become to what did we see last year a lot? Especially not to down will levis But I mean that's it was kind of between the years for him sometimes when down Will Levis, but I mean, that's, it was kind of between the ears for him sometimes when one mistake or a fumble or an interception would implode into multiple bad plays, and that doomed the Titans last year, right? As far as, as far as the coaching staff point of view of this, when you have a guy as confident as Cam is, how do you kind of handle that? Do you think he's somebody that we let him kind of be and let him kind of talk to his teammates and talk it out? Or is he somebody you think would rather take that constructive criticism? Or is it a kind of a combination of both? constructive criticism. It's one thing to criticize somebody and it's not criticizing. I don't know why criticizing and critiquing sound different. Criticizing you means I'm getting on to

you about something. You know what I mean? I'm telling you about yourself. These are probably some things that are negative. I don't like. That's criticizing. But critiquing means, hey, look, these are some things I'm noticing about your game. And you can take what I'm saying as a grain of salt, or you can take it as law that you need to change some of these things. So I would rather have him be critiqued than criticized. And when you have good coaches that understand exactly that balance, it's okay to get on a guy right now. And you know, I mean, sometimes people need y'all on that. But I wasn't one of those players that needed to have someone screaming and spitting in my face because first off, I felt bad that I let the team down. I felt bad that I didn't accomplish what it was that we were trying to, trying to accomplish. Okay. So I'm going to go out there and do my best to make sure that that doesn't happen again, like you mentioned earlier,

but for a guy to actually take the coaching cam doesn't seem like a guy that's uncoachable that doesn't want to hear it when you tell him to do something because on his own accord, he's going to try and find out what the right thing is to do. But then he's going to have very qualified coaches around him that also make him understand this is what we're trying to accomplish. This is the correct approach to it,

if you don't already understand that. Right, and I wouldn't even put those, at least the interceptions that I've seen in Cam, that's not an indictment, I think, on Cam. it if you don't already understand that. Right and I wouldn't even put those, at least the interceptions that I've seen in camp, that's not an indictment I think on cam. I mean it's no coincidence that Cody Barton is the one that intercepted him every single time. I think that's more of just the value of what Cody Barton could bring to this this team rather than an indictment on cam and his early mistakes as a rookie in camp too. He's a seven-year player. Yeah. He's seen a lot.

You know what I mean? This guy's a veteran. So working against a rookie with a limited playbook, he's gonna make those plays. He's gonna make those adjustments because he's seen a lot, you know, but the one thing that like you just mentioned, he will become a tutor. He will become somebody on the other side of the football that gives Cam a different perspective that he'll that'll allow him to put that in his repertoire and be an even more evolved guy sooner than later. My question, my next question for you, Brad, is this Cam talked about how the offense, I think a lot of people blew it out of proportion that the offense was mid on day one. Is that a good thing? If you're cam to have those high

expectations for the first day of camp, knowing that he is kind of the engine that's going to make this team go for not just this coming season, but for down the line in years and years to come. That's the hope at least mid doing what Julian the basics. There's nothing sophisticated about what they're doing. They're trying to lay the foundation. This isn't hard. What makes offenses complex is the scheme and as they're able to layer more and more of a Brian Callahan scheme that makes it more difficult on defenses. You know I'm saying it's like hey, can you keep up with me while I'm jogging? Well, of course you can't. I It's like, hey, can you keep up with me while I'm jogging?

Well, of course you can't. I'm just jogging. But can you keep up with me when I'm sprinting? That's the difference. And they're not sprinting right now. They're learning the nuances. They're learning how to play with each other. They're laying the foundation.

This is the base stuff. They're not, you know, doing play action. You know what I'm saying? They're not setting up a defense for the plays that they really want to get to. They're not game planning each other. They're going out there and they're competing. You see, they're putting on the helmets

and they're going out there and they're going through what they're learning in the classroom so that way they can get, you know, acclimated with it, run that system and then start doing the things that are going to be more game time speed as camp progresses all the way up into the regular season and

that's uh hopefully what we're going to see as the camp continues. Uh we're going to talk about mister Cody Barton and the defense on the other side of the break including another rookie that uh I think we should be keeping an eye on

that. It only made a second practice second full practice at least with the Tennessee Titans. We're going to have that when the Lockdown Titans podcast, the Titan Squad Show returns. All right, everybody. Have you ever decided at the last minute to head to a ballgame with friends or family? Maybe it's game day and you suddenly realize that you want to be in the stands. Well, that's exactly where game time comes in. It's the easiest way to grab last minute tickets without the stress. And with the money you save on tickets, you could splurge on food, drinks, merch, or even invite a bigger group to come with you. Game time makes it possible. Now game time makes buying tickets fast and simple. Prices on

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download the Game Time app today. Last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. All right, Brad, we're back. We're going to talk about the defensive side of the ball. Defense, definitely one on day two. Maybe typical in the early part of camp. But as little stock as we put into maybe the offensive, maybe few mishaps or m or detail oriented stuff e stock or how little stock

the defense dominating at camp? Actually, I think t this stage of camp and wh designed to dominate beca is reacting to what the o is and what they're doing is reacting to what the offensive play calling is and what they see by positioning and things like that, right? So they're not coming to the line of scrimmage with a play design in mind that they have to execute.

