Lovett or Leave It - A Worm Welcome

Episode Date: June 13, 2026

Trump loves inflation, Texas hates screwworms, a new book reveals how much the White House was consumed by the Epstein Files. This week, Jerry O’Connell jumps between dimensions to talk Rob Reiner, reality TV and, of course, Sliders. Jay Pharaoh stops by to do some impressions with his good friends, Barack Obama and Denzel Washington. Plus Zach Zucker is down to clown... and play music without headphones.

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Zach Zucker is here. But first, let's get into it. What a week. On Tuesday night, Trump said we were on the verge of a deal to finally end the war in Iran. We're in the final throws of what will be a very, very good deal, and that it's straight will open up right away. It'll open up immediately upon signing, which could be in two or three days. Two or three days? Why, it's been two or three days. Let's check in and see if our big boy was right. The U.S. attacking Iran. Iran now retaliating, a dangerous escalation in the war that's,

now on day 102. Oh, so we weren't two or three days away from a deal at all. I haven't been this shock since the time I asked the cast of Real Housewives of Rhode Island to come to my nephew's recital as long as they promised to sit quietly and not get drunk and call each other hoars.

On Thursday, President Trump called into Fox and friends to discuss the latest strikes. And they're getting decimated, just decimated and they're dying to make a deal. They want to make a deal so badly. But, you know, you read the New York Times and you read the the Wall Street Journal, which is so fake.

I mean, I know you guys own it, but it's a real piece of garbage. Sometimes he's funny. What are you going to do? Trump talks about Iran, the way your delusional friend talks about her non-existent relationship. So, how are things going with Jeff? He's obsessed with me and said he cannot wait to hang out after he gets the reward season. The president went on to say this. Not hitting him harder enough. We dropped $250 million worth of bombs on him last night.

You know, the whole thing is crazy. And they're really in submission. They just don't know it yet. $250 million bomb. What did he drop on Iran? The Mandalorian and Grogu? Speaking of not working, new Labor Department data released Wednesday found that inflation hit a three-year high of 4.2%.

Do you miss me yet, said Joe Biden, his robe wide open? Trump, however, isn't worried. Sir, Mr. President, about the latest inflation number which came out this morning. Could that be a... No, I love it. The numbers were right. I love the inflation. So, he runs to stop inflation, then personally causes prices to spike through tariffs

in the war. Then he says he loves inflation. Like if you insisted on replacing your own septic tank instead of hiring professionals and then telling everyone in your life that you actually love the smell of raw sewage. Trump also revealed there was a secret mission. You know, I can say it now. Something you didn't know. You know we've been taking out millions of barrels of oil. Nobody knows it. You know who doesn't know about it? Iran until right now.

Shh, Mr. President, that was a dream you had at the next game. This is, of course, not true. You can't secretly move oil tankers through the Strait of Hormuz because they're giant fucking oil tankers that you can see from the shoreline. Trump leader posted that this daring. heist was successful because, quote, the United States of America controls the Strait of Hormuz, not Iran, their military is defeated and their economy is lost. It's over for Iran. Say it again but slower, said Lindsay Graham, soaked head to toe in crude oil. Speaking of terrible mental images, journalists Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan published an

excerpt from their upcoming book detailing the Trump White House's internal deliberations over the Epstein files last summer. to the report, J.D. Vance, Cash Patel, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, comedian Burke Kreischer for some reason, and Trump's chief of staff, Susie Wiles, convened in the White House Situation Room to strategize a response. There was no Burke Kreischer. He was not there. I'd just say, if you're worried, if you like Burke Kreisher, he wasn't in the secret White House deliberations over the Epstein files. I made that up. Trump refused to entertain any plan to release the files, said Trump, we just have to treat the

this story like a teenage girl and wait six months for it to get old and boring. Everybody okay over there? All right. According to the excerpt in the Times, Vance suggested that Tucker Carlson interviewed Galane Maxwell in prison. It's an amazing idea. I love it. I am furious it didn't happen. This is like when you find out that we almost had a Superman with Nicholas Cage. It wouldn't have been good. It would have been a disaster, but it still exists. Dan Bongino, who was then FBI deputy director, tore into Attorney General Pam Bondi over the fiasco saying,

you fuck this thing up from the start, that dumb fucking charade with the Epstein files, the there on my desk nonsense, Bonino told the White House that Bondi needed to resign and called the Epstein saga Trump's Iran Contra. This was, of course, last year before Iran became Trump's Iran contra. In the report's creepiest passage during yet another meeting in the White House situation,

a senior aide described an unsealed civil suit, which described an accuser's allegation about, and I am sorry, Trump aggressively flicking and sucking a young woman's nipples until they looked incredibly painful. The meeting abruptly ended because everyone puked and shat and died. In other disgusting little worm news, Texas has seen an outbreak of disgusting little worms.

Yes, screw worms eradicated in this country since the 1960s are back, but don't let them. But don't let the name scare you. So-called screw worms are actually nothing more than flesh-eating bugs that lay eggs and open wounds and in the eyes, ears, nose, mouth, or genitals, hatching into parasitic maggots that burrow into the living tissue of livestock, pets, and human beings. Said RFK Jr., yum!

Last year, Doge cut funding for screw worm monitoring programs and over a thousand employees from USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service. Trump administration also lifted a suspension of Mexican cattle imports, allowing livestock into the country without monitoring that had been in place. The Trump administration is, of course, blaming Joe Biden and immigrants. Here's Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins. Now, this does trace back to the last administration and the open border policy and the movement of millions of people and their animals up through from South America, through Central America. So let's just understand what she's suggesting here. These dastardly woke screwworms snuck into the country under Joe Biden,

and then they just hid, waiting almost two years to start attacking cattle in order to make Trump look bad. Texas Agricultural Commissioner, so fucking stupid. I'm sorry, but he's been president for two years. They're bugs. We all have dealt with bugs. If you have bugs, you don't say, God damn it, that. gardener three years ago really fucked up. We all know how fucking bugs work. It's quick with bugs. Texas Agricultural Commissioner Sid Miller slammed the administration from moving too

slowly and said that you can look for higher beef prices because of the failure of the USDA to control this pest. Now, before I tell you, if Sid Miller is a Democrat or a Republican, I'm going to show you a picture of this man and you'll guess. What do we think? Do we think he voted for Kamala or Trump? So hard to know. Imagine if this were your dad and you had to tell him you were yay and that you wanted to borrow his fabulous vest.

