Lovett or Leave It - Dial M-M-R for Murder

Episode Date: August 12, 2026

Trump ends up in hot water with his catering truck stunt, RFK Jr says no free refills on infant vaccines, and Mark Zuckerberg’s yacht leaves ‘em high and dry. This week, Liza Treyger solves all her problems with Heated Rivalry, while cracking the case on true crime podcasting. Emmy-nominated Hacks star Lauren Weedman tells us everything HBO warned her not to say during her FYC campaign, and we find ourselves doing a double take, and more, with Second Thoughts.Hate listening to ads? Become a Friends of the Pod subscriber for ad-free episodes of Pod Save America, Pod Save the World, Lovett or Leave It, Runaway Country, Offline with Jon Favreau, and more—plus exclusive content, including bonus episodes of Pod Save America. Subscribe now at crooked.com/friends, on Apple Podcasts, or through the Pod Save America YouTube channel.To watch this episode with subtitles, click here and turn on closed captions (CC).You can request a transcript by emailing [e-mail]. Include the podcast name, episode title, and air date. Please allow 48 hours for delivery.

Welcome to Love it or leave it. It's Love it or Leave it. Live it from Hollywood. I'm John Lovett. We've got a great show for you tonight. But first, let's get into it. What a week. On Monday, Trump alongside Vaccineer, RFK Jr., signed an executive order aimed at reducing the number of vaccinations recommended for children and delaying the shots they do receive over a longer period of time. Why? Well, let's have Dr. Trump explain it. Mr. President, I think I heard you say that the MMR vaccine from Mrs. Mumson-Wadbella is quite lethal.

Is there any evidence of that? No, what I've heard is that there are some people that say it is that way. And I say, well, let's say there's a 5% chance of it. Let's split it up. Now, he's not saying who he heard it from, but as a hint, imagine it's Tom waits if he swallowed a bike chain and loved cholera. Trump also made this odd claim. I saw this early on and I've seen proof of it where they have a vaccination that looks like the size of a bottle of soda

poured into a little child's body and bad things happen. Famously, the hardest part of being a parent is when you have to pour two liters of vaccine into your baby like you're filling an ice cube tray. For the record, children's vaccines tend to have about half a milliliter or a tenth of a teaspoon worth of liquid. Oh, but that doesn't bother you, Libs, but Trump

puts a half a milliliter of liquid into a teenager on Epstein's Island and you all lose your fucking minds. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. It was a tough one, but you did okay. All right? Thank you for, thank you for bearing with me. There was an important joke. A good, a moral joke. Trump repeated his claims Tuesday

on Real America's voice. It's too much at one time. They give these massive... Did you ever take a look that looks like a Coca-Cola bottle. You know, like, they're pumping this massive amount of fluid into a show's body. And then sometimes you get to the doctor and you ask for a Coca-Cola vaccine and the doctor says is a Pepsi vaccine okay?

And you're like, never mind, I'll die of measles. Trump also repeated his bizarre claims about the MMR vaccine. MMR. If you give them separately the M, the M and the R, it's fun. When you put them together, they're sort of like a new. nuclear weapon, according to some. Right then and there. Trump, what's the M, what's the M, what's the R?

Tell us what you think they are. Right now, I'll vote for you, I'll support you, President for Life, what's the M, what's the M, what's the R? Now, this is all just made up. There is no benefit to separating out the doses. It's actually been tried, and all that happens.

A lot of kids don't get all three because you have to go to the doctor three times. It's not hypothetical. They actually tried this in Japan. The vaccines were split, and as a result, a lot of kids ended up with the fucking mumps. But don't worry, I'm sure Americans are more disciplined and better at following the rules than the fucking Japanese.

See, that joke would have been unacceptable in Woke 1. And now here we are. I've had a good time laughing about stereotypes. And I apologize. Republican Senator Bill Cassidy posted, quote, I'm a doctor. This executive order is wrong. The president does not have the expertise

to make these changes. Vaccines are overwhelmingly safe. vaccines are effective, vaccines do not cause autism. Cassidy voted to confirm RFK Jr. After accepting his reassurances that he wasn't anti-vax, even though he was proudly and consistently anti-vax. It would be like accepting Krang's assurances. He doesn't want to conquer the earth and kill the Ninja Turtles.

Bitch, that's his whole fucking thing. Krang's going to Krang. Sounds like RFK Jr. too a little bit. Kennedy also lied. He said he'd maintain the vaccine advisory. panel's recommendations, he then fired all 17 members of the panel. He said he supported the childhood vaccination schedule, which has now been gutted. He explicitly said he would not divert or cut vaccine funding, then pulled billions from local

vaccination programs and shut down half a billion dollars in exciting revolutionary mRNA research, which holds the promise of vaccines for diseases from HIV to cancer. From the way RFK is acting, you'd think these are the shots that took out his dad and uncle. He did okay on that one too. Speaking of dangerous shots, in July, the New York Times reported that Trump flew on the old Air Force One while leaving Turkey because his new Qatari plane lacked the defensive capabilities necessary to protect the president. This was in response to what was reportedly a credible threat that Iran would fire a missile at the president's plane. A welcome change of pace after a few days of eating Turkish food, you'd expect it to be Trump who's dropping the bombs on Air Force One.

Now we learn, according to the Washington Post, that Trump, was not on either plane. And after very publicly boarding, the old Air Force One, the Secret Service secretly snuck Trump out of the other side of the plane and onto a catering truck, which you can see there.

