Lovett or Leave It - Covet Or Leave It (Live from Asheville, NC!)

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

Lovett or Leave It doubles your pleasure, doubles your fun at our second and final Asheville show! TS Madison takes a second look at this week’s newsworthy freaks. Jeff Jackson shares his two cents on Republican extremism. Justice Allison Riggs and Lovett divide and conquer your everyday ethical conundrums, and the Want Wheel has us thinking twice about our own deep, dark, hilarious desires.Tickets & Tour Dates: crooked.com/eventsDemocracy or Else is OUT NOW! Buy wherever you get your books: http://crooked.com/books For a closed-captioned version of this episode, click here. For a transcript of this episode, please email [e-mail] and include the name of the podcast.

Hello, Asheville! Wow! Hi everybody! It's great to be back! Alright, alright. Thank you. It's great to be back. All right, all right. Thank you. It's good to see you too. Welcome to Love It or Leave It live from the Orange Peel in Asheville, North Carolina. This is our third show of three and like the Holy Trinity, I too feel like an old man, a gay guy, and a fruity little bird.

I don't know if that's right. Tonight, T.S. Madison and I find out if we can match America's freak, Jeff Jackson, goes the distance for North Carolina, and Justice Allison Riggs and I discuss judicial ethics. And dear listener, we have a yacht to talk about. Also, Flip NC is here tonight. They're by the bar, so meet them after the show to sign up to knock some doors with us tomorrow.

And if you're listening at home on the Tuesday that this comes out, you obviously can't be here with us to save democracy in North Carolina. But you can learn how to save it elsewhere by buying Democracy or Else, the book I wrote with John and Tommy that drops today. So now it's out. So if you haven't bought it, today's the day to buy it. How many times do I have to ask? This podcast is free.

Buy the book. But first, let's get into it. What a week! According to a profile in the New York Times, Let's get into it. What a week. (*audience cheers*) According to a profile in the New York Times, RFK Jr. has two wild ravens that he claims to keep as pets, summoning them and feeding them scraps of meat. (*audience laughs*)

Isn't Kennedy worried about parasites? (*audience laughs*) I'd hate to see those ravens get sick. Isn't Kennedy worried about parasites? I'd hate to see those ravens get sick. Kennedy has apparently long been fascinated by birds and at one point had an emu named Toby that would attack his wife Cheryl Hines. Cheryl just say the word I have a comfortable guest room, zero birds or anti-vaxxers in there you can stay for as long as you want. Head writer Halle stayed for a few days

after she ended her engagement and became a lesbian at the same time. We watched that Jonah Hill doc together before he was canceled. Cheryl, that could be you. That could be you. Hines told a reporter about one day when she stepped outside to take a call from a producer.

She said, I started telling him about the script and the emu starts chasing me as fast as he could. That's Hollywood for you. Tough town. Toby was eventually killed by a mountain lion. But that's Hollywood for you. It's a tough town. Also I've made this point before, but I know we've sorted RFK Jr. into evil maniac category, but I do think it's worth remembering that most of his stories are rich dilettante flavored.

He had an emu. That's Richie Rich stuff. An emu named Toby? Got to put a stop to that whole family. It's enough. It's enough. One guy runs liquor during Prohibition and we're still dealing with the repercussions. President Biden won the CNN coin toss ahead of the first presidential debate on June 27th.

He chose to receive and then someone explained the rules again. As the winner, Biden was allowed to pick either the order of opening and closing statements in the debate or where he will stand on stage. Biden picked the right side of the stage. Joe Biden contains multitudes. Did you know that Joe Biden has a good side? And he cares about it more than whether he or Donald Trump gets the last word in the most consequential

presidential debate of our fucking lives? Fascinating. As a result, Donald Trump got to pick the debate order, choosing to go second, meaning his closing statement will be the last thing viewers hear at the end of the broadcast. Well, almost. The very last thing viewers hear will be Jake Tapper crunching through that false tooth containing a cyanide pill. I'm out.

Tapper out. In advance of the debate, the Biden campaign is going on the grandpa goof defensive, posting a montage of Trump getting confused, lost, wandering off and waving to nobody. You know, they say people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, but you don't need to see someone throw a stone from a glass house to know that throwing a stone at a glass house will break the house. What if you lived in a glass house and your neighbor lived in a glass house and he's already throwing rocks at your house over and over and over again?

Of course you'd pick up a rock. The rocks are coming no matter what. Did you think you'd make it to November with a standing glass house? Of course not. We'll all be standing in ruins on election day. So let's throw some goddamn stones. Throw those stones, Joe. Throw them like your childhood idol, Honus Wagner.

You're the flying Dutchman now, Joe Biden. That's what they, Honus Wagner. You're the flying Dutchman now, Joe Biden. That's what they called Honus Wagner. And if you haven't been to Cooperstown, I recommend it. You'll learn a lot about baseball. Like how they called Honus, the flying Dutchman. We have a clip of the new Joe Biden video. You'll receive Donald Trump not realizing he's supposed to walk away. Mike Pence like trying to urge him along.

And then Wajo Trump doesn't. It's really strange. It's really strange. Mike Pence approaches Trump in that moment, like when you're in line behind someone at Chipotle and they're on their phone. But also you're sick of how rude the world has become, and so you're trying to model good behavior, but it's like, Jesus fucking Christ, go. Oh, here's another clip from that montage.

So, what happens in this clip is, Trump is supposed to go to sit at the resolute desk and sign something some I'm sure monstrous piece of paper and instead he just leaves through the side door of the oval to kind of his private study and Mike Pence goes, Oh, Mr. President, you're supposed to sign it. And you can see Trump say, I'll sign it back here. Trump walks out of the Oval Office in that moment, like his Uber is here.

Sorry, I gotta get out of here. He has nowhere to go. The schedule is built around him. And famously, he's at both his house and office. Over in Congress, Senate Democrats have added language requiring women to sign up for the draft in a new defense spending bill causing an uproar from Republicans. We're not gonna force 18 year old girls

to commit their lives and bodies to something they don't wanna do. Republicans said. Senator Josh Hawley railed against the language, telling Fox News, there shouldn't be women in the draft. They shouldn't be forced to serve if they don't want to, as if we don't already force women to serve. They call ladies celebrities brave

if they leave the house without concealer. Added, Holly, normal people are like, leave our daughters alone. What? said Matt Gaetz. What? Also, I just do want to pause on this language that Republicans have been using. He says, normal people are like, leave our daughters alone. The daughters aren't the people. The people have daughters. They're not addressing the women, they're addressing the parents. It's just interesting. But maybe that's just because their daughters have been saying,

that's that me espresso over and over again, and nobody can understand them. Obviously, millions of women have served in the military. Nobody can understand them. Obviously millions of women have served in the military. Women today make up about 20% of the military. It's like none of these Republicans internalize the message of 1997's G.I. Jane. And the message is, I am gay except for Demi Moore in 1997's G.I.

