LOS MAFIA PODCAST ⭐️ - Con una FOTO doy con TÚ UBICACIÓN — Hacker "Debug"

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

Trajimos a un "Hacker" de los "BUENOS", pongan atención pa' que no se les duerma.

Levada, be welcome to a new capitulo of his new chapter of the mafia

and we're to thank you guys a invite of a great that's a

little to share a little of some a little

of a little and you know you're in the

title it's to you're to you're so you're

very you're being he's dedicated I'm sure that much of you have to feel like

greg, whew, the Jorni, cached the question that I wanted I'm doing this bata and my

little, I'm sure, that's that intelligence artificial programed in your Cerebramated

it, grabtel well, here these bergues that are here present, water

I'm here going to know, what I'm how is? How is? How is? Carlos,

a pleasure to be the day of today in your podcast. I'm not know I'm not sure no.

Oh, I'm not. Oh, oh, but you know that you're from the ram good,

well, supposedly. Because a berga that's me, that's me, that's me that's been

being a pinch corriente too, no. How? We're, we're, now we're,

now we're we're we're doing we're so we're Animo, totally. Totally. Never did you a travisurita

for there to to give you. Well, you know, a lot of one is a question. What is going to?

What, what is it? I'm going to be a vulnerability in a site of, of, in the

presamos, in the that changing certain parameters in the URL to give access to

the identifications of the people that have solicited a presto. not only the identifications

but also photography of their domicilios so fiftate the little that is all the mother

loco or so that let's let for example no if we

we're going to get to one we're going to be a very there's many

questions and many there if you you did you

Well, now so, you might as could have what you would have been the information of the people.

Sure, or even hackier the cargeros not to make them to get them to make them the H.O.

one leader of bandied Revolution Team. Oh, cabron. And that still existient, wheying.

Bacier bancos, vacuars. It's still existing. It's still not so strong

as a moment of the bandiode Revolution Team. but still there members

active but that's that's for example no I imagine that the

government well the government when that was going to this type of things

he started to be like for that it's how

it's like strategies for yeah to try to that

not and why why still why it's for

one part the corruption, not? So, these people,

with all the quantity of money that they're to get to get to they're in the cargeros,

you think they're to pay them to pay them to make to the bad, so, so, and not

only only so that these people, in specific of bandio Revolution Team, well,

they're alliances with the mania. So, imagine s the power that they had.

Oh, way, no, you don't know to do fear to

know that's things and that in some you can get to

a person bad and you go you're going to work for a man.

Well, see that for a side, and by the telegram

you know in telegram one can be an anonymous and send a

message no. We know we're our communities there

and me have made messages like of proposals of

the of, oh, propests of Raras, that one maybe is the suspect,

what on. For example, oh, I could you could be to get the geolololization of a

device? Yes, so, of the power, I can, but I do I

do a good, I, now I'm, I, now I'm to get

to to be a thing, no, to maybe that they do this

person, or even me have have recommended recommendations of dispositive strange that

sometimes you're like a person will want to an inhibitor to see a is something

is something and that type of solicitudes extra and what is your response or

not you don't I don't I don't I'm to get

to not now now Yeah, And figure that that

that that's specifically it's specifically it's they're like I

can localize this telephone but to what I know

you can do you do you do or if it

can but many so much they do do the

inside in the company teleph for example of

Telcel of Movistar So these people, who are the famous insiders, what they're

at the more they're in discontentto with the company or simply they're to get more more money.

And they say, no, well, so if you pass the data of the localization or the

data of the property of the number of the phone and you, you know,

and then they're they're not and they're not, and they they're

they're they're to work with the company of that that the, the, the, the,

some, some, some, some, the people can have access to

localize to the phone but I don't know with the, with the, with the,

with the, with the, exactly, imagineate that a burg has been,

and because has passed many times, that's that's they're in the

domicil in Kulakan, passed, of that they've been they, not who has

been, but they're in a house is the government and says

there okay, they say, no, it's that it's not, it's not the

fact of the government no see if they're the thing they're they're

because Telcel Movistar are private and to get to the more

at the more, it's to put in the information, right, to the government

too. So, so there's so much meters to do more or with the localization

of that telephone. No see if it's so it's like. But there's a technique that now with the intelligence artificial you can it

it's a much. There's a software that is a geospy that's that uses intelligence artificial

to be localizing for media or of photographs. It's just for example I'm

you right to take a photo and at you see a a little a

more a house and for the data I'm the image to this software and

you can geolocalize the the way where you you're a way a more

a reference of the color of an or if appears some an

an an an that's good good things that

there so that that that that that for

example no before that if you use the Google

Maps all that the mother of the location of the people

just the people just that's no that's there's a cargand and you

pass a car and you know a caronet abandoned with a sign of

a thing of a penes and just that now that's a

car with camera I'm what you can't try it there I don't

if you can you can't there up and that

that's the location. No, you know, how he's that matter?

That's the apparel is the company, the company of Google because it's connected

directly with the satellites, not, for mapia. But with this software that I mentioned to

geospy, no, so with any, with any with any whatever telephone,

you know, many many times one or certain people they don't a selfie,

no, in a restaurant or out of your house, or out of the barberia, et cetera,

no. And by this software for you can geolocalis with a person with a person.

So, that, for example, I've a little I've done a pletica with a

gringo and me said, I'm I'm sure perfectly that, that, he said,

no, is that, right, you see a, you know, your rest

social and I can you can be able to get into my man, I'm

you know, we're we're not in the world and we're the things that

enough to do that a person, that obviously we're really, and I mean, I

have seen I've seen you know that in the red social you, you take

a photo and you're taken to a part or you're going to put to put a location and

the chingada, but how it possible that this information that

you're talking, you be so so that's a

way, because now if you imagine an an an

person that's a photo or a photo a selfie, are

to do with that or no? Yeah. Now, now so, if I

take a photo, and in my back, then you there's a

there's there has been some detail that that appear

in the maps. Yeah, in the Maps, in this case the map that's

incorporated, what you've seen the software of Geospai, no? That should be a map actualized

