Lovett or Leave It - 438: Minnesota Breaks the ICE

Episode Date: January 31, 2026

Lovett brings the hot dish straight from Minnesota’s ICE protestors, Stephen Miller and Kristi Noem freeze in place, and the Trump administration is caught off guard by the bravery of nice people. This week, Andy Richter and Vic Michaelis join Lovett for a few rounds of Interview Roulette, and lend some constrictive criticism to Kristi Noem, the Melania movie, and one very fat, damp coyote. And we end with some Second Thoughts for our number one guy.For a closed-captioned version of this episode, click here. For a transcript of this episode, please email [e-mail] and include the name of the podcast.

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Give Credit Counseling Society a call today. Visit no more debts.org. What's up, Los Angeles? Welcome to Love It or Leave It Live at Dynasty. typewriter. We've got a great show for you tonight. Andy Richter is here. Vic McAulis is here. We're going to step into the interview Thunderdome, read people to filth in the cleanest way possible, and then we'll take our third shot at second thoughts. But first, let's get into it. What a week. There's an old line about Napoleon's doomed Russia campaign

and his ultimate retreat from Moscow. The Grand Army had said arrived like conquerors, but fled like fugitives. Not sure what made me think of that, but I was in Minneapolis this week. Because I wanted to see on the ground what it was like there for myself. I spent a lot of time talking to protesters outside the Whipple Building, the current base for ICE operations in the Twin Cities, and this is neither here nor there, but the Whipple Building is too delightful a name to headquarter a lawless deportation program. The Whipple Building is where you store your city's butterscotch reserves. Whenever a vehicle would drive by, the protesters would all stop and scan the people inside. Are you one of us? Are you part of our community? Or are you part of the occupying force

that has been wreaking havoc for weeks? Some of the protesters were there to organize against ICE to be part of a community-wide effort to protect their neighbors. Others set up supplies to keep people warm. And still others I met were there because they were just fucking furious. I don't want to say fuck ice because you couldn't pay me enough to fuck. I anybody from ICE. I probably shouldn't say stuff like that. What happened in Minnesota Nice? This is Minnesota Nice.

If they can't handle bad words, maybe they shouldn't come here. And you'd see car after car of masked federal agents. Some would speed by. Their heads kind of forward. Others would slow down to actually antagonize the demonstrators. Like the WWE, but instead of John Cena, it's an angry, fragile, unfuckable zero, who was excited to stay in a hotel because his ex-girlfriend took the bed frame when she left. And even though that was two years ago, his mattress is still on the floor pressed into the corner of his blank-walled bachelor bedroom that reeks of icy hot tachies and dried release.

It was a stark contrast between the protesters standing in the freezing cold day after day and these masked agents in their rented SUVs clearly getting off on playing the heel. And it's no wonder, here is what Stephen Miller said earlier this month following the shooting death of Renee Good, but before the shooting death of Alex Predey. To all ICE officers, you have federal immunity in the conduct of your duties. And anybody who lays a hand on you or tries to stop you or tries to obstruct you is committing a felony. Solid legal advice from the law offices of in-cell, in-cell, and Dershowitz. In fairness to Stephen, you'd also be mad all the time if your Fontenelle never closed. He's got to lay them down really gently. J.D. Vance told them they'd have absolute immunity before walking it back last week.

The precedent here is very simple. You have a federal law enforcement official engaging in federal law enforcement action. That's a federal issue. That guy is protected by absolute immunity. He was doing his job. I didn't say, and I don't think any other official within the Trump administration, said that officers who engaged in wrongdoing would enjoy immunity. That's absurd.

Of course, that's assuming these clips are of the same guy. If there are two of them now, we're going to need a bigger couch. I don't know. It's like, you know what's sad? It's like a couch joke, but I knew it would work, so it's fine. It's back to it. And so ICE and Border Patrol haven't been acting like law enforcement. They've been acting like a gang.

Here's just one example of an ICE agent in Minneapolis proving the point. You erase your voice? I erase your voice. If I raise my voice, you'll erase my... Exactly, yeah. But Amanda Gorman's Wario isn't just saying what they're... It's just saying what they're all thinking. This entire campaign has been about...

intimidation from the start. Minneapolis isn't a big city. It barely cracks the top 50 in the United States. It's a diverse city, but it doesn't have a particularly large foreign-born population. This current ICE operation was in part instigated by a conservative YouTuber who claimed to unearth massive fraud conducted by Somali-run federally funded daycares. But there were already 62 investigations underway into that alleged fraud, and dozens were already charged under the Biden administration several years ago. And even if there was ongoing fraud, that has absolutely nothing to do with immigration enforcement. Can you imagine the schmucks from ICE doing forensic accounting?

Half of these guys are in ICE because they didn't understand how interest worked before they became underwater on a fucking cyber truck. And we know all this is just a pretext because six federal prosecutors quit rather than investigate Renee Good's widow and one of those prosecutors was in charge of the fraud investigations

that Trump claims to care so much about. Meanwhile, all the chaos on our screens has led Americans to believe that ICE is making cities less safe. And in the Twin Cities, you come to see how that is literally true. And not only in the immediate chaos, ICE has unleashed. I met somebody who was part of a mutual aid organization. He had seen up close people not only afraid to leave the house, but afraid to call 911,

to report domestic abuse, to go to the hospitals to seek shelter. I talked to a police officer about all the ways this is putting pressure on the resources of law enforcement. Everywhere you go, the cops are having to do their best to keep the peace in a city on edge in what amounts to a 24-hour-a-day, seven-day-a-week protest. I did take that to mean you could just park basically anywhere, loading zones, sidewalks,

and we never paid a meter once and never got a single ticket. But there are downsides. And then there is the response by the citizens of Minnesota. People on corners everywhere invest with whistles all across the Twin Cities in front of high schools and elementary schools and preschools on corners in immigrant neighborhoods

in what would have been busy commercial districts but now feel like ghost towns. It was a grassroots army of volunteer sentinels standing in the extreme cold for hours at a time. Los Angeles, imagine an AMC movie theater, but you've forgotten your hoodie. Now imagine colder. Or maybe this will help. The weather in Minnesota is what cryotherapy is based on. We met union leaders organizing rides to work and supplies for their members, native organizations doing patrols and providing mutual aid. people who have been activists their whole lives, people who began protesting after the killing of Philando Castile and George Floyd.

