Lovett or Leave It - High on Taxpayer Supply

Episode Date: September 30, 2017

The Graham-Cassidy health care bill fails. Gary Cohn goes Lucille Bluth on tax cuts. Tom Price loves a captain’s chair at 30,000 feet. And Paul Ryan says he’s very happy with Trump. Marc Maron, Tony Goldwyn, Heben Nigatu, and Craig Mazin join Jon to break down the week's news and more.

What is up? Guys, a little housekeeping. Love It or Leave It is going on tour with Pod Tours America. There are some tickets left for October 5th in Madison. October 7th will be part of the Los Angeles Podcast Festival. November 3rd, we're going to be at the Anthem in D.C. Those tickets, if you're hearing this now, those tickets are now on sale. And there are some tickets left for the second show at the Beacon in New York on Saturday, November 11th.

End of housekeeping. Guys, I'm very excited about our first guest. We have a fantastic panel for you. But before that, I'm going to sit down with somebody that I'm so excited to talk to. He has a Netflix special called Too Real. He stars in Glow, has a book called Waiting for the Punch, out on October 10th.

He is the host of one of my favorite podcasts, one of the great podcasts, podcast legend, let's face it, WTF with Marc Maron. Please welcome Marc Maron. How's it going? It's pretty good. You're trying to lose weight?

Always, always. How's it going? It's going pretty well. I am in a contest. It's not a contest. It's more like the Paris Climate Accords with a friend of mine. Yeah. And there's no actual enforcement mechanism but there's transparency.

Isn't there a fucking scale? There is a scale but I'm not going for weight loss. I'm not going... I want to convert things into other things. I'm not trying to get rid of things. You know what I mean? You're an alchemist of some kind? Yeah, I'm trying to turn this...

I'm trying to squeeze this coal into a fucking diamond and it's fucking tough because I keep going to Norm's in the morning. I will give you an example of how dark this can get. The other day, I was minding my own business on the street, on the streets of Los Angeles. And I was not hungry. And I walked by Magnolia Bakery.

I can avoid Magnolia Bakery 99 times out of 100. But if it gets me that one time, I'm fucked. So anyway, I turn into the Magnolia Bakery. I mean, this is premeditated. This is rational, terrible decision making. It's addiction. It's addiction. Call it what it is. I want to tell you what I did. I'm a sick person. Let me tell you what I did. I walked in to the Magnolia Bakery, and I said, one slice of sheet cake, please. And I bought a slice of cake. I didn't even know.

Like, that is nuts. That's like, okay, okay. You want to indulge, you buy a cupcake. Let me tell you how the addiction plus the Judaism connected in this moment. I'm familiar with it. The cupcakes are $3.75, but the slice of cake is $4.50. And I'm telling you, you're getting a lot more cake for your money at $4.50. And do you know how embarrassing it is to be in a bakery, and the sun is out and you're alone?

And they say, do you want this to go? And you say, no, please put it on a plate. Yeah, they believe me, you're not the only one that does that. They couldn't even look at me at the register. Now if you go do it again or two or three times a week, become a regular with that shit. What's the usual?

Just show up there twice a week. You walk in and they're like, get him the cake. Get him the cake. Hey Francis. Hey Julia. Hey Tom. Hey John. So what do you want to talk about, man? So politics. So you recently had

Pete Davidson on WTF, on What the Fuck. Yeah. And it was a fascinating conversation. But there was one little moment that stuck with me, which is you talked about the fact that Trump represents a kind of brand of New York racist, kind of Queens, Brooklyn guy. Yeah. And I've often found that— Staten Island. Staten Island.

That's where Pete was from, yeah. That's where Pete is from, a kind of guy. And I've often found that... Staten Island. That's where Pete was from. That's where Pete is from. A kind of guy. And I was hoping you could talk more about that guy. Because I feel like there are people from New York that feel like they have a kind of access to Trump that people outside of New York that haven't spent a lot of time there don't have.

Well, for years he was just this annoying asshole that would show up at play. No one liked him really in New York. He was like a clown that everybody sort of knew was there. Yeah. And they'd be like, oh, there's this asshole again. That was who he was. Just on the circuit. Yeah.

Out in the street, you know, wherever he'd show up, he was very present in New York culture. But I don't get the feeling that he had a lot of fans. Yeah, he was an annoying presence. But I think the people that you're talking about, I don't, like, I know that he's a very specific type of Queens racist. But there's a lot of very aggressive personalities in New York that I don't know if they're racist, but there's an anger there that's always there. There are those guys that are in sort of constant conversation with the world around them as they move through it. Like, they're just walking and talking to things. Oh, here she here she comes with the car oh look at this guy with his bag of

food you know like oh look at this one what's he doing with the hat here look at the hat on this guy this fucking guy selling hot dogs look at this fucking guy yeah yeah here comes this fucking guy yeah that's a fucking guy now i don't know if they're racist they're they're aggravated but they're managing it by having a constant engagement with the world around them that they're irritated with on some level. It's a colloquy.