because many times one does buskars by the Google Maps, but

you know, but you let's a mapeos of 2013, so 2015, something, something,

but it's a cabron is the rooo. Yeah, no, no person has a

privacy just, just standing in a quarter with with the walled

because if you take a photo out of your house you know, you know, you're

yeah, you're going to enchufed correct yeah yeah, so just a pinche

selfie, fiftate no more the those a selfie in a part

where there has been a part of the pinci car guango that

that I yeah yeah yeah yeah What can you can't, what can you

can't, what you can't, that's somebody to be able to goy, fiatte, no, because I'm

talking, we're talking that one person that's that's not, to be able to go to a quite

to do that to make a photo, submit it, and then it, way? No,

what I'm do you do you're that's that, they're in the after

because, you're in that they're, because, But if there live? It's that,

well, if there is there, then definitely I'm recommend I'm not I'm do you know,

subas, do you know, you know, you're saying you're, to be a what I'm refer to,

well, that is, it's something really preoccupant, way, because, for example,

the people who are to to share to share it a little or much, for that other

people inspire in them. No you can't do it. Because it's a

person who is a personer, you know, that's a bado, quitter to do that a fairia,

etc. etc. Or, for example, when the people get to go to

go to I'm in Capulco, I'm up photography selfies to my Instagram but that's

like to say to a person malintentioned you, well you know, you know,

that I'm going to to go backcations, to go to rob a my house. So, what I see, I'm going to take selfies in the play, in a restaurant, in a cafe. There's up, they're going, after. And then a lot of course. And then, you know, way, yeah, that's so we're doing. It's a good thing. Well, a great part, yeah, it's just, way. For all the other than the injusticees that are going to. But you're just putting the geolocalications in the Instagram. to that point we've gotten to get out because fiatte

I I'm a a like a one one you know

you you know you put you put your your location yeah

you see that that's exactly exactly so so

Instagram is of the United no yeah yeah

okay you you think that Instagram did that

that that actualization to make an objective or for what he is? I think for

those that you're of those you're in the user's with who interact you on Instagram who's

about you like to armar the convivency not supposedly but the fact I don't do I don't

do it for privacy for security obviously and I recommend to the people that are

doing this that they don't they're because it very that's that's

that not use in Instagram or that that's a function that's

a way to do a way to do to

TikTok of Facebook and of WhatsApp that that that you

put there to not use that doesn't not use that's

like to use the application one once and the verga always

and and it appears never to use. I see I have all the applications.

Yes, not rastry because I I'm going to this mad that's man, what I'm because I

think I'm I don't know how you know, you want to you want to think you're the ram of the

technology of the applications there's there's a there a fund that's about

that has been. For example, of the applications that we all know in Instagram,

Facebook, X, et cetera. The people mention or there was a rumor of that

the apps not as spian. The apps activate the microphone, activate the camera,

etc. But honestly, when one one's when one's the Facebook

or the Twitter, one is accepting the terms and conditions. So, So it's there when one

firm the contract for that the application, or in this case, meta, can obtain access to your information. Activar

your camera, activate your microphone, to your, to your, to the images, photographs, et cetera.

All for to make a experience of the userio, no, is what they are they're and you

suggest that, or what other option there? Well, the other option is that, well, not have their social. That's what I'm

to go, you know, if you don't accept, no, but not you don't you install it? Correct.

Oh, la, bad. It's the webb, well. A ver, my, Debu,

never you have, as, as a proposed to do a applications that where the

people, not could be a way, like these that's, that we're talking.

No. More than if we have focused more to do software for cybersecurity of the

companies. Like a kit that can display to to reinforce their cybersecurity

and how how confiar? Because I do you do you don't the software

and you have access to, you can have access to that mother. How

confi? confi in a person that's selling the software that

knows all the things and all the stuff, to do you to work

to imagine this. I'm a company private I'm

a software and I have my accounts bank all

the Meneo how I to you? All this

this this process is is through the contract

of confidentiality. And also we We have now so now is a

organization Mexican of hackers eticos and actually the organization international

of hackers and experts in cyber security and then my mark of the Buxack

Enterprise we have we have reputation that we respond and we can we are

we're to get us on the side of the good and protect to the business

even to the government. Okay we're to pass the part of the government

government what is what has the most passed of you have

you have paid and that you have not you have given

that you give that service fiat that that

that we don't not not we don't because at

my lemma is that we we we're we

we refourable we we we're we and we

we we we we we we we we

we just because with the government always now we have to give to relucing our

our good reputation as a company. You think you you're like you

doing the doing the in the hacking you think that they're

that they're living under a monopoly or no it's

very good question you think the government is that the

or you're on on you're on how in the sense in the sense of that

in the security of to say my hitho a bit the government is a whole

but I'm not me can't control because I have the tools that they

that they they're that you do you and for so so I don't

I'm I'm I'm I'm access to all they're they're

not they're not I can't back to flot this, this,

and this, but. Well, yeah, they're jackeated. Yes, is what

you know, but you consider you consider you do you consider you do with a

monopoly or no? Yeah, I think yeah. Why? Um, under the

monopoly of that then, well, much of these companies, well,

what I say, no, the part of the government, many of the other times,

like they are more codos, no, for the thing of the costization that a

other than one does they're in, and as they're like, no, we're not,

we're our specialists, and the commas, for what we're we're to get

someone but honestly, but the specialists that they're not are efficient.

And that has been because, I can I can't that I have been have been hacked

of all the states, municipalities. And, why you think you have been

hacked because they're in cybersecurity because they have systems inefficient,

desactualized, and many times the personnel that they're not are incapacized. But,

but, so, that's it's be, or say, from,

but, with what reason, with what what to the government. What do you think

that they're doing to or what? Borrary the name of a buskado or is what I imagine

for. Fiatte that's yeah, many years, I think this was in the 2005,

for there. It was the first hacker that vulnerable the site of Presidency. And,

well, of the fact, was, the member of a racial Mexican, of a

group of a school, no? Okay. And they it was they did

do so so I'm going to take my coffee's and I'm

to check to the government for me let's get to the

cause my ego for my but actually but

there there many there some of cyber malotes

that they do do get to get to

get so that information of the platforms of the government. For example,

what you you have done you that some hackers have been made of information of government

that I imagine that should do you have information very but very delicate that the government