Jane. The Supreme Court on Thursday upheld a Trump-era tax on foreign corporate investments in a 72 vote, and I bet you can guess one of the two dissenters, and you could picture him in a captain's hat sitting on the lap of a billionaire, turning to his nut job of a wife and saying, look, I'm driving the boat, I'm driving the boat.

The Supreme Court also upheld a federal ban that prevents alleged domestic abusers who have a restraining order against them from buying guns. Here we are in 2024 and men still can't have it all. The ruling was eight to one with, yep, you guessed it, Justice Clarence Thomas dissenting, arguing that historical tradition runs counter to this kind of law. After all, back in the time of the founders, there was no domestic abuse, just happy wives and liars who were also witches.

Anyway, I imagine it's a lot easier to make decisions with no consideration of what it will mean for Americans' lives when there's a fully fueled private jet sitting on a runway, ready to whisk you away to a private island with a guest cottage that has a cheeky plaque in front that says, Justice's Chambers. And inside, there's a stocked minibar with all of your favorite snacks, which are just raisins. The court didn't rule on the two impending January 6 cases this week, including the immunity case kicking the can to next week.

I hate when the Supreme Court does a season finale. It's not necessary. Your show can't be canceled. Try as we might. Experts suspect the court will wait until after Thursday's presidential debate to drop the January 6 rulings, which means they'll have to crack open

Biden and Trump's post-debate cryogenic tubes to tell them the news, which is so annoying. Once you get in that tube groove, you want to stay there. You know that tube groove. Leave them be. They're tubing. They're both old. On Wednesday, Louisiana became the first state

to require that the 10 commandments be displayed on a poster in every public classroom. Oh! Sort of obviously not familiar with one through four. Laughter Don't like that. I gotta get that thing up in here. This is terrible news for Louisiana's first graders who had been planning to covet their neighbor's wives. Laughter I gotta get that thing up in here. This is terrible news for Louisiana's first graders

who had been planning to covet their neighbor's wives. (*audience laughs*) Also, isn't it like, it's a little surprising that Louisiana is first here. You know, it seems like it should be like at least fourth. Like, what does Idaho have up there? Screen grabs at Yellowstone. (*audience laughs*)

All right. Groups like the ACLU and Freedom from Religion Foundation have vowed to challenge the law. A fight that Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry welcomes. Landry said at a GOP fundraiser on Saturday, I can't wait to be sued. And you won't.

As he signed the bill into law, he said, if you want to respect the rule of law, you've got to start from the original lawgiver, which was Moses. Man, this guy really does want to be sued. Now he's going to have Hammurabi up his ass. Mr. Governor, Hammurabi's lawyers are on the phone

and you're not going to like what they want. Speaking of troubling collabs, okay, McDonald's has wrapped up its global partnership with IBM, which had been testing AI powered drive-throughs at some locations since 2021. We don't need artificial intelligence at the drive-through. The last thing I need is me ordering a McDonald's and a voice coming out to say, I see you're back for the third time this week, John. I'd recognize those retinas anywhere. McDonald's says it isn't ruling out

incorporating AI in the future, saying our work with IBM has given us the confidence that a voice ordering solution for drive-through will be part of our restaurant's future. How futuristic. Just picture it. A drive-through where you can order food using only your voice.

I do not want some fucking machine learning, large language model AI to know how disgusting I'm gonna be before I do. Sometimes I go through the drive-through and I'll make it to the other side with just a diet coke. Now imagine your smart fridge and your phone and your car all conspiring against you. And they know that your breakfast was loose cold cuts

you ate out of the fridge and that your lunch was crying in the car. And even though you know you should have a salad, you're being driven to Taco Bell automatically. I'm kind of talking myself into it. Speaking of imagined dystopias, Donald Sutherland, star of movies like Clute, Invasion of the Body Snatchers,

and The Hunger Games Trilogy, died at the age of 88. In honor of Donald Sutherland, here's a clip of me pretending to know what movies Donald Sutherland was in, and everyone knowing I'm lying. ["Invasion of the Body Snatchers"] ["Invasion of the Body Snatchers"]

Invasion of the Body Snatchers is awesome. That movie was great. If you've never seen Invasion of the Body Snatchers is awesome. That movie was great. If you've never seen Invasion of the Body Snatchers, I feel like it's very surprising when you find out that it's plant-based. The actor was working right up until the end, appearing in Lawman Bass Reeves on Paramount+. Sadly, he was killed in an accident on set.

How Baldwin just can't catch a break. A team of scientists have discovered the world's oldest wine at a Roman burial site in Carmona, Spain. But after seeing the price, the team of scientists opted instead for the world's second oldest wine. Margot Friedlander, a 102-year-old Holocaust survivor, will appear on the cover of the July-August issue of Vogue Germany. I hate these manufactured publicity campaigns trying to shove some new it girl down our throats. A New York City man was bitten by a corn snake that he found in his bathtub while in the process of trying to flush it down the toilet. He said, the snake, someone's in here. Weird, said the man. I don't remember eating corn snake.

The man said he initially thought the snake was a worm of some sort. A common mistake. Gotta do a better job of teaching science in the schools. A pair of beluga whales were successfully evacuated from an aquarium in Ukraine, which is under intensifying Russian bombardment. And I believe we in the room. A boater in the Florida Keys found $1 million worth of cocaine in packages emblazoned with

a bald eagle that were floating in the water. Or is this more commonly known? A Florida 401k. And finally, it's time for a segment we're calling America's Least Wanted. Since we're here in beautiful North Carolina, we thought we'd spotlight one of your hometown GOP circus boos, Republican Attorney General nominee Congressman Dan Bishop. Dan Bishop is your standard bear for all things MAGA. He votes lockstep with the other right-wing extremists in the House and his big proponent of 2020 election conspiracy theories, MAGA classic, if you will. During his short time in Congress,

Bishop voted against even the most no-brainer guaranteed to be popular legislation. He was one of only 26 to vote against the Stronger Workforce for America Act. That invests in job training. And he voted against it even though one of the bill's co-sponsors was another North Carolina Republican. Honestly, I kind of get this one.