I know what you're saying, but for years when I lived there, and I haven't lived there in a long time, you have these type of people, but I didn't know them. There is a sort of... There's an intensity to New York City that the old timers live with, and they kind of move through the world with this kind of defensive, but yet hostily charming persona.

But I didn't register most of them as being racist necessarily. I mean, clearly, I imagine if you asked Trump, he would say he wasn't a racist if you really pressed him on it. Well, no one would ever. I mean, very few people would admit to the fact that they're racist, though. No, no. Some of them will. I've seen them on Twitter. There's plenty of people that will shamelessly admit to things they wouldn't have admitted to before this idiot got into office. Well, that's true. Yeah, and they're proud of it. And it's bizarre to me. I really can't, I don't,

I really need the news to stop using the word unprecedented and just say shitty. You know, at what point do they go like, oh, this is unprecedented. No, it's shitty. He did a douchebaggy thing. Change doubling down

to he's a douchebag again. Yeah, that's right. That's right. It's sort of like unprecedented since the last unprecedented. It's actually not unprecedented. It's sort of like unprecedented since the last unprecedented. It's actually not unprecedented. It's just a different brand of shit from two weeks ago.

He's always shitty. This isn't the worst thing Trump has done. It's just a new worst thing, and you forgot about the thing from two weeks ago. But I think it's hard to really sort of, like, you can compare him to other New Yorkers, and, you know, I don't really know the guy. I was on Conan O'Brien with him once years ago. And I know, I knew he was frightening then. That I knew. Like I. Why?

I don't know why. But like I watched his segment recently. He was on before me. I didn't go talk to him. It was back when it was at NBC. It must have been like in the early 90s, mid 90s. And I didn't go meet him before the show. But he got out there.

And for some reason in the middle of his segment he just pulled a condom out of his pocket and started playing with it you know and it was in the package but he wanted to he thought he you know and Conan's like what's that he's like well you know I always carry what it was like a yeah right oh and then kind of fucking you know think about how uncool and ridiculous you are to be like, you know what's cool? Having a condom. So I got out there after he got off. Creep. And my first joke was, the first thing I said was,

it's weird with Trump and the condom, because I think most prostitutes carry their own with them now. But right after that, I said, you're going to find me in the East River tomorrow. Like, I knew that he exuded a connected vibe that was, you know, scary. He was scary. Like, I didn't say that real. I was making a joke, but I said it. So it was, you know, I felt that.

Did you have any contact with him after the joke? No, I was nervous about it. I really was nervous. I've said a lot of things, like I'm glad I said them, but for days after, I'm like, I'm so fucked for saying that. But I've said it, I got over it.

But no, I never met him, but a lot of comics have met him, and it was difficult for a lot of them. I don't know if you've talked to Jeff Ross. Well, we talked to Jeff Ross on this stage about it, about the roast and meeting him and what he's like. But if you keep pressing Jeff, he'll literally get to the point where he'll be like, I'm concerned that he's not eating well. There's still some part of Trump that has endeared himself to a lot of people.

Well, I grew up in New York, and it is hard for people outside of New York to understand what kind of presence he was. He wasn't, he was just background noise, but he was always there. This funny, silly, ridiculous, larger than life New York figure. Right. You know, mostly innocuous. Of course, treated innocuous. In hindsight, it's like, wait a second, he tried to kill five innocent kids because they were black. So that's, that was pretty fucking hein fucking heinous yeah but it was the 80s

but I think that that that is part of it because comics that spent a lot of time in New York early in their career spent a lot of time seeing Trump on the local news he's a fixture of the local news he was here he was there the divorce is the divorce playing out on page six and I cover the tabloids It was just part of the story. He loved the attention Yeah, it's it's I can't like it's hard for me to talk about in a comedic way because every day I have to figure out How to detach enough to have a life that isn't consumed with anxiety and terror. How's it going? It's difficult man well in terror. How's it going? It's difficult, man. Because you get to this point where

it's sort of, if you're not careful and you're sensitive and you're properly minded, where things tend to get despairing. Like, you know, you watch TV or you just enjoy mundane things and you're like, this isn't even fucking working anymore. You know,

what's the point of this? Shouldn't I be doing something else why am I enjoying something and and I don't know what to do with that energy because there is there's only so much you can do and then you realize like like you were saying is that he he loves making us mad and scared he thrives on it so as soon as you start reacting to it and letting your life crumble in any way, even if it's mentally or emotionally or however it's doing it to you,

you're letting a narcissistic monster who wants nothing more than to see you in pain win. So you have to enjoy yourself and have your life. You try. And then allot some time in the morning to be despairing and hopeless and angry. Pace yourself when you check the phone, the news. Don't rush

into it. Brace and then pop it open. You're like, oh God. And then feel it, process it, and then try to have a fucking day. You people do not get to applaud. And let me tell you why. Every single fucking one of you are so up on the news.

How many of you know that Zinke at Interior had a private jet problem? Yeah, that broke this afternoon. You're animals. I know, but we're animals. But, like, look, I was, for eight years, I was at Air America in the beginning. I remember. And it was like, I had to take a crash course in understanding politics because I was not a wonk. I was like sort of a comedian, just a reactive idiot.

