Lovett or Leave It - Calamity Bannon

Episode Date: August 19, 2017

A week that began with marching ends with marching orders. Larry Wilmore, Gaby Dunn, and Langston Kerman join Jon to discuss the latest White House shake up and the fallout from Charlottesville. Plus GOP operative Tim Miller stops by for a new segment called "The Cuck Zone" and Jon learns in real time why a Kardashian is on the rant wheel.

Hey guys. Thank you for coming out. As always I see some great merch I see a repeal I see you I see you you can point at yourself

but your clothes point at you we have a great show tonight I don't know how to keep coming out on this stage week after week and trying to note that we've had yet another absolutely

absurd and appalling week and this week especially is like it's not even fun absurd, it was like evil and depressing but culminated today in some interesting developments,

which we'll get to. We'll get to all of it. Thanks for coming out to the improv. Guys, now hear this on September 8th in New York City. You can buy tickets. We'll be at that comedy festival in New York. NowHearThisFest.com. Just doing a little housekeeping.

All right? Surprised you with it. And also, if you like the show, subscribe. Give us a good review, you know? Obviously, some baby boomers who were offended by some of the things I said. I see you, and I am so grateful that you are here. And I, as always, am once again approaching Baby Boomers with nuance and respect, given the iron fist with which Baby Boomers rule Facebook comments.

And you've shown your power. All right? And obviously, I don't respond to anything but fear. Okay, guys. And obviously I don't respond to anything but fear. Okay, guys, before we get to our panel, I did want to run through a few of the crazy things that have been happening very quickly because it's not just been a crazy week. It's actually been an absolutely insane month.

And CNN's Brooke Baldwin ran through all the things that had happened in the previous month. And it's really worth checking out, but I wanted to just run through some of the things that she highlighted because she put it all together, and it is bananas. So here's where we're at. This month, Trump has fired Bannon, fired Priebus, hired the mooch, fired the mooch,

hired John Kelly, publicly shamed his attorney general. Failed at repeal and replace. Shamed the GOP who voted no. Tweeted a trans-Jerry military ban, which was then renounced by the military. Got political in a Boy Scout speech. Made up a Boy Scout leader call. Thanked Putin for expelling Americans.

Begrudgingly signed onto Russian sanctions. Condemned and then endorsed as White House leaked. Encouraged cops to rough up suspects. Publicly shamed Mitch McConnell, threatened North Korea with nukes, tells Guam it'll help tourism, threatens Venezuela, blames both

sides in Charlottesville, denials his white supremacist, returns to blaming both sides, says that there are some fine people at the rally, shames CEOs who ditched the business council, disbanded the business councils, considered a pardon for Sheriff Arpaio, who's a scumbag, promoted his Charlottesville winery, pushed a myth during a terrorist attack, received condemnations from Democrats, Republicans, former presidents, world leaders, allies, his own staff, and the Pope.

With that, I'd like to welcome our panel. own staff and the Pope. With that, I'd like to welcome our panel. She is the host of the Bad With Money podcast and an author of the book, I Hate Everyone With You, which comes out September 5th, Gabby Dunn. Hi, Gabby. He is a television producer, comedian, and host of the podcast Black on the Air. Please welcome Larry Wilmore. Larry almost went down, but he made it. I almost fell there. Thanks, guys. They're like, no, Larry, we can't lose you. I'm so close to the stage.

He is a comedian and actor from Comedy Central and HBO. Please welcome Langston Kerman. Hey, they should have put me first. No. I'm happy with the order. Okay, guys. Let's get into it. What a week. Are you okay?

I'm great. I mean, look. You know, we're all... I'm great. Yeah. How are you guys? It's exhausting. It really... I mean, it used to be like, okay, what happened this week? Then it's like, okay, what happened today? It's like, okay, what the fuck just happened? I mean, it's like an electron half-life, the amount of time that passes between the shit that you think is going to destroy the Earth and the shit that is currently now going to destroy the Earth.

Yeah, it's... World historic events are happening every five to ten minutes. Which is... Doris Kearns Goodwin is going fucking nuts right now. Doris Kearns Goodwin is locked in a room at the Mandarin Oriental, coked out of her mind, writing 23 hours

a day. Teddy Roosevelt never would have done this. Calm down, Doris. So let's start with the most recent development. Let's start with Steve Bannon was dismissed from his position. What? I'm just kidding. He was dismissed from his position as White House chief strategist.

His dismissal followed an interview he did with the American prospect in which he bad-mouthed colleagues and mocked officials as, quote, wetting themselves over the consequences of changing trade policy. For the past week, there have been rumors that he was going to fire him. There's also been a lot of people on the alt-right threatening blackmail and retribution if he were to be fired.

But he's been removed. There's, you know, all kinds of, all these people are liars, so who knows? Was he fired? Was he resigned? The exact machinations, who cares? Here's what Bannon said to the Weekly Standard after he was dismissed. Quote,

I've been sucking my own dick this whole time. You got me. You have to read it like that. You know, Larry, I'm so glad you did that because I wanted to do that, but I lack the courage. Here's what he said to the Weekly Standard. I feel jacked up. Now I'm free. I've got my hands back.

Same, same. Literally me. I've got my hands back on my weapons. Someone said, it's Bannon the Barbarian. I am definitely my hands back on my weapons. Someone said, it's Bannon the Barbarian. I am definitely going to crush the opposition. There's no doubt. I built a fucking machine at Breitbart,

and now I'm about to go back, knowing what I know, and we're about to rev that machine up and rev it up, we will do. Now, I know what you're thinking. Is this the last third of Boogie Nights? It is not. It's some of the most important

and powerful people in the world. What a great suicide note. If you're going to kill yourself, I'm jacked up, baby. Ben and the barbarians back. As he drives off a cliff. He just sucks his own horcrux to death. There it is.