Oh my God, is this where food comes from? Is this a farm? Said Trump, marveling at all the snacks. The catering vehicle then covertly drove Trump to yet a third smaller plane, which we can see there. That plane, which Secretary Hegeseth had already publicly boarded,

then flew to the United Kingdom. Interestingly, Secretary Hegeseth was somehow stuck inside of a drink cart, but that seems to be unrelated to any kind of a security threat. Here's the thing. The unwitting journalists and White House staff aboard Air Force One weren't told about the threat or that Trump wasn't on the plane. What is he doing in there? asked White House Press Secretary Stephen Chung, around minute 90 of waiting outside Air Force One's good bathroom.

When the press pool later asked the president why they had been told to close their window shades on the flight, Trump responded, quote, because you're probably on a dangerous flight because of the sleaze bags that we have to deal with, which are also the words I use anytime I fly frontier. Trump then added, quote, but if I go, you go, right?

Before suggesting that, quote, perhaps someday you want to change professions. This is what he said to journalists who had no idea they were basically used like rodeo clowns. Here's how they covered it on Fox News. It reminds me a little bit of Taylor Swift in the middle of the ERIS tour when she was going to the Chiefs game. Do you remember when they were sneaking her out in the popcorn cart?

Twice. They did it again. That was real? I thought that was it. Very real. Okay. Do whatever it takes to keep Taylor Swift happy. She didn't get those ERIS tour concerts. But nonetheless, the media outrage is crazy on this.

Do what you got to do to keep the president safe. One problem. Taylor didn't have a decoy tour bus filled with unsusperimentary. back-up dancers that she thought might get hit by a rocket-propelled grenade. Also, the government does not have the right to use journalists as decoys like this without their knowledge because this is a democracy, and private citizens aren't expected to sacrifice their lives for the dear leader while eating a little bag of pretzels and drinking a ginger ale. When Bill Clinton flew into Pakistan in 2000, the White House also used a decoy plane, but that decoy was smaller so as to put fewer people at risk.

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All right. Now, please welcome to the stage. One of my favorite stand-ups and the first person I would call if I was accused of murder is Lisa Trager. Hi. Good to see you. Come on through. Hell yes. Hi.

Hello. Hi. Now, obviously, look, you're a triple threat. Yes. All right, because you're a comedian. Yeah. You're a true crime aficionado. Yeah.

And you're an international backgammon competitor. And an actress. And an actress. No. And a dancer. And you were saying a trans swimmer. Yeah. I was on the swim team in high school, though.

Were you really? Yeah. Yeah, you could probably tell I was, I just did butterfly. It's the most difficult one. I was on one episode of Survivor, but my swimming was bad enough that it is often brought up to me in public. All right. My dream is to do Survivor. I know you did it.

And I still wouldn't learn how to build a fire and I don't give a fuck. Well, I'll tell you this much. Was it my problem? Surviving amongst the wild was not the issue so much as talking to people.

Which I feel like I should have known going in, but... Well, my goal would be to be so annoying that people would drag me to be the goat. You know what I mean? Yeah, it wasn't annoying enough, I suppose. I was in that, that uncanny valley

of being... Usually I kick off a woman. real quick. Yeah, I have a feminine energy. Now, back to you, Backgammon, competitive, international, what? Yeah, I did just play in the world championships of Backgammon. But I had an inn because we were filming stuff, working on a doc podcast thing. So I didn't have to pay the thousands of dollars that you have to pay. So the stakes were lower for me, but I was training with Mark Olson, a grandmaster. And he runs the World Championships and this, like, app. And so he trained me for a few months. And so he trained me for a few months, not prepared. I was losing. I won one game against an engineer and that felt really

incredible. And I played with people with decades of experience. I played with some of the world's best players, grandmasters. I learned a lot. And then I had two devastating losses. Like, humiliating. Humiliating. So I'm training for the New York tournament in January. So we have a clip of you playing against- Oh my God. Yeah, that's Mochi. It's a world champion. Yeah. It's really funny. because like I didn't know he existed and then when I was there every time I saw him I was like it's mochi but I never knew about that man before um oh my god this is so fun and you did lose I did lose but he has the lowest error rate of any player in the world um which is like two point something like they all are obsessed with him he is really funny like he was so funny and silly but he's a yeah he's a professional and he was awesome and I learned some really good moves from him and it was in Monte Carlo yeah which is kind of a

where James Bond plays Baccarat. Yeah, it's a tax haven for oligarchs, and it's pretty disgusting. I saw a yacht with a helicopter on top of it. I saw a lot of rich children with iPads. I saw a lot of mini Burke and Kellys, a lot of sex workers who are not allowed to really speak. So it sounds cool.

Yeah, there was a lot of marvel. But everyone was hot, like, a lot of hot people. I love, like the ballet guys were like the hottest guys I'd ever seen. So just to back up. But I'll tell you, it's so expensive there. I had a chicken Caesar salad, a peroni, and I got an iced coffee to go,

and it was 89 euros. Wow. That's cool. Yeah, it's like a fucked up place. And of course the Russians are the most tacky on the whole goddamn strip of land. You almost goes without saying. Yeah.

So now, but why do you, backgammon, You have an obsessive quality. You get very into something. Because, like, you know, it can be a public murder. Yeah. Or it can be a game of sorts. So, like, you're able to play competitive backgammon. Were you always playing backgammon?

So I always played with my father. Like, I've been playing backgammon in my whole life with my family. And though my nephews play. So, like, I've always played casually or, like, here and there. And what are the triangles for? That's, like, how you move. It's, like, each step. And you're trying to get your babies all the way home.