What they're trying to do is recognize what the fronts are, recognize what the formations are, recognize where the quarterback is by position, and then react to what they see these guys doing. It's not hard. You know I mean, so unless you've got a bunch of youngsters out there that really are still learning and trying to understand exactly what's going on, then it can be problematic. But when you've got guys like Cody, like we mentioned earlier, you know, going on his third team seven years in the league, you know, has had multiple contracts of multiple years and, you know, going on his third team seven years in the league, you know, has had multiple contracts of multiple years and You know really is efficient at what he does and you surround this this defense with guys like that You know like Draymond Jones, you know like Xavier Woods like Ligerius when he's healthy, you know

The veterans that are on this team that have seen these times Sebastian Joseph Day. You know these kind of guys that understand exactly what that looks like. They're just need to be in their position. They can't get out of out of position and create liabilities for that defense, and that's not what they're doing. So you know if it's almost by

design whether we are right now. Now until you see Cali say hey, it's a scrimmage type situation. It's live when he says it's live. You know what that means? we're going to be deciding whether we are right now. Now, until you see Callie say, hey, uh it's a scrimmage type situation. It's live when he says it's live. You know what that means, Julian? That means

hey, that means we're game planning. We're doing something specific to try and attack the defense. We're not just doing the base stuff. We want to see you guys compete and that leads all the way into a preseason game where there's

a little bit more added to what they're doing that makes an offense look more like an offense and not just out there, you know, running seven on seven type stuff. So by design, I think the defense is supposed to win most of those situations. Yeah, Cody Barton is going to be, I think, huge for this team. Uh, I mean, we've talked about him throughout the show already. Um, not just the interception that he had on cam yesterday, but it's three interceptions through Barton. And like I said, I think that's no coincidence,

but on top of that, he's gonna be playing alongside a young guy. We talked about him being a vet. He's gonna be playing alongside a James Williams or a Cedric Gray or an Otis Reese, somebody like that. And the experience is gonna be invaluable for moving along a young somebody like that, and the experience is going to be invaluable for moving along a young player like that, especially early on in camp.

How big are you know? I mean, it goes without saying, but you were a young player once. You know how big are is that veteran experience that veteran presence as specially when you're going through a first camp like or even a second or third camp like a lot of these guys are.

It's monumental. You know, for me, I was fortunate enough to get drafted to a team that was laden with veterans. You know, the former head coach of the Tennessee Titans, Mike Munchack was my left guard when I first came in as a rookie when starting there's experience there. Once he retired, they slid Bruce Matthews over there and he and I played alongside of each other for 10 years. He already had 10 years in the league by the time I got in there. Once he retired, they slid Bruce Matthews over there. He and I played alongside of each other for 10 years.

He already had 10 years in the league by the time I got in there. Then there was Sean Jones on the defensive side of the football, William Fuller on the defensive side of the football Hill. Wilbur Marshall was a guy that we picked up in free agency that, you know, that I counseled him a lot on what it was that he saw in my game that I needed to improve on. You know what I mean? So that experience, it goes a long way in kind of, you know, keeping the anxiety down when you have guys that first off believe in you that are in those positions as veterans and they

say, Hey man, you can do this, huh? I remember one time I had a guy, Julian, his name was Jeff Legwald. Oh, um, I think it was Jeff Legwald. He was a defensive lineman for the Jacksonville Jaguars. And this was going into my third year. I'd say third year, because I'm still a young guy relatively. And I had a, no, Loggerman. That's who it was, Jeff Loggerman. And he was playing for the Jets.

And he just whooped me from top to bottom as a rookie. And I was playing for Jeff Loggerman and he was playing for the Jets and he just whooped me from top to bottom as a rookie and I was feeling terrible and as I was walking off the field, I get this tug on my jersey and he's like, hey, Hop, don't worry about it, man. You're going to be just fine and he was telling me some of the things that he would like to see me do better. This is the opponent after a game. And he was better enough to look at my situation and say, hey, this kid, you know, he could possibly evolve into something.

And I'm not gonna, you know, take away his confidence and not let him understand that I do think that he has the potential. So he took it upon himself after the game, as I'm walking off the field, feeling dejected, to stop me and say, hey, look, you gotta be okay. And these are some of the things you need to work on. So when you have guys like that

that are not only on your team, but also people that see, you know what talent looks like and they want to see it develop. That's when you have the makings of you know, a good player that is surrounded by the right kind of support cast that you know, that allows him to then realize who he actually can be. And Barton, for example, in this case, being the vet there in the middle, he's coming from a Denver team that led the league in sacks last year. Right.