I was old school. I want you to know that I bought a boom box to listen to the first day of Air America radio. Yeah? That's real. Why did you buy a boom box? Because I'm stupid. Oh, you didn't have a radio. I didn't have a radio.

I'm in my apartment in New York and I needed a radio so I went to the store and bought a boom box but well thank you I appreciate the effort and I hope it was a good day for you

I listened all day it meant a lot to me it was something right it was exciting I had to get up at 2.30 in the morning to crunch the news and be on the air at 6

and I was out of my mind I would eat like packages of M&M's and drink Dunkin' Donuts coffee. So if you listen to me on Air America, it was pure induced mania all the fucking time. I would go to a pizza place

on the corner of 10th and 43rd in New York. I'd buy two slices of pizza. I'd walk into my apartment. I'd turn on the boom box. In the morning? Anytime. Again, problem. When Vito's opened, I was there.

Hey, Vito. Hey. Early bird, you know. I'll take the ones from yesterday. You don't keep them? They're in the garbage. That's okay. I'll get them.

My keys work. My keys at Vito's still work. Good. Oh, so anyways, what I was saying is, is like we were so engaged with the shit all like you know i would go down rabbit holes because i didn't know enough about government really and how it worked i remember your rabbit holes yeah right like you know we were so hung up on like you know carl rove and like you know what he was doing and then the abramov things broke like we were so into every rabbit hole and then when I got out of there and I started

the podcast and Obama was president, I was like, I'm done with that shit. And for eight years I was done with it. And now this happened. And at the beginning of it, at the beginning of Trump when there was all that fascist theater going on with the signing and the holding

and then bans there. Yeah, yeah, just sort of like like I was like, what is happening? And because I just have enough narcissism to freak out at anything, I was sure that I was not going to be able to get a passport because Bannon wasn't going to let me personally get one. It wasn't about you. That's weird. But for about a month it was.

It was really about me. And my girlfriend and I went to went to hawaii the week he took office and it was ruined everything he ruined it trump ruined hawaii he ruined hawaii i was on kawaii honestly i didn't to this moment to me the thing i remember from the beginning was the muslim band but i didn't know about this other thing of it ruining Hawaii. Well, that's my selfishness. All that was happening, and I'm in Hawaii going, there's going to be blood in the streets,

the Jews are going to be taken away. It was all about the Jews for me, right? So eventually, my girlfriend, I'm paraphrasing, basically said, I don't think you're first on the list. So I really So eventually my girlfriend like I'm paraphrasing basically said, you know, I don't think you're first on the list so So I really took that in I'm like, you know, you're probably right There's probably a couple other groups before me and I should wait it out There's literally a poem about how that's not a good way to handle it

But I know first they came though It's a whole thing and they hang it up in English class and then there was no one there for me when they came That's the worst man. I was leaving. Okay, I was no one there for me when they came for me. That's just the worst mentality. I didn't say I was leaving. I said I was going to wait it out and help who I could. Waiting it out sounds bad. Well, that's what we're doing. What do you think we're doing?

I guess we're waiting it out. That's right. We're waiting it out. You can get involved all you want. Know all the news you can. But what can you fucking do? Well, that's the thing, though. We are all reading the news so

much more than before and thank goodness well there's parts of it that are really great but thank god for the journalists they're like there's like the one check we have they're like that thank god thank god incredible journalism but at the same time what did we do with the chunk of our brain that's Trump-focused? As a nation, we have collectively taken a bunch of our attention from different parts of our lives, and we've put it on our worst person. What is the damage that that does? He loves it. Of course he loves it, but we can't help that. But that's the thing. When you flip open your goddamn phone in the news and all those pictures of him,

they serve the same purpose as pictures of Mao or Stalin or statues did in totalitarian regimes. We're doing it to ourself. You just sit there and every goddamn picture just hits you in the head to your fucking dreaming about that monster. All right, look. How many people here have had Trump dreams?

Depressing. Of course he's going to get in there. That's where he wants to be. He's Freddy Krueger. He is. He's it. He's the clown from fucking it. But, but.

What you're saying though. I'm in it all day long, I check. I'm having a hard time not checking now. So you're back in. You're saying that. I'm in it all day long, I check. I'm having a hard time not checking now. So you're back in. You're back in. Well, that's what I was going to say, is that it was amazing how quickly you can just, like, re-groove, get back into the narrative.

But there's so many more bad guys. Like, I had this, there's a lot of things that are shattered for me. Like, I used to have this, me, even during Bush, I thought, like, you know what? The majority of Americans, you know, are good people. And I think I had the numbers wrong. There are not as many as I thought. Like, I really used to believe that.

You know, most Americans are good people. I'm like, I don't know, maybe most, but not by a lot. Not by a lot. It's a closer game than you thought it was. Yeah, exactly. These teams are a bit more evenly matched. Yeah, yeah. But are they?

Like, I talk about that on my special. Like, how do, isn't that, do you, what do you believe? What? Now, okay, so I know people that voted for Trump, and I've got to deal with those people if I choose to deal with them. And I've known them for years. Do you think, you know, this is a time for trying to connect with other Americans or a time to fight it out and hopefully the justice will prevail?

