Lovett or Leave It - Boo York City

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

The Big Apple spits out a worm, Trump attacks California’s elections, and Spencer Pratt packs up his dreams of mayoral stardom. This week, Michael Urie lies down on Lovett’s couch and analyzes his feelings about Harrison Ford; Kel Cripe lays out a Pride month's worth of regulations in They/Them’s the Rules, and we put the show to rest with a nice warm cup of Second Thoughts.

Love it or leave it, it's love it or leave it. Welcome to Love It or Leave It, live it live it, live from Los Angeles. I'm John Lovett, and in my attic there's a portrait of me, slowly going bald. We've got a great show for you tonight. Michael Yuri is here. Cal Cripe is here. But first, let's get into it. What a week.

On Monday, Donald Trump became the first sitting president to attend an NBA finals game. Can't wait, huge fans, said Trump, before pronouncing both K's and Kinnicks. Trump only decided to go after being assured multiple times by his staff that none of his children would be getting married at the event. Arriving in Manhattan, Trump remarked,

you know, I used to have sex here while pointing at his crotch. Make any sense. Here is Trump getting booed on the Jumbotron during the national anthem. Quick, quick, cut to Shalameh, said the panic camera. operator before realizing that Tina Faye had already swallowed him whole like a snake.

The president was also booed at watch parties across the Big Apple. It was as if all of New York City was booing a single man. I couldn't imagine anything worse other than being a single woman. Trump also fell asleep at certain points of the game, though you already assume that. Sir, sir, wake up, Epstein's alive. Sir, sir, wake up, we found your childhood sled and then threw it in the garbage instead of donating it like you asked.

Sir, sir, wake up, you took your weird penis out. Trump's presence created a headache for the game's other 20,000 attendees who were told to arrive at least two hours early to get through enhanced security. In response, New York City mayor, Zoran Mamdani, who bought tickets to the game to attend himself, announced that an additional watch party

would be held at Bryant Park, that you can't have open containers in the park because Mom Doni has instituted Sharia law. Trump making the NBA finals all about himself led to comments like this one by Stephen A. Smith. If it causes the New York Knicks to win to lose tonight, I'm blaming him. I'm blaming the president of the United States. We'd like to think we had something to do with it,

said the San Antonio Spurs. And then, while Trump watched and napped, the Knicks lost. We were overconfident after a series of victories and caught off guard by a surprisingly strong defense. That's about the war in Iran, but it also applies to the game. And in the end, we were bodied by a petro state run by religious fundamentalists. That's about the game, but also applies to the war in Iran. On his way home from the game, Trump did an interview on the tarmac to spin his appearance. What did you think of the reception you got from the next band tonight? I do it great. I mean,

it was certainly amazing. It was, I think, mostly cheers. It was, it was, it was, a, it was, loud and it was very enthusiastic. It was loud and very enthusiastic, said Trump about every one of his wives perfunctory fake orgasms. Speaking of fake and perfunctory, Trump has been accusing Los Angeles, where we are currently recording,

of widespread voter fraud now that reality star Spencer Pratt has fallen behind progressive city council member Nithia Rahman in the vote count. Now, L.A. does have a motive to steal an election from Spencer Pratt because most of L.A.'s voters don't want him be mayor. If you think about it, wrote Trump on true social, not possible for Spencer Pratt to have

lost the L.A. runoffs after the big lead he had. Just try an insurrection in Los Angeles, Trump. Where are you going to go? City Hall? The county administrative building on Temple, individual supervisor offices? Los Angeles divides authority across multiple layers of government, creating a convoluted bureaucracy that stymies progress and allows politicians to pass the buck, you idiot. Besides, you think the Pratt voters on the west side? are going to go all the way downtown on a weekday to launch an insurrection? I don't think so. Maybe you can get them as far as West Adams. That's only if you promise to do an insurrection in Culver City next time.

Republicans have latched on to the slow pace of California's ballot counting as a reason to suspect fraud because famously, when you're committing a massive felony, you want to do it as slowly as possible. Really drag it out over days. The striptease of election fraud, I call it. When asked for evidence of voter fraud, Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House, said this. is there to prove that there was his rank. I don't, some of these efforts are so diabolical and so far upstream that is impossible to prove. But I think everybody knows instinctively something is wrong here. It just instinctively feels wrong, Mike Johnson said, pulling the hockey mask down over his wife's face while asking her to call him Hollander.

California, you can say a lot about the Democrats of the state of California, but the word diabolical would not occur to any of us. Have you seen these people? Diabolical? Are you kidding me? According to recent polling, Mayor Karen Bass was up by 18 points in a one-on-one with Pratt, but down by four points in a one-on-one with Nithia. So the Democratic establishment, which is behind Karen Bass, in a diabolical maneuver, rigged the election to make it harder for her to win in November. Now that I say that, that does sound like California Democrats.

