Lore - Episode 151: By the Book

Episode Date: September 14, 2020

For a very long time, people have believed that our world is filled with magic. Secret knowledge and hidden truths that we can use to unlock power and privilege. It’s a belief that’s taken all sha...pes and forms, but there’s one common thread tying it all together: books. —————————————— Lore Resources:  Grimoires, by Owen Davies, can be found here, Episode Music: lorepodcast.com/music  Episode Sources: lorepodcast.com/sources  Lore News: www.theworldoflore.com/now  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com Access premium content!: https://www.lorepodcast.com/support See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The killer had been waiting for the man to arrive. Abraham was a German immigrant in his mid-fifties, who tended to sleep wherever he found work. He was also a trained blacksmith and had been helping out in the shop owned by Peter Leis Jr. in the small town of Hyde Park, just north of Reading, Pennsylvania. On the 9th of June 8th of 1916, Abraham Thicke returned home around 9 p.m. after seeing some friends and walked through the shadows outside the blacksmith's shop on his way to the barn where he slept, and that's when a figure stepped out of the darkness and brought the handle of an axe down hard upon his head.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Abraham instantly collapsed. With his victim on the ground, the killer then turned his axe around and proceeded to bring the sharp blade down upon Abraham's neck. Over and over, the axe cut into his flesh and bone, until the only thing keeping the head attached were a few strands of skin. Had the killer then buried the body, he might have gotten away with it too. But he didn't. So, when the woman who lived across the street woke up the following morning and looked out
Starting point is 00:01:21 the window, Abraham Thicke's body was easy to spot. The police were called, and moments after arriving to investigate, they found the killer sitting calmly inside the blacksmith's shop and mumbling to himself about what he had done. It was the shop owner himself, Peter Leis. But the most terrifying aspect of his story isn't what he did or how he did it. It's why. According to newspaper accounts from that week, Peter had recently suffered a nervous breakdown and sought out the advice of a local man he referred to only as a charcoal burner.
Starting point is 00:01:56 Today we would know that man as a practitioner of pow-wow-ing, the type of folk magic common among German immigrants in Pennsylvania at the time. Apparently, this healer told Peter that Abraham Thicke had been plotting to murder him and then gave him a book to help guide his decisions and keep him safe. In the end, though, it seems that Peter found a solution on his own. The kill before he himself could be killed. When he was arrested, though, that book was found in his pocket, and in the coming weeks it would feature heavily in the news.
Starting point is 00:02:29 Eventually, Peter would avoid prison altogether, instead being sent to a local asylum because of insanity they claimed, caused by obsessively reading that book. And while it's hard to imagine one small object having that much of an impact on the mental state of a person, the story of Peter Leas highlights a belief that was all too common for centuries. Some books were more powerful than others. And when taken too far, the results could be deadly. I'm Aaron Mankey, and this is Lore.
Starting point is 00:03:14 It all started with writing. Today, most of us probably take it for granted, but thousands of years ago, the act of writing things down was revolutionary. Before, cultures had to pass their knowledge on through song and story, memorizing what they could, and hoping that nothing would be forgotten. But writing changed all of that. It allowed one generation to pass its collective knowledge on to the next. All of a sudden, humans went from guarding what little they knew, to using the writings
Starting point is 00:03:57 of the past to learn and then grow beyond. Yes, they are just little characters on the page, but writing is so much more than that. It was our roadmap out of the past. But almost as soon as knowledge began to be compiled and saved, some people began to use that method for documenting something less mainstream than philosophy, theology, or history. They began to write about magic. In fact, according to Pliny the Elder, who wrote during the middle of the first century,
Starting point is 00:04:27 the first person to have written down magic was a Persian astrologer named Austhanes. And Austhanes was special for a big reason. He accompanied the Persian King Xerxes the Great on his mission to conquer the Greek world. And while Persia lost that war, something that you can see fictional glimpses of in the hit film 300, the trip allowed Austhanes to spread his magical writings to a whole new region of the world. For many cultures, the very act of writing was considered magic.
