Lore - Episode 176: Rooted

Episode Date: August 2, 2021

In all the folktales about the forest, we are warned to not set foot inside, lest the darkness and dangers that live there seek us out and harm us. But there are other stories that describe a much mor...e sinister outcome, and throughout history they have proven themselves true. ———————— This episode of Lore was sponsored by: BetterHelp: Join over a million other people taking charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced BetterHelp counselor. Visit BetterHelp.com/LORE10 today and use offer code LORE10 for 10% off your first month. HelloFresh: Save time and frustration, and get delicious, healthy, honest meals delivered straight to your door, with all the instructions and ingredients prepped and ready to go. So go today to HelloFresh.com/14lore and use code 14LORE for 14 free meals, including free shipping! Stamps.com: Print your own postage and shipping labels from your home or office. Start your 4-week trial today, which includes free postage, a digital scale, and zero commitment. Just visit Stamps.com, click on the microphone in the top-right of the homepage, and type LORE. ———————— Lore Resources:  Episode Music: lorepodcast.com/music  Episode Sources: lorepodcast.com/sources  All the shows from Grim & Mild: www.grimandmild.com Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com Access premium content!: https://www.lorepodcast.com/support See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Have you ever noticed just how many holidays there are? Not just the major ones, but all the smaller annual celebrations that seem to fill up the year. I'm not complaining, per se, but it does seem like there are more of them than there were in my childhood, and it's honestly hard to keep them all straight. But before we go and assume that this is a problem unique to our modern culture, let me point out how history has a way of repeating itself. Because if you were to climb into a time machine, zip back to 1st century Rome, and ask around,
Starting point is 00:00:47 you might discover the same sort of confusion. Take for example, the Festival of Lucaria. It took place around the 20th of July each year, at a specific location on a wooded hill just outside of the city. But who the festival was meant to honor, and why, are answers that are lost to history. And even the Romans weren't too sure. But modern historians have been trying to put the pieces of the puzzle back together, and they're closer to the full picture.
Starting point is 00:01:15 It seems that deeper in Rome's past, it was believed that people shouldn't just clear a forest for farming without first asking permission. During about 2200 years ago, Roman historian Cato described how it was important to sacrifice a pig inside the woods, and then pray to whatever spirit ruled over that place. In doing so, they sort of bought the rights to develop the land. Over time, that occasional tradition turned into an annual festival. But hidden inside this ritual was a darker notion. That the spirits of the forest might not approve of having their home destroyed, and that they
Starting point is 00:01:52 had the power to protect that kingdom. In other words, the woods were not a safe place, and to trespass there was to invite suffering into one's life. The idea wasn't unique back then or even today. Around the world, countless cultures have viewed the forest as a place of darkness and danger. From the foot of Mount Fuji to the depths of Germany, people all throughout history have looked at the shadows between the trees as the home of something to be avoided at all cost.
Starting point is 00:02:22 The woods have always been a place that demand respect. Whether the true danger comes from ancient forest deities, or the inherent risk of entering the wilderness unprepared, the best course of action might just be to never step foot inside at all. Because if we do, we might not come back out. I'm Aaron Mankey, and this is Lore. There's something special about the forest. I have crystal clear memories of exploring the woods around my home as a child, and even
Starting point is 00:03:08 though I've grown up and learned a lot about the world around me, those memories are still filled with magic. In a lot of ways, stepping inside those trees felt like entering a whole other world. And it would be safe to assume that it's always been like that. Cultures around the world have treated the woods like sacred ground and filled its darkness with all sorts of stories, along with creatures and traditions to keep in mind. They have been seen as a place of rest and solitude, and of magic and wonder, but with danger and mystery always lurking not far behind.
