Love Life with Matthew Hussey - Why Finding Love Today Feels Impossible (and How to Fix It)

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

Have you ever felt like the dating world is rigged against you? In this week’s episode, Matthew, Audrey, and Stephen dive into why finding love feels harder than ever and explore the recent shifts t...hat have left so many people feeling stuck and isolated.  They also share practical tools to help you expand your social circle and build meaningful connections without burning out. If you’ve ever wondered how to take back control of your love life and create the relationship you actually want, this episode is packed with actionable advice to make that happen. Links: ►► Don’t miss the Love Life Reset next week: It only takes 5 seconds to sign up for Matthew’s final live online training of 2025! Discover the one crucial step to reclaim your confidence in love. Save your free seat now at LoveLifeReset.com ►► Try Matthew AI for free and get personalized coaching anytime: AskMH.com ►► Join the 2-day Matthew Hussey Retreat Oct. 18-19 (in person in Miami or virtual): MHRetreat.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Do you want to know the reason why you can't seem to get the love life you want? It is not because you're not attractive enough, or special enough, or worthy enough. And despite how complicated dating seems to have become, beautiful new relationships are found every day. It is not some fairy tale. It's real, and it's possible for you. So then why does it feel like it works out for everyone else but you? The truth is, the game of finding and keeping love is rigged for you to fail.
Starting point is 00:00:33 It's like this impossible competition of trying to prove that you are more special than thousands of other people on dating apps, which is a game none of us can win. And on top of that, it's like we get forced into having to convince someone else to put in enough effort just to go on a first date, let alone invest in a committed relationship. And all of this before the real relationship has even begun. at which point for many of us, our own insecurities and self-sabotaging patterns start showing up. Listen, we have to take back control and start playing this game on our own terms, or nothing will change. The good news is that you can reset the way that you approach your love life right now.
Starting point is 00:01:12 When you do, things are finally going to start falling into place. I promise you, it is not too late. That's why I'm hosting a free live training called the Love Life Reset. Inside, I'm going to show you the one crucial step almost everyone misses, the step that hands you back your confidence, your peace and your excitement for love. So if you want to take your power back, click the link, save your spot, and let's do this together. I promise you, you can get different results in love. Just join me for the Love Life Reset Training and I will show you how.
Starting point is 00:01:46 See you there. Welcome back to the Love Life Podcast. everybody with me, Matthew Hussie, Stephen Hussie, and the third Hussie, Audrey Hussie, and the fourth Hussie. Baby Hussie that is in Audrey's belly right now. Welcome, everyone. We have a great episode coming up today. We talk all about a crazy statistic in dating right now, which you're going to want to hear. And we talk about what could be some of the possible antidotes to it. You know, we talk about why dating is so difficult these days and why we are so isolated, but also give some hope in some practical tools that people can use to get out there, create more opportunity,
Starting point is 00:02:34 feel less isolated, and expand their social world without burning out. We also answer a question from one of our love life listeners about running into an ex and feeling like they're further ahead than you, isn't it just the worst? And we do another segment of Steve. sleeves all of that coming up today this is going to be a good one let's go by the year 2035 nearly 50% of women will be single I saw this online and I didn't like it why women isn't it just people I think Morgan Stanley who published this data are far more interested in whether women are single in 2035. Why?
Starting point is 00:03:25 Yeah, I'm not sure. Why does it say women are not men? I don't know. Is it provocative? It's definitely more provocative. They do say women are higher spending consumers, so maybe they're interested in what women are going to spend their money on in the future. Let's see how it sounds if you say men.
Starting point is 00:03:42 By 2035, nearly 50% of men will be single. How does that sound? It doesn't sound as impactful, does it? Do people just go, well, that makes sense? That's a very depressing statistic, I think. But you know what I found really interesting is that I saw this statistic online. And I saw it on Instagram initially. And I clicked on the comment section.
Starting point is 00:04:11 And I'm not kidding when I say there were thousands of comments. And I couldn't find a single one of somebody saying, this is depressing. every person commenting like I would say 90% of the comments were from women and about 10% from men and all of the comments I saw from women of which I read like dozens were like thank God like enough of men yeah that sounds like a peaceful life yeah that's about right like who needs guys and it was really interesting I was like I don't relate to it if I saw that single that would make me feel sad and and anxious it wouldn't make me go like Well, yeah, personally.
Starting point is 00:04:52 So I was really, I was actually quite surprised by that. And I think we should be specific. The study talked about women age 25 to 44, which one would expect is sort of prime coupling years. Right. It's not the like I, I just came out of a 30 year marriage. I'm 60 and I'm never doing that again. Right. It's like I'm in the years where I would be looking for someone.
Starting point is 00:05:17 It's interesting to hear people. who were in those years saying thank God or yeah you know like celebrating that fact well because that's that in like 195 would be truly gobsmacking right almost feels like a reaction to you know the boomer generation and how early they got married and had children and it's almost like the pendulum has swung so far the other way and it's continuing to swing really far this other way but what you're suggesting seems more to do with just disillusioned than simply like a sort of rebellion against what our parents did. It's almost a cynicism of like, I've been pushed so far.