I met somebody who had never been to a protest before in his entire life, and he was like hot. Every kind of person was out there. I, for many years, was involved in what led up to Project 2025. And I was a straight-ticket Republican voter for 25. years of my life. And of course, I'll never vote that way again. I just want to note about that guy is I went up to him. So we were at the Alex Prattie Memorial where he was killed and it was obviously a somber place and there are people

laying down candles and signs. Some of them funny. Some are very serious. Some of them sad. One thing that was just very sad to see is how many people had laid down stethoscopes. at the memorial and I saw him and he did not want to talk and actually when I stopped him, he said, oh, I'm not eloquent. I don't have anything to say. I don't have anything to say, which is a common thing. You just people feel like, that's not for me. I'm like, there's such a humble thing about the Twin Cities. And I just seen this guy. And by the way, it's a small thing, but like it is so cold. And he's not, like, he's, like, he's, comfortable in the cold. Like, you just tell, he's just a guy that's, like, used to the cold.

Like, I am, I am fucking freezing. He's, like, barely covered. He's fine. But I just watched this big burly guy carry flowers to the morial, lay them down, stand in silence for, you know, 20 or 30 seconds, and then just turn around to walk away. And I, like, just wanted to talk to him. And just one of the many people that they're not being interviewed. They're not loud, but they are part of the response you see everywhere. When you would go to the pretty, Memorial, there were people there at all hours. And it may not be a big crowd, but there are always people just coming, taking a moment and walking away the same, the René Good Memorial. There was just a man outside the René Good Memorial who had been there all night in front of a fire just to keep

watch over it, to prevent anybody from messing with it, to prevent anybody from clearing anything away at all hours everywhere. And you just saw that, that, you saw that everywhere. just saw people everywhere, just taking small moments to be part of the community and feeling like they just wanted to do some small thing. So anyway, I met that guy, and he'll never vote Republic again, and congrats to Jill Stein on getting another voter. Trump relieved his commander at large, Greg Bovino. He was issued his walking papers on Monday and immediately turned back into a nutcracker.

After Stephen Miller called Alex Pretti a would-be assassin, and Christy Noem called this ICU nurse for veterans. and domestic terrorists seeking to do maximum damage to law enforcement, rather than apologize like human beings. They both have been trying to blame each other. And I say, let them duke it out. I have no dog in this fight, and obviously neither does Christyneum. Not anymore.

But in some way, Stephen Miller and Christy Noem and Greg Bevino being despicable was useful because it made the leadership as ugly as the campaign itself, if anything, all the filler, just made it worse. No change in tone or leadership will change the math. ICE cannot reach Stephen Miller's deportation goals without grabbing people who are going to their immigration appointments, legally applying for asylum, or just trying to work and just trying to live.

And that means whatever happens at the top, either a policy of mass deportations will end or ICE will come to your city too. On Tuesday, court filings revealed that ICE intends to build a new detention center in Newport, Oregon. In Portland, Oregon, an entire family was detained by ICE while taking their seven-year-old daughter to urgent care because her nose wouldn't stop bleeding. They made it as far as the parking lot.

Now that family's being held at the same Texas facility where five-year-old Liam Ramos is. That's the kid in the blue bunny hat. He's being held there with his father. ICE was already in Portland, Maine, in an operation called, playfully, catch of the day, though apparently Christy Noem told Susan Collins said that operation would end. There's been all kinds of speculation about where ICE would go next. Philadelphia, city government is debating ways to restrict ICE, as rumors swirled at that city,

filled with brotherly love and great sandwiches, might be the administration's next target, which would be pretty insane even for Trump. You just lost in a city filled with our country's nicest whites. You're going to the city with our meanest ones. Mark my words, they're going to arrest a dozen dudes in Philly for pelting ice agents with D batteries, and then every last one of them is going to go,

what is ice? We were talking to protesters at, Whipple when we got word that we could run over to the Capitol and sit down with Governor Tim Walts. So I asked a few people there what they'd want to know from the governor. And they'd a range of the most Minnesota reactions imaginable. Like, oh, I don't know. I'm just here to be supportive. I wouldn't know what to ask the governor or anything like that.

And one person said, we're out here. And we just need to know that he's on our side and not their side. And then as we were walking to leave, we ran into another couple of protesters. And I said, is there anything you'd want us to, the governor, to know about what you're feeling and what's happening out here? And she just said, I guess I want him to know they were all just so sad. And then she just broke down. Just broke down.