So let me back up. California vote counting is a notoriously long process, as every registered voter receives a mail-in ballot, and every ballot mailed by election day and received within seven days is counted. Also, according to California state law, the ballots must first be sorted by the voter's astrological sign.

It doesn't change the final outcome, but it does slow things down. Plus, if you interrupt California Secretary of State Shirley Weber while she's counting, she gets flustered and has to start over again. Of course, this is all ridiculous. The only L.A. fraud we really need to get to the bottom of is Gelsens.

It's pavilions products at Arawon prices. What are we doing? Why are we shopping here? It's crazy what they're doing at the Gelsons. And he's carried out onto the street. The new mayor. I've been heard Karen Bass say one fucking thing about what's going on at these Gelsons prices. Even Republican gubernatorial candidate Steve Hilton,

who won a spot on the November ballot, went on CNN Monday to dismiss Trump's concerns. We take it very seriously because we don't want to let people down, and we've been very vigilant on it. We're keeping an eye on it. We've got teams standing by, lawyers standing by, and we've seen nothing that would give us cause to intervene in that way. Continued Hilton, everything looks legit, as I seem to be winning. How many people here found out he had a British accent from that video? Isn't that shocking? Isn't that shocking? That's why Trump blew a fuse when meet the press host Kristen Welker asked him to back up his claims about L.A.'s mayor.

They're cheating on the election. There's, what, do you have evidence to support that? All I have to do is look. All I have to do is look. That's not evidence. And I listen to people and let's see what happens. But sir, that's not evidence. Do you think it's appropriate?

That's how they count the votes in California. You think it's appropriate. They're crooked, just like you're crooked, your press is crooked and meet the press is crooked. To be fair, I'm not crooked. But let's, really, when you play right into their hands in. Let's continue. You're either crooked or you're stupid. It's a good line.

I feel like we can stop asking Trump if he has to be. evidence at this point it's like asking Rihanna if she has any new music what kind of question is that what are you hoping again Trump then stormed off let's call it quick because I've had it out thank you darling have a good time mr. president let's please I traveled all the way to Wisconsin please please mr. president I came all the way to Wisconsin it's so much dairy I'm I'm half black and half Jewish I have one cheese curd it's like meet the press more like meet the toilet and then finally at the as he was leaving Trump stepped on the microphone and crushed it

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Mark and Delacado, Mickey Meeks, Bruce, Bruce, Valanche, Brendan Scannell, and Moore. All right. Please welcome to this stage. I know I need to see a therapist, but this is the next best thing. It's Shrinking's own Michael Yuri. It's good to see you.

Hello, hello. Hi. Hi. Good to see you. It's so good to see you. Shrinking is on its third season. Yes, the third season is out. You can watch the first three seasons. I can't believe I can't, you get high as you want. Is that all right? Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. I want to be up here

with you. Isn't it so interesting to be on a show about therapy, even though the fad of therapy is over? Like, it's sort of in the past now. I mean, like, I remember when the show launched, it was like, oh, that's so perfect. We're all getting therapy. And now it's like, who's doing that? Who's doing that anymore? Now we're just, like, living in our own filth.

Yeah, mentally. Our emotional, mental filth. Yeah, because we're so busy. Well, yeah, when the show first came on, it was right after the pandemic when everybody got into therapy. Or when the taboo of mental health was sort of lifted, right? Like, I remember we started talking about our feelings during the pandemic. Yes.

Everyone was depressed. It was like, it was like, it was like the first time in humanity when the whole world was depressed. Yeah. And isn't it funny how, because we've made the wrong president, president, we never processed our collective trauma. Yes. Kind of in the same way how, like, after the Spanish flu, it was really about how World War I was so terrible. But really, we'd also been through a terrible pandemic. But we never really wrote as many poems about that, did we, Michael Urey?

Not as many poems about the influenza. A lot of poems about the trenches. Not a lot of poems about the... True. Hey, it says here you have a googly eye. That's right, I do. I don't even know what the... Hey, what's that mean?

Okay, so, you know, some people have like a lazy eye. You might call it a lazy eye or like cross-eyed. I call mine a googly eye. Technically, it is the... It is a severed nerve. in my eye, it's the fourth nerve, and I have a cerebral palsy of the fourth nerve. That's what a doctor told me it was. And it may have been caught, I may have been born with it,

or it may have been caused by head trauma. I had a few head traumas when I was a kid. I did that thing where you spin around and get dizzy, and I hit my head on a coffee table. One time I was running up the front sidewalk, and I tripped, and I hit my head on a step. So I had a couple of head traumas. That might have been what severed the nerve.