Now, in response, Brooke Rollins slammed Miller, who is a Republican, and called him, quote, an unsurious ad commissioner with just a few months left, because he, like all of us, will soon be food for the screw worms. Now, as of this recording, there are seven confirmed screwworm cases in the U.S., including one dog in New Mexico. Thanks for stepping in to kill that dog infected with screwworm, Christy Noem.

Said Christy Noam, the dog had what now? But not to worry. Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley is on the case. Here he is questioning Rollins on Wednesday. It's been a couple months, maybe three months, since I talked to you about. about vaccination for screw worms. We talked about it and you were going to look into it. So what's the chances of use of vaccination to get us beyond it?

Right. So the screw worm is a flesh-eating pest and not a virus or a disease. Chuck, we don't have vaccines for things you can hold in your hand. You represent a farm state. Vaccine for bugs, that's a hammer. And besides, we're not going to. solve this thing by giving cows autism. On Thursday, Rollins unveiled

her new plan. Department of Homeland Security, we talked yesterday about using their drones and perhaps it threw very quick innovation having an artificial intelligence piece of this, where you put AI on the drones that they can fly across all of our millions of acres

of wildlife in this state. When reached for comment, the AI drone said, you're right to push back. Those weren't Yorkshire pigs with screw worm. That was a Bucky's parking lot after a Texas A&M game. My apologies for the confusion. If you'd like, I can generate a list of local funeral homes. Imagine it's 2024. Brat summer. You suddenly find yourself transported to 2026. And you find out that the Trump administration is planning to deploy AI drones to fight the flesh-eating worms. Then whoosh, you're back in

2024. Do you tell anyone or do you just kill yourself? Well, you made your decision, and in Maine they made theirs. Graham Platner won the Democratic primary and addressed the controversy surrounding his candidacy. If you believe, as I do, that we can change our politics and change our country, then you must also believe that people can change. And the reason I believe that is because I have lived it. And the reason that I have lived it is because of my wife. Which is why I am proud to reveal my new tattoo,

my beautiful wife doing a Heil Hitler in tasteful blackface. Platner also previewed his attacks against Susan Collins. She has become just as spineless and corrupt as the establishment she now serves. She got elected, promising to protect Roe versus Wade. Only to turn around and put on a justice, put a justice to Supreme Court, who overturned it. She lied to us. Which is why I am proud to reveal my other new tattoo, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, doing a Heil Hitler in tasteful blackface. Meanwhile, in South Carolina, Congresswoman Nancy Mace finished fifth in her state's gubernatorial primary, failing to advance to the runoff.

For her part, Delaware Congresswoman Sarah McBride had this message for her erstwhile antagonist during a speech to gay out. advocates. I don't like punching down and I believe in the politics of grace. So all I will say is happy pride, Nancy. Revealing a truth Nancy Mace couldn't find in her policing of every women's room in Capitol Hill, Sarah McBride is serving cunt. All right. And we have got a great show for you tonight.

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Hi, nice to meet you. Thanks for being here. What an honor to be here. Oh man, just trying not to get screw worm this summer. Got it. Hey, listen. Is there any prevention? Can we use, like, bug spray or anything, or? I think that only excites them. Also, waiting for that straight of Hormuz to open up. Like, this summer's just, like, I'm just so anxious so far.

Yeah. Yeah, we got the straight of Horm-We, we got not enough action on the straight-of-hormuz. Too much screw-worm action. It is funny. I am on Strait of Hormuz watch. I wake up in the morning. I do personal business. I'm older, so I have to go do personal business immediately. And I check to see if that straight opened up. And here we are. Another day, the straight's not open up.

Yeah, it's a bummer about that. So you're watching Real Housewives? I have not started watching Rhode Island yet. I'm so sorry. I hear, I know. Oh, my God. It feels, you know, it's because they all already, it's, you're back in a world where it feels like they have been fighting

since long before the camera showed up. So it is crazy that we do like. our housewives to be volatile with each other. No one here condones violence. Like, not at all. Just want to say, love it or leave it, does not condone violence. Thank you. Except if it's in the form of housewives. I do hear that the real housewives of Rhode Island gets back to just jealous fighting.

It's not about like selling like products. It's just about like people like getting upset with their neighbors, which is what we look for. I will say I am coming off of the whole summer house thing, which is on Bravo, if those don't know it's a group of people who've been getting sort of a share, a summer share, and there was a big controversy about people hooking up with people. I've been a little quiet about that because there was a big controversy that happened where one of the housemates who was married, who was no longer married, hooked up with another male housemate, and the young lady who hooked up with the other housemate. I know everyone's confused right now. I'm so sorry we should probably

a lot of people tuned in to talk about politics and now they're talking about this. I'm so sorry. I did take the side of the two people who hooked up because I felt like, I felt like especially the young lady, Amanda Batula, is her name, was looking for, just looking for a relationship. And I felt bad for her. And that's going to, you're going to get a bunch of comments calling me a monster after saying that. How could you say that? I know. With everything that's going on. But I should be talking more about my movie on To be Summers.

To be Summers last resort. Summer's Last Resort. I'm not getting paid for at all. Summer's Last Resort. Very good title. Summer's Last Resort. It's a puzzle of a title. Yeah, it's a really good title.

