Love Lives - #9 F***boys and sober dating with Lucy Moon

Episode Date: November 17, 2017

This week on Millennial Love we're joined by vlogger, blogger and podcaster Lucy Moon to discuss a very millennial problem: f***boys. What are they, where have they come from and how do you spot one? Equally linked to modern dating is drinking - Lucy tells us about her experience sober dating and we wonder whether lunchbreak dates are the way forward.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/millenniallove. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I'll meet you there. Hello and welcome to Millennial Love, the Independent Lifestyle Desk's weekly podcast on sex, dating and relationships. Hosted by me, Olivia Petter, lifestyle writer. And me, Rachel Hosey, acting assistant lifestyle editor. Each week, we'll be discussing the core dating issues affecting millennials today. There are endless podcasts out there on love and relationships, but we felt that no one was really speaking directly to our generation,

where people ghost, zombie and breadcrumb one another quicker than you can say Tinder. As two long-time singletons, we're breaking down the boundaries of modern day dating, one aubergine emoji at a time. So what does all of this mean and how is it affecting the way we form relationships today? Well, today we have a very special guest in, superstar vlogger, blogger and podcaster Lucy Moon. Now she co-hosts the brilliant podcast Banging Book Club with our previous guest Hannah Witton and Lena Norms. So welcome Lucy, we are so thrilled to have you. Hello, thank you so much for having me. And the first topic we're going to chat about today is a topic that has given us an E for explicit on this podcast so sorry if you're listening mum but I know you probably aren't um the first topic we're talking about today is fuck boys now fuck boys is something

we talk about a lot these days um but what are fuck boys I will tell you the urban dictionary definition it's actually very long I know I know I did research but well I'm gonna give you a shortened version actually because it's very long here it goes asshole boy who is into strictly sexual relationships he will lead a girl on and let her down then apologize only to ask for pics once the girl has welcomed him back into her trust boys like this will pretend to genuinely care about the girl but always fail to prove the supposed affection he almost never makes plans because he has to hang out in his terms which could be the most whimsical of times and if the girl rejects those plans because she has a legitimate reason for not being able to hang out, he will get pissed. However, if plans are made, he will bail on them

without a second thought. And that actually goes on. I feel like that entry in Urban Dictionary was possibly written by someone who'd just been scorned. And as we know, hell have no fury. just been scorned and as we know hell hell have no fury lucy what would you describe as a fuck boy that's a really good question i'm not quite sure it just feels like more of um like something you feel other people emit um and also i don't i don't actually think it's that gendered i think that the name is gendered but like you can have a fuck girl as well I fuck anyone mm-hmm fuck girl though doesn't that just sound awful yeah that's just not a turn though is it thank God I feel like guys aren't complaining if a girl messes them around being like she's such a fuck girl no but I reckon women can be messed around by other women but in terms of dating I

mean yeah yeah like yeah I don't know I made a video about um fuck boys and the concept of maybe half a year ago to a year ago now um I think because I was dating one or I've been dating one um and I was just sick of it like I just kept getting lied to consistently and I was just sick of it. Like I just kept getting lied to consistently and I wasn't remotely interested in it turning into a relationship but it was just that I'd find out through his friends little lies he told that weren't true over and over and over

to the point where I was like I don't want to sleep with you at all. And then he did a full routine of like guilt tripping, emotional manipulation, emotional blackmail, like it was absolute, emotional manipulation, emotional blackmail. Like it was absolute madness. Yeah, that's what I think. I think the main thing about what makes a fuckboy is they mess you around.

They literally fuck with you. Yeah, completely. And I think often, or from my own experience of fuckboys, I'd say often they're the ones that actually seem really nice at the start. A secret fuckboy, if you will. I think the point is it's also, it's not a physical thing, as the name suggests. Although sometimes, perhaps they will fuck you and then they will fuckboy you and fuck with you. But I think it's more of like the head fuck thing that defines a fuckboy. Oh, completely, yeah. It's totally a mental thing of like, it always goes back to another dating buzzword that we've written about, breadcrumbing, where you like sort of, you ghost someone.