Starting point is 00:03:42 One of the primary ways that cultures around the world have processed this instinctive respect is by connecting the forest to their religious beliefs. The forest has served as a sort of liminal space, one that sits between heaven and earth, and a great example is found in the sacred texts of India. According to Hindu mythology, there is a great cosmic forest, and at the center of it is the mighty tree known as jambu. On this tree grows an immortal golden fruit as large as an elephant, and from this fruit a divine ambrosia is crafted by the physician of the gods.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Beyond that, the woods feature heavily in the life of students of the Hindu scriptures. Each student can choose from one of four orders to shape their future around, and those that pick the way of the hermit end up making the forest a part of their very essence. They live in the woods, draw everything they need from it, and never return to the outside world. In fact, this was said to be the very path taken by the Buddha. In Christianity, there are many connections to the forest. The Garden of Eden, for example, is a woodland paradise where heaven and earth seemed to
Starting point is 00:04:47 melt together. It was said to be filled with trees, most famously the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but it was also a place of danger where Adam and Eve encountered the serpent and were ultimately expelled. Far to the north, the old Norse religions also held the forest in high esteem. The most obvious example would be the world tree, Yggdrasil, which was believed to stand at the center of the universe. Beneath its roots are the three worlds of hell, humans, and the frost giants.
Starting point is 00:05:17 But the woods have done more than simply act as a setting for stories. Throughout history, cultures have viewed the forest as a place for testing and opportunity. We can even find this in the world's oldest written story, The Epic of Gilgamesh. In it, we learn about the sacred forest of Cedar, far beyond the world of humans. And it's to this forest that Gilgamesh travels in order to prove himself by defeating the legendary ogre Humbaba. The hero's friend and companion, Inkidu, tries to warn him off, telling him how dangerous the woods can be, but Gilgamesh refuses to be swayed.
Starting point is 00:05:52 In the end, he succeeds, returning from his test in the woods as a hero known for his courage. Now, that's all well and good, but you and I might connect better with stories recorded by the Grimm brothers. Just stop and think about how many of them feature the forest in some way. The tales of Hansel and Gretel, Little Red Riding Hood, Sleeping Beauty, and so many others all depend heavily on the dangers of the woods. An interesting theme in many of the Grimm brothers' stories is that the forest is never
Starting point is 00:06:20 an enchanted space, but it's a place where enchantment might take place. It acts like a location separated from normal social practices, and stepping inside can help a person alter their life's path. For good, or for bad. But perhaps one of the most widely known stories with the forest at its core are the tales that make up the Arthurian legends. Now, most people have heard of King Arthur, and the key elements of the story are just as famous.
Starting point is 00:06:49 The Grail, the Knights of the Round Table, Merlin, the Lady of the Lake, and the Sword Excalibur. But the nuances of those stories are less well-known. For example, one location that features heavily in many of the stories is the Forest of Bresselion, it's said to be the place where Merlin encountered Vivian, the Lady of the Lake, and fell in love with her. She was said to have imprisoned him there as well, entombed beneath a large stone. The forest is also the place where the most famous of Arthur's knights, Lancelot, was
Starting point is 00:07:18 said to have been raised. According to early versions of the legends, Lancelot was taken from his mother as a baby by a beautiful woman. She was said to have plunged into a lake with him, inside which was an entire forest, where he was raised and trained to be the great knights that all the stories describe him as. But above all the forest-related stories in the Arthurian legend, few are as terrifying as the dangerous creatures known as the Corrigan. They were said to resemble beautiful young women, and would appear to travelers passing
Starting point is 00:07:49 through the woods, usually beside fresh water springs or rivers. But with the Corrigan, all was not as it seemed. She was said to have the power to capture the hearts of even the bravest and most noble of men. And once they fell in love with her, they were forever bound to the forest, never seen again. In other stories, Corrigan lures brave men to the illusion of a great castle. These knights would enter and find her inside, and then fall in love. When morning arrived though, the castle would be gone, and Corrigan would have transformed
Starting point is 00:08:20 into an old hag. The stories of Corrigan serve as a warning to travelers. Enter the forest at your own peril, they seem to say, or else you might be tempted by a magical being and never allowed to leave. Corrigan is a literary figure that speaks to the danger of the forest and to the risks one takes upon entering. But amazingly, she is not the only one. Few places can be as dangerous as the forest.