And then she said she was a fan of the show, which, like, oddly didn't help. It's a hard time for everyone. The Bruce Springsteen song wasn't very good. And I'm sure it's hard to be the guy who says, I don't know. I think this one could use another pass. Bruce Springsteen. It's kind of literal,

but we all have to do hard things right now. What happened to subtlety and universal truth in art? We can we be honest about Amanda Gorman's rhyming AP stories? Clearly not yet. So, emotions were very close to the surface, everywhere you went. Everybody was pretty raw and angry and heartbroken about what was happening in their home. But one thing that I thought captured, the experience is as, you know, there's mass guys going in and out and they're being

yelled at and they're taunting back and it's pretty ugly. But then there would be, say, a fire truck go by. And those guys are from the community and the people in the protest would be like, you know, give us a horn or like honk or wave, right? And they're not sure what they're supposed to do, right? Because they're both sort of representatives of the government and they're supposed to be official, but they also feel a connection to the community and just to see people people feel that tension. You feel that genuinely everywhere. It was inspiring to see all those people on the street, corner after corner in their vests and their whistles. It is also deeply strange and uncomfortable to see people standing on street corners forming a kind of grassroots organization to defend

themselves against the federal government and federal law enforcement because they know that that machine is not respecting court orders, not respecting the law. And so it is a beautiful thing to see, but it's also a terrifying thing to see. And I know it's easier to be mad than to be sad. And so in our personal lives, the work often happens. We have to learn to stop being mad and face that we're sad and really kind of sit in being sad. But I actually think we should fight the urge to be sad and try to stay really fucking mad. And I think this can help.

This tragedy occurred as a result of a deliberate and hostile resistance by Democrat leaders in Minnesota. I'm supposed to feel sorry for Alex Pready, but I don't. I don't. Do you know why I wasn't shot by Border Patrol this weekend? Because I kept my ass inside and out of their operations. Boy Scout outdoorsman, right? You know who that is? A lot of people. Dennis Raider, the BTK killer, was all those things. Trump and Nome and Miller and all these freaks, they've convinced themselves that empathy is weakness. And everything about Trump and his project is about training people to be less caring and more selfish, to be less forgiving and more cruel. But that also means they're caught off guard when kind people are tougher and braver than they are. When a nurse who cared

cared for dying veterans puts his life on the line to help a woman push to the ground and his death galvanizes the country. And when a city rises up to meet a hostile force on every corner at every turn against tear gas and pepper spray and a campaign of intimidation out of love for their neighbors alone. And I saw that everywhere in the Twin Cities too. And I also saw the governor's insane Diet Mountain Dew fridge. It's too few, but also too many. There are nine Diet Mountain Dews in there. And of course, that's a lot of Diet Mountain Dews. But not if you have a fridge for them. And so now we have Tom Holman saying this.

That said, I'm not here because the federal government has carried its mission out perfectly. I do not want to hear that everything's been done here has been perfect. Shouldn't be a problem. I'd like to pause and acknowledge a technique Holman is using here. It's a turn of phrase. It's called a litotis. Do you know what a lightotis is? that's where instead of describing something directly,

you describe how something is not, it's contrary. So Trump's immigration enforcement in Minneapolis has not been handled perfectly. The Titanic's maiden voyage did not go as planned. Ticket sales for the Melania documentary have not surpassed our expectations. And that shift from Homan is more than just a change in tone. This is common sense cooperation

that allows to draw down on the number of people we have here. Yes, I said it. Drawed down the number of people here. We've conditioned ourselves not to celebrate even small victories because we don't want to seem naive and we don't want to let our guards down. And I get that. But it is worth saying that the people of Minnesota rose up against the Trump administration and the Trump administration backed down.

And whatever comes next, whatever, yeah. And whatever comes next, whatever horrors we get to see, that it ought to teach them a lesson and serve as a lesson for all of us too. We're not trapped in here with Trump. Trump is trapped in here with us. And there's no way this gets back to Bruce Springsteen, right? Like, there's no... Like, what are the odds?

That seems impossible, right? Bruce is not going to hear about this. We've got a great show for you tonight. Coming up next, it's Andy Richter and Vic McAilis. Our chance of ice out now. Our city's heart and soul persists. Through broken glass and bloody, tears on the streets of Minneapolis.

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And we're back. My guest tonight are one of the stars of Peacock's ponies and a man who moves as beautifully as one on the dance floor. Please put your hooves together for Vic Michaelis and Andy Richter.

Hi. Hi. Hi. Thanks for being here. Come on in. Hi to you both. Thanks for being here. Thanks, John. Andy and Vic,

you were both on a podcast together this week. Yes. You were on Andy's podcast. Yeah, Andy said he never talked to me again. Yeah, yeah. Here we are. It was too pleasant.

Now, this is three questions with Andy Richter. I've been a guest of that podcast. Vic, your dad listened to the episode and realized that the woman who redid his kitchen years ago was Andy's mother. My mother. So your mother redid your dad's kitchen? My dad texts me at 4 o'clock in the morning. And he just says, Andy Richter, exclamation point. And I said, okay, I'll bite.

Dads do that all the time. He is in Florida, so it was a little bit more of a reasonable time. And then he's like, I think his mom did our kitchen unless there's another Andy Richter on TV. And there isn't. There sure isn't. I made sure of that. But is your mother an interior decorator or designer? She was a kitchen designer.

Yeah. She's retired now. But yeah, she was a kitchen. kitchen designer. She designed kitchens and was very good at it. And also kind of, like, did enough that she also was kind of a subcontractor and started to do bigger

projects, but usually renovations and cabinetry. But like big, big, like, you know, 20 years ago, jobs that were like $200,000 in cabinets, you know. That's a lot of cabinets. Yeah. Boy. Boy. Because it's a lot of

fancy places in Chicago. Huh. For the big thing in the kitchen was my dad. I remember, the only thing I remember from that time because it was 2003. How old were you then? One. Oh, wow.

I was a baby. Wow. So tiny. But my skin looked exactly the same skin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly like it is right now. Perfect, beautiful skin, but smaller. Smaller.

No, you, but same skin, stretch. Maybe better now because only four inches smaller, though. Huh? I just have the eye, like you just always being sort of this height. I love that. I'm such a fan, Andy.