So you stop replying to them. You kind of show that you're not interested, but then you leave little breadcrumbs of hope, sort of indicating that you are still interested, whether it's like a happy birthday text or a like on an instagram yeah that's so common and it's never heard that before it's sort of just like like giving them a sense of superiority like putting them putting you back in their head and just when you were getting over them and you were like yeah i'm over this guy i'm over i'm like there's been plenty more fish in the sea and then then they like ping you an instagram like or they watch your Insta story, and you're just like, ooh, you again. Yeah, and it's like, oh my God,

he's so interested in what I'm doing. He must love me. He's favoriting everything. I know, I know. And I guess girls do this too, though, right? Oh yeah, absolutely. Girls absolutely do it too. But I think, as we said,

the term fuck girl is just not really a thing. The thing is, I don't think a fuck boy is a new thing like i'm sure since the dawn of time people have messed each other around there are men who have been dickheads and douchebags and these are all similar words but fuck boy has now become an such a i don't know a part of young person's culture i actually also looked up i was trying to find when did the term fuck boy first come into existence and apparently the possible earliest use of fuck boy in the mainstream was in a 2002 song called boy boy by a rapper called cam ron that is cam apostrophe ron I'm not really okay with my rap music so I may be pronouncing that wrong but in his song he uses fuck boy to mean

a guy who is a weak loser who sucks who isn't conventionally masculine or who quote ain't shit which I think by that he means is shit ain't shit yeah like you ain't shit right I think I presume that is the meaning I think that's a really in-depth analysis yes i think so i think cameron was onto something there but um so cameron definition aside how do you think you can actually identify a modern day fuck boy as our understanding of it goes this was the exact video i made and i can't remember a single point from it now um i feel i think if they use the cry laugh emoji that's a really big sign because personally for me I think the cry laugh emoji

is synonymous with fuck boy behaviour fuck boyery perhaps yeah potentially that's interesting you say that because I have actually learnt in recent times that that is the most commonly used emoji like I know doesn't it make you sad how many do we have to pick from

this is the second time that Rachel has brought up that little nugget of knowledge on this podcast it's relevant in so many times did you know surely what's the second one like the red love heart or something oh no it's another I think it's the smiley or something it's like there are nearly all the actual faces um but yeah so why do you think that's the same but a similar fuck boyery because I sometimes I'm just laughing a lot. I don't know. I think there's two particular people I have in mind that all of our conversations, the kind of sliding into your DMs conversation involves a lot of ha-has and lols and cry laugh emojis.

I definitely do that. Oh dear. I feel like a fuckboy is the one that would slide into your DMs, which by the way is a term that I only discovered this summer because all my friends are using. I was like, what the hell is sliding into your DMs? It sounds so sinister. Yeah, but we know you never know youth speak. So I never know youth speak. She asked me what IMO stands for. Do you know what IMO stands for? Yeah, in my opinion. Right. Right. I used to use I-M-H-O and then I didn't know what IMO was. Yeah, in my humble opinion. Why do these things need to exist TBQH

what the hell is that what is TBQH to be quite honest oh I would use TBH but sometimes you just want to add that the only one I use all the time is IKR yeah yeah for sure IKR is I know right ah okay got it sorry Olivia's face just then god she's like 23 going on 40 in some ways jesus um yeah so interesting emoji that is yeah i think i think some really obvious signposts for a fuck boy is when they get in touch when they're drunk yeah late night late night late night texts or phone calls um if they only get in touch yeah if they only if yeah if they only talk to you in the evenings or they only want to see you in the evenings yeah they message you like after 10pm yeah exactly oh yeah that's obviously

bootay call but you know bootay I think yeah I think one of the main signs of fuckboy is if they only are interested in sex yeah and like if they want if they you know if they want a relationship they're messaging you to the date

but then they're also your drunk call, that's almost quite flattering. They're drunk and they're thinking of someone and if you... Yeah, that's kind of nice. It's like,

oh, I'm the drunk text. Yes. I think a big sign is that they say one thing and do another or there's a complete disconnect between what they say they want and what they actually do.

Yep. Because that shows that they're immature like emotionally and that they don't quite know what they want, even in themselves. And they'll say anything to get into your knickers. Yeah. Basically, they'll say what they think you want to hear. Yeah. But I think that's, I think we've identified two types of fuckboys.

