Loremen Podcast - Loremen S6Ep19 - The Amazing Journey, 1607

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

James relates an unintentionally saucy tale about a man who took his pinnace to London. A pinnace is a kind of small boat and James didn't realise how rude was going to sound when spoken aloud. How would you pronounce it? Try it, say "pinnace" out loud. Say it on the bus, if you're on the bus. Double-entendres aside, this is the 1607 story of a truly amazing journey made by air, land and - friend of the show - water. This episode was edited by ⁠⁠⁠⁠Joseph Burrows - Audio Editor⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the LoreFolk at ⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/loremenpod⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠ko-fi.com/loremen⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check the sweet, sweet merch here... ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.teepublic.com/stores/loremen-podcast?ref_id=24631⁠⁠⁠⁠ @loremenpod ⁠⁠⁠⁠youtube.com/loremenpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/loremenpod⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.facebook.com/loremenpod⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Lawmen, a podcast about local legends and obscure curiosities from days of yore. I'm James Shakespeare. I'm Alistair Beckett King. Alistair, I hope you brought your portable seat belt. I have shall I shall I strap myself in? You need to strap yourself in right now. To myself. Yeah I guess. I've strapped. Good because we're about to embark on an amazing journey. James just one question where are we going do we need roads? We need roads for

small percentage of the journey. What an incredibly specific answer. Yeah, you'll find out. Alistair, are you ready to go on? Wait a minute, wait a minute. What am I doing? Why am I breaking with convention? Alistair, how are you? I'm well, thank you very much, James. What's your second question?

Are you ready to go on an amazing journey? Yes, I am, James. I'm raring to go on an amazing journey. You better be. OK, so this comes from, and this is one of the only sources I can find for this story, Tales of Old Berkshire. Oh. By Cecilia Milson.

Old Berkshire sounds like the name of a big old dog. Yes, it does actually. That's Old Berkshire. Wait, what accent do they have in Berkshire? Is it that one? It's kind of countrysidey. It's kind of between Oxfordshire, Wiltshire, Windsor. Windsor? Windsor Castle's in Ber countrysidey. It's kind of between Oxfordshire, Wiltshire, Windsor.

Windsor? Windsor Castle's in Berkshire. But it also goes all the way over to Wiltshire. So yeah, kind of a big, big smear of a county. And of course it's where a book comes from. Yes. Let's not get so sweary so quickly. It's fine to say Berkshire Hunt.

It's... What's rude about that James Alistair Cockneys will be throwing their iPhones in down the apples and pears And that I've realized is but they'll be tearing out their hair They will have to wear a syrup because that's the only other bit of cockney-vibes slang. I can remember right now wear a syrup because that's the only other bit of Cockney Vibes slang I can remember right now. Plates? Just plates mean hands? No, plates. I don't know what China plates. That's your mates. Yeah. All right.

Yes. But plates of meat. The old China. Of feet. Plates of meat, feet. I knew it was, I knew it was an appendage, James. Berkshire. Tales of old. Cecilia Milson. And this chapter is called The Amazing Journey of William Bush of Lamborn. Oh, Billy Bush. Oh, Billy Bush.

Now, if you want to open your- When you say of Lamborn, do you mean that his father was a lamb? Oh no, that's the name of a village. Right. Yes, he is not. So that wasn't the amazing journey out of a lamb. No, that was not one of his amazing journeys. If you want to look at your little magic envelope that I sent to you via a

popular messaging app. Oh, shall I Russell that open now? You could have, this is the, this is the image on the cover of the book. Russell Russell, Russell Russell. Oh, do you want to briefly describe it? Well, what I'm looking at here is some manner of sales ship or galleon with three masts and a flag that I don't recognize, but it isn't on the sea, James, is it?

No. What's it doing? It's on sort of two ropes and it's going up the side of a church. Yeah. Like a sort of ski lift. And this is the tale of Billy Bush of the village of Lamborne. Right. Alistair, I'm doing a filmic start.

Boom. Smash cut. Yep. Yep. That's how you start a film. It's the morning of Monday, the 20th of July, 1607. Yep. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Got it. You happy with that? You happy with that? You happy with that? Just in the Lawman Extended Universe, another William is in Japan at the moment making friends with the Shogun and stuff. Oh, why the stuff's going on?

