LOS MAFIA PODCAST ⭐️ - Jacobo Grinfer, El PENTAGONO Y CHINA; Hacker EXPONE VERDADES — Héctor López

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

Jacobo Grinfer, El PENTAGONO Y CHINA; Hacker EXPONE VERDADES — Héctor López

Plebada, because you did you know the second part with our friend Hector, one of the hackers that is specialized in the Rama of the Bien. So, those that have seen in the first

chapter with him, I know that they're with a little bit more and to see what you think about certain things that have passed.

Some much things that not have done to talk in the first chapter. For that so we we're going to receive to our friend Hector. Thank you. The hacker

number one or how you I think I'm from the top 10 of Mexico? Cabrown. Why do you say? Because practically with organization and all the hate that we've received, it's like you're like you're in the same, because

you're doing conferences more than the others, You have more courses, you have more product, and then, you've been prevailed in the market. Much of group of hackers

get them, they're working, a year, a mo'clock, one's not, they're not, but even are very

orientated, also, they're very sporadical. So, they're in a company, they're not they're doing the name,

we're not, we're in a nation Mexican of hackers eticos, and then then I'm in international.

So I'm people, members Mexicans, then I'm to have Uruguayos, Peruanos

in the people of Ecuador, For example, I have a person that I'm going to mention your name, don't you knowches, but, without he's of Ecuador

and he's a lot of he's in Omar Taurus. This is my friend and is part of my group of work. He has worked with militias of Ecuador, orientating directly

to the army, to do this type of things. And for that the level of contacts that we have, I'm Malberto, who is the first hacker

arrested in Uruguay in a form illegal. So, then we've seen all your process, he'scribio a book,

he's a book, he's just not me in my reclutate people, so I'm don't look

employees, no book people, I'm looking people with my same abilities, like I'm from my time, or no

important, that's a lot of 50, 50 years, but that's they know, so, that's they're

that's gonna make to make to make sure, that you're to be gonna say, no, well,

so I'm I do do so do do my machine. So a good hacker with with a machine,

with a computer, you know, and you can't manage. So, for that I consider I'm

managed to do much conciliation too. No, I've been seen a group of chock, no, we

don't we do not, we're doing the things, we know, report us, we're not,

we're going to attack this city, for favor, parchal. Always, we're always we're,

so, so, oh, no, no, no, no, me,

it's, well, that's a more that's a more that's a little bit that's a problem, I'm the whole, I'm just the chief

of systems. So, no, us are in the hackiadero. But if I'm, I'm, I'm a conciliator and I'm

my company as an organization. No, consider it's my thing economic, the principal, but join them, organize them,

incentivize to the chavitos that the chavitos, and the ad in potency of the hackers, they're at the time with this

type of curiosity or ability. But that of the 15, 16, because you're going to do the hormona with all the thing.

So, you know, then your can't roll out a little bit of the people who are, the first thing is hackkear to my

partner or hackier to my parents, or hackier the school, or change me the notes, hackier a bank, sack a carkear,

so the expectation that they have to rob, rob, rob, rob, attack, beneficer you, nothing more to you the

thing more, and not Here I've encountered with many people, for a lot of you, and one is much more maddures, evolutioned and with more talent. So, that's my much. I only function as the person that says, here's the chat,

here's the page, here's the company, here are the projects, haulens to what they want. Devante the hand, who wants to enter to the project, I'll occupy these abilities. And yeah, enter my companion of Buch, you know, or he's a, or, he's a member who, or, into other,

that we have to be a ramma, He's a job for the department as security or intelligence of Israel. So, I've got much talents dispersed. And when I need a ability, I'll encounter.

And obviously, they pay their honoraries and all. I prefer prefer to contract the expert than consider me the hacker that all knows, be a todologist,

and say, no, the project for me solito. I'm going to get with the two millions of pesos. And, well, and maybe if not

said, to a certain system, I do maybe bad the software, or a contract Indus, that's very the moda

subcontratar Chinese. So, in that part I'm going to ask us. We're a group of

elite, of hackers well orientated, and so, I'm not permit no any type

of acts of blood, crimes, and the people that are in the negative, if we've

yet have to get to to be part of the company. So, if someone is,

we're we're doing, we're doing things like the carding in Spain. And

And, after our podcast, it was the last podcast that existed before that they were after the

other hacker Colombian that's never anonymous of Colombia. Also, he dedicated

to attack portals of government. We started the podcast as we don't we don't

do we don't we've been with this type of people, but it's important

that they know, that's that hacker that hacker that hacker, that is what you want is

money, robar, attention, or only only it's only they can do do it

motives, but if we're differentials, but we're differentials. Fugate, it's a very interesting, way, the

term hacker, no? Because you're doing things good and things bad. Okay, I've got

a question that I've formulated. What do you think that you get to pass? First,

you think China could hackier the system of the United? Sure. Why?

Because there some questions technical advanced. In China have invented a system

operative. So, here is the Windows, that we have for all, and all the world use Windows. I use Linux, it's the time in my machine, but not the people use much that. The Chinese have a thing that's called Killing OS.

It's a system operative specific, based on BSD, which is a thing very, very, very extrana, very very poor vulnerable and like anti-hakeable.

So, they're so they're just like this type of softwares to put them in the militia and in China

also, in China also, they're these are these, like cyber-armadas. So, contract an 500

people, but in instead of that are policies cybernetic as well the service of the

society, are looking that not enter in persons and do it's called state operations,

or sponsored for the state. So, so, so, so, so, so,

it's not for example, and infecten to the Americanos, or a new virus that is affecting

that in Asia, in other other of high-rango, where contracten people super-specialized, and, like, they say, their best soldiers

cybernetic, they put, but at a bit not to defend. Yeah, it's a bit of the control. So, China, has many operations to attack the US. I'm consta. That's a bit of

time real. There's a map where can show cyber threat maps. Kasperski has one, Fortinet, that's a company of security,

also, see in time real, the attacks. A rata to be, to be a rata, to do, I'll be like you could

you could you could think that a part of the map not not having attacks informaticos

and you minding about that that's about the thing that you attack is for but probably not

all those of the world. And the Chinese see in them as they're in they're in they're in these people,

you know don't ask, there are you are the orders like the militia. These are the orders, these are the

IPs that are to attack and now to scaniarlas or usmiar or to back all the information

of those services. And there there no there who there's who there's talking about what we

commented on the people that get from the Guacal and then they're all the

national security agency. And they're I'm I'm not all these projects secret that they

have the city. So that all the world to the people and there many

projects secretos. I think the hackers we've started a much time

with with liberate or getting information classification or

so so the things that were totally totally They'd get them and they'd say, hackyamos the emails or hackyamos the archivos of a certain server and this is what they're

and so, they're like, documents confidential, seallows. There are various forms of classificator in the US, but evidentlymanymed, but evidently, many documents, I'm to look at that I'm not going to be that anonymous, liberate information. There's another group that's called LollSek, that's a group of hackers. It's very normal.