I didn't even know I had this until I was like 17. And somebody pointed out that my eye was crossed. And I was like, yeah, doesn't your eye go cross when you look a certain direction and you see double too? Well, apparently, not everyone. That's not true for everyone. But when I look, like if I'm sitting here and I look at you, can you see how it goes?

Yeah, you see it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It goes, and I can see double. So like I can see you down here and I see you up here. So I used to use it to cheat in school. No kidding, I could like sit and cheat off of my next door neighbor. paper in school. You're just like kind of one of the X-Men

that didn't make it in the comics. I hit puberty that I could look in both directions at once. We're like, get out of here. It's not that useful. We can't do anything with that. We can't stop Magneto with that. How are we going to use that? How are we going to use this stuff? Magneto. I mean, maybe

they think about it for an hour. And then I keep seeing double and running into things. They're like, not that one. The other one. Guys, Magneto's either to the left or to the right. But I I know how to control it. I mean, if I look a certain, like if I'm looking at you here, I'm not seeing double, and you can't tell that I have a gooey eye.

But if I look at you there, whoa, there it is. Isn't that crazy? So, like, when I'm working in front of the camera, I know how to adjust. And I always thought I've got this down. No one's going to possibly know. And then I was, like, having just small talk with one of the focus pullers at shrinking, the people who, like, pull the focus for the camera.

And we're just chatting. And I was like, yeah, you know, and I've got this, I've got this googly eye thing and he was like, oh yeah, I know. And I was like, oh, I guess I guess he's looking close. Yeah, they're looking right at you. But when I'm in a play,

like on stage, I don't adjust because the audience can't see for the most part, unless you're that guy with really good eyes, they can't really see and so I don't really care what my co-star thinks because you cheat out. You know, like on stage, you want to cheat out so that the audience gets your

face. And so I give, and so I was recently doing O'Mary on Broadway. I saw you in O'Mayie. Yes, that's right. You came. I did. He was great. O'Mary, the amazing play by Coloscola.

I was doing it with Jinks Monsoon, the brilliant and talented Jinks Monsoon from Drag Race. She was playing Mary, and I was playing Mary's teacher. And Mary's teacher comes, I'm not going to spoil anything, but Mary's teacher comes and gives her some acting lessons. And so in this scene, when I'm giving her acting lessons, this is this really funny exchange where she's not very good at it.

And he's like, all right, you know, you know, mean it when you say it. Try to mean it when you say it. And then she does it and it's really bad. Okay, well, look at me. Try looking at me when you say it. And then she looks like down at my crotch. And I'm like, look at me in the eye.

And she goes, which eye? And then I say both. And she, she does this really funny bit where she goes, looking at both eyes. Very funny. Always kills. So we do the whole run. We do this show together for two months.

And at the closing night party, Jinks, we're at the party, everyone's like, oh, I'm going to miss you, I'm going to miss you. And Jinks is like, I have to tell you something. Every night, now that we're closed, I can tell you, every night when we got to the scene that you're teaching me about acting, and I had to say, which eye, I imagined your Googling. She's like looking right at me.

She's like, I felt like I didn't know which eye to look at, but the audience did. didn't know and I never told you because I was so afraid that it would break us both up. But you know that's the truth when you meet somebody who has a funny eye, you don't know which one to look at. And here we were. And you don't even know if they have a sense of humor about it. And you don't know if they have a sense of humor. So every night she would go, which eye and then feel a little bad.

Because it comes, right? It wasn't added for you or Google. No, no, it was always in there. I just happened to have one and it fit in and it is an extra joke for her and everyone sitting on that side of the audience. So Apple TV Plus Plus what Why is everything plus? Disney Plus? Paramount Plus

Apple TV Plus? Where the plus come from? I don't know. Great question. What's your favorite thing about the iPhone 17 Pro Max? Is it the camera or how everyone who has money and thinks of themselves as interesting got the orange one? It's like, oh wow, you're so avant-garde, you're so counterculture. You got the orange one. It's that.

Do you appreciate the unibody construction with the vapor change? chamber cooling. That's on a phone? Yeah. That's part of the new iPhone 17 Max Pro Max. Vapor, like it cools it, like, so the phone doesn't get hot? I don't know. Don't know.

Hey, I saw you in the show, Ellsbeth. You're on the first season of the show, Elzbeth, and we were discussing this today. You also have a character on the good wife and the good fight. Yes. And Elzbeth is part of the good wife, good fight. of the good wife, good fight universe. But your character on Elisbeth is not the character you played on the good fight good wife.