I think there are the fuckboys that literally just want to fuck you. And then there are the fuckboys who want to fuck with your head. I don't think they deliberately want to fuck with your head. I think they just don't care and just do it. I agree. I think they're like they're kind of selfish. They think very insularly about themselves. Yeah. And their

own desires when dating. Yeah. It's very self-serving behaviour. And yeah, I'm sure the fuckgirls do the same. I mean, I like in some ways I'm very difficult, like I'm very fickle and et cetera. I don't think I'm a fuck girl, hopefully. Hopefully you put your cards on the table, though. I think you're allowed to have standards

that some people might think are picky. Yeah. However, if you communicate, there's no problem. Yeah, I think if you're straightforward about how you feel, then you're never going to fuck boy, fuck girl someone. Yeah, I would agree. Sort of, guys. Okay, so now we know how not to be a fuck boy or a fuck girl.

All right, so next, we have been asking to hear your disaster date stories, and we have very much enjoyed reading everything you've sent in. Olivia is going to now read out loud our favourite one of the week. So Olivia, take it away. Okay, so I'm very pleased that we're reading this on an episode that has the explicit label. You will see why shortly.

Dear Millennial Love Ladies, my dating disaster was actually with my boyfriend. We were celebrating our six-month anniversary and had rented a hotel room for the night in our uni city. Wanting to spice things up a bit, I'd purchased a dress up bodysuit that featured a zip going all the way down my body. Yes, all the way down and up again at the back. As in through the legs? As in through the legs, yeah. My boyfriend and I returned to our hotel room after a lovely dinner and I decided to surprise him by putting the slinky bodysuit on we were just starting to get down and dirty when he started unzipping me it was all quite exciting until the

zip got stuck yes i was naked and there was a pvc bodysuit attached to my vagina there were tears there were screams and there were many swear words. After about 20 minutes of my poor boyfriend trying to delicately unhook me from the outfit of death, he eventually took to phoning the concierge and getting an on-staff doctor to come upstairs and detach me while my poor B-cup tits dangled in his face like two sad, deflated water balloons. It was probably the most humiliating date i've had my boyfriend and i have since split up yours truly mrs i'm never buying a bodysuit again jones oh that's is actually the most horrendous story i mean that is horrendous it's like it's like there's something about mary have you seen that film no no i don't think so okay never mind

i'm sure most people have seen that basically where the guy No, I don't think so. Okay, never mind. We'll just glaze over it. I'm sure most people have seen that. Basically where the guy, he's going to pee and he unzips his trousers and the zip gets stuck in a very uncomfortable position. You just don't want zips anywhere. Yeah, zips should have a health warning. I feel like while you were reading that

everything just sort of jumped back up and everything just sort of like... Gurgled inside. But hey, now we know what to look for if we're going to buy sexy costumes for other people. Yeah.

I think this is a safety warning in that story. Like, also I just like, why would you need a zip to go all that way? I mean. It's just unnecessary.

It seems very unnecessary and I for one will be avoiding them at all costs. But thank you so much for sending in the story. Please keep them coming. Never buying a bodysuit again, Jones.

We loved it and we are so glad you survived to tell the tale. And speaking of dating, second topic of discussion for today is sober dating or not so sober dating as the case may be. Now, Lucy was just mentioning to us that she is rather experienced in the art of sober dating. Do you want to tell us a bit about it? Sure thing. So let's let's premise with during uni I drank a lot like a hell of a lot and I did tinder and so I went on many dates where I was smashed. One of them, I was too drunk to get home. So I had to stay in his bed. Nothing happened because I was too drunk,

but I had to stay somewhere. And then come the end of uni, I realized I had some kind of alcohol problem. So I went sober for about 100 days. And then now I do periods of sobriety kind of on and off if I feel I need to check in with myself and work out where I'm at with it. And during that sobriety kind of on and off if I feel I need to check in with myself and and work out where I'm at with it and during that sobriety period it coincided very nicely with a really intense breakup so I went on lots of weird sober dates okay

so this is so interesting so my personal experience is I do not like the idea of going on a sober first date especially I especially if I'd never like the idea of going on a sober first date, especially. Especially if I'd never met the guy, if it was a date off Bumble or something. I very much feel like to relax, to, I don't know, help me feel more comfortable. Also, I'm better at flirting after a drink or two. It's like what's expected as well. drink or two I it's like what's expected as well and I feel like I feel like I'd find it hard to I don't know a bit harder to relax I also I think I'm much funnier when I'm drunk so I think maybe not not so drunk that I can't speak and say my own name but when I'm tipsy