I also oppose other people developing skills because then I might look bad by comparison. That's why everyone on the Love It or Leave It team is strictly forbidden from any personal or professional growth. Bishops was also one of the only House members to vote against the Sea Turtle Rescue Act. A grant program for rescuing marine turtles stranded on beaches. My guy, you're voting against rescuing beach sea turtles?

What kind of absolute maniac watches Finding Nemo and goes, I would let Crush die screaming on a beach. You'd let Crush die. Bishop voted against certifying the 2020 election and has spread the big lie. He's now running for attorney general, a job which will give him enormous power over elections in this state. He was also a chief architect

of the infamous trans bathroom bill, HB2, as a state senator. Oh! And co-sponsored a national abortion ban as a member of Congress. Usually a bishop can move diagonally. This bishop only goes backwards. Ah!

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Ah! Ah! Ah! You guys heard that air horn? Alright, good. So if you want to prevent this goon from determining voting rights and reproductive rights in North Carolina, go to vote save America dot com slash 2024 to learn more and let's do everything we can between now and November to turn out the vote. And that was America's Least Wanted. Coming up next, I demand justice. Alison Riggs, join me for a conversation.

Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. And we're back. She's running for reelection to the North Carolina Supreme Court. Meanwhile, I can't even run for the bus. Well, I can, but... Please pound your gavels for the incredible Judge Allison Riggs. Hi, thanks for being here. Right in the middle.

Justice Riggs. John. Do you mind if I call you Justice Riggs? Yeah, you can call me whatever. Lady in orange. I'll throw away a few. Now you're a defender of reproductive rights. Leading with the kind of hardball questions I'm famous for.

You must be exhausted. It's a challenge for sure, but just so you know, Congressman Jackson and I debated our opponents this morning, so we're really ready for tough conversations with you right now. You debated your opponent this morning? This morning. Wow. Did you win? The congressman thought so.

Woo! Woo! All right. All right, Jackson. You'll have your turn. You'll get plenty of attention. Unbelievable. But yes, my arms are tired.

Your arms? Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about the stakes just in this race, given that you have such a kind of tilted Supreme Court right now that has gone so far to the kind of rightward extreme? Yeah, well, we've got two problems. One one is that there are five Republicans and two Democrats on our North Carolina Supreme Court,

and that's not gonna change until 2028. But we're also facing a new world in this country where the US Supreme Court is rolling back rights and quote unquote sending things back to the states, which means that ultimately when unconstitutional laws or laws that are being challenged are challenged, the last stop is the state Supreme Court. So you all know Monday is the two-year anniversary of Dobbs when we lost Roe v. Wade. We are the last bulwark against attacks on the ability of women like me to make choices

about our own bodies. And just to get a little bit more granular, would you fly a stop the steal flag outside your personal residence and your beach house or just one? I would neither fly it nor blame my husband for it. Follow up. If a billionaire offered to fly you and your spouse across the world for even one lavish vacation, let alone many lavish vacations, what would be your response? I would tell my husband, no. He when I was appointed, he had some questions.

When I made him spend hours and hours filling out detailed ethics disclosures, he said, I don't think Ginny Thomas needs to do this. So... Well, if Ginny Thomas jumped off a bridge, would you jump off a bridge? Just because Ginny Thomas is doing it doesn't mean it's acceptable.

It's actually almost certainly the opposite. So the Supreme Court, eight to one, upheld a ban on allowing domestic abusers with restraining orders to buy guns. But even here, you had Clarence Thomas dissenting. He has been consistently pointing to a pretty terrifying and extreme vision for what he would like to see constitutional interpretation

to mean. And we see it here in North Carolina. I see it at the federal level, this extreme ideology that often goes hand in hand with a kind of tolerance for corruption and a kind of a belief that they don't need to be held accountable. Can you just talk a bit about that relationship between kind of anti-democratic extreme policies and corruption, whether it the state or at the federal level? Yeah, I think, you know, there's a far right wing judicial philosophy,

originalism, that allows someone who espouses that philosophy to discount the humanity of other people. And this isn't a surprise, we know where this is going. Justice Thomas has forecast that originalism would push him, in addition to allowing domestic abusers easy access to guns, would also lead him to roll back rights to contraception, to marriage equality, and I think ultimately the overlap

is a lack of accountability. So when I started campaigning, I realized really quickly that part of the problem is, is that people think judges are untouchable. And some of that's by design, right? We want an independent judiciary that's the least political branch.

But the flip side to that is, Wizard of Oz, this is a problem. If you pull the curtain, and no one gets to hold you accountable and see what you're doing particularly when you're rolling back some other person's rights it's a power trip it feeds a lack of accountability and it makes it hard for the citizens the civically engaged people who are here in this room to make the change they want to see in this country. see right now a lot of cynicism around politics. There are people that wanted Joe Biden to do more.

And sometimes Joe Biden is stopped because of actions by the court. I think the court, for all the reasons we talked about, can feel removed from people. And they don't totally understand how it affects their day-to-day lives. You've talked a bit about how your life experience is important while you're on the court.

Can you just talk a little bit about that and why people should care about this race? So I grew up in West Virginia, in these mountains, just up the road. I grew up with around folks who felt like the system hadn't served them, had left them behind, and had real specific needs. And it's true that sometimes elected officials

can't meet all of those needs in a moment. Maybe it's a recalcitrant Congress, or maybe it's the structural limitations of the court. But what I don't accept, so yes, in politics, we're not gonna make everyone happy all the time, and we may not be able to wave a magic wand and solve everyone's problems. But you know what we can't do is give up

on the responsibility to listen, to explain and to talk. So I go all over this state to festivals, just where people are and ask them, what do they think about the courts? And sometimes I get a really detailed answer that has a great solution, that I can propose a great solution. And sometimes it's like, well, dang,

everyone I know just gets locked up when they go in there. And so, you have to validate that experience. If you ever wanna build some trust or some faith, and there's a little education too. I mean, there is an issue around public funding of public schools. I won't talk about it because there's a case in front of me. But I think we need to do some civics education as well

and explain to folks. Explain to folks, yes, there is a criminal justice system that has racial bias baked into it and we have a lot of work to do on that. We need to examine systems of reparative and restorative justice rather than just punitive. But, you know, when you have a loved one who gets hurt in an accident,

when you have a loved one who gets hurt in the workplace, that court can also be a place where you go to be made whole. And so until we start talking about and showing people and being willing to be in authentic relationship about how government should work, not just how it does work, but paint a vision, we're going to be voting against a lot of things. I am excited about what this state can be. It can be restored to be the progressive beacon in the South. And I know that we can do it together. Justice Allison Riggs, thank you so much.