Emily, our writer, came up with a really fun time. I mean, I'm not even kidding. It's so funny. When I tell people I'm in a movie called Summer's Last Resort, they're like, well, like Hollywood types are like, good title. But I play a stepfather who's trying to befriend my new, teenage stepchildren and

we go on a vacation and I'm trying to marry Sophia Bush, my co-star, beautiful young lady, great actress. We had a lot of fun together. We shot in hotels so it really wasn't work. I imagine it's what like White Lotus is like like you just live in a hotel and they're like,

all right, wake up, you got to go to work and it's like, yeah, I'm at the pool already, just roll camera. Mike Wyatt is genius. He's like, I have an idea. We're going to go to the nicest resorts on planet Earth for six months at a time. What incredible. I know, and it's such a great show as well. So good.

But this is a little more family-friendly summer's last resort. It's not like the... The gays are trying to kill me kind of thing, from the White Lotus. It's not like, yeah, graphic sex. That's too bad. It's not like the graphic sex from like White Lotus. Remember when the nephew is with the uncle in the bedroom? and yeah there was graphic sex

oral sex yeah all kinds of stuff happens on that show but not in your movie no and by the way I'm sorry to be if we're even affiliated with that it is a family movie it's just love it or leave it as a little racier so I was getting a little racy there

you can say whatever it's a really fun family movie and you know what I'm actually going to get serious for a second we have a big star in Summer's Last Reservoir named Violet McGraw, who is a young actress. I believe she's 15. And she's so good. And I want to say, I want to get serious for a moment.

I was a child actor. I was in Stand By Me. Yeah. Thank you. I was kind of expecting a larger applause for that. I was a child actor. I was in a little movie called Stand By Me. Thank you. Wow, thank you. This is great. Amazing.

That's beautiful. Almost too much. But Rob Reiner, God rest his soul, recently passed away and his wife, wife Michelle, and it made me very reflective about what Rob Reiner did for me, like in terms of being in the entertainment industry, what is expected of me as a performer, what I'm good at, who I am, not to be afraid to me, make jokes, like to go for it. Like, you, if you want to make a joke about a screw worm,

go, like, try it. Like, just get crazy. Go for it. And I, I, I, this is the first, summer's last resort on Tooby, coming out this summer, um, was the first project I did since Rob Reiner passed. And I was working with this young cast member, Violet McGraw. And I was like, I'm going to try and instill in her what Rob instilled in me. And like, we had a,

really fun time. I really have like, I, I, um, since Rob's passing, I really have like a different role on sets, you know? I don't know if it's getting older. Um, I just have like, like I enjoy working with younger people and, um, uh, sort of passing on what, what Rob really passed on to me in Stand By Me. Sorry to get so serious, everybody. No, it's nice. What do you, what do you feel like as someone who, there's a lot of people that started acting at a young age, and it is brutal and cruel, and they don't make it out, right? It fucks them up for a long time and they struggle. What do you have advice you give to a young person on set?

Do you have lessons that you think young actors need to know that the parents of young actors should know? Yeah, I mean, you know, I was in a little movie called Stand By Me. Yeah, audiences always do that, man. It's crazy. And my parents, when it came out and it was really successful, I was fortunate enough that my success in Stand By Me had didn't change how they were going to raise me as a child. I don't know if that makes any sense.

I think you see a lot of younger actors if they find success because they're good because they have that thing, you know? And I was fortunate enough to be with Rob Reiner, who literally, like, day one was like, hey, Jerry, go crazy in this scene. Like, go crazy, and I'll tell you when to come down. And it taught me to, when I come out on stage,

to perform, you know? And, like, someone will tell you, like, I mean, Mr. L, you'll tell me when to take it down a notch, right? I mean, I could, I won't. But my parents, my success in stand by me, our family didn't revolve around that. My mom's a teacher, my dad worked in an office, and I went to college.

You know, education was the most important thing to my parents. And then when I was an adult, I realized I want to pursue this. Like, I am good at it, depending on what comments you read on Reddit. And also, I've had some. a head start being in standby me. You know, if I walk into a casting room, people are like, oh yeah, you were in that movie. And so I was fortunate enough to not have parents who,

so I can't blame the kids and like their decisions. I think it has a lot to do with their parents and sort of the world that they put them in. Tell me when the show starts. Yeah, once we get the cameras in position, we're gonna hit it up, we're gonna get going. Now, I do wanna ask you about a show that I loved, which was Sliders.

And it's funny, we were talking about this, because you were coming on the show, that there's a lot of people now that say something like, oh, once Trump got elected, we slid into the wrong timeline. The Marvel universe is all about different universes now. Like, we live in a post-sliders world, I'm often saying. All right, let me just explain for the 99.99%

who have no idea what you're talking about. Didn't realize you were such a sci-fi nerd, Mr. L. But I was in a TV show called Sliders in the Mid-90s on Fox. And it was about a group of strangers who slide to parallel dimensions of Earth. And they're trapped just going from one parallel Earth to the next with slight tweaks. By the way, this is pretty incredible. You can look it up in 1995. we do an episode where Donald Trump is president of the United States.

Yeah, look it up. What? I don't remember that. Look it up. I remember the one with the Golden Gate Bridge was blue. That was one. And I think you guys should have stayed there. It was close enough. I believe the episode where Donald Trump was president of the United States,

we quickly slid to another world. I'm not saying why we slid or not. That was our choice. But the next world we went to, this is not a joke. Look it up. I may be a little bit wrong, but Hillary Clinton was the president in the other world. This is in the mid-90s. I'm not joking. That was our writers. Our writer who created a Tracy Tourmet used to come up with these really cool, like parallel universes and just, he was very politically minded and really smart.