Starting point is 00:09:08 Between the wild animals, deadly plants, and difficult terrain, making your way through the woods can be a journey filled with risk. And then when you consider just how easy it is to confuse one tree with another, it becomes clear how people can step inside and lose their way. The forest can be confusing, and even today in our modern world, hundreds of hikers get lost each year because they assume it's just a walk. In Scandinavian folklore, there are countless warnings to help people avoid that danger. The forest was frequently referred to with names like dark wood or murky wood, and children
Starting point is 00:09:43 were often warned not to step into the woods alone. But right at the edge of all that folklore are stories of something more sinister. The Skogsroa. Think of the Skogsroa as a supernatural forest creature who has always lived in the forests of Northern Europe. It's a belief that predates the presence of Christianity in those cultures, hinting back to a much older time. And the purpose of the Skogsroa is quite simple, to prevent those who have entered the woods
Starting point is 00:10:10 from ever leaving again. One of the most frightening descriptions of the Skogsroa is that she looks like a beautiful young woman from the front, but from behind she is a rotted log or a hollowed out tree. But the folklore makes it clear that they can shape shift to whatever form they want, such as animals or even rocks or tree stumps, all in an effort to capture travelers when they least expect it. For powers, go beyond that though. The Skogsroa was said to be able to alter the environment to look different.
Starting point is 00:10:40 We can hide trails or create fake ones. Think of her as a sort of master of the maze, and every time a traveler stepped into her domain, she would be there to confuse and trap them, laughing all the while in her high, shrill voice. About a century ago, a man named Albert Erickson spoke with a folklorist who was recording stories about the Skogsroa and shared an experience from earlier in his life. The man recalled an evening when he needed to step outside and check on his charcoal kiln, which was located down by the lake, so he set out sometime after sunset.
Starting point is 00:11:13 But although he was incredibly familiar with the area, he soon got lost. He couldn't shake the feeling that he was walking in circles, and from roughly 8pm until 2 in the morning, that's all he was able to do. And that's when he realized that he was dealing with a Skogsroa. Folklore had a solution though. He stopped and took off his coat, rolled it up and then put it on the roots of a nearby tree. He laid down, rested his head on the coat, and closed his eyes.
Starting point is 00:11:41 After a few minutes, he stood back up, and the way home was clearly visible for the first time in hours. Far to the west, across the North Sea, this folklore about creatures in the forest who refuse to let you leave had deep roots of its own. All across the British Isles, there were stories of the fairy folk. Although, let me be upfront here. Fairy folklore is like a cut gem. Every time you turn it, you see a new facet, a new spin on the old tales.
Starting point is 00:12:09 Every culture and kingdom seem to have their own unique lore. So what I cover today is just one slice of a much larger pie. English folklore had this fantastic term for someone who got lost in the woods. They called them pixie-led, suggesting that travelers who got lost only did so because they trespassed into fairy lands, and getting lost was the price they had to pay. In other stories, those travelers might get lost on their own, but the only way they can leave the forest is if the fairies help by revealing the way home. Which has given way to a term I can't help but love.
Starting point is 00:12:43 The stray sod. It's a phrase that refers to a ground or path that fairies have enchanted, causing trespassers to lose their way. Like a lot of folklore, there is absolutely no proof connecting the disorientation to actual fairies. But it happened so frequently that people all across the British Isles just sort of assumed the connection was there. After all, why else would people become lost?
Starting point is 00:13:07 And there's a powerful story from about a century ago that documents just how real this belief truly was. In June of 1916, the rector of a parish church in Ireland, a man named Reverend Harris, received word that one of his parishioners needed him. Now, Harris had lived in County Letram for many years, and he knew the landscape well. The trip that he was about to take was seven miles by road, but it was a winding road, and considering how late in the evening he was setting out, he knew he wanted to trim that distance a bit, and he knew how to do that.