You know, I'm so disappointed that that worked on you people, this horcrux stuff. I don't know what that is. Yeah! Millennials, baby! I just wanted to point out that all that is about him going back to run a website

with deceptive news articles. That's what he's referring to. That's his great and powerful machine. The crypto-Nazi White House wasn't as freeing as the fully Nazi website can be. He feels it was constraining. Yeah, it's holding him back. Larry, I'll start with you. Do you feel like this matters? Does this matter that Bannon leave? Is this a win that we should take a moment and celebrate? Or is this a distraction ultimately from the fact that Trump is still Trump?

of his crew, and I hate to see him go. You know what I mean? To be honest, at this point, they're all bad, right? We agree that none of them are going to come in and be better. He's not going to hire a new person. He's going to be kind of awesome. So let them be ugly and funny. You know what I mean?

And Bannon, he was fucking ugly and funny. And now we're going to get probably a more handsome, moderate version of a racist, and that's not as fun Yeah, I mean there is Where's the fun in that? We've already seen that right there is something to be said for the fact that this week you had Trump go in front of the cameras and basically apologize for white supremacists And then you have all of these supposedly reasonable adults that work at the White House kind of privately wincing and privately

expressing their concern and Bannon being like I think it's great I think this is top notch Bannon he doesn't even dog whistle that's a fucking wolf whistle it's just an all out construction worker hey racism I can't even whistle right now.

I say racism, my whistle doesn't work all of a sudden. Damn racism, you thick as hell, dog. Even his skin can't take him anymore, you know, it's turning against him. It seems to happen often with these people, but their

outsides do start to look like their insides. Oh, yeah. It's just a weird problem. It's like also there was this video circulating of this Boston University student, I believe, who found himself being criticized for the fact that he showed up at a white supremacist rally. That was the best thing I've ever seen.

And he's like, I can't believe these people would judge me without knowing me as a person. I could have come just from watching that. It was the best thing I've ever seen. It was incredible. He was crying. I watched it like

four or five times. It was so good. He was like crying and then he was like, these people don't know me. How could they judge me because they don't know me? And I was like,

you were at a white supremacist rap. Like, what else do you need to know? Which is also like, that's what it is. Hi, I'm a white supremacist. I love pina coladas and taking walks in the rain. It's like, no.

I know everything about the Sopranos, and I'm a white Soprano. But all I was going to say is that the guy looked 40. And so I was like, that's weird how it ages you. But we're going to get to all of that. I want to stay on Bannon for a second, because I think over the past six months, there's been

an incredible amount of coverage around the machinations inside the White House you have the globalist cucks and you have the nationalists you have Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon and and Gorka then you have Gary and Ivanka and Jared and then you know there's who's up and who's down but in the end there hasn't been that much of a variation in what Trump has done. And so, I don't know how you reconcile the fact that it does feel like an important victory that someone like Steve Bannon is no longer at the White House,

but at the same time, the reason someone like that could be at the White House is because someone like Trump is in the White House, which is the central problem, and that certainly won't change. Yeah, do you think he was just like, I got it, take it from here, I'll take it from here. You know, I don't need you anymore. Like, he's become Bannon, maybe. It's like the end

of a bad movie about a teacher and she just says, I have nothing else to teach you. Yeah, I mean, if you're already eating a shit taco, it really doesn't matter how many onions are not on it anymore. Or what the garnish to it is.

It's still a fucking shit taco. Cilantro? Cilantro, that's what I was trying to find. Thank you. Cilantro. I got you. Makes a difference in a shit taco. I agree.

The shit taco tastes like soap. Sorry. I was like too cute. I'm sorry. Do you have that thing? Can you taste cilantro? No, I eat everything I'm garbage

We're off topic Sorry I derailed Sorry I'm sorry I'm just so fascinated With those people That can't eat cilantro I'll march about that I don't give a fuck

I'll light a torch You people don't belong here You're ruining Chipotle Hands up Don't garnish That's what I said You're ruining Chipotle. Hands up, don't garnish. That's what I said. I don't know what there's left to say about Steve Bannon. I guess it's... Fundamentally, I don't understand why he's left.

Right? Like, I don't understand... Well, it doesn't mean he's not going to have influence. I mean, Trump... For Trump, it's all a narcissism game. And Bannon can't serve him if he's getting more attention than Trump while he's in the same house. So he has to leave the house, and then it doesn't matter how much attention he gets. But it's all about what Bannon wants to do. And now all Trump has to do is read Breitbart and get his policy positions,

as opposed to listen to him coughing up blood in the next room. So it's a lot easier now. Stop sucking your own cock. What's wrong with you? Yes, you're going to cough up blood if you keep doing that. Is that what happens? Sorry to keep educating you on this.

They just have to put a cone on Bannon by the end of it. Just one of those dog cones. Yeah, he won't stop sucking his own dick. He just won't stop. We don't know what to do. We tried to get him fixed. Even the dog is like,

I don't even lick my balls that much. I don't know what's going on. He's licked all the hair off of his weird. Are we doing a good job? You guys... You guys are... Killing it? Crushing it?

Crushing it? This has been... Yay! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A delight. Close out on Bannon only by saying that it is fascinating to me

that Bannon has led this populist, sort of racist insurgency inside the White House. But finally, ultimately, what was his undoing was being the subject of a book by Josh Green because it was too much attention. It's the ultimate sin for Trump. But let's move on to the topic we've all been discussing all week, which is Charlottesville. I think we all know what happened there.