Starting point is 00:04:58 Among the Toba Batak people of northern Indonesia, their books of magic are known as Pushdaha. They are these amazing documents that can sometimes be up to 50 feet long before being folded accordion style and bound inside a cover. And they were only created by priests using sacred ink because it was the act of making them that made them powerful. On the other end of the spectrum, though, many books have been considered magical not for their contents, but for their appearance. Despite everyone being taught not to judge a book by its cover, countless books through
Starting point is 00:05:31 history have been considered powerful because they are large or bound in leather or have gilded edges. All of these books, though, fall into a category that most people have heard of, but very few understand. They are grimoires, books of knowledge and instruction centered around the magical arts. Grimoires aren't magical in and of themselves, but they are said to contain charms, instructions and recipes for making things that provide supernatural help to desperate people. And it's also important to point out that while we don't exactly know where the term
Starting point is 00:06:05 grimoire comes from, most scholars believe it's related to a French word for books written in Latin. And that's a big clue about the perception around these books. In a world where most people couldn't understand a single bit of Latin writing, flipping through them must have felt like exploring the notebook of a magician. Grimoires contain the same sort of information, too. They were a how-to guide for crafting charms that could protect the user, or help them achieve some of their more basic cravings, like sex, money, power, and finding objects
Starting point is 00:06:38 they had lost but wanted back. They weren't books of spells in the Harry Potter sense, but more of a household reference guide for when life got difficult, which was just about every day for most people back then. It's also worth mentioning that during the centuries spanning the Middle Ages and the early modern period, most people couldn't even read these books, and the few who could were often clergy thanks to the Catholic Church's reliance on Latin. So in the hands of the uneducated, a grimoire was more of a talisman.
Starting point is 00:07:09 It represented magic simply by existing. Historian Owen Davies, hands down one of the world's leading experts on the history of Grimoires, illustrates this with a small but powerful anecdote. For roughly a thousand years, an illuminated copy of the Christian Gospels was kept safely inside an abbey in Duro, a town in central Ireland. But in the 17th century, the abbey was shut down, and the manuscript, known today as the Book of Duro, fell into private hands. And it was sometime after that when the book was taken out of storage and literally dunked
Starting point is 00:07:43 in water. Why? Because local farmers were desperate to cure their sick cows, and they believed that the water would gain magical powers from contact with the Holy Book. As time went on, though, grimoires became more and more associated with the occult world. So much so that the clergy who owned them found themselves at risk. During the various inquisitions of the time, a common charge was possession of books on black magic, and untold thousands of grimoires were burned or destroyed in the hunt for heresy.
Starting point is 00:08:16 But that association between grimoires and clergy had another side effect. Thanks to the growing public awareness of these little instructional books, it became more and more important to justify their authority to put a stamp of approval on them so that anyone, even those who couldn't read them, might understand just how significant they were. These books were powerful because of the legendary people who wrote them. Like so many things, a lot of this can be traced back to Egypt. While magical writings were common all throughout the ancient world, it was the Hellenistic
Starting point is 00:09:04 period when Egypt fell under the rule of the Greeks that those activities really took off. Because when the Egyptian priests began to speak and write in Greek, that meant a whole new world of magic had just opened up to the rest of the Greek world. For most grimoires, it all came down to packaging. And what better way to make one collection of magical writings stand out above all the others than by giving it a false origin story that sampled those ancient roots? If a good percentage of people out there couldn't read what was inside them, why not claim
Starting point is 00:09:35 that these books were written by legendary figures from the past? First on that list was Moses, the Jewish prophet who led his people out of Egypt. In a lot of minds, Moses was a powerful magician. Just looking at the details of his story makes it easy to see why, splitting the waters of the Red Sea, turning his staff into a snake, and communicating with God through a burning bush. All of it smacked of magic. So naturally, a number of grimoires took on his name.
Starting point is 00:10:04 And there were a lot of them, too. The key of Moses, the secret moon book of Moses, the archangelical teaching of Moses. You get the idea. But the most common one was called the sixth and seventh books of Moses. Obviously, it wasn't written by him, but that didn't matter to most people. And this book was wildly popular. One group of people that revered it were the German hex doctors of Pennsylvania. Remember the story of Peter Leos from the beginning of this episode?
