Loremen Podcast - S5 Ep19: Loremen S5Ep19 - The Hanging Judge of Lyme Regis

Episode Date: February 8, 2024

 James has been fossil-hunting in Devon (AKA Next-Dorset) and he has unearthed the tale of a horrible old judge who just won't stay buried. It's the story of the Monmouth Rebellion, "Hanging" Judge Jeffries and the Bloody Assizes. (Those bloody assizes). Expect some baffling pub names, a smattering of actual history, and a chance to learn the difference between a bugle and a beagle. (You really shouldn't blow into a beagle.) Yes, of course there are ghosts. This episode was edited by Joseph Burrows - Audio Editor. LoreBoys nether say die! Support the Loremen here (and get stuff): patreon.com/loremenpod ko-fi.com/loremen Check the sweet, sweet merch here... https://www.teepublic.com/stores/loremen-podcast?ref_id=24631 @loremenpod youtube.com/loremenpodcast www.instagram.com/loremenpod www.facebook.com/loremenpod

welcome to lawmen a podcast about local legends and obscure curiosities from days of yore i'm james shakeshaft and i on the other hand i'm alistair beckett king alistair are you ready for a spooky haunting at the end of a history lesson haunt me up baby wait, wait. History lesson? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. This is the story of the hanging judge of Lyme Regis. And just for context, at the very start, just before we started recording, I was bragging to you about how good a dad I was. I wonder if that'll come up in the episode. Have a listen. And then something spooky happened.

I've just heard the kids coming out of their bedroom, though, which is, I'm going to need to be the exact opposite of a vunkiller and tell them to go to bed right now. Go and shout at your children, and then come back and tell me a story about what a good dad you are. Yes, I will. Maybe in the edit we could add in some sound effects of doors slamming and stomping and shouting here to make James seem like more of a tyrant.

Okay, turns out I've got a ghost. Oh, it was just a little ghost? Yeah, it was just a little ghost. There was clearly the noise of children getting out of their bed and sneaking downstairs, going to bedroom, fast asleep. Classic. Classic ghost move. If I were you, James, I would avoid opening a reflective bathroom mirror cupboard.

Oh, I can open it all I like. It's closing it. Yeah, it's the closing moment. That's what you want to watch out for, the close. Well, Alistair, weirdly enough, I didn't bring you here to talk about the discovery that I'm the father to a ghost. I actually brought you here for an almost history lesson.

Are you ready for it? I almost am, yeah. Okay. Well, the reason I've been so dadding recently is because the other weekend we went down to Lyme Regis, which is a coastal town in Devon. And as I refer to the county in my head now, next Dorset. Oh!

It's the county next door to Dorset. I was so taken with that bit of wordplay, which I think I've done on the podcast before. It's sort of become what I call Devon in my head now. So much so... I bet the people of Devon love that. Well, I said it out loud and someone went what and I realized what I'd said and I had to just say oh I heard it on a podcast and just had to hope they didn't ask me which one and and then look it up and realize the podcast

you were talking about was a podcast you do that you were plugging in the stealthiest way possible yeah yikes but no fortunately I managed to bite my tongue before i said it out loud but no lime regis next door sit one of the main reasons it's famous in recent times is it's the home of the mother of paleontology mary anning she's the mother of paleontology she's the mother of all paleontology she's a great big paleontologist. She found all the ichthyosaurs on the beach down in Lyme Regis. And loads of ammonites. They're some of your wet dinosaurs, right? Yeah, they're the ones, basically, they look like dolphins wearing monocles.

Monocles? Yeah, they've got really, like, intricate eye bones, which makes them look like they've got monocles in. Big, posh dolphins. Snooty dolphins. With longer noses. They're actually, of the crystal palace dinosaurs they're one of the only ones that's actually halfway accurate okay i can picture

them now yeah because she found so many well preserved ones in the cliffs on the beach and so on in well just offline regis and she also found loads of ammonites so ammonites make sure i'm visualizing this correctly because this is an audio medium ammonites are the big spirally ones they are right yes used to be known uh i think we talked about this in one of the senil episodes as stone snakes because people thought they'd been turned to stone by a snake yeah or they, or when a saint drove the snakes out of England, they turned them to stone and chucked them just off the cliffs at the beach. They thought they stone-beated them.