Hundreds of young white men showed up in torches and polo shirts chanting things like, White Lives Matter, Jews Will Not Replace Us, and Blood and Soil, which is a Nazi slogan. The following day, there was a, quote, Unite the Right, end quote, rally that turned violent. A car driven by one of these white supremacists plowed through a crowd of people, killing Heather Heyer. Donald Trump released a statement denouncing violence on many sides. He then on Tuesday gave an absolutely unhinged press conference in which he referred to fine people on the white supremacist side and was basically unhinged and lost the thread, which ended in a lot of condemnation, but also a lot of mealy mouth statements from Republicans. Let's just sort of step back. I mean, what did you learn from the response to Trump from the wider country, but

also from Republicans in Washington? What did you take away from it? I also want to quickly add that it was white women as well. Yeah. That's a good. I don't like this whole thing of like white women on Twitter absolving themselves of white supremacy. Very strange to me. That wasn't the question, but I didn't want to interrupt here. No, no. I'm glad you did. I'm glad you piped up. I'm glad you said it. What have you thought about the response?

We all know what Trump said is appalling. What have you thought of the response to it? The thing is, it's interesting because circuses aren't that big a deal anymore, you know? So it's interesting to see all the contortioning that Trump does of his body. I mean, he is a contortionist whenever he has to talk about white nationalism or racism because he loves it, you know? He can't, he's for that.

So he can't, it's hard for him to act like he's not, you know? And he's been for that for years and years. The way he talked about Central Park Five, the whole birther argument against Obama, that was purely rooted in racism, delegitimizing the first black president. So he's an asshole, as far as I'm concerned, when he's trying...

Yeah, I mean, he can't hide the fact that he's an asshole, so that's what he's up there trying to do. Not trying to give the comfort he should be giving to a country that just went through this, especially this poor woman who lost her life. He should be most concerned about that. Not trying to, you know, coddle on many sides. On many sides.

He doesn't want to lose his base. He's worried about alienating who put him in the White House, I think. I also think he's just an oppositional person. You see it. He has a base and people like him. The Republicans will kind of be fucking with him. Then at some point he just has to say no.

As soon as they kind of seem like they're on the same side. He's like, no, I can't. I gotta say white people are better. I have to. And he doesn't have to. If there was anything in him that wasn't full ego all the time, he could sit back and be like, no, this is wrong. It's gross.

I hate it. And then move on and believe white people are better his whole career. But he has to say it out loud. Yeah, he obviously has no control over this. I mean, he managed to turn this entire incident into something about him and about his ego and his wounds and how he was

treated. And obviously, I think what Larry said is true. Long before Steve Bannon ever showed up on his doorstep with flowers, he was talking about the Central Park Five. Or with his cock in his mouth. With his cock in his mouth. Trying to reach the doorbell.

See, he's funny. We're going to miss him. I think he's going to be around. I don't think you're going to miss him. But Trump, the disingenuous part where he says there are fine people who are trying to hold on to racist imagery, that doesn't even make sense. Who are the fine people who are there and then somebody next to you is like, we will not have Jews replace us.

Fuck the niggers. Hey, man, you want to march with us? We're fine people. We want to march with you. with you. How easy going are you that you're there to protest the teardown of a statue and then all of a sudden there's a Nazi next to you

and you're like, meh. Nice coat, man. Is that brown? What is that? Makes no sense. One other thing that Trump said in his rambling speech. Also, it doesn't matter. We have bigger fish to fry,

but every part of the Trump operation at the White House is garbage, including the advance. You don't set up a podium in an echoey lobby in front of the elevators. Like, the country is in crisis, and you're speaking in a fucking vestibule. It doesn't matter.

It's like, it doesn't matter. But... No, John, you're wrong. Those are gold elevators. I'm going to go ahead and push back here. Those are made of gold. Agree to disagree. Agree to disagree. But one of the other things he said was

Dora Man's delivering him packages while he's standing there. He's signing for things? No, you gotta use your card to get to that floor. You gotta use your card. But one of the things... People have gym shorts coming out.

Jim's on the lobby. Jim's on 6. Jim's on 6. One of those places where the gym's on 6. So... One of the things Trump said is he referred to the alt-left. He said that there's the alt-right and he referred to the alt-left. He said that there's the alt-right and then there's the alt-left. And Larry, I know this is something you were sort of bothered by. Yeah.

Where does this term alt-left come from? And why does it matter that Trump is using it? Well, they're trying to create a false equivalency. It's really the alt-right or the wrong and the alt-left or the correct. You know, one is on the correct side of history and the other is on the wrong side of history. The alt-right is there to resist every single progression in society, whether it's sexual, whether it's gender, whether it's just accepting anything that moves the earth forward.

They want to stay in that eclipse on Monday for as long as they can. You know what? I think we could convince some of them that we did the eclipse, like in a Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. Who's with me on that? And get some real concessions during that 20 minute window we'll bring it back but none of the arguments

none of their arguments ever make sense like when they say you gotta get over slavery, slavery happened so long ago, get over it, slavery was around for thousands of years right in America alone it was a good couple hundred years of marinating yet the confederacy lasted four fucking years,

and yet they don't have to get over that shit. They can hold on to that for infinity. We got to hold on to the Confederacy. It was four years. Also, it was like they're like, get over your loss that happened nine months ago, but they're not supposed to get over their loss that was in the 1800s. But the all right as a term is a fiction too.

It's just... Nazis. You're racist. Yeah. But if you say I'm racist, it ruins dinner. So you don't say I'm racist, you say I'm all right, and then everybody's like, oh, okay. More ceviche, please.

Where are these racists getting dinner it sounds good El Compadre oh that's nice it's dark in there yeah there was this weird

even like up until this past week I feel like there was this weird reluctance too for people to concede that the alt-right was Nazis

or was white supremacy. Like, there was this whole thing of like, no, we throw the word Nazi around, blah, blah, blah. And then this week, white people primarily were like, never mind, they're Nazis. Clay Aiken tweeted about it. He apologized. He said, I'm sorry I defended Trump.

For going on American Idol? Yeah, runner-up. Yeah. He apologized. He said, I'm sorry I defended Trump. Or going on American Idol? Yeah. Run her out. Yeah. He apologized. He said, I'm sorry I've defended Trump all this time. I was wrong. Ruben was the rightful winner. Thank you, Clay Aiken. Finally. Finally.