This is not a group specific, but so it can't also, but it can't talk, too, but, anonymous is more of things political, and LLSEC is more of

the RETO. To, we can't get to the Pentagon, to that we can't to hacker an avion, to we can't get to a certain dependency, a lot of sexy, it was a reto intellectual,

100%. A bit of something, or attack a system. The people that not know what is the pentagon, what is the pentagon? The pentagon, well, in first,

it's an institution physical, of security, but that's in the United, and the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, is the

name so, but there's what there is the best specialists not only only about

about the security, the famous agents that you can't get a little more more in case,

the agents like 007 of James Bond there existen in the Pentagon, are like

armies of high-nive that apart those special in more areas, like if

were in the SWAT, like special weapons and tactics, then so they're tactics

speciales, know, of arms specials, they're in of equipment telematic, of the last that's taken

to see what you have taken, and it's impressive, is a drone of this time, a little helicopter,

a little helicopter of that has an autonomy of four hours. This is it was used in Afghanistan.

So, it's going to be a helicopter, it's put a window, it's a round,

it's a redonda, it's, it's a video, and also take a video,

the surveillance, or the intelligence, of, hey, we're say, they're

terrorists or people in that person in that we're to get to get to dismantlear. So, they're a

little bit of the dronecito, and the drone commerciales, you're going to those are, well, those have to be

to do you do much 25 minutes. That's the technology of DGI, the whole people can buy to come

in Amazon on any any other commercial. But technology military of drones of the

United, there are things that they're all in the head, especially for the miniature and

the capacity of autonomy of the world. I think it. Imagineate an object little of this time that

can't do work during two hours, then obviously you serve much to collecting information. So,

so, is very advanced. The Pentagon is that. The Pentagon is all the area of intelligence,

all the area of military and defense national that has United to receive,

for example, an attack like the 9-11, of the us, we're reactionate in that moment

enter the Pentagon because it declared a state of security national. So,

it's supposed that the police could be resagated, even their army forces if they

are the Pentagon is the that's the person who's the national security agency. This agency

of security national is the agency has the people who people people who people specialized

in telecommunications reds, software, what you You know, there is, there's many hackers. The mere pulp, then. Yeah. If it's, that the only ones that could really

dismantle the Americans in question of hackers, it's Russia. Russia. We're going to be able to. The part of this of the, this, that's apparently, which is? Jacobo Greenberg.

Okay. This batto, for those who don't know, I know a little because Hermann has been but he's know that

you know much. So, let us. What's the what was? What was something?

Well, something, was something what he was with his mind. How was the ped?

Well, in 1. Jacobo is a person like a master, he was a community

academic, of the Unami, with many specialists, but it said that in

his voyages for the spirituality, he started to and one of those he's known a Pachita. Pachita is a person

occultist who said that was the Alma Reencarned of Moctezuma and that had the capacity to

materialize organos and do and do do you only with a good that basic.

So, of some way he was he was a certain skepticism, so I'm so I'm

more like a scientific, I am more of the studies, but yeah

was investigating the spirituality and the lives pasted, vision remote, escriture automatic, she was just a certain

mediums. Mediums, that person that has a person that has to be able to other planos astrales

or even people desvivated or fallacies. So, they're like that capacity and he

was exploring this situation. We're we could see we're a

scientific and occultist that was developing certain techniques specialised

of the most he was the most he was what was what was what

was the companies like the Cia have these type

of projects like the M.K. Ultra that are projects

for the some some those some operations psychops. They're

they're using this like work so for put

an example of what could to pass right of a war psychological in

Ukraine against Russia I put in a example of the question no, well in this

place there people there are doing people to venters to the tankes, not pass

for there. But that can be disruption informatic. It could that has made that

that not that's not even if that's not that they're not going to go back

and then I have a time. So, then all that information that's generated

and that's kind of operations. Jacobo, from my point of view of my point of view when you know to this patchita

he says that he's like, I can't participate in one of his operations and he says, well, enterle,

no, no, no problem. And he he's what he said, to me, the fact, I think,

I've been to be about things very advanced but even to me result a difficult

conceptualize that. I know we're all material and we're made to be made

of the same situation, but for you a idea very clave. He was a man, cutaba the person, he said, that

you dole, he said a studio like a little, and no, because he waske a wringon. And he said that, he said, that materialized the organo, he put in, and the person was out of the way. And that curable

to a lot of people. He said, well, how is possible that you can't do this? He said, no, I'm not I'm not, I'm, I'm am I, I'm the medium. I'm just, I'm just

a person, I'm Pacita. The, the that's the, that a through me is an entity that comes from an emperator Aztec.

So that's what to you do you. So, in your emphasis was discovering more and more and more and more.

Yeah, when he found Apachita, he gave a point of, this is real. So, so, she was

for the thing, a matter that not you don't you don't like the matematics, as I

said I, until I started to programar and me became hacker, and I

said, I'm what are mathematics. Maybe he passed something to this person. He gotro and

he said, no, what are to exist the bruchos and the spiritus? And the magic and the

mediums. No, that's no no. So, then after Pachita said that was just

put it with mediums. And with the mediums and it was a vision remote.

Vision remotes vendable to one person to another person to put in another court or

even in another city and could be to be the other person. Jacobo

Grimber said to give I've got to know that the children had a time that were

much more more despirtes and that sometimes like for the people for the money, you

go and you go and you go to the mind but I'm using the people for this

type of so so I think that that is what what so that know,

and know techniques of control mental and that not that not is that not for

that that's not going to do you all the world is something really

Because it's like, well, now now they're imagine what could say a government. No, well,

like a vision remote, then can be here a person, could be my secretary particular, and what is

an intrusion? And he's a person, and it's a other person. So, from questions of espionage.