I think it's both. I think that there are Trump super fans and then there are Trump voters and they're different. I think that there's people most motivated by racial animus and there's people motivated by grievance. There are liberals that like to say things like oh these are people voting against their own interest. But I find that's not helpful.

I think the better question is why don't we understand their interest or more to the point, why do people value their economic interest and their healthcare interest and their tax code and all the rest? Why do they value that less than they value these cultural

touchstones? These feelings. What they value over everything else is fuck you! Fuck you. What's the value of that? And what are the words we're not saying or the case we're not making or the policy we're not proposing to let people know that they don't have to do that? Yeah. That they can make a different choice.

And I think that's part of what Trump has woken up, right? That's part of why we're all paying attention to the news so much, I think, is try to figure out, like, what the fuck? Yeah. But don't you think that some people are just kind of like you know they're like they just want to see it it's it's permission it's permission you know there's like there's all these studies about like the first person to throw a chair and the second person to throw a chair where you throw these chairs where's this happening you know riots sales at walmart on black friday what's the environment for chair throwing? I think it's, you know,

hectic Chuck E. Cheese's. That's where they did the study? They did a lot of it at a restaurant where the service was bad. It was a Chuck E. Cheese in Asbury Park, New Jersey. Which for some reason was representative in some kind of larger way. I don't fully remember. I don't know.

I didn't really. I just read the abstract. Okay. You have to go. But before you go, there was one thing I wanted to ask because, you know, you have this. Did we do something here? Did something happen? Did it go good? This was good. Don't ask them for permission. You know this went well. All right. Before we go, you have this book coming out that kind of looks at a lot of the interviews you've done over the years. And before we came out, I said, you know, I was going to ask you about some of the lessons you learned,

and you said that there was one big lesson. From all these interviews, hundreds of interviews, you sat down with people and had these intimate conversations. I do have had a lot of intimate conversations. And just for me, not really feeling like I ever set out to be an interviewer, the one thing I know about everyone is that they're never anything, they're never what you expect them to be. Like, it's weird because most of the people I talk to are public personalities. So you can look at

their work. You can look at, you know, what they did. You can look at the Wikipedia. You can build a person in your head. But, and I do that all the time. And I have a relationship. Like, when Cranston came to my house, Brian Cranston, I really think I wanted to interview Walter White. And I was insistent on it. Like. I thought that was the interview I wanted and he kept fucking it up. Brian Cranston. We have Tony Goldwyn here tonight and I still think he's the villain from Ghost. Right.

But you've got that in your head. It's a problem. But what I've learned from talking to people over time is that there's so much more to almost everybody and I'm never bored and I'm never bored and I'm always surprised by how interesting

most people are if you give them a second. Well, Mark Maron, I love your show. I loved having the chance to talk to you. Thanks for coming. Thanks.

Thanks for having me. I loved it. Give it up for Mark Maron. Thank you. When we come back, our awesome panel. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up.

And we're back. Very excited about our panel today. She is a writer and co-host of the podcast Another Round. Please welcome Heaven Nogatu. He is a screenwriter and co-host of the screenwriting podcast Script Notes and producer of an upcoming HBO miniseries called Chernobyl.

Please welcome Craig Mazin. He is an actor starring in the new film about Watergate, Mark Felt, the man who brought down the White House. And he plays President Fitzgerald Grant in Scandal. Please welcome Tony Goldwyn. How are you guys doing? Good. We've been drinking upstairs.

Terrific. I've been drinking. Oh, good. It's going to be a loose job. We have one drink, guys. One drink. Everybody's losing it. I see some friends of the pod up here.

I didn't mention that earlier, but I do like to highlight it because you have the merch. Not the guy in the flannel shirt who was talking very early in the show. But what are you going to do? All right, let's get into it. What a week. So, you know, I'm not going to run through all the NFL bullshit.

You guys all know what happened. We all know what happened. So, in the days since, there's been this reaction during Sunday, Sunday night football? When do the football games happen? All day Sunday. You know, all kinds of teams responded.

It's weekend football day! You're Dallas Cowboys. You're... Seahawks! You're Seattle Seahawks. weekend football day. Your Dallas Cowboys. Your Seattle Seahawks. Your New England Patriots.

Heaven, I'll start with you. How have you felt about the NFL's response this week? The different versions of kneeling and not kneeling. Kneeling before, during, and after. Not coming out. Statements, empty statements, more profound statements.

Where's your head at? Unity. I love that narrative. No, I feel like, okay, just to back up a little, I feel like there's never been an easier time to protest. Like, truly, the sides are Nazis, not Nazis. Like, what are your qualms? What are your questions? The sides are like, people not dying is the thing we're fighting. Or are you pro-black people dying? What? So I feel like the protest, we've lost sight of the simple

act that was being asked, which is like, hey, can police not kill black people? That'd be dope. You know what I mean? You feel like that's been lost already? Yeah, like now the owners are in solidarity with who? Like black people? News to me? Well, they also all donated to Trump.

Right, that's what I'm saying. And Colin Kaepernick still doesn't have a job. They still don't have a job. Like how, like you guys have lost sight of what we're even talking about. Tony, do you follow football? Kind of like you, John. Okay.