I've been following him for that specific reason. Clay Aiken. Yeah, I that specific reason. Clay Aiken. Yeah, I don't fuck with Clay Aiken. That motherfucker's on Trump's side, right? He's been secretly posting anti-Rubin Studdard memes. Just under a pseudonym for years. Organized this whole thing because he's been carrying around this baggage. Finally ready to let it go.

Is Rubin Studdard a Muslim? Where's his birth certificate? To that point, there is something to be said for the truth in the grim wide open. That there's some value to what happened in the past week because alt-right, it's clear what that is. It's clear what this all represents. There was no ignoring what Trump really believes that he, you know. No more of this economic anxiety bullshit.

Right. Well, like, you know, it is very clear where Trump's sympathies lie, and there was no way for these people to escape from it, which is, I think, why you saw the final dissolution of the business councils. You saw a few Republicans willing to call Trump out by name, but far too many sticking to their usual criticizing racism generally, but refusing to actually name

Trump. But is this a change? I did want to wrap up the Charlevoix conversation. Are we actually seeing something different, or in one week from now, am I going to be up here saying i can't believe this past week and talking about a whole new bunch of crazy shit and we've moved on well i think it was a change for white people because there's like just like this is not a thing that's new to anyone other than white people uh and so i think like i i would hope that there would be a lot of

inward, like, more inner introspection and more looking towards your family members and being willing to confront your family members and, like, seeing everything as more dire and rather than just being like, well, we have different politics and we don't talk about it. Or I stay

out of politics because I'm just not a political person. Like, that can't be a thing anymore. I think... I think the challenge with calling it a change is that at the end of the day, you know, I was joking about Bannon being dope and we should keep him, but... At the end of the day, he sort of is like,

I'm so sorry if that wasn't clear ahead of time. Totally a bit. But no, I think at the end of the day, he's going to be a sacrifice for the sustaining of this whole thing. So they're going to cut him off. And he's the easiest target for saying, yo, this dude is racist. him off and he's the easiest target for saying yo this dude is racist and then we're going to get a slightly less racist version of that or at least outwardly racist version of that thing and then it's just going to keep the train going so it's not the the change is in my opinion very like minor it's like literally a change in pieces more than it is a change in like experience for anybody else

involved i'm very pessimistic about it because I don't think we've seen a creature quite like this. People are using logic and humanity and moral ways to stop this monster that even Godzilla can't recognize at this point. We don't know how to do this because the grab them by the pussy didn't stop him from becoming president. It only emboldened the people. When he makes the kinds of statements that he does where he doubles down, his followers double down in following him.

If you look at some of the polls of the people who really like him, they like him more when he does those things, not less. Because they think that he – Trump's narrative all the time is not even that he's right or wrong, but that he's under attack. And the people who follow Trump also feel he's under attack. So anytime he fights back, they feel, well, of course he's fighting back. He's under attack.

You know, it's that median. So anytime he does that, he's not losing. He's not losing for the people. I unfortunately predicted that he would be elected this time, and I think he's going to be reelected if this, you know. I know. Sorry to bum you out.

Sorry, guys. Sorry, not sorry. You guys are on the fence. No, I think that's worth keeping in mind. Look, I think that's worth keeping in mind. Unless people get out and do the right thing and really vote and take it seriously, you know. You have to take it seriously.

Obama said, don't boo, vote. Thank you. That was my Obama. It was great. I thought he was here. But – Is it where? What?

Well, no, I think that's right. Look, we're all still kind of walking around still in a daze because it always felt like Trump was to find gravity. And we thought the election was supposed to be the final. He's running across the cliff and he's supposed to look down and fall. But he looked straight

down and just kept running and made it to the other side and ate the roadrunner. And so now the roadrunner's dead. The coyote is bored and angry and blaming the media. Not knowing that there's a roadrunner on many sides. Right, that's right. There was aggression on both sides.

You know, one was trying to eat one. The roadrunner dropped an anvil. Right, to protect itself. When we come back, we're going to play OK Stop. But before we do, my friend Tim Miller, who is a Republican operative and never Trumper, is in the house. He happened to be in town. And he had a few rants he wanted to direct at us. And so, guys, give it up for Tim Miller.

Tim, here, I take Gabby's because in case I have to shut you down I want to have a mic Tim you have 30 seconds the floor is yours Hey everybody it's good to be here in West Hollywood at the foot of the Fred Siegel and across Podmerica from Boys Town to Logan Circle

it's nice to be here in the liberal bubble I have four rants my first one is about you fucking people as John said I'm a cuck. You're in the cuck zone right now. And I worked for Republicans my whole life. I went out and I was visibly opposed to Donald Trump. And so I gained some liberal followers on social media.

And now anytime I say anything conservative, you people call me Nazis and ask me how I can sleep at night. And it's like, okay, I don't want you to get rid of Robert E. Lee's call me Nazis and ask me how I can sleep at night. And it's like, okay, I don't want you to get rid of Robert E. Lee's bust and replace it with me. That'd be all right. But maybe don't call me a Nazi anymore. And if you guys are going to win next time

and not lose, like Larry said, you need pals. So, I mean, look at poor Mitt Romney. Four years ago, this was a nice Mormon gentleman. Okay? He had been with his wife His wife of 50 years was the first person he kissed

And then his crime That you guys called him a vicious sexist for Was having a binder full of resumes Of women he wanted to hire He wanted to hire these women And now You guys called him a sexist creep And now you have the guy that literally grabbed women

by the fucking vagina against their will, and that's the guy you have now. So you're going to need cucks like me and Mitt Romney next time. Not just socialists, so be nice to us, and rant. Thank you, Tim. Give it up for Tim. When we come back, okay, stop. That was awesome.

Don't go anywhere. This is Love It or Leave It, and there's more on the way. Can I push back a little bit? Sure. I don't want a man who's only kissed one lady to be my president. I don't want it. All right, I'm bringing us back because that's too funny. I want that in the show. All right, we're back. I don't want it. All right, I'm bringing us back because that's too funny.