Right now, probably, not sure exactly the dates, but young Olly Croms is probably beating up young King Charles, who was a prince at that time. Yeah, because they were friends like Professor Xavier and Magneto, right? Well, they bumped into each other once, apparently. Really? Yeah, we covered it on the old Olly Croms head episode, I think. I should actually listen to this podcast. It's very informative.

Oh yeah, there's loads going on. But yeah, so we're back then in them days. It's Monday the 20th of July, the morning 1607. And we are near the village of Lamborne. Well, we're on the outskirts at William Essex's garden. Now I'm pretty sure this is Sir William Essex, the first baronet who lived 1575 to 1645. He was the MP for Arendelle, which I think is in Lord of the Rings. Then MP for Stafford, which is a motorway service station. And then he became justice of the peace for Berkshire. And it's around this time he became friends

with William Bush, Billy Bush, and he financed the following very, very amazing journey. On that day, a ship was unveiled, a pinnace. I'm sorry? A pinnace? How is it spelled? Pinace. Sounds like I'm saying, not rude, but an anatomical word in a bit of a funny accent, but it's spelt P-I-N-N-A-C-E.

Ah. I'm going to just double check that it is pronounced like a posh person talking about something. I'm not going to trust you AI overview. So it's a ship's boat and it doesn't, it doesn't give me a pronunciation on Wikipedia. Otherwise I'm just going to have to pronounce it like that guy. Pinnis. Yeah.

Well, according to the internet Pinnis is pronounced like that. This is not bleepable. This is a type of boat. A P pinnis. It's a ship's boat. It's neither a launch nor a lifeboat. It's in between. Will Barron The pinnis. Jason Vale It's the pinnis. It's like the little boat that you see going around between the big ships. Will Barron Bigger than a jolly boat though, because it's got sails, right? Jason Vale Yes, it can have up to three. And in in later years you could even have a steam powered pinnace.

Right. Right. Okay. I didn't realize this was going to sound so rude. It's not jolly. It's just a regular pinnace. Yes. Reminds, well, okay. So it's a ship's boat. So remember that thing. You can have a boat on a ship, but you can't have a ship on a boat. Yeah. It's the dessert spoon, tablespoon. You can have a dessert on a ship, but you can't have a ship on a boat. Yeah. It's the dessert spoon, tablespoon. You can have a dessert on a table. You can't have a table on a dessert.

Right. But anyway, I've distracted myself with all this talk. Yeah, that's confused me even more. Back to the penis. Just get back to the penis, James. On Monday the 20th of July, a big crowd had gathered to see this guy's penis. I really didn't expect it to go this way. How could you possibly have anticipated this, James?

From Sir William Essex, the first baronet, his garden emerged this penis and it was taken to the churchyard where there were... Piloted by Mr Bush, is that correct? Yes, Billy Bush. Where some elaborate cables pulled it up the church tower. Right. And a load of cannons. If you look at that picture, you see there's a load of cannons out the side.

Yes. They all went off by themselves. There was no one on the boat. Right. And you see all those flags on the side of the boat. It's waving many a flag. Yes. It's coats of arms, the arms of England, the Essex coat, the Harcourt's and the Wayne Man's.

The Wayne Man's? Yes. Who I can only assume is the crime fighting pseudonym of Bruce Batt. That's very good, James. Thank you very much. Well done. Criminals are a superstitious and cowardly lot. I need something that will strike terror into the heights.

I know. Just to be clear, a bat is saying this. Yes, yes. A bat in a smoking jacket. A very rich bat. Is saying this. A very wealthy, a playboy bat. He's not a rich bat. He's saying this. A very wealthy, a playboy bat. He's not a serious bat.

He's a playbat. Yes, that's it. I shall become a Wayne. And yeah, Wayne Man was born. The coat of the shipwright, the ancestors and divers are the gentlemen of worth of all the flags hanging out the side of this boat, this pinnace. It's a ship. Yeah. And the guns went off remotely and it got late.

A lot of people had gathered, more people than Billy Bush had anticipated had gathered. So they had to take the boat back to William Essex's garden because they couldn't do the launch that day. The start of the amazing journey. Sorry, you're telling me that the ship being heaved to the top of the, the church tower, that wasn't the journey. Nope. It's a boat, Alistair, it's a penis.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's a penis. Excuse me. They're yeah, that wasn't quite the start of the journey. I had to read this chapter a few times because it is quite confusing because on Tuesday the 21st an even bigger crowd has shown up and they took the pinnace back to the churchyard and they pulled it up about 40 feet in the air. The inventor had a little look around and checked all the underside of it, checked it was all good, brought it back down again.