No. Who was like a CIA person. Yes, Steven Deena Verna was that guy's name. And so in that world, does that mean there's a Michael Yuri who will show up as a character? You know what I'm saying? How does it work? Because you can't, what does it work?

If someone, you know what I'm saying? I do. I know exactly what you're saying. crystal clear. They broke the cycle. They broke that rule. Ellsbeth does not follow that same rule. Because couldn't it be that you were in,

you were the CIA person in character as the, a feat rich person on that episode of Elspeth season one? I'm sorry, effete. I mean, you played a rich gay guy who knew a lot about art. That's fair. I mean, sort of textbook,

Afeet. Do you not think, yeah, I thought the character was a feat. No, you're right, he's a feat. I don't know why I would be offended by that. It's pride. It's pride. It's pride. It's pride.

It's pride. by being called a feet. You're right. Hey, get that's my own internalized homophobia. Let that go. I'm sorry. Let that go. Let it get out.

Let it free. Therapy. But no, they broke that. So now people who played characters on the good wife and good fight can appear on Ellsbeth as different characters. However, I love this idea that the character I play on Elspeth, whose name I can't come up with right this second, was undercover in the CIA as Stephen de Navarna. I like that. Hey, I got married a few weeks ago and we forced all the attendees to sing one day more. After the Friday night dinner, we handed out the lyrics and we assigned parts.

You did? Yeah. And, uh, yeah, uh, Ginger Minge, the drag queen led the whole wedding in singing this song. Now, Jason Siegel and you have a lay-miss moment singing on the season of shrinking. Correct. Let's take a look. Believe me, you can never change. There is a jutee that I'm sworn to change.

No. True. So why I feel so brand. You know nothing. Johnny! I was born inside of me. Hey, there's Harrison Ford.

All right, I think we've seen plenty. Thank you. What did Harrison Ford think about that? He had no idea what we were about to do. He didn't know. He had no idea. Well, the script said Jimmy and Brian sing the confrontation

from Le Miz. That's all it said. And I don't, I don't think he knows what that is. I don't think he understands what that means. He might know what Le Miz is as a property, but I don't think he was at all aware. And we just started singing.

And so his reactions are all completely authentic. Do you think Harrison Ford and O'Mary can exist in the same room at the same time? Like, if he would, I would like him to see it. Do you think he would? I think he would go, yeah. I think he would see it. But he hasn't see.

I can't. He doesn't seem like a New York guy. He doesn't love... I don't think he loves New York, although he has spent tons of time in New York. Speaking of pride, I once saw Harrison Ford at the New York Pride Parade.

He, I was... This is crazy. It was 2010, and I was off on a float during the parade, and we were going... Just eye candy, or was it connected to something? It was for a play. I was doing a play.

I was dancing in my underwear and in a cage. No, I was... It was for this play called The Temperamentals, which was about the Madachine Society, which was the first political organization for gay people in 1950. Harry Hay, who started it, later started the radical fairies. The Manichin Society is still a thing.

Brian Kameney. He protested outside the White House connected to the Manichime. Yes, yes, yes, yes, exactly. And so we were in like a 1950s convertible in the parade. Oh, that's nice. Very cool. And so we're going down, you know, Fifth Avenue during the parade and I and just waving, you know, like you do in a parade,

waving and looking at people and saying, hey, ha, ha, and I see standing on a lamp post, you know, somebody standing on a lamp post to see over, I see this guy in a suit with sunglasses, and I'm like, doesn't that guy look like Harrison Ford? And I pointed him, and everybody in my float looks, and then we go about our business. And then, and nobody thinks anything of it. Like, there was a guy who looked like Harrison Ford at the Pride parade. So then years later, I'm working with Nick Jonas of the Jonas Brothers, and he has a bodyguard with him for this job, and the bodyguard comes up

and he's like, hey, you, yeah, you. You made a lot of trouble for me during the gay pride parade a few years back. I was looking after Harrison Ford. He wanted to watch. You pointed at him, and everyone started rushing him, and I had to get him out of there. Wow.

You almost got Harrison Ford killed. And he gets killed. There's no, I mean, look, I think Shrinky could potentially have happened without Harrison Ford, but I think he was a big part of getting that thing going. I'm sure it would have been a very different show, for sure.

He almost, you know, he almost got like, what's the opposite of gay-bashed? He almost got bashed by gays, I guess, is what you would say. The opposite of gay bash is gay-bashed. It just, you know, it's like flammable and inflammable, in a sense. And now you're talking about it, and that he's dead, and then you're here being like, actually, Dustin Hoffman was fun to work with on the set. He actually didn't even know we were going to sing it. Hey, Michael, inspired by your hit show on Apple Plus TV, shrinking,

we're going to crack open the egg of truth. Great. It's next to me. All right. However, we're going to change it today because we're going to not just have the egg of truth, which is this. We also are going to have the egg of therapeutic follow-ups. Okay.