Yes, exactly. That's not what happened at all. They just petrified and turned to stone slowly. Yes, ages ago. Is petrified the right word? Oh, well. I'm not familiar with paleontology, so I don't know. No.

And that was what we were looking for as a family. We went fossil hunting because I'm a cool dad. It was my wife's idea. I can't take credit for that. I love fossil hunting. Oh, yes. Because they really, the fossil can't really fight back in any way at all. Yeah.

It's strongly tipped in your favour. It is the least dangerous game. You don't even need a bugle. Or a beagle. They're very similar sounding words, considering they work together. Yeah. You don't want to get them mixed up.

No, you... And blow down a beagle. No, you need to bring some mouthwash. That's what I imagine that mouth sounds like. They'd definitely make a noise if you picked up a beagle. By the way, we found some cool fossils and there's loads loads of them the other other reason lime regis is famous is because of the monmouth

rebellion aka the pitchfork rebellion aka the revolt of the west aka the west country rebellion now alistair is this like one of those folk bands that keep cycling through members? No. New names. No, not this time. This is like that. It's a historical event. It's a historical event.

It's from 1685, which was around the time that the Royal Family was, like a band, cycling through new members with differing levels of popularity. Now, I like the sound of pitchfork rebellion already on board with these guys is this is this finally the peasants standing up for their right and demanding their due and hopefully poking some landowners in a three-pronged

manner no oh it's not that it's charles i II's bastard son being annoyed that his uncle became king. Ah. Yeah. And who gets caught in the middle? The pitchfork-wielding peasantry, as always. Yep. Doing the dirty work for someone's nephew. Yeah.

Or something. It was the Duke of Monmouth. That's where the name the Monmouth Rebellion comes from, which is the most famous name. Ducky Mons. James scott the duke of monmouth who was charles the second good name he was charles the second's illegitimate son and he wanted the throne but when charles the second died it went over to james the second james two james electric boogaloo he was also called james but he wasn't happy with it being a different james it was a different james yeah yeah yeah speaking as a james we're not all the same half of the james community

yes we're not all exactly the same there were there is jimmy jamie and the simple jim where were where were we monmouth the duke of monmouth he'd been banished to the dutch republic along with some co-conspirators after the 1683 rye house plot now is that rye or was it just a little bit arch it was rye which kind of rye it was it was okay it was a place it was simply a place it wasn't a house with an attitude okay okay all right i don't see this flying with the execs. I think we need this house to be a little bit more radical and a bit more in your face. What it was was an attempt to assassinate James and Charles,

the brothers, because Charles had already sort of named his successor as being James II, his brother. And the Rye House plot was headed up by, amongst others, the Duke of Monmouth. The plan was to ambush them on the way back from watching the horse races at Newmarket. And that was foiled because ten days before

the plan was supposed to happen, Newmarket burned down. Oh, lucky. Which is not the usual method of foiling an assassination plot and it's it's weirdly both exciting and boring at the same time so yeah but anyway the the plot got discovered and a bunch of people got banished to the dutch republic including other co-conspirators such as edward norton oh yeah uh bruce banner yep one, one of the Hulks. Probably his best-known role. Yep. And others were executed, including William Russell.

Willie Russell? Yeah, the playwright. William Willie? Yes. From the musical. Is it the Brothers one? Blood Brothers. Yes.

So that was back in 1683. And then, on the 11th of June, 1685, the Duke of Monmouth landed at Lyme Regis planning to take control of the area and then march on London and he did quite well he was proclaimed king in Taunton I think it was king

okay you take what you can get I've gigged in Taunton you know they're not easy to win over those people so fair play to the lad and to repeat the joke that we did when we had the folks from Lex Education on about Taunton, I thought it smelled bad on the outside. That's a Star Wars reference.

It's very good. It was a start. Did that go over well? Did that go over well with the Lex Education folks? Or was it widely misunderstood at the time? I think it was just me and Ron that got it, to be honest, at the time. Well, you can't keep referencing these obscure outhouse films and expecting us to know what you're talking about.

That is true. I'll just do more of Willie Russell musicals and the works of Edward Norton. So this period of time was called the Duking Days because of the Duke. The Duking Days? The Duking Days. The Duking Days. Yeah, he's a tough guy. He's like, I'm the King of Taunton. In Taunton, they call me King.