You know, and, and we talked about this on the last show with, when you like Kevin Zeitler as somebody in the offensive line, who has seen the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. But now Barton's coming to a situation where the Titans pass rush was the third worst in the NFL. And how invaluable that is going to be. We actually have some sound from Cody Barton on what's been making the transition so smooth and how much he feels like he can help this team at least right away. Here we go. You know I was in a similar scheme last year so coming here wasn't some crazy new like from scratch you know what I mean. And just like I said earlier you know in this scheme you know he lets us play fast and lets us you know really use our strengths as players to use what we got and I feel like it you know the scheme here matches what I have to bring to the table. And I feel grateful and fortunate to be here.

And it's been a lot of fun so far. That rotation. That was Cody Barton talking about Denard Wilson's scheme and the defense and all of that stuff. So B Hop, what do you think about what he said there? He's spot on. What it sounds like to me is that he thinks that Denard has confidence enough in them to let them be them and play to their strengths. You know,

when you don't have to reinvent yourself, when you're using exactly the tools that you were brought in here to use, you know, that allows you to be more confident player. And I think obviously did not Wilson speaks player, you know, with his background, right? To understand exactly how to maximize these guys' potential and let them be the players that they brought them in here to be. So when you've got guys that have been in the league, as long as Cody has, as

long as Draymond has, as long as luxurious and these guys have, you'll understand exactly where their strengths are and you play to those because that's why you brought them in, right. You didn't break it being a man to break them down and have them be somebody different than what it was that made them successful. That's called a rookie. You know what I mean? Because those guys need layering. Those guys need developing. But when you can see guys like Cody talk about how you know in the past they come from situations that they can then use that

experience and apply it to where they are now they would hope that this defense resembles the one that Cody just came from am I right right you know so if I'm breaking out the tape and I'm looking at Cody Barton from last year and this defense flying around I'm seeing him making plays do I want to do something different no I want him to do the exact same thing that made him a good acquisition for us on the defensive side of the football, bring some of that with you here. That's why you see coaches and players alike

when they have success, they all of a sudden become a commodity, right? Because people see what it was that they did successfully and they say, hey, look, if we can get that here, then we should have a good chance to have some of that same type of success. And I think any Titans fan would love to have the Denver Broncos defense that they had last season. Absolutely.

You talked about some of the young guys too, and though Barton had the big interception on day two, I think, at least to me and to maybe a lot of the media members on the sideline a lot of the who's and Oz Came from a play from Kevin Winston, Jr. The safety the rookie. I mean We knew coming in that we've just been hurt hearing because of his injury. We've been hearing Oh, he's gonna be he's gonna be a good he's a first-round talent, but we got him Later in the draft and then yesterday his second full 100% practice full go, he clocks Josh Wiley over the middle

and then rips the ball from him. Now Josh Wiley is not a small guy by any stretch of the imagination. And Wiley, I think that play is huge in like kind of a big picture sense of Winston, a rookie, not backing down and saying, Hey, we are here to compete. You may have been on this team before Mr. Wiley, but we are here to compete as rookies. We are the cornerstone pieces of this franchise and we're trying to change this winning culture. Like we need to wake up. Like we're, we are here to compete. What do you think about Kevin Winston Jr. and what he could provide for this team? I doubt Julian that he called him Mr. Wiley. Probably had a few other things that he wanted to call him. But it actually, right, I listened to Taylor Zarzer,

obviously the voice, the new voice of the Titans, talking about, you know, Kevin and what he brings to the table. And the one thing that he said that resonated with me was energy. He brings that energy. That's what defenses need. They, you know, you hear all that chirping and buzzing and flying around and, and, you know, trash talking and stuff. That's part of their game. You know, that's part of what motivates them.

And we, you don't have to poke and pry the guy to get out of his shell and to be this dude that's flying around making plays like that. That's an advantage, especially early on. So what the defense brought and what Kevin brought were energy that needs to be in place for this team to have success. Denar Wilson loves the type of energy that his team is playing with. And you're right, they're out there to get better. So guess what?

The next time Josh Wiley is in a situation where he sees Kevin Winston Jr. coming downhill, what's he gonna do? He's gonna secure the football, right? He's gonna make sure that this situation doesn't happen again. And in a weird sort of way, Kevin made Josh better just by doing that. You know what I mean? Because now he's very cognizant of what can happen if you don't secure the football. If you don't put it this way, if you don't bring your

hard hat and lunch pail, then they're going to basically take your lunch. That bologna sandwich that you made and you plan on eating at lunch, he's eating it. You know what I'm saying? I think it also says something to Kevin Winston, the kind of player he is, that coming off that ACL injury, the fact that he's already kind of full go 100% and Mike Gorgonzzi, the GM and Brian Callahan both talked about it in their pre-training camp press conferences that he was here all summer long, like rehabbing and working and grinding. You talk about the Titans wanting to bring guys who love ball

Right who really are football guys. I think that is the perfect example of somebody who? Is going to be rehabbing from a very serious injury? But knows his opportunities in front of him is not taking it for granted And we don't play retire unexpectedly earlier the facilities in front of them facility every single day this summer. I mean, I think that bodes well for at least the class of player and the character of player that you brought in, because I don't think you can teach character like that, you know, not to, you know, to give Lorenzo Carter a little bit of, you know, he realized that, Hey, I can't compete like I want to.

