Lovett or Leave It - Don't Believe Your Lying Eyes

Episode Date: January 10, 2026

This week, JD Vance and Kristi Noem lie about a killing in Minneapolis. Donald Trump seizes Venezuela’s oil and Greenland’s attention. George Civeris and Andy Kindler stop by to evaluate upside food pyramids and dictator athleisure, while Jameela Jamil questions our answers about trad wives, TikTok and Heated Rivalry. And we end the show by resolving to get even more annoyed in 2026. For a closed-captioned version of this episode, click here. For a transcript of this episode, please email [e-mail] and include the name of the podcast.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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We have got a great show for you tonight. George Severus is here. Andy Kimler is here. They're going to help me be the arbiters of what's good. And Jamila Jamil is here. She'll join us for the best roundup of the worst trends. Then we will kick off our new year with some new peeves. All right.

But first, let's get into it. What a week. Sure. As we bid farewell to Old Man 2025, we wondered what kind of year would 20206? be sure it would begin with us dutifully attending to our new wellness routines, which I assume for you, like me, involves a selection of different morning powders, blended into a chalky green smoothie that can best be described as a non-neutonian health fluid.

But it wasn't long before we had our answer. 2026 would be a year with a war for oil in Venezuela and state violence on the streets in Minneapolis. The news was enough to make you feel sick to your stomach, worried you might throw up the combination of collagen, creatine, probiotics, fiber, protein, and pulverized vegetables, your body barely wanted you to keep down anyway. And I know we're at a comedy show, but we're also in America. We can't just crack jokes and goof around and have the time of our lives. This isn't Riyadh.

On Wednesday morning, a masked ice officer shot and killed a woman named Renee Nicole Good in her Honda pilot on a suburban Minneapolis street shortly after she dropped off her six-year-old son at an elementary school nearby. When Good's death hit the news, the Trump administration began lying about it almost instantly. Trump wrote on true social,

the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing, and resisting, who then violently, willfully, and viciously, ran over the ICE officer who seems to have shot her in self-defense based on the attached clip. It is hard to believe he is alive, but is now recovering in the hospital.

Trump concluded this post by saying, I'd say more, but they're telling me I can't use my phone in the MRI machine for my weekly still perfect exam. Everyone having a camera in their pocket at all times means you can ruin your entire life for splitting your pants while bending over to pick up a hot dog you dropped at Dodger Stadium

or for demanding good service at a Dunkin' Donuts even though it happens to be Christmas. But it also means we can compare what the administration says to what we can see with our own eyes. Video of the incident from multiple angles shows the driver turning to get around the ice agent who positioned himself in front of the car and we can see the ICE agent shooting as the car passes him.

On Thursday, J.D. Vance spoke to the press from the White House, furious about, of course, the press coverage. And this is the headline. I'm just going to read it. Outrage after ICE officer kills U.S. citizen in Minneapolis. Now, that is a completely factual description of what is happening. So what's the problem? What that headline leaves out is that that woman has, as part of a broader left-wing network to attack, to docks, to assault,

and to make it impossible for our ICE officers to do their job. I too hate when the headlines leave out the part that I wish were true, like how I was voted off Survivor first because my penis is too big. Kept tripping over it, hard enough to run in the sand. But then, when press done what we actually see in the video, Vanceco's full postmodern.

I mean, you presumably have watched the video yourself. You still believe that she'd be. deliberately tried to round him despite, despite seeing this video. Look, I don't know what it's in a person's heart or in a person's head, and obviously we're not going to get the chance to ask this woman what was going on. What I am certain of is that she violated the law. Vance described it as an attack. He said she was a deranged leftist, part of a vast network.

He said she aimed her car at the officer. He said she tried to hit him. You don't get to do wild speculation and then say, I'm not going to do wild speculation. The horse is out of the barn. The toothpaste is out of the tube. The flight you booked is nonrefundable. and it is at 6 a.m. as if you didn't know what that would feel like the night before. And after repeatedly lying about this woman, the vice president had the audacity to tell the media to turn down the temperature by sticking to his story.

One of the ways we tone down the temperature is to have a media that tells the truth. I encourage you all to do that. This for a man who moments before said this. This is classic terrorism. This is classic terrorism. This is diet terrorism. Over here we have terrorism zero. I like diet caffeine-free terrorism. treat before bed. Bant seems genuinely more angry about the headlines than about the tragedy itself, and he is hectoring us about respecting the facts and turning down the temperature when he works for Donald Trump.

It's like Guy Fieri spokesperson and coming to the podium and shaking his head and saying in sadness, I think we can all agree to chill out with the donkey sauce. Your boss is the source of the donkey sauce. He's the reason we're all slathering on the donkey sauce in the first place. But what do you do when everyone on the

the planet can see the moral catastrophe you've created. Well, you quickly start painting a picture of the victim that permits conservatives to not feel bad about her death, a fun break between all the hours of your children not speaking to you. Here's Jesse Waters pointing out to Fox News viewers that Renee Nicole Good would have made their thanksgivings feel weird. The woman who lost her life was a self-proclaimed poet from Colorado with pronouns in her bio. A 37-year-old white woman named Renee Good. The Daily Mail says she leaves behind a lesbian partner and a child from a previous marriage.

Yeah, man, she probably wouldn't have liked you either. Also, self-proclaimed poet, as opposed to what? A board-certified poet? And if being divorced and bisexual were a capital offense, all the best real housewives would be up against the wall. Good's ex-husband told a local Minnesota news outlet that Good was a devout Christian who went on mission trips in high school.

school and had just recently relocated to Minneapolis. Worth noting it was in September that a Presbyterian pastor was hit in the head by a non-lethal round during a peaceful protest in Chicago and that across America, many protesters putting themselves in harm's way have done so because they believe their Christian faith demands it, which is obviously stupid. Jesus loves what Trump is doing to immigrants, and he wants people to ask Grock to take Nancy Pelosi's clothes out of that picture of her with JFK. That's what God wants.