Thank you for letting you. You're welcome. You're welcome. But there was these like... That's the cruelest thing anyone's ever said to me. That's the cruelest thing anyone's ever said to you. The acid in that. Such a fan.

I'm so glad you let me sit next to you. When I was on the podcast, I was in another room. You were in a different room during the room? No, that is not true. That is not true. He would be calling from another room. You'd become one of those. Yeah.

There was a window he put up the blind. He said, I don't want to see you while we're doing this. That's right. I'm a germ freak. Yeah. I love them. Now, Andy, speaking of you... Wait, but they didn't finish then.

No, it's fine. Nobody wants to hear about it. My mother talked him into fridge pull-outs. My mother talked him into fridge pull-out. Did you get the fridge pull-out? Pull-out fridges. What? My dad was so mad about it.

He went, we spent so much more money than I was planning on spending on these pull-out fridges. And then when he went to sell the house, it was the selling point. It was all people were interested in. So you made the money back. I'm sorry. fridge Yeah yeah

You pull it out The whole shelf comes out So that there's no digging in the back You pull out the whole Wow a shelf A shelf Pull out cold Cold fridge shelf

Yeah pull it out Okay Okay Okay Yeah Yeah Andy Yes

Speaking of Speaking of The internet dubbed you the people's princess They did During your recent turn On Dancing with the Stars They did

Thank you Yeah that was a surprise. That's me. That's me in my target lemon blouse that I wore once and my wife said never wear that again. Now, did your time as people's princess end better than it did for the last one? It did. It really did. I'm talking about Princess Diana dying in a horrible car wreck.

I was going to say I never let Frenchmen drive me anywhere. That's smart. Then they maybe would have... They're making a really expensive Beanie Baby of you, though, aren't they? I hope so. Oh, I see. There we go. Cut that.

No, we can cut that. I can leave. I'll leave. Elton John's writing a song. Well, he's retooling crocodile rock for me. Is that about Princess Diana? Yep. Crocodile Rock is about Princess Diana.

It's about me now, though. Yeah. Well, it was originally... Yeah, now it's about Andy. Right. Yeah, it sort of can be... It sort of adjusts. Yeah.

You know? So, I wanted to ask you about this, because one thing you've said is that you had to get over what you have described as fat kid programming to be on the show. Yes. What is that? Well, fat kid stuff is just being a fat kid and getting like a sort of like a canker of shame that just becomes like a cyst in the center of your person and you carry it around forever. And you can become like a very well-adjusted person and everything, but it's always there. And because like, I, like, the president, like, to me, I was, I felt like going on dancing with the stars would be similar to like doing the president's physical fitness test, which we used to have to do.

And it was like, like, I could not do a pull-up. I could not. And then, and then there was some sort of, I don't know how much of a run. It was like a long, to me it seemed like forever. There were pull-ups on the test for you? They were pull-ups, yeah. They cut them when we were doing it. No, they cut everything.

The test went woke, yeah. But there was some kind of longer run. And there was, you know, I wasn't even like the fat kid in our school. And in that run, the fat kid would beat me in the thing, which is, you know, I mean, I have the poisonousness in me too. you know and saying the be fat kid but i just thought i'm going to be on this dancing show and all these people are going to see me and like this you know this horrible thing that i am because of my my my weakness and my you know lack of willpower and and you know and like i say this is all this is one little chunk of me and there's a whole bunch of like there's a fucking egotomaniac

wandering around in the outside of that self-loathing uh But I was really like a candy shell in a sense. Yes, precisely. Yeah, the thing that really draws people in. Yeah. Egotomaniac. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

But I just really felt like, oh, this is, you know, I felt like it was the president's physical fitness test. And I was going to be like not be able to do it. And everyone would just see me and be like, oh, that slob. And of course, no one really was going to do that. And then I started doing it and I could do it. And it really sort of like adjust. my view of myself and and I had also too started to just I wasn't I wasn't exercising enough I had gotten too heavy and I in doing it before doing it I started to think about myself more in terms of my physical limitations and it turned out to that like I needed a hip replacement which I just got three weeks ago and so I was I was messed up like I had had had all these issues with my left leg, you know, just different things. And when I started doing the

dancing, I was like, oh, I can rehearse dancing four hours a day for seven days a week. I'm not limited. Like, I can do whatever I want. If I, you know, if I choose to go on a strenuous hike, I could do that. I could, you know, I'm certainly not running, but I could have I wanted to. You could have, you ever who would want to. Oh, my God. Why run if not being chased. Did they let you keep the hip? Do you get the hip in a jar? No, and it's just the knob of the femur. But that's cool when you want that? Well, just to maybe make a stock. To put in some red beans, you know, surprise the kids. Yeah, it's because collagen's so important. Everything's about collagen these days. Yeah, it gives a body to the broth. Yeah, it's a sort of a savory quality

too, right. Yeah, you can't put your finger on it, but that's a bone broth. No, they just, they They lop off the knob of the femur, the ball of the ball would suck. They lop off the ball of the femur? Yeah. Well, I imagine they saw it. You know, it's like that. And you're out. And then, yeah. You're out.

And then the implant looks so much like a Hitachi magic wand that it's, it's kind of sexy in a way. But it is a spike. It's a titanium spike. Huh. And I, my wife said this is terrible of me, but I showed our soon-to-be six-year-old daughter. She was asking me about it. And I said, well, let's see it, you know, we can see video of what the surgery dad's going to get. And it's like that, that thing.

It's like I said, it's a big titanium spike. And there's no screws. They just go, kang, kang, kang, kang, and just hammer it into your femur. Huh. And it just gets lodged in there. And then eventually the bone grows around it. And my wife was like, what are you showing? I was like, she didn't mind.