Starting point is 00:06:00 This is such a mess. I hate what dating is presenting so much that I'm just done. I'm done with this. Well, is it hating dating or is it hating what you think relationships represent? Is it like a hyper autonomy where we've just got so used to being on our own? maybe through we just had a pandemic that no one wants to remember there's been lots of trends leading to people being more in their house video games streaming internet all that stuff is it just like people have just got so used to their autonomy having life the way they want it that relationships
Starting point is 00:06:39 are just not as appealing i definitely associate that more with people getting into their late 30s full teas and so on because we we just get very kind of set in the way we like to live our life and I think the older we get the more that in some ways the worse we are at making space for another person because we just like our life the way it is we don't want to change it all up and we like the way we you know our sleeping arrangement we like our bed sheets our pillows we like the way we're doing things we like our schedule and our but i don't associate that so much with people in their 20s or in that you know portion of their 30s where they're really actively looking and even well into their 30s you know that and i'm not suggesting for one second that's not also true of
Starting point is 00:07:35 many many many people in their 40s but i just think i i certainly notice a trend in people as they get older that they tend to get a lot more um they tend to become a lot less forgiving of like change in their life and making space for somebody but i still don't think that like that still to me isn't what you're getting at when you read those comments because those comments suggest to me people who are mad at what is on offer as opposed to against a relationship that's what i was going to say i think it's a defense mechanism, if you've had so much disappointment, if you feel like it's not going well for you, the dating apps are just soul-destroying for you. You're not getting matches or you're just getting
Starting point is 00:08:24 dicked around, frankly, every time you do go on a date with somebody or talk to somebody. I absolutely can see a world where you would just get to the point where you're like, well, I don't need this. And instead of, it's almost like, how can I shut down the part of myself that does want companionship? And instead go, I'm going to just invest in my life. and almost see that as this hindrance to my life and this negative thing rather than it be this kind of additive, positive thing to your life. I think what's really interesting, though, is trying to understand, you know, when I was thinking about this, I was like, okay, there's, if we're going to have nearly 50% of,
Starting point is 00:09:05 let's say people, not just women, single by 2035, something has gone kind of wrong. or something has changed. And the reason I mentioned our parents' generation, the boomers, is because the way that people selected partners back then seemed far more straightforward, albeit maybe not necessarily the right kind of, they weren't making the right choices because they were very high divorce rates, you know, years later
Starting point is 00:09:30 and things like that. But I do think that the pressure that was put on finding a partner and finding the right partner was not what it is today. And I wonder if a combination of that pressure, what relationships have come to mean to us and how a relationship needs to be a best friend, needs to be a confid on, needs to be the best sex of your life, the this, that, everything, needs to be everything, actually. The combination of that and, you know, all of the things that we've talked about before of, you know, the amount of choice that we seem to be, we seem to have or we perceive to have.
Starting point is 00:10:04 And, you know, what social media has done to our perception of what's beautiful and what's normal, all of those things. I think it's, it's kind of scary to think that it's culminated into this, like, just this, what feels like an impossibility for a lot of people in finding someone and actually settling down and feeling happy with the choice they've made. And the time it takes you even economically to get established, I think a lot of people feel they're not ready, like they have to, to your point, they have to be perfect, they have to be an amazing, perfect partner who's going to be able to attract the perfect partner. Can you speak to that?
Starting point is 00:10:41 Because I think that's quite a male mindset. I'm not saying women don't feel that, but I think that is quite a male mindset. So I'm really curious if you can speak a little more to that. Well, I think getting economically established, everyone knows prices have risen massively. Home ownership has gone down among young people because it's priced out for most people. Getting established in a career has taken a long time for a lot of people. A lot of young people live with their parents. for much longer these days, much, much longer.
Starting point is 00:11:09 So if you put all that together, the feeling that... And I think it goes both ways, but you're right, I think a lot of men feel that there's a huge competitive pressure right now where they feel like they just see so many people bawling out, being successful, being some rich entrepreneur. It's all kind of a bit fake and online. But if your perception is there's such a high barrier, I have to reach to be an eligible man now,
Starting point is 00:11:35 then it feels like well i'm not going to get there for a long time i'm not going to be ready at 25 to marry i'm not going to be able to attract the kind of mate that i want to attract at 26 if i'm barely even established out of my parents home so i think there is this sense of like i'm going to have to do a lot more until i'm ready until i can attract someone who i think you know i would like to be with but this is this is the last part i think is the interesting part because everything up until then I was like oh it sounds like an insecurity of like I'm not enough and you know I need to to prove to myself and to the world that I am enough in order to get attraction but what you're suggesting is almost the same images and lifestyle that you see
Starting point is 00:12:22 online and go I wish I had that and I should I should aspire to be that entrepreneur to be that wealthy person goes hand in hand with so I can attract this kind of person over here who's living online who's also not necessarily real and a lot of the time who also a complete fantasy of a person and so again it's like that's really messed up yeah that's really messed up you've seen that famous like Seinfeld clip of the guy who's with is it Elaine yeah he's with Elaine the dating and then like she's with him I you tell me if I'm wrong Steve but I think she's with him during like his difficult times when he's studying yeah and training uh to qualify as a doctor and then he becomes a doctor and he breaks up with her and she's like what do you what do you
Starting point is 00:13:17 know like this is it like we you're a doctor now we can be together and he basically says you know oh lane like i the you know i always knew that you know at one point i'd qualify to be a doctor and then I would go out and find someone better he goes and he goes that's the dream of being a doctor it's like it's there's something so just dark that's awful and demoralizing about that kind of person but that person does exist I'll always remember meeting a guy who when he was I must, I'm trying to think what age he would have been when I met him. He must have been like 35 or something when I met him. Maybe he was slightly younger because I was younger and I just thought he was older. But I think he was around 35 and I just remember him. He was a kind of slightly