I want that in the show. All right, we're back. I don't want that. If he had run with Clinton, it would have been perfect. All right. Now, thank you. And now, for a game we call OK Stop.

Here's how it works. We watch a video, and as we go, we stop it to comment. This week, we're going to play a video featuring Boris Epstein. He is the chief political analyst for Sinclair Broadcast Group. He is a former Trump person, and this is a conservative TV giant that owns and operates 173 stations in 33 states and D.C. Every week he produces a 90-second video which Sinclair dictates must be aired on its stations nationwide. How can I do that?

You have to, I mean, what you have to do is unholy to get to this point. So I just would say maybe think of a, let's try something. It's a lot of time and effort. I got time. You got time. Let's roll the clip. The sky is blue. Does the president have to repeat that fact day in and day out for us to believe it?

No, he does not. Okay, stop. Okay, yeah. Great. Say this shit to me on Monday, motherfucker. I don't think the sky is going to be blue on Monday. So there you go. Eclipse.

Who are my eclipse people in the house? The sky changes color. An innocent woman, Heather Heyer, was killed. A man connected to the hate groups is under arrest for her murder. Scores of others were injured. There were also counter protests. In response, the president has said the following. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty

that bring us together as Americans. Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are... Okay, stop. Can I say he's doing way better reading than I predicted. Just in general. Because you can see him reading pretty clearly and he's doing pretty good. And we don't give him enough credit as a reader. I agree.

I don't like the way he said we must rediscover the bonds. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I'll tell you what that means. That means that C-plus Santa Monica fascist Stephen Miller, who could never get a job as a speechwriter for any Democrat or Republican administration, lucked his way into this job because nobody is smart enough and racist enough to do it. It's hard to be both and to have that job.

And so when he decides to stretch his gifts, he ends up sounding like a bad spec script for the West Wing. Oh my God. Including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and

other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. For many expressing outrage, that is not good enough. They're unhappy with the timing of the comments. Okay, stop. But didn't he say that only after he said some dumb shit? So this was his in-between. This was the brief moment.

This was Monday, I believe. Sunday, he fucks up. And then Tuesday, he really fucks up. But Monday is when he read this hostage statement. So it's like... Yeah. So it's like

on Sunday he punched a cat. Then Monday he was like, I'm sorry, and he fed the cat. And then on Tuesday he threw the cat off a cat. Then Monday he was like I'm sorry and he fed the cat. And then on Tuesday he threw the cat off a cliff. Right, and Boris' point is why does he not get credit for feeding the cat on Monday?

And by the way, it wasn't good food he fed that cat. It was shitty food, but he was like alright, you can eat today. The president correctly acknowledged that there was hate and violence coming from the left as well representative steve scalese and three others shot in the alexandria baseball field have the bullet wounds to prove that there's plenty of hate and violence

from the left wow okay stop i was just gonna say that's some exploitative shit right yeah well it's look the thing that so first of all boris has no it's, look, the thing that's, so, first of all, Boris has no, it's like, it really has a real Banana Republic vibe to it, because he has no business being on television other than the fact that he is a willing propagandist. The idea that you're connecting the shooting of Steve Scalise to the violence

that happened in Charlottesville is obviously absurd. These are unconnected events, but they're trying anyway to draw some kind of a false equivalence. Also, this is something that is being slipped in between weather and sports. No, but that's important. It's very dangerous. It's the most dangerous.

It's insidious in the same way that Trump allies have bought up the magazines on supermarket shelves at the checkout, because this is the stuff that the journalist class don't watch every night. They're not, local news is really, really popular, but it's not popular amongst people who tweet about politics

for a living and write about politics for a living and are on CNN all day. And the people that consume it are not on Twitter, they're not on social media, they're not seeing anything else. And so this is one of the most powerful tools that the Trump people have. And this is what is on every night. Well, it's a false equivalency. I don't like, I don't mind

drawing comparisons if they're fair, you know. But if you're pushing back, I mean, let's think about it. The Scalise thing was horrible. And it appeared to be, those types of shootings are usually people that are unhinged. They have some of personal agenda but they're not with a group of people marching you know it appeared that and that's happened to different types of people people have shot presidents who have been like that you know that's happened in our society in different ways right it's a horrible thing this um when people are marching saying jews will not replace us uh saying nigger just freely and saying these things if you push back against that, you're not the same as what they're doing.

It's not the same. I would never look at pictures of the ghetto in Warsaw being terrorized by the Nazis, and if I saw Jews fighting back, I would say, wow, there's violence on both sides going on there. Oh, my God. I mean, that's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. You know?

So even the nature of the false equivalency, the desire to even bring up something on the other side is disingenuous. Just deal with that on its own. And granted, much of the media will excuse a lot of things that happen on the left that are nasty more than they should. And they should be taken into account for that.

But they should, I wish people would cover these things when they happen and cover that thing, you know. And why are other shooters lone wolves, but this guy is somehow representative of the left? Like, that's weird. The shooter was a left-wing activist. The bottom line is this. I am Jewish. Members of my family died in the Holocaust. Okay, stop.

Stop. Stop. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Like, no. My, no. Hoo boy. I'm also Jewish. And I tweeted, like, well, I checked in on my grandmother.

She's a Holocaust survivor. And I and I tweeted like my grandmother did not survive the Holocaust as a teenager take a boat to this country so she could have another Nazi takeover like that's no absolutely not like you I know he's like a hired shill and I shouldn't

I shouldn't feel like he might have any morals or anything to him but pulling out the Jewish card to be like, well, I'm Jewish and I think this is like, that's great. I'm Jewish and I think you're a fuckhead. They're unrelated. They're unrelated. The other thing is this is not the hill to die on. What's interesting

about this week and the reason why I said I really like what you said, there are a lot of people on the right who are speaking out properly against this right now. Many Republicans, people that aren't in politics. Because this is different. This kind of hate speech, people on the right and the left should not like it. Many people are speaking against it. And he should not be even giving the appearance that he's defending anything like this. He shouldn't be making a speech for this

issue. He should be doing this for something else, a purely political one, but not for this one. That's the kind of blindness that I don't understand. Why are people so happy to follow someone with that accent? He's got a clear speech impediment.