And you want to, and you're trying not. to get hit by the other people or you have to start over. But like I was playing with my dad casually and I met a lot of people that like learned with their grandparents and parents. And then once you start learning the game, which I'm new to, that's when you're like, oh, my dad had no idea what's going on. You know, you realize your parents are flawed. But like, yeah, we would play too safe. Like you have to take risks. So there's there, I've learned like gameplay and how to count stuff. Like I've just learned way more in the last three months than I have in my whole life. So I always thought like, oh yeah, I love

backgammon, but now it's like, oh, fuck, I'm competing against, like, gambling degenerates, and then people so deep in the spectrum, they're, like, counting, like, you won't believe. Like, you won't believe it. A lot of people who got all the doses of the MMR. A lot of the, like, extra MMR. I got, I have a backgammon tournament. I got to hit me with that Rubella vaccine. I got to be on my best game.

I want the rotavirus one. I want, I want to have B. I want to have C. And it's like, a lot of people, like, yeah, they move so smooth. that's sexy. Because I was losing, but that people were building their primes, and it does look beautiful. And then you learn about the subcultures. I bought a necklace. I bought it like

a backgammon necklace. Oh, there's always merch. Yeah, there's always... You get deep into something. And I had to buy new dice because in the middle of a game of this girl comes up to me that I know from New York, and she goes, you can't play with those dice. Because my dice had holes in them, which isn't aerodynamic enough. And so you have to use precision dice where they're painted

on. So I did have to buy two sets of dice. Wow. Because you want to do separate color. Yeah, like, it wasn't like thinking I was going to come into these tournaments and like do well to these things like they've been dedicated for years. Some part of you. Some part of you thought that you were going to be like Bobby Fisher. No, never. Like you're going to walk in searching Bobby Fisher. Like you're like you know, checkmate, checkmate, checkmate, or whatever the fuck. No, because I started working with Mark Olson, the grandma, one of the grandmasters. So once I started working with him and reading his book,

I realized I have a lot to learn. Um, and so I went in open minded. But then and even some of my losses, I learned a lot. I didn't make errors. Like I was doing. Well, the ones I was upset about her where I was sloppy, sloppy, bad, forgot my lessons. I don't want to let my teacher down. Deep down, I just want to do a good job, you know? Honestly, that feels like the way you said that is a natural segue into another thing you got obsessed with is heated rivalry. Change my life. Change my life.

You're laughing at me. They're laughing. It truly changed my life. So because it's such a good show. Yeah. Because of the sexual chemistry between the two leads and the heart. And hockey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you've like, it's like affected, like, you've taken on hobbies because of this now.

Yeah, I start, well, because I'm Russian, but I realized like, oh, I didn't know all the words he used. And then I was like, I should be doing more Russian television. So I've been working with a Russian professor weekly to, like, strengthen my Russian. And it's actually helped my relationship with my parents because now my mom texts me in Russian and I'm learning how to read and write. And it's all coming back to me. So that's been really great.

I hadn't read in like 12 years. I've now read like 30 books this year, just like roaring through. Because it heated up. Yeah, because she has six books in the series, and then she has two other gay hockey books. And then that led me to gay historical books by Kat Sebastian. And, like, they're set in the 50s in New York. And then of course, now I'm reading James Baldwin. I mean, I can't believe what happened to my life. It's like so cool. So just on like a given week, you're reading James Baldwin, learning Russian, mastering back. Yeah. Like, you think you're better? You think you better than me? But also, like, I started hypnotherapy because then I realized I want love. And then I was like stopping myself from it because I was so inspired. by heated rivalry. So now I'm like, I don't know if I'm looking for love. I'm mostly on field. But I have like fucked some freaks. And, um, but I'm on the journey. So I hadn't dated in like years. So I'm like dating. I'm more fun. I quit smoking weed all day every day. Um, so I'm not a daily weed smoker anymore. And it was all because of Jacob Tierney and these boys. And Rachel

Reed, God bless her. Because you were vaguely insulted by the fact that the, and you, and also So it seems sounds like quite depressed. Yeah. Seems like you were in actually a crisis. You were in a state of crisis. And this show got me out. And Connor's story reaches down and just pulls you up and says, my Russian accent is embarrassingly good compared to what yours should be.

And now you're reading James Baldwin and going to Monte Carlo. Yeah. Yeah, making eye contact with baristas. Like, I'm just out. Now, you know. But I was also inspired by, like such a beautiful love story and they did such a good job and in terms of like

making television such a small budget such like only in 36 days and like they just did something so incredible I love that do you think that if you hadn't do you think heated rivalry had to be the thing or were you about to start getting better and something was

going to be like if you had happened to click over into a different show you'd watch Widows Bay would you be in the Cape right now learning how to fucking clown. I actually was just in P-Town for the first time living and I was crying in Peatown imagining Shane and Ilya there for the first time because I was like they're gonna like they don't even know the gay life ahead of them like I was just like imagining them in the back of a petty cab but like a loving life in Peatown. Have you seen the there's been this story of a woman

a Disney adult who travels following Peter Pan around Disney and too obsessive away? Do you worry that that's something in your future that you'll that all of a sudden Connor's story will like kind of open a window shade and there you'll be being like I'm back a game of back Kevin, perhaps? No, because I have too much respect for his craft. I'd leave him alone. But I plan on, like, how. No, I think about this all the time what my life would be like and the sliding doors

if I never watched Tied rivalry. I really think about it because my life is so different than it was before I watched it. And, yeah, I, like, I'm curious if I would still be smoking weed all day every day and just depressed and not fucking people off the internet, you know? Texting my mom in English, you know? I just, I wonder. Yeah, you'll never know. Sliding Doors.

Now, you've hosted your podcast. That's messed up for nearly six years. Damn, yeah, we're about to hit 300 ups. This is a, you go through every episode of Law and Order SVU. Yeah, not in order, but the ones based on true crimes, yeah. And you've become a bit of an expert in true crime. I feel like you only have really two settings. Full on or, yeah.