And my daughter was like, I don't mind. I like that. I like that you're talking about it. Yeah. I think that's a beautiful thing. Don't you, Vic? Bone grows around it? Around it, yeah, yeah.

Like ivy? Yeah. Right, I love it. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. Bone grows around anything. Yeah.

Yeah. Are fingernails bones? No. I don't know. I don't think so. No, fingernails are modified hair follicles. Yeah, yeah. And our hair bones?

Hair is bones. Teeth are not bones. Teeth are not bones. Teeth are bones. Teeth are bones. Hair is fish bones. Hair is fish bones. Fish bones.

Super thin. Mm-hmm. Vic, you're on ponies on Peacock and you speak Russian on the show. Are you as good at speaking Russian as that hot guy from that other show? No. Connor's story, absolutely not. I legitimately was Fabian, who was our wonderful dialect coach, I kind of sort of bullied into at the end of shooting telling me that I was the worst Russian speaker he'd ever

worked with. Wow. I just, I don't know. I think if I wasn't going to be the best, I really needed to be the best at something and I was the best at being the worst at it. Do you find that I find that I've often, if I'm going to, like, I feel like there are like carrot people and stick people. Sure.

And like, if I'm getting negative feedback, I'm getting worse and worse till I'm the worst. Yes. But if I'm getting good feedback, I'm like, I'm a puppy. Like, if you tell me I'm doing a great job, I'm going to file. I want that approval. But do you have that like internal matronome of being like, I know this isn't going. Well, we know that this is like, this is tough. You know what I mean?

Like, I feel like I, like when I'm playing games and stuff like that, even if I'm like kind of like I could still be in like winning monopoly or something like that, if it looks like it's taking a turn, I'm like, we're just, I need to be the worst then. I need to lose big. Yeah, yeah. No, I get that. So Vic. Yes. You also are a veteran interviewer. Sure.

As the host of the dropouts, very important people in which you interested. You can interview comedians, but they are hidden from you. Yeah. And I just want to show people a clip of what this looks like. Oh, gorgeous. Delicious. First wish. Candy bar.

Biggest candy bar. Biggest candy bar. Yeah. A butterfinger. I was only able to eat like two bites of it. Yeah. And then it started to melt. It was crazy.

You got a second wish. Yeah. Second wish, I wish for my brother to come back from the army. I'm a professional. Okay, so what's that about? Sort of the show in general. It really is the most fun thing in the world. I started doing improv.

Have you done any improv? Just whatever's happening now. Yeah, great. I love that. And like you... This scene work right here. You spend so long in improv doing it for like five people at a theater at like 11 p.m. at night just begging people to come and watch.

And so I ended up getting sort of swooped up into like a group of us that started doing stuff over at college humor, that then ceased to exist and then turned into the streaming service called Dropout. And so it's like to be able to get paid to do improv is incredible. It's a dream. I never would have even thought that that was possible, like five years ago. Have you seen much of very important people?

Yeah, I've seen some of it. Oh, it's so funny. It's really funny, folks. It's really, really funny. I love it. Now, considering the volume of interview talent we have on stage right now, It didn't seem fair that I'd be the only person asking questions. So it's time for a segment we're calling interview roulette.

So here's how interview roulette works. We are going to spin the interview roulette wheel, which will choose both the question and the person who will ask it to up the ante. You might get to ask the other two a fun, fluffy softball question or be tasked with throwing us a hard ball. I genuinely do not know the questions. I am in it with the two of you. That is real. Are you both ready? Yes.

Yes. All right. Let's spin the interview roulette wheel And see if this segment turns into something Oh, I wish it was a real wheel All right, Andy You have to choose from the softball pile here We'll hand that to hand

Just yeah, hand me a softball And who did you just to both of us or one of us You choose What's the weirdest thing you've ever seen A famous person do? This could be really hard ball though That is true Because the first one that came to mind

I absolutely cannot share Why don't you just share it but anonymize the celebrity? Okay. I had a celebrity and this is kind of weird but mostly kind of mean. I had a celebrity for a survival job. I worked doing like a brand ambassadoring and a lot of sort of like catering, which was mostly just sort of like walking around in tiny dresses, handing out hors d'oeuvs to people.

And there was a party where a celebrity asked if it, it was like a waffle cone with mac and cheese in it. They were like, is there gluten in this? I was like, yeah, probably. but I can like double check. And she was like, you don't know already? And I was like, no. And she goes, let me talk to your boss.

And I know. And then she called my boss over. And my boss was like, you have to go home. We're still going to pay you for the night. But this person has complained enough about you, not understanding the menu. So you have to go home. Wow. So that's kind of weird.

Oh, I want to know who it is. I'll tell you off mic. I'm so sorry. And it's a good one too. It's honestly kind of. exactly who you'd think. I have Wow. Wait, is it exactly who we think? Probably. Cool.

I wonder who we think it is. So I'll do, this is mine is, so I'm also going to not say who it is, but I will only say that it is someone who has been on this show. Wow. Did it happen backstage? Did it happen? Was it something? It did not happen here. I'm going to anonymize

it. You will not know who I'm talking about. Did this thing happen and then you invited them on the show? I will explain what happened. Okay. I don't be so quiet. I was at an event. I was at an event. and there was a celebrity there who was going to be on this show in a couple of weeks. And I had already known that and we had talked about that. And this person was excited to come on the show. I was and still excited to have them on, would have them on again.