Grock, show me Nancy Pelosi in an invisible bikini. There's someone I follow online who is either an expert or no one, and he goes by the happy urbanist, and he writes about urban planning, and he made a point that I think is worth applying here, about the difference between active errors and latent errors, and active errors when a person j walks across a busy road. But the latent errors, when a street is designed so terribly, and a crosswalk is so far out of the way that everybody takes a short.

shortcut. So often, when we're talking about the news, we're talking about the active errors. The shooting is the active error. I watched the footage. My view is it could be any of us, a scared person who tried to drive away from ice. And it's absurd to suggest that she was trying to hurt anybody and not just get away from these mass agents. And then you have an officer who himself had been in an incident where he was dragged by a car last year reacting in a heated moment. Totally possible. The ICE agent thought he was about to be hit by this car and act. It doesn't make it right. Doesn't mean it wasn't against protocol, you can be scared and still in the wrong. No one knows that better than me, a coward with strong opinions. But then there's the latent error that ICE agent should never

have been in front of that car because that's the direction cars go. Don't create a situation that you can't escape without murdering somebody. That's a rule I try to follow in my day-to-day life. And look at me so far, zero murders in all my 32 years. More broadly, that ICE agent is part of a force that is radicalizing before our eyes, that is obviously internalized in us versus them mentality, that is now protected by the anonymity of masks and the knowledge that the administration and its friends in the media will defend anyone on their team no matter the facts, all while being deployed by a president who wants us riled up and at each other's throats. This shooting is the active error. Donald Trump is the latent error. He is creating the underlying

conditions that make events like this possible. People are people. Individuals will make mistakes or worse in the heat of a confrontation. Individuals will give into fear and anger and make assumptions. Situations will escalate. We can analyze this single incident all we want. But meanwhile, Trump is radicalizing our society, lying about cities, being war zones and deploying the military and resents, claiming local leaders who defy him should be arrested. He is creating a culture in which federal agents go door-to-door wearing masks in an American city. He's also creating a culture in which people who get plastic surgery want it to look like they got plastic surgery. But that's less important right now. Of course there is anger. Of course there is protest. Of course ordinary people

are standing up to this. This is America. When asked this week in an interview with the New York Times, if Trump felt that there were any limits on his power, the president replied, yeah, there is one thing, my own morality, my own mind. It's the only thing that can stop me. Look, I agree Trump's brain will ultimately place a limit on his authority, especially if that blood clot in his leg comes up for a is it? But he's not all powerful. And these policies are not popular. We do not live in the world Trump and Vance to scribe, and we can all see that with our own eyes. 2026 is starting rough, but it will end with a midterm election where we finally get to have our say. So let's all keep our resolutions. We'll figure out how many Bulgarian split squats it takes to get a butt like that

Russian and heated rivalry and drink more water and clean out that one drawer filled with nonsense. and most importantly, finally get those moles checked. And then we'll resolve not to be discouraged. These people are bullies. When they say turn down the temperature, they don't plan to modify their behavior at all to stop smearing their enemies or lying or breaking the law. What they mean is for us to shut up and take it,

to be dominated, to accept reality as they describe it. But that's just not going to happen because in 2026, our world and our butt are what we make it. Generous, welcoming, and juicy as hell. All right. We have got a great show tonight. Coming up next, it's comedians, George Savaris, and Andy Kindler,

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No, I'm not saying this. What does this mean? Why does this form a perfect John Lovett? I haven't even seen that. Andy Kindler and George Severus. I don't know what that means. Hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi. Good to see you.

Hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, you know, one thing is, oh, I talked into the can of water. It's not, it's not easy doing comedy when there's tragedies, and I, and this is a true story. I did the night of the first Gulf War. I was at Grandpa's Comedy Club,

in Staten Island, right? And so the guy says, don't talk about the war. Oh, yeah, I'm really going to talk about the war on Staten Island. It's like, you people, we armed Saddam Hussein, put down your slices of pizza.

And I just want to say, I did a drag brunch after Donald Trump was elected, and the performer after me, the finale of the performance to Florence and the Machine, by the way, was that she took off her shirt and now, nasty woman was written in red paint.

So that's a real sort of sign of the Times. That was beautiful. Thank you. Yeah, I was a creative director for the whole thing. Yeah. I also just love just sort of like, man, just the sentence, I was at was it called Grandpa's? Grandpas Comedy Club and Al

the life from the Munsters, Al, Grandpa, Al Lewis, I don't know his name. He was involved in the club. But I just, just there's a whole world of I was on Staten Island at Grandpa's Comedy Club in the 90s at the start of the Gulf It's like, man, Andy, you've been fucking in it. That's right.

I've been a part of it. I was defending Clinton at some point. Yeah, remember what we used to do that? Yes. You actually fought in the Gulf War, is that right? I fought in the Gulf War. And we won. And we won.

George, you have a new comedy special. I do. Thank you. A sensitive version. It's great. I watched it. It's great. It's very funny.

I have this thing. I keep accidentally saying thank you before someone compliments me. And it's like the worst, you feel like the biggest asshole with someone's like, so you have a new special out? And I'm like, thank you. I think it's Kathy Griffin believes you can say congratulations to any person in Los Angeles at any time.

And rather than saying about what, they'll say thank you. Yes. They assume everyone knows how much they're getting done. It is Kathy Griffin. I've been telling that story for years and I thought it was Tina Fey, but now you're absolutely right that it's Kathy Griffin.

And I love it. I think about it all the time because if somebody says congratulations, and it's like, thank you. Yeah. Now, in the special, you talk about how you're medically dumber since the pandemic. And now, do you think that's long COVID, or do you think it's the vaccines?

Yeah, no, that's a good question. I think it's more so it's the vaccines interacting with being gay, I think. Yeah. It's, there's something about, I think, like, skipping the natural kind of steps of aging, when, you know, we're not, like, I haven't had children. I haven't, like, bought a home. Like, you're kind of like, I, you're kind of like, I. I'm kind of goo-go-gaga still.

Yeah, well, you've talked about that as well. So, yeah, there is just maybe we're just getting older, and our brains are calcifying. But I don't remember if this is actually in the special, but I wrote that joke because there was a point when I was, I thought to myself, I'm hungry, what should I have for dinner? And then I realized I was inside a restaurant sitting. And I know that sounds like I'm making it up as like some funny,

but I was like so brain-dead that I was like not able to appreciate that I was currently in a restaurant for dinner. Everyone's while in a restaurant, don't you feel like she should be able to like, listen, I go to restaurants so much. Just I should be able to go in the kitchen. I know. And just grab something. It'll be better for everybody. Yeah, totally.

Andy, do you think you're dumber now that you're older? Oh, no, definitely. Oh, no, I've been on Previgin for... I like when they're... On the Prevaging commercials, what they actually say, I've been on Prevaging for about five. Wouldn't you know exactly when you started Previging, but it's always approximate? I don't think I'm any... I don't think I'm more discouraged.

since the pandemic. I mean, and also this week and just generally, this is the going down like this towards prayer. Society-wise. You're saying, oh, no, no, not career-wise.