Starting point is 00:14:18 nerdy guy. He was, I don't know, maybe he was in tech or finance. Who knows? And I just remember this comment he made where he basically said outright, I'm not settling down yet because I, you know, in five years my stock will have risen more. And what he was saying is I'm going to be more successful. I'll be further along in my career. I'll be able to attract a better mate when I'm in that place than I can now. And in a way, whether or not someone, is coming from that place or whether they're coming from a place of I'm doing all of this because I'm not enough for a relationship right now. By the way, those two are kind of the same thing, right? They're not different. They just have different. One of them can be, you can view
Starting point is 00:15:18 one side of it much more sympathetically than the other, right, which is just about saying I'm just all the people that would be attracted to me right now I'm disqualifying as not good enough and the person that I will get once I've got all these things that's the person that will be good enough for me but either way what the point what it points to is an enormous number of men who do not feel ready to settle down at precisely the time when so many women are actually looking to find someone who can settle down or who's willing to and Stephen to your point if that if the date at which men are feeling ready because they don't feel enough right now is keeps getting pushed back then that asymmetry between men and women just gets larger and larger right you've got women who are in
Starting point is 00:16:17 their 30s going I really want to find someone who's ready and you've got men who are in their 30s going I'm not going to be in a place financially or in my career for another five or ten years where I'm going to be ready and you also let's be fair you also have a ton of women
Starting point is 00:16:38 who are you know saying well I can now be a self-sufficient person I have a job I can buy my own house I can sustain myself I can take myself on nice holidays days, I'm good. I want to meet a guy who's at my level. Yeah, I want more. And I want more. And so I also
Starting point is 00:17:00 think, to be fair, there is a kind of, there is a, there is an instinct to hate on the guy who's saying my stock hasn't risen. And my instinct, everything in me hates on that. I'm like, for God sakes, that means that you're just completely going after the wrong things. But equally, it's hard because I do think that there are a lot of women out there who do value those things. And so, then you are narrowing your pool and you are, you know, facing more rejection and you are feeling not good enough in certain situations. And so it kind of, it cuts both ways, I think. Well, and there was even a big article in the Atlantic about the rising education gap and how big that's gotten with so many more women getting advanced degrees and so many men dropping out, not getting degrees, not even
Starting point is 00:17:45 going to college and how that's just gotten bigger and bigger. And it was talking about how many women want to date people as educated as they are? And even that, you know what I mean? That creates this whole different imbalance where people feel like, oh, the pool is shrinking for me of people I would want to date. And so I think all these things, but I think plus the isolation, I think there is just less, some of this I wonder is also just a rationalisation for the fact that people just do meet less prospective partners in their daily life than they used to like where did you used to meet all your prospective partners well i just think there were i just think even if i trace my own life from when i was like 1920 there were many more even just then there was it felt like there were
Starting point is 00:18:36 many more social things there were just more people who go for after work drinks there were more people going to clubs. There were more people doing, just, just having to rub against people. That may have just been because I was young and much more sociable at 1920 than I am now. But I do think I've seen, we've seen through our lives a bit of the retreat to the indoors life for a lot of people, or at least a more indoorsy life, where it's just, there's more fun stuff to do at home, going out has gotten expensive, lots of nightclubs are not, there's not as many as they used to be. It's not really as big a cultural thing. I don't think Genzi go out to clubs as much as maybe we did. We've seen all the figures and how much drinking has declined, just full stop,
Starting point is 00:19:19 bars, all those things have declined massively. So I do think there is also just this fundamental thing of people are not rubbing against people enough. I'm curious about this, Harrison. I wish you had a microphone, but do you, you're how old? 28. 28. Like, do you agree with this? Or do you, do you, see like is the happy hour culture still thriving and people are going out after work in their 20s and doing those things i don't think they are you don't think they are i mean maybe like really hot people harrison you're really hot people are doing that i well you're plenty hot harrison i i think that's it very interesting because i certainly remember a kind of
Starting point is 00:20:08 I remember living in like China and the after work culture was so huge. It was like every night. There was like people going out for drinks. And I guess drinking was a huge part of it. And it was definitely a huge part of like going out after work. It was always, it was never like, let's go out after work for a smoothie. Like it may be for dinner. maybe but it was more about like going out you've been living in l a too long no my that's my point
Starting point is 00:20:43 it's like that's a completely a that's not a reference that anyone with no one would ever do that you know so it for me my 20s was definitely there was a kind of like go out after work culture and you're saying that's disappeared harrison is backing it up at least declined i i think it's easier in a city like New York where there's like especially if you work in an office there are a thing like there's a kind of built in culture to a built in community to that where people can go out together and do especially when they're younger and maybe a lot of people in their 30s get to a point where they're like yeah I don't really drink now you know but like in their 20s that's a you know most people I would argue do but again you're saying
Starting point is 00:21:32 Gen Z, they don't drink as much. It's like lower than ever drinking, like, most rebellious stuff, you'd call rebellious stuff, has gone down, some for the better, drinking, smoking, but it probably affects, or is a result of social life declining as well. Yeah. I find this all very depressing. Yeah, but we have to be real where people are. I think people do, and I don't think it has to be depressing in that, I don't think for
Starting point is 00:21:59 the, on an individual level, I think there's actually. quite a lot of antidotes to being isolated. And it doesn't actually take that much, I think, to massively reestablish connection with people to build a community. I don't think it's actually that difficult on an individual level to do. Well, let's talk about that. Before we do, I do want to throw in one more thing to add to the picture, because I do think this is a massive thing we haven't mentioned.
Starting point is 00:22:27 And it's not new. I'm, you know, the one millionth person to state this. but the way that we approach our devices now and the way that we're addicted to novelty, the way our dopamine center is just taught to, like we have become pure dopamine addicts, that has, I think, led to a real problem in relationships. Because relationships are, by definition, slow burn, right?