has to have to have to the patty but if no to mar this hacker

valio verga with you with the clavo and you was

being the information in what type of information has had

you you have have been hakeed carcels in Mexico. They've been exposed

the numbers of the prisoners, have hacked al-Sat, they've hakeed out even to

the CFA. So, they're going to go to big, no, with information

that's very simple, but, for example, the Cedena, the of the Wacama

Yallix, which is one of the cases more the case of the

fact of the fact that was many terabytes of information

of the Cedena. Now, now imagine in what going to do you know, this

information of the government, probably in the management in the organizations

criminales. Information of militares, information is very sensible. For example? Of

contracts. Information of contracts, information of the militarys. that, that,

that, that, that, that, for example, no, I'm going to create a

one, well, I'm, then you're to get a lot, because, look,

we know, we know, we've got, we've, every one of those, to do you think that

that's, that's, that's so, I think, yeah, because, fiat, that,

imagineate to have, to have all this information, in how not it can't

$4, $5 million of pesos or a million of dollars and a more than a

organization criminal that has now so much a great much economy,

no, has now so that resources illimitables can pay that that kind of

and obtain that information and now now, then having the information sensible of the

military's imagineate that they can't be that's preoccupant man?

Or say any the government not you know, I was francis.

Yeah, there's there. Yeah, that's that I'm the problem for this

I'm not the way, imagineate that they have the information of those obscura

of government that you do you can't do this way can't say this of us

and that is a very problem well, the bankos that have hakeed

but I do the ram of government or of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the presidents. Yeah, of those, of those, of those, of those persons.

Oh, yeah. And, and, and, and, and, I, I think that there are people around of those people, of those presidents, that, I'm afraid to say that are people, no, say, we, extraterrestre, no, I know, is a rollo my, well, that's I've taken, I've really I've

learned and I've made a question of many, I think I'm sure that I'm

there's possible, boy, of that there's there's over over

that that people that control the country that's controlling to them. Well,

in that information of Guacamaya Lix came out came information about about

about about how was manage the circle of security

of the ex-president Lopez Obrador. How they said to the wife,

obviously all by the little to say they they said clave-tall, to the

ex-president to the president, he said, and there is a information of his

circle of security. You have been a lot of this, of what was

Guacamaya? Yes, but no, no, no, I don't have said, this type of

things. So, that they hakeered the government and they they're

to relucing that information we're partecitis of information still the most the most

not so and how what can be the most the most the most

the most like you mention of the militares or yeah of

ex-presidentes like Lopes Obrador no for example of his

exceenio that is something very very even for

there also there's information and intelligence that's the

government to organizations criminal in Mexico and is

something very very very and well it approximately

or some various media to be getting information

exclusive of that Lick of Wakamaya Licks but right

those that those that have that and formation of Wakamaya Lix, well,

they're very recognized. Like they those who are. Who are people?

Like, like, personality is like Carmen Aristeye, more or that

type, well, that's, now, so, that's the range of, of,

the rando of, okay. A, god, pad, no, could be

there, the true, even those of the millennia. You think that

this type of hackers have hackeded the government also I think

don't need they're money, so if you did it's a mal imagineate all what

they're doing to do to be to have money and that has

seen in the real no, that, that, that for example, a

case a very sonado has many years that I know that

hacker were and they were they cuted many

many many many many verga. I think that those people who

hakewere to the government, you can have that so facilit but I don't

what is what they are to be to be or if yeah that's

that's he's unjust something we know we suppose one of them

on the car in a transit he was he was he was he

did you don't you don't you don't you

your placas are so venceded and the verga way, it could be able to

make a $1,000 $2,000, $3,000, no, but he did you in the ego

to be that he said, no, this pendejo me will pay, and all the

money, and trucous trucs, tracac, trac, trac, trac, tomandos

to a office, and he's and he he's, and he , right? Yeah.

Yeah. What, what, is the what you have asked to an anecdote,

but I'm I feel that there is a much more interesting. Jaquer to the Suegra. A the Suegra. To the Suegra. Or even, uh, uh,

rastrear a, to, a, a, a, a a pairha, no, that's he was for, well,

a party that took, um, pleito and, well, the, uh, the, the,

the, the, the, the, uh, the, and the person, me

said, oh, I'm very worried, this, I don't if you

can restrear here to my because he went in the madrugat

us we're and we and we know of him. So, is it's

a is a complicated. And I so, for example for that for that

said, this person me said, this person me said, because he

didn't a good relation with the suhria. And, And then I wanted to

I'd to get to hecker to his account to make sure about about him

in the social things so that's so that and so and for example

there way there in the case the the the so

how you you can you can you're saying that's that's

talking to you you you have to put to put

The major part of the hackos are exitosos by the media social, by the manipulation to a person.

How is that? Or so, for saying, no, in this case, of the that'sue that was

there was there about things negative of this person in Facebook, I'm I'm going to

be able to someone known of this person, the, of the, of the,

that's being a person, and that now in a amistat well, and then

also I'm at the same time also like, no, no, well, so,

he's a he's an, he's an this, or he's this, platicame for private

what was what you did, or tell me more about him because I also I

think I'm a certain resentment or certain something or certain thing,

person, in this case the Sueger, you can go aflohando more information.

Okay, so, is, it's like, how's it's like, how's it like,

let's get to get a sapa, the sheora. But, but, well,

it's that this woman no has your profile, or so, how you

you're going to know, that's a mother, you know, to the person for that you

is doing to to hackier other other red social of a

person that yeah has to be and I'm do

I'm do know I'm in this case of the person

that was being that my I can investigate

for example your profile of Facebook in his

friends people people interact and I'm I'm another

other profile with photographs similar and so that

that that to do you use I use much to infiltrate in groups of cyber

malotes in Telegram. And then I just I'm to make to the engineering

social for that they give an information to me. Like if I was

to your clan and it's this confidence and even I've puted

to infiltrar to to the groups more exclusive

of them where only only are those are the

only Oh, DeBug, I have a question personal for you. Consummes some substance? No. No.