What if he was a time traveler who had slid? People are freaking out about sliders here. They're loving it. Yeah, but it was a multiverse show and it was before like the Marvel universe does all the multiverse stuff. It's occasionally, very rarely, someone will come up to me and be like, dude, you're the multiverse guy. I really feel like I'm the only, you, like the three of us, this gentleman right here. That's like it. It's time for a game. We're calling. Hope you have the timeline of your life. Here's how it's going to work. Okay. I'm going to give you two Earth timelines and you're going to pick the one you'd rather live in. Okay. These are Sliders timeline. These are inspired by sliders. First up, a universe where we have universal basic income, but we also

have giant carnivorous sandworms like the movie Tremors, or a universe where we've eradicated malaria, but Jeffrey Epstein is the president. Oh gosh. Oh, gosh. Oh, God. You're in a 20-year binding contract to host the talk. The talk was a daytime

show I hosted for five or six seasons. Love everybody who was a part of it. Thank you so much. It was a good time. Anything with Epstein has got to go. I'm going to choose the sandworms, the universal, the universal income. Good choice, good choice.

You can't. Wow, that Epstein stuff, just way to turn me off. Wow. Sorry. I would have loved that talk money for a few more years, but you had to throw Epstein's photo up there. That's what makes it a complicated thing. A universe where Hillary Clinton won the 2016 election, but all food tastes like peeps. Or a universe where Hillary Clinton won the 2016 election, but once a day at a random time, you, Jerry O'Connell, shit your pants and the paparazzi follow you constantly.

until it happens that day because it's like part of our national culture. Well, I mean, wait, what's the, what was the thing with the peeps who? And for everyone on earth, all food tastes like peeps all the time. Oh, yeah, I'll take that. Peeps are incredible. So you're telling me, but what, but listen to what you've just chosen. You have said that you want to consign all human beings on earth to only basically taste peeps forever. Or you can make a sacrifice and just shit yourself at a random time once a day.

then food is great. But now nobody will know about the peeps part of it. All right. You know what? Let me switch my answer. I'll do the shitting my pants. I just think just like sort of, it's like almost like. I don't care.

You see what I'm saying? Just like, don't make fun of me, guys. No, I did it for the greater good. Yeah, I did it for the greater good. You better to be cool about it. Next up, a universe where you are married to your Sleider's co-star, John Reese Davies, but he's cheating on you with your brother, Charlie O'Connell.

Or a universe where you and John Reese Davies are blissfully married, but the world is also populated. with cyborg terminators that look just like John Reese Davies. I don't know. I'm sort of like I'm a modern love kind of guy. I wouldn't mind. Like my brother, myself and John Reese Davies are in like three. No, I'm not, I don't have to have sex with my brother.

No, it could be at separate times for sure. Yeah, I don't have sex with my brother. That's like getting weird. But yeah, I'm okay with John and my brother. Yeah, okay, wow. That's a one of open, yeah. I'm open-minded, I'm cool, man. Yeah, it's fine.

You're not gonna be jealous. Come on, Mr. L, you know, I'm cool. I'm loose. Mr. L. A universe where Palantir... Hold on a second. Remember when Billy D. Williams had to rescind saying he was sexually fluid? Remember someone asked him if... Someone asked Billy D. Williams if he was fluid. And he was like, yeah, fluid. Yeah, fluid. Everybody's fluid. And then someone explained him what it meant. And he was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not, no, no, no. It's like, that just made me think of me going, oh, man, cool. I was about to say fluid, but I was like, no, no, no, no, no.

A universe where Palantir has turned the entire world into one cop-style reality TV show, and everyone loves you on it, you're like the breakout star. Or a universe where we have a food replicator like in Star Trek, but Rebecca Romaine only knows you as that annoying guy she met one time who did push-ups to impress her at the 2004 Maxim Hot 100 Party in Las Vegas. Okay, okay. Okay, you know what? I think I'm going to be happy that I don't know what...

I think I'm going to be happy about this. I don't know what Palantir is. Oh, it's like a big tech kind of surveillance company. See? I'm so glad I don't know what that is. Oh, no. Oh, no, maybe I should know what it is so that I know that I'm being like watched by electric eyes.

Yeah, it's like that. Yeah, it's like that. Like private eyes are watching you. Yeah, I'm not into that. I'm going to choose anything with my wife. I love my wife. Great. We just had somebody to eat.

I love her. Yeah. But that's how you met, right? You were doing push-ups and sort of an event? I wasn't doing push-ups. We met at a... Your audience is so young. They're not going to know what this is.

Maxim Hot 100 party. It was... Maxim was a magazine with, like, hot people on... It wasn't Playboy, sir. It wasn't... Shame on you. You know that that's not true.

One purve in the audience is like, Playboy, Playboy. It was a lad mag at a time. It was with Maxim and stuff, and it was called a lad mag, and it had articles in it, but also babes and so forth. and it was fine.

It was like gadgets and, um... Moobies. Thank you, Geracconnell. Hey, thank you so much. His new movie, Summer's Last Resort, is on TV this summer. We'll be right back. He's gonna stick around.

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I cookunity.com slash lolly. Please welcome to the stage comedian, actor, musician, and the real Barack Obama. It's Jay Farrow. Good to see it. Welcome back. Good to see you again. Come on. Right there. Right there. Yeah, that's great. All right. Hi. Yeah. What's up? Hi. What's happening? Good to see you. Good to see you, too. So you have a new album on Friday.

And it's called the Odyssey. Yes. And now, is it, it's on, and you know that there's like a, you know about the other, you know there's another Odyssey. Yeah, but, you know, they plagiarized. Oh. Yeah, and the reason I say that is because actually, we created this two years ago. We're just putting it out now.

So, yeah, Christopher Nolan stole from us, you know. Yeah, it ain't the same thing. You're not going to see no Greek mythology monsters and no half-naked white men running around. There's none of that, you know what I'm saying? This is all going to be, this is all music. It's Jay Farrow in another type of dimension, but the same type of core values, you feel me? Yeah, because, I mean, yeah, okay.

All right, so, because this guy had all the power in the world. He was, he was on a mission to find another planet, so because Earth is like, Earth is trash. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? This is later. And yeah, he gets all this power, and, And he gets all this money and he saves these folks and he realizes that having all of that means nothing unless you have love, man.