He got on it and they hauled the pinnace all the way back up to the top of the tower. Will Barron So the first two pinnace haulings were just a practice. Jason Vale Yeah, they were just kind of showing off. And then they get, as the- Will Barron Just a dry run. Jason Vale Yes, yes. As the pinnace was brought to the top of the tower- Will Barron Yes, James.

Jason Vale They realized the tower was covered in people. There were loads of people who wanted to catch a glimpse of the pinnace was brought to the top of the tower. Yes, James. They realised the tower was covered in people. There were loads of people who wanted to catch a glimpse of the pinnace. Yep. And they, they'd climbed all up the start side of the tower and it was too much weight. You naughty pinnace peepers, get down from there. They just wanted to have a little look at his pinnace. Well, you can see it from the ground. Now I'll start, I'll say first of all, no one was hurt, but bits of the tower started to fall off the

church. Two of the little pinnacles, you know, the like the nice bits on the corners of a tower, two of them fell off to the ground. They didn't hurt anyone. Fortunately, no one was hurt and everyone sort of calmed down and the boat was pulled right up to the top of the part. The sorry, the boat was pulled right up to the top of the power, sorry, the pinnace was pulled right up to the top of the tower. William Bush saluted and the boat was let down to the ground.

That is the first stage of the journey. The first stage. I have no idea why any of this is happening. This is the kind of thing Richard Branson used to do. This is documented by Billy Bush's good friend, Anthony Nixon, in a pamphlet that uses that, that image as the cover. It is a journey by air, land and sea. And that is air. Okay.

Yeah, he traveled through the air, certainly, but where is the journey from and to? Just, I don't think you were listening, Anas. It's from the top of the church tower. Oh, okay. And he's going to the customs house on Customs Quay. So it's going from the top of this church tower in Berkshire to the Thames in London. Yes. Yes.

Right. That is the air segment of the journey ticked off. Now we've got the start of the land segment. And now the boat was powered by two big wheels at the back and one smaller wheel at the front, which was for steering. And also Anthony Nixon mentions a mystery fourth wheel. Now, Nixon doesn't go into the mechanical specifics and is the only written source. So all we know is that now Billy Bush wield his penis up and down the churchyard for everyone

to see. And I did, I really did, I really feel I'm undermining this quite big feet of mechanics. Oh, he had big feet as well, did he? I mean, it was a three-miles pinnace. But he decided there were too many people for him to continue his journey. And he went back to Billy S6's. And then on Wednesday, the 22nd, at 4pm, he was all ready to set off. I'm not sure why the large crowds prevent him from doing any of the things he's trying to do. He complains about them quite a lot.

Later on in the journey, he complained that there were so many people around, he couldn't breathe. It's like, you're on a boat, mate. They're not on... Yeah, anyway. So at 4pm the next day, he's all ready and he sets off for up Lamborn. And by 7pm, he got there and he had traveled a quarter of a mile. It took him all day to go a quarter of a mile. It took him three hours, three hours, because he didn't set off till four.

You should have set off earlier. And then. So is that because of the traffic, do you think? Maybe. Maybe he was just tired because it says on Thursday the 23rd, he rested. Okay. All right. On Friday the 24th, he set off again in the afternoon and he went up one hill quite slowly,

unsurprisingly. What's pushing this? What's propelling it forward? We don't know because as I say, the only- It's not a steam powered pinnace. No, it's not a steam pinnace. So is he sort of, is it the sails? Is it the wind?

It's something to do with the wheels. Is all that we know. Anthony Nixon doesn't go into it. Okay, alright. If only we knew what that fourth wheel did. All it says is wheels and divers are the engines. Right. Yeah.

So several engines. Engines. Yeah. Engines. Engangs. And so he set off again, went slowly on top of the hill and very fast down the other side of the hill. Started up a second hill. That was pretty tough, but he managed to get to the top and then he left the boat there and went home for a night's rest. So he started this on Monday and it's Friday and he's near enough to his house that he can pop over a nap.

So far the journey is amazing. Saturday the 25th he set off again and he got as far as Sir Edmund Fetter Place's lodge. Sunday the 26th he probably chilled Craig David style. Monday the 27th he did five miles. Tuesday the 28th, his progress was disappointing. Something broke and he only did one mile that day. Right. Cause five miles, I mean, you could walk that in about an hour? Maybe two. An hour and a bit, maybe two hours.

