Love Life with Matthew Hussey - (Rewind): Love & Money: 5 Awkward Questions Answered (feat. Ramit Sethi)

Episode Date: November 17, 2023

One thing no one ever warns you about happy relationships is just how many awkward conversations they can require you to have. And despite all the big ones of politics, religion and family – I find one topic almost no one wants to talk about is money. Who should pay on a date? Should you be honest with your partner how much money (or debt) you have? How do you handle it when one of you earns significantly higher income in a relationship than the other? These are all hugely important, and yet most people bury their heads in the sand and hope these issues will magically work themselves out if you’re truly in love (pro tip: they won’t). So in this week’s video, I sat down with my good friend Ramit Sethi, bestselling author and CEO of "I Will Teach You To Be Rich," to learn exactly how to have these difficult conversations so you can feel happy and secure about money in your relationship. I’ve never talked about this before, so I can’t wait to hear your comments on this one... Appearance by RAMIT SETHI Ramit Sethi iwillteachyoutoberich.com @ramit   ►► FREE Video Training: "Dating With Results" → http://www.DatingWithResults.com

If you go on a date with a guy and you don't offer to pay your share, you weren't taught right. If you go on a date and he doesn't pay, he wasn't taught right. Hey everyone, it's Matthew Hussey with the Love Life Podcast. Thank you so much for being here. I think you're going to enjoy this clip. It's a classic from the archives. And if you want to let me know what you think or how this podcast is helping you, don't forget to leave me a review on iTunes under the Love Life podcast. Enjoy. I am here today with a friend of mine, a special guest. His name is Ramit Sethi, CEO of I Will Teach You To Be Rich. And he's right here. How are you doing?

I'm good. Thanks for having me. It's exciting. We always meet for dinner. I know. And we never have met on camera. I love this. Thanks for having me. It's exciting. This is, we always meet for like dinner. I know. And we never have met on camera. I love this. Is this our first time meeting on camera? Uh, yeah.

Wow. This is the first. I know. I can feel the energy. I'm nervous. So here's what I did. I put out the word on Instagram to say, I'm going to be talking about money, money and relationships, money and dating.

What do you want to know? Here's what you had to say. And I'm just going to fire these questions at you Rami and I see where we get to. If he can't financially provide for a family, should you proceed with the relationship? My god, they're really... Did you know I'd be putting you on the spot? No, I'm sweating. It's 50 degrees and I'm dripping in sweat. I think the politically correct answer is that Of course, you know, there's there's more to life than just financially providing but I think we should be honest I think that for many people Your financial wherewithal is an important consideration in a relationship and we should be honest now should it be the only thing? No, of course not

But if you think about the kind of lifestyle that you want to lead and that you want to lead jointly with your partner, that probably involves money. That involves maybe living in a certain place. It involves how many kids you want to have, what kind of school are they going to go to, and activities. That takes money. And I think we should, instead of putting our head in the sand and saying love is enough, love is important, but it's one part of a relationship. And finances are really important. If you expect to live a certain type of lifestyle and that's what you've envisioned your whole life, then the partner that you choose needs to be aligned with that. Or you need to be prepared to re-evaluate your vision for the life you thought you'd have, right? If love really is enough, then it's enough

to re- reevaluate your entire blueprint for the life you thought you'd have absolutely and there's a lot of that to be said when you get into a partnership when you get into a serious relationship the vision you had for your life will necessarily change it has to because now you're a team you're not just one that's okay I actually look forward to that I welcome. But you do not want to be bringing resentment into a relationship. You want to be confident and comfortable with what your vision is and make sure that you're on the same page. Yeah. And we've probably summarized that

by saying either change your vision or change the person. There you go. One of the two. What to pay for on dates so that he won't think you're taking advantage of him? What things should he pay for? Okay, first of all, I just want to say you have the single best answer anywhere in the world on this question. Everybody go watch his video. It's so good about should you pay for the date? Jameson, throw up a little clip of that. If you go on a date with a guy and you don't offer to pay your share you weren't taught right if you go on a date and he doesn't pay he wasn't taught right I love what you said on your video though making the offer matters and I think after two or three dates like really making a strong offer and saying this one's on me

it goes so far it goes so far and I told my wife when we met and we started getting more serious I said you wouldn't believe what it meant to me that you actually picked up the check after date number three or four like it meant a lot to me and she was surprised I don't think she had realized what men's perspective on this is well I think that is the danger is that it's such an intensely awkward subject for a guy to even bring up. Oh, yeah that

He's far more likely just to hold on to this resentment about it That's gonna come out later down the line, or even decide to stop going on dates with this person altogether because he feels taken for granted. Is it better to have separate bank accounts and pay for things half-half or have one joint account to pay for things with? Both.

What I would recommend for everyone is have a joint account where you combine some of your finances, and that would be things like maybe your mortgage or your rent, groceries, things that are joint expenses. From that, you also have your individual accounts. That's money you can take and spend on whatever you want. No questions asked. It's your discretion. Go and enjoy it. And you can discuss how much goes in each account, but I think it's important to

have a joint unit and individual units. I like that. So you have a sense of togetherness about something, but you don't lose a sense of togetherness about something but you don't lose that sense of independence in what you're doing financially. Exactly. How do you tell a potential partner that you have a lot of student loan debt without making them run the other way?