And we're just you're following this that's not inspiring send him to the class he also just he has no this man has the charisma of an apple core

it's no business being on television. After he ate the whole bucket of apples, apparently. Parents, grandparents, and I came to this beautiful country as refugees from anti-Semitism. I know what it is like to live in a country... Okay, stop. Of course, just to note that many Jewish refugees

were turned away and died in the Holocaust in a manner not dissimilar to the way that Donald Trump would like to turn away refugees seeking homes and safety in this country. Which of course has to be pointed out because these people are despicable. Let's finish this clip. Where the leaders are anti-semitic. This is not it. The president stating the fact that the fringes of the left and the right are both capable of- Okay stop. The literal first image is a swastika. The first image that shows... The literal first image is a swastika.

The first image that shows it's not his face is a swastika. I've seen anti-Semitism. This is not it. Okay, then what is? I would love to know what is. Yeah, it's not a...

They're not doing a reenactment. You know? Violence does not mean he's condoning any of it. Like, this is the thing, is that he thinks that when it starts happening, he's going to be saved, but he, like, won't be. Like, you're a Jew.

Your name is Boris Epstein. Like, they're not going to be like, oh, were you the guy who did those segments? You know what? No. You don't have to go to the camps. You're fine. You're fine.

Like, that's not going to happen. I don't think he's very good on TV. I think that's the bottom line for me. And whoever is tailoring their suits isn't doing a good job. They all have oversized suits. It goes back to my point. Up and down the line, there's no good people working these projects. They don't have good suit people.

They don't have good advanced people. They don't have good suit people. They don't have good advanced people. They don't have good speech people. They don't have good, hey, you're a racist. Stop it, people. They don't have the people that they need. You would think they'd have at least that person. That one person, yeah, it's supposed to be Jared and Ivanka, but they're always on fucking vacation. Unbelievable.

You know what? I'm not even... Dilettantes. Done with them. I don't know You know what? I'm not even... Dilettantes. Done with them. I don't know anything about Jared and Ivanka. I'm sure they're privately very concerned

and just wish that there was more that they could do. Pathetic. Guys, before we play Too Stupid to Be True, we're calling it the cuck zone, Tim?

Now for a segment we call the cuck zone. Let's welcome back Tim Miller. Thank you so much. Okay, so this rant is about how the media just is obsessed with treating Trump like he's normal and the people that are going to come in and work for him, like it's going to be a change,

there's going to be a difference. Here is, I literally picked this up outside at the bodega for those who can't see on the pod, this is John Kelly, Trump's best hope. This is the cover of Time Magazine. Do they realize this is a fucking weekly? Are you kidding me? They put this on the thing and then two minutes

later, Trump was out there talking about Nazis and how they're very fine people. What do you think John Kelly is doing at the end of that press conference? He's like, well, sir, you were supposed to talk about our infrastructure plan, but instead you talked about how Robert E. Lee is like George Washington, and you called Jim Acosta fake news 92 times.

The problem is not these people in the square offices. Bannon leaving, as you guys say, is not going to make any difference. The problem is the shit taco in the Oval Office and none of this is going to matter. We've got to stop pretending like it does. Thank you, Tim. Thank you for helping us introduce a new segment we

call the Cuck Zone, which I love. We come back. Too stupid to be true. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. And we're back. Now for a game called Too Stupid to be True. We're going to leave all of this in.

All right, guys, beneath each of your chairs is a card. And on that card is a quote. I have one as well. Three of them are things that people actually said. One of them is too stupid to be true. Hi. Hi. What's your name?

Christina. Christina. Yes. Have you been paying close attention to the news this week? I haven't been able to this week, so hopefully I do okay. You know what, though? That's good, because it'd be nice if one time somebody lost this game.

Yay! Christina, we are going to be reading you quotes about Confederate monuments and the arguments people made in their favor, okay? Three of them are real. One of them is not. It will be your job to suss out the fake.

You will be playing for a three-month gift card to Blue Bottle Coffee. Alright, I'm going to go first, okay? When you tear down a memorial, you tear down history, and it's dangerous, because libraries are no match for statues in the town

square. Statues come to the people. You have to go to books, and don't forget, books can burn. Okay. Gabby, you're up with quote number two. Wow, I don't know how to follow it. Okay. Nothing

is worse than a Yankee telling a Southerner that his monuments don't matter. After they tear down Lee and Beauregard, they're coming for Washington and Jefferson. Hashtag historical vandalism. Christina, keep them both in your mind. You're doing great. You're not saying much,

but you're thinking. I'm thinking. I'm mulling everything over. Larry, you're up. Okay, should I do this to my Southern gentleman? Sure. Future generations will not have a means to adequately appreciate the heroic story of Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. raised up out of Georgia

without the carving at Stone Mountain to serve as his monumental antipode to document the enormity of what he and his movement were up against. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Can I? Now, Christina, that may be true. It may not be true.

I don't want you to take that realistic performance. I don't want it to cloud your judgment. It's burned in my brain now. Good, good. I can't forget it. Unmitigated. Can I just say I love that he's talking about Stone Mountain Because I've been to Stone Mountain

And they do a laser light show So I don't know how Classy or whatever it's supposed to be Important It's a dope laser light show Langston you are up Mitch You know we cannot change history,

but we can change our activities in life and learn from our past. This is called positive evolution. I ask you, Mitch, should the pyramids in Egypt be destroyed since they were built entirely from slave labor? Fair and healthy freedom is the answer to why our country is so great! Exclamation point. So, Christina, this is tough. Okay, so here's what you got.