Career-wise, boom, boom, boom, baby. Right, mentally even. Even. Just watching the world crumble around you. Yes, that's the experience that you're having. Now, George, you don't think, you've talked about gay couples

sort of having a political failure in that they're having children. Yeah. Yeah, is that good that I said that? Is that progressive? I'm not sure. Well, here's the thing. I've thought about this.

And what I realize is I felt these two paths ahead of me. One was a kind of empty gay existence of a year marked by different vacations and new restaurants and disposable income and shirts, belts. A lot of talks of shirts and belts. Oh, what's happening in duvets? you know, thinking a lot about what's the latest thing. A new bed skirt. New bed skirts, that kind of thing. And I thought, oh, that seems enjoyable, but ultimately empty.

And I'll feel quite... But it's an open concept, though. Yes, it is. It is an open concept. Well, it's kind of debating whether or not open or not open concept is good and switching it every year. And then people finding the balance between the two. And I thought, oh, well, I think that I would look back on that life filled with nothing but kind of regret. But a beautiful renovation.

And a beautiful space. And I thought, oh, I don't want that life. And then I see the kind of the version where you have kids. Yeah. And I think, oh, that's probably really deeply fulfilling but exhausting. And you give up all this sort of freedom of a great part about being a gay couple. Well, yes. But you get the fulfillment of the people.

And you lose your gay friends. And you lose all your gay friends. I thought, well, I don't want that one either. I know. It's kind of, it's incredible how by sort of achieving equal rights, we kind of just put ourselves in a different bind. Yeah. Like, at least before the path was clear, you just go to province.

Right, and just, yeah, that's it. Yeah, it's weird. I find myself, like, as I get older, I find myself, like, unsure what my own political opinions are, and then I'll say something that will surprise me negatively. And the other day, someone was like, do you want kids? And I found myself saying, this is going to not, you guys are not like this, I found myself saying without realizing it,

I was like, I don't know, I think it's kind of creepy when gay guys have kids. And I was like, what? I did not know that was something that was buried in my brain. And then I was like, So, instead of, like, walking it back, because obviously I don't actually believe that, instead of being like, sorry, I was, I'm on mushrooms.

You know, I, like, dug deeper. I felt the need to, like, justify what I was saying. And I was like, well, okay, so let me explain. Like, you know, it's like when my rich gay friends have kids, it feels like they're giving themselves a trophy. And then when my poor gay friends have kids, it's like, you know, what are you Christian? Like, when I was like, what are you trying to say?

And I actually think that person I was talking to, like, hasn't spoken to me since. I like the way you put air quotes. around equal rights. Yes. That was equal rights. You know, it's, I don't know.

Do you believe in equal rights, Andy? Yeah. I mean, if I didn't, that would be bad, right? How do you not believe in equal rights? No, but I believe that, I believe that the new, you know, make, what they're saying about trans people is the same thing they said about gay people. And then you have people like Martina Navarillo, using the same arguments that were used against her to now say about trans people.

I don't know that's not funny, but it's depressing. It really is sort of like, can you guys zoom out and look at the patterns here? It's like not hard. Like you're using family values language. The people that cause most of society's problems are people that cannot see the patterns. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of patterns that people could see. They might make some changes.

Correct. You'd think Martina Novartov, a terrific tennis player, you know, good at noticing patterns, hopefully, on the court. Not in life. Yeah, that's true. All under the guise of the biggest, horrible, most horrible thing would be if a trans person played in a sport, and they were actually, I mean, it's ridiculous. Yeah. By the way, it's sports, okay? It's not like the church.

Since when is our sports so sacred? By the way, I think trans people should also be priests. Isn't there a trans? But this idea that, like, that's the stump card, it's, or stump, Trump card, like, that sports is the thing people care about? Who cares who's playing in sports? Not me.

Am I crazy? And I love sports. Even if I was conservative, even if I was literally transphobic, I'd be like, they can play volleyball. No, it's the most important thing. You're being, you sound crazy right now. You really.

Andy, you give a state of the comedy industry address and then we still have a comedy industry, so you're still doing it? No, because once the pandemic, the pandemic ended everything. And I used to do, when I used to do the address, I would do it in Montreal and all the people from the industry were there.

But now there really isn't an industry anymore. Like nobody's, I can't talk about the new show. show is on ABC, because there are no news shows on ABC. So it's like, there's no market for it right now for the state of the industry. But I was going to say, what was I going to say?

I was going to say something. Tris said you were going to make a joke about trans substantiation. Because about the priest thing. I saw you working on something about that. No, I think I remember now it's going. Like, I'll do, I'll do this joke now but it won't even, people don't, they don't know, they don't know the reference. Okay, so I go, Tim Allen's in a new

sitcom. Well, nobody knows that really anymore. In the old days, they knew home improvement, right? So he's in a new sitcom, and in the first episode, his wife commits suicide while he's watching Fox News. Is that a real thing that happened to the episode? No, no, but you see,

do you people not know that Tim Allen is a maga? This is where I'm losing touch, John. No, I don't think, no, no, I think that was their fault for sure. Okay, I did this joke for years that no longer gets a laugh. Let's hear it. Who died and made Jim Bowman? Belushi a big star.

Whoa. Too soon. You guys. That's good. I see it. Yeah. Solid. That doesn't play anymore. It seems to get a response. I got half and half. Give us another. Give us another. People are more mad about

that than trans priests. Yeah. I'm actually I'm excited about this. What's another joke you think won't work? Well, I used to do things like if you if you're going to show business, take the high road. There's no traffic. And this was the delivery I would have normally. Well, that's good.

That's a classic. That's just a classic. And you have a podcast called Thought Spiral. Yes. And that's, are you spiraling up? Well, it's me and my friend Jay Elvis Weinstein. And we advertise it as... And that sounds Jewish.

It is Jewish. But we are not Netanyahu Jews, okay? And we advertise it as two Jews, two microphones, two hours. We have no guests. And we just talk. And we have no following our audience. Wow, that's, that's brave of you to say. Can you give us one other just dated joke?

Let me see it. I've enjoyed, because Andy, I just want to say, like, I remember when I was first, like, you were somebody that was just part of, like, when I was watching stand up, when I was a kid, to be honest, and like, on, or like, on comedy, you were just, you were just one of the, like, old school, road comics that I love. That's what you were.

And television. And television. No, but I like the... You were there when my comedy was really was about how you succeeded or died. That's right. In the clubs.

And that feels like it's changing. And I like hearing the jokes from that period. See, I'm actually working on jokes now that I believe that nobody can get. And that's my goal. And here's the joke that I have now that nobody can get. I said, Roy Roy, Roy.

was often triggered by his horse. Triggered by his horse. If you're young, you have no idea who Roy Rogers is, right? If you're over 50, you don't know what triggering means. Right, right. Right in that sweet spot. Right in the sweet spot. That's good.