Starting point is 00:23:00 An encounter is not a relationship. A hookup isn't a relationship. Like these things live still in the world of novelty and dopamine. Meeting someone on a dating app and exchanging messages isn't a relationship. Relationships take time and they require us to actually invest in them. It's why I'm a huge believer in the idea that we make a decision to love someone. I really believe that. we make a decision to love someone and a lot of people are not making that decision because it
Starting point is 00:23:38 feels harder than the fast twitch energy and reward of you know scouring the internet looking at porn meeting people for hookups switching gears like you know the moment you're a bit bored of someone you switch to somebody else like that's I'm not saying it makes us happier I don't I think it's the opposite but that's what we've become addicted to can I just jump piggyback on that because I think you're so right I love what you said about the you know love is a decision and relationships are a decision I think people don't they're afraid of making the wrong decision as well so I think it's everything you said and the fact that the stakes feel so unbelievably high when it comes to choosing a partner and as a result people are waiting for a feeling
Starting point is 00:24:36 to manifest to tell them that this is the right decision that's why when you know you know is such a popular phrase um it's a very dangerous phrase i was going to say i don't like that phrase it is a dangerous phrase absolutely but the reason people use it you know ad nauseum is because it's a definition of waiting for a feeling to happen to you and for that feeling to be the reason that you decide you are ready to commit to this particular person. Instead of realizing that you will meet a bunch of imperfect people and they won't necessarily be exactly what you wanted them to be when you were out there single looking for someone,
Starting point is 00:25:16 but the decision that you make in investing in that relationship, choosing them every day, waking up and seeing them with fresh eyes, all the rest of it, that's the thing that's going to create a beautiful relationship. I think people don't even know how to get there because they're so afraid of making that wrong decision. The stakes feel impossibly high. And the stakes feel impossibly high in part because of what we said earlier, that we've come to view what we are entitled to romantically as this impossibly grand thing. You know, like it's everything we've ever seen in the movies, you know, it is all of the things you suggested. it when when we create stakes that are that high for something what we're expecting is a feeling
Starting point is 00:26:03 up front as opposed to something that we build with someone like a sort of an ember that we nurture into a flame over time like we're we're expecting like the flames from the beginning and i i think it's a it's a really dangerous way to approach relationships i always tell you tell people to look at their friendships. Like, how many of your best friendships, your best friendships, are with the people who were the most shiny and exciting on day one? Like, the people that you would, like, go to war for and who would go to war for you, the people who you could call right now if your life was burning down.
Starting point is 00:26:51 Like, how many of them are the people that were the most dazzling people the day you met them. You know what? They were necessarily, I was thinking, as you were saying, I was thinking of my friendships. Not necessarily the most dazzling people, but I do think what they required was something like super organic from the beginning of like, oh, I really just get on well with this person. I gel with this person as something. They're my best friends. It was a bit of a love at first sight in friendship situation with all of them. So I do think... I love at first sight. As in friendship at first sight. You know what I mean by that? that it was a little bit like i met them and was like maybe something at first time we just got on
Starting point is 00:27:33 very well i felt comfortable it built it was very organic yeah but that's not the same as like most impressed at first sight no no no totally it's not the same as most charmed at first sight and that's the distinction i think is important to make because i don't want people to listen to this and say oh well you know i don't need chemistry i don't need someone that i feel you know really like you know excited about and that makes me feel good and I feel like we just click. You know, I don't need that. I need to make sure that I go for the slow burns. I don't necessarily agree with that.
Starting point is 00:28:06 So I just wanted to make that distinction because I think it's not about going, this is the most incredible chemistry I've ever felt in my entire life. I just, oh my God, I cannot stop thinking about them. And they're so amazing and look at how impressive and shiny they are. But you do have to go from the moment I met you, like when you and I met from the moment we met it was so easy just speaking was easy conversation we spoke for hours and hours and hours I don't believe that that isn't
Starting point is 00:28:38 responsible for the fact that we're married and in an amazing relationship now I think that is absolutely you can draw a through line from the moment we met to today I agree but it's so easy to ignore that feeling because you go on you know the next week you meet someone who has something else and is like a bit better in this way or a bit more successful or a bit better looking or a bit more something and it's like or you know we don't trust like we we feel that really comfortable feeling with someone and you know it doesn't live up to something in our mind that we think we're supposed to have or a kind of person that we're supposed to be with. We've got this like image of like who we're supposed to end up with and what
Starting point is 00:29:29 qualities they're supposed to have and, you know, where they're from and what they do and how much they make and what, you know, the way their life looks. And when we feel that ease that you're talking about in an unfamiliar form, it scares us. Or in some cases, it's not even on our radar. it's like you you had the most comfortable easy exchange with someone you've had in months and you don't even actually consciously connect to the fact that that was the case but they're five foot eight that's kind of sure what you're saying yeah but anything but list a hundred reasons why yeah i'm not going after people who are five for eight i'm more making fun of the fact that you know we reject people all the time based on
Starting point is 00:30:20 stupid shit things exactly do we think though it feels like we got two categories of people here because we've got and i agree with both we've got the people who are being choosy or or who are maybe looking for something unicorn syndrome you know whatever it might be but there's also the people for whom they probably don't even relate to this right the institute for family studies said that the amount the percentage of adults who have sex weekly has dropped from 55% in 1990 to 37% today so many people are not even having there's not like everyone's having a sex buffet of regular partners and going oh i just don't know who to pick some people are just not even you know the concept of regularly meeting and having different partners is alien to them well
Starting point is 00:31:10 that's not even happening yeah and some of that i i really believe is people who have you know just gotten so addicted to the various forms of stimulation and comfort that are available to all of us that are highly addictive and that it's far easier to grab for the remote and watch Netflix or to grab your keyboard and play video games or watch porn or get on an online community where there's anonymity or you know where you can safely interact with people from a distance or talk to AI now and have a relationship with AI in some form or another it's far those things are such there's such a higher degree of safety and comfort it's far lower activation energy than having to leave your apartment go out into the world make friends invest in friendships talk to people
Starting point is 00:32:07 risk rejection um but by the way I don't think that the the kind of entitlement or the we have in our head of the kind of person we'd like to be with doesn't factor into that kind of person, you know, only factors into the person who's out there playing the field and hooking up. It can just as much apply to the person who's in their home, never meeting anybody because what they're presented with is perfect images online all the time. Oh yeah. But, you know, perfect, you know, like people, characters in video games who have proportions that could not exist in an actual human body um you know online interaction or or you know sex that isn't readily available to them from the person that they meet from a dating app today like there's still an
Starting point is 00:32:57 idealization that happens that's true that makes it like impossible for a real person to walk through the door and grab their attention yeah and and you those people can become even more abstracted away from what normal people are like. You know what I mean? And so you start to become more and more judgmental. And again, which is why I think, like, I'm using the term rubbing against other people, but I mean, like,
Starting point is 00:33:24 bouncing against people in your everyday life is so important, I think, for normalising your expectations, for giving you a range in a sense of what's out there, for even just seeing your friends' relationships and seeing people date all different kinds of people. They're not all like these perfect, 10 out of 10 shiny relationships, everyone has their flaws.