And so we're going to answer a question, and then we're going to answer a follow-up about it. Okay, great. This is funny. You know, my character on the show is not a therapist. Yes, we talked about this last time, and I decided I don't care. Great, great, great, great. Just making sure you know. What is the ideal time to have dinner? 5.30.

I know, I know. I'm early. I intermittent fast, so I like to get done. Do you think that could be connected to your relationship with your mother? Yeah, she was very strict about dinner. If you only had 24 hours to live, would you come on this show again? Yeah, absolutely. Sure. Where in your body are you feeling that?

Blatter. Blatter. Blatter. If you could have dinner with any person living or dead, it would be living, right? Is that the whole question? Yeah, and who would your dinner guest be? I think it would be John Lovett, dead. Wow. John, me dead. Hey, what's the worst advice you've ever received?

Do love it or leave it again? You don't. Hey. No, no, no, no. Wait, what if you're... Well, the worst advice I ever received was don't come out of the closet. How about that? And that was what you said, Harrison Ford told you.

That's what Harrison said. From the lamp post. He's like... In 20. Too much. I can tell. Button it up. Stay in.

You want a Hollywood... Stay in. Just shout it across with that. Stay in. Stay in. Hey, whose voice do you hear when you say that? That's a therapy question. You hear me.

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Oh, hey. Hey, everybody. You know, you have a show called What the Ruck. Yes. And you put people put on heavy weights and walk around. Well, heavy is debatable. It's about like 10, 12 pounds. You guys know Rucking?

It's like just wearing a weighted vest and going on a walk. It's great for keeping your workouts low impact, good for joint pain. You know this? No, I didn't know this. Okay, once you learn about what rucking is, you're going to see it everywhere. Yeah, I did it. Jokes aside. Jokes aside.

Jokes aside. I did it this weekend. Coincidentally. Really? Coincidentally. I bought two weighted vests at the Target. One for me, one for my buddy Spencer. We threw on those weighted vests.

We walked all around. Isn't it the best? It's great. Because you're on a walk and you're still tired at the end. Yes. And then you take it off and you kind of feel like you fly for a second. Yes. Yes.

You're like, boy, I've never been so high up off the ground. Yes. But for this vest being gone, you know? But so for my show, we just have a friend on and we give them a weighted vest and we go on a walk along the L.A. River. And we play awesome kids. games like Ruck Mary Kill, stuck between a ruck in a hard place. And what do you look for in a ruck buddy?

Wait, does only the guests have the vest? Do you have a vest? We all have them. We all have them. We sort of shitting and not have everyone in a vest. No, we actually, we even make sure the cameraman wears a vest. And you can't see him. And he has to walk backwards to film the show. Carry a camera.

Yeah, it's amazing. Shout out Trevor. Hey, Trevor. Shout out to you for being forced to you. for being forced to wear a vest for no reason whatsoever. Why is it called Ruck? Ruck Sack. Because of Alan Ruck.

Alan Ruck. It's named after Alan Ruck. That's of course what it is. Ferris fuel's day off. Yeah. It's so funny, though, because rucking is either, like, for, like, middle-aged women, like, recommended by their doctors to, like, keep things, for bone density. Or it's, like, X Marines doing the hardest workout you've ever seen trying to make it harder.

I would say that in Los Angeles there is a strong overlap in the Venn diagram between middle-aged women and ex-marines because if you're in a gym class in Los Angeles and you look around and you only see guys

it's actually not going to be so hard if you look around and you see 12 of the poignant fucking women you've ever seen in your life and then like one guy you're like this is going to be the hardest workout in the state of California as a rule of thumb.

I started taking 80s dance with my girlfriend on Fridays. It's like a beginner hip-hop 80s-themed workout class, and it's my favorite. No Marines there. Hey, you have a one-person show at the Hollywood Fringe. Yes. It's directed by Mitra Duhari friend of the show. Yes, love Mitra so much. She's brilliant.