No. No. No. Sure. Okay. Why not? Because for this you have to be at

100. Not at 100, the million. You have to start the million. Always with the mind all the time.

No, you can't be there's good because if in some operation that in this case, we're doing

contra the cyber malotes we do we do we or we

we're in- giving some that's something very difficult because

these people we're we're we're we're we have

not we have made many messages of and now

so even even even even even even even

so what is what is your reaction well first one he's like

like, it's another a manasse or is another other message of the odio more of hate and you know

is to get a kind of to get a one of the thing, no, if he's

or so you're you're so you're so you're but you get going the time,

it's you're doing you know, you know, you don't take attention because that's something

that's something that they want to to be to be to make the attention. Incluso, there's a Chilangolix,

that they have even got to notas in the periodical and they have seen in different

and it's what I'll say to my companyer, fiatte, the group of the group of Rasa

Mexican, that also they were to call the attention to not, for not, for that

so, for that they're not, to get to problems with the law. And this

and these people what do they're to do you see in in primary plan in in the

media and I think I think that's something that they're doing, to call our attention and

we're doing to get us for media of the media and that the people also

and the people can't get more audience, more people more people of them. And it's

what we we're not we're we're we're to incentivize to get to

for the side of the way of the thing. See, I've got to

the question about the social first, first, no, why you prefer

or why you decide to show to do? If you do you do you do you

can't put in risk your life to the to the family?

Because because I'm the verga I'm going to go to do

photos and videos and the chingada. Fiatte that is something that I

have noted in the podcast that's that's that many people

say when when I see a hacker with mask says

I say, that he's that I get a me or when

a other other colleague without that's that's no is

that's not that's so it's like one we

we we We're hackers, not we're criminals. Okay. If you're

to do it to do you, but also also there's the other part of you're doing, that's the way, that's

that they're that's that they're in the they're in against you. It's a cyber-girra,

this. And, of the actually, we've haven't been months of cyber-girr intense.

So, we've done the site of our organization, the site web, we,

us made an attack of the denial of service, a negation of service, that basically in what consists of this type of attack, is in mandar petitions to the servitors web, and to sell it

to reventing, and so much a lot of what happened with the site for the for the declaration of impuestos, not recently,

that's a callio and it was unaccessible. Practically us passed the same. But as we're now, is the ability

the part of the Blue Team, of defense, we could resolve it for the through certain regals of

Cloudflare, that is to counter-rest these types of attacks informatics. Giatte, after

this question, that why you, if you did you, if you do you

do you appear in social? Yes. What? What I'm a hacker? No,

I'm a cybermalote. but even so I'm so I think that there's a other

more more than if you do you do you do the work well

but also there's the bad to you because even

so even knowing that they can do doing

because you do you do you in in in

in in in in in in things because

because thanks to many many many times good opportunities of work.

For that reason. But even. But even still can you can get? Without

without you in public? Yes, but we know, that's like an an support.

And, well way, we do do this we're to make to get a

person to that go out of a good way to a hacker etico, and exhibit

to the cybermalotes. Okay. For that many chavos that want to

for that bad way and to show that you're people, you know, they're in

autoes to look, much money, but one like a hacker etical, you know,

has a company, and can get a good car, to have a good a good

money, so, because, because you that's that, that's, that's, so,

where you know, you know, who you can't, you know, your family, your

father, your, or, or with the people that you do,

Well, this Yeah, of the values that one they inculcate of the money to get a correct and not they're robing

or notarreing. Okay. That's good, eh? Yeah. It's very very good. It's just,

it's just, it's just, he was playing, but, uh, well, there's, there's,

there to do to all, no, that's the part good and part mala. Even if you v. Bollies,

it's, it's, it's, that you top is a berg that vending but that you don't

want to you know, I'm going to get you get to get to him more more than

he's a can-a- man. There's a other question. He's here

why, the other bad not to not to to be to have those

things materiales that they can be in a moment of a

a moment of a carasso a lamb car of your car of your dreams,

a house of your dreams, of this to have various and I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm because I prefer I prefer I think I'm think

to be doing being without and think if somebody

of my team of cyber malottes me tryions me

put how he he one the one of the

one of the team he he put And, and for the

way, now so, now see, that's to be to be not

to the police. Yeah, but I'm relaxed, I'm took to know

of a story of a person that that that that way because

that way was to do to do you but in the part mal then the

part to rob and that he that he he needed to make perico,

to make a substance to put her to get a conciency to evadir the way the way,

he needed to go- to dockito to do the travesuras but when he was he

was going with ingat you, the thing, how is the verga how you

see what with that with this thing of the substances is, so about

much of the LSD that supposedly you have your mind to another

level and then I've known that I've made, I'm I've

made a a quadro of LSD I'm put to hacky to program and and I

do things very wonderful marvellousas program like like but

programming or for things good for things good and the tools

very good for pen testing for hacking etc and then they're they're

saying they're so they're so your mind to get to another

level like the the intellect I don't know the pench and

I'm in what in what moment what you what was

what was what was going in that instant of your

life that you said way, I can do this? I know what I'm

what was going what was what's you're in the you're doing what you

did you know the I'm I'm a badger I think that's like from those 17 years.

An a master me of the prepa us was imparting

the matter of security informatic and he was he was he was

he was the types of the hackers, the types of informatics, and then was in this time

also about much about anonymous. I said how is they can do this?

How is that they can obtain information of political of a level?

And geolololosations and all that type of things, no? And I

metia there internet, me books, to investigate about this, study.

And, and for there was where I went when I went and I know, a little to

a way independent. Still, I don't I took, I courses, but

let me pass about practically all the night studying, I was not dormia.

And I had much ideas energetic to want to the nightes.

So, So, all that was what me did now so,

now is to be very good actually, because, practically I studied

all the days. Lear, practicate at the computer with laboratories,

in the inton controlled, et cetera. Your officeina, how is?

How is your office I mean, I'm refer to you, you this

detail here, the adorned So I have TENKINGOs, I've got many monitors, what is what

has your office? We're in the hackers we're a bunker. Okay. So,

there is where we we're the most part of the time, the day, the night, when it's

necessary and there's a job and there's a computer, my computer, I have a user Predator,

those computers don't know like 70, 000 people, get to value to get to

are very good people. We always we're we're we're going to the fact of the

reason for the reason why very potent and I'm my book of my biblioteca of the

books of an editorial that's a general a new X Word that'ser

that are books written by hackers very recognized in Europe that

actually are actually are our are our people and this And now

so they're going to do you know, for example, sell in books of pen testing and

it's the version one or the version two. What is pest testing? Penn testing. Pen testing.

