Love Life with Matthew Hussey - 247: Why He Disappeared After Sleeping With You

Episode Date: June 5, 2024

Have you ever gotten intimate with someone who seemed to show ALL the signs of wanting more with you, only for them to go cold afterwards? Why does this happen? And is there anything you can do to protect yourself from this happening again? In this episode, Matt and Audrey discuss why men can disappear after sex, how to judge whether to sleep with someone or not, and how not to get seduced by the wrong people.  ►► Sign up Now For My Free Weekly Newsletter, The 3 Relationships at . . . → http://www.The3Relationships.com   ►► Order My New Book, "Love Life" at → http://www.LoveLifeBook.com   ►► FREE Video Training: “Dating With Results” → http://www.DatingWithResults.com

We have to stop seeing it like I had sex with them so I've already given my power away. It's not true because that's not your power. Your power isn't something you can just give to someone in a moment of sex. welcome back to the love life podcast with me matthew hussey and audrey hussey opposite me hello there people have been asking for steven as well on the podcast i know there's been a lot of calls for steven say where's steven what have you done with him? Next week. Yeah. He's not in LA with us right now, but he is rejoining us in LA in a week's time. So we are going to have him back on, uh, some upcoming episodes. So look forward to those for anyone who hasn't signed up to the newsletter yet. I have a new newsletter I put out every single Friday.

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once a week. It is a bit like your private diary entry. Yeah. It's a part of me you don't get anywhere else. And a lot of people prefer reading to watching videos or listening to us yammer on on the podcast. Yammer, yammer, yammer. So if you want to join that, go to the3relationships.com. That is the number three, the3relationships.com and sign up. I have a question that came through that I want to talk about today. I will not share the name of the person who sent this in, but they sent a question I thought was really relatable. And I was wondering what you thought about it matthew she said can you speak to the male psychology behind sleeping together why do men withdraw so quickly even though they seem so smitten on the date why the hell do you do that? Me personally? Your gender. My kind.

You know, look, I think the really pessimistic way of looking at it is like men only want one thing. They're just trying to manipulate you into bed. And then once they've got what they want, they're not interested anymore. And there's, of course, a percentage of guys who are like that but i also think that there's a lot of guys who on some level might even find themselves carried away with their own like they they could be on a date and find it hard to separate how much of what they're saying and feeling how smitten they're coming across for example how much of that is to do with how much they really like the person in front of them versus they're just attracted to the person in

front of them so pause there a second because i think it's really interesting is it the case and i'm not you know i am generalizing in this instance because obviously men and women it's not just one size fits all there's plenty of women who will act, you know, in the same way that this person is describing, there's also plenty of men who, you know, would get really, really hurt if they slept with some woman and she said she wasn't interested. So it's not, you know, it is not one size fits all. But there is definitely a phenomenon, because a lot of people reach out to us and they say, I was seeing this guy it was going really well you know he was really interested and then when we slept together

he pulled away or when we slept together he stopped showing interest or he actually didn't want a relationship you know he was kind of talking in all sorts of ways before that when you just said something that I want to pick up on which is men not necessarily in those in those moments knowing whether or not they're truly interested in the person or whether they just basically want to sleep with them and that being the driving force behind all of their interest so can you speak to kind of what sex means to men in the early stages of dating and again we're generalizing here so just caveat this by saying we know this doesn't apply to everybody but just to that kind of situation what does sex mean to men in early dating i don't think sex means nothing

to to all men you know i i think it would be easy to draw a stereotype like sex doesn't mean anything to men. So don't think that it does because you'll get yourself in trouble that way. You'll think that them having sex with you has some special meaning or creates a bond that it doesn't. That isn't true of all men. Some men absolutely value sex really highly. And for them, the idea like sleeping with someone is a very mean, I've got friends, people immediately come to mind who I know sex means a great deal too. And for that reason, especially if they like someone, they're not necessarily rushing into

bed with that person. And if they don't like someone, they're probably not trying to get into bed with that person in the first place i do know guys like that i also know plenty of guys for whom sex means absolutely nothing where sleeping with someone for them is like a cup of tea it's like a cup of tea you know if to elaborate on that sorry what the hell do you mean by a cup of tea you fancy a cup of tea but you don't it's i don't know that you think of a cup of tea is like particularly meaningful unless you're eckhart tolle in which case it's deeply meaningful everything is meaningful a universe is contained within a cup of tea but if you're the average man the well not even the average man i think there's a decent