You know, these injuries are just, it's just too much to overcome. I'm going to always be dealing with this stuff. I remember at one point in time what's the quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts and the one that just constantly kept getting hurt and they just

finally said yes, Andrew Luck. He just finally said, man, I'm spending more time in rehab and in the training room than I am on the football field. This is just, I can't do it anymore. So when he recognized that, I understand that. But I think when you're talking about Kevin and him being here all the time, rehabbing that rehab and that injury might have put him in the position that

he's in right now to be confident because he has spent so much time in the building because it is familiar to him because he does know the support staff because he has to work to make sure that he's ready to go. So it almost gives gave him a little bit of an advantage over everybody else that didn't have to be here all the time, right? Because when you're injured like that, unless you've got millions of dollars to spend on therapy and all this other stuff on your own, you're going to get your butt back into the facility and take advantage of what they have to offer you. So I think

being in that situation, it then allowed him to kind of develop the confidence and the familiarity with his environment that then linked to the confidence that we see in his energetic play on defense. And I think when you're injured like that too, I never played football, but I played basketball through my freshman year of high school, no, freshman year of college, I mean. And I had some injuries and you see the game

from a different perspective. You see the game differently when you're kind of on the sidelines watching and maybe not taking it for granted as much. And I'd expect that Kevin Winston that's something that he probably thought of when he's on the sideline with an ACL injury and his dream of being an NFL player is right in front of him, you know.

Yeah, I remember I had a when I played basketball in high school. We had an equipment manager. His name was Chad Dare. He's actually a writer now for the newspaper at my hometown in Moline. And I remember whenever we were being in a situation where we weren't playing well, or we were losing, or we even lost, he was so emotional about it. This was someone that wasn't even on the court. You know what I mean? This is someone that wasn't even on the court. You know what I mean? This is somebody that couldn't do what we were doing as players, but you could see his commitment and his investment emotionally into what we were doing.

It almost made you play harder because I'm saying, I'm saying myself, I have the ability, I'm blessed enough to be able to play this sport and play it at a high level. This kid isn't, but yet his commitment to what we're doing is almost more invested than we are because it matters to him. You know what I mean? So when it matters to you, which is what I'm taking from what you're saying, Julian,

when you care about what you're doing and you want to get out there and compete, especially when you have the ability and the talent to do it, it is frustrating when you can't maximize and when you can't take advantage of that opportunity. So you know, maybe he did see that. Hey, look, man, I'm already behind the eight ball. I gotta get caught up.

And when we were talking about Lorenzo, the reason for him stepping away was because he couldn't compete at that level. It's not like he didn't want to. It's like, man, it's just too much for me to get up, you know, nowadays to get this thing going. And even then I'm still not working at the level that I feel I need to, to be confidently able to compete against some guys that are going 100%.

We had a comment in here that from HasmanDS, I think that's how you pronounce it there, is that the rookie class feels very focused and mature for their age, love how invested they look so far. And I think that's certainly true right there. All right, on the other side of the break, we're going to talk about maybe some players that aren't getting enough love in camp, some unsung heroes so far. I know it's only for the first few days, but we can still talk about it here on the Titans squad show on the Lockdown Network.

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for camp so far. And Brad, I think it should be in your contract that you need to talk about the offensive line at least once an episode. And plus, we want to hear you talk about that kind of stuff. Last show you mentioned Kevin Zeitler, right? And how you mentioned he could be one of the big pickups of the off season, especially for the Titans given their needed offensive line. And they really prioritized that knowing they were going to pick cam board.

But I wanted to talk about Dan Moore, left tackle. They brought him in four years, 82 million. And I think at the time, a lot of Titans fans were talking about, man, that's wholly overpay, you know? But there is something in the NFL called a bad team tax. And at three and 14, sometimes that's the cost of doing business there in the NFL. But my argument to that would be you're not paying just for an offensive line over $80 million over the next four years. You are paying for an offensive lineman and to protect Cam Ward's backside, which is, in my opinion, priceless. As far as Dan Moore, what are you looking to see out of him in camp, especially as we get later and later and pads come on and we get closer to maybe

those preseason games and those joint practice. Yeah, consistency. You know, obviously you want to be balanced as a blocker. You want to be able to be as effective running the football as you are passing the football and it starts with guys like that up front. Five years of experience. He's seen some some difficulties. 2023 was probably his worst season,

but we did see him get incrementally better in 2024. I think that week 18 against the Bengals, the last game of last year was probably his worst game when you look at the PFF grades and whatnot. But for the most part, I think him being a starter in the National Football League, it says a lot, you know, because he's seen a lot, especially in that Steelers offense. And he's a fourth round pick. You know what I mean? Meaning fourth rounds, that's some value there. You know what I mean? So in 2021, the guy comes in, breaks into the league and has seen enough reps to qualify who he is as a player. And I think it's just he and Peter getting on the same page. Now, the thing is I have to mention the guys around him because as offensive lineman, you know this Julian, you can't do it by yourself.