Craig, do you follow football? Uh, yeah, ish. I don't follow it. So you picked the wrong topic. No, no, it's, it's, I gotta say, like, I've seen, Colin Kaepernick, I would want the crowd to tell me this, because I honestly have not been able to suss it out. Is he good enough to be on a team? Yes, yes.

Yeah, absolutely. Without question. Without question, he's good enough to be on a team, and he's not on a team because of politics. Is Trump good enough to be president? No, that's a different... Do we even matter? That's the irony of all these owners over the weekend who took a knee and joined hands or didn't take a knee and joined hands and seemed so heartfelt and outraged.

None of them have offered him a job. Well, the NFL's unity is a unity of money. They are really good at selling and making money. They are extraordinarily good at it. And unlike the unions in baseball and basketball, which do a fairly, well, in baseball, an amazing job of representing the players, the employees, and in basketball, a pretty good job, the NFL Players Union has always been considered the weakest. They don't have guaranteed contracts.

If they get injured, which, as it turns out, they are all getting injured in their brains, they can just cancel the contract and you're done. The average length of an NFL career is down to like four years or something. These people are being hurt and then discarded all in service of this massive show, this gladiatorial sport. And so they will do anything they need to do to keep that machine running. And I think Trump, at long last, made it easy for them to go, oh, well, you can't attack the NFL. We're the NFL, so we'll just unify behind the NFL.

Not behind black people. Not behind victims of police brutality. Right. Us. That's what, now, the players, I think, it's a different story. You're talking about a league that I think is 70% African American.

Talk about it. Talk about it. Okay. I think the players have a very heartfelt response here you could see some weirdness going on where some of them were like we're not going out on the field but then one guy's going out on the field and now they're cheering it's it's a rough situation for them so what what are the coaches not the coaches the owners what do the owners think they're on the field for? According to Trump now, they're scared of their players.

He said that today. He said the NFL players are scared of their players, the owners. So if you didn't see that one, that was nice. And how about, what is your term for Trump that I love? A dotty old racist. The thing that also is lost in this whole thing is Roy Moore, who he wasn't campaigning for, who won, is like the dotty old racist of dotty old racists.

He was. He was. Your favorite racist, favorite racist. I mean, the racist is racist. Roy Moore. Roy Moore was a crazy nut who showed that there were deep problems within the Republican Party, like long before Trump ever showed up. We will get to Roy Moore.

One more thing on this, though. I feel like there's also been this coverage around this, sort of a kind of, I don't know, what do you call it, like a sigh followed by a, can't we just have some place where politics, where we're safe from... What a goddamn luxury.

Can't right here. That would be nice. Wouldn't it be nice if we could have some place where you could drive a car and not get shot? That would be nice. Wouldn't it be nice if we could have someplace where you could drive a car and not get shot? That would be nice. Won't someone think of the white people? But what do you think about? So I don't even know what the best argument for it is to say, you know,

that this is bringing politics into football. What do you think about that? What a luxury to live in a world where politics is not immediately brought in for you, that your body is not politicized. Like, come on. You want to tap out on Sundays? Me too, bitch. Me too.

Right. Come on. It's sort of like a, it's like a, it says, like, basically, I need a place where we pretend everything is fine. Right. It's also, it's bullshit. They have politicized it for years to their own advantage. They have politicized their affinity for the military. They have connected patriotism to a kind of celebration of the military. I think celebrating fighting men and women

is a patriotic thing to do, assuming that they're good men and women. I think the vast majority of our soldiers are. But they have kind of commodified that. So that's part of the gig now. I think someone mentioned that the Dodgers at every game have a sort of a hero, an American hero, and it is always a service person. They are American heroes by and large, but so also are nurses, so also are teachers. So sports has narrowed the definition of patriotism to pro-militarism. It's much wider than that.

And I think a huge part of the bandwidth of what it means to be patriotic is to stand up and defend your fellow American citizens who are being treated unfairly. Yeah, it connects back, I think, to the response to hurricanes in that we celebrate heroics and rescue, but not service and help and comfort. That we elevate these virtues, these sort of martial virtues over the helping virtues. And that's what football is. Trump was doing that all weekend instead of talking about the catastrophe of three and a half million people in Puerto Rico. I mean American citizens in Puerto Rico. And you know

and just before we move on you know while all this was going on you know it's funny I was talking about this with Mark Maron which is where is our attention going that we used to talk about other things. Well this was sort of a clear cut case where instead of being focused on a massive natural disaster affecting millions of Americans who are without water

and electricity and power, we were focused on Trump. So just to, you know, look, that crisis is ongoing. It's a humanitarian disaster, and you can go to globalgiving.org to donate and help. You can go to globalgiving.org to donate and help. You can go to globalgiving.org to donate and help. I repeat it exactly the same way, because one of you had a phone.

You're the one with a phone. I don't care. I'm living for this drama, yes! Very aggressive up here. I alpha out like Don Jr. Not Don Jr. By the way, Don Jr., man, gave up his secret service for one week.