You're not an, you're a digital switch. Either you're not in or you're 100%. focused. And it feels like true crime is something that has you. It just had me for a while. Like I always, like in fifth grade, we went to Niagara Falls, me and my family, and I forced them to take me to the serial killer wax museum. And all the photos, like, they're so upset, and I'm quite happy. But I thought I was going to be a forensic psychologist. So it started a long time ago, but I'm like too fun of a person to do that. And so I found this a new way in

where I study a lot and I've come up with my own theories on things. and like, yeah, learned a lot, but it has changed my brain, and I've ruined the vibes of social gatherings often. Not my gatherings. And you know what that sound means? It's time for a game we're calling Goodridden's, hope you had the crime of your life. Oh.

Where we're going to go through a series of questions about true crime. First up, true or false, the official scientific term for police analysis of fingerprints is dactyloscopy. I don't know. It sounds like a dinosaur. I don't know. I'm going to say false. No, it's true.

Okay. And the broader study of fingerprints is called dermatoglyphics. Cool. Cool. I learned that just now. As a follow-up, what Australian animal has fingerprints that are nearly identical to humans, even under an electron microscope? I mean, I want to say, I'll say koala.

Correct. Okay. Can you believe that? No, I was about to say platypus to, like, be cooler. Okay, I'm glad I said koala. The duck billed platypus looms so large in the mind of a child. Yeah. You don't come across them at all once you're an adult.

I've seen them once. In Australia. Oh, that's where they keep them. Yeah. And the Beanie Baby is one of the more powerful Beanie Babies. Oh, yeah. The purple. A lot of energy in that Beanie Baby. Next up, proposed in 1963, the McDonald Triad are three behaviors said to be predictive of serial violence. What are those three behaviors?

So it's like what people. Okay, like killing animals. Correct. That's one. Being a peeping Tom. No. Um. Oh. Killing animals being a dumb bitch.

What else? I don't know. Setting fires. Arson. That's two of three. Arson animals. Not peeping Tom, huh? Like isolated, like a loner? The third is wetting the bed. Which is like...

Well, that's actually, I'm really curious because... Like, that's the sign that someone's being abused. Right. So I wonder. if that's kind of connected. Because there's a criminalologist that I love where he's like,

you can be born a socio and that's like having a gun but then abuse is the trigger that pulls it. So I wonder if that's the wedding, the bed. I wonder. How many people do you have to kill

over what amount of time to be considered a serial killer? This is so funny because I learned this from episode three of heated rivalry. It has to be like over three days apart. Like has seen more than three days separation of the killings?

It's three or more killings, but over the course of one month. Oh, one month? Yeah. Okay. Ted Bundy was arrested multiple times for what before he was finally pegged as a serial killer? Oh, I thought it was going to be, um, he was like such a peeping Tom. I'm going to be terrible driver. Correct.

Yeah. He was a terrible driver. Yeah. That was what he got arrested for. Lisa Trager. Go to Lisa Trager. for live dates. Check out her special Night Owl on Netflix. Yeah, please. Yeah. And we'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Love It or Leave It is brought

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Go to selectquote.com slash love it today to get started. And we're back. Please welcome to the stage. Emmy nominated from Hacks. It's Lauren Weidman. Hi, welcome. Thanks for being here. I'm so good to see you.

Oh, my God, like a talk show. Yeah. I've never done one, so this is my dream. It's exactly like a talk show. somehow. It's nice to meet you. It's nice to have you on the show. Okay.

So now, you are nominated for an Emmy for Best Guest Actress in a Comedy for your role as the mayor of Las Vegas in Hacks. Which of your other four guest star pals, Leslie Bibb, Caitlin Olson,

Cherry Jones, and Lori Metcalf, would you most like to see Luz? Mighty laugh. I, God, I, well, I hope they all lose, obviously, right? But which ones? It's all the ones from hacks, right?

Yeah, those are all the ones from hacks. There's also Jamie Lee Curtis and Betty Gilpin. I really wanted Jamie Lee Curtis to win because she seems so good. You know, like such a good person, like maybe learn about the other side of life. Okay, I hate that for you. You do?

Of all the people on this list, I want Jamie Lee Curtis to lose the most, and I'll tell you why. That's what I was saying. Oh, you agree. Yes, I was saying her too. I was saying I wish it could be her because she's had such a, you know, because she's so good.

She's so good. Maybe you cut down to size. I just feel like Jamie Curtis wins an Emmy. It just goes on the fucking shelf. You know what I'm saying? I think for all of them, they're all pretty accomplished. I mean, except for, well, they're all pretty accomplished. They're all, I mean, they're all, these are not people, you know, I wasn't like, you know,

I'm sure. This is one thing I thought when I found out, I was like, I'm sure I'm the only nominee who's driving like a 2009 shitty car that the AC just like went on on the way here, you know? that is, I'm fairly certain of that. And I'm like, how much does everybody have their bank account? How much is, like, I'm sure, you know what I mean? Like, these are, these are all women that are probably loved by others. You know, not that I'm just within their own home.

Like, probably has somebody who's like, how are you doing today, honey? You know? Like, I don't have those perks. We should put up a big, a big picture of, uh, of you on a billboard and just says, she needs this. Yeah. I feel like people sense that. People are like saying that to me already.

They're just like, oh, Lauren. Oh, God, you finally. You deserve it. And I'm like, yeah, I'm like this much less an asshole now. Like, now I don't look like an idiot. Oh, these are all your note cards. Have your dress picked out? Thanks for asking.