I'll just remind you of what your options are. You have statues come to the people. You have nothing worse than a Yankee telling a Southern or something in that Washington and Jefferson are next. You have the performance of Showboat. The performance of

Showboat? Or what was that musical about a steamboat? Showboat. What's that musical about a showboat? What was that? And you have what's next? Will they tear down the pyramids What's that musical about a showboat? What was that? I can't remember. And you have, what's next? Will they tear down the pyramids in Egypt?

Which I have to say, I don't believe the U.S. has that authority. I know, I mean, I think, I mean, I guess we could at any time, but anything is possible. Donald Trump's like, I've called the Sphinx. I've talked to the Sphinx personally. We should tell Trump the I've called the Sphinx. I've talked to the Sphinx personally. We should tell Trump the riddle of the Sphinx, and then his head will explode. Christina, enough dawdling. It's time for you to pick.

Okay. I think yours is too stupid to be true. Christina, you've won the game. Thank you to Christina for playing. She has won the blue bottle coffee. Guys, when we come back,

the rant will butt first. It is time for yet another visit to the cuck zone. Please welcome back Tim Miller. This wasn't so much a rant More of a plea And it's about the fucking mooch And I really don't have that much control here

And you as liberal elites All across Podmerica are the ones that I look to The mooch, I don't know if you noticed this week Is trying to rehabilitate himself He was on Stephen Colbert Making jokes and Stephen had him on, which I thought was disgusting. He's on Twitter tut-tutting the president.

This fucker humiliated himself to be the communications director for Mr. Central Park Five, Berther, Mexicans are rapists, blah, blah, blah, and now he gets a moral conscience because he wants to get invited to shit in New York.

You people need to shun him. I do not want to see him at the Met Ball giggling with Larry. He has to take that gaudy fucking suit and go back to New Jersey. Thank you, Tim. That was the cut zone. When we come back to the rant wheel?

Don't go anywhere. This is Love It or Leave It, and there's more on the way. And we're back. Now, for the rant wheel, you know how it works. We spin it and we rant on the topics as they land. Here's what we've got this week. We've got the term alt-left, the hashtag this is not us,

Colin Kaepernick, private wincing by Republicans, news outlets quote pivoting to video, spoilers, an audience suggestion, and I think something about Kim Kardashian made it on the wheel, but I really hope it doesn't land there because I have no idea what it's about.

I'll tell you. I'll tell you about it. Maybe you'll have to handle it. I'm here for your Kim K news. Thank you. Thank you. Because I did not prepare. Let's spin the wheel. Okay. Kim, Kim, Kim, Kim. Okay. It has landed on spoilers

and I have to start with an apology. About a week ago, I did something that I regret. And that is, I put a spoiler in the first ad of Pod Save America. is I put a spoiler in the first ad of Pod Save America. And it was an accident because there were actually two spoilers. And I didn't realize how specific the first one was. And we did take the show down and edit it out, but not before several hundred thousand people

had heard it. It didn't seem as specific at the time. The point is, none of us is perfect. And we are all human. And I do believe that the Freudian death drive is one that causes us to want to spoil shows for each other. That when you tell someone you haven't seen a movie that they have seen, they're always like,

oh my God, you're going to love it. And you're like, don't spoil it. Like, I know, I know, I won, I won. Anyway, there's apparently been some hacked shit about Game of Thrones and there's spoilers floating around. It's a very dangerous time. But I take spoilers very seriously.

We all need to respect. You know, everybody goes into things having read so much stuff. I went into the new Star Wars movie, A Force Awakens, with earplugs on because I did not want to hear the spoilers from the children leaving the 4.30 show. And that's kind of purity, I think,

has made me the subject of scorn and mockery amongst my friends, some who host a podcast with me. I don't have anything to say about it. You guys have any thoughts on spoilers? I just had one bad, spoiling incident happen to me, but this was years ago. This was like when the first Batman movie came out. And the people...

Was it that he's Bruce Wayne? Here's what it was. You're doing it right now. Okay, no. So the people in front of me were just talking, talking, talking, but they were talking in a language I could not understand, right? It was like a made-up language. It was almost like

Klingon mixed with that clicking language from The Gods Must Be Crazy it sounded like, right? Okay. So I couldn't understand. I was happy not to understand it, right? But it was still bugging me. But the couple of words that I could understand spoiled understand it, right? But it was still bugging me. But the couple of words that I could understand spoiled the movie, right?

So I'll give you an example. So it was like this. I did a good job. I got, I did a good job. I'm doing the clicking. They really didn't click. I got to write a Batman. I got to kill the Joker.

Hey! The fuck, man? Stay in your language, at least. I say, don't tell me anything about the movie. I won't, I won't, but you're really going to like it, and the ending is so sad. Hey! That's a spoiler.

I love, do you mind if I ruin one part for you? Yes, I fucking mind. Let's spin it again. Come on. God damn it. You know what? What? I'm going to use the power of hosting.

Because it landed on alt left, but I think we ran that to ground. Yeah. Gabby, what is this Kim Kardashian video? And what do we need to know about it? Okay. So there's a makeup artist named Jeffree Star. Okay. And Jeffree Star is... Is this a person you've heard of?

Great. So he's, like, white and also, like, kind of racist. And, you know, has done some notably racist stuff and then Kim Kardashian worked with him on some like makeup stuff and then everyone was like Kim Kardashian

how could you work with this racist person and then instead of like apologizing or being like I didn't know or whatever she made like a series of Snapchat videos

being like we should just forgive him it doesn't matter I'm fully believe the past is the past. I don't like people bringing up my past, so I wouldn't bring up his past. Which, like, I think the last terrible thing he did

was, like, two months ago or, like, two weeks ago. And then people were using it as an example to be like, just because you're married to a black person doesn't mean you're not racist. He wasn't. It wasn't mild racist. He was chasing black women down the street and calling them n racist. He wasn't. It wasn't mild racist. He was chasing black women down the street and calling them niggers.