What was that week about? Do we know? It was some sort of hunting excursion. I don't know if it's just hunting. I hear people saying hunting. I want to know more. I think Ashley Feinberg is on the case, and I'm excited to find out where it leads. What are your theories?

I'm so curious what you think could be happening. I will not spend my time chatting. Boyfriend. You know what, Craig? I hope he does have one. Everyone deserves one. Health care. On Tuesday, you know, you remember Tuesday a thousand years ago?

Graham Cassidy officially was declared dead by Mitch McConnell. He had hard no's from John McCain, Rand Paul, Susan Collins. This marks the fourth failed Obamacare repeal attempt since the start of summer. And what a summer it was. We are back to a bipartisan bill. You know, one thing that was interesting that, so Lamar Alexander and Patty Murray had been working on this bipartisan

stabilization effort to kind of make tweaks to Obamacare. And then all of a sudden, the Republicans said the talks have broken down. There's no hopes for bipartisanship. We're too far apart. The only hope is Graham Cassidy. And then the Democrats said, no, that's a fucking lie. Mitch McConnell told Lamar Alexander to walk away because he wanted to create the leverage to pass Graham Cassidy. And once again, this was covered as a one side

says one thing, one side says the other. You know, this is the controversy. This is the argument. And lo and behold, Graham Cassidy fails. And what happens? The bipartisan talks are back. And you know what I think is nice? I saw a lot of pundits being really reflective about their failure to properly adjudicate that. They did not do fucking anything.

They didn't learn a goddamn thing. One thing that did happen as a part of this is that Donald Trump said the following. We have one senator who's a yes vote, a great person, but he's in the hospital. And he's a yes vote. So we can't do it by Friday, so we have the votes. Now this was an interesting comment,

because it is not true. Doesn't have the votes, not in the hospital. In fact, there was a day of kind of frenzy trying to figure out what the fuck he was talking about. And apparently Thad Cochran, I don't know, had like a doctor's appointment or something. And he was a guaranteed yes and not part of the problem. But that became a senator is on death's door and cannot vote in favor of this bill. Craig, what'd you make of this? Well, I was, I mean, I, in a weird, creepy way,

would love to have that kind of self-esteem where I could just lie and never consider that anybody would check the lie. A basic fact check. Yeah, basic, but like just a cursory fact check. You mean like that he's not going to get any benefits from the new tax plan? Correct.

Exactly. See, I go through my day. I tell the truth. People are like, is that true? And I'm like, probably not. Because I thought it, and I'm a flawed man. And he's just like, here's something. Yeah, we have it.

We have it. It's just that there was a weird glitch with a senator in a hospital. And then he walks away like, nailed it. Yeah, we have it. We have it. It's just that there was a weird glitch with a senator in a hospital. And then he walks away like, nailed it. Yeah, it is. He is, he can just look at the camera and lie.

Like, with such conviction. You know, and he's done it for so long. It is incredible. It takes a, it takes a certain amount of, I don't know. I don't know what that thing is. But also, pointlessly, like, remember, Clinton looked us all in the eye and lied, right?

But he was lying about something I kind of didn't give a shit about. I actually didn't care who he was having sex with. Maybe you did. I didn't care so much. I was like, I was in high school. But I understood why he lied. Like, later, I was like, oh, yeah, no, that lie. It was deep shit. He tried to lie to get out of a big problem. Yeah, oh, yeah. No, that lie. It's a deep shit.

He tried to lie to get out of a big problem. Yeah, like you shouldn't lie. You shouldn't cheat on your wife and you shouldn't have sex with interns and you shouldn't lie. But the lie certainly has rationale behind it. This dude just lies pointlessly about shit that doesn't even matter. Yeah. He just likes it. So what's next for health care?

They're moving on to tax reform. There's still this open question as to whether or not tax reform will include healthcare. But one other piece of this, which will be very difficult to fight, but important that we do stay on it, is the way in which the Trump administration will undermine

Obamacare from an administrative level. Tom Price will get off his Gulfstream and fuck with it. Sam Stein and Gideon Resnick in the Daily Beast wrote up just a litany of what they're doing right

now, and it's worth reading. The president has signed executive orders weakening the mandates requiring individuals to purchase insurance. His administration has ended contracts with firms who have provided in-person assistance to states using healthcare.gov. The Department of Health and Human Services has produced videos designed to undermine public support for Obamacare. HHS has reconfigured its website to make enrollment information harder to access.

There has been little apparent effort to engage non-government partners that have worked in the past to reach uninsured populations. At the end of August, CMS announced that it would slash funds for marketplace outreach by 90%. HHS decided not to participate in pre-enrollment events with health advocacy groups. And additionally, HHS announced that it will shut down the federal exchange site for 12 hours for all but one Sunday during the open enrollment season. What are they doing? Yeah, what is right? But other than that, they're doing a great job. They're working very hard. And by the way, the press person out of HHS gave a despicable statement explaining why they were doing this,

which was practically just a campaign statement as if they are not governing, trying to undermine Obamacare. So that's just, I mean, this is what is going to happen. They are going to do their best to try to destroy Obamacare from the inside. That's the terrifying thing about this administration to me is while the sort of P.T. Barnum is out front distracting everybody with his crazy racism, all of this

administrative stuff is going on behind the scenes. And one of the real silver linings that we see again and again is people coming out and protesting and the handicapped group that that we see again and again is people coming out and protesting and the handicapped group that went and flooded Congress and shutting all the activism has been amazing. But how do you fight against that?