yeah there's definitely a line which I have learned now um but yeah I think when you strike the right balance of like a few glasses of wine, you know, you're just, you're more comfortable, you're more at ease. The funny witty one-liners just come out left, right and centre and that's what you need on the first date. So what I'm interested in to ask you, Lucy,

is that like, so when you were going on these, you know, Tinder dates or whatever, when you were sober, what was the reaction of the guys when you said oh by the way i'm not drinking did you tell them in advance whoa did you hear that panthera partis if i'm not mistaken cool i'm earth ranger emma by the way wildlife investigator and podcasting legend. I'm on a mission to uncover the secrets of the animal kingdom.

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like not that well, but enough to be like, oh, no, I don't drink anymore haha so um every I think everyone knew beforehand um the kind of problem I faced was I really wanted to date someone like if it was to turn into a relationship who did understand how someone can have a problematic drinking relationship so I needed people who didn't also not drink unless they were like alcoholics, like sobered up alcoholics. So there was a lot of like me trying to assess

what their relationship with alcohol was. Because I'm more than happy for anyone to drink around me. That wasn't an issue. However, something I did really notice is that lots of guys, I only date men, lots of guys, it makes it sound like it's an exclusive party sorry I'm a straight woman um and a lot of these men if they drank a lot themselves felt deeply intimidated by the idea that I didn't and so would try and plan a date

that didn't involve going to a pub and I'd always be like I'm happy to go and sit in a pub and drink a blackcurrant and soda and just talk because that's all I want to do on a first date yeah I want to get to know someone but one guy took me for a meal and then we did golf like what's that thing called where it's crazy crazy girl no no not crazy into the abyss what's that kind of golf called space like a something range far away Hitting golf balls far away? Golf range? Yeah, hitting golf balls far away. That, we did that.

Putting range? No. Something like that. Something range? Never mind. Anyway, we did that and then we took a drive, went to Blackheath, watched the sunset. Sounds like a really long day. It was ridiculous.

So nice. It was amazing. But it is the best date I think I've been on. I'm like, oh that's great but it was just this really odd dynamic of he was so scared to take me to a pub or a bar that's really interesting I guess he probably thought he was being really thoughtful and like actually that's quite impressive that he put that much effort into it yeah and he's a lovely guy. But he clearly thought that he needed to do that. The thing is, if I went on a date and we planned to go for drinks or something,

and then the guy was like, oh, I'm not drinking, I would probably then be like, oh, should I drink? Should I not drink? That's a really interesting thing about our own attitudes towards alcohol, I think, because you notice it really strongly especially in British culture that if someone says oh I'm not drinking everyone else feels kind of insecure about their own drinking so they go no I won't drink as well I won't drink as well and that's not necessary and it's so true as well that if you're like out for dinner with friends or something and then if

one person goes oh actually I'm just gonna stick to water then everyone else is like more likely to be like yeah yeah actually me too but then if someone else goes oh should we get some wine I'm just going to stick to water then everyone else is like more likely to be like yeah yeah actually me too but then if someone else goes oh should we get some wine I'm gonna have a glass of wine and then you go oh well if you are yeah and then we just want to do what we feel is like that's what everyone else is doing there's a real pack mentality when it comes to drinking which I think is actually a bit of a shame because if because I'm usually the one if we're going for dinner during the week or something I will usually be like oh well I don't really want to drink I just don't feel like I need to. And I've been in situations where friends of mine have been like,

oh, God, you're so boring. Yeah, there's a lot of emotional pressure. It's like shaming for not drinking. But it's only because they want to feel better about themselves. Well, exactly. It all comes from insecurity. But it seems so unnecessary. Like, why should someone feel worse about having a drink if the other person that they're with isn't drinking? Like, it's just it seems so unnecessary like why should someone feel worse about having a drink if the other person that they're with isn't drinking like it's a personal choice and I think