Pentesting is the proof of penetration to the systems. It's so we we attack us

for posteriorly create a report that is the person to the encarguards

of the systems. And, of this report we said, you know, you know, you know,

this this a good thing, we're in, there you have to be a beled you know

you're not you're you're you're to have to my style for salus what was

what was the difference at the day of today because in this time I was not I

could pass days in not out of my house energetic and start

and all that all that was all after that came a moment

in the I was controlled very my mal of the pressure arterial for the

time of the life of the energyics, much time a caffeine, muchsacacac and I'm the doctor

and my family spoke to me said, oh, yeah, what on what's going to what's going,

so it's not it's not it's doing, so it's that's that's but it's

but change your style of life. And, was there where I got the

role you too? You're you? You're so you're obsessionarse.

A way, to all the people, listen me what I'm going to say, there's there's

that they can resisting a little more than other, but none resisted more than

the babyes energy, that that's that's with the time,

way, you know, you know, you know, the badderer problem that you

will cause in a in a in your body, the

your carousin. Or your your your your I've seen

I've seen many people here in front you're one that you can't

be able in a very energy a coffee super cargated no

you can not you can't not you can not you're in those

those portions of the no no no no

no no no no no It's a pincher that's a man that's

that you can't it's a with the time it's going to affect a borgal I'm I'm feeling to be able

to be because sincerely I'm a moment where you you you have to

have to have to say oh no I'm I'm Humann, so loquean, they're

doing energy and coffee, so you what? In a future? You know,

what, you're to think they're to be able to be not to be not to

you're depending on a substance because. I go a substance in general, it can be

the you know, and then then the anxiety that you produce, no

you're not you don't don't you don't you're so, you

And, of actually, I actually, I I'm a about a about the

things about the things about the I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not. And the

he said, he's to consume it because that's like to get a line. What's

a bit? Tell us. Quintan us how it was a, a day normal of the

bug in his bunker? In that time, I was I was I was I was to

a preparatory and a master that was also the material of the

media informatics us we'd just practices no of Cisco

and we said they're at the time to send me and it's pure a

practice so all what is all the thing you have to be the program to

I don't so I don't so I'm no I'm to send me to and you

I had I'd I'd I'd I'm I'm now, I'm going to

get to get to do you to get to do you know, you know, you've

got to one? Yeah, me had taken one. One, of what? The monster.

Andy, Berga. And, and you gocha, and let mecochabas and let me gochable,

I said, that you know me had, I don't, I was, I felt that

now so I did ballas. You tronable? You tron to the pastillana. And yeah

I was yeah, I was there the computer investigating, putting a proof, no,

in a laboratory controlled and me again to take another and so. How?

How? I think one of one three. Oh, perga way, that's that matter

is a little? But I took one in the morning to I'm

to Like, it's like, I'm going to be with the day, I said, no, with the day.

The hell of my pa. How much time you've done so I'm doing it? Oh, pleads, no, what they're

doing the capit, put an berga. That's not, no, no, is a

reality. How's time did you're just so? And that you're done in the hospital?

What did? Like, from the 17 years to the 19, And, this, and, well, that this time, well, the morning

me dolea much the and the head and I was giving much anxiety. I mean, I was like, I was very agitado, very exalted. And, well, I went to the doctor, me gave a few nassies for the pressure arterial, to control me and all,

because at the hospital, I had the pressure for the the skyloss. I mean, and, so much a lot of a lot of

a lot of not could be able to be a little for the anxiety and I think

that is to the fact something that I'm going to the same. And I think it was a

kind of that's energy. And that matter that doesn't take

so easy. And if it is that it's that it quits, that

that's all that to let's a rasa, well, that no they're to get

to get the way. That mother no is good. With the time, you're going to

affect that. And the most culler is that's that's that's a not to be to be

to be to make a make a make sure, I'm sure imagineate to give to be the

mother this to study, study, dude. Your Cerebrough that's that mother

that's that's that's that's that way it's They said one I said,

I was very to go to to go to a gym machin, no, I'm

I'm I'm and I'm remember. And me he said a morrow

that he was he made, I'm I'm failed two

in the time. He we train to the Monday to

a and the and the time that I did you I'm I'm

way what? What you're what? You're why you're

you If you , I mean I'm going to you know, I'm going to make up

me just like I'm doing and the shit of the and I'm saying, no, I'm saying,

but look, what I'm what I'm doing much work, I'm saying. And the real,

I'm going to do you, because to do this work, and I'm to be, a bit,

is true? What I did this bat, boy? It's is certain? How is to be

to be to be to be to be You need to recuperate energy, his cerebr, that bag, your anxiety,

so, way. So, I suggest, that's, I'm going to drink of a chingue of

time and not do you do that you know, because, you know, because also you know,

you know, it generates a part of your life very very much really, like,

like, always, like, like, so, so, so, so,

so, so, so, leveled that mother, because if no you

do you you're going to go to go to go to go to do you

and so you're going to do you or how you know. That's what you

think of the dream is very important because without that's something that can be

to get to do a long plazo and well I in that time

I didn't not I was in the day. I was like a like a

vampire I'm I'm I'm with vets energetics and the day I'm a

and I'm why? Right, right? You know, you know, your time? Well,

fiftate that's one of the sequels that me gave also the vows the endosonor

chronic is something with what I battall and, and, and, and,

well, there we're doing it was you're the psychiatrist? Yes.

And And you recommend pastilas to do you, to generate dopamine, for that? Yeah.

And you have finished the process or you're still? Yeah, I'm I'm

and, and well, and now I'm more. And it's something that definitely

has been helped. I'm four hours now. Or how how many hours

do you in the night? Well, one six, seven hours.

Mm. There's, there, but the normal, the normal, according is one, no. It's the moment, way, that the pinch

Cerebr, the Cerebr, more than the thing, in this part of what you do you do, we, we're,

you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, for example, I'm used to to work on

the old, a me a, the, the, the thing of albañil,

me I'm much, I, creemel, because I grew, because I grew,

I, us did for other part where not

it's a time. That's never a way of the sun,

could be one of the part of the I'm no, I

don't want to go that for that but I

but I did I was I'm I'm so now

way that says no I don't I don't

I don't but we're we we're we sometimes

sometimes can't get a you're in your mind you get to your way and the only that

you're you're just you're just you're just you I think you the last the last

the last time was that I'm so I'm so I'm so I'm a day

at the night at the night of the house I I'm I'm

I'm to get to go to be to be to be I'm back

to get to up I I'm up man, way,

me, I'm like, I'm gonna' to my my mother, I'm gonna I'm gonna put to get

two, three palenques and I'm to do you to do that a verga I'm so I'm

I'm I'm you're you're man man. It's a bad

question but or so you're to be to the tortilla pa

no, no so no but but what that's so

one Well, I think that before was more a more a more now so I'm

my time rock star no, for so I'm yeah, but now,

but now, put a point a to put a thing to now, now I want a

really a relation nobio. No, soltero. How do you do you have soltero?