So, so I think that's all to the CIA and a other type of agencies. There are

many agencies like the KGB, there are agencies also in North of Korea that's

specifically to this. the Islam also even has people even in Isis that's that's

they're doing to do you know what so it's something I'm very specific I'm

I'm sure and I'm the theory that the better the government even in contra of

his and that was still but also it was also that day he was

that day went to a little to be a and the person then the

then the then the then he's So, there's many speculations. The,

the wife and the batto's or the husband, after the then the first was,

but the wife's so like, ah, is that Jacob, he went to to go to get a

but he he gotro his things, she was she was she was she was

she was and then that's that's what you can also can't

be in certain projects or other, well, it's a lot more is a lot of in a lot of

a little bit in a place where the people not where the people don't get to get to

another of the theories that I'm that I'm made a lot that's it's a but that

it was a little so much it's not no ma'am no I've studied much of

physical certain things and that's but if the people would be like

a certain so elevated, that they were like, no, so, a mo' so

it's it's like, it's like, but I'm, I'm going, but the

thing, I'm, and she live, and that's I don't know, I'm, if it's, if it's,

if it's, what's what's, what's, uh, okay, uh, okay,

I, it's, it's, you know, a number of the, oh, yeah,

uh, so, uh, that, uh, so, uh, But, but, way,

you think that a man brilliant like him he, he's got captured for a job, captured for

them? If you accept cooperated, is that nothing they're not more, how I see

that's the government of the United? Because there have been many that attack

to the government or that they're they're they're they're we're

we're you're you're you're you're you're to do to

you're So, if accept to collaborate, well, but if no, he didn't accept, that also

was also the person spiritual, like say, no, I want to write a question, and I'm

going to make a medium, if the people will know, if the people, if you're a

question, I'm going to cooperate, I'm to do you say, and me say this, I'm not,

I'm not the same who's the people, who's the most chupok-clood in this assuant, no,

the, if you manned to eliminate. And this, who can do you know this, who's

who you or there other species that could Yeah, that's interesting. That's that's

that's with the CIA. With work. Oh, yeah. So, like it

was that yeah, that's not not, ohla, and no. It's, oh,

that's the project, the borgue the project of control mental. So that is,

that is totally confirmed. And what they're of what you say, or cyber warfare, which is like create this

disruption psychological in where the person can do make a person to make a lot of a little bit of

the more false of ISIS and you put there an execution false and they say there's,

awas. There's there much question very, very psychological. So I think that

when the government feels that you're out of the Alcance, the limit, or that

really not you're going to receive a order, or you have your own own or you have a form of resguard,

you know, and the strategies or abilities, like a hacker that I knew I, that was fugitive

of the FBI, three years. So, so it's even that the FBI to be able to

look and that's very, very complicated. A these people, to these people,

so the government, so this this is, this is, this is for my projects.

There are the people function like marionettes. The famous lavado of the Cerebrough, let's do a way more effective. And the questions of using mediums and using persons

for investigations, that also too they're very clear. No, no, they're platican, but it's of, suppose, we're a lot of

you can't get a medium and give a prenda or give to what the medium needs, there's different forms to canalize. For to say,

where you feel that's, center and he says, no, well, I'm seeing a quarter of scoo, but where in the carretera, try to revivir, and agarre, and they're in the paper, and

can't get to do things. So, I know that there's a certain question of magic or mentalists that are doing these agencies.

Here in Mexico, no. Here in Mexico, if you can't get to that problem, no? Why? Because I think that we're still

in wars with pales and machetes number one, no? When the States United is in you have an bombasso.

The other other way was analyzing the drone that they're using for recognition here in

Mexico, the MQ9 this drone if you armars well, with a only one

one, you, you're you're to you're to about

approximately of five or six quadras. So, are don't impossible

to detect or utilize. So, the United is the investment technology,

innovation, and development, questions scientific. And here in Mexico is of, what we're going to do if we're going to do with the drones? No, well, we're going to to send those tankers. Or we,

speculam-moudron. What's the... Yeah, a tumbron. So, no. So, that's, no. For this type of drones that I'd doggle-dron is zero. So, he has 400

kilometers per hour. The tumbrat, it would have to do, not even to put it, nor the signalit. I think the maximum that they'll can't, are 25 kilometers. No, 400.

a la verga that madre yeah so yeah so yeah in the in the

in the system in what is the technology well so you know that so

that's that's a tech to is a thing and have wanted

like banning but they're a person that they're so that's that's

so clavada that so it so it's it was like it's they've been banned

ticto and they've Quaghered also the TikTokers, people who sub content, monetize and the more. And more he's not

been retrained in the other, and with the aranceles, or not. But in this situation, Trump's and said, I mean,

I mean, he could have the switch. That's the case, that's the Facebook. And so, he gave a

question that the traffic back, that no, he'd be visualizations, that was a questioner of

people, and that this a tool of disruption it's serve also in a certain manner to the American

to do something to do something so that's an example of the things as far as the media social

they're going in the intelligence artificial was chat GPT of OpenE then it's

Gemini of Google but also it's deep seek deep seek yeah is the China so yeah

it was like they're like our our own our own our own our own we're not

we're I've done you're like, I'm how I'm a hacker, I think that I'm a kind of a

word, I mean write me a code in a language, write me a C-Mas me a code in Pylom,

and I'm a code in Python, and I'll then the syntaxis and what he said you do, oh,

that's well, yeah, because there some years that you're like a code,

you're inservable or that you have toquet much if you're a person, so you're so we're

we're not we're in the capacity of what can get to get to

program. and they're going to program for us. So, that's the people not is doing a

way to be able to people who get in the area of systems, engineering, telecommunications, many areas derivations,

that are going to do you do that your job, the intelligence artificial. If me you know

that's in the point of view, I think that's possible. Bestea way. 100.

Yes, for the aspect of that is that, but very caro, too. No,

because no it's can't do I, for example, I've replicated my capacity

of programation to like if I were five hectares, five persons like you. Because I'll say, I'll ever, do you, I'm going to do, I'm, I'm like some, I'm, I'm, I'm going to docile, I'm like, I want to my lineas. I mean, so, I'll give you, I'm going to, next page of code, and la-a-sue page. First, I'll ask you the description of a software, and then I'll

me more, write more code, next page. And that that thing can't, write, write, I'm going to give, the madrugada, all the night. It's incansable,

it's imparable. And at level mathematical of algorithm we're we're more efficient

than a calculator. If you a call a a calculation of a number

of 15 cifras, the calculator still more more efficient than

we're so that the same situation to write to

make a better a matter. More because there

people that in the world of the hackers there

other type of intelligence artificial, that not is something that you could putt up to publicly. People who have their megacupontodototototers, with chargetas, and he says this intelligence artificial,

you, scribe me what it's write. Scream me a code to able to design an algorithm that makes a bomb and that exploit the systems of that

place, or that cause a disruption informatic, you know, there are levels in what the AIA no has scrupules. All those that

the people know all the people know, all that mentione, from HEMIN, ChatGPT, DeepSik, and any of those of those, those are the populares, all are you,

you know, you're going to be able to beaulch, oh, how can I do you can't do a virus informatic? No, that's illegal. Oh, yeah, I'm going to do a master of security informatic, and I need for a time, and it

can't, the IA, that's the famous promption is more advanced than is the propion. You're more of, you're more of, like, like to make certain commands or parameters and

them. But, but in a form very basic is like when you know to get to the IA

to buypac what you want to say. And I have encountered that, the

really, is that they have the knowledge of what we call the singularity technologicalic.