I consider this a story I'm telling with love. And so I went up and I said, hi, celebrity. I'm John Lovett. It's so nice to me. I'm so excited you're going to be on the show next week. We talked and like they introduced themselves back. We talked for a few minutes. It was actually an event where I had to like,

go speak. And so I went and I like go did a thing on stage, came back off, got a drink. Then I saw them again. And I walked up to them and they said, hi, I'm so-and-so. I'm going to be on your show in a few weeks. I was like, what's happening? And I was like, oh, hi. Yeah. It's right. They did it again from the top. The whole interaction. Like the first one hadn't happened. like they reintroduced themselves like we hadn't had the conversation already. It was genuinely one of the strangest thing. It wasn't good or bad.

It was just truly one of the weirdest things that's ever happened to me. Did a part of you chalk it up to your forgetability? Let's spin the wheel. I changed it. I was a hard ball at the end of my softball. Oh, I think you have a hardball question. Thank God.

I said I only want a hard one. Okay. Oh, I'm so glad that I'm asking this and not answering. What is, we'll start with Andy because you didn't get to answer one last time. Okay. What is a weakness in your talent that limits your success and, oh no, I'm dyslexic. And okay, hold on. Right.

And which stop, pause and rewind. And which you avoid thinking about because it doesn't feel flexible. So to repeat that, what is a weakness? And so we'll take it clean. This is film. A weakness in my talent. So what is a weakness in your talent? You can't look at this.

My talent. That limits your success and which you avoid thinking about because it doesn't feel flexible. So like not something fixable. Wow. Oh, wow, wow, wow. Um, well, I mean, I have sang in public, but I am not a good singer. And I have been. Give us a note.

Uh. There's no I can only sing Like it can only imitate people That's like how I'm there Yeah that's how I have to sing too That's why like I can't sing But I can do Hugh Jackman

Inley Miss And then I can do Russell Crow You know I can kind of do it Yeah yeah yeah So singing would be one Can I ask a follow-up question then Of course you may Will you sing the Star Spangled banner

Like you're about to throw out a pitch At a baseball game Right now? Yeah Okay At least part of it Well but I mean you don't get to do both You don't get to do both.

You don't get to sing Anthera out of pitch? It's either or. This is a AAA game. Oh, oh, oh, oh, okay. You're a huge guess. They're psyched. Okay, here we go. Oh, say, can you see?

By the dawn's early life. I think we gotta leave it there because I really want people to get to the next ad. What so proudly we hailed. I saw your monologue. You're an anti-American. That's right. So now do I answer that question?

Yeah, you have to answer. Do you want it one more time? Please don't make me ready to. What's a non-mind talent that I don't like to think about because it's not fixable. Like, I can't address it. You can't address it. So why dwell on it? Oh, my God.

That's such a hard thing to think about. Should we bring one of your employees out here and ask them? I don't know if you can hear that's cackling backstage. This is a good question for Hallie. Hallie. Hallie Keeper, everybody. After you. Howie, the hardball question is, what is a flaw in mind talent that we don't,

that I don't like to dwell on because it's not fixable, so why think about it too much? I think, I believe the question is you think it's not fixable, first of all. I would say, I think it's stand-up. I think that there is, you know what I mean? We do this show. I think there's a lot, there's something in you that needs to be on stage. I think that you think it's like a skill that you can't gain, but really it's just reps, but you have decided I can't be, I can't, I don't know whether it's like doing a one-man show.

There's something else on stage for you, but you have decided that it can't happen. And that's as far as my insight has gotten. Does that make sense? How to keep everybody. Absolutely. All right. There's a line forming backstage of people that want to turn. Who else has a flaw in?

Take a number. I have some friends here. They could go. All right, let's spin it again. Pick me, pick me. All right. Hard ball for me. All right, let's see what we got.

All right, Vic, what's a lie you recently told? Pass. What's a lie I recently told? I feel like often it is funnier to be honest about something. And also it's just like, I don't know, I think I'm a pretty honest person, except if I think it's going to hurt somebody's feelings and it's something that they can't change about themselves. You know what I mean?

Then there's no point in telling the truth. Right. So probably something about somebody, somebody asked about something about something about their appearance or something like that and asked just sort of a question and I think I just sort of was like well how do you feel about it and they were like great and then I go then me too

oh nice I think it's a non-answer answer that I feel pretty good about the then though feels like it admits something if you feel great about then I do too but that's not how your feelings actually work Andy when is a time that you lied recently what's a lie you've recently told the last one would be I was asked if I

could do a voiceover session for commercial on Friday and because of the general strike, I said I was unavailable, but I did not say why. I think I said, like, I have something to do with my kid.

Because I just, I didn't want to, like, get into, for some reason, you know, like, I'm, I'm a dirty commie. Right, right. To these captains of industry. Yeah, yeah. All right.

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We're not telling saying who it is But I have a story about the person That you had a story about Is that true? It's a very small interaction But I was introduced to that person At a party

Years and years ago And I wasn't I wasn't like I said Oh please introduce me to this celebrity I didn't care I was not seeking out the conversation I didn't like I walked up to a group of people talking You don't give a shit about that stuff

You're John Lowe it. That's right, Andy Richter. And I was a couple of people I knew and I was introduced in this conversation and the person that was rude to you, I have never seen a person so aggressively look behind me like for someone else to talk to. And I, by the way, my eyes dart. I have, like kind of a mere cat energy and constitution. But this person was such, and just, I've never gotten a worse vibe from somebody so quickly. I wonder if it was the same party, and it's because they were sort of looking at the waffle cone and mac and cheese thing and

well, I'm firing someone tonight. And it was me. Andy, you grew up in Illinois. I did. Vic, you're from New Jersey. Sure. But you're so nice knowing would ever notice. A few days in the Midwest has really softened my edges.