And he finds love. And that is the greatest theme, you know. And the greatest gift that you could do is give everything back because you can't take any of it with you, you know. So, yeah. I disagree. You disagree. No, no. For me, you have to get as much as you can.

climb the greasy pole, get to the top, and then just behold. Go to the parties, go to the ditty parties. Yeah, but it's all about the parties. Yeah. It has to get, now it needs to be loud, because otherwise thoughts. Yeah, right. You got to keep it loud.

Keep it loud, otherwise thoughts. But as long as you don't let your thoughts in, success. Loud and, loud and slippery. Yeah. Slippery loud, wet, loud, slippery. Wet, loud, and slippery. Like this.

Yeah, that's what life should feel like. Yeah. Like, look, some people are freaked out. Yeah, that impression. That was spot on. I'm not going to explain what I just impersonated, but it was spot on, you know, for the people who follow me right now. Yeah. Yeah.

It's good to see it. It's good to see you, too. You know what, man, I love talking like myself because I'm funny as me, you know, like, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of cool to just be able to kick it and just, you know, y'all don't know whether I'm doing a character, but I promise. This is my real voice. But do you... Yeah. Is it weird being yourself now?

No. It's like you got to hide behind people for a long time. I did. I did. But you know what, man? I'm 38, dog. Yeah, it's about time to... Yeah, that's right. Clap for the millennials. Yeah, that's right. We could write cursive. Yeah. There we go. That's what we got. The cue is weirder than you think. Remember that cue?

Yeah. Why is it a two? What are we doing here? It's basically a two? What are we doing here? You know what, man? We had to do home row keys and all of that. Yeah. Yeah, we survived school lunches. You remember? Because school lunches were bad for us. They gave us that spoiled chocolate pet milk. Yeah. And then they gave us the rectangle pieces of pizza with the cute pepperonies and that little orange crusts at the bottom. Yeah. Nobody told you what the crust was. You just ate it. You were a kid. Your body's great. You know. You're You're not going to die. You're not going to die yet.

No. And then, you know, who had to take the physical fitness test? You remember that? Yeah. Whether you was, whether you was fat or skinny, yeah. It was a lot of boys, little boys running around flapping breasts, you know? Like, yeah. I was one of them.

Yeah, yeah. Mine were flapping. All my friends was like, yo, dog, I ain't know you was so thick. I said, I don't know why you looking at me like that. And yeah, that was really weird. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we had to do that. You know what I mean?

So yeah, good. I remember, it's such a crazy thing to make kids, hey, once a year on a random Tuesday, you're going to have to run a mile in front of everyone. We don't prepare you for this. We don't tell you. And basically, we're just going to find out who's first and who's last. And the kids that are first, they're going to wait for you to finish.

That was terrible for me. It was terrible for you. Terrible. It was terrible for us. This is bad for us. We grew up. I remember we were picking teams for something. Yeah.

And it was me and this other little boy, and he had thick glasses and played the clarinet, and I was me. Wow. And it came down to just the two of us about who was going to be picked last. And when he looked at me and saw that it was just me and him, he burst out crying. And I'm like, why are you crying? I'm consoling him because he's so sad to be at my level. Yeah.

And I was like, why are you crying? This was always how it was going to be. Hey, hey, look, man, Chuckie Fester wasn't having it. You know what I'm saying? He didn't like what was going on, man. You got picked last, too? I did, too, but only because I was built like my sister at the time. Were you chubby as a kid?

Yeah, I was chubby. I had hips, you know, and you know what? Still to this day, you know, they still, when I do the squats, I'd be a little weary. You know what I'd be like? I'll be like, yo, if I keep going, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to be a fatty girl. You know what I'm saying? Jerry was chubby as a kid.

You were chubby? I was, I was husky. I wasn't. Yeah. But his character and stand by me was just 40 years. Yeah. Wow. So Jerry.

He represented the husky. Yeah, there was a, you remember there was a section in the Montgomery Awards for Husky folks. Remember that? You know, Husky is just a way of people calling you thick politely because it, it just, there's not like, You ain't going to walk into a party. You're just, son. I'm husk. Nah, nobody's going to do that.

You know? You're fat. You're fat, sir. You know, your grandmother, your grandmother has tried to pacify you because, but, you know, beside her church members, she's talking about you. You know, she, you know, they talk about your hips and, you know, they talk, wow. I wish I had them hips or your grandson. It's really wild.

But you're also doing music. Yes, I'm doing music. Back to the album. Yes. So Anderson Park. Think about Anderson Park. Think about Outkats. and think about Childish Gambino, it's in that vein.

It's in that genre. It's funk rap. You know what I'm saying? Hey, I'm not clapping nobody, talking about shooting people. That's not me. I'd rather talk about something happy. Like, you know, hey, save us some money. Or, you know, getting a free coupon to get some food and pop-pahs.

Something like that. You know what's something like? I find, because I'm struggling a little bit lately because I've said this in the past, which is I hope never, I'm just thinking about it. Am I looking too far? Okay. That's where the thought is.

You're here, you're here. My thoughts up there, so I gotta go find it, get it down and bring it to us. Such a good actor, I would have thought Nicholas Cage was up there, and he was just gonna drop down with some angel wings. You are so dope, John. You know, like that.

Something, you know, I had to give you one. I mean, come on. All right, here we go. Sorry, go ahead, John. What I was gonna say is, I was a very unhappy person for a very long time. And I used to say that for me, politics wasn't about hope. I don't really care about hope.

I'm glad you have it, or if it's important and motivating to other people. Obama gave people hope. That was great. Got people to come out and vote and do the right thing. But I was motivated by anger and rage. That was what got me. I was like, I'm mad.

And now I'm a happy person. And I'm like, wait, I'm not as mad as I used to be. So now I have to figure out how to be motivated by happier things. Right. And I feel like you're doing an album about kind of figuring out what it is to be happy. Yes.