proportion of men for whom sex is just like you know it's a hunger it's a it's a desire a thirst to be quenched and then you know pete holmes in his book comedy sex god talked about masturbating to porn and how you know that feeling that he got after orgasm was to kind of almost be like you know what am i doing like where am i what's why did what's going on like that feeling of kind of almost just like why did i do that you know that there was this it felt so important before the fact and then after orgasm it was like oh god i just want to close this laptop now and you know get out of here and go on with my day and i think that that can happen for a lot of people with sex where there's even as the perel talks about it this like desire a lot of people have men and women to immediately separate after sex like a lot of people feel that

urge and i think people can especially feel that urge if they don't have a real emotional connection with someone um what the the effort that they were putting in was driven just by a desire to have that need met have that thirst quenched and then once it is there's this desire to separate because it it's a kind of like I don't know this person I don't who are you what am I doing here yeah how do I get out like I don't I don't mean that harshly but I think that's a very common urge for a lot of people no I think I think it is I I heard once which I thought was really interesting which is kind of what you're saying that in the same way I suppose it speaks to your cup of tea comment in the same way that um you might get hungry or be thirsty or you know crave something like that sex to a lot of

men is almost one of those needs where there's just no emotion really behind it. It's like just being hungry and wanting to go and eat something. I think it can happen for some women too. Some women have that relationship with sex. I think, I think, and really, I totally agree. And I think the reason I'm honing in on men in this particular way is because this was asked by a female listener and also we do get a lot of women who talk about you know this kind of pattern that seems to happen in dating where men put in all of this effort and then they pull away once they get sex we don't really hear that from men i'm not saying

it doesn't exist but i want to speak to that specific well and of course there's that there's a lot of that you know i hear from guys in the gay community that experience that yeah where for them sex means something so men are the problem i'm joking yeah and they are encountering guys for whom sex is you know certainly on the surface meaningless or in the way they're having it meaningless and you know they're struggling to find a real relationship because they're coming across a lot of people for whom that intimacy doesn't seem to mean a lot beneath the animalistic urge so how do you protect yourself this is my question because i think i agree with everything we're saying,

but I just think it's really, really confusing because, you know, when you're in that moment where you are on a date with someone, they are sort of talking about the future and being like, oh, my mom would love you or stuff like that. I'm making this up. It's the kind of shit that people say. And, you know, they say all these things and they're so familiar.

And, you know, maybe like there's an element of being familiar with you all these things and they're so familiar and you know maybe like there's an element of being familiar with you with other people that they're meeting when they're on a date and joking around all this stuff which makes you go oh maybe it's safe to sleep with this person you then decide they really like me and I'm gauging the fact that they like me on the fact that we've been on four dates that they they're saying all these things, that they're acting in this way. So I actually, I feel comfortable enough to sleep with them. Meanwhile, the moment you do that, it's almost like Jekyll and Hyde.

Next day, you're not getting as many messages. They pull away. They're no longer interested. How do you protect yourself from that kind of behavior? Well, you can't account for everything in life right like there is i would say there is a difference between you go on one date with someone and you go home with them and then they suddenly go cold that to me is like kind of in a way the one extreme end of the spectrum. Not that I think that sleeping with someone on night one is extreme.

I'm just saying like that's one end of the spectrum where you're really taking your chances. Because you have no idea this person's intentions or whether they really want more you're taking a massive chance that they've really gotten emotionally connected to you in that night yeah and you're treating sex in a casual way by having it with somebody that you've not had any of those conversations with well you may not be thinking you're treating it in a casual way i think that's what's interesting is you you may go on a date with someone and after four hours or five hours, you may feel very bought into this person. You may be quickly buying into this story that, oh my God, this is something incredibly special. And even though I wouldn't normally have sex with someone this quickly, something about this situation feels really right and so i think it's entirely possible for someone for whom sex does mean a lot to tell themselves a story in a very short space of time

for sure that allows them to go and do that but that's a very dangerous thing to do because you're assuming that other person is bought into that story in that same way and they may not be there's more and more i would argue responsibility on the part of the person who is leading you down a path emotionally yeah and continuing to see you and you know make you feel very invested if their intention is to just get to that point so that they can sleep with you and then move on, then there's a share of, I don't know if we want to say blame or there's a, you know, you kind of, on some level you have to acknowledge that you have played a part in someone's pain. They're deceiving you in that way, I think a little bit. There's a, there's a deceit to it