Yeah. Depends on the size of the penis. It's very, very, very slow moving penis. It is. On Wednesday the 29th, he traveled a further five miles to Aldworth. And on Thursday the 30th, he got to Streatley and the Thames. So that's the ground part. Tick. Okay. All right. We're going to be, I was going to say we're going to be flying.

We're going to be moving a bit faster when we get the pinnace onto the water. Brilliant. He's got the pinnace to the water. He gets into the water, but a gang of barge men attack him. No, not barge men. Yes. They beat him up. Well, technically they beat up his two members of crew. They leave him unharmed.

Why do they beat him up? I mean, I can sort of guess, but why, James, why do you think they beat him up? It doesn't say, but they did not like this guy. They did not like him flashing his penis around. It just vibes. They apparently poked holes in his boat with their sort of barge poles. They literally would touch it with a barge pole. They touched him with a barge pole. They smashed his boat up. They thought they'd scuttled it and they left it and him and his crew went off to their

lodgings and they came back. They managed to mend the craft. It took them two days. Little did those barge men know how badly constructed this was in the first place, that it can be repaired. Repaired it in two days, which sounds like that's really quick. Not enough time. August the 3rd, he's back in the water.

And he hired a second boat with a bunch of musicians on it to sail alongside him just for vibes. Yeah, because they didn't have Walkmans in those days. True. And he continued his voyage. On August the 4th, they reached Caversham Lock in Reading, where there was 2000 plus onlookers. Will Barron Wow. So he's getting the crowds in. Fair play to him.

Jason Vale Definitely. Will Barron You know, it might not be to my taste. Jason Vale But it's entertainment. Like you say, they didn't have walk-ons. And then he carries on into London. Over the particularly windy bits of river, he could cut the corners by going over land. But given his previous experience and previous speed, I don't think he was saving that much time. He got stuck a bit at Maidenhead because there was such a buildup of filth there. And then he stopped off at Windsor and then he got to Kingston and he was hosted at Campton

Court by Sir Charles Manners, who I think's daughter is in another one of our, is in the Lawman Extended Universe. Really? She was the spitting ghost because she was called Lady Manners and I remember us thinking, oh, quite bad manners. Yeah, that wouldn't have escaped our notice. And then on August the 13th, under the cover of darkness, he arrives at Customs Key, where he's greeted by the customer, which is the name of the person in charge, the controller, and the surveyor.

Oh yeah. And then they did a big ceremony on the 19th and he got a certificate. See, water, tick. The certificate is now lost. Don't look for it. William Essex, who sponsored the event, remember Billy Essex? He was the justice of the peace. He went on to fight in the civil war on the parliamentary side. He did squander his inheritance. And you know what Alistair? I think we can see why that happened. A guy who makes financial decisions like this squanders his inheritance. And they did some restoration work on the tower of Lamborne church in 1891.

Why is that James? Is that because someone heaved a boat up it? Well, they found that there was a crack nearly three and a half inches wide through the whole thickness of the north wall and the two northern pinnacle show signs of 17th century repairs. So that kind of backs up the story. It really did happen. There's only the one leaflet and then there's like another sort of side mention in a different leaflet that's like, you're doing that, in essence it goes like, well, you're going to

row a boat over a church, as though it was something very silly to do. It is quite silly to do, but. But it did happen. I think it's something that people would do. I think it's the kind of thing that would happen. People would get beards of bees. People try and break records. I mean, he got a certificate.

He did get a certificate. Are you telling me that's not real? Well, it's lost, unfortunately. So we will, we will so we will never know. So yeah, that's the story of the amazing journey. Well, I am amazed. And I just don't know why it happened. I must admit, Alastair, that is in no way supernatural.

So I did find another little bonus supernatural story from Tales of Old Berkshire, and it harks back to the lamborn, in a way. No man born of lamb. Just a very short one. In Bucklebury, there was a story that there was a ghostly procession where four men in white were carrying a white coffin and it would keep everyone indoors because it was so scary. That is quite frightening. Well one man dared to look out and see and he was armed with a strong cudgel and he lay

in wait and what he saw was four white clad men. He did see that and they were carrying a big sheep. They were sheep rustlers. Sorry, what? They were carrying a big sheep? Yeah, it wasn't a furry coffin. It was a big sheep. They were sheep rustlers. Sorry, what? They were carrying a big sheep? Yeah, it wasn't a furry coffin. It was a big sheep. It wasn't a fur upholstered coffin. It wasn't Liberace's coffin, you say? No, no, it wasn't. It was simply a sheep. It was a big sheep.