Right. The Venn diagram of people that would understand it would be so small. Do you think that in 20 years some twink is going to be like, you were there at the heyday of live podcasting? Oh, that's hot. Oh my God, that made me want to fucking die. I hope so. Yeah, of course.

That's all we can really hope for. That's the best. What else? If we have a society at all. Why do you have bigger cards than I do? I don't like that at all. Because I think you brought those from home. Yes, I did.

Whereas I'm off book. Speaking of feeling medically dumb, you came up a while ago. I like that sequence. This week has left us all with a lot of questions, specifically about the news, which is why Andy and George and I are going to help answer the question, is this good? I'm going to give you a topic, and then we're going to flip a comically large coin made of wood

to determine who will argue for yes, it is good versus no, it isn't. Okay. Oh, that's a... We flip a coin to the side, which side we're on? That's right. Oh, I like that. That's right. And, of course, it helpfully says yes or no.

Yeah. First up, we have RFK Jr. flips the food pyramid. This week, Health Secretary, RFK Jr. revealed the new updated food pyramid which is now upside down with a greater evidences on meat and whole fat dairy products balancing on a point of whole grains and bread. While most people aren't going to rush out and change their diet base in the new pyramid, it does inform what food is served in public schools and military bases and what gets covered by federal food aid program.

Kennedy also stuck to a 2024 Biden-air rule that encourages Americans to eat more grains and less sodium, sugary drinks, and processed foods. All right. Let's see, George, you're going to be pro or con. This is going to be for you. you're in favor of the new pyramid, Andy, you're going to be against. George, you have 30 seconds to fend this new pyramid. Well, I think this is stunning.

And first of all, I've never really understood how the food pyramid works to begin with. And do you guys remember when they changed it and made one side exercise? Yeah. So they've now, I actually think that the liberals changed it so much that it made no sense. And I think it's time we go back to real American. in eating, which means whole grains, steak, and avocados, which I saw in that food pyramid. I still don't really understand what...

I don't know if the nodes are the good ones or the top or the bottom, but I'm going to be following it to AT. Thank you, Jordan. Boom, he didn't go over his time. I like that a lot. All right, now, you're against this new pyramid. I'm against the new pyramid. I'm not against so much the food pyramid.

I'm against the existence of RFK Jr. All right. This might be the greatest food pyramid ever. And in fact, in some ways, I, uh, Except for the design of it and it looks crazy, I might follow a couple of the things. But I hate RFK Jr. so much that I will never talk to Cheryl Hines again.

And... And was that a problem for you? Are you constantly... No, I turned on Cheryl. I did the state of entry because I would always get in trouble for... Like, I hated Luis E.K. before there was a reason to. Right?

So, I'm always unpopular opinions. And that's why it's wrong. Yeah. Yeah, I want to... Under, are you rebutting it now? No, I'm not. Sorry. I just, I'm forgetting I'm not supposed to speak constantly. No, speak constantly.

Please. Okay, like, what is this? I think it's oatmeal. So it looks like, okay, here's the thing. It looks like it could be like yogurt and fruit, but also these look like kidney beans. And this could be like cottage cheese or like milk. I just like, this is not, this is like a sort of impressionistic drawing to me. Like, what does it mean that olive oil is right?

right here. Does anyone know? I also think it's... It also feels a lot of politics went into what kind of foods are here. Right? Like, first of all, I'm very surprised there's no corn on this thing. Because usually at some point, somebody is like, we gotta get some fucking corn on there. Iowa corn. This is actually a very un-American.

Considering it's so maga, I'm like, this is a pretty, like, baggy fruit beer. Like, I'm like, the salmon is so gorgeous and stunning. The avocado right in the middle. It's like this fresh California avocado. out of this is very like squirrel. Whatever we should, we do, they're saying, whatever you want to do,

there should be no artistic merit to it. Whatever your plans aren't make it ugly and badly drawn. And one of those things is, in the actual official documents, it says how much protein you need per kilogram of body weight. And it's like, hey, you fucking maga freaks.

This is America. Pounds. I cannot believe the one thing. Pounds are great. I like fighting for them. I want us to keep. on the non-metric system. Metric system can eat shit

as far as I'm concerned. I like both system we're on. And that's one thing I think we should fight for. It's nice that we're all kind of critiquing this from the right. All right. Next up, we have Marco Rubio as the ultimate Florida man. On Tuesday of this week, CBS News anchor Tony DeCopal,

housed in a segment praising the many lives and many jobs of Marco Rubio, airing a meme of Rubio suited up for a variety of gigs, including the Shah of Iran to the Michelin Man. Let's roll the clip. And now AI memes have added to that portfolio, casting Secretary Rubio as the new governor of Minnesota, the new Shah of Iran, the prime minister of Greenland, the new manager of Manchester United, the head of Hilton hotels, and highest of high honors of all, the new Michelin man. The segment concluded with this actual line. Marco Rubio, we salute you. You're the ultimate Florida man.

Is this good? Let's see if Andy's going to have to defend that. He's not. George, you think this is good. Oh, I'm going first? Yeah, just what happened. Here's the thing. The pro is always first. You know, okay, I actually think they're, they think they're doing something

with this handsome guy with the hair. And I think the fact that he's flopping so hard is good. Like, I think this is kind of like putting into plain sight how stupid the new CBS News, Barry Weiss situation is because everyone is making fun of it.

Like, this is a stupid segment. So I think it's good. I think it would be much worse if the person in charge of doing this was like super competent. and, like, very good at his job. I think it's good that we're all kind of, like, self-evidently laughing at it. That's interesting.

Thank you. He twisted it. He went the other way with it, is what you did. I think I'm saying it's good. I think he said it was good. He had to flip the pyramid. He flipped the script. That's right.

Forget this crowd. I've had it with this crowd. Now, what am I arguing is not good? Marco Rubio? Or the news? That CBS is doing this to the CBS evening news. Oh, well, there's, you know, I've been against this Barry.

Weiss way back when she was defending Sam Harris and atheism. And the thing is, I don't think any of it's good. And I don't think it's also, it's an emergency. We need to yell out the window or something about it. This is the worst, it's not good argument that's been on the show, I think. Hey, you're doing great. Oh, that's right. Terrific.