Did you have any revelations about yourself as you were writing it? Yeah, I mean. It's a solo show about my life, so I do feel like revelations were a big part of the writing process. It's so wonderful. I'm doing it at the LGBT Center five times this month. It's called The Magic Computer. And it's kind of like I've been having these thoughts around memory and especially as a trans person who looks so different in so many of my past photos. I was having a really hard time reconciling, like acknowledging my past when the person in my pictures reflected everything I spent so long getting away from. And what's a bummer is when you try to forget about the past, you lose along with it, all of the lovely people and memories you have along with it. And so the idea is kind of this magic computer that contains all your past selves, photos of all your eras, and it can present it to you in a way that helps you synchronize.

into one. Wow. But I paper-mishade the computer. And the fun way, and the fun way to say it is that I used to be a hot girl, and this computer has all my secrets. So, but it's a lot about memory, and I've found so much peace with accepting my past, and like there's so many of these photos I never used to be able to look at, and now I'm able to look at them so peacefully and, like, with love. And my hope when people leave the show is just that they kind of maybe want to go back and look at that photo album era of a time they weren't really kind to themselves and kind of maybe look at it with nicer eyes. That's so nice. Because my now husband, we're saying husband, is trans, and we have a picture of Ari as a girl

in our living room. And I think it did take, took them time to get to the place where it was like, hey, that's just a fun picture of me that I like to point to people when they come in. So when we have friends come over to the house the first time, and we're sitting at an, there's me at a girl, that's me as a girl. Yeah.

That's me as a girl. Yeah. It's on the coffee table. And I think a lot of the, like a thesis in it too is that there's no guidebook for how to react to pre-transition photos. Well, there are guidebooks, but they say, stop doing this. This is all wrong. Ew, ew, ew, cancel, bad, bad.

Yeah, but then it's interesting because I talk to so many trans friends about memory, and it's like it makes you feel like you don't, you're not allowed to have access to your own past anymore. Like, even my closest friends who are so. loving. I'll show them a picture of me because fun fact I was prom queen. And like if I show this photo of me with like long hair, feminine, and a dress and heels, even my most loving friends, their reaction is like they don't know what to do. And I kind of wanted to like lead the charge like by example of like how we can react to these things normally. And I say in the show that like

the only person that's ever reacted properly is a dentist named Phil and one time we were out on like a bar crawl in Scottsdale, Arizona, and I was so nervous for him to see my license. I was like clutching it to my chest because the photo is me and I'm like 16 years old and I showed it to a bouncer and I didn't grab it back in time and filling for it and he just goes, oh my gosh, I look so different too and he held his card out next to mine and we just kind of giggled together about how we both look different because everyone looks different as we grow up. And I think normalizing, we look different.

Sometimes it's a gender swap, sometimes it's 15 pounds. It's all the same. And I think the more we can learn to look back, kinder, and accept each other in all our shapes and forms, the more, like, empathetic we can be together and, like, less stigmatized about looking different. Yeah.

It's also part, I do think sometimes there's a way in which conversations around trans issues, for some valid reasons, I think some kind of, I don't know, holdover reasons, it's really kept separate, right? And like, and even like, oh, these are photos, I don't know how to process these photos. And I think about photos of a relationship you are no longer in. What do you do with, forget the photo, like, what do you do with those memories, right? Like, what do you do with a period of your life that you don't feel totally at ease with, inside of which you had great experiences that you don't want to not think about? And you know what you do?

You get tickets to the magic computer at the Los Angeles LGBT Center this June. Wait. There's a code, right? Yes, I would love to give code love it to anyone listening for some discounted tickets. Hollywoodfringe.org. So go check out the show. Oh my gosh. Wait, I had one funny bit.

Obviously, it's like weird to talk about your own show. So I just had two reviews I was hoping you could read really quick. Okay, great. So I have them right here. So you could read this one and then swipe. If you know Kell from their videos online, you're familiar with their brand of wholesome silly humor, but this show expands on those jokes in a wonderfully heartfelt, vulnerable way. Kel has an amazing knack for making everyone feel like a friend of theirs, and this production showcases that beautifully.

The Magic Computer helps Kel process their journey of gender discovery, and in turn, Kel helps us the audience to feel joy, whimsy, empathy, and to laugh really, really, really hard. What I liked, I liked that the seats had cushions. It really helped. So those were two. Reviews I just thought if you're like on the fence. Cushion seats.

I mean, Mietra and I worked really hard on getting cushions on those seats. You got to get, you got to get me. People got to feel comfortable in every way. You know, physically, psychologically, socially, mentally, you know? But. You know that butt wise? But wise. We'll be right back.

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AG1's great. It fits right into your routine. You can have it every morning. You know you've got your vitamins, you got your probiotics, you got all the things you need. I took some today. Wow. Took some today. Put a little AG1 in my smoothie. Age 1 in the smoothie. It's great. Great. Drink AG1.com slash love it to get a free morning person hat and a free AG1 flavor sampler in your welcome kit with your first AG1 subscription. That's an $82 value. That's drinkag1.com slash love it. And we're back. It's pride. And we all know what pride is about telling everyone who isn't us how to live. To help, Kell is going to propose some new rules and regulations in a segment we call they them's the rules. Kel will tell Michael and me our new rule. We will decide if we disagree with the

new rule or if we agree that, hey, they them's the rules. And if we do all agree, it is binding. Permanent. Permanent. Cal, take it away. All righty, starting nice and easy, nothing too intense here. Now there are only going to be four TV shows. And we are all going to watch all of them. And then everyone's going to talk to me about them at the speed in which I watch them too. There's just simply too much. We need to simplify. So we're going to get four. One sad, one scary, one gay, oh, actually too gay. One of the gay shows is going to take place in space, and the other one is going to revolve around a sport that doesn't exist like hockey.