So it was a big sheep. Is it just four men carrying a sheep? Four men and a sheep. Yeah. And that, that past as a ghost in the olden days. Possible premise for a BBC sitcom. Four men and a sheep. Yeah. Are you thinking of sort of a spiritual successor to Last of the Summer Wine? It's somewhere between Last of the Summer Wine and One Man and His Dog.

But better because it's four men and a big sheep. Maybe you have to sort of competitively round up retired men. Yeah. And ride a big sheep downhill. And then ideally roll them down the hill in a pinnace. Yes. I mean, yes, we have to get a big pinnace involved. Or a standard size.

Whatever. So Alistair, there you go. That's a little bit of tales that I got from- Another story with no supernatural to top up the supernatural quotient. There's just a couple of little tales of old Berkshire. That's just sort of stuff that happens in old Berkshire. I am a little disappointed because I was thinking it would be like the, is it the incredible journey, the film from the fifties, sixties?

Oh, when they get shut down. I was hoping he would get shrunk down and injected into a big shape. Yes. I think we all were actually now. Is it possible? But realistically, is it possible to shrink a penis? Sorry, I couldn't finish the sentence. Piness. It really depends on the water temperature, I suppose. Yeah, now I've made it be in a sheep. It's really, I don't like it anymore. Well, you've made a rod for your own back in this episode, James.

I have a bit actually. So are you ready to score my penis? Yeah. After we finish recording. Yeah. Sure thing. Sure thing, boss. What is the first category? The first category, I'm just going to say supernatural now. Supernatural. Well, what have we got? Four men, four shepherds. Four shepherds. Did they come around with that sheep regularly?

Was it a regularly a spooky event that four men would be carrying a white quote unquote coffin? Well, I think they just, they would rustle one sheep at a time. Cause I guess you got one on each leg. Yeah. When you pick it up and hoist it on your shoulders. And one of them said, Oh, it looks like we've got a furry coffin. And the other one said that, Oh, that gives me an idea of how we can get away with this scot-free by convincing a village that there's a four ghosts with a furry coffin. Yeah. Just wander into the pub, very nonchalant, up by, order a pint, get some nuts.

And then be like, you know, you know what shaped coffins are? I've always thought they were more sort of sheep shapes. Is it just me? Just, just really relatable like that. And just subtly plant the idea that a sheep is the same as a coffin. Yeah. And then boom, you've got it. You can rustle as many sheep as you want.

The fact that they achieved that is bordering on supernatural, but I think it's a one. Yeah. Did you forget that there was a boat flying in the sky on some cables attached to a church. Of course, James, my first reaction to that was shock and horror. How can this be achieved? Is it witchcraft? But I have discovered that it was actually hoisted up there. It was cables.

At great cost to the structure of the building. It was cables and checks notes, divers, other engines, science. What about the cannons all going off by themselves? Well, I imagine that was the work of the diverse other engines. Yeah, that was some of the other engines. Maybe that's what a fourth wheel does. We don't know what it does. Exactly.

Okay then I'll take that one. My second category is naming. Do I need to remind you what the official term for the type of boat is that's... Yeah, I've forgotten actually. What was it called James? It's called a pinnis. A pinnis, of course, a pinnis. It was on the tip of my tongue. Yes. A great word, a new word to add to my vocabulary. Pinnis. If that isn't how it's pronounced add to my vocabulary. Mm-hmm. PINNES. If that isn't how it's pronounced. And the vocabulary of any kids who are listening.

If that isn't how it's pronounced, then you've got to blame the internet search engines. I double-checked. I listened to Miriam Webster and she said, yeah, I checked with Miriam and she said, PINNES, PINNES, she said. I like it because sometimes they've got like an American and then a British person who just says the whole thing much more flatly. It'll be like Pennis. And then Pennis, Pennis, Pennis, Pennis, Pennis. She's a guy who really hates life.

Says it again. And other names. We had the name William a bunch of times. A lot of Willys. A lot of Billy's. A lot of Willys, a lot of Billy's. A lot of Williams and Billy's. And yeah, that was it really. Just some general place names, Lamborn, but that's...

Yeah, what sort of Charlie Manners? Can't remember if that was his name. Yeah, Sir Charles Manners. Sir Charles Manners. We've got old Berkshire, the dog. Who can talk. Ruff. Has adventures.