So, yeah, there is something perverse about a bunch of people, who collectively never watched CBS Evening News tuning in to be like, this is terrible and really bad for the country. It'd be like, you didn't know CBS, you could not tell me who was hosting it. Everybody right now shout, who was the host of the CBS Evening News

before Tony DeCopal? Nobody fucking knows. You don't know. I don't know. Jenna Bush Hager. It's just, it's sort of more to me about how like, this is like a dying thing. Yeah, completely.

And this is like a sad maybe end to a dying thing, but overblown and its importance because the issue is not how liberal a conservative is CBS News is collectively how are we getting our information and the answer is from nowhere. Yeah, completely. What are they going? Is it straight up comedy? Is it like... No, I think they're basically

sort of coming for the Fox News demographic, from what I understand. Which, to be honest, from a purely capitalistic perspective, I'm shocked it hasn't happened so far because basically what happens with evening news is Fox News has all the conservatives and then all the other networks have to share,

or the like center and center left. So I'm sort of shocked so far. No other network stepped in. I mean, I understand that there's like, what's the cable Trump one? OAN or newsman. Yeah, I understand there's those. But like of the big ones, don't you think some money grabbing like crazy person would have like stepped in at ABC News and been like, let's try right wing? I just fundamentally for sure.

I mean, the problem I have with all this is that like, okay, Barry Weiss is running CBS News. I don't, like, how conservative is CBS going to get? Are they going to run the stories? They said they were going to run on 16 minutes. Like, there's a lot of kerfuffle about the stories getting pulled, like the Epstein story and this other story. And it's like, are they going to run them? Are they changing them? Is it really a, are they really Trump plans?

Like, the nightly 30 minute evening news broadcast is a stupid way to get information. It's a stupid, like, who is this for? We all get the news all day on our phones. it used to be was competing against nothing now it's competing against everything like are there any people genuinely being like

I wonder what happened today Yeah it's a very like late 20th century critique of being like Walter Cronkite was censored It's like right but There are 5 billion other people that are telling you like everything you need to know All right last one We're going to do Nicholas Maduro's Nike sweatsuit

Going Viral Maduro went viral this week Not just for his arrest and extradition to the United States but for the great Nike Tech sweatsuit he wore during transportation in a photo shared by Trump on social media. The photo apparently caused a spike in Google user searching for Nike Tech and inspired the menswear conversations across the internet

and we're also right here on the love and relieve it stage. Is this look good? George, you say yes. I think that it is good and, you know, the whole thing with gray sweatpants, of course, is that you want to see bulge. And I think it's good that, I don't know if you noticed, you see no bulge there. And I think that is probably healthy, long-term

that we did not see Maduro's bulge. We didn't go through a Maduro-Bulge. We did not because there could have, you know, because we're in the same corners of the internet, that if there was bulge, we wouldn't hear the end of it. Yeah, I would have very, I would know about it right now. You would know about it. And so I think it's pretty much very good.

I would have heard about it in high school, bulge. National... Oh, stop. I had another joke I wasn't going to do. National action. Network is a... I was head of the National Action Network in college. I just think you didn't commit to it, Andy.

Yeah, well, I think I've been defeated. That's what... No. First of all, first of all... And now you think that the... that Maduro being transported in the Nike track suit is bad. You think it's bad. It's bad. Because, I mean, I don't care about the fact that they're trying to decapitate the head of a government. I don't care about that. But if you're going... I don't care about

you know, rounding up everybody in America, including me and something. But you have to give someone a decent amount of time to get ready. You know what I'm saying? You go in there, you go, okay, we're taking you. But you get to have a five-minute thing where you can pick a Kristi-nomah cowboy hat

or whatever you want to go in. Yeah, like, I guess what I don't understand is... They should have put him in the Joanne pink cowboy hat to transport him. Yeah. I will say, having worn this kind of Nike pant where there's this seam that's above the knee, it sucks.

It's not where you're hinging. It's a bad spot for a seam. It's uncomfortable. And also, who's using the arm pockets? Like, what does it mean? When they put tech next to a sweatshirt, what is it meant to tech, what tech? What?

Like, what are we doing with these vertical pockets? His pants are unhinged. Isn't that what you're saying? Yes. That's what you hate about Maduro. I'll tell you, I haven't seen an unhinged something since the Ayatollahs. Now you're getting into the rhythm.

Wow. George, you have a stand-up special called The Sense of Urgency, and it's on-demand now. Correct. And I really recommend it's very good. Thank you. Very funny.

And your podcast, Radio Lab. I've been a guest. You've been a guest twice? Twice. Yeah, yeah. Wow, I've been the two-time club on Stradio Lab. What's the name of your podcast?

Stradio Lab. It's a pun on Radio Lab. Oh, I love that because I also despise Radio Lab. Well, it's, of course, one of the worst things that has ever happened. It's one of the worst things ever just by sound. And Andy's, give us one joke about Bob Dole. Bob Dole? What is he a,

Pineapple? Come on. Oh, Bob Dole. I've got two words that will make Bob Dole angry. Elizabeth Dole. I don't know what it means, but... It's really good. Really good. Andy's podcast Thought Spiral. You could be one of the first listeners.

Right. Get it on the ground floor. And his album, hence the humor. This I'm very excited about it. It's a download. Please download it. You got to download it. It's a download. It's a download. It's a download. It's audio. There's no visual. There's no visual. It's an audio download.

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Hello. Hi. Hi. Welcome. Thanks for being here. Hi. How you doing? I'm good.

How are you? Now, in addition, oh, this is, in addition, I've lost the intro card for you. Hello. Nice to meet you. How do you do? You both have big followings online. I'm very excited about it. You too could be one of Andy's first podcast listeners.

Oh, my God. What an honor. It's a race after to get in there. You get a little prize if you're first. That's so exciting. It must be. It'll be weird to record it knowing other people might hear it. Well, we still call them test shows.

This is absolutely true. We've been around since 2000, and they're all test shows. But when we go live, when we go... I'm taking my career public next year. Now, Jamil, your podcast, wrong turns, is all about sharing humiliating stories. with no silver linings. Yes.

No silver linings. None. No, I'm done with inspiration. Right? Do you know what I mean? I think we just need to leave it in 2025. I'm anti-inspiration. I'm pro-commiseration.

I think that I'm not someone who can make lemonade out of lemons. I can't make anything. I just make a bigger mess. And I've decided to start a community called wrong turns for other people who also fucking suck at life. And so we tell our most embarrassing stories and the public get to feel very smug after listening to it because they are not as stupid as us. I like that. I also, I do think sometimes in our culture you're not supposed to tell a story about yourself until you've successfully gotten to the correct psychological space about it. Yes. You're not allowed to talk about some

aspect of your personality if you're still in the middle of what a therapist would tell you you need to work on. Yeah, I don't really do that. I don't. I don't really do that. I, I don't. I like to roar dog. Just get it out right in the middle. Wait, so what's a recent example of a wrong turn with no positive part to it? Not super recent, but during sex, he put it in the wrong hole,

and I immediately said, unexpected item in bagging area. And then that ruined the sex, and then the sex stopped happening. Wow. This is a good joke. That can't. I think it...