Well, yeah one that's three years more, I think.

And the last time that you that you that you're that

the machete no that's like that how what's it's

two years it's two years yeah no no afila

the machete but is that I don't I'm I'm so I'm so I'm

so that's that focused in my chama no yeah

and I'm no no I no I'm no I'm

no I'm What What's the I know that the profiles like You know, so they're

so can so on something that makes that not generate in that part then there's a better.

At the better in the bathroom you, making it doing it doing it simply

so. Because even one he has been a and it's like, no,

it's a man, simply it's a question that, I'm curious. I'm sort of maybe me, me,

I'm like, loquito in the questions and I I think you have you have seen

my profile before. We're a sometimes we're in context to the

people we're to get from the thing that's what you did

from the first this he's to support my my

kid so my my my I think I

to that per eh water air air air

air says you think that in I think no that's

never never always hacker ethical for the simple the

values yeah that that that it comes that

we suppose that not you don't you have

you and result that you end you a

problem way that put in risk your life.

And you have to enter to that part. If someone of my family would be in

risk or my husband or even I, then I would be another more than to

do it. Although it's something to solve now, now I'm the of my family and

the of my family and the of my family, but if if you have done you

these of the that clon are that's how's that term the term? The

of the carders. Hey, that's, that's, that's, that's, it's,

I'm very sonated no, I'm really, I'm really no, see, if for the security

or, or to this meneo of the, of the people who are you to do

to eliminate the mal for, for that all to be to be to be in questions

of the people, of your information, well, of your money too,

because you're also to protect your dinerito, protect your security, all that. So what information

us can you can't provide about this thing? Well, still active, that type of... Very active?

Yes, still yeah. All the Madre. Obviously, with techniques more actualized,

because there are banks, like, for example, BVA, that has the CV, CV,

that can be a So that's So that's So that So you add like a plus of

security for what you need to buys in line is where it's where more is

where the clonart targetas clon and there what pedo

that in the question that that you need to your FES ID to

to enter to the application how is possible that the people can

clonar even or not it can yeah The The

thing of Face ID is a is delicate because you

include your data biometricos and that someone now so that a

cyber malote has access to that's very very so

and how can access to that for example the

data biometric that they have to get to

get to have have been the attacks that have been

to obtain this information. Or even the NEN, no, the

biometrics deline, too. The area this way that can have

to, that can't have access to the accounts, what are the companies that most

receive in this attack? Bankomer BBBWA BVA Manamex and Sanander

HSBC Now, so the more most popular for so so I'm imagine for obvious reasons,

no. But why the other not? For that so because not they're

so because they're not so they're not to get their money so much well

they're because they're so much people relevant political people

people millionaria has has his accounts in Bancomer in Vanamex

etc and And, of actually, the H1, the leader of bandied Revolution

Team, he, he, he, he, he, he, he,

he'd how to pay to get to, of the, of the, of the, to hackkear the carers

automatic of vancomer. And, it was, this is my plaza, pegle to bankomer,

and nobody can't matter because me I'm, I'm done, no, I'm, I'm,

I, cabron. That was something corrie between voices that

the hackers, that that were that's because there was a case to one

that was to hackier to the casinos there in Leum Nahuato and this

person also began to peg to pick to get to and

the H1 is not in prison he he's he he is well

he is well he he was he was he after he after he was

that he And the H1 said, ah, well, they're going to pay to

get to go to get to go to do that and that was what what

happened. Fidate things so so things that that, well,

you, more than that are in that that is all kind of and you

know, and what, to be to be to be a question and

I want to me you I'm to this level that we

I'm way, then who then who has more power, we? Government,

the mana or the hackers? Jolle, is that it's a level of power impressive.

Because it's power, we, is power? And they work. And they can't say.

A la verga. Because the government of Russia has their hackers to attack

other countries. For example, right, the conflict that is against Ukraine.

are very used for the espionage and all this and here in Mexico no I do that also

there way for example there was a rach way that in States were that were getting

helicopters avions and the verga you you think that that that

that made of a part of a kind of some type of hacko or simply passed

because passed they're they depending if if they passed

for a a country conflictive, probably they'll in the same the United way, in the United it's

passed. I think could be something maybe. Because, way, that mary

never never seen seen that's way. For example, in Pakistan

where there was that an plane atterisar so was directly or

before to be to be to to go go, and where? In,

in, in Russia? That's going to the, how's the the, the,

of the tension, something, and that way. And that in the Caja

that's, that's bad the information, according to and it's destroyed. And it

says that those can destroy for nothing of, of accidentes

and nothing of that So, so. So the revelation never

said, way. That's it's like to be, a little, what's what's

what's what? And so it's a so I'm so see that

I have a known that he he by the computer and of a

and of an antenna can can be done and he

was in Syria And it was there where, like, like it was like he was like it

and he, in best of those inhibitors, that's like the military's, which is like a rifle.

Yes, in best of that's it, he does it does it, more effective than the inhibitor that

uses the, the militarys. Is Mexican that way? Yeah. of the actually he was a member of

a raza Mexican. Rasa Mexican was another group of hackers. It was a group of hackers of the

big school of Mexico. Yeah no. Yeah, no. Yeah, so now, yeah, so now,

so they're so they're so they're and then they're so they're like, um,

major of age, for so so they're saying, they're saying. Okay. And, and,

so, yeah, every single, so, etc. What is what does what is

a group of hackers that's they're doing to do the good in questions

of the people normales that they're to work in an office that they

are creating content that they they're to do to the narcos that's

that they are that's they're other ramas nothing to

this this you do do this, you know, as a what is the

difference? For example, no? The Hermes. I'm to put the Hermes because

he's a lot of the area of switcheo. He, at the maybe we're just

thinking in, I'm with a morra I'm going to eat a mariskito, I'm

to make a a servicita I'm to go. With the carinios there.

to something, or to be a waybong, simply. The webon, me refer to be able to be a costado

watching a series or watching TikToks, and doing that's what is the difference of you to

a person like this? Well, for example, that after this, I've got to this,

I have a to talk about a new contract to apply to cyber security to the systems. Or, I have a reunion with my

team of hackers, or I have another reunion with my company, who is my socio of the

company, to talk about future projects. Of actually, also what

we do we do we do we, we know, we a project that's called

the Haula of NU that's a podcast. And, we know we do we do do things

with events yeah, either of Mexico, of Latin America or even of Europe. And, well,

I'm focused much part of my time in to look those conversations.