It's a good one. I guess that we could apply that not just to student loan debt, but anyone with credit card debt or any kind of financial baggage. Yep. How do they communicate that? What responsibility do they have to communicate that? They definitely have a responsibility.

If you're getting into a partnership, you've got to put it all out on the table. And the way to do that without freaking your partner out is, number one, to be proactive. Don't wait for them to be knocking on the door and saying, hey, like, I have a feeling there's something not good here. That's a bad place to be. to be proactive don't wait for them to be knocking on the door and saying hey like I have a feeling there's something not good here that's a bad place to be so be proactive and the second thing is to be calm to be forthright and then to tell them your plan now notice in order to get there you have to do a lot of work like 95% of the people who write me with debt don't even know how much they actually owe. So to have this conversation means you need to get straight with yourself first and you need

to be confident. That takes some self-work before you go and have the conversation with your partner. I really like that. I like the idea that you're proactive. I like the idea that you bring a confidence to the plan. I think that's the key is that you're, you're, look, we all find ourselves in difficult positions at one time or another in our life. Things don't always go to plan. But if we come to someone saying it to me, I always say the same thing to women about if you have a job you don't like, you don't, you don't have to, you know, is it more attractive to be doing a job you love? Yes. But you don't have to be doing a job you love? Yes. But you don't have to be doing a job you love right now. If you do a job you hate right now, you shouldn't talk all

day about the job you hate. You should talk about your excitement, about the transition you're trying to make. Absolutely. That, you know, talk about the plan. And so I like the idea that, you know, no one's perfect. You might come to a relationship with debt or with, you know, financial issues. But if you can confidently say, here's what I'm doing about it that a Confidence and be the perceived competence in you dealing with it Yeah, that becomes attractive in and of itself Exactly in a world where men still often are seen in the role of provider and leader How can a woman financially contribute

without hurting a man's ego, especially if earning more money than him? I feel like one of the times that that practically comes up is when the partner earning more money wants to do certain things. Yeah. And, you know, wants to take that spontaneous trip somewhere, wants to go and stay in that hotel, and their partner isn't able to just make that decision to go. And I think probably, culturally speaking, that's harder for a woman who just decides, I want to go and do this, and he's thinking, I can't. I don't have the means to go on that trip you want to go and do this. And he's thinking, I can't, I don't have the means to go on that trip

you want to go on. Do you think in that sense, the woman should just, okay, she wants to go. She just pays because she's got the means and he hasn't, and doesn't make a big deal out of it says, you know, I want to go and I don't mind taking care of it. Let's go. What do you think? I think that, first of all, that situation is complex for either party, man or woman, if the higher earner just wants to go somewhere on a whim. But there's an added layer of complexity with the cultural narrative of it being a woman who has more money. So we should just acknowledge that.

That's a new thing. We should acknowledge that that's tricky for anyone. With that said, if you have the financial wherewithal and you're comfortable paying for your partner, that person's your partner. I think that's perfectly reasonable. I do love what you just offhandedly said. You said, should they not make a big deal out of it? So much of making finances work is actually not making a big deal of it. Notice I'm not coming to you, excuse me, I have this question that makes me really nervous and I've been agonizing over it. Of course that person's gonna detect your energy

and they're gonna get defensive. But if you say, you know what, I've been thinking, I really loved how we spent time together two months ago in Italy, and I would love to take a trip to Thailand this December. And I was thinking that I would make it a treat and we would have a great time. What do you think about that? Yeah, I think that's interesting because there's, I also think

as much as people can come with a timidity about that kind of thing, they can also come with a, they're from either man or woman. When someone earns more money, it's very easy to inadvertently bully someone with that. Like what would they do? What's an example? I feel like there are times when instead of making little of it and being like, don't worry about it. I just want to, I just think it would be fun for us to go. There's the sense of, um, people almost putting it in each other in someone's face that I'm doing this yeah and that's talking you know I or even bringing it up at a later date I've done you know I'm the one who paid for that trip I'm the one who it's very easy when someone has means to kind of psychologically or emotionally bully

someone yeah that's about that to make them feel less than because you're doing it for them. You have to acknowledge these dynamics. You have to be thinking about this. And that's just the cost of your success. The cost of your success means you now have to think about things that you didn't used to have to think about. That was great, man. I enjoyed that. Thanks for having me. That was awesome. I think that was super useful. I am excited to see what you think. Why don't you leave us a comment? Let us know what's the one piece of advice from everything we just talked about that

you feel is most useful and relevant to you right now. Leave us a comment and go check out Ramit's site as well. He is at Iwillteachyoutoberich. And what's your Instagram? Ramit. R-A-M-I-T. We'll see you soon. Thanks, guys. I will teach you to be rich. And what's your Instagram? Ramit, R-A-M-I-T. We'll see you soon.

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