Starting point is 00:13:40 A shortcut. A little less than a mile down the road was a large clearing that some referred to as seven acre field. It was this large, contained area of grass, surrounded on all sides by one continuous tall hedge and a deep ditch inside, with an ancient thorn tree standing tall in the center. And if he passed through this field, he could cut over half of his travel time, which was a significant incentive. So when he arrived at the field, Reverend Harris swung open the wooden gate and stepped inside.
Starting point is 00:14:11 From there, the path was simple. Walk directly across the field, pass the ancient thorn tree, and find the smaller gate on the other side. But when he got there, the gate was nowhere to be seen. Now it was dark, and he was willing to admit that he might have aimed poorly, so he began to search along the tall hedge for the missing gate. But try as he might. He couldn't.
Starting point is 00:14:32 I want to pause for a second here and make a personal observation. I've done a fair amount of walking through the countryside of England, and I know what an Iron Age hillfort looks like. Places like Uffington Castle come to mind. These old hill forts commonly have a border around them, consisting of an outer hill and an inner ditch. And Ireland has its own fair share of them, too. But over the centuries, since they were abandoned, these forts have taken on their own legends.
Starting point is 00:15:00 In Ireland, many were viewed as fairy rings, places of mystery and power that clearly had something to do with the fairies. And when I read the description of the field Reverend Harris was trying to pass through, I can't help but think of those ancient forts. Perhaps without knowing it, he had stepped into a fairy ring, or at least a place with that sort of connotation. Frustrated and confused, Harris eventually decided that he had simply gotten his directions wrong and marched back to the main wooden gate he had entered through earlier.
Starting point is 00:15:31 But when he reached the spot, his anxiety rose. The gate wasn't there. And that meant, without a way to exit, he was trapped. According to Reverend Harris later, this confusing adventure went on for hours. At one point, he walked the entire circumference of the field, his hand brushing the hedge, and found no trace of either gate. Gates that had been there for decades, centuries, perhaps. And then, just as quickly as they had disappeared, the gates returned.
Starting point is 00:16:01 One moment they were missing, and the next, there they were. As quick as he could, Harris exited the field and returned home. He decided that it would be safer to use his bicycle and the main road to complete his journey, and as far as we know, he had no further troubles. These stories, and the folklore behind them, are fascinating for a couple of reasons. First they show us just how deeply held the belief in stray sod and enchanted forests really was, but they also provide something else. Context.
Starting point is 00:16:33 As I have one last tale to tell you, one that brings all of these ideas home. And while it would have been an entertaining one to hear as a standalone story, having all of this historical context only deepens the scope of the adventure. And it makes something else clear. Just how afraid we should be. Caroline was born in 1822, in the ancient, legendary American city of Salem, Massachusetts. She was born there, raised there, and spent the first couple decades of her adult life there.
Starting point is 00:17:21 After a number of years in Boston, though, she returned to Salem and spent the last few years of her life writing down the stories of her youth on the North Shore. Her stories are best read while imagining her well into her 80s, entertaining a room full of younger relatives. The children would all gather around to hear what Caroline had to tell them, and her tales were always full of humor and thrills. One of them, though, stands out to me as both powerful and frightening, and I hope it's never forgotten or lost to time.
Starting point is 00:17:52 The story begins with her childhood, and the summers spent a few miles from Salem in the town of Beverly. Back then, the town had a large wooded area known as the Beverly Commons. There's not much of it left today, cut up by development highways and railroad tracks, but there's enough still there to give you a feel for what it might have been like. But back when Caroline was growing up, the Beverly Commons went by a different name. The Witchwoods It was the Witchwoods because that's what locals tended to call mysterious places in
Starting point is 00:18:22 the early 19th century. It was the Witchwoods because it was near Salem, and there had been a rumor that Giles Corey, one of the accused witches from the Salem trials, had hid out there for a time, and in the center of the Witchwoods, according to the legend, sat the Witch Farm. Because anything else just wouldn't make sense, wouldn't it? Now Caroline's family owned a summer home called Thistlewood that sat very near the Witchwoods, and it was there in 1841 that she and two of her friends left the safety of their house and walked into those mysterious woods.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Caroline was 19 at the time, and with her was her 10-year-old cousin Nani and Nani's governess Lucy Ann. Together, they headed deep into the forest, following the well-worn trail through the trees. Caroline recalled the experience beginning pleasantly enough. The North Shore of Boston in the summer can be a glorious place to be, and even in Beverly you can smell the ocean on the wind, but at some point they stepped off the path to rest beside a grove of hemlock trees.