Starting point is 00:10:34 That book that was given to him by the charcoal burner was the sixth and seventh book of Moses. And a quick search of newspapers throughout the region in the late 1800s will net you hundreds of mentions of the book. People using it. People selling it. Honestly, it was everywhere. What did the book contain that made it so popular? While besides the name of Moses on the front, it was viewed by many as a guide for finding
Starting point is 00:10:58 lost objects, misplaced money, hidden treasure, and precious metals. If you wanted to find it, this grimoire was the most trusted how-to guide out there. Those who used it, though, claimed it was filled with power. Historian Owen Davies tells the story of one Pennsylvanian hex doctor who described reading it out loud for the first time. The man claimed that as he did so, his home filled with a flood of voices shouting his name as if a host of people beyond the veil were calling out to him. When he closed it, though, the voices stopped.
Starting point is 00:11:32 But Moses wasn't the only person worthy of having his name on the front of a grimoire. For a lot of people over the centuries, if you were to repurpose one figure to represent wisdom and power, it would be the biblical King Solomon. The irony is that nowhere in the Bible is he portrayed as a magician. But honestly, when has irony ever stopped gullible people from swallowing a lie? What Solomon did have going for him was the rumor that he had written thousands of books. So when grimoires began to appear with his name on them, it seemed to many as if those lost books had been found.
Starting point is 00:12:06 What they contained, though, were entire fantasies designed to catch the eyes of people hungry for more magic. The Testament of Solomon, for example, was a manuscript that told the story of how demons bothered the workmen building the temple in Jerusalem. In its pages were diagrams and drawings that claimed to show exactly how Solomon defeated those demons. To a medieval reader, this book was a powerful tool, because now they could control the forces of darkness as well.
Starting point is 00:12:34 The most popular book associated with him was known as the Clavicula Salomonas, or the Key of Solomon. It dates to about the 15th century and has more instructional material regarding spirits, how to bind them, how to summon them, or even to control them. It also has a healthy dose of help for those seeking to get rich or expand their love life. Naturally, texts like that proved immensely popular. There were others over the centuries as well. A number of books were attributed to a man named St. Cyprian of Antioch, which detailed
Starting point is 00:13:06 his magical education in Egypt before converting to Christianity. To this day, some people in Armenia still wear scrolls of Cyprian as charms around their necks, while others still recite prayers in his name. And then there is the Picatrix, which, despite how it sounds, is not a Pokemon character. Thought to have originated in Spain in the 11th century, the Picatrix was written by an Arabic scholar. After the book was translated into Latin a century later, its popularity exploded. And it's easy to see why.
Starting point is 00:13:39 The Picatrix was essentially a how-to guide for making talismans, physical charms that people would wear that were thought to have magical powers. But it also mixed in a healthy dose of astrology, astronomy, mathematics, and alchemy, which illustrates something else that's important to point out. To many people, there was no wall separating magic and science. Yes, clergy were often viewed as possible magicians because of their familiarity with languages like Hebrew, Latin, and Greek, languages that looked to most people like occult symbols. But during the Middle Ages, those assumptions carried over to scientists as well.
Starting point is 00:14:19 Because of that, one man's name has become more connected than most to the world of magical writing. And if the stories are true, there's a good reason why. His name was Michael Scott. No, I'm not about to pitch you my office reunion script. That was his real name. He was born in Scotland sometime around 1175 and then traveled abroad for work and study. So it makes sense that the world would come to know him as Michael the Scott, or just
Starting point is 00:15:01 plain old Michael Scott. Scholars have made guesses for years about where Scott was educated. Some say Oxford, while others believe it might have been Durham. But in the end, these are all just theories. All we can say for sure is that he received an education that gave him the skills to read and write Latin, opening up the worlds of philosophy and science to him. And that's about all we know about his roots. The first time he actually shows up in the public record is in Spain in the year 1217,
Starting point is 00:15:31 when he completed his translation of an Arabic book on astronomy known in English as On the Sphere by Al Petragios. It's also during his time in Spain that he said to have made a prediction about his own death. Supposedly, a tiny stone would fall from the sky and strike him on the head, prompting him to have a metal cap made, something he was said to wear every day after that. He then pops up in Italy in 1220, going on record, of all things, to settle a mathematical dispute between two neighbors.