I think it would have turned you on from the sound of... Is there really a wrong... Is there really a wrong hole? I'm sorry, you think you ruined the sex by making an iconic joke? I think the person that put it in the wrong hole... Not to be... You know... Don't judge the holes.

...rown judge the holes. But yeah, no, there are many things. Thank you, Andy. Thank you. Generally, I mean, generally I find my life is quite embarrassing. What about yours? Oh, yeah, I just sort of power through. Being in any kind of public facing,

anything where your job is making something for others to consume, there's no dignity left in the arch. You have to just power through. We're all marketing executives for our own surrender. You know what I see? Also, I find where that came from. It's very deep. I find many comedians are sort of like almost mining

for humiliation and trauma so that they have something that they can talk about on stage. So it's a very handy format for that. Yeah. Yeah, it's really just an extreme version of a humiliation fetish, one could say. 100%. Yeah, but Andy goes the other way with it. I go the other way that I am humiliating, and I don't deserve anything,

because I'm less than. Are you British? No, I'm not British. You sounded really British just then. That is the vibe, yeah. Explain Ricky Jervase to me. Thank you. I can't.

I can't, unfortunately. Goes over my head. Ah, the office is so good, though. Yes, well, he's so cerebral. The office was good. The office was good. But it's also because Stephen Merchant is a genius. Steve Merchant?

A genius. Yeah, national treasure. Sort of like how Larry David was the genius and not Jerry Seinfeld. Okay, stop it. Get out of here with that. I mean, that is wrong. I mean, am I right?

100% right, absolutely. I don't agree with that. Well, I don't like curb your enthusiasm. Oh, my God. Andy, come on. How can you not like that? Seinfeld was the best. Does it fit a little close to home? No, it's just...

What is it? No, everybody ends up. It always goes crazy on his shows. I like it. Does it always have to be that there's a twist and a thing goes around? I like the initial yelling. Like with Richard Lewis, that kind of thing. Sure, sure, sure.

Hey, okay. He also brought us Cheryl Hines, Larry Day. Wow, way to bring up. He introduced Cheryl Hines and made her more famous. In that sense, if it wasn't for curb, Donald Trump would not be president. That's what I'm trying. I guess I'd never thought about it that way. I almost got killed because of Donald Trump, not long ago.

What do you mean? Well, I was speaking at the UN. Wow. Me too, I'm doing the late show. They still have that? Yeah. But now it's just a speaker series. Yeah.

It's a podcast. It's a podcast. It's a podcast. It's a UN or UNX? Okay, I got it, I got it. So I was speaking at the UN and I was late and I was writing my speech on my phone while walking and I wasn't paying attention to my surroundings. And then I hear this like, and I have this kind of long final destination issue with bees

where they're just out to get me and they're trying to kill me. These ones weren't, but I'm an egomaniac who thinks that they were. So the bees were using the zebra crossing, which I find insane. that they would wait until we all walked, and then they came along across the road with us. I'm terrified of bees because of fucking my girl. And not fucking my girl. From the film, my girl.

Well, over my head. The kids watch that, right? Yeah, for sure. The kids who are now 43. So I freak out, and I start screaming and flailing my arms and running towards the UN, where Donald Trump is speaking in the UN, which I don't know.

So all the machine guns go up because there's a big Pakistani dressed in black running at the UN where the president of the United States is and I almost got gunned down. My friend clocked it before I did and tackled me to the ground. I was like, she's safe, she's just crazy.

And I survived narrowly. And, well, that's good. So the bees... So the bees... So... You were chased by the bees? I wasn't really chased. I felt chased.

I was just accompanied. This is just a story of you running at the UN. Yes. Towards the UN. Yeah, because I thought I was being chased by bees that really had no interest in me. Because earlier you were the T.E. At the end.

Yes, exactly. Am I crazy? Correct me if I'm wrong. Am I might be completely off base. Did you once write something about a bee-related accident? Oh, I can't stop talking about it. Okay, okay, okay. I'm glad it wasn't someone else.

All I do. is talk about different times. I felt persecuted. It's my entire identity. There's nothing else to me than my relationship with bees. It's going to be how I die. It's going to be how I die.

Uh-oh. And they'll make a movie about it. Oh my God, that's why you hate Jerry Steinfeld because he made B movie. What a cunt. She means that in a British way, right? So you also recently had sort of a

Can we just roll the clip? I just want to understand what happened in this incident. Oh, Christ. Let's roll the clip. I'm getting ready for bed. And in the morning, I'm going to be interviewed by Martha Stewart on stage in New York in front of so many people. And I forgot that tonight I let my friend write balls deep across my neck. Bulls deep.

And I'm wearing a dress for Martha Stewart. That is definitely not going to cover that. Basically, my. my skin is drier than Gandhi's anus and the tattoo took far too well to my throat and no amount of wipes or alcohol. I was at one point pouring straight mini bar alcohol like onto my neck and nothing would come off. And so eventually I had to claw it off. So I lost several layers of skin. And then it just looked like I'd been choked in front of Martha Stewart on stage. So, okay, but so why, if you hadn't had Martha Stewart?

Yes. I let it happen. I was lost in the moment on my friend's podcast. I was like, yeah. Oh, it was on a podcast. He was like, can I write balls deep across your throat? And I was like, sure, that would be fantastic. And then got home and just as I was brushing my teeth realized, oh, holy,

fuck. I have to see Martha Stewart the next day. I hate when that happens. Yeah. It's a nightmare. And she instead just thought I'd done a lot of choke fucking the night before or asphy wank, you know. And I think I think she wasn't a fan, you know.

I think if anyone would love the idea of an asphy wank, it would be Martha Stewart. Don't you think she's kind of freaky? I should have left balls deep on. Do you mean like basketballs on the floor? What does it mean balls deep? Like a lot of basketball? Balls deep. No, I think you should.

No, I really want you to do it. I really want you to do it. I think it would be so much more powerful coming from you. I think it's, I could be wrong actually, because I'm quite innocent. I imagine it's when you're so, when your penis is so deep inside of a woman or a man that your, your bulls are almost shoved in there with it. And thank you for being inclusive. There's nothing else that could get in. Of course, I am an ally.