Starting point is 00:19:23 It was a lovely pause in their casual hike through the woods. They ate some cookies that Lucy Ann had brought along for the walk. They chatted about life and everything they hoped to do that summer, and then when they were done, they stood back up. When they did though, they noticed something odd. The trail was gone. They searched in the direction they thought they had come from, and found nothing but more forest.
Starting point is 00:19:48 They circled around the hemlocks, thinking maybe they had gotten their directions confused, but still, no sign of the main path. They even tried pushing through some of the undergrowth to spot it, but despite having walked in on a well-marked trail, that trail was now gone. Finally, in a moment of frustration, they all just stopped and listened, and that was when they caught the sound of the ocean on the wind. An idea occurred to them. If they could at least reach the nearby shore, they would certainly find their way home.
Starting point is 00:20:18 At least, that was the idea. The witchwoods, however, had a mind of their own. After 10 minutes of walking toward the sounds of the crashing waves, they realized they hadn't even left the hemlock grove, however impossible that seemed to be. They didn't give up though, and after one last attempt, they managed to arrive some place new. But it wasn't the ocean. It was a clearing.
Starting point is 00:20:41 And that clearing wasn't empty, either. Coming to Caroline, in the middle of the open space in the trees, they could all clearly see the remains of an old stone cellar, a broken chimney, and a collection of flowering bushes that had long since taken over. It was an image that tickled something in the back of Caroline's mind. This house, she thought, must have been the witch farm. They spent a few moments there, enchanted by the wonder of the old place. I can imagine them exploring the ruins, nudging rocks over with their feet to see what treads
Starting point is 00:21:13 of treasures lay beneath them, maybe even picking something up to examine, but it was just a temporary respite from their problem. Finally in the tree line across the clearing, the youngest girl found another path, and they all followed it out in hopes that it might lead them home, or to the ocean. This trail wound uphill though, until it finally stopped above the trees, and looking back, they realized that they could still see the clearing, but something was different about it this time. The house had returned.
Starting point is 00:21:46 Caroline described it beautifully in a book she published later in life. Cows were grazing in a small green meadow, she later wrote. Hens and chickens and ducks were clamoring for their dinner around an open door with a broad stone doorstep. Clothes were hanging on a line in the yard, and milk pans were shining in the sun. It was idyllic and peaceful and almost magical, and all three of them were pulled into the vision. Then, as they watched smoke billowing from the chimney and the animals move about the
Starting point is 00:22:19 yard, a woman stepped into the open doorway and tossed handfuls of grain to the chickens that had gathered there. And that's when Lucianne had an idea. They could return and ask the woman for help in getting home. Being the oldest of the three, she told the others to stay on the hill, and then vanished back down the trail. Caroline and Nani watched the house down below for a long time before Lucianne returned, but the expression on her face told them everything they needed to know.