Starting point is 00:33:46 I do think it's just extremely healthy to have some regular community contact. You know, people like Scott Galloway have talked about this a lot. But if I was that age and isolated, that would be one of my first priorities right now. Let's see if we can narrow this down to like three tools or three specifics for people who want to expand their social circle, their community, maybe they feel like their life has become a little stagnant they never meet new people opportunities aren't arising because their life is too stuck and stifled what are some some easy ways of doing this because for a lot of us especially the introverts among us
Starting point is 00:34:30 and not just introverts but people with busy lives a lot of responsibility like you're tired you're tired a lot you finish the day you're exhausted now it's the evening you barely have the energy to like make dinner let alone go out and meet people and socialize and be involved in activities it's like you've been working all day and then the weekend rolls around and you kind of just want to chill or see a friendly face you know already that you feel comfortable with and so it's easy to see how we get stuck in these ways because we're already burning out without adding more to our plate in the form of expanding our social world. So with that in mind, what can we give people
Starting point is 00:35:18 today that can help them practically without burning out? Look, there's no world where you get to stay inside all day and build a social life that isn't going to happen. There has to be some give in like what if something is in your calendar, it becomes real. And for me, as a natural introvert who like spend time at home, I have to at least make sure, like, what's my thing I'm going to do this weekend? My one thing that's going to build some connection. That might be with an established person I already need to connect to. I've got plenty of people I know here in LA who I don't see enough. And maybe that community phrase, if you don't build it enough. So is there some community needs to be nurtured right now that I'm ignoring? Or is there one of my interests that there's a more
Starting point is 00:36:08 sociable version of. I, last year, you know, I did a stand-up comedy course. That sounds high commitment, but it was actually like one class a week for six weeks. So not that much. One class a week for six weeks, one evening, Tuesday evening. I don't, that's like what, a couple of hours of my time to go. I feel myself tensing up as you say it. Okay, but that was something I wanted to do.
Starting point is 00:36:31 So for me, that didn't tense me up because it was something that was like, I want to go. Yeah, I looked forward to it. Because it was like, this isn't my job, it's fun. It's a bit nerve-wracking, but it's not pressure for me because I'm not a stand-up comedian. So I'd go. Then there's like, instead of me trying to go randomly and do five minutes of stand-up in a club, I'm meeting with like 10 people every week. We're talking about comedy.
Starting point is 00:36:56 We're trying some jokes with each other. And then you go home, right? It's like one thing a week. Now, I know not everyone wants to do, yeah, you hear those classes, you hear that sort of thing. and you go, oh, God, I've got to do that. But whatever, like, your thing is, like, if it's lifting weights, go and do, there's a gym class near us where there's, like, 10 people go and lift weights every Saturday, right? Like, whatever your thing already is.
Starting point is 00:37:19 You said that with such disdain. No, I like doing it. That's the one we go to. I've enjoyed doing it. That's our thing. I'm saying it because it's very simple, but I'm saying there's always. If you're one of those weirdos that likes to lift weights, not and I are looking at each other. I do like lifting weights.
Starting point is 00:37:34 No, I just think there's a version. version of what you like doing already that has a group who are doing it. That's like one thing you can do. There's also people you probably already interact with who you can either make an effort to make a connection with, reach out and be like, hey, do you want to grab lunch? Be fun to like catch up a bit more. There's probably people in your life now who you're not attempting, maybe because you feel like do they want to. The answer is a lot of people do want to be invited more than you think. So let's talk about this. I want to throw to Audrey here because you, you're really, really good at nurturing, like, peripheral relationships into something that actually turns into a far closer relationship. And in some cases, like, a really close relationship. What do you see as, like, the number one thing that if people took away from this would help them as either a thing to practice or just like one key.
Starting point is 00:38:34 move that if you've got people in your life that you're not close to but you'd like to be closer to you should start doing well thank you first of all i don't know if i'm that good at it i think for me like two things i think um if we really really want to meet somebody we have to recognize that that's not something that can necessarily happen on the timeline that we would like because there's a lot of different things at play but something that can happen on your timeline is building a really robust and supportive friendship circle. And I think that when we have that, when we have that sense of community,
Starting point is 00:39:12 when we have that sense of belonging, and when we can always pick up the phone if we're feeling lonely, if we can't the phone if something goes wrong, if we can joke about our bad dates with somebody, it just makes that whole process so much more enjoyable. And so that's the first thing I'll say. And I think that the most important thing is that we connect to the value and the desire of wanting to make friends
Starting point is 00:39:36 as much as we connect to the value and desire of finding a person because then what will happen is that you naturally will create enough space in your life to prioritize it. It's really funny when you say, God, one class a week that sounds like a lot. And in terms of our lives, it does sound like a lot because the way that we have orchestrated our lives in the last couple of years
Starting point is 00:39:59 has not left room for us to prioritize something like that. but really if you're going i'm going to make this a priority like you the your energy has to be freed up and you have to be able to create enough space and allocate enough energy in a direction that you think is going to bring you the biggest reward in your life and so if you recognize that actually making adult friendships is one of those things you have to make room for that and for people who are like okay done i'm going to make it a priority yeah but like i'm lacking like I just feel scared to like reach out to people and you know what if they don't want to hang out with me what if you know they kind of just give me a cold response what if I just seem
Starting point is 00:40:45 like the desperate person the desperate adult who doesn't have friends or is asking another adult to do something like what what's like one last thing to just put a bow on this what's like one practical thing that you would say people should start doing either as a a text message or a phone call or a way of re-engaging people? Well, I personally think that meeting people in real life is the best way forward when it comes to friendships. I think you, you know, you do sign up to something like an exercise class or a comedy, stand-up comedy class, something where you're going to have regular touch points with
Starting point is 00:41:23 the same group of people and then you make an effort to talk to them. And you don't say to them, you know, within 30 seconds of having introduced yourself, do you want to go for a coffee and be my friend like of course that would make you seem really intense and that's a really scary thing to do but if you get to know someone's name you know their job you ask some questions about their lives you get on well with that person i i sort of think at a certain point you can just say like oh i'm grabbing a coffee after class do you want to join if you fancy joining or you you know organize an event like a barbecue at your house or you know if you don't have a garden you can just organize like a gathering at your house with some friends
Starting point is 00:42:01 then you invite them to that. And even if they can't come, you then have an excuse to take their number down. Then you can text them and be like, you know, give me a number. I'll invite you if you can make it. No worries, if not. And if they say they can't make it, then you can text them and say, oh, you know, what are you doing on Saturday? I was going to go for a hike. I was going to go for a coffee, whatever.