That or I have a debilitating frostbite. Either way, I thought we could. use that Minnesota Nice to give some constructive criticism to people, places, and things that desperately need it this week in a segment we're calling constructive criticism. So here's that works. We're just going to provide some Minnesota nice criticism of something that bugged us this week. I'm going to kick it off. I'm going to talk about the Melania film briefly.

And here's what I want to say to the corporations, the powerful corporations. You know, at least when Tom Homan, who is currently running the show in Minnesota, allegedly took a bribe, he did it surreptitiously in a kava bag, and he hit it. He took the, we don't know what happened with it and whether or not it's an alleged thing that happened. It seems really, sounds like it happened, but we don't know. But he took a bribe, but he clearly wanted nobody to know about it. That shows us at least a little bit of respect. Currently, all across America, there are movie theaters that are empty. They are empty because of a bribe.

Every movie theater that has an empty room where Melania is playing for no one with empty Melania popcorn buckets is part of a bribe. Like, they're not keeping it a secret at all. They're doing popcorn buckets. They are doing popcorn buckets. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my God. And you know, even the people designing them were kind of mad because,

they're not even fun ones. It's just a picture on a popcorn bucket. We could have so much. They're not mad. They're like, oh, okay, sure. There you go. If somebody was having fun, this would have been the top of the popcorn bucket

and the chair and she just sort of would have like folded over under her legs. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, no, for sure. Right. Like, yeah, right, like a sort of a cool and interesting shape. It would have been really fun. They cheats out on the bucket.

No, they said, no, thank you. They spent tens of millions of dollars buying this thing. They're spending tens of millions of dollars marketing this thing. It is for no one because it is a bribe, and the bribe is just in our faces. If you go look for movie times, there's the bribe. You can see it everywhere. And also just one note on the black and white design thing, it's like, God, they have the

worst fucking taste in the world. It's like, oh, wow. Like, I don't know. It's like, like, I guess she's been to the ugliest place in Vegas and got an idea. That's neither here nor there. But to the corporations that are doing this capitulating, could you do it? a little bit less brazenly in our faces. Could you be a little bit more bashful about it?

You're just installing your acolytes at CBS. You're actively putting fake movies in theaters as part of this scheme to gain favor with Trump. Tim Cook is going to the premiere of an Amazon. He's from Apple, a competing streaming service, going to the premiere at the White House for an Amazon movie. It's all just so in our faces. Is that true? Yes.

I'll be a little bit embarrassed about it. And then clearly he felt embarrassed. about it. So he put out a statement and the statement's like, uh, yeah, I told him. It's like, did you, Tim? Did you tell him? And look, I don't, I got a new iPhone recently because my old one, um, kept... You don't need a reason. You got a new iPhone. You deserve it, honey. You're right. I just bought it because I wanted it. And we all over cracked. Um, but so on the new iPhone, there's a button on the side that if you hold it, I think sometimes becomes the camera only sometimes.

There's another button on the side. I don't know what that one does, but it does different things if you hold it and if you tap it. You can change the settings, but it's deeply baffling how and you never know what setting you've turned on. I have multiple devices that are all midnight blue, but they're all different midnight blues. And all I'm saying is if Steve Jobs hadn't decided to treat cancer with bone broth,

maybe we'd have a different kind of leadership at Apple. So bone broth is the enemy. that's right yeah I would have had a little bit of your hip in it I think you would have been okay Andy you there was something that wait did you have

yeah Christy no you want to talk with Christy no yeah yeah just specifically because I heard her say I just saw something today where she said something about how everything I've done was at the bidding of the president and Stephen Miller

which is the beginning of the end, hon. Like, you should know, and I do feel like because she's from one of the Dakotas, I can't remember which. That's very close to Minnesota. She's got to be used to be talked to like this. Making your face look like every other woman at Mar-a-Lago is not going to prevent him from blaming everything on you.

The only exercise this man gets is throwing people under buses. and you are next in line, so you better just start now with the mea culpa's and the blaming those guys. Yeah, I think that's right. Well, also I just would say that this is a picture

where she's pointing a gun at someone by mistake. And if you watch the video of this, the guy is so uncomfortable because it's like, this is not how you're supposed to hold it. Yeah, yeah. And like, why does she have a gun?

She's the... Well, she thought he was a dog, is the problem. Yeah. She's the secretary of Homeland. and security. Her job is meetings. And all of these things, like, look at all the stuff on their gun. Like, it's like, there's, like, there's like a hot dog warmer on it or something. Like, all these different tubes and all of them have these, like, like, what is in all these pockets?

What do you guys need? Yeah, the NRA said no gun control, but you could have a hot dog warmer extension on there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, I did like that statement. Like, everything I did, I did because the president's even, Miller told me. It's like, hmm, is that a statement you're making now or at a tribunal in five years? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, oh, you were just following orders? Where have I heard that before? I'm workshopped. Workshopping it for the Hague. Yeah. Vick, you wanted to talk about a coyote.

Yeah. Okay. So, finally. Do we have a, here we go. Hey, little guy. So this, this guy swam to Alcatraz and was eating birds and then was so and just was so full on birds and so this really isn't a note for him I think he did an A plus job sort of like you know if you're searching for food that's kind of perseverance and made it work

and made it happen. Let's get those birds in iPad. We can't be so trusting you know what I mean? They got to have a little bit of education I think I think I want them on YouTube I want them watching video essays sort of about how the world works because we're sitting ducks and I think we can be educated dogs. You know what I mean? I think that's smart because I do think if you're a bird on

Alcatraz, you have it pretty good. You have it so good. Just buses and buses of kids coming through dropping food on the ground. Dropping crackers and hot dog buns. You get lazy. You get lazy. Yeah. Your guard goes down. And next thing you know, there's a coyote from the mainland. And you're going up to it and they're like, hey. Here's a thing too. But yeah, like the dodoes, like the dodoes that would run up to the to the to the people off the boats of being like, what's up and be like, mistake, I'm terrible. Yeah. I'm going to kill all of you and everyone that ever knew you.