I'm in on that. Yeah, let's do it. Four is plenty. It's a great rule. Four is plenty. Four at a time. Yeah, and that way, no one's ever left out. Yeah, I'm sick of people feeling left out of the shows. And four is me and my girlfriend's magic number.

Cool, great. I love that. That's so beautiful. Okay. So they them's rules? They them's the rules. You know, the first time we play this, I never played it right. You can't play it wrong. Here's the thing, you can't play it wrong.

Yeah, new rule. I can't play this game wrong. You can't play it wrong. They them's the rules. Okay, let's move on. Protein isn't good for you anymore. Enough, enough. Why would you want to feel full and satiated

when there's stuff out there like bread and cookies? I do think protein's gotten out of hand. I think people have gotten out of hand. everything's protein. You're like, this cake is protein. Protein is protein. Actually, you don't need to make this with, you can make this.

Actually, you don't need to use flour. You can just make this with meat. Yeah. I have yogurt that has protein in it. It's like protein, yogurt at home. I have tortillas that are protein. What's going on in that tortilla? What's going on?

What's going on? This is a great rule. Yay! Yay! They them's the rules. So you actually should judge a book by its cover. Because it's not about how many books you've read, it's about how many you've purchased.

Some people don't think audiobooks count as reading, but now even just thinking about reading a book counts as reading it. I like that rule. I really like that rule. I'm in. I'm in on that. You know, a thing that helped me buy more books. Someone once said, stop viewing the books you buy as like a to-do list

and view them as a wine cellar. And you collect them, and then you go down into the cellar and pull out what feels right at the right time. I love that. Buy the books. I totally support buying books. My philosophy. Oh, from the life.

Actually, get them for the library. Here's the thing about getting them from the library. I support getting... Watch yourself. I think we should have very well-funded libraries, but at the same time, it's like get a book from a library, as opposed to, if you can, buy a book and therefore support the industry of books.

You know? It's complicated. That is a really good point. I can, shouldn't I be supporting, if I can buy a book, shouldn't I buy a book? We don't have time to get into it. I will say I do believe in starting more books and people should be unashamed about quitting on a book.

You should always quit on books. If you're done, stop. There's always more books. And if you're going to stick with a book, even though you're not having fun anymore, you may not read as much. So just if you're... That's so true.

I'm not saying you're... Stop reading. Quote, John Lovett. That's exactly right. They have the rules. So this one's, you know, a little... Follow me, okay? If a restaurant is objectively nice,

When you ask to take food home, they actually can't bring the container to the table. You have to slop it up there yourself for the world to see. I hate that. So basically what I'm saying is that clean plate club is mandatory now, and anywhere where the waiter is nice to you. Since giving public slop is socially unacceptable, the least you can do is slop down your plate till it's squeaky clean. That way the restaurant can save money on washing less dishes.

Not only is this the kind thing to do, it's good for the environment. I'm a no on this one. I'm out. I'm out. I just think if you're going to, I just don't like if you're at a nice place, and they bring out the container to the table, and you're kind of like, you're pouring your, your, your, your, carbonara into the, into the thing and walking out with a whole restaurant's watching.

Look at this. Look at this. Fuck. They're going to go home and eat that later. Disgusting. Wow. It should happen in the kitchen. See, I really thought that one was like a four quadrant.

We were all going to agree on it. No, it's no. I got to be honest. I did not follow it. Yeah, no. Me neither. Me neither. Me neither.

Okay. Oh, but maybe you'll agree on this. No entree is allowed to cost more than $20. And if you make me pay extra for fries, guillotine. Wow. Wow. Honestly. Whoever started side not coming with sandwich.

Get out of here. Hey, do you think that of a place said, we are going to do something truly revolutionary. Our burgers come with fries and salad. That you'd become like the Jeff Bezos. places. Oh my God, honestly. If I did...

Just, hey, what about this? You can choose fries, salad, or half fries, half salad. I would love that because I always feel so embarrassed when it's like obviously fries. Obviously fries. But you just want a little salad and a couple fries. You just wanted to hear me say I don't want vegetables right now.