because there's not an up, no, because I think. But the, when you, when I hear deceit to it because there's not an up no because the chat but the chat that when you when i hear deceit i think the part of that that sometimes i this is where i'm i have to be really careful because i feel like i don't want the responsibility should is always has to be on us to be like do i want to do this at this stage and am i okay if nothing comes of this? Am I okay with doing it at this stage? I think we have to empower ourselves to say that because otherwise we're taking away our own power, and I don't think we should ever give someone else that power. And I also think that this is where it gets really tricky, right?

Because you could be going on multiple dates with someone who never says that they want anything more who never says that they're in the market for a relationship who is only ever hanging out with you kind of casually and has never said that sex means anything significant to them but in our, because we've seen them four times and hung out a bunch, we're starting to attach a lot of meaning to it. But there's still a bit of an assumption there that they're attaching the same meaning to it. And I do think that the higher the stakes are for us around different levels of intimacy, the more we have to take it upon ourselves to communicate you know yeah what does sex mean to you i love that you're saying that

about the you know empowering yourself to you're not at the mercy of somebody else if you are able to communicate what sex means to you um what you kind of expect from being intimate you know what what you see tomorrow looking like after you're intimate and you know the next week and the next month looking like I think I think being able to have these conversations and in a way, you know, if you're not able to have these conversations, maybe, and you know that you're somebody who gets very attached if you get physical with someone. I know I'm like that, you know, I'm somebody who isn't capable, has never been capable, obviously now we're together, but in my past I was never ever capable of having casual sex. I just wasn't one of those people. And so it's about knowing yourself

well enough to know if that person never called you back, how would you feel? And if the answer is I would be devastated, but I still don't feel comfortable enough to have that conversation, then maybe I shouldn't sleep with them because that's not a gamble I'm willing to take. And I love what you said about, you know, I think it's so, so important about empowering ourselves to recognize that we can make those decisions. why is it i would feel if if sex means something very significant to me why would i feel comfortable jumping into bed with someone and engaging in this act that is really meaningful to me yeah you know what it's there's a weird like well i think paradox to that right like i'm not comfortable enough to have yeah they do get carried away that's absolutely we all do you know in in moments and it's exciting and you just really like someone that you're more likely to get carried away and be like oh i wouldn't have done that if i wasn't

swept up in something yeah and but that's where i think again accountability we have to have an incredible level of self-awareness around what how has this made me feel in the past when i just get swept away what what are my emotions the next morning yeah the next day how does it make me feel and if the answer is it doesn't make me feel good it makes me feel anxious it makes me feel like i wish i had clarified our intentions beforehand or i wish i had clarified with this person what sex means to them if that's been the answer nine times out of ten then it's not going to have a different answer this time around yeah and that self-awareness can make us go oh yeah i know i it's like drinking right it's like

a certain point in life a lot of us realize that there's a moment where we're drinking where we might have got swept away into the third or fourth or fifth drink and there's a certain drink that it tips over into i'm gonna feel terrible terrible tomorrow. You're really good at that. We'll go out for, we don't drink very much, but when we go out and we have a few drinks, I'm like, let's have more. And you're like, you're one drink away from having a hard time tomorrow and being too drunk tonight.

And I'm always resentful in the moment, but the next day I'm like, oh, thank you so much. I don't have the same ability with food yeah I don't have the same ability with food I haven't developed the same ability with food I still will overeat and then go home and regret it so I I but I am good with that and alcohol yeah but I you know when you do that enough times and there comes a point where you're you're like how do I feel afterwards? I think that life is made up of those things. What, when I do it, after I've done it, makes me say, I'm so glad I did that. And what, when I do it, after I've done it, makes me say, I wish I didn't do that.