And after you've been through the kind of grind of SNL and what that does to you? The grinder of SNL, the fame that comes from being popular on that show, and also just the, man, just the accessibility that you have as somebody who is young in Hollywood with, you know, women, with freaking, you know, drugs, if you want, anything that you want. and being able to realize that, no, those things will never make you happy. And one of my friends had a famous quote. It said, if you stand for nothing, you'll fall for everything.

You know what I mean? Or is that maybe that ain't her quote because somebody said it in the crowd. I think it's the kind of thing that on like brainy quotes that's attributed to Gandhi or Lincoln. Okay. So it could be whoever you want is what I'm saying. Yeah. Well, okay. so it could be whoever, whatever I want.

So, all right, I heard it. I thought she created it, but maybe she didn't. And she ain't as thoughtful as I thought she was, you know? Which is cool, which is cool. But it's a good, it's a good quote. If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything. Or is it everything? Anything, right?

Everything? Everything? See, she knows. She wrote it. Anything. You know what I'm saying? So being able to go through that journey with this project, and in my life as a parallel has been beautiful, brother.

Because I mean, now, man, I'm super connected. I don't, dude, I don't curse. You notice, yeah, I haven't cursed, right? I normally, I would normally curse. I don't curse off stage anymore. I'm trying to take it from my act because I didn't know I wasn't supposed to do it. I had no clue.

Getting closer to my faith, I've been reading more, man, and you're not supposed to use those words. You don't have to be funny, you know what I mean? Oh, I think I need them. You think you need them? No, they're a crutch and I need them. For real? No, but I still like them having in my toolbox.

John, John, you know what I love and you know what I always need in my life? Silk draws. You know why? Why? Because when you move, they touch you, you know what I'm saying? It's real good. I just find myself sometimes just moving from side to side because, yeah, it just feels good. And everybody who has, who wears silk drawers, understands me like this, you know?

Yeah, you got to get some. It makes you feel better, you know? You're right. Yeah. I don't, can you guys make a note of that that I gotta get, I gotta get silk drawers? Silk. Because it feels good to move around. I don't have them, but I need them.

Speaking of being, of the kind of world SNL puts you in. Yeah. You were once drunk at the White House? Oh my gosh. Yes, I was. The last party that the Obama's had before everything, you know, trumped out. It was, yeah, I was drunk. Yeah.

was drinking, so was everybody else, but I was having me a few. And I talked to Obama, you know, and I wish I didn't that night. And the reason is because the conversation, John, check this out. Now, Obama comes up to me, and, you know, we've met before, very gregarious guy, very amiable, he's Obama. You know, he has no choice. You know, he's got to be like that. Or they're going to write about him, you know what I'm saying? So I see this guy, he goes, I will Jay.

Man, I wish when you're on the show we could have done something together. And my drunk self just was like, oh, I can still make it happen. Yeah. I can make it happen. You know, I can hit Lauren Michaels up right now. I'm talking to the most powerful man in the world telling him that I had the pull to get him back on SNL so me and him could do a sketch together. Yeah, I haven't had Don Julio since that night, son. You know what I mean?

I haven't had it. It's crazy. So crazy. Jerry, it's so real, man. It's so funny. It's so funny to be like, don't worry, President Obama. I'll put it in a good word for you. Yeah, son, that was my 757 hanging out, dog. You know, that's where I'm from.

That's the Virginia hanging out there. But they wouldn't have done that. So it was just me. I messed off. You know. I know that you can blame your area code. Yeah, we got, always. You know, that's what the ludicrous is that he had holes in the many area codes.

Right. You know? Right. Yeah, 757-404. My cell phone just overload. Yeah. Yeah, we got that one too. Keep going, man.

Okay. Yeah. Now, before, now that we've got a little Obama, we're going to use your skills to help people have hard conversations people struggle to have. Oh, okay. So here's how it works. I have a list of scenarios that people might need help with, and then we have... Eggs?

The egg of truth, which is filled with people that you could potentially do an impression of. Okay. So first up, uh... Listen, man, the fact that you got Kevin Hart's summer home right here is ridiculous. Why would you do it? Why would you do it? Because he's a little.

That's his, it's golden. He wasn't, come on, John. Come on. Why would I do that, Kevin Hart's summer home here on the table? First up, you have to break it to someone, break it to you that your wife wants to open the marriage. Oh, man. And you have to do it as Sebastian Manascalco. You can tell it's Jerry who wants his marriage open.

Oh, doesn't want his marriage open. He's about to find out his wife wants to open his marriage. Um, well, the first thing that is he wants to open his marriage. Um, well, the first thing. I'm going to say you got to make sure that your wife never feels

like you like the other chick way more because because if she does it's game game over you feel me all right also also look into your wife's eyes

you gotta stare into her eyes if you don't look into her eyes she's going to find big Papa Kane and he's gonna pop a 19 right into your wife. And then you're gonna be like Pete Diddy. You don't wanna do that. Why, Jerry, why would you, why would you do that? Why would you do that, Jerry show, the open relationship.