Right. You're only as good as the unit. Yeah. You can have four dudes that are blocking their butts off, but if one guy breaks down and all of a sudden gives up pressure or whatever else, that's all it takes to blow a play up. So you've all got to be working in unison. I remember I had a coach Bob Bob Young, back in the day,

say, we all gotta perform like ballerinas. When you look at ballerinas, they're never out of sync. Right? They're always almost synchronized. You know? And that has to be the case. There has to be an unspoken language. There has to be consistency in where you're lining up,

recognizing the defensive fronts and what you're trying to accomplish in every single play. So I think that Dan and Peter understanding that unspoken language, them getting used to one another, being able to pass off stunts, being able to recognize blitz situations, being able to recognize, you know, all the things that a defense is going to try and do to break down that protection. The more reps that they have together, the better they'll be as a unit. So it does start with veterans like Dan, like Kevin that are leaders. Shoot, Kevin's been in the league

14 years. I mean, this guy's seen it and he was probably a part of one of the league's best offensive line units And another thing there, showed last year that he's a really good acquisition. So I would expect to see more of that with these three veterans added to this office one. And another thing there, Peter, this is going to be his third year in the league. Um, he talked about yesterday after practice, not going to set a goal for himself as a pro bowler, but he wants to get to that level. This, he, he's looking for a consistent left tackle next to him.

He hasn't had the same one in his first two years. And you're talking about Dan Moore with that four year contract. I think that is going to just add to the cohesion of the unit as you're talking about. How huge is that going to be? To having just the same guy next to you, knowing how they tick, how they work, how they play.

And just when you're talking about an offensive line, that's probably the position group on the field that needs to be in unison the most. Yeah. You know, I'm gonna say this. I thought for the future of it, that JC and Peter could be that left side for the next dozen years.

You know what I'm saying? And that could have been the case. I don't think that JC got moved to right tackle because he was inefficient at left. Right tackle was a problem. Right. And so what they did was they filled it with a guy that they started out playing left. Then they brought in a left tackle. You see what I'm saying? So I think that they filled the need at right tackle by having a guy that,

you know, sure, I know he was a rookie last year, but is now going into his second season with that much more experience and showed to get better every single every single game, basically, right? Maybe you tailed off a little bit at the end there. But you know, the season's already, you know, it's already with Michael, see, it's hard to keep focused. But you know, there's nothing you're playing for, you know, it's hard, but he'll be better for that. But I'm saying they solve the right tackle issues by moving somebody into that he's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy.

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Peter going into his third year. You got Dan going into his fifth year that those are two relatively young players that can play together. See, I have to think of it like that, Julian. I have to think of it like these guys are gonna play together forever because that's what makes an offensive line unit good. I said that Bruce Matthews and I played alongside each other for

how long? 10 years. That doesn't happen very often. No, but when you can keep that nucleus together, when you can keep that core together, the things that they're able to accomplish are because you have consistency of a marriage upfront. You see what I'm saying? And that's why I'm hoping that Dan Moore sticks around not only Pat these four years that he just signed for, but give him another bite.

You know what I'm saying? Just think about it. He'll he'll be under 10 years. Lyman don't really start getting going to the eight, 9, 10 years in the league, right? Right. So, you know, and Peter, the same thing, you know what I mean? Peter's contract will be up. His rookie deal will be done. I guarantee you they'll exercise that fifth year option and they'll get his butt back in here for a little bit more for another bite at that apple and uh they'll continue to to grow and be more successful as the years go by. We're

gonna hear from Dan Moore right now now talking about just that being kind of a foundational piece of the offensive line. Here we go. It's hard, bro. Like I said, that communication aspect is huge. So when you're constantly, when there's constantly turnover in that position, and you can't really gel next to someone each and every year, you know, it makes it tough, you know, having to bond with somebody each and every off season.

But I feel like me and Pete, we're getting on the same page and, you know, hopefully we can be a unit. See? Exactly. And I hadn't even heard that bite yet, you know? So, but it's the point he made is correct. I didn't even think about that like during the off season.

Yeah, yeah, bonding stuff. The team chemistry stuff that doesn't get shown out on the football field. Yeah, that's huge. On Thursdays linemen usually get together and go out for drinks and wings you know because Thursday is usually the last hard practice that

you're going to have Friday. Sure, it's a it's a practice, but it's it's more just to make sure that T's are crossed. Eyes are dotted. You know you understand exactly what you're going to have Friday. Sure. It's a, it's a practice, but it's, it's more just to make sure that T's are crossed. Eyes are dotted. You know, you understand exactly what you're going into Saturday is just a walk through before you travel. So Thursdays after that hard practice is done, you take a shower, you go in there and watch some film. It's like, Hey,

where are we going to grow up? Where are we going to build that bond? And that happens weekly, right? Even in the off season when these guys are understanding each other and they like being in each other's company. They're gonna go out on O'Hickory Lake together, right? They're gonna go downtown and maybe taking a concert together. They're gonna hang out and they're gonna be a unit not only on the football field but off the football field and it's that kind of relationship that allows them to