That's a bit way, why, why? Why? Why? Why?

Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Because you do you question?

Like, no, what's to me all the thing? All the

information? You I was to say orita to all the people I think it

I'm because we're from we're we're we know

yeah way you know you you yeah there

there there there still put in practice ah I'm

I'm to my my my mom or my my man

or two two or one but but before once

way. Once, one you know, so, so, so, so,

so, and so, and I make the , and I, he, a par, present,

the telephone, no, I'm not I'm, mark a, ta, ta, ta, ta. But now,

whey, there are people, boy, there are people, and there can't get a

to turn, and they're gonna, and they're in the telephone, ah, is,

say, ta, uh, yeah, a- I-a- because, because,

because it has been much Well, I think if it's going to replace many activities humanas

that the people don't have idea, but there are many things that require creativity and personalization

and one's not so then I'm not too. The data intradas are numbers and sometimes

sum, to rest, multiply, divide, or what so I can make a much more

more more than you. So, if you have, for example, a program like

the ASPel of Koy or the Accountability or the Compact, many programs that that are that's almost a

little of the intelligence artificial, I'm sure that you could bypassing to get to buypacial to say to

get to you to get to get to the personal and say, I need to pay my impuptus

I'm going to get my my own of Excel now you tell me where I'm how I'm to pay and

the idea to you're going to do you're something. What is what you're something. But you

you can't compare to a psychologist and you say okay I'm a psychologist. Now, ask me the question.

From this point of view of this point of this point of see that I'm with my partner and, for what I'm to go to

the psychologist. The other people can say like, sitate and keep lechando a little more more money.

And the more, you're more a little, a little, then you're getting a little to

you've been that type of relax or that type of alivio in the intelligence artificial. Questions of

of leyes. One if you I've asked, I've a problem of diffamation, put a a page

false and this, apply to do a little or something you, a way, you're going to be to do you're

going to be to do you do you can't you can't tell, automatically know what constitution

they're to actual or to do you and you say for that you can't you can't

you can't be replaced to many to us even people even many people people

people people who not you know some people who personalize his things,

also you can't say, oh, how I'm a new thing to do you make a recommendation, how do you know, to do the security? and also I've done, I'm going to, I'm doing, do you know,

what's the thing that has a hacker that has the that's a hacker that is a first

first, it's that you're getting to be that you have seen a lot of the way I'm

going to a copy a car to get to get a email or he cloned the WhatsApp

to a person I'm going to robar a something so it's like

oh, well Netflix no doesn't because it's a company international that

really really really have really many they're so

they're associarse of that you are doing something that is robar, uspia, urt, intrusion

telematica. In second not know the laws and they're also in Mexico, in Latin America you can do

do you can't do you know, we don't we have law information, that's very

certain, we're very certain, but even for example, it's typificated that if I for example

robes with the computer was to robber, then you you can't use any need of

electronic, a cellular or what you But if what you did was to robber of a bank well,

it's a enter what is being the urt. So I'm think you know they're

on the second, you're not your first chicles, your first few those first

peccitos. Then they say, oh, this of the accounts, what happens

if the other hacker, I'm another hacker that's selling 50, 000

count, $1,000 and I'm a shop, as they virtually, a shop there virtual,

and you can be in the web or you can't be in the red superficial, no more that I'm my data personal, or me

get a present numbers, pagoes for Western Union, for Bitcoin, or for some, a target of

or something, and that know they can't be who I am I'm going to get to make a other level.

So, I'm not I'm not I'm doing a quantita. Yeah, I'm I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm not to robber accounts and start fisching to the people.

The famous fishing is every that someone mando a to make if you can't do

and that's inunded very very very strong me have to say people

oh yeah well now you gave a name I'm even got I think

I'm even know I don't they're to informer more the hackers

no and I think that's that they're probably they're going to

probably they're going to then sometimes some they're to make

the first people start the money and in first no

there to pay the asiena no I have a business physical so it

doesn't do you know they're not they're not even nobody I think that's

the worst error and what has happened to many have done

terminated much after the redhas or without but

is the thing that you know you put you put a mask

you put I'm using something I like the other

I'm the other I'm using that comodino, that proxy, or I'm utilizing a server external, in waters international, or in Finland, here no, I'm going to pass anything. And it's, no, manches, those exist, we're ex-expertos, that dedicamus that

traceability. Yeah, when the delito, now, so, they're going to say, oh, yeah, how did that person and, and, them say, oh, yeah, can't do that person, and then, and in second, that if it's much land, then, they're going to, you know, the number of those, we're going to, the cyber-malos, or the a capacity

to do things disruptive more grand. If not have the scrupul necessary, and then after

of that, then they're to buy things of the lot of time. They're not to buy also,

they're also, the same deep web to arropa to that type of people, like,

if you get a passport false, also if you do you use, if you're

doing this all the night and continue working, then all, so,

there. So, all in this type of ambientes that you promotion to continue

still there. Cars, clonadores. Clonadores, what are? The same MCR. There are ones

that are an alambricas but the most advanced are inalambricas is like a little device with

that's just just a time just but the last one are blue and they are copiators

and lectores for you give you an idea that that device can can't

do that can't 386 that's that that's what

they they use for example when you go to an anthro that has a lot of there's a

lot of your card because they're clonan what you know, what you have to be there's the

make it to be the same I've done that experiment so as a hacker me have come a lector of and you pass a target and automatically

it's a number if I pass on a target you on those MCRs on those those lectors appear in those information

that you think that you think that not are there can't be it can't be even the new targetas physically not

that that's that contain the band magnetic and it's called track 1 and track 2 and accompanied

of the CBB is what you do the CB is the that comes that's the number Okay, okay, o'ye,

uh, there we're going to in the fourth point or yeah in the no, we're going to, we're going to really,

that's where they're they're, they're doing to robing things minimums, then no less important to the legality,

and then you know, and then you get a association, but that's a criminal organized. So,

it's for that's also that have also that's they've got uh, the Leone Guanojato

of Bandido Revolution Team, these quates did They were dedicated to do a association. So, they're not

a denunciate no, oh, is that hakeasted all the banks of the government because the

commission national never, that's not, you know, the commission not sure the country and it's

a series of certain, and it's a secrecy. That's, of what does the hand

the right, no know what does the right, and even he's a person

a role, that type of characters no cae. It's very difficult that a little

living like a hacker, no? Yes, not most showing eccentricities

or nothing. Yeah, so it's the typical hacker that gets to his department,

you know you know kind of and comes, he's, he's, he's, he's

he's his car normal, and at the more, all the days I get to

know a person of these. No, I'm consider my friend. Just a

one person. So, a person who was a lot of a little bit of him. But if I'm saying, I

go to say the I'm going to say the bank. Because I say is a delicato. I'm saying, I have a book of

a certain. I can't get that. And all the days he can get in $350,000

to $300,000 to $300,000 to $300,000 to $3,000, and then, so when, when,

that when, you do you do, do I do. Until that not the bug. Until that no me seeer in the door. For I, do you do

do something, I'm going to to do do you go to and it's going and nobody has cached. I'm going