What is... You want to make me say it. You want to make me look you in the eyes. I like vegetables. I just sometimes don't want them. Yeah. Yeah. They them's the rules. Okay. This one.

is a special. Everyone is presumed gay until proven straight. That's right. The closet is for straight people now. Time to switch it up, John, unless I see you making passionate heterosexual love, and yeah, I'm watching.

We will assume you are a homo. I think it's a great rule. This is like the closet is like the thing Superman goes into and Superman too when he turns Zod into human. You know what You go into the closet, you press the wrong button, and then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, the guy that doesn't speak is getting shoved into the hole,

right, after Superman throws the S? Remember when he throws the S? You're like, I didn't, I'm sorry, one of his powers is throwing the S? Is throwing the S like saying a bad word? No, he literally goes, and it becomes a big cellophane S, and it like tangles up one of the goons.

And they're like, oh no, dead. We should have a movie night. Okay. They have the rules. They have to have a movie night. Movie night. Okay, and speaking of this really quick, Planner fasciitis is sexy now.

Wow. Wow, that's so cool. I mean, what could be hotter than, like, you need to stretch your calves? Yeah. Let me help you stretch your cats. Do you have one of those little balls that I could roll my foot on? I don't, but I do have a boot I wear every night to bed.

Keeps my calf engaged. That's sexy now. Yeah, exactly. That's the rules. They have the rules. You're going to love this one. All phones must use a unibody construction with vapor cooling chamber. Period, right?

They them's the rules. They dumps the rules. Also, just want to say having fidget spinners as an adult is now an act of maturity. Taking anxiety management into your own hands,

honey, that's not childish. That's called adulting. Thank you. I just want to say. They them's the rules. Whoa. Wow, great. Yeah.

For sure, for sure. That's going to get a million clicks. Back in my day, back in my day, we didn't have fidget spinners. We just fucked up a pen. Oh, yeah. We just fucked up a pen until it was busted. Bits coming off, just a pen would come apart in your hands. Blue all over your hair.

Oh, the plastic thing, ripped that thing off, open it up, close it up, fuck it up. That's what a fidget spinner was. Back in my day. Wow. Back in my day. When you rode dinosaurs to school? Yeah. They them's the rules.

All right. Leave it there. We'll be right back. And we're back. It's time to take a loving stroll through everything we said and didn't and decide whether we are filled with regret in a segment we call second thoughts. Amazing. Michael and Kelp, you have any second thoughts about something from the show? You're welcome to share as well.

First up, I did a sex in the city joke immediately followed by a citizen cane joke. Who is this show for? I compared San Antonio to Iran. I should have done more LA grocery store jokes. Those killed. Michael, I regret saying that therapy is, quote, over because I personally stopped going. I then immediately yelled at Michael Yuri about the Spanish flu.

I was there for that. Hey, Kel, I replied to you telling me about an 80s dance class with my classic host response of, wow. Wow. Why did I try to inject doubt into going to the library? Yeah. I mean, I like that I want the libraries to see.

I like the library, but it's not like the library's not like the library's not like, oh no, they didn't, people didn't borrow enough books. No, it is, though. What happens if we don't borrow enough books? They get less funding. What? And then libraries are third spaces for everyone to enjoy. Well, we have to talk off pot about this. I want the libraries.

I want the libraries. I'm supportive of the library. Somebody's like clicking how many people go in. I don't know the true inner mechanics, but I know we should all be supporting the public library. Yeah. And that's how you get an applause break. I explained the plot of Superband 2,

a film that came out in 1980. Who is this show for? I was surprised when you said Superman 2 because I was like, aren't they on Superman like 50? Do you have any regrets? Any regrets? Just that I had probably five. 500 more they them's the rules we could have gotten to.

Yeah. I had one, I was thinking, for you. Just a personalized they them's the rule. Let's hear it. Not a they them's the rule. Just a rule for me. No, a second thought for you. Oh, great.

What do you think it should be? I was thinking that it's actually okay to just take the question, who would you want to have dinner with, dead or alive at face value? That it's okay to kind of just let that one be a get-to-know-you question. But see, then I guess you don't really want to get to know me because this is how, if you asked me that question I wouldn't have learned a lot about you.

Right, you've certainly gotten to know me, right? Is what's better like, uh, uh, uh, I don't know, Willie Nelson? And you're like, I think the problem was you ask Michael. And then I interrupted. Right, I actually never got to, did he ever say anybody? I did. And that would be my regret. I said, when you asked me who I would want to have dinner with dead or alive, I said John Lovett dead.

Oh, you did. That's what it was. That was scary. But the truth is, I don't want to. And that's our show. Michael Yuri, Kelkrais. Thank you all for being here. There are 146 days until the midterm elections.

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