That's what I don't get. It's really hard. But the good news is there are going to be, I think, people stepping up with ad campaigns and work to try to help people and make up the difference in terms of getting public advocacy for the exchanges, for Obamacare, and to kind of fill the gaps that the government is leaving open. And we're going to have more to say about that soon at Crooked. But it's hard. You know, look, there have been, I think we've learned a lot in these first few months. We've learned, we've made mistakes. You know, we've let our guard down on health care in the past, and we didn't do that again. We've been able to activate people and

fight a Muslim ban and protest, and you've seen this incredible outpouring of activism, but I think one of the real challenges is staying motivated. I mean, Heaven, what do you think about that? Oh my god, I, like, I've been trying to keep up with everything, right? As we all are, like, it's our duty whatever but like the Russian stuff is like juicy gossipy to me I'm like oh how many meetings bitch what you put that in an email you know like that stuff I can keep up with and like it feels like a thing that's like just a story that's unfolding whereas health healthcare feels so depressing, and I cannot, like, imagine hating a black president that much that you want everyone to die. Like, y'all hate Obamacare that badly?

Like, come on. It's so depressing seeing how much energy and, like, you are going way out of your way to make other people's lives not good. That sucks. Ooh. Sucks that he's going to do that. Tax reform. Oh, this will be funny. This won't be depressing either.

I just want to touch on this quickly. We don't have all the details yet, but Trump unveiled a new tax plan on Wednesday during a speech in Indianapolis. The tax plan cuts the corporate tax rate. It cuts the top individual rate to 35%, and it repeals the estate tax. Gary Cohn said that he could not guarantee that a middle-class family would not get a tax increase.

And Mnookin, impossibly, in a tough category, the least likable member of the Trump cabinet, congrats to him, Razzy's in the mail, said that he thinks that there will be $2 trillion of growth till the tax plan will cut down the deficit, which is just abject nonsense. This promise that they've made that they're going to cut everyone's taxes is simply not true, which means this is a giant tax plan to increase taxes on the middle class to pay for an elimination of the estate tax and a cut in taxes for the wealthiest people, including virtually every member of Trump's cabinet,

Trump himself, and Trump's family. Tony, what do you think about that? You think that's good politics? I think it's so insane that I can't imagine it's going to get anywhere near passage, so that's the good news. But we live in a world where up is down. I hear you.

And another lie, bold-faced lie, President Trump said today, I guess, I will see no benefit personally from this tax plan. Maybe he's admitting finally that he's broke. This is not going to help me. And Gary Cohn said the same thing. I don't know what to say. What is the thing I'm shocked but not surprised, right?

Yeah, they're just, it's incredible. It is incredible to go out there and be like, we're cutting taxes for billionaires, but not me, not this billionaire. Other billionaires, which you'll love. Like, what's the argument, right? Like, we're cutting, and the fact that they're gonna try to claim

that they're gonna, you know, they're saying, oh, you don't have all the details. We're going to fix all these problems later, but they don't have the money. They do not have the money to do what they're doing to the rates without causing an increase in taxes for the middle class and the upper middle class, which is, by the way, a problem that has been

there from the beginning of any effort to reform the tax code, which is if you want to reform the tax code, you have to go to where the money is, and if you want to cut taxes for fucking billionaires, you've got to go and raise taxes on the middle class. So, once again, they've stumbled upon a math problem that they won't be able to solve. And where are these great Republican

deficit hawks? It's going to explode to a trillion whatever, and there's no... I don't know. These guys are obsessed with spending money on the military. It's just they like spending money on what they like spending money on. They have a dream that the money will sort of emerge from the sky because they cut taxes.

But the truth is that the tax rate for the top level of Americans is kind of historically low. I mean, at its lowest, lowest, I think Reagan had it all the way down to 25, but that didn't last very long. But we don't know, I mean, most of us don't know this because we're roughly of a certain age in here, but the top tax rate under John F. Kennedy was 90%. That's what it was, the top marginal federal income tax rate. Pardon me?

And Eisenhower. And Eisenhower, exactly. And partly because we had this... Craig, I want you to know that... Smart. You know, we have smart, vociferous people here. And I obviously have no... I have no experience with hecklers,

because I'm like, oh, good. Join in. Useful information. It is very rare in a comedy club for people to be shouting out top marginal rates during the 50s that's all you that's all you so that's a fun thing that happens here at love it or leave it um i want to touch on this briefly it's so fucked up and absurd anyway it turns out the whole Trump cabinet has been flying around on private jets this whole fucking time,

spending hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. It goes to your point about these deficit hawks. And Tom Price today said he'd pay back the cost of his seat. His seat. Meanwhile, the plane was full of Price people. So wait, is he going to charge each of them? He said, I'll pay $51,000 or whatever it is

for the $400,000 plane. But is he going to make his of them? He said, I'll pay $51,000 or whatever it is for the $400,000 plane. But is he going to make his staffers pay their portion? I don't think he can. I don't think he can make government bureaucrats pay for private jet flights after the fact. I hope he doesn't. But pretty galling. What else is there to say? Fuck these guys.