They call me the King of Taunton. I may be a Duke, but I'm a King in the land of Taunton. Pull up your dukes. I'm the King of Taunton. Yeah, he's a tough guy. Well, this lasted six weeks. in the land of taunton pull up your dukes i'm the king of taunton yeah he's a tough guy well tough guy this lasted six weeks i mean sneer at that if you want jones but we haven't been king at all that's true so being king for six weeks is pretty impressive even in taunton i reckon we

could become king of taunton for the summer holidays oh okay all right it lasted about six weeks locals sided with the rebellion and they fought a series of skirmishes, which culminated in a massive defeat at the Battle of Sedgmore. The government army was commanded by the Earl of Faversham and John Churchill. Yes, that Churchill. Related to the famous dog. Yes. Well, John Churchill was the son of a Winston Churchill, but not that one.

Not a time-travelling that one. No, of course not. He was son of Winston Churchill Classic, as I think the history books refer to him. I'm surprised, because I've always thought of Winston Churchill as the kind of person who would travel back in time to have sex with his relatives. Well, speaking of having sex with your relatives,

that Winston Churchill, the Winston Churchill Classic, their descendants obviously includes new Winston Churchill, the Winston Churchill classic, their descendants obviously includes new Winston Churchill on one side, but he's also sired the Spencer side, which includes Queen Elizabeth II, Illistric Boogaloo, and Charles III, of course. Yeah, but hold on, isn't that Princess Diana's surname? A little Queen of Hearts we like to call Lady Diana. What? So they were related to each other. Jeez, this must be the first time that's happened in the aristocracies of Europe. Oh, how embarrassing for them.

I have some chins to show you from Spain that might change your mind. Yeah, the Spanish listeners are trying to do a chinny reckon, but the aristocratic ones can't. That's all they can reckon. They can only reckon things. I pronounced chinny reckon in a really weird way there. We said itchy chin in the Northeast. We didn't say chinny reckon.

We went no itchy chin. Oh, we would say itchy chin, chinny reckon, Jimmy Hill, a beard and itchy beard yeah and just if you were ever telling a story and someone even even if they're just wiping away a fly and touch their chin you'd be like no it's true it's actually true uh there were a lot of chin flies would do a whole he would draw a whole sort of goatee with his hands oh yes and then and then pluck out a single imaginary hair very nice you realize he didn't believe you you'd gone too far

yeah that was the story is over oh that's nice the our version was like it would be you know your classic index and thumb on either side of the chin drawn down. Yeah, classic hmm face. And then extended beyond the chin to imagine a very long, pointy, and the longer and pointier, and in fact, curled up, that imaginary beard was, reflected the tallness of the tail. All curled like an Aladdin's shoe. Yes, yeah, yeah. But anyway, back to the Battle of Sedgemoor.

That took place in a place near Bridgewater, which has cropped up in a pod before. I think a man kicked a hare that he thought was a witch. I mean, that probably happened in a lot of places we've talked about. But this specific place that this happened was called Western Zoiland. Ooh. Which sounds imaginary, but it is a real place. How's it spelt?

W-E-S-T-O-N-Z-O-Y-L-A-N-D. Ooh, Weston Zoyland. Weston Zoyland. Yeah, it's got a Z in, which is always fun, in a place name. This is in contention for being the last battle on British soil, but some people would disagree most of them were scottish or jacobite but ultimately monmouth did manage to escape the battle disguised as a peasant he was caught in a ditch with a pocket full of peas and apparently it was his what do you mean caught with

a pocket full of peas he had a pocket full of contraband he was starving and he just managed to get some peas from the field and then he hid in a ditch and then someone saw him and it was running his peas it was his terrified eyes that gave him away as he popped a pp after p into his mouth yeah it's him it's him it's the one that they're looking for i don't know why they'd have that accent not real near me they're looking for it'd don't know why they'd have that accent. Not real near me. The one they're looking for. It'd be him, wouldn't you reckon? He's got a pocket full of peas. Well, he must be. Hold on, mate.

Is that the King of Tartan over there with a pocket full of peas? I believe it must be. You pay for those peas, mate. You pay for those peas. You coming in the field and taking the peas? He is taking the peas. Yeah, take it, yeah. Matter of fact, that's a good point.