No, no. I didn't really. I have like a stylus and stuff now. I know, which is so, it's embarrassing. I mean, sorry, I should really, I need to breathe it in. Like, I have a stylist and I like it and I deserve it. Yeah, but that's that.

But I do think that, like, I, like, it must be, like, you know, you've been, you've had a ton of guest star roles. You have been, like, fucking hustling. And this is a moment where, like, you're getting, like, a ton of acclaim as, like, you moved your hand and rejected a claim. I don't know why. I'm just being moody. You're right. It's true. It's true. I'm glad for it. I already got in trouble with, like, HBO who was like for the, I had to do a special media training thing.

Because they were like, you're not really mentioning like, you know, how happy, you know, the show and HBO and stuff like that. And I was like, well, I think it's a given. I wouldn't be being interviewed, right? If it wasn't for age, we're like, well, it'd be nice if you put something in there, you know, instead of just like, you know, I'm adopted and I've had a lot of divorces. You know, they're like, could you really show the rest of, or I'll say like, nobody who talked to me a lot of times on the set. But it's because I'm so old. You know, it's, they're not, you're not, you're not, you're not supposed to do, you know, you have to. No, you're supposed to do the, there's a sort of a, there's sort of a set of rules you're supposed to follow. Yes, but I don't, I don't like to reveal my, my more vulnerable emotions like, like, joy. You know what I mean?

Like, I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be an asshole again and reveal that. And next thing you know, you're up there like, I'm so happy. And everyone's like, I bet you aren't now. And I'm like, you're right. Like, I want to keep my arms down and get ready for punches. Or arms up, ready for punches. That was the total opposite. Yes.

Right. If your arms are down, you're vulnerable to the punches. Yes, yes, yes. I got it. I got it. I got it. I think this is going well. Hey, did any real-life mayors inspire your character?

No, people ask me about that because I guess at the time of the, when the chauffeur started, it was based on a little bit of the actual mayor. But I was the celebrity grand marshal of the gay pride parade in Vegas, which I asked them if I could do that. It worked out well. I didn't put celebrity in there. They did. Anyway, but I got to meet the actual

Vegas mayor right now, and she was, no, I didn't get, I liked her, but wasn't inspired. You know what I mean? Yeah. That sounds harsh. I don't wish ill on her, obviously.

No, no, and no one thought you did, but you're, you... Just covering it, just covering it just in case, cover my bases. No, I think people love to hear, I don't wish any ill, but you're fine. I think it's a great way to fix what you said, so you're in good shape.

And I think, honestly, I feel like the media training is working. It's working really well. I know. I feel like you're coming across like a Polish communications pro-fessional. I know. I told them, don't worry about it. I'm a talker. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, are you inspired by any real-life mayors? No. No. No, I mean, no, I looked at, I look, I look, because politicians are so much like actors, too. You know, just the ego of just like, I don't give a shit. I'm sitting here. You know, like there's a little bit of, I just picked up on that.

Well, it's interesting, though. That's funny to think about politicians versus. as actors, because they do have that, they have that thing in common, which is, um, they're, they're very, there's a neediness and an ego,

but also a fear of, of being seen as being demanding sometimes. Right. And so you get a lot of like, um, I just like, is it cold in here, you know,

as opposed to, it's cold in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you don't want to come off as like stating something that you believe, um,

whether you actually feel. Yeah, there's also, there's, I remember I was working, I was a guest star on a show and Cory Booker was dating Rosario Dawson, right? That's right at the time, yeah.

And so he came on set to visit and stuff. And man, did he blend well? Like, he was just so, like, just jokey and funny and cute and wanted to be, you know, amongst the, you know, wanted to be a part of the whole scene, I guess. I thought he would be in a, I don't know, sitting in a back of a car reading books about history or how, you know, or about the water systems.

Well, maybe he's seen heated rivalry, and so now he's finally doing that. Yeah, oh, I haven't seen Heat of Rivalry. That sounds a fucking... It's beautiful. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. I feel like there's some things I'm...

We're now cramming all the Emmy stuff in case I run into people. Oh, what are you watching? Well, I'm... Are you going to test me? I started... Well, I started watching beef. Beef.

Beef. Beef. Beef. Beef. Yeah. Beef. Beef. I watched it actually when I was in Monte Carlo.

I watched all of season two of beef. Well, that's a good way to use your time when you're in Europe. Well, between two and... five in the morning, that's what I was doing. I think that's okay. I think that's all right. Hey. Hey, what?

Does everyone here need help? What do you mean? You're just up watching beef from two to three in the five in the morning in Monte Carlo? Yeah. When are you sleeping? I would sleep until 11. Then we would go to the conference room hotel around noon and then we would work until 1, 1.30 in the morning and then I'd be back.

Wow. But I need to unwind. You got unwind. Is that okay? Yeah. I don't know. No, yeah, I, I, beef, well, we won't have to get into. It's good, I like it.

It's good. Yeah. Shut up. What, don't you like? I like, no, I like it. I like it. What shows you hate? What shows you hate?

There's none. There's none. I'm so in awe of what actors are able to do. And they always blow me away, the dedication. Hell yeah. Somewhere in a PR executive HBO is like, I did my job today. Yeah, exactly. Got a little treat for me at the end of day.

Totally. Double stuff Oreo for me because I did a good job today. Yeah. Does it feel different to be part of a show that is like, you know, you, like where. So successful, the show is like, like, yes. Yeah, it's different, right? Yeah, it is different because every, I didn't, I worked on the show like, you know, every season, maybe one or two times, sometimes up to three.

But every time I'd go there, I'd, I'd, people were just getting better and better looking. First of all, season to season, everyone's teeth. got brighter and everybody, you know what I mean? Like just... That happens on drag race too. Right. Everyone starts making more money. Is that it?