Yeah. And here's the thing I was thinking when I saw that a coyote had swam, swam to Alcatraz. I thought it was too hard to do that and that everybody who tried that died. Died going the other way. Yeah, because I thought Clint East would died when he swam from Alcatraz. But it seems like if a coyote could do it, why can't Clint East would do it? I feel like that has to be a tale that just, because have you been to the Bay Area? it doesn't look that far.

And so here's my thought is that anytime a prisoner would escape, they were just like, died. He died. He died, I don't know, and just try and stop other people from doing it, but it was just, you know,

it mostly was just pretty easy and completely. I think there were, I think, I seem to, I mean, I remember reading about it years ago, and I think there were some people that made it,

but they, like, got nabbed immediately. Like, I don't think anybody made it the swim and then really sort of disappeared into the vapor. Here's the plan, though, swim straight back to shore. You got to swim long ways. I think that's about riptides.

Huh? What? Okay. And that's constructive criticism. Yeah. Yay. And everybody should catch Andy on Dancing with the Stars. There's a tour? There's a tour. You're going on tour? I'm going on tour. I'm going from

the middle of February to the beginning of March and then the middle of April to the second weekend. You're seeing the Star Spangled Banner before get started. I am. That's the first 15 minutes of the show because I scat a lot. No, but I'm going to be emceeing with my former dance partner,

Emma, maybe doing a little bit of dancing too. I'm not exactly sure yet. I'm excited. I'm excited for you to get out there, get you greased up and out there. Yeah, yeah. Hey, let's grease up Andy Richter getting dancing out there. It is, it is a grueling tour. It is like they're doing like 97

dates. Wow. Yeah. Are you going to do all of them? No, no, no. I'm only doing like a total of about five weeks. That's cool. In two different chunks. But yeah, but it's on a bus. It is not, you know, it's a nice bus, but it's a bus. And you watch Vic on ponies, which is streaming now on Peacock. Peacock has ponies. That's true. And Vic has very important people on Dropout TV. And you can listen to three questions with Annie Richter wherever you get your podcasts. When we come back, We have a few second thoughts. Okay. Hey, don't go anywhere.

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Yeah. What's funny about kitchens? Well, yeah. And then we couldn't sort of figure out where we'd be out was we just kept talking about kitchens, kind of like right now where we sort of were like, do we move on? Do we keep on it? Yeah. that. Now, the producers are wondering if we should have

second thoughts about the detail play-by-play on the hip surgery. Don't agree. I loved every second of it. I thought that was good content. You, pansies. I, let's see. Oh, I did set myself up for a burn by Andy in the second, in the part of that celebrity, because maybe I just wasn't remembered. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that felt bad. That was tough biggest laugh of the night. Did it feel that bad? No, I could take it. You know I love you. I could take it. I'm here. He's here. Yeah. I thought it

was a loving, kind thing. It was fun. It was a joshing. My love language is leaving the house for you. Oh, that's beautiful. Like, I do not do that for people that I don't love. And for me, I'm there even if I'm not invited. I'm at the door. I'm knocking.

I'm hoping somebody will open and I'm sitting down for dinner. My love language is acts of service. Okay. Hmm. Oh. Oh, one second thought of. have is I struggled to commit to the Minnesota nice style of criticism. I just kind of

criticized people. Yeah, you did. I really forgot to be constructive. We did spend a lot of time backstage going, are we doing accents for this? And they were sort of like, yes, John for sure is going to do an accent. He's really excited about it. Yeah, and I didn't. And you were workshopping the accent we heard, too. Well, I did workshop it a little bit, but

then everybody said it sounded like I was making fun of Minnesota at a bad time. Can we hear one line? Is that crazy? Oh, I don't know. No, cutting it was good. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. That was it. That was all. Oh, I don't know if I could say anything to the governor. I don't see, it's not anything. This is why I have a second thought about doing that.

Yeah. Do you have any second thoughts about the show, Vic? Just sort of in general. Yeah. So I was here a couple of weeks ago and I stole mugs from your show. You have mugs backstage that just sort of live back there. And as a bit, we were all sort of bringing stuff on stage when we were getting introduced. And so I had two of your mugs.

And I wish we had mugs here that I could hand out to the audience right now. So sort of as sort of a second thing. thought for a different show that I was on. I'm related to this one. Ah, yes, we do. Can I hand out all of them? Is that crazy? I only had two last time and there's like nine.

There's one for every one. You should also include that you handed them out and that the house. So I did hand them out and then somebody in the booth, shout out to the booth, said, you absolutely cannot take those. John's going to scream at me. Yeah, if you think the person we were talking about is bad, wait to see what I'm like back there. About your mugs.

Yeah. Okay, so can I, can I get these to people? Okay. Wow. Whoa, here we go. Okay, I love this. And they're in the packaging, which is nice. They weren't in the packaging last time.

Okay, who wants one? Okay, give me one compliment. I'm amazing. I'll take it. There we go. We have another one who's got a good compliment. Love my height? No.

You love my jeans better. I'll give you another shot. You can't do the same one. You can't say jeans also. Say something about my personality. Okay, we'll take it. There we go. We have a few more.

Yeah. Cool from being from New Jersey. I live there for less. Say it with me. Eight months. I love that. We have one more up front here because then I can make my way back to my seat. One compliment for me.

I'll take a lie. Andy Richter catching astray. whatever. You better wash those fucking things. Now that the mugs are gone, people are saying, I love Andy. First of all,

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