it says a lot about a guy if you go to a date you go on a date and for whatever reason maybe you say oh no I'm not going to drink and and they then start really probing you on it and start showing that they feel uncomfortable with that that says a lot about the kind of person they are really really easy way to weed out the assholes absolutely straight away if someone feels uncomfortable by the fact that you're not drinking yeah that is yeah like textbook so it gets rid of the fuck boys as well but i do think if you are if you have planned like a sober date and you've established beforehand that one of you or both of you for whatever reasons aren't drinking do you actually think an activity rather than a pub date or say a restaurant is actually better because it's just it's just a bit more fun and it doesn't have to be about you know sitting with one another and thinking bless you my greatest fear on a date is basically running out of

conversation running out of things to say and there being an awkward silence and and that's more likely to happen in the pub than on you know crazy but it's also more likely to happen if we haven't had a drink everyone's chatty and i'm a chatty person already yeah i know i sit next to you yeah i try and plan I try and plan a couple of like kind of one line of questions to fill those gaps such as oh I don't know anything about their job or their work or what they actually are doing in their free time the passion project rather than so got any pets but you know what sometimes you do just want to know if they've got any pets. No?

Is that just me? Yeah, yeah, definitely. I like that. It's not the first thing I jump to, but yeah, I can see. I usually go first. So tell me your life story. Really? I mean, sometimes.

Okay. That's a lot. That's bold. I just want to know all the background. And do people really tell you their life story? i ask many questions along the way okay i'm like they just carry on firing questions at them until they feel like they're in a job interview it goes very well and then they like oh this is why you're a journalist sometimes um but yeah sober dating i think it should be more acceptable because I think it's a shame that like there is so much drinking you know culture associated with dating and even though I sort of feel like

for me on a date I kind of want to have a drink um I also think I don't want it to always because I even sometimes like oh if a guy will like ask me out or something and I'll be like oh I've got one free evening that week but I'd really like to not drink and just have a quiet night or something and then I feel if I go on a date I'm like I'm gonna have to drink and I don't want to I know what you mean I actually was seeing a guy last year and um when I sort of ended things after a couple of months he was like oh I have to go back to dating and that means more drinking and I don't really want to drink I don't like drinking that much and and that was quite sad that he felt like that yeah definitely it shouldn't be something that is expected of you I don't think yeah yeah did a lot of sober dating well done that takes

strength it was it was all right it was all right anyway so we are on Bumble. You are in a relationship. I am. That's very exciting. I did a little bit of Tinder and Bumble pre that and a lot of Tinder when I was 19. But no, now I'm in a fresh new relationship. Very exciting. Did you meet said new boyfriend on a dating app? Alas, no.

A mutual friend. Oh, that's nice. That's the best way. I got very lucky. It was one of the things where it was like, oh, we're not going to become a relationship, are we?

That's very silly. And then it just literally happened. That's like a film. Rachel's got like a fairy tale glazed look over her face. That's my issue.

Then too many rom-coms. Anyway, so, we are about to tell you all our Bumble bio of the week week and this was one Livy found so would you like to tell the crowd we protect our bumble bio of the week identities so his name is Ed that's all the information I'm going to tell you his bio is I'm helping a mate complete a 3,000 piece jigsaw puzzle if that doesn't show commitment i don't know what does see i really like that i think that's just like a little bit

unusual yeah it's like a joke yeah yeah and also like you know if that's true that's impressive yeah and it gives you something to talk about you can be like so how's the jigsaw going what's the puzzle of yeah and as we've learned last week when we had louise from bumble in asking something about their bio or their profile is the key opener yeah for sure for a long time mine was full set of teeth nice good all i'd give people like a question like as in do you have a full set of teeth no no the statement oh full set in the bio nice but then people might be like but did you have braces have you got any fillings might go down a dentistry route or maybe that's only the sort of thing I would do anywho um Libby have you taken on Louise's advice on how

to improve your profile since last week so I have I am basically Rachel and I had our dating bios analyzed by Louise last week uh Rachel won in the dating app bio competition. I did not fare as well. So I have since improved my profile. I have added more photos. I have gotten rid of the line that said I might write about you, even though I probably will. And I have had, I've been more active on my swiping.

Turns out I have a type because the five boys I've been speaking to are either called Ben or Christopher. That's so funny. I mean, what? And I didn't even realize this until yesterday when I kept, I kept noticing that it kept being like, Ben has sent you a message. Ben has sent you a message. I was like, Christ, Ben's a chatty guy, isn't he?