Starting point is 00:22:49 I could not find the clearing again, she told them. She did, however, find a dried-up streambed, and assuming it flowed to the ocean, suggested they follow it to see where it might lead them. A short while later, they emerged from the witchwoods onto a rough old road, and followed it back to the safety of this old wood. The forest, like so many others around the world, had tried to contain them, and for a time, it had actually worked. Whether they had been pixie-led or stepped on stray sod, we can never know for sure,
Starting point is 00:23:23 but their experience certainly teaches us one thing. The forest is something that will always demand our respect. And a healthy dose of fear. There aren't many places left in the world where mystery still finds a home. We wish that weren't the case, and all it takes is a few minutes of browsing your favorite streaming video platform to confirm that. People love the shadows, and all the secrets they hold. Maybe that's one of the biggest reasons why the forest has mesmerized humans for thousands
Starting point is 00:24:04 of years. Outside we can see most of the dangers of our world long before they reach us, but once we cross that boundary, we leave all of that safety behind, and enter a world of mystery and the unknown. Oh, and more than a bit of danger. As I mentioned earlier, Caroline Howard King's record of her mysterious hike through the forest was included in her book, When I Lived in Salem. In it, she adds a small afterward to the story.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Apparently one of the guests staying at Thistlewood that summer was a young man named James Russell Lowell, who was only three years her senior. Lowell, of course, would go on to become one of America's best known romantic poets. He and his small circle of friends would later be known as the Fireside Poets, a group that would include Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, John Greenleaf Whittier, and Ralph Waldo Emerson. At the time of his visit to Thistlewood, though, he was 22, engaged to be married, and still looking for a job. In her story, Caroline claims that she told Lowell about her experience, and that he was
Starting point is 00:25:07 so enchanted by the details of the story that he later returned to the Witchwoods with them to try and find the farm again. But apparently, they were never successful. If the Witch Farm still stands at the center of the Beverly Commons today, it's just as hidden from our modern view as it was in the days of Caroline's adventure. And that's to be expected, I suppose. Over time, things tend to get forgotten, or overlooked, or lost. Most of the time, we only really see what we want to.
Starting point is 00:25:39 If Caroline's story is any indication, though, there could be another reason we can't find it. Someone, or something, won't let us. Obviously, forests hold a special place in many stories from folklore. Most of the time, they serve as a powerful setting, but every now and then, it also becomes one of the main characters, which leads me to something I want to share with you. I've been working on a project over the past year that aims to tick all the boxes you love, terrifying folklore, supernatural mystery, and a whole lot of drama, all set in the woods.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Together with Lauren Shippen, the creator of the Bright Sessions, I've built a brand new audio fiction podcast, and it's called Bridgewater. And the cast is something to behold. The show stars Misha Collins, better known as Castiel from Supernatural, alongside Melissa Ponzio from Teen Wolf. And along the way, we'll meet other characters, played by amazing folks like Nathan Fillion, Hilary Burton Morgan, Will Wheaton, Jonathan Joss, and Kristen Bauer. Bridgewater arrives on Friday, August 6th, with the first two episodes, and then will
Starting point is 00:27:04 run weekly after that until the 10th and final episode of the season. To make sure you don't miss out, be sure to subscribe in Apple Podcasts, the I Heart Radio app, Spotify, or wherever it is that you listen to podcasts. It's an incredible story, brought to life by an equally incredible cast. And if you stick around through this brief sponsor break, I'll give you an extended sneak peek. Who are you? Mrs. Becker?
Starting point is 00:28:10 I won't ask you again, who are you and what do you want? My name is Jeremy Bradshaw. Oh my God, so you are. Have we met? A very, very long time ago. How old are you now, 50? 45, actually, but thanks. I was never good with kids.
Starting point is 00:28:33 They all look the same to me. We met when I was a kid. You don't remember, huh? I don't. I'm sorry. Oh, trust me, shouldn't be sorry. Better off. Why?
Starting point is 00:28:46 Okay, so now that I know who you are, do you want to come in and tell me what you want? Yeah, it does look like it's about to rain. You worked on my dad's case. I was on the force at the time, yeah. When did you retire? Nearly 15 years ago. I did my 20 years of service, a couple of years at the desk, and then got out. It wasn't the friendliest career for a woman, you know, especially in the 80s and 90s and
Starting point is 00:29:17 especially after... Yeah, I can imagine. But you still go back there every couple of months? Who told you that? I was down at the station earlier today picking up this. Where did you get this? Some hikers found it in the woods. And what else did they find?
Starting point is 00:29:43 Nothing. Mrs. Becker... Miss... Never married. Not that it matters. I just... Just call me Ann. Ann, are you still looking into my father's case?