All right, next, amazing. Next up, we have to inform Jerry, who is your dad, that you want to go to school, become a professional clown and not for mechanical engineering like he thought as Keanu Reeves whoa you know you should really have a conversation with your dad about switching majors before the next payments come through. Whoa. Because if you do, he'll

lessen the blow. And I can guarantee you. You want the blow lessened. I took over 20,000 blows during John Wick. It's insane. So talk to him, tell him from the heart what you want to do. And you'll be

fine all right let's do one more wow that was amazing let's do one more you have to tell tell Jerry that your test for chlamydia was positive

and you have to inform all your sexual partners let's do Denzo Washington so you've been out in these streets huh rookie you've been out in these streets huh you've been out in these streets huh you've been slanging the wood

You've just been doing it to you've been pumping it. You've been doing it to whoever you want to, right? That's what you've been doing, right? Okay, well, the first thing you got to do now is you got to strap up. That's what you got to do first, right? You know what? You take that magnum. You take that Trojan and you put it on

and you protect yourself from what they call the ratchetry. Do you understand? Okay. Now that everybody's got chlamydia, this is what I need you to do. I need you to talk to them in a very calm tone. You understand? You talk to them in a very calm tone? Jerry, you talk to them just like this, like I'm talking to. You say, listen, you got it,

but it's curable, okay? It ain't the worst, okay? You know why? Because it could have been the worst, you know, you could have had something that you could never get rid of, huh? Could have got that HSV-2 one. You know what I'm saying? Huh? That's right. The one that makes your thing look like nerds. You understand? Okay, all right. So that's all you got to do. Jerry, just talk to them just like this and say, listen. Once you cure it, call me again. You understand? Okay. All right. All right. Yeah, okay.

Thank you, Jay. Everybody, Jay's album, The Odyssey, is out as of this record right now. Yes. And you can check out the quiz with balls, which we didn't even talk about. But basically, you knock people off with giant balls into the water. Yeah, just a regular Friday night for Jay Farrell. You know what I mean? I knock them off with my balls, you know.

Yeah, no, it's on Fox. We're in the third season, baby. And the rate, yeah, we're doing. They get the questions wrong. They get knocked into the water by a giant fucking ball. I cursed. Big ball. Now, listen, you can do your thing.

You could curse. Yeah, I'm allowed. Listen, yeah. Jayfaro World.com for tickets to see him live. And we'll be right back with Zach Zucker. Yeah. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of love it or leave it coming up.

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It's Zach Zucker. There he is. There he is. Hello, I did. I did. Come on. Bring it in, buddy. Do you notice anything different about me?

Thank you. I know this is an audio medium. Is it a haircut? Do you get a new haircut? It's kind of what you would say. I got a huge hat, John. Okay, everyone hates me already. No, I just also want to say,

I didn't realize I was sitting with three. chubby losers as kids I was jacked I was a strong child my legs were so big they were like you must be five children on top of each other and I was like no that's just what squatting from a young age looks like

but I was ripped and I see people are upset with me right now but but imagine imagine this way bigger I kind of slimmed out as I grew up but I was ripped as a child we just came up with our next movie we're going to do together it's called Buff Baby public.

Please, please. If the industry would dare to make such a film as this. Okay, again. Corporate Hollywood, afraid to do something challenging. So you recently, we're in a bulture story about the L.A. clowning community. And I want to give you an opportunity to address them.

Because when people, when I hear clown, when I think about what clowning is, I think of Zach. Because I think of somebody who has, you went to France, you studied it and you came back and you've interpolated into what you do and then you're on the record in this article

seeming to slam the clown community and I thought that doesn't sound like the Zach I know care to comment seems like you don't know me at all no it was bullshit I have like a fatwa against me right now from the clown community everyone's so mad I spoke about this and this made me remember

that I don't trust journalists and they're not your friends no matter how nice they are, because I spent 80 of my 90 minutes talking about how much I love this art form, how it is my favorite thing in the world, how I love community, how I love all of the people and how appreciative I am of everyone in there, and 10 minutes, 10 toes down, I will say this, slamming the sycophantic psychopaths who are in in this community, who substitute therapy for performance, and they terrorize audience members, and they say this is this art form, and they ruin it. And they're people who've done one class once, and I think it's

awesome, you need to have this opportunity to be bad and get this out there. But like the whole article came because some guy from heated rivalry took two clown classes and I'm like, well, if I took two pizza making classes, I'm not a pizza maker. I'm just a guy who did something twice. And so I'm heated. Wow, there's so much, I didn't realize how much energy and emotion there is in the class. Oh, I've been sitting on this for three weeks, dude, it's ruined friendships for me. If you're not taking care of the audience and you're not making people feel safe and you're not doing everything to just, man, it's an art form of service and I get so passionate about it because I love it. And so to be, to have been misquoted so flagrantly with no context to remove all of

the history that I feel, I feel I've added to this to this community and then I do with pride to be only like coming in 90% of the way in as like a wrecking ball. Dude, it was devastating. It was absolutely devastating. I'm so, I'm, well, I'm glad you could talk about it. Well, because here's the reason I wanted to bring it up is because I don't, I'm, all I know about This I know through you and but what people often say about you specifically is you decided to learn about clowning and it made you an extraordinary performer it changed how you were on stage and I see you as a remarkable performer on stage and so it must it just must suck to then have this thing that you love which transformed how you perform become something where like all of a sudden

You're seen as someone who's like being antagonistic about no dude and I'm like I'm a hater for the sport as a joke but like I'm a lover first fellows, ladies, everyone in between. No, I'm like, I have to remember I have to also be a little bit funny too, I've come in hot. But what can you expect? I was a jacked child. Wait, you also have your new special out, which is Jack Tucker, which...

I do. I feel like a lot of people probably heard of you because of Jack Tucker and don't know that you're not Jack Tucker. You know what I mean? That they see Jack Tucker and they're like, oh, that's just the... That's the wet guy, but now he's unwet.

Now you're dry as bone. Well, not when I'm talking to you, John. All right. You know, just because you're married doesn't mean we still can. I'm a married man. I'm a married man. It's over between us. We had fun.

You had a chance and you fucking blew it. And I'm not going to relitigate this. You told me that's what you wanted me to do. Don't tell me to blow it if you don't want me to blow it, John? So we have a Stamstown special on Netflix. Almost. It's coming soon. The Jack Tucker specials on YouTube.

It would mean the world to me if you guys like it. I have a boy. He's 19 years old. He's small. And he's trying to play baseball. So it would be so cool if you guys could watch this. And then, yeah, we shot one for Netflix for our variety show. That's awesome.