That was great. Thank you very much. When we come back, T.S. Madison and I get our free con. And we're back. Please welcome to the stage the remarkable, the extraordinary extraordinary the singular T.S. Madison. Hey y'all what's going on? Hello, hello. Oh my god. You're back.

Baby it's full in here tonight John love it. Oh yeah it's Friday baby. Listen ladies and gentlemen do you love it or do you leave it? They love it. They love it right? They love it it? Love it. They love it. They love it, right? They love it. They love it.

Oh my goodness. I was having some of your good potato chips in the bag back there. So what's new? My hair. Ooh, looks nice. It looks nice. Thank you.

Have you been letting your freak flag fly this pride? I'm always gonna let my flag fly free. That was a tongue twister. Flag fly free. You know, I'm from the South, so you know, there are things that twist my tongue up so bad when I'm trying to say it. Flag fly free.

That's called the triple F's. That's exactly what it's called. How do I let my freak flag fly more effectively? Now you set me up for this, now Jesus. Um, the way that you can let your flag fly free. And more effectively. Or free fly a flag. It's just, I think that you should have the ability to do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it

within reason. Mm-hmm. Within reason. Within reason. Y'all can clap for that, you know? You should be able to do what you'd like to do within reason. You know, as long as you're not killing anybody, as long as you're not hurting anyone, as long as you know, you do it in the comfort of wherever your good space is, you should be able to

let your flag... Your flag... Your flag fly free forever. Your flag fly free. I have a pitch. Your flag fly free forever. Your flag fly free! I have a pitch. Okay. So, in Louisiana, they're hanging up the Ten Commandments in every classroom.

Okay. And I feel like, I feel like we need to take the Ten Commandments back. And I think the Ten Commandments should be put up in every gay bar. In every... The faggier the space, the bigger the poster. Wow. We put that thing up everywhere we could think of it. You should see the pride flag and the Ten Commandments.

Together, yes. Side by side. Together. Everywhere. Yes. Everywhere. flag and the ten commandments together side by side everywhere. Yes, everywhere. And it needs to say God loves flags. And because God loves flags. There's, there's as far as the picture right here.

Hold on. There's I look, I have, you know, I don't remember all 10 off the top of my head. Thou shall not steal. Thou shall not kill. Thou shall not take your neighbor's wife in vain. Wait, did I say it? I think that was a 2 for 1. That was pretty close. That was pretty close. But, to my Rebekahlection, none of them are specifically anti-gay.

None of them. Listen. So let's throw them up there. I want to say this. I want to say this. Let me tell you something. Anytime that I get into a debate with people who talk to me about the Levitical law, I always tell them, sweetie, there's no way that you can tell me that anything that God told

you because when you go down there to Red Lobster and eat all that endless shrimp and crabs, right after church, did you forget the part, honey, where it said that eating shellfish was an abomination? If you have not took on the Mosaic Law and talked about how thou shalt not lie, what are we doing on our taxes this season? Thou shalt not lie. What are we doing on our taxes this season? Yeah, sure it was.

A business dinner. Yeah, they're all business dinners, aren't they? A lot of business dinners on those fucking taxes. A lot of, oh yeah, it's a home office. And you're all masturbating. Oh, honey. And they're all masturbating in there. Wait, they're masturbating? Not right now, but I'm just saying.

Oh, I always tell people this. I said, listen, if you're going to go by anything biblical, the only thing that God himself, according to the book, wrote was the Ten Commandments. God, if we're going to go by the book, because God took his big finger and wrote on those rocks on Mount Sinai, and Moses came down and brought the law from what God wrote with his big finger. Everything else, see I said finger because I'm from this house.

Everything else that was written was written by man. But God wrote, right? Come on. God wrote, though, he wrote on those tablets. So I tell him, motherfucker, don't you say a goddamn thing to me about what God said, because he wrote that shit on the big rocks and not those little ones.

And I thank you. That was lovely. That was lovely. And that's why at the manhole, we're putting up the Ten Commandments. That's why I want to see it on the wall at every gay bar in West Hollywood. Pride flag, 10 Commandments, pride flag, 10 Commandments.

And then, then I'll be like, hey, why'd they put that gay stuff up in all those Louisiana schools? Just an idea, it's just an idea. I don't know. I'm just, it came to me while we were here. It's just a pitch, It's just an idea. I don't know. I'm just, it came to me while we were here. It's just a pitch.

It's just a pitch. The Ten Commandments already had a brand. It might be hard to rebrand it as gay stuff. I'm just, that's, you know, it's been around a long time. Like those people on TikTok that are like, like this video to make Jesus famous. And it's like, babe, Jesus is famous. Anyway, the news has been filled with freaks recently. Wait, you said F-R-E-A-K-S?

F-R-E-A-K-S. Freaks. Freaks. Oh, okay. The sexy kind and the walking nightmare kind. Oh, okay. And so we're gonna talk about them. So you're from the South too? In terms of my eating habits, yes.

I'll have a moment where I'll realize, I'll just like count backwards. I was like, hey John, when's the last time you had a vegetable? In a game we're calling... Wait a minute, so you don't get your vegetables when you're in the South? Well I just... Honey, cause we eat collard greens down here, baby. No, and look, I don't wanna get it. I didn't wanna start something that I couldn't finish.

But the thing is, like, I will get collard greens, but it doesn't feel like a vegetable. It just feels as though we've just, it's a vegetable technically, but it just seems like it's been put through a lot with a lot of, you know, it's just like, okay, you take the collard green and it starts out, it's a vegetable, 100%.

But then once it goes through the machinery of the American South, when it comes in the other side, there's bacon in there, There's fat in there. Yes. It's very salty. Yes, God, yes. Sometimes it's just, you don't know what. There's just chunks of stuff.