Starting point is 00:42:21 If you're free, it'd be cool to hang out. Like, you can then kind of do that. And I think the thing that we forget is that so many people in this life are lonely. We're all lonely. Like I will never reject a friendship who comes to me. If someone who I think is a really nice, down to earth, lovely person, I'm actually thinking of someone in our gym. I'm not going to say her name, but there's a, there's a woman in our gym who is so lovely. And every time I talk to her, she, like, we have a great relationship. We have a great conversation. Now, if she was like, you know, made the effort to get my number and wanted to go for a drink or
Starting point is 00:42:57 wanted to go for a coffee, I'd absolutely go for a coffee with her. Like, what, who the hell am I to turn down a friendship? And I think so many people feel that way. There's obviously going to be people who are going to be too busy and too cool and that's fine, but they're not your people. It's the same as dating. Like they're not your people and you can't, I think you just have to really hone in on the fact that so many people are lonely, so many people are seeking connection and your job is to find the people who are looking for the same thing as you, both in love and in friendship. My friend in L.A. does a book club regularly and we all go to it and have dinner like it's one of my big interests so they invited me because they know I'm into reading and after
Starting point is 00:43:36 it kill you crushed it I bet you absolutely crushed it I was in my arena yeah you know it was it was a club I were in your lane it was a club I've been waiting to invite to my whole life and um and uh we'd discuss it would have dinner it'd be great but then after like I just made a habit of just going around to people and just being like oh what what's the best way to keep in touch what's the best way to connect oh shit like you have insgram some people would just follow each other on Instagram. Some people would be like, oh, I'm on WhatsApp. Here's my number. And even if we didn't know what the follow-up was, it would just be like, let's get the details and like, so we lock it in. We don't need a reason to. But everyone in that group is always like, it's a different bunch
Starting point is 00:44:16 every time, but everyone is always like, I'm so glad our friend Till put this together because we're so happy to have a reason to get together and do this and get to talk and hang out. Like people are just starving. Yeah, people want connection. What's the guy got to do to get an invite to this book club? I think you've had an invite once or twice, but politely declined because of your busyness. Well, there we go. Okay, well, no one remembers that. If you guys feel like you have questions around this subject, if you feel like there's something that we didn't cover, if you have tips and advice of your own on how to make friends and how to build community, And, you know, as you put it, Stephen, bump into more people.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Email us, podcast at Matthew Hussie.com. We absolutely love receiving your emails. So please send them in. We've been getting some emails from people who are coming to join us in October for the retreat. So I am excited to know that we're going to be actually getting the chance to connect with some love life listeners in the flesh in Miami of all places. We are indeed. And we also have to share a little. Cortado?
Starting point is 00:45:30 Maybe. We're a little cortitita. In London, we went to the pub afterwards. But maybe that's the London vibe, I don't know. I think the Miami vibe is plantains. And a Cuban sandwich. That sounds so delicious.
Starting point is 00:45:44 We also had people emailing in saying that they couldn't make it because they can't travel to the US and, you know, life doesn't permit them. Just so you guys know, you can get a virtual ticket. People don't know that. People don't know that because you always talk about in person.
Starting point is 00:45:58 That's true. This is the first retreat we've ever done where you can actually watch it from wherever you are in the world, even though it's taking place on a live stage for the weekend. So very exciting stuff. By the way, tickets are available at mhretreat.com if you have not got yours yet. Okay, we have an email in from one of our Love Life listeners. This person has chosen to remain anonymous. We're going to do something a little different today and ask this question to Matthew,
Starting point is 00:46:29 A.I. To see what Matthew A.I. has to say. Can you explain what Matthew A.I. is for anyone that's joining and is like, what the hell are you talking about? Matthew A.I. is my digital mind that you can basically ask questions of any time you want. So I am going to see what Matthew's, Matthew A.I's answer is to this question. I'm going to, you can text or call Matthew A.I. We're going to try and give it a call. Hey, it's Matthew A.I. How can I help? Hi, Matthew A.I. I have a question from one of our lovely love life listeners who says, how do you handle running into an ex you're completely over, but realizing that they are settled,
Starting point is 00:47:11 married with kids, and it leaves you feeling behind in life, vulnerable, and somehow on the losing side? First, let me say this. It's completely human to feel a pang of vulnerability in that moment. Even if you're over your ex, seeing them settled with the life you might have, imagined for yourself can stir up feelings of comparison or self-doubt. But here's the truth. Their life path has no bearing on your worth or the timeline of your own journey. When we feel behind, it's often because we're measuring ourselves against someone else's highlight real.