play better within each other. What's the over under on wings that a whole offensive line can put down, Brad? What should I set the over under to 200? Let's see, so you got five, dude. Well, hold on a second, you got tight ends that come in there too sometimes. And occasionally a running back. And now and then a good quarterback, he'll show up too. Yeah, you're getting bigger. They're bigger guys now these days. You know what I mean? Don't be fooled. These quarterbacks can eat, man. and then a good quarterback,

they're bigger guys now th eat man, they can put it for the lineman probably t swing by. So you might ea guys too that might swing by. So you might easily see a 300, 350 wing debacle. You know what I mean? Oh man. Just feathers flying everywhere. You know what I mean? That's an expensive skill. You talk about, I wanted to move on to one of the skill guys who's maybe not getting a lot of love. You know, a lot has been made about Xavier Strepo. We talked about

him on the last show and his relationship with Cam and he's become kind of a fan favorite. But Bryce Oliver is the other guy that's probably going to be fighting with Restrepo competing with him for maybe that last wide receiver spot might come down to those two guys. Oliver, you know, big on special teams as a gunner last year. He made it probably the best offensive play of the day yesterday, as I mentioned earlier in the show, Cam picked up a blitz and found Oliver and afterward, Bryce was like, I wasn't even supposed to do that on that play.

I was just being an athlete, being a football player. What do you think about Oliver and what he's provided at least from last season and how maybe building up to this, this season to earn himself a spot? Well, think about it. He got activated from the practice squad in November last year, you know, after being waved at camp and brought back to be on the practice squad all the way through week nine, I think it was, and he's been in Cali's system. I say Cali system and his culture is what it is. You see what I'm saying?

And he's immersed himself in that even in his second season. So he understands, you know, the responsibilities that Cali would like to have in a receiver. He gets to work with guys like Calvin and Tyler and players like that that can help his development. So players like that first off are good in special teams. You've got to have cover guys, you've got to have people that are gunners, you got to have people that will know that will help with you know the field position game

and then also in a rotation where you're trying to run you know sometimes three and four receiver sets and guys need to break. You're gonna get an opportunity to get on the field and make a play or two. As long as you got sticky hands when those opportunities come then you show your value and I think that that's what guys like Price are able to do. And obviously you mentioned former teammates of his, of Cam Ward's, that he gets to play with and have an understanding and a rapport with. Those are the type situations are an advantage. I mean, there's a reason why you see, you know, Kim going to players that he

recognizes from college because they're used to understanding each other. You know what I mean? So, you know, hopefully this is, you know, a type situation where these youngsters coming in, can one, take advantage of understanding exactly what the lay of the land is like for Bryce and for those rookies coming in. If you've already got a pre-existing relationship with a quarterback, that can't hurt. And we're going to hear from Bryce here right now after yesterday's practice. Here we go. I mean, honestly, it really doesn't matter, man. As long as I can contribute to the team, that's what I'm going to do, man.

Whether I'm catching the ball or whether I'm being a gunner, either way, like last year, I was able to do both. So wherever I'm able to contribute to the team, that's what I'm gonna do. And we talked about that last kind of wide receiver spot needing to do those things. I mean, Bryce, obviously, everyone talks about his special teams and obviously that's what he made an impact at last year, but he also wants to be known

as a pass catcher too. How do you kind of balance, you know, trying to make a spot and trying to put yourself in the best position, but also playing for your teammates and sacrificing what you need to do? Or do those things go kind of hand in hand? Yeah, that's the, the latter. I mean, you know, the consistency comes from being able to do both of those things.

You know, I mean, you know, I, I keep mentioning special teams because. Every skilled position player plays a special team because there's so many of them Special team coaches are probably the most unique coaches on the staff because they have a connection with everybody DB's receivers tight ends Lyman and protection on field goals and extra points that kind of stuff And they work with both sides of the football particularly because those players have to be on the field to give you an opportunity after third down.

Fourth down is their show, right? The beginning of a drive is their show. To start a series is their show. To start a quarter or a half is their show. So being able to rely on guys like Bryce that understand being a role player is just as important You know you then work your way into how about this? Derek Mason, you know one of the newly inducted Tennessee Sports Hall of Famers

He came to us with an unbelievable return game but really wasn't involved that much in the in the regular rotation as a receiver and He gave us great field position and I thought that it was almost for me personally, I thought shoot when he started starting as a receiver and was doing less with the special team, I was like, hey man, put that guy back out there on the return on the return stuff because he's given us the football well past the 50. You know, if he's not going to score touchdown and it's on his own, you know, so you know, sometimes you miss their availability when it comes to being,

you know, giving you a good field position, but you also understand that their goal is to get into the regular rotation and hopefully be a piece that's relied upon. And, you know, eventually I think Bryce, you know, if given an opportunity, whether it be injury or just performance, you know, get a chance to showcase your skills like that. And we're going to see how that plays out, especially in that crowded wide receiver room is on that back end there.