I'm very discretto, I'm just that's this type of mascots, some of these type of some more

my gats and my perros that I'm that I have to give to letchita in the I don't even any,

no, any of the other person that's that you want to be the people, you know,

it's not that many of the hackers, as far as we're in years, and for egos. And,

they're going to me back back. And the hacker that you see you're to be you know,

oh, yeah me hacked this same quater, no, or yeah me put, he said,

he said, he said what I'm doing, they're doing, they're they're like, very very similar

as they're in the mafias. But, in this world of the hacker is there's much tradition. For that it's important. So, they're in this world, as in the association delictiva

that's what you commendable, as if we'd let me, we'll have like a one of a number five. So, there if you just desploma this situation, because you know, you know, to say to a person, oh, you know, say,

you know, you know, tomorrow will be a newtice in a certain periodical, tiram the periodical. No, I want to work the reform, tear the universal, tear to all the periodicals important. And not not the news of the light, to that level.

And additionally, it's all this granite of servitors for that they're robing these banks. In the time, in what I'm attack those

pages. I mean, these of the government that me can goroes, intervennes their cellars or intervenle their

information. I've got people who's people who are attacking to the companies or cities that can't be

not even to me, and apart, I'm trying doing disruption telematic to other

levels. So, I'll a little bit for here, I'm a little so the hacker can doversific much much. That's what the

people might know the person two malettes. They'd. They'd. We're content. Well, if it's

it's a end of the people, I mean, he's got to a car of a million and a million and

two millions of payos in effective. But there was a world. And I said that

they were like, oh, yeah, I'm going to get to get to get a

good, but, but it's for other car, passallo. And the the same,

he'd even, even in state altered, in state to the people of the cartel.

I mean, people who getting, like, come, they're going to say, oh, how are

they're not, that's that's, I'm going to get a little the time, no, me'll go to

get to right. No, no, no, so they're going to not, no,

I'm not to be talking, and also, I'm not, so I have gotten to a loter

that a hacker, it's definitely not it's, because many of them, because many of them, life. But if the

level, as I mentioned about and I was I said, I did I'm a question, I said, I said a comment the horny,

I want to you know what I'm saying, I'm my wife, I said, if we're we're doing we're doing this, we're saying,

yeah, the fact, the thing, they're thinking they're upang the lumbra to, correct.

And then I'm so, imagine, and still, they're even even, I'm even,

they're all they're not, I know that I have the capacity to robar five millions of the bank and buy a MacLaren, but not do I do for questions eticcas. But the people that

see with the McLaren afloire, the two Mercedes-Benz blinded, with three houses of security, with warros. The person, finally, actually,

I was to buy a group of football. That's I'm to do a good font and I'm know the data correct.

I was to buy a team of football. I said, how much do you have to have to buy a club

like the leon or like the toluka. Muchissimo to have a big a big of money. And now imagine it that would have done.

In that moment it's consangra and there it will be a lavader of money and all the money that you

take you're in the cargeros, ah, well, I'm going to invests, no pass nothing.

So, I think that also can be able in experts and magnates of the business,

because there a thing I like much, but that me go to start my my father,

who me said, nobody a cano a cano a can't a 50,000

pesos. That's a one a phrase much of the revolution or that in the time

it's like, with 50, 000 pesos, a reglas, a mordid or no there's

no one of a lot of imagineate a person that can't want to want to get a

a tonnazo $3,000 $10 million. Oh, well, that the fiscal

you know to say I'm just I'm, I'm, no, that no, I'm,

I'm, I'm because I didn't what were to what you know,

that's what you impuests. I mean, I refer to that the people they're compromises. For that I always always say, oh, yeah,

passame your account clave, passame your desas, until I don't have the business, yeah,

apolabrated and well, you know, one of the did you do it's a type of $25,000

and it was, ask me this, hack me this account. I said, I never accepted to do that

I'm I'm not, no, no, no, no me no more you

do I do it's more, but askmelel. Total that the Marron, he's

the money, but I'm forced him about a military, I'm menaceing

and all, it's that I'm doing it, and then I'm in it. Oh,

yeah, I'm a doubt. For example, the the targetas. Today,

that's now that naviga targetas and has the application to do a

company to a cost of a kind of the CVV. Correct. So, that matter

is a matter is changing every certain time. No. The second is the token.

So, the CBUB, not the change. It's the one of the time. In the targetas normal is of three digits. In the targetas of American Express is of four digits

and it's the front. But no, the what the people to acquire is this this thing, that this is like the famous tokenizer. So you,

here grab, you put an okay and you need a challenge. This challenge is the number that will appear in the bank.

So I here, for example, I'm 25, And then after that I'm going this number automatically

me do another. But let us this is synchronized with my account to be to be to be to be able to

have to be a token that I'm doing that my account. To nobody more they serve the

numbers. This is the is the other factor of identification. This is this is the change every

when you use it. But when you do you when you can be the application? The new ones

because the next that's the can't do you With you're not with code QR, is that there's two types of Targetas. Oh, no, no, I'm going to clonar.

Let's have to confier. This is the number. It's not even to make the numberation. No, you'll be able to be it. But, for example, this is the new new targetta of the bank.

Okay. This yeah has no name. Okay. Also, they did some for motive of security. The feecha of expiration don't

it has been here. And some, like this that I have to this, like, this, for example, no, they're not even any

even numberitos yeah. You have to get to to scania this code QR with the application and that's the that you say you're that you're changing you're going to constantly. It's like to generate

a target virtual for able to do your companies. That's the fact of the fact that you make a total of your application, generate a card, transferas not more the amount, the other thing, or it's in an investment or you have it in other type of account of ahorro facile or the other, back, the 10,000, 15,000 that you're going to buy a laptop,

generate your targette virtual with this, you're going to serve never more. But if you have these of the antigues, that no pasenade, because it's caducated, so, oh,

there's a there's been clonar. For those that's the way, but this is like they're like they're

like they're before. So, once they're a number, they're here, and just to take a photo for the

and a photo for the back, clonado. But right, but right, they're not but they're

not quite for that reason, because in the bank, yeah, yeah, you know, I think,

the code QR, the auto-generates and then they're they auto-destrued. Yeah, yeah,

much the security bankaria, but they've to learn of the robes of the Spay. So,

it was a reason to this quater vacio the careros and all the he caused a disruption

in the commission national bankaria. Yeah, of the plan, it was, like, we're what we're doing

what's going to do you know what? They're these who did you, of those of those of

the bandied, the group really affected in the moment, robes those millions, but thanks

to those They did this goal master is that now the bank Mexicans are like

90% their security to say, who is going to be hakees, who is going to pass something?