Yes. And you eat it all, honey. And I like it. Yes. I like it. But I don't think it's what Michelle Obama was talking about. Um.

You know? It wasn't. It wasn't. You know? It wasn't, it wasn't. It's time for a game. We're going freak for yourself. Alright. Wait a minute. I haven't been that fine since uh... 90s...

99. What a year it was? 99. Friend what a year it was. 99. Friend of the show. Did you think I said 69? I said 99. No, I thought I heard 99.

I thought I heard 99. Friend of the show, George Santos, popped back up this week just in time for the launch. He launched something. What did he launch? Um, was something launched at him? No, something was launched by him at all of us. Uh, what was it? What was it? Tell me so that we can we can talk about it. It was

an OnlyFans. Oh, oh, so that we can talk about it. It was an OnlyFans. Oh! Oh! Wait a minute, there's no S in that. It says MR Santos NY. Where's the S? It's supposed to say Ms. Ms. Santos.

It says the moment you've all been waiting for, only on OnlyFans, where you get the full behind the scenes and access to everything I'm working on. What's he working on? I know, he is. Listen, according to those lips, he's working on something on OnlyFans, honey. Do you see those lips?

Can we put that picture back? Do you see those lips? He's working on something behind the scenes on Only Fair. I realized something, which is I don't care about the surrounding context. Without exception, I love a glow up. It doesn't matter who it is. It doesn't matter how they got it. I'm in. You in it.

I love a glow up. Every goddamn time. I don't care how bad they are. I don't care if they use stolen funding from an election fraud to get filler. I'm in. So that includes Lionel your taxes too. Mm-hmm. Glow up.

Glow up. Also this week, RFK Jr., a candidate for president and a man who says a worm ate part of his brain, was profiled by the New York Times about his two pet ravens. What is not an additional pet owned by R.F.K. Jr.? A snake. Who is it? Well, your options are. A, Toby, an emu.

B, Lucy, a blind anaconda. C, Caruthers, a late turtle. R.F.K. Jr. stuffed to put in his office. Or D, Ronan, a dog that killed an emu a late turtle, RFK Jr. stuffed to put in his office, or D, Ronan, a dog that killed an emu and a turtle but somehow not the emu and turtle mentioned in this quiz? B, anaconda. Yes, that is the only fake one. That is correct.

I told you, it was a snake. Listen, when you look, can I see the picture? Right, because when you see a person like this, you know that, look at those crows and stuff back there. A snake. Look at those, there's just something. There's just something, there's something about those eyes. They just, they just, when they've got crazy in the eyes, you can't hide it.

Crazy, you can't hide crazy in the eyes. The eyes always reveal the crazy. It's right there. You can just look at the eyes. You can smile, you can frown, you can try to go still, but the eyes, the eyes don't lie. But the eyes are the windows to the soul.

That's right. Yes. That's right. That's why I said a snake. In the piece, RFK Jr. feeds his pet ravens, which he started to try to train with Feud a few months ago after seeing them in the trees near R.F.K. Junior feeds his pet ravens, which he started to try to train with Feud a few months ago after seeing them in the trees near his L.A. home. According to the piece, what does he feed the ravens out of?

Is it A. A colander, B. His own mouth, C. A briefcase, or D. A greasy sack of meat? Oh, I would say a briefcase. It's in fact a greasy sack of meat. He feeds them out of a greasy sack of meat? He has a sack of meat to feed the wild birds who land on his windowsill. What's in the sack of meat? Meat.

It's meat. There's meat in that greasy sack of meat. Normani, star of the upcoming film Freaky Tales, alongside Tom Hanks and Pedro Pascal, dropped your new album this week. What is the name of that album? Oh God. Is it A. serotonin, B. dopamine, C. endorphin, or D. norepinephrine? It's B. dopamine. It's B. dopamine. Now I do think that Normani is a, she's in the

Beyonce era, area. But Beyonce is in a Michael Jackson area. And finally, when told by a reporter that she was very brave to appear on a nude scene, actor Nicola Coughlin said she was very proud to do it as a member of what community? What community was she proud to be representative of when she was nude on the show Bridgerton? Non-binary? Incorrect. The answer is the perfect breast community. Oh. It's my... Yeah, exactly.

Can she do this? Well, let's roll the clip. Let's see. Can she do this? Well let's roll the clip. Let's see. You know it is hard because I think women with body type, women with perfect breasts. Well can she do this? I mean who can? Few can.

The few and the proud. Yes right. I am the few and the proud. Yes, right. I am the few and the proud. And that's why I let my flag fly free. T.S. Madison, where can people find you? Where do you want to send people? Make sure you guys just find me. I'm T.S. Madison everywhere.

Like, I'm not T.S. Madison over here or T.S. Madison. I'm T.S. Madison everywhere. And make sure that you guys are tuned in to RuPaul's Drag Race. We have an amazing season coming. All Stars 9 is on Paramount Plus right now. I'm coming up. There's like, there's an amazing thing that's coming. I cannot wait for you guys to see the musical. And has this been recorded?

Yeah. Oh. T.S. Madison? Yeah. Oh. T.S. Madison, everybody. Right. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. And we're back. Republicans are so scared of our next guest, they to gerrymander a man of existence,

but you can't gerrymander a statewide race. Please welcome your next Attorney General, Congressman Jeff Jackson. Good to see you. They love you. Hello, Congressman. Hi. You were gerrymandered out of a house seat. True. That's got to sting.

Saw it coming. Hey, remember when we went canvassing together and I made fun of an ugly house and you said that video wouldn't be useful? (*audience laughs*) Some backstory. (*audience laughs*) Our campaign gets a call when I'm running for Congress. John Lovett would like to come and knock doors with you. That's a big deal for us.

All right. That's a big get. (*audience cheers*) I'm being schmooze. And it fell out of the sky. I didn't have to DM him or anything. They called us. I slid into his DMs.

So the day arrives, and John arrives, and he walks into the Congressional Campaign Office, and I shake his hand, meet him for the first time. John, it's so nice to meet you. He goes, great, what city is this? That's... That's a good sound. Oh fuck. I said, welcome to Charlotte. We're so happy to have you.