And they come back with like veneers. Yes, yes. And everyone's just a bit more of this and more sure themselves and a little more competition of just like, I have my own special. I have two specials. I just shot them and I don't have a kidney. Like they're all like, I do this. I mean, they're not.

They're all really good people. I hope I'm being clear about that. No, that's good. Okay. But yeah. And they're all... I remember the fourth season when I, when I went to go work, they'd all just won a Golden Globe.

Like, you know, they were just constantly like, oh, last night was crazy. Hi, Lauren. And again, that's not what they were really like. That's just a comedic portrayal. For sure. Yeah, and that's coming across. Yeah, no.

Good, good, yeah. Because usually I try to bounce if it's a joke, but people can't see me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, a little shoulders. Yeah, yeah, a little more. Yeah. Yeah.

So it doesn't come across too serious, you know. But no, I think it's great. I mean, obviously, I don't think I'd be nominated if it wasn't such a hint. people noticed it so much so it was such a big hit, right? I think it's like a testament though to how good you are on hacks

and you are so fucking funny on hacks. Oh, thank you. I just want to pay you a direct comment. You are so funny. Thank you. And you make, you make such a, like, I think sometimes there's like, especially that like people that have like kind of when they show up as like a big famous guest star

and they make a meal of it, it's a little bit like, all right, out of the way, I'm trying to watch my show. Right. Yes, yes. But you have. are, you make every, you bring such a, like, unexpected community energy to every scene you're in. And it's so, every choice you make is so surprising and funny and interesting. And not what I think anyone else would do if they were given that same role. And I think it speaks to that that you're in

the running with this group of like, like, like, big time celebs. Amazing. Amazing. Yes, I know. It is sort of, I do feel like I snuck in where I'm just like, how did, I was super shocked too. And were you shocked? Yeah, I wasn't, yeah, definitely. And I got worried about how will I, I immediately, because I'm neurotic like that, where I was like, how am I going to take this all, like taking so many compliments? Like, thank you, thank you.

How did, I can't like it's... How was this for you? It was good because I didn't know how you felt about me. I knew I couldn't quite read you. And so then when you're really like, I want to tell you something right now, then I was like, oh, I think he means it. It felt like you meant it.

I did. Well, honestly, I felt like I had to do that to get over whatever's happening between us. Is it? No, but I really, I really, and there's, this is cool. I really, first of all, there's got to be a part of you that's like, like, hey, like, I've fucking been here. I've been funny the whole goddamn, why, like, you know what I mean?

Like, why, oh, you're noticing that I'm hilarious now? I've been funny the whole fucking time. Yeah, well, I had some, you know, dips, but I guess what I, I feel like is that now I'm ready, like even just doing publicity and that kind of stuff, and stuff that I normally would be like, I don't know how to, like, it's, I feel ready for it. I feel super grateful. Like I do feel very, because I'm, you know, 57. I am sort of like, wow, I feel less, the first thought I had was like, oh my God, I feel a little bit less of an asshole. Because I felt like as a guest star, most of my friends who had to give it up. They're just like, we can't survive. You know, there's not

enough money in this. And I was like, well, I'll just keep going because someday double sixes. Like, I just kept, you know, even though I'm not making enough money, it wasn't, but so it felt so nice to suddenly just not feel like an asshole that it all had sort of accumulate, and that I got to do a part where they let me do, they just let me do what I want to do. They give me, and there's some lines. But I, they really give you a lot of leeway, and I have a lot, I have a lot of pent-up energy where I was like, well, I could, like, cut me off when you want me, like, I can go and go and go, so I was ready for it.

That part was a good fit. Now, how is, like, you were on the Daily Show Yeah. In 2000. Yeah, ew. Not you, but ew, right? It's a long ago. Yeah, yeah, time.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Ew. Yeah, it's alarming every time. It is a long time. Yeah, totally. I referred, made a reference to Mayor Rudy Giuliani and someone in the audience did say, I don't remember that. I'm 28.

Oh. And I was like, oh, yeah, 28 isn't old enough to remember the stories I remember from the early part of my own. Yes. Adulthood. Yes, yes. I've been through that. What was it?

What did you learn from that? Like, that was very early in the Daily Show. John Stewart had just taken over, I believe. Yes, that's right. What was it? Like, like, what? Just a blessing. It was, it was, well, when I first got there, people were like, I was, oh, God, I'm like, Lauren, what's you?

When I first got there, it, what, people were saying, like, there's not a lot of women on the show. They don't tend to do super well. Like, it's just not a great. environment for that, but just be cool. Don't ask a lot of questions and don't, don't, you know, touch him or that sort of thing. Or like, sure. Well, like, I wasn't like, here he comes, I'm going to touch him. No, Laura, I'm going to touch him. I wasn't like insane. It is a bad sign when someone at work tells you not to touch people. Yeah, yeah. That's what I want to be clear. I wasn't actually told that until after I

touched him. After I'd worked there a while, yeah. But no, it was, it was a, I never had a TV my first TV job. And so I suddenly went from like being a theater person to being in a, in this like super cool show. And I was just anxiety the entire time about not, but playing it too cool. I got brought into the producer's office because they were like, John feels like you're treating this like it's a walk in the park.

Like you could take it or leave it. And I was like, he does? And I was, well, I gotta go tell him. And so I see him like, John, I saw it get said. And everyone's like, don't do that, don't do that. Like stop going. And so I was, I don't do that. Okay, I sit here.