Starting point is 00:16:01 After that, more movement. A few years later, we find him connected to Pope Anarius III, which eventually led to a few church jobs back in England. But in 1227, he was back in Italy, and this time his powerful friend would be of the more worldly kind. The Holy Roman Emperor, Frederick II. Now, Frederick was an interesting guy. Despite the title of Holy Roman Emperor, he was publicly not a Christian.
Starting point is 00:16:27 It was a position that earned him a reputation as an evil man, and that attracted all sorts of scandal and rumors, and fueling those flames was one clear fact. Frederick was a man of science. For example, Frederick actually brought Egyptian scholars to Italy to help him develop a way to incubate ostrich eggs using the heat of the sun, and he not only employed Michael Scott as his court astrologer, but also Leonardo Fibonacci, the famed mathematician who is responsible for just about every challenging math course you ever took in school. Frederick's court was a court of science, and in a time when science and magic occupy
Starting point is 00:17:04 the same mental space for most people, that got the general public whispering. And it didn't help that Scott had trained in a place that was practically synonymous with magic. The Spanish City of Toledo Toledo in the 12th century, for lack of a better analogy, was Hogwarts. Historian Owen Davies says it best. Clergy men seeking instruction found the liberal arts in Paris, the law in Bologna, medicine in Salerno, and demons in Toledo.
Starting point is 00:17:33 The city and sorcery were so intertwined in people's minds that, for a very long time, a common term for magic itself was Cientia Toletana, the knowledge of Toledo. And in a lot of ways, this was Michael Scott's alma mater. He might not have begun his formal education there, but it was certainly where he built his reputation. Thanks to the overlap of Arabic and European cultures, he was exposed to all sorts of fields of study that caused rumors, and it's easy to see why. If he had learned about things like astrology and natural philosophy, then surely he had
Starting point is 00:18:09 also studied necromancy and demonology, right? The stories we have about Scott from his time in the Court of Emperor Frederick II are dripping with magic. One tale explains that he had a passion for throwing elaborate dinner parties. It's said that he would frequently invite friends over for a meal, but when they arrived, they would discover that no one was busy in the kitchen, leaving them to wonder where their meal would come from. That's when Scott would lead them into the dining room, where exotic dishes would all
Starting point is 00:18:38 be waiting for them on the table. One by one, he would point to a dish and explain where it came from. This one was from Paris, and this one here was from London, hinting that all of them had somehow been magically transported from those tables to his own. In another story, Scott hosted a large gathering on a hot, humid day, and the emperor himself was there. Looking for relief, Frederick was said to have asked Scott if he could do something to cool everyone off.
Starting point is 00:19:07 In response, the magician was said to have summoned a fierce rainstorm, which blew in suddenly, dropping the temperature, and then vanished almost as quickly as it had arrived. Many of the legends that we have about Scott are centered around a grimoire that he carried with him, entitled The Book of Might. With the incantations it contained, he was able to summon familiars to help him perform tasks. Once, upon being told to go to France and ask them to put an end to French piracy, he was said to have used the book to call up a demonic black horse, which carried him off
Starting point is 00:19:39 into the sky. In the end, Scott is a frustrating character. He clearly existed, but so much of his life is still a mystery to us today. What we do know, though, is that he lived on that blurry line between science and magic, and left a trail of amazing stories in his wake. Stories that hinted at the dark reputation and legendary power of grimoires. We do know one more thing about him, though. When he died, one of the benefits of working in the court of the Holy Roman Emperor meant
Starting point is 00:20:13 that there were a lot of other educated people around. In 1236, the court poet Henry of Avronche recorded in one of his poems that Scott had recently passed away, and he makes sure we know who he is talking about by describing Scott as someone who revealed hidden secrets through the use of numbers and stars. But the most surprising thing about his death isn't that it was recorded, but how it happened in the first place. It's said that Scott was a pious man, but arrived to church one day just as the bell was being rung.
Starting point is 00:20:44 Maybe he felt guilty for his late arrival, or perhaps it was something he did every time he attended, but he removed his cap as he entered the church. His metal cap. And that's the moment when the rope from the bell ringer brushed against a loose bit of masonry, knocking it free from the tower above. It might have been small, no bigger than a man's fist, but a fall from such a great height gave that tiny stone a chance to attain a lethal velocity. The stone landed directly on his bare head, killing him instantly.