Ah, manna, we'll do you know, how it how it's how it did it?

And a day he did that in Guantuato Capital a carger scupia to the

loco and no there was nobody to receive the money. That's

that that was a thing, a the hackers they failed. No,

to the hackers don't we fail at that part. Because you have you know, it's very

specific. More well, it would be that's like the problems internal, these wars

of faldas and these chismecito for that to bring the government, like to put them

the operation that's Nauru, agarra and says, a very, I'm going to send

money to to come to the four cajors but also these five cajors of Guany

there's that nobody is to receive the money. So the people It was for one of of the

Cajas one of the people were the there's a lot of the country was going to because the people was going to get around the

and there was a and there was a manner to rastrear that's where he came and all the yeah yeah yeah sure yeah so all

all in internet has the IP the IP the dominions you can evade this civility, making techniques

that's spoofing or falsing, or falsing, from the MacCadres, the IP, or the dominion. But to the

we know we know, always there's a lot of where they're more than the stuff, a software

that said, like all the cajors. So you had a like jackpot, so like to go to

go to call, I'm, I'm, but always they'd get people in the

madugada with a box or a motor, and get the carerito, the cajero the cajero

Also, sometimes not even they'd be to make those movements and say, you're going to go to see for 100,000

to get a cashier, get them, the mollasita, call it the $100,000 in the bolzita, and it was a

Uber and you no it was, and you know it was a little the modus operandi and as a how they gotch was that,

that one day they started to vomit cajers in other places where not was prepared that were in

the money to get to get rid of and from what's they said, a failure of the system of the bank or what

and they're no this is a modus operandi and you're just they've got more to 500,000 millions to me impression.

I mean the really because where you're you know you're going to you make you get 500 million

of pesos how much they're doing like a year in a year in a year and in a year in a year and

they're five hundred million of pounds to be being the major the other

goal of the history bankaria in the world. So in that part, as it's

a few the phrase, but Mexicans bandied, we're there's the effect.

A level international, we'll look at be a person, one that

was apeed well, if you do you do you know, but one that was

put about the one of the studor one of the one of the one of the operable in

Playa of the carmen, you're able to the like to have to work.

These Mexicans are the know. We're going to work with them. To be what do you

do the mafia rumana of all the doing those activities. No, well, like 10

millions of euros. Oh, those Mexicans they're they're more.

And they made it to put implants in all the cargeros in the majority.

In what are those who are the those who are the they're those

those, oho, with that little detailito cajors in zones

touristic that are in the same hotel establishment and that not pertain's a kind of

a bank but that just say a red compatible or a visa compatible to a

awas. That's much awas because sometimes they overpone the teclos

to robes the information or they overpone something. They're they're in the

cable, a USB that's a shell to the exterior or from the same

cable also they're in some moment they're in a A jocko, way, pattoa and ma'ana?

Yeah. What pinches l'cura, way. Figate, you just to give data very important that are things

that are that they're but, way, and a lot one, because no he knows the thing and

never has put to investigate, but it's impressive. I mean, I'm trying that the hacker

that's that's going for the bad that's can do whatever can be

always and when has much discretion. It's correct. If no there's

discretion, it's like the narco too, that the narco that's that's a trotone

is a cantonon and a pisteeating and banda and the corridos and it

a flot only, it's a quack if it if you keep to in the

industry well the most is for the above the water discretto

the the most the hackers that I have been

in not directly affecting to Terceros, that's the part fea, when you

robes the money to the people, or you're clonas to the people,

or he robes their accounts, or other. I mean, I've seen,

I've seen, I'm found a error in the that bank of the bank of the

Philippines, or in a bank, or in a other, and look, what I'm doing,

that's a person, that people, that's, I mean, to get a to come that that

that time that's, I mean, that's that this to show something, I'm like,

like, look, if I'm like, no, no, so, no, because no, because,

like I'm like I'm like, I'm like, it's like, it's like, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm, the anxiety or the preoccupation to know, of the , well, people, to get,

two years, to get your life and a year, you, 20, 50, millions of pesos, three cars, and that's,

and that's, so, I've seen that no they've seen they're in a other self,

you know, they're in the person to be in the person to the other than the person in the way,

I don't want to know that they know the majority of them, the majority of those,

but if they're not they're not they're not a family, a life in a very difficult

for those people. What characteristic, way, is the that they contain the

hacker in in general. What characteristic does identify? Well, that depends in the philosophy.

The philosophy, I see the the idea of the idea. I'm the kind of the first cultures

hackers that came to Berkeley and the MIT. The MIT is the Institute of Massachusetts of Technology. That is

where they're going to those first hackers. I think to be the curiosity, the tolerance

to the frustration. It's one of the things that we have a lot of you can't

to pass seven hours in the computer. In serious, until that out or that's possible. A level negative, I think

we're we're we're not of orgoyosos, or we're about about about the egocentrism, that is all

all right around me. Because you're the person who does the click final, you're the person that

move from here, move to come back, then a sometimes, a few you don't confi in the

team of the job. It's like, no, if I want, if I do the

click. Another of the questions, I think I think I think, I think, I think the majority we have to

make a lot of because much of the things that we've come in in English. I mean when I

just started all this, no, there was not translated. After a little after the

people, the Uruguayos and the Argentinians that are many hackers in Latin America, over all

in these places that I'm mentioned and they started to move to move

to the first culture hacker or where they've been is the Berkeley

and the MIT of the people who designed the systems

operative and the language of the one of this is for example

Richard Stallman Stalman is the Linux so I'm those I'm

I'm like wow what hacker no so but they

never have never never that for me the hacker

is the contractor and and it's so making the

software create the internet the the creators creators of

a new computer Steve Jobs, the creator also a hacker so for me that type of person is a hacker

You think the iPhone way is the telephone more secure that's no no no no

there one there's silent phone there there there other type of telephones

specific that are made for the secrecy and that they don't have any Windows

I don't they're some of there's this case, no they're not they're an Android,

which is the most popular. This is like a proper system made for the security. So,

what we've mentioned the way last time I'm that way a software like Pegasus, that had the government

like to just get a message to and you get to a new phone, here even

even if you use those softwares carisimus and sponsored for the government, well,

we don't say the system not know how it's like, no, but here you So, if you'd have to

make a cap more elevated, if in this world, use an Android, both are

insured, which is the iPhone. The iPhone maybe for a 70% is that is that

is that is to know that they're that reason, because, that is very difficult.