Now, I think, all the days to be growing. No important that's

the end of the time. Okay. But that is because that's your

enfoque, you your your custom that's to the way you

know, but for example if you we're to ask to a debug

to his, I see 10 years more. What you think

what would? Well, I think that not not not that

essence of hacker, but you know more for the part of

the business but in some moment you think

to be going in, in, how it's the name that's,

it's that, is that I'm with the , with, with, that's,

that's, that's, that's, the, he, want to, want to want to,

all the morrion wants, a pinch car-so, to, and, to, and,

to, that, pisteing to a or you or you past that you know

like you like I mentioned earlierment like I feel I'm my time rockstar and I

know well I'm yeah me want to focus more and it was much time

well the really that I'm going to I'm like I'm like it's like

I'm really the things more I'm going to go over going to

get and I'm I think that's where there's the difference

way of a person that with with a custom customs basic

the net are super basic that's they're they're to be a

honey you you you want to you want to do you

that is you that you that I go I

pass for there and not that I try a

car so I try a good caras and

I really when a person when a person no mams, we,

only me is justragging my metas where are my dreams my dreams. And you and there

is where it's where it's the different that you you got to think that you

was a long that that's a question, like you ah la the borgue I don't

want to to be a bunker tuck tucu toc to be malandros

tuntum tumb tumbed tum bandol his meneo that also that's good

that's that everyone does with a cule a pampalote there another question

very good you think let me the let me the let me

let me say how you consider that has that has a and if

exists a limit what is the um the power of a you can

destroy the life so so so simple. So, you

counterattack a for example a person that's for example to do to my

family or something more more more more delicate if we can

you could. You could say a more with the information I don't

I think with with the information I refer to to do

do do to do to depend to other people

no you you, you, how you're going to destroy that person? Obviously you're to need to

other people. For obviously the reason that we're saying. But you simply

destroy them your reputation and and let me macarrot to his countes. Oh,

but if the I'm the little the chingada perro whoe never

did nothing? Well, there one is put to investigate in where peg her. Where more he dweller?

How? What is? For I say, some that he has, information that he doesn't

want to be public, because he could affect to a way very fair. Or, et cetera,

now, so one, so one, so you know, to put to investigate, for where where I

put to this, we're going to the horny, we, the horny. So, of what you know's of me,

you think that you can make a me? If I would have done a

with what you know you, you think you think you have something to make

to make to make to get your locations? Yes, but you,

you, no, not depend of other people, then, you. As,

As I say, to be able to your, to be able to obtain your information, contactos, images,

photographs, if you have your pack, imagine it. Well, I'll be able to be. And, plus more

things, no, that maybe can't come to make your security personal. How, how could you, for example,

you, I know this at the maybe, could be very easy for you, but at

the most the people, no idea, then nobody thinks, no, no, no, pedojo, no,

he's not, he's not, all of this can get to that's a how, how is the process? For media

social? Or so, the same the same that you did here with the suhria? So,

at the I'm saying, well, he's a person, no, but I'm going to pass

for a known to you, for a familiar, a friend, a friend. He

could do a color ID spoofing. That technique serve to do you to make

a lot of you know, I'm here you're you're to be a bankomer and it's

like if you're a call of the bank? That's so you do.

For so no contested in numbers that know know they're

they're put a truched. I all I've learned way

the neta. For tantas of cases that have passed that you know, you know,

for example, there's way, ago, why he's about about the number of a person

that was a person that was doing was a man, but I with the muchach

not had almost communication, way. And when me entered the way,

contested, but I'm so, but to me so me so it's

so rarer, and no contested of the form that I

normally I'm not he said and he's so, ugh. And he starts

but a voice like a robot, way, but with his tone of voice

and that I know that's what I said, no, and he I collued the borgue

to be I'm got to be taken, I'm more, I'm more,

no, And then, I was, at the five minutes me mark. Now, so,

she's the voice natural, well, as it and I'm again, I'm going to

say, well, and you, oh, hey, Jorni, what, what,

we're going, we're going, I'm, I'm going, I'm not I'm in the city, way,

you know, I'm, how no, me said, you know, you're, no, I'm,

I'm, he's, you're, you don't you mark. Oh, why me he said

that's a time and that's no, putte verga, he said, putte

verga, because I don't do you do you know, but as you can't

the voice like like like I, but I did I

keep the I did you go, I'm going, I'm put to

and I'm put to that I'm that's a that's that's that's that

can't get easy to identify that that that that's

real, then you can call from that person and you see the the number,

fulanita that's you make but the voice is going to hear different.

There is that's pendejo but it's here, but that's like it's kind of

has been attention to that's, he can be to discover that not is

a one of that person but they're controlling a yeah

correct. Or you if there a form to do a way to

the voice the voice the voice of the intelligence artificial can't clonar

the voice of a person even even I can do you in a

video call I can appear you and you know

and to talk with other person etc are

are things that can that can use for the

mal. And yeah, in a more advanced because every

this time this time of the thing of the technology is going to be advanced into

a pass many aggiant and then now imagine to do that's that's that's

that you appear in the telephone that's you're to be a clonor

of voice that utilice intelligence artificial could replicate the

voice of your mom. You think that no would there

that not your mom. Actualment there's a software? No, no. No. I mean, I know, I mean, I

know, I mean, I'm going to answer the call. It's complicated. I think that for so

also, um, also, um, also, um, the case of there's a form

without, no need to software, or nothing, but it's you know to put to put a much attention.