I know, I could tell. My nickname was Ball Shallow in high school. Just the tip. Just the tip. Just the tip Andy they called him. Ball's Shallow. Terrible nickname. So embarrassing.

Wait, you have a new Netflix movie. I have a new Netflix movie. It's called People We Meet on Vacation. I mean, I'm really very blinking. You Miss it, but I am in it, technically. And I have a podcast called Wrong Turns. Now, I've gathered you all at your night, for a very special segment we're calling,

Hey, have you heard about this? It's a segment built entirely around watching Andy Kindler's violent reaction to things he most likely hates. George Jamila and I will present topics. We're pretty sure Andy doesn't know about. Andy, you're going to give us your honest guy reaction. Okay.

Here we go. First up, Jamila, you wanted to talk about trad wives. Fucking trad wives. Have you heard about trad wives? I am all over it. Yeah. I have no idea what it is. Okay, fine.

So a trad wife is, in this day and age, is a woman who, who's got a social media following who tells other women not to work and to stay at home and just do housework while she herself makes money and gets brand deals and secures her own financial independence.

So women kind of perpetuating the propaganda, the kind of like post-war propaganda of like having their hairstyle and a 50s style and cooking everything from scratch. What's wrong with that, right guys?

100%. But these women are making money. They have camera teams. They have hair. They have makeup. So they're making banks securing their independence while telling other women not to work. And they can go fuck themselves, I think. But also, wouldn't it be fun if you pivoted to doing that? I want to sell weight loss stuff. Oh, that would be amazing. Just to trigger the internet. Yeah. Just to really just never, just keep everyone on their toes. You should go month. Tad Wife. Yeah, wait lost trad wife. Yeah. Oh my God. I want to be a weight lost Trouto life so bad.

Next up, George, you're going to tell us about Fujashi's. Do you know about this? No, what is that? Okay. Fujoshi is something that has been trending because of the show heated rivalry. So basically it's this Japanese term for women that like watching media where men have sex.

Do you know what I mean? So it's like women who are either entertained or even more so turned on by two men in romantic and sexual situations. And so the show heated rivalry, which is two gay hockey players written by a woman. Andy Cohen.

Andy Cohen. Well, and he's a friend, of course. The only gay information that Andy Kindler has is from Andy Cohen. Well, you should have him on your podcast. Then you'll get some listeners. So there, Heated Ravelry. There was another show called Red, White, and Royal Blue, which is about, it's a fantasy about, like, if the prince were gay and bucking an American politician's son, and that was also written by a woman.

So there's this epidemic, the real epidemic, actually, which is women writing gay male stories. Female wholeness epidemic. Yes, exactly. And so that's what that is. What do you think? I'm so confused. I'm all over it.

I say yes. Give me four of them. I think that you should turn your podcast into a heated rivalry we watch show. I think people would honestly genuinely enjoy you watching that show and describing your experience of it. I think that would not be good, John. And you hadn't heard about that.

You don't know about Fujashi? No, I do not. And I don't know if I need to have heard about it, but I know, I'm glad that I did. And that you had that picture of me with somebody else's arms around my head. Where does the word Fujashi come from? It's Japanese. Oh, it reminds me a little bit of one of my favorite words, which is, I think, Kushiyas Abishi.

And what does that mean? It's when you eat, not because you're hungry, but because your mouth is lonely. Wow. That's why I take Manjaro. That stops that. I like to be hangary. I'm, you know, hangary? Yes.

I punch myself in the mouth with a sandwich. Oh, wow. That's from my act, John, right from my act, to this show. This could be huge for your weight loss era, is if you, like, take that term and you're like, I can cure it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. Jamila, you wanted to talk about Skinny Talk.

Yeah, so TikTok has this side of it called Skinny Talk. talk and there's a slogan that's gone viral that is stay skinny stay safe and i object to this not only because it's fucking stupid but also because it's illogical given that i was almost kidnapped when i was 19 someone put date rape drug in my drink while another guy came around on the other side and was distracting me and a few minutes later i must have passed out but because i'm sober everyone knew immediately there was something really wrong so i was taken to the hospital by my friends and then later the police come to the hospital and they take me back to the bar to watch the CCTV and I have to stand there with the police and watch two men try everything they could

to lift me and they couldn't like they were putting their knees into it. It was like and because I was 19 I felt embarrassed about this which is objectively insane because thank Christ they couldn't lift me. I was like what did I want to be like I just want to be dainty enough to be trafficked. But I survived and was fine because stay sturdy. Stay safe. All right? I was living in a bigger body and I'm alive to tell that tale.

So that's just fucking bullshit and it annoys me. There's nothing safe about being skinny. You can be lifted into a van at any point. That's such an important point. Thank you. It got quite dark but I think in the end We all agree. What is their argument for skinny being safe?

I don't know. I think like her brain might be dying because she's so hungry. Well, maybe she has a skinny brain. Yeah, that's it. The good place was so good. Oh, thank you. That's such a great segue. Remember the good place?

Thank you. What was that? A show you were on? Yes. How come I, Who was in that show? Ted Danson. Oh, yes.

I liked it. He's at the place where he's working on the place. He's in the thing where he went to work or something, right? Like that? That's most of his shows. Do you not have a problem with Ted Danson? I think you should. No, isn't Ted Denson he goes and works, or am I mixing him up with somebody else?

He goes and works? He goes in works as an old man somewhere. That's man on the inside. That's a new show, man on the inside. The good place is not the show before that, yeah. What's TikTok? MySpace with an attitude? Andy, you probably remember Cheers.

Yes, I do. Because I didn't get the part. Wouldn't that be a bad joke? Would you go out for? Do you go over Coach? I went out for Coach and they were saying. See, that was an joke too old for them. That was an insulting joke because Coach was the old man on the show. To say, did you go out for the old man on Coach?

Was an insult to you. And I took it as an insult. But let me tell you something. We're all on mushrooms, by the way. Once I was on... That makes me feel much better. Once I was doing a TV show, I'm not going to mention it. Everybody loves Jamie.

And they said to me, I was talking about very loudly by the buffet table, Nobody likes wings, right? No one's ever seen wings. It's one of those shows. And the guy who was directing that week came up to me, he said, I want to have to stop you. I created that show. And I said, let me finish.

Who doesn't love wings? They're at the airport. Where are the show wings? I do not know what's the news. He should have apologized to me. I'm sorry I created that horrible show. I once met Catherine. Ohara and I wanted to tell her how much I loved her and how much my boyfriend loved her.