I'm not quite sure how many farmers there were in that scene. There were a number of very similar sounding farmers with quite unusual accents. They've all got

a similar point of view, re-peas. Yeah. They're all weirdly surprised to see peas. And yeah, this defeat

led to the bloody Azizes. Gah. I'm sick of these blimmin asizes it's the bloody asizes led by judge jeffries aka the hanging judge now he sounds like a wrestler he sounds like a wwe wrestler it's judge jeffries boom you know because strutting in wide angle lens crowd going wild it's hanging judge jeffries and his assistant bloody assizes yeah he's got a paul bearer vibe i don't know if you remember at 80s wwf enough to remember paul bearer was there someone called paul bearer he was the sidekick of undertaker the undertaker right so very good It was kind of before the 90s when it got quite extreme, when it

was quite silly, but they had characters. And yeah, the Undertaker had like an assistant, like a few of them had assistants. Yeah, when it was like Panto but with serious injuries happening. Yes, exactly. Like roided, literally roided up Pantomime. But yes, the

bloodiest eyes is um judge jeffries his court traveled around the west country steel chair yes he brought his own steel chair to the events yeah his court traveled around the west country and that 1400 prisoners were sentenced or dealt with 300 were hanged most of them being also drawn and quartered and gibbeted. Wow, that is an incredibly high figure for both of those. 8 to 850 were transported to the colonies, basically into slavery, and most of the rest died of jail fever,

which is typhus. Is that the same as typhoid? Right, not just being very enthusiastic about jail no they were very enthusiastic bad sanitary conditions yeah it was it were grim in there i don't like the sound of this guy no judge jeffries he was a real wrong and now can we do a post-credits montage or it's probably a mid it's at the end of the film you know the one i mean it's got a picture of them laughing and then it sort of freezes and goes into black and white

and text comes up on the screen. I love finding out what happened to people after the film ended in the form of text. Bring that back. So, yeah, Winston Churchill classic, sired, a bloodline that included new Winston Churchill, Queen Lizzie II, Charles III, Lady Diane duke of monmouth lady

diane he was beheaded no one calls her that don't carry on carry on some some people might if they're inaccurate yeah duke of monmouth you know found in the ditch with a pocket full of peas ditch peas yeah he was beheaded in the tower of london on j July 15th after many blows of the axe. And it was Jack Ketch who did it, who you'll remember from the Punch and Judy origins. Oh, yes, of course. Eyewitness said it took about seven or eight blows to behead him. The Tower of London website says five.

They're probably trying to protect their reputation. Jack Ketch, another nice guy. No. He's everywhere by the time we're finished james ii on hearing william of orange was on his way to invade in 1688 so only three years later he fled and threw the great seal of the realm in the thames that's a wax seal i need to specify not an animal no because that would have blooming loved, exactly. But take to it like a duck to water. Or a seal to water.

A seal to a river. Like a rare rabbit to a briar patch. Yes. But he tried to run away to France. The seal would have been like, you fool, now my powers are greater than ever. He ultimately ran away to France. He was kind of allowed to escape.

And the next one in the post-credit montage is Judge Jeffreys, hanging Judge Jeffreys. was allowed kind of allowed to escape and the next one in the post-credit montage is judge jeffries hanging judge jeffries he was made lord chancellor by james the second in 1685 but obviously that only lasted three years because when james fled judge jeffries also had to flee and he was ultimately captured in a pub in whopping and the pub's now called the town of ramsgate which is confusing for a pub that. That's really confusing. But it's not the most confusing pub name. Another confusing pub name crops up in this story. It's half a mile away, also in Wapping,

and it was one of Judge Jeffrey's favourite pubs because you could drink a pint and look at the gibbeted pirates hanging from Execution Dock on the other side of the river. And that pub was called the prospect of whitby it's like daggerfall i don't know if you know the elder scrolls to daggerfall no but it's it had a very large procedurally generated or as we called it in those days

random map and i think what i don't know i think they got confused between the list of pub names and town names. So they had towns with names like pubs, and in that town there would be a pub named like a town. What? So it would be a pub called, like, Western Zoiland. Milton Regis. A town called, you know, The Miller's Arms. Just really confusing. Oh, that is very confusing.

Really confusing. The prospect of whitby though it's it sounds like it's named after a concept like you'd have a pub called the idea of scunthorpe the threat of carlisle judge jeffries was taken to the tower of london where he died not a pub not a tower a tourist attraction now And he died around 1692, probably in a lot of pain from a kidney infection. Oh, dear. Oh, well, but then we didn't like him.