What is the person. Yes. Much attention. You have to know what words use to your mom. See how

how it's because it's because it's to be at the respiration way. Because that mother,

and I'm, I've done that that my mother not restri just, but, yeah,

da, la la la la. But, way, in a one way, in a

time, if you have you have been that you people who you're going to put to put up

much attention. And, this matter will be impor like you

will go to go more about you're going to but what

what what what did they're this pendejada way

of the intelligence artificial who who was the inventor and

why you think you you think you think there

there there there there many chat bots for a chat gp

and I think I think I that they did they're

a way to a way to to make to make a a world of information to the

can't you can you can't ask you and you go to answer without

to go to an expert or to go to a book or to learn a

book. But lamentably also also also is used for the

mal in the intelligence artificial but who who do

do? Well now so who does the, who does the negative? No,

yes, but, but I refer to the company that created the intelligence

artificial, you think they're that they have done with the reason? Or

to be a situation? Well, I think they're not, the things negative that could

get to to pass. And that CHATGP is a problem injection for that even

you're a question something you're to ask you don't know they're

having been having been in solution those books or those

little failures of what has been being being said with CHAPT

of Open Eye I I feel I that the cybermalote

still are with some injection more elaborated Well

is that that's you know, and if not they know they,

then they're in the programador that's a program to do the programs, for some

company that they're doing a medicine to counter-attac that system well. The

that creates the software has the facility to have the counter-attack of that

software. And a sometimes it's it's the man, way.

Because, because they're tracions in their equipment in their because they're

they're in they're doing they're they're going for the bad or and there's where they're

where the, the, the, of these of these careros automatic.

Of that part, no? It's said, I'm to know, that's

that's that a company of security and that the thing, that that's that

that, that that, that, that, that, that, that,

that, you, al- the thing, you know, the thing

and they're to make the recita to put to

do that, that that, how is the how is a

cajero? So, how is what normally is a carero

automatic in effective? In $1 $100,000 and $1,000.

And, well, Now imagine how many millions not have for example bandied or

Revolution Team and then they'd they were even to rapis to go to get to

get to the money of those cargeros automatic they're like at all

now we're going to get the money for that

they're in penent and they can get and they

and then then they were they were they they were they was there

was there there was there was there That's very common, in Colombia also, where

they're in this type of groups. But, for example, the cashero automatic to the bank

is the bank is, or have their money? I think that, after this

type of situations, they're they're to have assured. Because, imagine

Imagine it would be something very grave. Since when, you that's about this to do you, to make vomiting the

cargeros? Well, I'm that Bandio Revolution Team he put to the

moda. And it put in the mirror of the authorities because even that case was

quite sonated in periodics and noticeros very pesados of

here of Mexico. And but But I But I feel that

before they easily with cargeros automatic with less cyber security if there have been

more cases has been more years. It's a few years. Well, I think

before the 2015. Well, it's a because the hacker exists

and who. Yes, since what year? For there the I'm

so much with the with the with the feches and all of that. But

90s, 80s. It's easily like from the 80s. Probablylyment. Oh,

who has been the first? Well, very certainly someone that's

to study the of the systems. But no, for example, in the books that have written

and that no soresel a number there to the principal or the

first was fullano. Well, to what I've seen is

how students of engineering, for example, of engineering systems computationales that, for curiosity,

they were to the codes of the systems to modify them, and that did they're other

other thing, or say, manipulate a software for that other other thing

different to what was primarily programmed or created. Okay, me, the book.

I have an last question for you what you what you do

you to protect us of the cyberattacks it's a question very

good and obviously they have to have a antivus at

a million in those computers not only those computers because many

those say with the antivis the computer doesn't

not but how much information no has one in your cellar? Of, all. Cudder that thing of the

locations, as we mentioned at the initial, uh, of the way, all the

the links that get in, all the archives, etc., pass those for virus total.

Because what what does virus total is analyze those with many antivirus. And for

to say if you send an archiv infected and you modified

with the called crypters for that a antivirus just a casperski

not it with the virus total you will detecter as it's

like not just he's that he's not other other

other more other more okay last last you have

your own your own Well, I use I use I mean,

but in iPhone is very difficult in iPhone if it's possible that you hacken Yeah, but it's very

difficult. Well, there are exploits that are that are that are that are that are

that are that are the people, they are those famous zero days that are not

known as the exploits that you know is in exploit database.

That one can't find the exploits the may be used in C CMAs. And even

iOS if not parched or if not actualizing what being being being being the

version of iOS can exploit a vulnerability in a version an

anterior and for so it's very important to do very my Debuck

much thanks much thanks for being a great great pleasure net a

much information very very valiosa way very valiosa that I know that much

people are more to be more to the more a lot of computer computer

all all what has to be with what they and that that's

in the new creating like some a vulnerability because that nobody

is scapa. But also also it's big a brabron because there's there's what that's what can save a little

of 10, not be one but of 100 and so they're two, but how do those people? It's that

all the days are coming new vulnerabilities and what we're talking right you and you are still

still getting a new vulnerability for a certain system for a a dispositive

for iOS, etc. So, there are very atentos and to keep up

your media social is Papa, that you see them. NX me can

find like the D-Bux C 137 in Instagram like DeBsec

and in YouTube like the haula the haula the Nob N0

N-00-B Okay much Thank you, Pa. You're Cree-Tent? Yes. Of who?

The God. Amen. Christian, Catholic. Catholic. Animo. Virgin of Guadupe also?

Yes. Okay. Well, much thanks, Pleas, for to be with us. SIGan

there my compad of Bukh, any question, any question, any other question,

any detail there, well, the Berga here we said, he says, that says,

you know, if they're, you confi, Verga. In one to the verga.

Because water fresh, me Papa. Salud, for all, blessings. There we

are there. We're doing to give us to the people in my de-bock? In- where?

Until then. You do, you do, you do, do you? Tu-di, pa. Where do you

do? Now, so, in where one more he like, no? In the Cisiriski

or in the triangleit or in the Terengu- Where do you? No, Tudy. No,

T'i. Without. Papa, you dig? No, there's ped? Well, yeah. In the triangle, the triangle, little. Oh, chiquitito, my little, man. Pelitos? Or no, pelitos?

As it's as. Oh, yeah, aye, oh, bonito. That's, what bonito, says Ramoncito. Becito pleads in the puro. Triangulito. Anim, there we're, in the Cic.

In the... In the... No, I'll put my telephone to get to you. Awah fresh, Papa.