And like, don't, don't sit here. Don't come in unless you know you, like you have to come in every day, don't come in every day. That kind of stuff, where I was like, I don't, I don't, you know, I found it really hard to figure out where to be you in that show, though I always loved it and I always loved John. I was also hungry for a note,

always assuming I must be doing something wrong, so I'm sort of, I couldn't, I didn't handle it that way, because they were, when she would say that to me, I'd be like, right, right, be more grateful, be more grateful. Okay, I got to tell them more things about myself, I think. Okay, like I did every sort of wrong choice. It was great to be a part of that show, though I was always a big dummy.

I didn't know who Kofi Annan was. Did Kofi Annan know who Kofi Annan was? Oh my God. That's what I always think when I say that. And all right, we got it. Now, all right, we'll be right back. Okay. Hey, don't go anywhere.

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You already know that five days a week, I, Jane Koston, bring you the need-to-know news and expert analysis on the big stories shaping today and tomorrow. Stories like how social media warps our perception of the world and the strange reality of who is signing up to work for ice. All in less time than it takes to roast a chicken. And now, What Today episodes will be hitting your YouTube and podcast feeds in the afternoons. You'll get the breaking news even faster. Check out What Today. Now dropping in the PM on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back.

I want to mention first, you can catch up on the final season of hacks on HBO Max before the Emmys. And you go to at Lauren underscore Weidman on Instagram for tickets to your show on August 28th. Oh, yes, that's right. On the 29th. Oh, shit. I probably told you it was the 28th even. And on either the 28th or the 29th. In Hudson.

Come early on the 28th for the show on the 29th. Oh, that's right. an awesome way to spend it. Thank you, yes. And catch Lisa on survival of the thickest on Netflix. Ooh. This is exciting. All right. Now it's time for the rant wheel. Here's how it works. We spin a wheel wherever it lands. We talk about the, nope, that's how it used to work. Wherever it lands, that person rants for a bit, which will be all of us. The wheel serves no function when you actually think about it. we're in year 10 of this show

and we never cracked how to use the fucking wheel it used to be the wheel had topics on it which kind of makes sense and it would land on there but then that would just be the topic someone said they were going to rant so the wheel served no purpose it was fake

then we abandoned that all together and now it just has our faces on it but you don't want to let it go no that's good let's spin the wheel let's land on Lauren what is your topic

you have 60 seconds I have 60 seconds my topic is about how about how women are aging women. I know it's already like snor Rooney, at least. When I was younger, I would make fun of women who were trying to still got it. I would make fun of that, or if they were complaining all the time,

like, you know, I need a special mat because my knees are, I'm allergic to broccoli or whatever. I just thought every weakness was like, oh, my God. And now I realize how unfair that was. And I'm like, why wasn't it instilled earlier to show a little bit of respect for the elder wise ladies of the world? Like, why is it always, like, why, I'm part of the problem.

I'm part of the rant, too, is that I'm sick of, I'm sick of my own judgment. But, like, even if I put on, sometimes I put on, like, a little bit too much makeup, I'll be like, wipe it off, old lady, what are you trying to prove? You know, and I think, well, I don't want to feel that way about myself, but there's, you know, you know, how it is. And even in the dating world, too, I have friends who were the same age on the same dating app, but we'll never run across each other because they've set their age things so much lower, you know? Yeah, thank you for listening.

I remember when I was single and I asked the crowd at a love it or leave it show. I was like, I, you remember, Beth, I remember. I said to the crowd, I was like, I am 40. What should my age range be? And they all said something like 27 to 53. And then I was like, wait, but how many of you actually think my age range should be set to 53, or are you just telling me what you think you're supposed to say about the range, you want the range above to be equal to the range below because you want to feel better about

yourself, you know what I'm saying? Right, well, that's nice they've even thought to do that. My friends are just like, ugh, don't go over 52. So that's nice, that's a good, you've got quality people around you. I'm sorry, that upset you. No, no, it's a good point about them. Yeah. A good group of people. I know, it's just tough. You don't want to have to, like, be taking people to, like, medical appointments, you know? But then who's going to love the people who need medical appointments? Their own age.

Their own age. Yeah, I guess that's true. These men in their 50s trying to snatch a young gal and then she's got to take care of them. And I don't like that for them. No, I know. I'm always like, enjoy the great pubic hairs. To some of my exes. To some of my exes.

Where I'm like, have fun with that. But I do believe in everyone dressing. partying how they want. Yeah. Absolutely. Into the old age. Yeah. I mean, great puberty here is the goal.

Is that or death? Let's spin it again. It's a blessing. Easier up. Okay. Listen, this might seem obvious, but it's not. But like, if you're at the theater, shut your fucking mouth. Why are you talking?

Why are you talking? What are you doing? You talk after the show. There's not even an intermission. Like, it's a 90-minute show. It's just like, I've been. fighting with people for so long. And I'm sick of yelling and I'm sick of people talking.

And then I have to, you're ruining my time. If it's dark and there's a light on one person over there, that's the only person that should be speaking. And also, you can just laugh. You don't actually have to look at the person next to you and like, should we be laughing? Just like laugh. Shut your mouth and keep it moving. It just like sickens me.

I think I got to keep talking. Well, I was humiliated recently. I did go to an off-Broadway show and I was yelling at the people in front of me. shut up and then I realized it was the aunt and the cousins of the performer. And then we were the only ones left in the house seats to meet the performer after. And she's like, come say hi, it's my family. I go, it got

volatile. So of course I feel bad. I yelled at this person's family, but it's like, shut the fuck up. Like, I don't understand. It really... I don't get it either. I don't get that either. People spend so much money time getting babysitters, paying for parking, like getting these tickets, getting

to this show, and then you're by a babbling motherfucker. Like, how does, how do people not know that? I'm also surprised. No, and they act like I'm crazy when I react. There's this,

I had to yell at someone at the Casey Musgraves concert. I had to yell at someone at a screening of the movie Fire Island that was then going to be on Hulu in three hours. It's like, you could have watched shit at home. You could have watched shit at home. There's something about, I see it, like, that there's,

people have no attentions, man. We've all ruined our brains. And so people are in the theater. and they know, like even, like, there are people that are just rude. There are rude people. There's always been rude people. It's certain kind of new,

I was like sort of like a soft rudeness where it's like, I know I should be quiet, but I just want to say one thing. And it's like, no, bitch, that's the one thing you can't do. Not just one thing. It's, you failed. It's two hours, quiet the whole time.