No, he was the bloody Aziz's guy. Really awful. Oh, and a freeze frame on the person that discovered Monmouth in the ditch. Assizes. Assizes. Yeah, yeah. What's the farmer who discovered him on the ditch? Yeah, freeze frame on them.

He's back in it. Yeah. Their family fell into decay. And according to a letter written by the Earl of Shaftesbury in 1787, their house has fallen down, and it was with the greatest difficulty that anyone could be made to inhabit it. So there's sort of a bit of a curse there on them. And then there's like the post-post-credits bit, because this is the ghosts, because there's sort of a bit of a curse there on them and then this is like the post post credits

bit because this is the ghosts because there's ghosts okay so like if you wait past that to see if there's a little teaser yes past the credits so back in uh during already done grips and best boys and catering back during the bloody azizes in line regis 12 people were condemned to be hanged and the night before the hangings hanging judge jeffries stayed at the great house which stood on broad street and they say to this day his ghost still haunts the spot gnawing on a bloody bone oh like a dog yeah and there's loads of tales of Judge Jeffreys around the area because he was such a... So horrible.

Such a rotter. And in Sedgemoor Battlefield, that is meant to be haunted. And according to Friend of the Show, Folklorists and Legends of Britain, Reader's Digest edition, even today, the 1970s, the cruelty of that battle and its bloody aftermath haunt the memory of the West Country. The bitter spirits of slaughtered rebels are said to hang as balls of light over the battlefield, and strange shadows flit silently towards the River Kerry, where they disappear.

And there's ghost horsemen with cloaks flying in the wind, ghostly troopers, and even Monmouth himself fleeing through the Sedgmore Lanes. Wow. Yeah. In the late 19th century, a farmer, you can do the voice, I'll give you the line. Okay, okay. He said he heard on the moor someone he took to be drunk

shouting, come over and fight. I heard on the moor someone I took to be drunk saying, come over and fight. That's very good. Don't be wrong. Say come over and fight. That's very good. He was standing at some distance that far, Muth. Yeah, he was still in the field. I tried to imply he was one field over. So there was one of Monmouth's followers was renowned as being really good at running

and he was promised his life if he could outrun a horse. So he was tied to a horse and raced across Somerset and the horse did actually tire before he did but his captors broke their promise and hanged him anyway oh yeah his ghost haunts near western zoiland you can hear you can hear the sound of running feet and pounding hooves i should think he'd be pretty annoying john plumley the lord of locking manor fled and hid probably in one of those little false cupboards we've talked about before but his dog gave him away and he was hanged

did he take the dog in with him no and his wife picked the dog up and plunged to her death in the locking well and her ghost still carrying the dog is is sent to haunt the district. She told us the dog died as well. Well, the dog was a snitch. Yeah, fair enough, fair enough. Snitches don't get treats. Yeah, so that's... It got spooky in the end. It started off as a history lesson. Very spooky, yeah.

And a load of ghosts. That running ghost, though, that's pretty spooky. That is good, yeah. Well, think of the next time you're enjoying a pocket full of peas count your blessing yeah or gnawing on a bloody bone yeah or plunging into a well clasping a dog yeah or being grassed up by your dog yeah think on think on so are you ready to score yes the story of the hanging judge ghost.

Given that we're doing the scoring and we've just talked about the ghost, I'm going to start with Supernatural. Okay, well. Well, that's a location of one of the ghosts. You got me there. Okay, so that's one point already, just for a ghost who fell into a well. There were loads of them. There were absolutely loads of ghosts,

but they were not evenly spread throughout the story. You put them all in right at the end, like the little bit of chocolate at the end of a cornetto. Yeah, that's great, isn't it? That's a good thing. Which is the best bit of a cornetto, yeah. It stops the ice cream leaking out. It has a practical purpose as well.

I stopped too much facts leaking into this podcast. All right. By bunging it up with ghosts. You've persuaded me. I'm inclined to give you into this podcast. All right. By bugging it up with ghosts. You've persuaded me. I'm inclined to give you a four there, I think. Not even Little Ghost of Monmouth with a pocket full of ghost peas. A ghost pocket full of ghost peas. The ghostly peas.