Starting point is 00:29:54 That case is closed. Yeah, but that's not what I asked. What do you want from me? I just want to know why you've come back to the station recently. I just talked to Officer Batista. Maria, she's a nice girl. Smart. Yeah, she told me that you've been trying to get Captain Haddock to reopen the case.
Starting point is 00:30:15 You remember the Satanic Panic, don't you? Yeah, of course. Evangelical Christians spreading fear about Satanic rituals throughout America. It's an interesting conspiracy phenomenon, actually, because... Well, I would think the thing that would interest you about it is the fact that it's what they blamed your dad's disappearance on. Yeah. But he was investigating a Satanic cult, wasn't he, that was active in the Freetown Forest?
Starting point is 00:30:40 He wouldn't have been the first person to get lost in there, and it's completely plausible that the cult found him and murdered him. But either way, blaming it on the cult, it makes sense. There's nothing about what happened to Thomas that makes sense. You think that you understand these words, but I... I have lived next to them for 45 years. Strange things were happening back then, and strange things are happening again now, and all those fools down at the station.
Starting point is 00:31:08 They want to admit it. Oh, okay, I see what this is. What? What are you talking about? You know, I remember all sorts of kooks calling and coming to our home and trying to convince my mother that her husband was the victim of some sort of monster in the forest, right? I gotta say, I would have thought a police officer would be above that sort of wild theorizing, but I guess I was wrong.
Starting point is 00:31:32 Uh-huh, so they told you that I was crazy, right? Didn't they? The police? They said it back then, too, when I didn't buy into the panic, when I thought maybe there was more going on. I was dismissed. Okay, what more do you think was going on? I mean, you know that there's never been any substantiated evidence of satanic ritual abuse.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Like you said, it was the Christian fundamentalists. Human values gone completely haywire, paranoia getting the best of us, paranoia got the best of the Freetown police, too. There was evidence of cult activity in the woods. Yeah, hippie gatherings, mostly. All the actual animal mutilations came later, though that is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what goes on around here. Cool.
Starting point is 00:32:23 So what do you think happened? A pup wedgie got him, maybe a thunderbird came and took him away? Well, I think there's a lot that we don't know about, you know, monsters, wormholes, witchcraft. This is a strange place. This part of the country, you know. Just before Thomas went missing, this area got a name for itself. Yeah, the Bridgewater Triangle.
Starting point is 00:32:44 Yeah. I teach folklore at the university. Now, why would you want to go and do that after growing up with all those kooks turning your father's disappearance into something it so clearly wasn't? Okay, I should go. Thank you. Wait. Don't forget this.
Starting point is 00:33:05 You might want to go to the lake, take a look around. I'm sure the police missed something. Wait a second. How did you know that this was found at the lake? Well, where else would it have turned up? I'm sorry. Oh, I don't know. I told you.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Strange things are happening. Okay. Can I just ask you, this doesn't look like it's been in the woods for 40 years, does it? It sure doesn't. No. Okay. I got to go.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Thanks, Ms. Becker. Ann, sorry. I will... Just here. It's my home phone number. I still use a landline, no self-service out here. I've actually had the same tape machine since the 70s. They don't make things like they used to.
Starting point is 00:33:54 What's up? Oh, nothing. I just... The message light, it wasn't on when I got home and the phone hasn't rung all evening, so... Maybe it finally gave up the ghost after 40 years. Maybe. You need to be careful, Bradshaw.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Things aren't what they seem. Right. Well, I will get out of your hair. Call me. When you want to know more, you call. Sure. Thanks. Well, it looks like you were right.
Starting point is 00:34:25 Seems like there is a storm on the way. You have one unheard message. Ann? What? Ann, you need to help. Slick. You were right. It isn't what it seems.
Starting point is 00:34:43 It's how it works. You were right. It isn't what it seems. It's happening again. And it will all end this time. One way or another. This episode of Lore was written and produced by me, Aaron Mankey, with research by Sam Alberti and music by Chad Lawson.
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