If you were talk one time, you didn't kind of do it. You fucked up. Shut the fuck up. Nobody wants your comment. save it. And when it's positive, I saw a play and they kept going, she's incredible.

Oh my God, this is good. And it's like just, you can say it after. Like, she's still going to be good. It's really fucking crazy. I went to go see a show. It doesn't matter where. But I'll just give the address. No, I was kidding. But they, I was with a friend who in the middle of it, full voice. She goes, I feel like I'm watching like a bad acting

class. And I was like, oh my God, that was for, I also sort of admire the fact that when people don't could not have no awareness of others around them. That's always mesmerizing to me. Oh yeah, I have another rant. Just don't wear cologne on a fucking flight. How about that?

Yeah, that's a dumb, too. So crazy. Let's spin it again. So crazy. Isn't it all kind of preset or? Yeah. Okay. No, that's it.

Look, I'm going to get, there's too many pasta shapes. And I know it's just like, and I, and here's the thing about, it is I'm in, what bothers me about it is not that there's so many pasta shapes. In fact, I enjoy many different pasta shapes. It's that we're all meant to pretend that this is fine and for adults. Like, there's no other food. Like, I get the value of different, you know, linguine versus spaghetti versus angel hair. They serve a different function and different shapes of food. I totally understand that part of it. But now we're getting into bow ties, spirals, if you silly, I like all of it. I'm interested in all

of it. But we're being, this is this is Play-Doh. We're playing with our food. This is absurd. Like, these are dinosaurs. These might as well be kid shapes. Like, stop acting like, oh, Italy's the most sophisticated place with the best food in the fucking world. This is children's food. Wow, that's bold.

But the mini shells, you know, the sauce goes in them. It's nice. For sure. I don't think it's my best rant. I've done several hundred of these shows. Tortolini. I'm putting that one in a That was like a sub... But I am impressed...

The night that I'm on is when you do your shitty rant? Seems so. Oh, man. But I am impressed that you know that you did see the integrity of the difference between spaghetti, Angel Hair, and Linguini. I thought that would be a rage point. This is the problem with being a liberal, which is I can't help myself but see nuance everywhere. Yeah.

And midway through my own rant about pasta shapes, I had to say, well, obviously, then there's different shapes that serve a different, different sauces cling to different amount. You have to have, you know, a different... you know, Bolognaz, it's going to sort of be better for, like, a tagliata obviously to understand that. And so then by the time you get to the end of hearing a liberal talk about an issue, you're like, well, what do the fuck do you even believe? Yeah, because you were talking about the...

My real problem is with the fucking liberals. Yeah. This is... I hate myself. Oh, God. That's what my problem is. I hate myself. That's what I always say.

I hated me first. I win. Yeah, I'm a competitive. I love a cold pasta salad, but imagining certain noodle shapes cold is like, oh, you know? Yeah. It's crazy. Such an important point. But I never thought about that, yeah.

Wow, I want a pesto fucking pasta salad. We'll be right back. And we're back. And now another wonderful night draws to a close. But could any small tweaks possibly have made tonight's show any more perfect? Probably not. But we'll find out in a segment we're calling second thoughts. Here's how works.

The producers of this program have handed me a list of things I should not have said or done this evening. Lisa and Lauren, if you have any regrets about me or anything you might have said on this show, now is the time to share them. I'll start with the monologue. I laid out a scenario where I'd vote for Trump. I explained that the Epstein joke was better than the JFK joke rather than letting the materials speak for itself. I did call Lisa a trans swimmer. which was an odd thing to just say

did it bother you no I thought it was fun and I was a swimmer so I was like more excited that he caught that from me oh you felt seen yeah I did suggest that there's a connection between the MMR vaccine and being good at backgammon

yeah I heard that I heard that I liked it oh I have so many regrets what that's this is my favorite part of the show by the way because I was like oh my god you get to do on stage what I do every 10 minutes. I wished I had not. I told myself, don't mention the HBO's,

don't mention the training. Just take it in, take the note, lady, and just move on. But instead, I just keep telling everybody, like, I guess I got in trouble. And then I sort of retell what I did. And I was thinking, and then as you were, after I got doing that, as you were talking, I was like, this is a wildly popular show.

I was like, I just did it on a wildly popular show. Like, the other one, I think people could have missed it. But this one, people are going to really hear it. So I guess I regret, I guess, being here. I'm just kidding. Another thing that I could potentially regret is I did at some point ask, does everyone here need help? Yeah.

And we do. Yeah, we do. We all do. We all need help. Yeah. I know some people in the audience. I know they do. Yeah.

We can't all be good at everything. No. We need help. Do you have any regrets, Lizzie? Yeah. I ate like, I don't know, I've been burping my lunch and I hate it. And so that's been really upsetting up here. And that's pretty much it.

I've had a good time. I mean, obviously I wish I talked more about heated rivalry. And that's our show. Thank you so much to Lauren Weiman and Lisa Trager. There are 83 days until the midterms. We'll be back Friday with David Packman, Jim Rash, and Congressman Ted Lou. Have a great night, everybody. Love and or Leave it.

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