Now they'd be frozen peas wrapped around a cornet. Yeah, no, that's not so good. So stick them with four? Fine. I'll stick with four, thank you, yes. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, no, that's not so good. So stick them with four? Fine. I'll stick with four, thank you. Yes. Okay, then. In which case,

I'm going to say my next category, which is naming. Western Zoyland. Hmm. Western Zoyland. Great. Hanging Judge Judy. Great name.

William of Orange. That was just briefly mentioned. William of Orange. Which is just a funny name. We haven't mentioned him. The famously uncontroversial but hilariously named historical figure, William of Orange. Who was married...

I think he was Charles... His mum was Charles I's daughter or something like that. That was his claim to the throne. The Duking Days. The King of Taunton. King of Taunton. Yeah, great. King of taunton king of taunton yeah great king of taunton the the bloody the bloody assizes aziz's no aziz's i'm sure i've assizes assizes assizes because there's a

sigh in there because it's not as fun as it should be the bloody assier sizes. The bloodier sizes. The Rye House plot. Yeah, I think it's a sly five, I think. It's not one of the ones where it's full of absurd names, but there's a lot of copies in there. Alistair, I think you've forgotten the town of Wapping with the pubs, the town of Ramsgate and the prospect of Whitby. Well, I'd already given you a five. Well, I just wanted to say that it was a good five as you've...

It was a solid, solid five. As you've proclaimed before, why aren't there capital numbers? Because that should be one. I don't remember ever saying that, but okay. It's a capital five. Maybe I read into it the idea that you're proclaiming it or lamenting it but you did say are there such things as capital numbers well there should be maybe you just said there should be and you know what you're right i was

right i was right don't remember saying it but very wise my next category is bloodier sizes Bloody assizes. Oh, they were, weren't they? Weren't they just? Flipping heck. We've sort of teased the hanging judge. He's kind of cropped up as a bit part in some of the other West Country tales that we've talked on. But he's really come into his own here. I like courtroom drama. But whenever you hear about the assizes,

it's always like testimony from a goat. It's always some drunken aristocrats getting away with murder. It makes me annoyed. I want a sort of Atticus Finch character, but there never is. It's always, it's just corruption. Yeah. All the way to the top. And locals, yeah, getting killed it was although

in this case the the you know the ringleader did not get away with it he was beheaded at the tower of london with somewhere between five and seven blows of the axe oh yeah yes yeah and that is pretty bloody that must have been bloody yeah Yeah, and all of the people... Okay, the people hanged wouldn't have been that bloody, but many of them were drawn and quartered. And we both know you cannot reasonably quarter someone without making a bit of a mess. No, you cannot do that humanely.

No. So it's a five out of five for bloodier sizes. I was going to say his ghost was also gnawing on a bloody bone. It's a five out of five for bloodier sizes. I was going to say his ghost was also gnawing on a bloody bone. It's a five out of five for bloodier sizes. Those bloodier sizes. I think the final category just has to be my dadness, really. My dadness? My dadness.

Okay, okay, your dadness. My dad-killer, which sounds more and more like Dracula. Yeah, you're a great, obviously a great dad. Good laugh. Yeah. Fossils. Knows all about history, sort of. Usually gets it 90% correct.

Grubby history, grotty history. Yeah, the cool stuff. But yeah, the stuff with all beheadings and peas and everything. Pockets full of peas. And it turns out I've got a ghost child, it seems. And you're even looking after a ghost. So, yes. It's going to be kind of rude for me to give you less than a five.

Yeah. For being a dad. Yeah, it would be, wouldn't it? It would suggest that I don't have faith in you. This has been quite a highly scored episode, hasn't it? Yeah. How do you feel about a four? Yeah, I could do better.

Could probably do better. Could probably do better. Could you? Okay. Well, I think a five out of five for Dad. I mean, look, there's so many world's best Dad's mugs out there. I've got two. You've got two?

I've got two. That can't be accurate, can it? No. There'd only be one of those mugs if that was accurate. I'm going to say four, room for improvement. Spend more time with the living

instead of running out after a ghost just uh just quick side quick sidebar if you are doing the last post do do make sure it's an actual bugle is very disrespectful to do the last post on a beagle but it would sound a little something. Can't be good for the beagles. Can't be good for the player. It can't be good. the player it can't be good everybody loses that's war so was it worth it yeah yeah we got there in the end didn't we a couple of ghosts

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