And he looked at his staff like, is this where we're supposed to be? And they're like, yes. That's not how, you're at the right place. This is painting a deeply inaccurate portrait. This sucks. You're a guess. I introduced myself as the candidate and he

said are we gonna do this thing? I said yes we are. He said you have a street picked out? I said yes we do. I took him to one of our really the core target areas where we were really trying to work on turnout and we spent an hour and a half knocking doors together and I would describe him and his contribution as net positive. Oh. Man, I've been waiting a year and a half to talk about this. All right. Here's what it's like when he's not on stage. I am the I am the same.

We're walking down. This show is net positive. I am the same. We're walking down. This show is net positive. First of all, we met a lot of very nice people, constituents, prospective constituents, walking their dogs on the sidewalk. He spoke to zero people and every dog. We started knocking on doors and he did his insult comic routine.

This is unbelievable. Did not endear himself to 100% of the electorate. There were some senior citizens who didn't know him and just thought I had the most abrasive volunteer. There were a couple people who did know him, and so that started well until he gave his very frank assessment of the architectural style of their home, and then asked them a series of pointed questions

about do you think the neighbors are okay with what you've done with this? The use of the phrase McMansion was peppered through some of this And when he we won I'm the first text message I got from him said, you're welcome. So there you go. So obviously we have a big election coming up. And I guess you want to be attorney general or some fuck. I don't know, I'm hearing good things about Dan Bishop. I'm hearing good things about Dan Bishop. I'm hearing good things about Dan Bishop. I'm hearing good things about Dan Bishop.

I'm hearing good things about Dan Bishop. I'm hearing good things about Dan Bishop. Hey welcome, good to see you. It's good to see you. So you're running for attorney general. And I think a lot of people maybe get a lot of national news. They even know how important a governor's race is. Can you just, just for people listening who maybe don't know or are going to be knocking on doors, if you had to say to people, here's why the attorney general matters, what's the

answer? Here's why the attorney general matters. Our state code has 25 pages of law that goes over all the thing the attorney general is supposed to do. But really, the attorney general is supposed to be a shield to make sure you're not getting kicked around. That's the purpose of the attorney general. And we know because we know our state legislature very well, they're gonna try and kick you around

when it comes to voting rights, they're gonna try and kick you around when it comes to reproductive rights, and it's gonna be my job to stand up to them and defend your rights. (*applause*) And you know what else was annoying about canvassing with this man? (*laughter*) He never would ask anyone for their vote.

He'd like knock on the door and they'd be like, hi, hi, I'm your congressperson and I'm here to see if you need anything. And then they'd say, oh thanks, and you know, I have this issue or that issue and you'd say, oh thanks for telling me. Have such a great day. Close the fucking deal.

I've run for office a handful of times. I don't ask for people's vote. I ask for the opportunity to earn your vote and I think if you give me that that's a fair trade. That's what he said then too. And it didn't make fun of the McMansion to the McMansion owners. Sure did. Sure did. 100% did.

I don't remember that. I feel like I did it the respectful way behind their backs. Real time fact checking. And also, I mean, it just was a fucking eyesore in the middle of that goddamn neighborhood. See? It was a year and a half ago, he still remembers. And look, the thing is, he wasn't wrong. Too big for the plot.

It was too big for the plot. I don't like it when the houses are too big for the plot. Have some taste. What haven't a taste? Now, aesthetically, he was right. Politically, he was wrong. That's all. I think some things are more important than politics.

We disagree on that. So your opponent, serious topic. Back to serious. Show some respect. Your opponent recently compared Donald Trump's hush money trial to a trial of a black person and what they would face in the Jim Crow South. I feel like that's cool vibes for a person running to oversee the laws, wouldn't you

say? Yeah, what he said was that the former president was treated as badly as a black person would have been treated in Alabama in the 1950s. So don't go to him for your African American history. But look, that just scratches the surface with this guy. He said, we have a gangster government and a reckoning is coming. Obviously, voted to decertify the last election and said that it was rigged. Said that his election was rigged even though he won.

First two endorsements out of Congress were Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz. You in North Carolina, we all actually hold the attorney general in very high regard because we have a history of seeing good performance from that position. We have high expectations for that position in particular. We've never had a political extremist in that position.

You have one political extremist out of 435, that's one thing. Attorney General's 101. And if we have a political extremist in that role, it will be a disaster for the state like it was when he wrote HB2, the bathroom bill, and cost our state $4 billion, thousands of jobs, and took our reputation years to recover from the damage that he did. So as Republicans have grown more extreme, they've not only tried to manipulate the districts to avoid accountability, but also to try to fight against corruption and transparency laws.

What role does the attorney general play in making sure that even as a Republican legislature tries to block transparency, try to block laws to protect against corruption, to make sure that the people of the state can trust that the people they send to work for them are working for them? The attorney general's supposed to be a nonpartisan job, really, the way you execute that job,

it's supposed to be an independent voice. You're there to represent people, not a party. It can't be used as an instrument for culture war. It can't be used as an instrument for political anger. The only way that people develop trust in this position is if they see it being used in a way that's even handed, in a way that's just about doing the work. Y'all, we have a big fentanyl crisis in this state. We lose nine people a day.

The attorney general can play a very important role, both on the supply side, identifying the distribution cells that operate within our state and breaking them apart, and on the demand side. The gold standard for treating addiction is Medicaid assisted treatment. People aren't using fentanyl to get high. They haven't gotten high in a long time. They're using it to stave off withdrawal. The way you treat addiction is medicated assisted

treatment to get them through that withdrawal. That's the type of thing your attorney general should be talking about. Now, Bishop was, as you said, someone who led the charge on HB2, a law to make transgender people hold it until they get home. That law was later struck down. But what does that tell you about, what would that mean for the kind of attorney general he would be? The attorney general is supposed to be a shield to defend you. I think the way he sees it is as a sword to use against some of you.

We've never had that before. To have our top law enforcement officer think in aggressive terms against major communities within our state, that's an experiment we've never run before. They're running that experiment in a place like Texas where they have Ken Paxton. He regards Ken Paxton as the model for who he wants to emulate in our state. That is not our history at all.

All right. Before we let you go, in 2015, when you were a member of the North Carolina Senate, you made headlines by being the only legislator to show up for work during a particularly bad snowstorm. We like this story. Because it confirms that you're a huge nerd, you know. But also it shows, you know, it seems like you have some good qualities. People tell me, I don't see them.