And if you pay attention to those things that, after you've done them, make you say, I wish I hadn't done that even though in the moment you really wanted to the feeling afterwards can be your your guide the feeling that you're trying to avoid afterwards well you know we had a woman on our retreat who said that when she started being able to say no to people for sex on a first date which historically she hadn't done and you know she would always wake up feeling i wish i hadn't done that even though in the moment she felt like she wanted to afterwards when she started saying no she would wake up and be like oh my god i'm so glad that i did that and again i don't want this is not this episode has

nothing to do nothing i'm saying has anything to do with like whether it's good or bad to do to have sex with someone there's no judgment yourself yeah it's knowing yourself yourself some people are okay with it and other people aren't and i think yeah we just have to know where you fall on that spectrum i have a question for you though because I think I'm hearing I'm hearing all of this I'm like yep great but there's two things that are coming out to me the first one is it seems on the outside anyway looking in that there are some men who know that they're never wanting anything intentional with you who are well aware from the first date that they are never going to intentional with you who are well aware from the first date

that they are never going to want to be in a committed relationship with you yet they never disclose that they continue to kind of soft love bomb you and show interest and do all those things and there is a kind of like unspoken thing where I think they know that if they were upfront about that, then they wouldn't necessarily, they would lose out on the opportunity to sleep with you. So they're not upfront about it. Do you think that's fair? Do you think that happens a lot? Because it seems from the outside looking in as a woman, and as I know this listener who sent in this question, I know exactly what she's feeling. does feel that way i think for guys that do that i think there is a level of evolution that a mature person with a high degree of empathy should reach where they say you know look if you meet someone at a

bar and you end up going home together do i think that you need to tell that person beforehand just so you know i don't want a relationship no of course no if you've been seeing someone for multiple dates and you know you don't want anything and it's quite clear to you that they are dating with intention do i think that you should mention to that person that that's not what you're in the market for before that before you have sex with them yes and i think that a lot of people have hurt a lot of people, myself included. I'm not trying to put myself on any kind of pedestal here and be righteous. You know, I've hurt people the same way in my life. And when I look back on those things, I look back with some regret at having not been more transparent i also think because i believe in giving people things they can use

and in a way me talking about what people should do doesn't help the person that's on the receiving end of a situation like that but it does help to hear that you know women aren't crazy when they feel that way yeah and that they are getting a completely different version of someone on a date versus afterwards because it can make you feel crazy right you're like you know so i think it does help to to hear that it's not in our heads no i certainly don't think it i wouldn't i would never say it no no i'm not saying you did but i'm saying i think it I think it's actually going to be helpful to people to be like thank you you know some people do do that as you say who not necessarily terrible people bad people whatever just people who aren't evolved and who are quite frankly being selfish and yeah I think

it comes down to look there's clearly a level of manipulation that's much more insidious yeah where you're pretending you want something you don't just to get to that point and so on but you know i write about in the book the much more common type of person is the avoider is the person who just won't bring up the fact that you know they don't want a relationship because they know that it probably there's a high chance it will affect whether that person sleeps with them. And by the way, like there's a lot of guys who don't feel that sex is very readily available that find themselves in a situation, I'm not saying this is right, but it's the truth, who feel like they, like if we described like for a lot of, for some people, sex is like a hunger

that they want to satiate and they're the kind of person that doesn't get a meal very often, then that person has to have a high degree of integrity to find that they're in a situation where they can have sex with someone. And they're now going to potentially blow it by saying, just so you know, I don't want a relationship. Just so you know, I't want a relationship just so you know i'm not looking for anything because in their mind they're like i don't know when this could happen again yeah but don't get another person involved in that because then the other person has to recover from the fact

that they were used i'm not saying it's right yeah i'm just saying that's what you're dealing with yeah like i don't none of that is right it's just yeah that's the world you're living in and and the reason i'm saying that is because it's it behooves everyone who is being intentional in their love lives to take it upon themselves to communicate what things mean to them what they want and under what kind of assumptions they are moving forward and i don't think most people are flat out liars i don't i think they will avoid uncomfortable situations but i don't think the majority of people will say that they really want a relationship when I don't think the majority of people will say that they really want a relationship when they don't I think that's such a good point and I think you

have to be ready to find out in an elegant way how where somebody stands where the person in front of you stands in terms of wanting a relationship and and whether you know what they want in life right now you said something that I I just really want you to to say here because I remember when you said it to me I was like oh my god that's so interesting this idea of not never assuming that sex is going to make somebody like you more can you speak a little bit to that because I think for again generalizing and I know I'm generalizing, but I do think, I can speak for myself here, and I know a lot of other women, this writer, this person who's written in, sex makes you more attached. So if you sleep with someone, you actually feel closer to that person, you feel more invested in that person, and it does solidify the, maybe, you know, if the sex was good