And I was like, oh, my boyfriend just is so in love with you. He hopes that I look like you when I get old. Oh, great. I can't see how that would go wrong. The worst feeling on earth. And she was so nice about it. She was like, oh. And I was like, no, no older.

There's no way to make it better. You can't claw your way back from that. What a fucking idiot I am. Well, it's fundamentally a compliment because the age is not is objective. I agree, but I don't think anyone wants to hear it framed

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it really does genuinely do a lot to help support Crooked, help us build out a progressive counterweight to right-wing news and misinformation. So thank you. It's been a week since the new year began, which is why we're going to close out the show by sharing one new pet peeve we've accumulated since January 1st in a segment we're calling New Year New Ew. Let's spin the wheel. This seems like it's rigged.

It has landed on Andy. Well, the wheel doesn't really make sense because we're all going to go. So what is... It created the illusion of excitement. Yeah, that's right. The illusion, which, by the way, the illusion of excitement, that's called excitement. If you think about it, what is your new pet peeve of the year? Well, my new pet peeve of the year is to get rid of slang.

I mean, for years, anybody who said my bed, I would have a stomach ache and leave the room. But now, I think we have to put to bed these things where people have gone, it's been a minute, or it's a lot. You know? It's like nobody who, no Holocaust survivor, if you asked him, what was it like? It was a lot. When were you in the Holocaust? It's been a minute.

I don't remember. I think I didn't prepare for the section, but I saved it at the end. I enjoyed it, and I feel you. I do think the Holocaust was a lot. I just like, I mean, it's one of history's great a lot. That's true. I don't remember.

I mean it's what show it means. It's been a minute. It's been a minute. It's been a myth. There's not a lot of people left. You can remember what it's like because it has been, in fact, a minute. All right, let's spin it again. You can't come on me again. I'll be very upset. Jamila, it's landed on you. What is your first pet peeve of 2026? People, I'm done with them. Let's get rid of them.

Agreed. Bring the big quake. Bring the floods. The volcanoes. Every time I, when I heard about that spaceship that was 12 miles wide and it was coming to Earth, I was like, yes. Take us. Take us all. We suck. So yeah, I'm in a good place. Happy New Year, everyone. So it's not just, so interesting.

Because you could just move into the woods. What do you mean? Well, if you're done with people, you don't need to kill us all. You could just leave. I wouldn't kill you all. I don't want to have to, you know, I'm tired. I don't want to have to do that.

I'm just saying, rather than the earthquake, I just want Jesus to take the wheel and that's just reboot. Well, it sounds like you don't just want to not be around people. You don't want the people to continue being around when you're not there. So it's both a hatred of the people

but then a fomo that overpowers it. It's existential. I'm just like, it's a rap. You know what I mean? It's a wrap. I'm just, I'm done with us and I think we need to go and I think we need to start again.

Are you with me? I'm with you. I think we can just tweak at the margins. All right, let's spit it again. Okay, Camo Herres over here. Yeah. Uh-oh, watch out. Okay.

It's landed on George. Mine is a little less dramatic than Jamila. Mine is that I don't like Nespresso. Yes. Okay, here's my... I don't... This is a fully formed argument,

but I'm like, coffee should either be amazing or it should be like shitty diner coffee. I don't like things that are almost good. Nespresso, it's like the promise of Nespressos

that it's gonna be like real espresso and it's... Gonna feel like George Clooney. Yeah, and it's not. It's really... It's more like

sort of a Glenn Powell situation. It's sort of like 80% of the way there. I actually love Laumelle. But it's like 80% of the way to real espresso. Just have shitty coffee.

Just like get like pre-ground beans from CVS and do that. I think Dunkin' Donuts is the greatest coffee in the world. There you go. It's sort of the scary movie too of coffee. Yeah. And that it's amazing but also bad.

How do they make an espresso? Can you explain to me what the... Well, it starts with slavery. And then it works. way up to a plastic pod that puts microplastics in your systems. It's sort of like, it's the intersection of... Bring the floods!

It starts with the reason Jamila has that accent, which is a group of people draw lines in random parts of the world to divide them into different sections and then have those different sections make different kinds of food including the coffee beans. Yeah, it's the intersection of colonialism and microplastics and that's kind of where I live.

Let's spin it again. We're almost done. Oh, it's live on me. I'll tell you something that bothers me. So I booked a last-minute trip over the break to go to Mexico for three days because it was paid for two nights to get a third night for. I love a deal and I love using points. And it was one of, you know, there's, there are resorts that this is one of those resorts where something happens or something where some resorts have a culture of we fight for chairs and some of them have a culture of we respect the chairs. This was a fight for chairs resort.

And I like a fight for chairs resort. What were you have to like get up at four o'clock in the morning and they reserve them and there's always arguments about the chairs and rules about the chairs and I just love watching that unfold. I like getting there, get a spot and just let it all play out. There was just so many rude and angry people. It was literal Christmas and people are yelling at people that are just working on Christmas about where their chair went and where their bag went. I love it.

I'm in. Fully fantastic. I am never more like horrified by what we've done to ourselves than when I see. people at a resort, out a beach chair on their phones. I find it to me to be like the greatest defeat like of a, like you flew here from far away. I feel exactly the same way. You're on the beach or at a beautiful place. You're on your phone, the same phone. The phone never changes. The phone is identical everywhere you are. What is on there right now? And how is it that like, how is it that you have? Yes. But how is it that you have not?

figured out to leave this in your room for this one precious moment. Just leave this thing in your room for this one precious moment. You can't leave it in your room because how are you going to take those terrible photos that you'll never look at again? Of your feet? Yeah. And the sea? Yeah.

And the sun. Of a shell. You know what I mean? It's very important to be able to document those things. But I agree. When I see people looking at their phones in front of the ocean, I'm like, come on tsunami. Come on tsunami. Let's fucking go.

love it. You know how to do this. You know, this is what you trained for, tsunami. Yeah. But it makes me crazy. It's like, it's not just that obvious... I'm more mentally ill than you thought I was, aren't I? You're meeting expectations for me.

Oh, great. Thank you. It's not just that obviously it's bad to be on the phone. It's that as part of this trip that required so much planning, there was no part of you that thought about the part where it would be nice to not be on the phone, which means like, are there a lot of people out there who are not only addicted to their phones, but seemingly unbothered by it? That's what makes me nervous.

Yeah. I mean, I am quite addicted to my phone, but never in front of the sea. I'm very sacred about nature. All right, that's where we're going to leave it. Oh. I didn't get to do my sea material. Anything about George Songus? George Songist, I'd like to hear less of his songis. And that's our show.

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