For example, no, you know, is that, you know, you have the telephone, and you,

it's you, it is you get or they they're it

and it's a phone try the ID or no how it the face

ID like that no no no it's you put your

your account oh yeah yeah the the find

my iPhone and that's you find my phone so well

so well so so that that it was

it's person that that person that's he's he to do it's not way,

yeah no they're not because no have the contraeanor or not even

so it's that there that's that way that's iPhone. For the the only

that you do you get is resetial and get that it's without a

single never never got a never got nothing what

you know what you know we we we

we're we we make an iPhone like Android that's

great And this no when it when it has a report of robo or has

certain kind of it's not it's not so it's we're so far you know,

but in what you say no, no, they're like they're like paper

paper there. There chips specialis that they're in China

that serve to bypassing that type of protections. I know a person

of my confidence that that's that's that that's that's

much that I'm there a mention because I know that are you

are atented these little one that's one that's about a k'buth this system

can't run per the contrae of any Windows and even the

consensna online because the new windows you use you use type the

code look or that type of your passport or the that's the same

that's the same you're the more more security no this software that you

do you do you you very similar like what I've seen a ratic like a

kind of a kind of like a number and so so, I don't get to get to a

interface graphic if you know you put what is the user pull you book,

and at the next time in the other than the other thing it's blank password it's in

blank so then you then you do the enter and you're you're you're

you're you just you're to do you don't to give

to give to money I'm they do you It's that it was what I was

Trying to decifraar That's that they're They're robbered a telephone Or that's They're in a telephone Blockedio I think the Well, way

Hey, a bit Okay, There's a chip and the But and the count Way? How you're going to To get the account? Ah, for the

Count of Sometimes they're Fishing Or so they're a system that It's like If you're Like somebody

I'm You know I'm You know I'm I'm gonna You know like my

my friend had a system to falseer the message

there combined with that when you I'm a lot they're they're

they're they're they're they're they they're they're they're

a kind of a circuit in the machine not necessarily a coro

circuit because if you don't so funer but it's like

for the bio or the system like the memory

that the so the machine is like the But if they have to

open, the people who do they do, they're these type of unlockers from

China, you get the equipment that's that you do you and you're so that

you're that's you know, and when you need the account of ICloud have a

form for that the person to get a message to that you're that you

just just he's and he can't because they're allmascen the

contrae and in that payload that you envias, also you're

doing the password. A sometimes get in password in text plan or it's not even

encrypted but we're also we can get encrypted these hashes when they're encrypted for some

hatches. What is? Haches. It's like the part of encryption. It's like when

you know an identificatives, are many numbers and there are many different types. There's one

that's called MD5, one that's called MD5, one that's called Advanced and encryption system.

This is the department of defense of permit the exportation of the cryptography. That is something that is very interesting from my point of view.

To be, for example, if you want, I've created to buy equipes very carous or equip sophisticated for my tasks from the United and say, no, no, that's not that's the country. That's for that the

Chinese not get in the career with the engineering inverse and for other countries not have the level of cryptography. This algorithm protects many

secretos of states, much information, much telecommunications, and no, no, we're going to export this hardware that you want to want to run for consens. That's only we

sell them in the United. Because if they're... And there's a way of, if you get it out of yeah? Well, the groups of the mafia have been liable

for the power but that is very difficult, I mean, I know, I'd I'dudaria that even a cartel has the power

to buy something of a militia of a high level of the United and to put it to

put it to put it to to put up to do extremely regulated. And who if is they can't buy them? Empresas

of security of an auto-nive a lot of whether if you're the general electric and you're a business of

a house of antivirus and occupies the software. You're a agency federal or governmental also they're

they're selling or they're talking about software. I'm talking of hardware. I'm going to go to do it

to be a computer I can't use and crackkear a password at the more in

500 passwords per second. These machines arrohans about a million of passwords

per second. Like if you were like, they're doing millions of permutations and venting a lot of

possibilities. So, if a password of 10 digits with your computer you say, time

estimated to hackke the password, five hours. Here you will say 15 minutes. Because

is inventing more possibilities. So, contraceptions of high level to enter to

now now see to the phone of who you want political,

people important, rich or not rich, artist or not artist, with that type of equipment and you know,

20 minutes, 30, you know, you know, you know, you're, they're, they're using

the hackers in general that you can't identify that's a termination? Well,

we know, we're just we're just they're like, you're saying, so, that's technical,

we know, we can't to a computer just because you know, I'm I'm going to get to all the computers and I'm in

you know what you met us for where you web, to get you? Security web or security security web? Oh, what did you do you guys guyscripting cross-iriscate forgerty

SQL injection a bypass of the authentication in contrasted how cloned the hash cookie injection so are like techniques

that we use and into our language there there's a little particular and chistoso, that we we've been in a thing

that's about a little bit of a lot of different, you know, number's like, for example, in a

way, in a other to say, I'm a H-0, L4. So I'm so I'm like, but

it's been very really quick, but yeah, you know, it's like a model that is a lot of, you know, like, is the

phone there? The phone there. A Bermes, pass it. For that to us write a

computer. Yeah, more rapid but the computer. Yes, the laptop. No, yeah,

yeah, no, if you're disconnectal and pass me right. I'll I'm like

a blog of a so very very very rapid but is like a type

of format of how Well, so for program you occupies that

so, no? Well, let us let us to be where is the point, because we use much

symbology to programer. So, the sign of major-k, minor-k, for example, in languages of programming like

PHP is very utilised. So if we, you say, a person that is that not the computer to

the computer, from there, from there is there's not, and the, and the that's like

a question additional. There's there. There you will be to give us something.

Yeah, so I say, let's, uh, let's, scribe this. A bit,

let me a second, let me to open here. What do notas. I'm to say

a few please. For you do you do you say, you know, yeah.

Plebada, those I want much. They've been very good with

us with us. Much thanks for the support you. Let me

send a bese in the pure fundillo end bergiza with the there's there's

I combined for some those numbers and letters but so in this time we we're

we're messages and puhup but but you you're not you're you're gonna

where you're you're now imagine you can't you can't so you like you're like you

like you I'm sometimes me I'm chatteando like with some with

some some that we we know what we're just, that's more people? But it's culture, no,

it's culture of it. The culture of us it's like, it's like it's like to it's like, it's like,

what other thing we're maybe the hackers the same way language's of programation. So, if a person

you say, you know, that's PHP, I know, and it's less the syntaxis basic.