That's going to be one of the battles to watch in camp. We talked about that on our last show. You can check it out on our YouTube channel, Locked on Titans. After the break, we're going to talk about the upcoming week of practice. They still got the Nissan Stadium practice. That's going to be huge. And kind of our final thoughts as we head to the end of week one

into week two of Titan's training camp. Keep it here. All right now time for Nissan Stadium practice on Saturday. You know fans are going to be coming in. There were some fans that practiced this past week and family and friends and all of that stuff. But yes, it is an event for the fans. Be hot. But, you know, I think this is a good chance also for the guys to kind of get in the game routine. You know, you're going to the stadium, you're going to be playing and you're going to be using the locker room.

You're going to be going onto the field, doing warmups and your reps there. Um, on top of the fact that you're gonna have to communicate on both sides of the ball with a loud crowd around you. Depth perception maybe is a little bit different at your stadium as opposed to maybe the practice field over at St. Thomas. So how much stock are you putting into, though it's early and it is a fan first kind of event,

how much stock are you putting into a Saturday practice there at Nissan, the first time there of this a fan to sit in the suite and watch practice. Watch those guys do exactly what we did as players. I got my invite. I'm coming with my with my wife and my brother-in-law and we're gonna go watch this new iteration of the Titans from the suite. And you know, that's exciting. Exciting for us, you know, because obviously we were players that have been in those shoes and we want to see exactly how competitive this team is. But those guys that are down there on the football field, Julian, they know it's a different situation. It's not game time by any stretch. Okay, it is a dress rehearsal, though. Yes. Okay, so that dress rehearsal is going over to the stadium, you know, you'll probably, they'll probably bust them over, you know what I mean? And maybe bust them back to the practice facility, you know, unlike a game where you just kind of show up yourself and you, you know,

you pull up into the S parking lot and you, you wave to the fans as you're walking into the building and you know, shaking hands with security staff and all that other stuff, you know, but it's a, it's a more organized way for them to get familiar with the game time routine. They're gonna go into the locker room, you know, sit in their lockers, you know, it's gonna be a lot more people, you know, I mean, not everybody that's going over to practice tomorrow is gonna be there come week one in a regular season, but they'll at least understand the atmosphere.

They'll understand exactly what it feels like to look up, you know, in the clubhouse level and see all the people and the fans that are there to see exactly what this team looks like front and center. No pressure that Behop is in the crowd to the current players. I mean, he's going to be watching, especially you, Dan Moore here. You got to worry about me, man. Don't worry about me. the Tampa to those preseason games in Tampa and then go straight from there to Atlanta for those joint practices and Brian Callahan talked about how long they're going to be on the road and maybe that's not the most typical but that helps with team bonding and this includes the Nissan Stadium practice too. Includes team bonding, getting closer to maybe guys that you wouldn't have otherwise, the game day routine, whether it's at home or on the road, of course when you're on the road it's a little different because you'll go on the road, you'll

come back here to Nashville and then you go back on the road, but they're staying on the road for those two week period, 10 day period, whatever it is. How huge is this maybe from a perspective of getting ready for those joint practices down the line where you're going to be in a different environment? Yeah, I remember when we did joint practices against the Cow where you're going to be in a different environment? Yeah, I remember when we did joint practices against the Cowboys, when we did joint practices against the Chargers and Chiefs in training camp. You find out more about your team during the week of practice than you do during the preseason game itself.

Because those might be the most strenuous type situations to be in. And you need that kind of pressure to create diamonds. Because you are in a one-on-one situation with somebody whose jersey isn't yours, with somebody who's on the opposite team. And you're giving it more than you would be if you were going up against somebody that's in your locker room, right? You're, you're practicing harder. In essence, you're more focused because it's an uncommon opponent. It's not like when I'm going on doing nine on seven over at St. Thomas and you

know, something happens on the football field and whatever we're going to go and and talk about it in the building, you know, no, no, no, you won't see that guy again until tomorrow's practice and you hope to get better from what happened the day before. So it creates the most competitive environments when you're working against another team in practice, because practice then allows it to be more individualized and focused on. You know, these one or two players at a time versus the team doing whatever it does and all the things that happened during that. So I like the fact that they're going to be working in that type

environment so much this off season, which to me makes it more palatable to lose a preseason game, right? Because I don't need to see another preseason game more than I would like to see these teams practice against one another because that is the best type situation to see exactly what I have and to create a more competitive environment which will be more indicative of what my team is going to be trying

to accomplish in the regular season. So, I like it as far as what you're looking for when you go at the end of week one into week two of a training camp cam at least for his side of things, talked about timing and ball placement is everything. And I imagine that's just something that's just going to get better with time. I mean, the guy is just in his first off season,

second training camp practice, that's only going to get better as you go on in the training camp. But as long as the attitude and the confidence and the willingness to do it is there and to get better is there. I think that's the solid foundational first step. What are you looking for? And typically as a player, obviously former player from week one to week two, where do you think the biggest jumps need to be made? Well, to quote Ken Ward, he said everything revolves around timing,