Starting point is 00:47:47 But life isn't a race. And the milestones that truly matter are the ones that align with your values and dreams, not society's expectations or someone else's story. Just because they've checked certain boxes doesn't mean they're happier or more fulfilled than you. And it certainly doesn't mean you're on the losing side. You're not in competition with them. You're on your own unique path. Instead of focusing on what they have, ask yourself, what do I want my life to look like?
Starting point is 00:48:16 What steps can I take to create a life that feels meaningful and joyful to me? When you shift your energy toward building your own vision, those feelings of being behind start to fade. replaced by a sense of purpose and excitement for what's ahead. How does that perspective sit with you? Really bloody well, actually. That's really good stuff. That's great advice. To me, what is so important about that is only we really know what is right for us.
Starting point is 00:48:51 And what's right for us might be something that's, you know, your partner could have, your ex could have gone on to meet someone quickly because they met someone who was right for what they're looking for. Maybe if you wanted what they were looking for, you would have found something quicker too. But maybe what you're looking for is more unique to you. So it doesn't get to be as fast. And again, what Matthew A.I. I said is so true. You have no idea how happy they are. So like, you might as well just get that out of your mind because you're not in their head. You have no idea what's actually going on in their mind or in their new relationship. But regardless, even if they're the happiest person on earth right now, it's what's going to make you happy
Starting point is 00:49:40 is unique to you. It's not the same thing. And it's easy, like you can apply this not just in a love life context, but in a career context. You could be comparing your career to somebody else is thinking, oh, they're further ahead or they've done this or they're getting these opportunities. But you don't know how happy they are. You don't understand, you don't know their life. And you don't even really know if that would be right for you. Like, you have to design a life that is right for you. Yeah. And that has its own timing. It's not a timing that you can compare with other people's. It is a timing that is unique to you. So it's really, like you are comparing apples to oranges.
Starting point is 00:50:27 Don't make it feel like you're comparing like for like. Like, are we in the same place by now? You're different people with different values, with different ideas of what you want. By the way, if that wasn't true, you'd still be together. You know what I mean? You're clearly people with different values, with different ideas about what you want. So it's going to be different. It would be bizarre if it all.
Starting point is 00:50:52 happened for you in the same way on the same timeline. And if by the way, your life happens on the exact same timeline as someone else is that you, you know, you're worried you could get behind, that's a sign that you're just tracking, you're, you're literally just hitching your decisions to theirs. Like, you're just trying to stay in step with them. And trying to stay in step with somebody else is the most is the easiest way to get out of sync with your own values because you suddenly start dating someone so that you don't feel behind or you suddenly start a business because your friend started a business and you feel like you're supposed to do that as well because they did and you don't want to like that that leads to bad decisions this is a time where you have to stop
Starting point is 00:51:40 focusing on other people and just get in tune with yourself and what you actually want I love that so much i want to just add to that as well that you know when we're comparing ourselves to other people it's usually a sign that we're not happy in our lives and so instead of focusing on how to make the comparison better focus on how to make yourself happier in your life and i think it's that's where the actual true peace will come from and i speak about this from experience i'm you know this is this is no shade but i think it's it really is when we look at other people and we say oh my God, look at them, they're far ahead in this way, they're doing this and I'm not doing it, they're more this than me, they're more that than me.
Starting point is 00:52:23 It's really nothing to do with that person and everything to do with how we're feeling about ourselves. And we have so much control over changing our lives and the way that we feel internally and the way that we approach everything. And so just kind of take the control back and see it as that was a very interesting trigger that happened that actually is going to lead me and propel me into making myself happier. And when I'm happier, I won't care that this person has these things that I don't yet have. Love it. Guys, if you are loving our conversation, but you wish that we would address your specific situation on the podcast right now,
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Starting point is 00:53:57 decades. It is wildly affordable. It is discreet and it is insanely helpful. It gives you a level of tailored contextual advice that previously was only ever available to people I worked with one-on-one. It is honestly remarkable. I am so proud of this product and it has helped over 100,000 different users at this point. So I feel confident it will do the same for you. Go over to askmh.com and try it for free or access it for unlimited amounts of coaching for just $7 right now. We had some comments on previous episodes. This one on episode 310, why being disliked is the key to finding real love. Blue Sky says, yes, I am a future psychologist, and I would love an episode about Adler.
Starting point is 00:54:50 This episode touched me personally, so thank you. I will listen on repeat. Thank you so much, Blue Sky. Apricot 1990 said, Matthew, you and the team are like my older siblings. You taught me so much. I love all of your episodes. Please do an episode on what communicating your vision for a relationship in early dating looks like. That is an interesting. idea for an episode. We will bear that in mind. On episode 309, which was titled Stop Overthinking How to Beat Anxiety in Dating, Florinda Orcini 226 said, Dear Matthew, Mrs, and Production Team, I have been following you for many years. I want to take this space to really thank you for the enormous educative service that you have produced so far. I can only imagine how much
Starting point is 00:55:41 work it involves to get all of these insights out in such a clear, relatable and deep cut way. Well done to you and your team and again, my full appreciation. Oh, that means so much. I was going to say, it is really hard for you to do that. And so it's really nice for someone to recognize that. For all of us, for you to, for you guys too. But you do it more than we do because you also do YouTube and other things. Well, I don't know. I'm Stephen's doing it all the time in the membership, of course. Yeah, with your courses. Yeah. Sorry, Stephen. I'm the one who's not pulling my wake.
Starting point is 00:56:14 Well, speaking of Stephen, it is... Steve. No, wait, what? I like to steal it from you. Speaking of Stephen, it is that time again, Steve's sleeves. Slaves. What are you guys, this is not your... Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, one more time.
Starting point is 00:56:41 No, I'm not doing it again. One more time and then we'll do the theme song, come on. It's not even the, what? One more time and then we'll put the theme song. No, just cue the theme song. This is the theme song for Steve's sleeves. Don't be bereaved. You know that we can live without another episode of Steve's sleeves.