Starting point is 00:21:17 Only as he had predicted years before. Knowledge is power. I know it's a phrase we've all heard once or twice in our lives, but it's often more true than we realize. The more we know, the more possibilities open up to us. And everyone wants to grow beyond the life they're living in some way, shape, or form. At the heart of the world of grimoires is the notion of unattainable knowledge buried within secrecy.
Starting point is 00:21:58 I know it sounds like a convenient argument, but for a really long time the very fact that people could not understand these books was what convinced them that they were powerful and valuable. Surely, something so mysterious and esoteric must be hiding life-changing secrets. All you need to do is read the Da Vinci Code to get a crash course in all of that. The written word, some say, can be a hiding place for secret knowledge, and anyone clever enough to tease it out might be able to rise above the rest. It's an attitude that hints at recognition of our human limitations, and our deep desire
Starting point is 00:22:36 to gather tools that might ward off the most dangerous types of threats against us. But with secret knowledge also comes fear. People have wondered for centuries exactly what might go wrong if someone played with the Pandora's Box of Magical Writing. Book burnings, inquisitions, and social pressure have all been used to suppress interest in these books. After all, you can't believe something like that is dangerous. But also believing it's true.
Starting point is 00:23:07 But in doing so, they've missed something important. Grimoires were the sort of books that attracted lovers of learning across all areas of science and philosophy, and the sort of mental gymnastics and high-level translation work that was required to read them ended up equipping brilliant people with the tools to push society forward. And Michael Scott was one of them. The works of Aristotle are a great example. His surviving works span a wide assortment of topics from politics and philosophy to physics and ethical studies.
Starting point is 00:23:40 And if it wasn't for Michael Scott's translation of Aristotle's writings, medieval Europe wouldn't have had one of its cornerstones of knowledge. The irony is, after many long centuries, it was Scott's own writings that were in danger of vanishing forever. As recently as the 1930s, it had become almost impossible to read all of his work in one place. In fact, it was a common complaint among scholars of medieval history that someone should take the time to gather the few manuscripts that still existed and compile them into a new
Starting point is 00:24:12 critical edition. So a German scholar took up that challenge. His name was Hans Meyer, and he gathered most of the remaining Scott manuscripts into his workspace to begin building that master edition. The writings of one of the most famous and infamous medieval scientists and magicians would finally have their chance to shine. The trouble was, Meyer had left Germany for the safety of London to do his work. Safety, because Germany had fallen under the spell of a Nazi dictator and war had broken
Starting point is 00:24:43 out all across Europe. As far as Meyer was concerned, London was far enough away to stay out of danger. But he couldn't have been more wrong. In 1940, Nazi Germany began the Blitz, a bombing campaign against the United Kingdom. German bombers dropped their deadly cargo on cities and targets all across the country in hopes of destroying key military assets and the British morale. But there was one other casualty in all of that. Michael Scott
Starting point is 00:25:13 You see, in 1941, a bomb landed on the house that Hans Meyer was living and working in, killing the scholar, and destroying everything inside. Every single Scott manuscript that he had with him at the time was lost, including his own translations of those valuable documents. When his house was searched for survivors, all that was found were a couple of torn pages scattered on the floor. Of course, the search and rescue team didn't know what they were, and so they simply walked through the papers, leaving a shoe print on them as if they were nothing more than trash.
Starting point is 00:25:48 In the end, that's the double-edged sword of the written word. Yes, it has allowed those who came before us to record all they know and believe, which could be handed down to the next generations. But it also puts that knowledge in a precarious situation, whether it's recorded on stone, paper, or the latest in digital technology. Nothing is ever permanent. And once it's lost, it's gone forever. Michael Scott certainly provides a unique glimpse into the world of grimoires, but he's far
Starting point is 00:26:37 from the only one. Throughout the ages, countless colorful figures harnessed the power of those mysterious tomes, and in the process left their own indelible mark on the pages of history. And if you stick around after this brief sponsor break, I'll tell you one more tale of magic in Mayhem. She was a gold digger. I mean that in the most literal sense possible, though. She actually led a team of men who dug for gold, but there was so much more to Hannah
Starting point is 00:27:25 Heatherley than just that. Hannah lived in the little village of Littitz in central Pennsylvania toward the end of the 19th century. She was known as a healer and a wise woman, and folks traveled from far and wide to seek out her services. It might be something as frightening as a sick child, or as benign as a lost wallet. But no matter what the people needed, they believed that Hannah Heatherley could help them with it.