What is that? It's a language of programation orientated for the pages

web, many, many, many, formulas and We know, for example, languages compiled as C and C-Mas-Mas. Those are for you to do the application of WhatsApp, applications that are directly in the cellar,

not in the pages web. And if you're saying you a code-feworthe, a person expert, let's say, let's say that type of chaskarillo, to those are, to happen, some of us, or persons that want to form part of us. And I say, no,

still you have felt a programation, or still you still have a little of reds. Why not you're going to study that? and then you go to you know to us again. So,

you can integrate the team of the time. Because the very I'm need to

do you know what I'm to be any way to do you know what that's C,

C, Mx Ruby, Rust, Go. So, there is like some, there's

between 27 to 35 languages of programation that I know and that I can

know and that I'm people also do I'm only only do

program in Python that is the new that they're many hackers in the new school, that they've gotrawn and just studied the last language of programation, the

that's the way of it's all right, and parents are good. But, you're going to ask for other languages and say, no, that's no, that's, no, that's, no, so, no, so can't, any, how's any of that's free, and that's the programation of a low-nive-level,

me permit to talk something that's the language of the machine. So, then, that difference of them, that just programing pages, or programing co-s superficiales,

we can't do that to program those fierros. So I could say, I want to this robot or these chips make a certain situation.

So for that I use the language of programmation C, C, M, M, or Ensembleador. That's directly for that

functioned in the fierrows. And, look, yeah, it's a one to do the right, and I'll

go to see the code. And I go to do that I'm to do you do that I'm okay.

So, so that's we can't we can't talk to the machines. So, the hacker

can program electronics, robots, and the most. A programmer chaffa or a hacker chaffa of a high level, well, you know more to make yourself to the reds social,

or hackaute on WhatsApp, or hackyarte a Facebook. But if I say, no, you know, you know, you know, I'm trying to be a computer

and that's a little computer, me an actualize and you'll be a little here, here, I'm going to be more robust.

You have to have to be, where is the memory? You know, you know, Hey, you know,

Hector, I'm a computer a shingona, a way, a CPU, what, what would you

put you to be? In first I'd say, for what you do you're in, my podcasts, and that's rapidisim and

that's a video, targetes of video but parallelas in series. And, and if you are caro,

it's a computer with a computer with a computer, a core I-9, an Intel,

for that not the price very car, there, there of the mark Intel or the mark MD?

The MD is more barata, but Intel is more like a little bit more realogito specific. Let's, let's, let's tell, and the MD, of a repent, it's a even though it's good. And it's the, for a cost of a small of price. So, he would put a processor, Cori. 9,

he would put to us, a 128 gigas of RAM, a lot of something monstrousa, something potent, and he would put it, there's, there's it could be of the market Ati or the market Envidia, of the

famous GIFRs, how it's put them to some RTF the most advanced. Also, there are some some of the

DDR5 and they would be approximately some of my considerate of two or

four gigas the and he put a four. And I I'm sure

that the time that you're on renderization a video or what do you do it or

either also, well it depends of the editor and the the ability

but but for you put to convert export export. Export. Uff

more than a Mac. How much time you've done? A podcast of one hour A podcast of 4K

I think in some 15 15, 20 minutes with that really easy and so

so that's up that depends the internet depends of the but it's but not

it's much today now the only the only you have connected with the cable

direct and and since you I can get a mega yeah

with that it's it's very very good how it how they they

can't you he'll understander or no, let me we'll end up. Oh, and in price, how would

that's, that's, okay, that's a machine, I mean, like, I don't,

like, as the, I think the , I'm to go to get to $15,000 $0,000.

All the machine complete, it's, minimum, yeah, but one, 50,

but if you get a team of what's, of course, of, the, the,

the course are much but the things to serve to me, no, those,

I'm my computerers that I'm in my house every rata I'm I'm I'm from the chassises

of the most caros of the Dermalake or the Corsair and the more that have systems of

very good so much to the same machine I'm a computer and I put a

computer RAM and I'm using using my gabinets so

so so I'm so those three years yeah three three a

three years that do all the new windows is that 128

28 gigas of memory RAM is muchississimo. No, you pass this verga

with the processor also. No, and there are core 9, or so, yeah, we'd

get to use them as them as those are for the servers. It's much more rapid

than the core and but also it's good potency of computo. The Seon

would still still have more more than more than I'm, I'm, still I'm

to be a few minutes. 16 nucleus And with that In 5 minutes Yeah, it's A lot of 5 minutes, Yeah, it's a

Machinon That's a Yeah, Yeah, so is Yeah, so is Arriva to So yeah, Ector, To finalize, Pa

So, What, What's, Of those hackers That, that's, That's, they're

They're They're They're They're, But, no more They're They're doing Paxin'

W'r for ching a person. Well, no, so we do we're doing we're doing or crackers

and what I think of they're like in our mundy you we're saying lamers. It's a

form of offend them lamers, so it's above of the nubb. The lamer is a person

that no know that is a person who's there's a world that says, I'm vending

a software in 50 dollars that bypassed the antivirus and you infects the machine. But no occupants

or not you can't even know what you can't even if you put the IP of the person and Puma enter. But then you're using a software of someone else. You know, you know, knows to construct or what does. Nomble of the victim or a number of the victim or Correau of the victim, it's re-eners and you do it's enter. And the

people that for that's all the meredas, as we say, it's that all the day or he'll grab all his contacts, even to his friends. So there's a person who says, I'll, I'll, to what whatever whatever whatever and I'm

like to play a a point out of what they're going to be going to get a year of the and that they're

that you say like that that way that one of the criminal, he did you say that's what you know,

or of a person that just had five million pesos and with that he'd go to get to

a renta or something, you all right yeah, I'm over a little that's what far that's your

time is a Here we give us, until that no pass any for a recarrague of 10, carnal. Here no

have to have a lot of a lot of one robbing, yeah it's after a other 10 pesos,

in serious. As you're they're they're to saldard until that they not pass any

the recarga of 20 pesos. So if you're a victim of these people,

it's, they're not to do they're doing they're not even they're not we're just

we're we're we're even the people, the impet the the

Ganas or the faith of the if we can't turn to their page and we're

put them those groupitos for that they're doing with much it's something we

did it other way my other way my company my my you know

you know this guy that's Mr. Van without come five seven

yeah livian and let's let's let's let's let's

put and all what they do they they're they're they're another

another page and the two days I had I was

I was So, is that, way, the net is a culeer, whew, that's culler, that also use in their

tool to be hackers according to extortioner, we. That with any everything,

you know, they're they're to get to get a fairia, because that's a cullerada,

way. Or the of, vacac, or to do, business, way,

to the companies, well, yeah is other roo, but yeah that includes the bestine,

that the Primo, that the brother, that's a culler, way. Now that's

so you know the merciions. Not they're doing those tarugas. All right. My actor,

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thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you my

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