Starting point is 00:57:08 Welcome to Steve's sleeves. We've got a great show for you tonight. We're going to play, look, we've talked a lot about loneliness. I don't think loneliness is all, let's put it another way. Being alone is not always bad. So I want to play a game called Lonely or just alone. Okay. Having a little me party.
Starting point is 00:57:26 So I'm going to give you some scenarios quickly and you're going to tell me, is this lonely or just alone and loving it? So wait, what's the, wait. Is this loneliness? You changed it. Is this loneliness or healthy solitude? You've changed it a third time. now. No, I haven't. No, he hasn't. Yeah, you said lonely or just alone. The second one was lonely or loving it and the third one was lonely. What is in the sentiment? The sentiment of, are you feeling lonely or
Starting point is 00:57:52 you just by yourself? Stephen's sleeves. It's Steve's sleeves. Always has a certain like catchphrase element. So what's the thing? It's like normally, if this was a normal Steve's sleeves it would be like lonely or shimon having a shimonly time okay solo or yolo i don't know yeah solo or yolo happy no steve sleeves would never say something so cliche oh god what about lonely or what rhymes with lonely but suggests you're like having a good time i'm doing the feature okay okay good lord he's editing in real time I know. Overcomplicating things yet again. Okay. Lonely or healthy solitude? Solo or Yolo? Going to the movies on your own on a Saturday.
Starting point is 00:58:46 Yolo. I'll tell you the answer. That is Yolo. Because it is one of the deep pleasures in life is going to the movies on your own. I believe in taking yourself on a date. I do. And I think that's a really nice date. And some people go, what? You went to the movies alone? And I'm like, yeah. It's a wonderful experience. Well, and that too. having a friendship group whose values you don't relate to lonely
Starting point is 00:59:09 yeah extra lonely that is lonely you can be lonely in a crowd that's why you got to pick the right crowd eating lunch at your desk while everyone else goes out to lunch together yellow he's not sure he likes eating lunch alone at his desk watching Mr Morrow on YouTube yeah he's all about he's happy when he does that
Starting point is 00:59:32 I'm going to say yellow. Oh, okay. It's interesting. Because working days are hard, so you need to give yourself self-care at lunchtime. And if self-care at lunchtime for you means getting a little bit of, like, quiet time. I think it's just because your job involves a lot of speaking. That's why you feel that way. I don't think you should do it every day.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Just as much as you, Stephen, no, not more than you. I will go to lunch with the crew. If you have, I don't think you should do it every day. Like if you, especially if you work in a sort of corporate or a community, like, an environment where there's people around you. I don't think you should eat lunch on your own every day. But I do think you shouldn't be afraid to take space when you need it. Okay. So do, YOLO? Okay. YOLO. No, no. Yolo. On a group hangout, but you're scrolling Instagram watching reels.
Starting point is 01:00:23 That's just rude. Lonely. That's lonely. Self-imposed lonely. Yeah. Okay. Suggestive that you're not actually enjoying the company of the people you're with. Okay. Going to a dream travel destination by yourself. Oh, Shimonely. What? So you think it's lonely?
Starting point is 01:00:46 No, that's the good one, remember? Yolo. Fine, Yolo. Yolo. So you're pro-traveling alone using us. I just don't wonder we're using Yolo. You're pro-traveling alone. I think that's a really brave and courageous thing to do.
Starting point is 01:01:01 and I'm all for it. You have expressed in the part. I think you've only recently done that for the first time ever. No, that was years ago now. Oh, sorry. You found it a bit of a struggle, though, but I've done it several times. The first time, I really found it a struggle,
Starting point is 01:01:16 and I realized halfway through, I was having an amazing time. He was very dramatic about it first, though. I remember. All right. Yolo. That is not the level of empathy that you would give if someone called in with that story.
Starting point is 01:01:30 Wait, you said the first time. The first time, but you've only done it once. Yes. No, but that's just a timing thing, you know? Like you came along soon after that. Then what was I going to do? Say, Audrey, sorry, I'm going off on a vacation on my own. I would support you if you wanted to do it.
Starting point is 01:01:52 We'll see about that. We'll see how that's going to go down when I tell you that I'm going off to Shimonli Island. I actually really wouldn't mind if you went on vacation. You wouldn't mind? No, of course not. If it was making me happy, I wouldn't mind. If it was for a weekend. Yeah, if you went for like...
Starting point is 01:02:10 If I said I'm going for a whole week, you'd be a bit jealous. Yeah. You'd be like, why can't I come? Yeah, that's true. I would be like, why can't I come if it was a week? You'd get a bit like... But you'd miss me, so. True.
Starting point is 01:02:23 I'll stick to my weekend getaways alone. All right, final one. Headphones in at coffee shop, gym. Just keep the headphones in the whole time. If you've got plenty of, like, friends and you're happy with your social life, then I'm going to say Yolo or shimonly. But if you are craving social connection and you're doing it lonely. All right.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Well, that's the end of Steve's sleeves, everyone. Hope you had a great night. Thanks for coming out. And we're out. I would give that Steve's sleeves a. A plus? Thank you so much. Solid seven and a half.
Starting point is 01:03:10 There's no review afterwards. Instant review. We've had lovely comments from people about Steve's sleeves. So thank you everyone. See, this is what you don't get. I fight for the Steve's sleeves fans. Like I'm on their side. What I'm saying is I know the Steve's sleeves.
Starting point is 01:03:31 fans and they would have wanted a real like steve's sleeves classic that was a real do you want me to review your sections of the podcast nope thank you so much everybody for listening to another episode of love life we will sleeve you soon oh wow thanks everyone i did that on the spot that was not planned really do make sure before you leave this episode to go and sign up for the love life reset which is coming up very fast it is my last free training of the year i don't want you to get to next year and think oh god i could have had all this momentum in my love life i could have had all of this control over my emotions and felt like my best self right now if i'd have only been to the love life reset back in
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