Starting point is 00:27:52 Hannah was a known practitioner of pow-wowing, that old Pennsylvania-Dutch mixture of folk magic, religion, and homebrewed medicine. So it made sense for her to treat people with physical ailments. She was known to treat patients with epilepsy, nervousness, depression, and even St. Anthony's dance, a type of involuntary movement disorder. One newspaper article from March of 1979 described the essence of pow-wowing like this. It consists of blowing the breath over a wound or sore, and repeating a mysteriously worded appeal or prayer.
Starting point is 00:28:26 And these prayers were found inside one of the more recent additions to the list of grimoires, a book called The Long Lost Friend. For practitioners of pow-wowing, it was a required tool, and they rarely went anywhere without it. It was a small book, easily stuffed into a pocket or purse, and in the world of those who believed in that particular bent of folk magic, it was practically on par with the Bible. Hannah lived about four miles outside the village, in a small log cabin just off the
Starting point is 00:28:54 muddy road. Behind the tiny house was a small hill covered in boulders and trees, and often the side yard was a kennel where she was said to keep a pair of large black dogs. Then roaming all over the property, of course, were a few black cats. I guess my point is this, if ever there was someone perfectly set up to look like a witch, Hannah heatherly was it. Sometime in the winter of 1878-1879, Hannah claimed to have a number of odd dreams. In one of them, she was pulled from her bed by some powerful invisible force and carried
Starting point is 00:29:28 to a nearby mill. Once there, a voice cried out, dig here, and you will find money that was once stolen and then hidden away in secret. The following night, the dream happened again. Hannah tested the signs by performing rituals that might help her, and each time she claimed that the evidence pointed toward gold. So she told a handful of her regular customers about the dreams, and a few of them offered to help.
Starting point is 00:29:53 According to her, most of them were sons of wealthy local tobacco farmers, most likely looking for a way to become as rich as their parents, without the years of hard work, of course. So Hannah drew up a list of 24 locations where she believed gold had been buried, and then went to retrieve a special charm book that she kept hidden away. It was an old book, written in German, that she had inherited from her grandfather, and to keep it safe she tended to wrap it in oiled leather and bury it beneath her ash heap. It was described by one witness as filled with text in red and black inks, red for the
Starting point is 00:30:27 blood of good spirits, and black for those of bad, and it was filled with all sorts of charms and prescriptions. It was called the Sixth and Seventh Book of Moses. Their expeditions worked something like this. Hannah would lead a team of diggers to a particular location, and the ritual would begin. No one was allowed to utter a word, and digging would carry on for hours in utter silence, lest the spell be broken. They would dig a hole in the earth six feet in diameter and six feet deep, and then Hannah
Starting point is 00:30:59 would climb down inside it. Then she would place a special piece of parchment on the dirt at the bottom, all covered in weird occult symbols and diagrams, and then pull a device out of her back called an earth glass. It was supposed to allow her to see the treasure beneath the ground, and as long as they remained silent and did everything right, that treasure would slowly rise up toward them. Once the diggers claimed that they all saw exactly that begin to happen, a large iron chest slowly emerged from the ground, like a whale surfacing for air, but the sight of
Starting point is 00:31:32 it was almost too amazing to believe, and one of the workers muttered an exclamation out loud. Instantly, the chest began to sink back down, and despite a number of them scrambling to catch it, it slipped away. For weeks upon weeks, Hannah led her team of followers all around the region, almost always at night, digging for buried treasure. Houndless newspaper articles were published of their adventures, and a handful of reporters even showed up on her doorstep to ask her all about it, but as far as the historical record
Starting point is 00:32:04 tells us, they never found a single thing. This treasure hunt does teach us something powerful about hidden secrets and forbidden knowledge, though. We might not always be able to find what we're looking for, but we'll never know unless we dig. This episode of Lore was written and produced by me, Aaron Mankey, with research by Sam Alberti and music by Chad Lawson. From time to time, my researchers will find a book that provides a deep well for a particular
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