and you feel connected and you had a great time on top of it, and you like this person, it makes you feel more connected to them. That's obviously how a lot of women feel after sex when they're being intentional. But you said there was something very different in the experience of certain men. Can you speak to that? Yeah. And I want to emphasize certain men because there are, I feel like I have to keep banging the drum for guys who aren't like this because there are a lot of guys out there who are not like this. And I'm not someone who doesn't think that there's different, there's kind of generalizations that can be made between the sexes. Cause I think there, there are some generalizations that if you were just looking for a survival guide, you could include, but there are some men for whom

they will sleep with a woman who's absolutely not being intentional, who is just using him. He's just like her bit on the side right now while she looks for something else. And those guys get steamrolled and they do, they did sleep with that woman and find that like, oh my God, I'm so into her. I really, really like this woman. I really want this woman. And, and, you know, he becomes this person that she just strings along. You know, you hear that story from guys a lot. So, you know, women out there who feel like they're getting strung along, I do want you to know that there are many guys who are having the same experience with women who are just using them until they find something better, you know, or whatever they perceive as better. But for the guys that don't

operate that way, for the guys that are just looking for sex. Do you think it's majority of guys or do you think, because I think it's maybe not majority maybe i'm skewed by obviously you know everybody that writes in and talks about it but it does feel like there are plenty of men where sex doesn't really mean that much to them because they're trying to get it i think it's i think it you could say it's the majority of guys until those guys meet someone they they fall head over heels for and then all of a sudden i think that many of them are just as capable of feeling hurt and feeling like you know i slept with that person i really like them I don't want this to go away. I don't want this person to go away. Like, how do I hold on to them?

And feeling like I don't know how to hold on to them. You know, she feels so elusive. She feels, you know, difficult to hold on to. I do think that you could say that a lot of guys have the experience of sex meaning nothing to them until they meet someone who pushes their buttons by the way the person who pushes his buttons might push them for the wrong reasons right they might push their buttons because they're unavailable because that guy that activates that guy's wound that guy's trauma and she looks like a person that he wanted back in high school but couldn't get and you know or she seems like that kind of person and he thinks now oh my god this

is it this is the kind of person that will complete me and then finds that she's really hard to hold on to or she's just messing him around but keeps running after her anyway you know i think when someone comes along that pushes his buttons he's just as capable of becoming romantic about all of those things and feeling absolutely crestfallen that she doesn't want to sleep with him again that she doesn't want to see him again that she slept with someone else the week after you know so I there's a lot of that but will I say you know do I think that there's a lot more men who can sleep with someone and treat it like it was just you know it was just two bodies rubbing together and it was tea now it's over and that was that yeah i do but you said and i do and i do think that it's really a

mistake to think that their feelings are going to be moved forward by having sex i think that is a massive massive mistake you i think you have to look at where you are now and say are we at a place of real intimacy are we at a place of real connection are we do does this feel like something is that validated when i talk to them yeah it's it's almost like sex is supposed to solidify a pre-existing connection not create a connection yeah exactly it's just a it's just an an organic progression of a connection but it absolutely shouldn't be taken to be the thing that will create one and it's why again it's why we have to be the ones communicating in a very open way we have to be a little bit more proud of our relationship with these things

instead of hiding it and being like oh but what but what if it scares them away? Or what if I show that sex means a lot to me? And I just, you know, you can be honest, like be real. I'm not, if this is true, you can say, hey, look, sex means a lot to me. I'm not a religious person and I'm not someone who believes in, you know, waiting and waiting and waiting, but it means something to me. And I'm not the kind of person who would be doing that with someone that I didn't feel a real connection with and I didn't feel was really open to seeing where it went yeah is that where you come from with this are you you know like I'm I don't know if you and I are right for each other but I know that I wouldn't be doing this with you

if I didn't think that there was real potential here to explore do you feel the same or you say you're not in them are you or are you not looking for a relationship you know i you have to be willing to say that and you have to say it as matter of factors you know back when i did a safe sex campaign for trojan condoms it was the biggest problem the biggest problem in unsafe sex was people not being willing to ask a guy to put on a condom or let me rephrase that to tell a guy i'm not doing this unless you put on a condom that was a huge problem yeah of course feeling like i can't say that yeah because because a lot of women don't feel like they can speak out and i think i mean that's a whole other conversation that's the part that has to change is i'm not ashamed of this it's it's this for me is like yeah this will be really fun to do in that context let's say but i'm absolutely