There's no point even scoring it. Yeah, five, whatever you want. Can't even remember the category. Five. We need to get work on the pilot. It was the category that contained the word pinnis. So I know it was five anyway. Yeah.

Oh, it would have been five anyway. Yeah. Okay. Third category. Yes. I feel like I'm leaving myself wide open here. Pun. No, don't say that.

Don't say pun because you haven't said the category yet, James. I feel like I'm giving, yeah, I feel like I'm exposing myself here. Double entendre. I see what you did there, James. You slipped one in just before. You said double entendre. You did a double entendre. Yep. Yep. Yep.

So we're up to maybe a triple, maybe even a quadruple entendre at this point. I'm seeing double four entendres. Cause you know, you know, cause double has two in it. And so I'd be inclined to say, well, that's two entendres. It's two out of five. Yeah. Can, can, can you get it up to five? Can you, can up to five?

Can you offer me any more? Well, I could get it up to three because double entendre is two, but also the classic street joke is the Vicar asked me for a double entendre, so I gave him one. Very good. Boom, that's three. Okay. You have successfully got it up. There's another one.

All right, four. And I mean the pinnace. Oh yeah, that one as well. Yeah, that was, um, all right, I'm, I've lost count. It's five. It's five. It's just a simple five. It's five.

It's five, James. It's five. Yes. Wonderful. Okay. Final category. This is some, I'm going to pull back the curtains for the audience. This was suggested by you. It is excellent wordplay and it is why Athalon? Okay. Is that very good? Just in case the listener isn't enjoying it fully, would you

like to explain why Athalon? Why Athalon? Because it's a triathlon. Yeah. Why are they doing it? Yeah, why? It's amazing. It is an amazing journey and it's an amazing feat. And in 1607, some sort of… In 1607, one man travelled at significantly slower than walking speed from Buckingham shire to London. In a boat on land. Yeah, in a boat.

A boat which substantially slowed him down. And it was 26 miles away from the river. So a lot of people, it would have been the first time they'd have seen a penis. I'm seeing if I can still score some extra points for the previous category. Well, no, it's too late. That category is closed. That ship has sailed. No, yeah.

We simply will never know. Tony Nixon does not delve. He's not someone who deals in whys and wherefores. Or he did, but Cecilia in her retelling, because this, I haven't actually gone back to the original PAMF. I'm really gone off Cecilia's retelling, because this, I haven't actually gone back to the original Panth. I'm really gone off Cecilia's retelling. She does not, if it is mentioned in the Panth, she didn't see fit to include it in this story. Well, I think actually James, that's the reason why this can't be a full five out of five. I think it's a four because, and hear me out for goodness sake, James, before you hop all over me.

I think the reason they aren't saying why is that it's obvious, James, it's the spirit of adventure. It is, isn't it? You know, humanity has always dreamed of winching a boat up to the top of a church and then coming straight back down. Three times in two days for no real reason. And then as far as I can tell, pushing a boat up a hill. Probably. He was sat in the boat and then the two other crew members.

I feel like those two guys who got beaten up have really got a raw deal. I think they were the mystery fourth wheel. They are the fourth wheel. Being a third wheel is quite bad, but being a fourth wheel, absolutely instrumental. Why Athalon? Yeah. Yeah, it's four out of five. Oh good. Because, because it is baffling, but not quite. I think we all know that in the heart of,

in the heart of every Wayne, there is, we, we dream of flight and pushing and floating. Yes. And, and also we did get a certificate. Of course, of course. That's your reason. That's the reason. Seeing your name up there in beautiful word art. But there may be some clip of that guy, that little silhouette guy jumping with an exclamation mark above his head. Do you remember him from the 90s? And walking and then also swimming just to kind of try and get the sort of three.

Yeah. Or maybe a duck smashing a computer with a mallet. I saw that a lot. Yeah. So they did need roads. So yeah, they did need roads for 26 miles of that 126 miles and the height of a church journey, something like 60 yards, they say, which is about what, 40 feet? There was, I think, possibly a bit cut from that episode. And if you would like to hear that and other episodes bonuses, please join us at patreon.com forward slash lawmen pod. Thank you very much to everyone who already does support us on that. It is what keeps the podcast going and thank you much to Joe for editing the amazing journey

that is podcasting. Wow. It's got to be the most fun for Joe. Sorry any way. Sorry, Annie Wayne's listening. We're not really going to go. You just get, you get the way you deserve.