And then I looked at it and I was like oh right three different cut three different bens do they all call themselves christopher yeah yeah yeah christopher i never really know when they have like william or alexander i never whether to go in with like hey will hey alex or to full name them yeah it feels quite formal to full name them um but no i haven't got around to the stage of actually being asked to go on a date. And I haven't plucked up the courage to ask someone on a date myself. When does that happen? So as a, what's this, Tinder Bumble user, I followed my friend Sana, who's another YouTuber's rule,

which was that within the first conversation, you should get to a point where you should ask someone out on a date. What does that that within the first conversation you should get to a point where you should ask someone out on a date. What does that mean the first conversation? The first I don't know initial chat

over an evening. If you think they're funny and good ask them on a date. Got it. Go on then. And the challenge from Louise was

that if Olivia and I can get ourselves sorted with dates from Bumble within a week, which at the time of recording gives Olivia one day, then they would organise a fun date for us. Yeah, I've got 24 hours to make the decision. It just really freaks me out because I've actually never been on a dating app date with a total stranger. The only dates I've been on from Bumble or Tinder have been with people that I already know.

So I've sort of cheated the system a bit. First time for everything. Yeah, I'm just a bit nervous. You don't do it if you don't want to, obviously. Yeah, I don't know. I might. I might pluck up the courage. We'll see.

Rachel, how about you? I feel like you've been getting on much better with your super profile. Well, I've also slightly added to my profile on Louise's recommendation I added something saying like looking for someone who's equally keen to spend the winter drinking mulled wine and eating mince pies in a Christmas jumper oh you are too adorable I mean but that that is genuinely what I want to do and actually some guys have um spoken to me about that one guy even sort of we started talking about peanut butter mince pies,

which aren't a thing, but I think they should be because he like, I also, wait, oh, you're not impressed. No. Okay. Rachel has peanut butter aficionado on her bio. That's a great thing. Thank you. But yeah, so anyway, so I sort of have been like,

after Louise set this challenge, I've been like, right, yeah, bumble, swipe, swipe, swipe. And so, but then it's got a bit overwhelming. I've sort of got too many conversations on the go right now. And it's a bit like, you can't remember who you said to which boy and then which boy is the one who does that job and is from this place and was talking about the halloumi fries. Mate, try doing it when they all have the same bloody name.

That's extra confusing. It's so confusing. But I have actually been asked out by a handful. doing it when they all have the same bloody name that's extra confusing it's so confusing but i have actually been asked out by a handful and i've sort of um including uh i didn't tell you everyone bumble bio of the week from last week remember tom who was a who liked um liked his women how he likes his coffee strong and given you know appropriate what did he say recognition in society in the workplace yeah he was great so I matched with him and he's actually asked me out so you

never know me and Tom he might be the one um but I've just um I'm just at this point now actually I looked these boys have asked me out and I sort of haven't really given concrete answers because I've looked at my diary and it's like chocker for like three weeks and I I can't bring myself to be like I'm not free until three weeks on Tuesday so I might have to but then if you have cancelled every or ever I've done this made the mistake before of cancelling my real social life plans to go on a date and then it never works out with a boy and I'm like god damn it why did I do that when how long is your lunch break an hour find out where they work see if you can do a 45 minute speed date over like coffee

so fun we should do that that's an interesting idea because you don't need more than 45 minutes at first yeah but I don't know

if anyone would come to Kensington and it stops the risk of you sleeping with them which is great that's true you can be like oh sorry

gotta run to the office exactly you can't get yeah you can do your sober dating in a normal environment and you can't get so drunk, you can do your sober dating in a normal environment and you can't get so drunk that you're like,

hey, come back to mine when you don't really want to. Right, that's the next challenge. God, so many challenges coming out of this.

I know. Okay, that's the thing we need to try. Sober lunchtime date. Okay, a coffee date. We'll do it. They're gonna have to be local.

Yeah. They're gonna have to scour the streets. Hey, wanna date me? Like now? That's it, but that's how Bumble works, isn't it? Oh, you can't swipe in the day. Sorry, ignore me.

You can swipe in the day. Yeah, but like, not when you're at work doing important work. No, obviously not. We never go on Bumble during the day. No, I wouldn't do that. I think that's it for today, girls. Time's flown. Awesome.

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