So it's time for a game we're calling, Is There a Mountain High Enough? I give some good qualities. People tell me, I don't see them. So it's time for a game we're calling, Is There a Mountain High Enough? I'm gonna give you a difficult scenario and you're gonna tell me what you would do. Are you ready? I own those shorts, just. I have that whole outfit. I actually think it looks great on me. The Photoshop is solid.

I could give you a real picture, though. First scenario. There's a terrible snowstorm. And who pulls up in a snowmobile? It's Mark Robinson. And he'll take you to work, but only if you say one nice thing about Robinson. And he'll take you to work, but only if you say one nice thing about him.

Is he recording it? You don't know. Do you do it? Walking to work built character. There's a terrible snowstorm and time is ticking on a critical issue. A snowmobile pulls up and it's Justin Timberlake. He says it was just one martini but you're not so sure.

What do you do? It's gonna be May. Interesting, interesting, interesting. It's so good to see all of you. I've really been looking forward to this. Isn't he great? There's a snowstorm. And a snowmobile pulls up.

And it's me. The Affordable Care Act, and whether it's constitutional, hangs in the balance. But I want to talk about video games the whole way. I want to talk about all the Souls games and how challenging all the different parts of it can be, but how ultimately worthwhile it is. And I will spend a fair amount of time on the lure. and how challenging all the different parts of it can be, but how ultimately worthwhile it is. And I will spend a fair amount of time on the lure.

You will know what the urn tree is by the time we've reached the capital. You'll know all about the tarnished and you'll know the difference between a quality build, a dexterity build, a strength build, a mage build. Feels like I'm already on the snowmobile, honestly. Congressman Jackson, what can people do to help over the next few months to make sure that we elect you as attorney general in North Carolina and not a far right member of the House who would do a bad job.

You know what to do. Hit that website, help us out. It's going to be a 1% race. Our current attorney general who's running for governor won his re-election by 0.2% of the vote. I've told him to do his face, we're going to win by 0.3% of the vote. And y'all are going to help me do it. Thank you. Thank you so much. Good to see you too. He'll be back. All right. And we're back. Please welcome our wonderful guest back to the stage, Justice Riggs, Congressman Jackson,

T.S. Madison. Thank you for sticking around. Thanks for sticking around. Thank you for sticking around. Do we stand? No, we can sit. Let's sit. Okay, I like to sit, you know.

I'm sick of ranting. Do we stand? We can sit. Let's sit. Okay, I like to sit, you know. I'm sick of ranting. I've been ranting for a decade. And where's that? What's that got me? It's gotten me a lot. Actually, a surprising amount. Best not think about it too much. But tonight we wanted to do a twist on the rant wheel.

Tonight, it's the want wheel. I'm gonna be getting that way Here's the want wheel. Yeah. I don't want it that way. Here's how it works. We spin the want wheel. Wherever it lands, we talk about something we want. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's spin the wheel. There we go. Justice Riggs, what's something that you want? I want the opportunity to try to start my family, to have a child, but do so in peace and safely. And all the rescue dogs. That's great. I love dogs. It's been pointed out recently that I like them even more than people.

Let's spin it again. Well, what's something that you want? I really want people to wake up and understand how bad Project 2025 is. I really, really, really want that. And I really want the people from my community, the black community, the trans community, any minority community, understand that these people that are rallying for Trump do not have their best interests at heart at all. You know, and I want them to look past that stimulus check that they got.

And like, this person and these agendas are not good for our country coming. Like November is so important and I really want people to take that serious. All right. I agree with that. And I also want to play Audrey too in whatever movie comes out of... I like that. That's a good idea. You think I should... I could play Audrey too?

Yeah. You do? Yeah. He knows your life of crime. I think it's supper time. This must happen. This must happen. I used to love The Little Shop of Horrors, but we did not have a pristine official version of Little Shop of Horrors.

We had a version of Little Shop of Horrors, which I think involved my mother going, Little Shop of Horrors is on. Tape in, hit record. And so it started a few minutes in. And I didn't see the beginning till I was an adult. But the context, you get it with the context. I do. Let's spin it again.

Congressman, what do you want? Jupiter has about 100 moons. Several hundred years ago, Galileo spotted the four biggest. Europa is the best chance for life outside of Earth anywhere in the solar system, because it has more water than Earth. And a lot of it's liquid water. It's under this ice, but we know there's a lot of

liquid water there. So 10 years ago, Congress passed a law telling NASA they had to go explore Europa. So the Jet Propulsion Laboratory has been busy at work building the Europa Clipper. And when it launches, it's going to take five years to travel 1.8 billion miles to this moon of Jupiter. And when it gets there, it's going to fly through one

of the plumes of frozen water that it shoots out into space. It's going to be able to collect the water and analyze it and tell us more about what's going on. This Europa Clipper launches in October. And what I want is to give you something to look forward to between now and the election. And it is the Europa Clipper launching. That's pretty good.

That's pretty good. Follow-up question. Is Pluto a planet? Neil deGrasse Tyson would say no. And I'm going to def... Am I going to lose the election right now? Yeah, hell yeah it's a planet. It's called pandering, John.

I'm not proud. Let's spin it again. Here's what I want. I want people for two reasons. The first being because it simply isn't one. It's not a planet. The planets are here, Pluto's up here, going in a totally different fucking thing. As Neil deGrasse Tyson would say. It's tiny.

It's actually orbiting another, it's moon, which is really just another, they're very much the same size. I don't remember the details, I didn't plan for this. They're all, it's in there, You know? You know? The gist. The Kuiper Belt. What's it called? The Kuiper Belt.

The Kuiper Belt. That's where Pluto is. The Pluto is ex... Pluto deserves its plot-its. Not because it's the smallest planet, but because it's a very big version of something that's not a planet. Pluto could either, for us, be the worst planet or the best big-ass rock that's out there. But the second reason I want us all to... You know what it is? It's not that I want people to accept Pluto not being a planet. I want people to want to accept the fact that Pluto is not a planet because I want to live in a world where we can change. Where we don't have to accept the received wisdom

of a person looking up basically between two fucking beer bottles and saying, I found another one. So Pluto's not a planet? It's not. I want to live in a world where we all come together and look at the facts. And when the facts tell us, despite what we learned

from our favorite science teacher when we were kids, despite what the pictures on our childhood bedroom ceiling said, despite what the documentaries on PBS we watched because nobody wanted to hang out with us after speech and debate, that you were friends when you were on the trip, but that was it. Ha!