in my opinion, that and ball placement, you know, that's very prophetic I think when you think about a guy that Understands he can't hold on to the football That that ultimately creates problems it creates sometimes you can bring more pressure on yourself because you don't know where you're going with the football That type of confusion is detrimental to an offense. So him understanding, Hey, look, I gotta go through this progression quickly. I gotta get the ball out of my hands and put it in the right place for these quarterbacks for these receivers to make a play on the ball and ultimately do

something with it after they catch it. That's super important. You know, so I think him recognizing that early on. I know you might see a lot of check down type stuff early on, but you'd rather have a check down in the sack You know look at Caleb Williams what Caleb Williams struggle with was what? Trying to make the big play develop by holding on to the football and creating more pressure for himself that he didn't need to have So they're already coaching him out there Ben Johnson's already coaching him out there say look this what we're gonna do You got that first read if they take it away from you snap to your second you second, you snap to your third. You get that ball out of your hands. And then that way, Peyton Manning made a living of it.

You couldn't sack Peyton Manning because first off, he did a three step drop, that ball was gone. And who Peyton was as a quarterback, that made receivers be where they're supposed to be. Because he wasn't scared about getting in your face and saying, hey, look, dude, I gotta get this thing out of my hands.

And if you're not where I need you to be, you're not gonna see this football. So run the right routes, be in the right place, catch the ball when I throw it to you, and then let's continue. So understanding your responsibilities, understanding that you cannot hold on to the football or that creates problems. That's what makes an offense more efficient. And I think the cams already got a good bead on just that. And the receivers and the blockers, all those people around him understand exactly

what they're trying to accomplish as well. And last year we saw Will Levis kind of not be okay with just the boring stuff. I feel like a lot of times he wanted to make that home run play and show off the big arm and all of that. Um, but it's okay to either throw the ball away or take a checkdown rather than make that first and 10 to make it second and 17. You know, second and eight is fine. You know what I mean? So we saw that last year and Cam kind of lives over the middle and to your point, they're not doing a lot of downfield work right now. Like they're keeping it pretty simple and that's probably natural for

the early parts of camp. But, but I think maybe who knows, maybe we'll see it at Nissan on Saturday with the fans and they'll kind of pander to them a little bit. Who knows? Oh, they want to get vertical. Yeah. They want to see the field stretched a little bit. They want to put the defense in situations where, Hey, you gotta be in

cover for your cover to pressing, you know, lion's scrimmage, you know, that type of stuff. They want to see what these guys look like in certain situations, but then that means that the offense lions to hold up for that play to develop. Right. If the receiver on a goal route doesn't have the opportunity to get 20 yards downfield because he's under pressure already, you know, the quarterback, I mean, then that's a problem. So they've got to be able to hold up. You know,

he's also got a disguise where he's going with the football. You know, I'm gonna be sitting there, stare down my receiver out there at the X and say, well, guess where I'm going with the football defense, you know, so they're going to try and create those wrinkles that are problematic for defense. So in that way, they can make their adjustments as well. Everybody gets better when you start seeing, you know, the play stretch just a little bit, but you still got to play within the nuances of the play. You look at that go-round out there that you'd love to hit and you see that that

safety is rolled over the top of him and he's double covered. That's not your guy. Right? Well, guess what? When that safety is rolled over, that means there's another part of the field that has a vacancy and whatever receiver, whether it's a slot, a tight end, maybe a back coming out of the backfield in the past game, that's gotta be the guy you're going to and you can make those, make those acknowledgments and adjustments sooner and get the ball out of your hands.

And Cam almost threw a second interception to Barton yesterday because he stared it down the whole way too, to your point. That was, that was a dropped interception that Barton actually was thinking about that more than the actual ball he picked off earlier in the practice. So certainly things to to keep an eye on as we

moving forward into camp last thing for you Brad most serious question of the day. How many wings are going to be in the player's suite the former player's suite on on Saturday. Oh man. You know they usually do a good job of feeding us. You know,

I'm kind of hoping instead of wings because it is uh earlier practice, the suite opens at 1030. I'd rather have some grits and eggs, man. You know what I mean? Some hash browns. Most important meal of the day. I don't know about that because

I usually fast. Oh, do you? Okay. Oh yeah. I don't usually eat till like one o'clock but um I like to have some breakfast food. You know what I mean? That gets my day started. I mean as far as like being in that environment, I love to have an egg sandwich while I'm watching these kids practice. Well, if you see B Hop, I mean you're one of our listeners and you see him out there at Nissan Stadium say hello. He's a nice guy. He doesn't bite hard so you can see him out there and we'll be out there covering all the stuff and we'll have it for you here in the Titans squad show next week I think that's a good place to end make

sure you get the Titans squad show and a Locked on Titans podcast with Tyler Rowland wherever you get your podcasts on audio we're also on YouTube live every Tuesday and Friday, at least tentatively right now. Love talking Titans with you and hearing you. Of course, make sure to keep those comments, like, subscribe, all that fun stuff. We may even read some comments during the show like we did earlier today,

and we'll hear from some players as well. But for now, I'm Julian Mininzone. That's Brad Hopkins. Thanks for listening, guys.