i i would never do that unless someone unless you wore a condom absolutely not it's not that's my standard you know I think something that's also a good way of saying it if if again this is something that speaks to you for a lot of people it won't be necessary for them but something that I think is quite a useful thing that you can say is before you get intimate with someone you can express that you don't feel comfortable sleeping with someone who's also sleeping with multiple people therefore as much as you want to do it you want to wait until you actually feel like you know you're both going oh this could kind of be something let's focus on each other i love that and i think it's a really great way fair enough because you know a lot of people like again i i

am of the opinion that i wouldn't feel comfortable when i was single to sleep with someone who was sleeping with multiple people and that is because it just wouldn't sit right with me and would make me feel uncomfortable and so i think that i think that that is absolutely fine to communicate and people who are turned off by that by the way are not people who are being that intentional and people who are being intentional will actually be that what you just said will be very attractive yeah people who are being intentional will see that as a green light yeah they're not gonna see hear that and go oh red flag she's you know like she's she values intimacy they're gonna hear that and go oh wow that's i really respect that

and she's being highly intentional and she's brave and she's confident and she knows what she wants she's not saying it it's like not nothing you just said is aggressive nothing you just said is like comes across as high maintenance it literally just comes across as someone who values this thing it's special to you're comfortable with yeah and and again i feel like we've done a lot of this but you know this won't speak to everybody because there'd be plenty of women out there who are like i don't feel like i need exclusivity before sleeping with someone and that's totally cool i think you just have to go to go back to what you were saying. Be honest with how you feel and where you are and what you will feel if this person disappeared tomorrow after sleeping with them and then make your decision based on that.

And if you don't know and you want to find out, communicate. And by the way, even if you don't need exclusivity before sleeping with someone, if you're one of those people you just spoke to, talked about, remember it, you can reset the boundaries anytime you want. If you end up saying to someone, Hey, look, the truth is I really like you. And I think we have something really interesting. And I don't, you know, if we're going to continue to do this, I want it to be because we actually want to see where it goes and we're doing it to the exclusion of other people. That is something you get to say after your fifth time of sleeping with someone.

Yeah, that's so true. You don't, it's not like, oh, I did it now. Now this is the, now this is what's expected. Because a lot of people feel that. Like, don't ever let someone kind of make you feel like they should be entitled to what they've been getting just because they got it already. I love that. And that's another way you hold on to your power is that you didn't, we have to stop seeing it. Like, I had sex with them so i've

already given my power away that's not true because that's not your power your power isn't something you can just give to someone in a moment of sex your power is something you have you can either claim it or not but you have it it's yours so at any point you can say to someone yeah we did that it was was fun. Own it. It was fun. I don't, I wouldn't take it back. I don't regret it. But if we're going to keep doing this, you know, the truth is I already feel kind of attached to you. I already feel like I like you. If we're going to keep doing it is for me, it has to be because this means something. And because we're actually giving this a go. And if you're not there, that's also okay i i enjoyed the time we spent together but

well i'm happy to carry on dating but i'm not happy to do that yeah i'm happy to still see each other until you feel like you're happy to just focus on on me let us know what you think email us podcast at matthewhussey.com. What did this bring up for you? Was it in any way healing for you? Did it help you clarify anything? Has it made you shift your feelings around how you would communicate in the future? Let us know podcast at matthewhussey.com. We've been enjoying reading your emails and in future episodes, I'd love to read out more of your emails as well. And if you haven't already seen our free training, which is really a foundational training that I created along with Audrey to help anyone who wants to avoid the casual dating trap, find someone special and create real momentum that leads to a

relationship. We put together this free training called Dating with Results that you can watch right now at datingwithresults.com. All you need to do is give your email address and I'll get you instant access to that training. It's called Dating with Results and you can find it at datingwithresults.com. Thank you so much for listening or watching if you saw this on youtube thank you audrey for a really great conversation today i loved everything you said it was so interesting you too and i love your kind of script for how to have the conversation with someone i thought that was really great um we will see you next time in the next episode of love life. Be well friends and love life.