He was? I only saw that he had like, I only saw the stuff he did on the internet. He did stuff in real life? He's like actively, aggressively like a racist dude. Holy shit. And she like stood up for him. But she, I think in the same way that you hadn't seen that video, she hadn't.

And then afterwards she made a third video. Oh, boy. I'm so glad you could. Hold on. You played it so fucking cool. Hey. Hey. You let the one woman on the panel be like, oh, my God.

Look what Kim K did. And you knew the whole time. I keep up. I keep up. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. No, but she eventually came out and was like, hey, guys, I didn't expect y'all to turn on me like this. My bad on that one.

I retract everything I said. Are we good? And then went and had lasagna and shit. Kylie, can you take that Pepsi to the rally for me, please? Kylie, can you take that Pepsi to the rally for me, please? Look, I think one thing I'm taking away from this is that when we're looking for moral leadership on some of the thorniest issues we face as a country, maybe we should, as a rule, look elsewhere. I turn to Kh Chloe every time. She's the sensible one.

You know, I'm really glad we did that because I did not know any of that, and this is all I'll ever know about it, and it's the perfect amount. Yeah. Let's spin it again. Okay. I mean, we have a reality show. Now it lands on Kim K.

Just kidding. It has landed on the hashtag this is not us, which is something that a lot of people were tweeting about over the weekend and into the week. Gabby, what were your thoughts on this hashtag? Yeah, so

this was my suggestion, and this also comes from the world of pop culture a little bit in that I think Lady Gaga started this maybe or participated notably in it, and a lot of people were pushing back on it because, again, it's what I was talking about in the beginning where white women were absolving themselves of white supremacy and they were erasing their history,

their active participation in the Klan, active participation in white supremacy. There were more white men, certainly, but you can't step away from that and be like, we're just not going to fuck Nazis, ha-ha. Because people are. In reality, these men have mothers. These men have girlfriends.

Like, it's not this. Well, it's not this. Not that many. Not as many girlfriends as they'd like. Well, the stereotype of like, oh, it's all these basement dwelling people who never leave their homes. Like, clearly it's not. And a lot of these guys were like, you know, polo wearing. Like, any dude you would see at a frat party.

And they live among us. Like they have jobs to get fired from, whatever. It's at a hot dog stand, but like you get it. And so they go to school among you. So like to say this is not us is like, no. The history of racism is you're part of that. Well, one other thing I saw, and I regret not knowing who was talking about this, you're part of that. Well, one other thing I saw, and I regret not knowing who was

talking about this, but somebody was laying out on Twitter the history of where a lot of the Jefferson Davis highways came from, and a lot of it was the activism of women's groups, the kind of Confederate equivalent of the Daughters of the American Revolution, kind of turning kind of this

argument into sort of teas and fundraisers, which led to statues going up and memorials going up all across the country and kind of lending a patina of respectability to terror and racism and a celebration of

treason. I find it not, I agree with you, it's not completely honest. I mean, the honest sentiment is this has been us. And I think people need to realize that because these things don't operate in a vacuum. They don't operate in the absence of history and context. As much as those Confederate statues and the celebration of the Confederacy, as much as it is what people want to call a celebration of culture, at the same time, people have to understand

how insidious racism was at those times that's also reminding black people that you are a nigger i mean that's what that is it's reminding you that you are not part of this you know because that came around and i hate to be so blunt with it but that's a fact and any black person looking at that imagery was reminded of that and if you didn't agree with that you were taken out and you were taught to agree with that. You were an example that was, you know, you were being made of as an example. So it has both of those meanings. And that's why black people have that reaction to it.

And I use the Jewish example, too. If Germany had streets called Goebbels Lane, you know, and Mengele Parkway and come up to the Hitler Auditorium, it's like, what the fuck? That hurts. You can't have that shit, you know? So that's what that imagery means. I feel like this whole, this is not us is white people treating racism like someone farted in an elevator. Right now, it wasn't me.

We all know that wasn't... We need to figure out who did this. Who did it? I want to leave it there. That was a great way to end it. I want to thank our awesome panel. Gabby Dunn, Larry Wilmore, Langston Kerman. You guys were fantastic.

Thank you guys so much for coming out. We have one more spin of the wheel. Oh! Oh! Oh, oh. Woo! Oh. Oh! Oh my god. Oh.

Oh. The wheel has landed on Happy Birthday, Love It, apparently. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday dear Loveick. Happy birthday to you.

I need a mic. We have a Love It or Leave It cake being brought up by Lee Eisenberg dressed as, I think it's supposed to be either George Washington or a gay nutcracker. A gay nutcracker. That is so nice. There's a cake. And I get to do

the final cug zone about John Lovett. The final cug zone rant. Alright, let's hear it. Let's hear it. So, I don't know if you guys know out there, they didn't mention the year on the birthday, but John Lovett is 35 years old. And so I know that John and the other pod bros

need to protect their brand. And John needs to change his avatar on Twitter every week to look young and hip, attract more white twink listeners out there. But he is 35. When my mother was 35, she had three children. She was doing carpool. And every time you see a video from Crooked HQ,

it's like a fucking episode of Fire Island. They're playing patty cake and just a bunch of dudes sitting around. So, and lastly, this shirt that he's wearing right now was literally the same shirt he wore in 2006 when I met him at a gay club and he was standing awkwardly in the corner. It's the same shirt. I don't know that they

This is tough to hear. I don't know that he even does laundry. And now they're selling all these shirts that y'all are wearing, but like, y'all are 35. Put on a collar. Go to work and put on a collar. So anyway, happy birthday. Listeners, John is really old.

Thank you, Tim. Thank you, guys. I want you guys to all give it up for Tim Miller. You'll never hear his voice again. So try to cherish it. Thank you guys for coming out. It was a great show.

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