That was it. That despite all of that, that nostalgia, that we don't make decisions just based on nostalgia, because we understand that nostalgia binds us looking backwards. That we don't need to make the skies great again. The skies were already great. That's what I want. Thank you. And even more than that, I want everyone in this room to do everything they can to elect Justice Allison Rinks, to elect Jeff Jackson, your next attorney general, to come canvas with

me and flip North Carolina tomorrow, and to sign up for vote save America dot com. Because listen, he thinks he can win by 0.3%. I feel like we can get that thing up to 0.4%. I think it's possible. And that's the want wheel. When we come back, we'll end on a high note. And we're back. And we're back. Before we go tonight, it's time for some high notes.

Let's bring the lights up. Kendra's there. For the high notes, if you could line up behind Kendra. Hi, what's your name and what's your high note? Hi, my name is Melina Kugin. I live in Woodfin, North Carolina. And my high note today- We met earlier today. Yes, we did.

My high note was I was so terrified to canvas and it was my first time, but a guy named Bob came with me and totally put me at ease and everyone was so nice and I canvassed for Lindsey Prather and she's awesome. Nice. Hi, I'm Dan from Raleigh, North Carolina. And this is a bit of our farewell North Carolina

because my wife just actually got a dream job helping people get health care coverage across the country. We are set to go west and we're just very excited to be able to have a chance. She is so excited. She's the kind of person who actually has a tattoo of Medicaid on her body that is a secret that I'm kind of letting out tonight. I'm sorry. Hold on a body. That is a secret that I'm kind of letting out tonight. Um... I'm sorry. Hold on a second. You have a Medicaid tattoo.

And it was, until now, a secret. Now, is it a secret that it's about Medicaid? So that's interesting. So, you love Medicaid, that we got. That's not the, that's not the part we're thinking about. Where?

Near your heart. Wow. When you say near my heart, you go, ah, when you say on my boob. It's a little bit different. Interesting. Interesting. Hi, what's your name? What's your high note?

My name is David. I live in Raleigh, North Carolina. My high note is that I'm here with a couple of the Friends of the Pod Discord mods. Hell yeah. And give me a shout out. Our mods are in the trenches. Yes. All right.

Get it done. The news isn't, you know, it's not all fucking Met Gala and Justin Timberlake DWIs. There's some heavy shit that goes on. And the mods get in there, pull up their galoshes, put on their big gloves, and they get in there, and they fucking moderate. And I want to give a shout out.

One of them has a birthday on Sunday. There's another mod who's not here, whose birthday is tomorrow. And my wife's birthday is today? Yeah, today. So I think that's a high note. I think that's my high note there. Could have led with that.

Everybody has a birthday. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Where are the mods? Shout out to the mods, the mod squad. Hi guys. Hi, what's your name?

What's your high note? Hi, my name is Cece and four years ago today, I decided to take a semester off college and become a field organizer in Georgia for the Biden campaign. Thank you. I am now a public school teacher here in North Carolina and my partner actually just, thank you, just got a job with the coordinated campaign for the Democratic Party in Michigan. So that's my high note.

That's great. Hi, what's your name? What's your high note? Great. Hi, what's your name, what's your high note? Hi, I'm Winnie. I'm a 16 year old and I had civics class this year and learned how little people my age know about how important it is to engage in like your local government.

My high note is that tomorrow I'm going canvassing for the first time with my mom. That's great. That's cool. Hi, what's your name, what's your high note? Hi, my name's great. That's cool. Hi, what's your name? What's your high note? Hi, my name's Anna. I'm from Asheville. My dad is a really big fan of Podsave America and love it. And he wasn't able to be here because he had a surgery.

But my high note is that he's healing well. And shout out. He'll listen on Tuesday. Well great. Shout'll listen on Tuesday. Oh great. Shout out to your dad. And I hope he's recovering from his BBL. Hi, my name's Sarah. I'm from Charlotte. First I want to say thank you for the crooked bag. Oh nice.

But also I'm a social worker and I've been working with kids and adults struggling with mental illness and addiction and honestly a lot of days it sucks working in a system that feels like it's built to work against the people I'm trying to help. And I listen to EarPod and Pod Save America a lot of days to and from work and it gives me a lot of hope for the future that, for the people that I work with.

So thank you. Oh thanks. gives me a lot of hope for the future, for the people that I work with. So thank you. Thanks. Hi, what's your name? What's your high note? Hi, I'm Joey. I'm from Durham, North Carolina. Happy pride everybody. I'm here with my boyfriend, Andrew.

Love you. And my high note is that my manager got fired this week. Look at how it was such a company wide sigh of relief. So we're just all very excited about it. I'm glad I'm glad that happened to him. It was a her, yeah. It's 2024 and women can be terrible managers. That was very presumptuous of you. I would say that's the first high note I think we've ever had that's like, some bitch got

fired. Never, haven't had that before. Just at first. Hey, so I'm a Jackson as well. And it was so much fun being able to break the chain of a very conservative Republican Jackson dynasty in my family to come out here and see Jeff Jackson here at Love It or Leave It. So that's cool. that's what I got.

A good Jackson. As we're changing Jackson's. Yeah, we're taking it back. What's your name? What's your high note? I love it. My name is Andrew. I'm originally from Richmond, Virginia.

My high note is that after a really long and difficult career in mental health as a psychiatrist in community mental health, my mom is finally retiring at the end of next week, which is very exciting. She works extremely difficult, so it's really exciting to see her be able to retire. And if you're listening to this, mom, happy retirement to you. That's very sweet. What a nice place to be, there.

What's your name? What's your high note? My name is Alex Krug, and my high note is a C sharp. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Thank you to everybody that shared a high note tonight. Thank you all for being here. If you want to leave us a high note you can email us or you can leave it in our in our discord in the love it or leave it discord as part of friends of the pod. That is our show. Thank you so much to Justin, Alison, Rick, T.S. Madison and Congressman and soon to be your next Attorney General, Jeff Jackson. Thank you, Asheville. Thank you to everybody at the Orange Peel. Such a blast to come back. So glad we got

to do these two shows. There are 134 days until the 2024 elections. Have a great night and see you all. See you next time. And I'll be signing books over there. Love It or Leave It is a crooked media production. It is written and produced by me, John Love it and Lee Eisenberg. Kendra James is our executive producer, Chris Lord is our producer, and Kennedy Hill is our associate producer.

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