Thank you. I noticed I had a seat laid out for you and there was like a balloon and some flowers there and it was empty on show night. Yeah, look, obviously it's just like really hard for me to be in the room for you watching you perform because of like that's where we met. And so it's like been difficult. And like I've moved on. I'm clear. I've moved on. You say that a lot.

It doesn't have to be this way, John. I'll never stop swirling the rumors. It's great. The rumors. The rumors. One time someone posted on Reddit saying that we had chemistry and I texted him being like, can I play with that? And that has been what I've done for four years.

Allegedly. Now it's time for a segment we call. I don't care. I love it. I love it. Great. Here's how it works. All of our guests.

We'll share something that they love that other people hate, then they may got shit for loving, but they don't care because they love it. We'll each have 60 seconds to defend the thing we love. And I'll kick it off. I'm gonna tell you something that I love, that you may think is gross, and I'm just gonna tell you that it's awesome,

and I've started doing this, which is, I take a Diet Coke, and I add two shots of espresso, and half and half. Yeah, and you know what? It's fucking awesome. It's delicious. It's carbonated. It's sweet because of the Diet Coke.

It has two extra shots of espresso in it. It's got the creaminess from the half and half. It's awesome. It's delicious. And everyone looks at me like I'm crazy. It's great. That's my man. And you should try it before you.

See that part of you that's resistant to something that doesn't sound good to you? That anger or kind of disqual. disgust you feel for something new, that's the ice agent in every heart. That's the Trump inside of you. That's the Trump and you. Something new, disgusting. No. Thank you.

No, I'm sorry. I've got to make that face. Why don't you just have like an energy drink? They taste good and they're like bubbly and you're like, I feel that in my veins. Okay, you have that. I'll have my thing. All right.

I'm going to go with mine. I actually heard this recently. I love taking a hot bath or a hot shower. I crank it all the way up high, whether I'm at my house or at a public bath. I love taking baths like public places, public pools, bath houses, stuff like that. But afterwards, and I actually carry them, I love after a hot bath, a cotton swab in my ear, in my ear canal. It's just like, it's just like really, it's borderline. sexual for me. It just hits me

like right there. It's well it's my G spot. That's it. Like right in there. And I feel it. And I recently told someone about it and they said it's very bad to do that that you're actually pushing wax into your brain and you know what? I don't care. I'm going to

keep doing it. I love the way it makes me feel. It fulfills me and if it makes me feel good I'm going to keep on pushing that wax into my brain. Good. Absolutely. The box doesn't even acknowledge its true purpose. The Q-Tip people are like, this is for cleaning your keyboard. You know it's for shoving it in my fucking ears.

You didn't build that big headquarters from cleaning keyboards. You built it from people shoving these things in your ears. Your whole business is about the bus putting these things in your... You can look the other way, Q-Tip, but you know what we're doing. You know what your business is. I just want to say with someone who has media trading, I never said that brand. I said cotton swab. That was a big difference.

And as someone who doesn't have media training, I'm only thinking about putting them on my bum for the chlamydia tests at the AHF Foundation and we can get free sexual health testing. Beautiful. And as somebody that's crazy, I just envisioned why you were talking about the Q-Tiv and it talking. It had Richard Pryor's voice, and I don't know why I thought that.

But just, yeah, Jack, it's real messed up in here. Like, it's just dirty and it's sticky, and I can't move my stuff. I don't know. There you go. Yeah, is it my turn? Yeah, it's your turn. Yeah, all right, so check this out.

I don't care what nobody says, son. Okay, first of all, peanut butter crunch is one of the best serials ever. I don't care if it rips up the top with a roof of your mouth. Nobody cares, son. That's called battle scars. If I got... Hey, and you know what, I'm gonna give you somethin out. Ludacris is one of the greatest rappers of all the

was of all time. That's right. Top five for me. Mother of for, I'm a monster in this gang, similar to the likeness. My rhymes is nappy root and some verses got a process. The truth in this booth. Ain't no doubts when I rap.

And if I said that I'd either done it or it's about to happen. Luda! Yes, sir. And I still got 20 seconds because I'm nice, son. Yes. Yes. That was lovely.

Just give us some wine. He's good. All right, Zach, you're up. Damn, I mean, I just, I want to enjoy, there's four seconds left to enjoy ludicrous. I just want to say, we were talking about that backstage, and I also, I know everyone's clamoring to know my opinion on it. I agree.

And the crowd goes mild. All right, you have 60 seconds, Zach. What is something you love that others hate? I think I'm going to go a bit more local to Los Angeles specific and say, I love riding lime scooters with speakers around my body. Yes. With an alleged spliff in my mouth, sunglasses, no shirt, bathing suit, ripping it down Sunset Boulevard.

We are in California, people. What else are we supposed to be doing? And yeah, oh, you're the boombox guy? Oh, sorry, you mean the good pedestrian on the road practicing hearing safety? I don't have earplugs in my ears. I don't got headphones in my ears. I'm open to the road so I can hear, but I'm vibing out. You think I'm going to miss that beautiful sunset?

Right? Is it Crests over Hillhurst? You're out of your goddamn minds. I'm going to be scooting and booed and I'm going to be smoking and people are going to be looking and I'm like, yeah, I'm nervous what you think about me, but I feel good, so it's okay. And I'm usually listening to Luda, you know what I mean? Oh, God, I'm a household name with games, spitting out of my mouth at all times. I spit it out and about and I spit it out and about until they recognize the date. Okay, no one even knows, but I, uh...

And that's our show. Thank you so much to Jerry James. After 144 days until the big terms, we'll be back next week with a very special pride show. Have a great night and have a great weekend. Love It or Leave it is a Cicid Media production. Our show is produced by Kendra James, Bill McGrath, Kelsey Ganty, and me, John Lovett. Our production team includes Hallie Kiefer, Sarah Lazarus, David Tolls, Claudia Shang, Jay Banks, Gavin Purcell, and Matt DeGroote, and our staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America East.