Private. You know what it is, though? The one thing about it is it really is a fish rots from the head because they got a taste of it. They flew private and they're like, I'm not going back. And I don't have to because Trump is president.

No one gives a fuck. Mnookin's over there at fucking Treasury trying to get a military escort to St. Barts or something. Zinke's flying around in a jet. Tom Price seems to constantly have to take private jet flights in an emergency to visit his son at college. Scott Pruitt. Scott Pruitt's gone fully bananas over at EPA.

He built some kind of a quiet cube with taxpayer money. He's got a 24-7 round-the-clock $800,000 security tail, and he's also flying private. What is going on over there? Well, you know what the model in a weird way is? It's these mega church evangelical preachers. They lie to people who don't have a lot of money. Those people give them money.

They take that money, and then they fly around on jets and build themselves mansions. That's kind of the culture. It's like President Crefro Dollar. It's like that's kind of where we are. You have to say for Tom Price, at least he was against it before he was for it. Because he made this big sploon when he was in Congress saying, these private jets

that public servants are flying on, they're off with their heads. That's what gave him the idea. Right. We'll leave it there. When we come back, a segment called OK Stop, but before we get there, Craig Mazin, there's something

people here may know about you, which is that you spent some time with my, one of my favorite Republican primary challengers to not win in 2016. You were freshman year roommates with Ted Cruz at Princeton. I'm so sorry.

No, they all seem to enjoy it. I think that's great. Laugh it up. That's my pain. So obviously we have to ask about the porn habits. So we're going to get straight to it, buddy. I'm sorry. I'm taking over the show.

I want to know. I want to know. We're going to get to it. We're going to get to it. Just kidding. But so in honor of Craig's experience, we are introducing a new segment called Sweet Mother of God, My College Roommate is Ted Cruz, in which Craig will share with us one story before each break about his experience in college. Craig, the floor is yours.

Okay, real quick story. Very early on, I got to my room, and there was Ted. His name on the assignment was Rafael Cruz, so I said, hello, Rafael, and he's like, oh, no, I go by Ted. And I was like, I think we're already in trouble. He had a milk crate. That was our classic storage then. He had all of his books.

And I looked into the pile of books, and there was a paperback. It was in Spanish, but the title was Carl Marks, a Satanist? And I thought, no, he was not. Not really a reason to write a whole book about it. marks a Satanist question mark and I thought no he was not I don't not really reason to write a whole book about it Ted unlike most of us who knew to only have a class after 11 a.m. he would he register for a whole bunch of 8 a.m. er's

but then he would not wake up he would set his alarm for 7 a.m. but then he would just hit the snooze button over and over and over. And I was like, dude, you gotta stop. And he's like, but he never ever did. So eventually I just crazy glued it. And to me, that is how you have to deal with Ted Cruz. You have to crazy glue his snooze button. Until you do, he will keep hitting it. When we come back OK Stop

don't go anywhere this is Love It or Leave It and there's more on the way now for a segment called OK Stop yesterday Paul Ryan spoke to one of America's worst people Sean Hannity about his relationship with Donald Trump let's watch people, Sean Hannity, about just about his relationship with Donald Trump. Let's watch together. We'll pause as we go and, you know, we'll comment. Let's talk about Congress and the president. I know people that sit in Senate private closed

door meetings and they write me what's said. I'll give you names. Penn Sass, John McCain, at least 10 or 12 senators that don't want the president to succeed, Republican senators that openly trash the president. What's your relationship with that? Okay, stop. No shit, right? Like, he's saying this like it's shocking.

Of course they think that. Most of these senators are, even the Republicans who are even, I mean, now maybe Roy Moore will get to him, He's saying this like it's shocking. Of course they think that. Most of these senators are, even the Republicans who are even, I mean, now maybe Roy Moore will get to him, but of course they think that. What kind of rational person would hear that and go, the problem is with those people.

There's a whole bunch of them. There's one Trump. They're all in agreement. He's an asshole. It's the opposite of that. We have a great relationship. Are you happy with his presidency? I'm very happy, but you don't have that in the House of Representatives. Okay, stop.

Before we get there, first of all, just the display of a Speaker of the House just groveling before this fucking dumb goon. And also, just keep in mind what we've heard so far, right? He has a great relationship. He's very happy. Very cool. Caucuses every week. You don't hear that kind of talk from the House of Representatives. I have not heard it from House members.

So you don't hear that from House members. Look, I think the president is giving us the kind of leadership we need to get this country back on the right track. Is there anything about his agenda that you think is not conservative? Not that I can think of. Okay, stop.

So we just want to keep up with where we're at. Very happy. The right leadership, taking our country in the right direction. It's conservative. Can't think of anything that's not conservative. All right, let's keep going. Any big disagreement you have with him?

No, no. And you really, so really it comes down to the Senate. Okay, stop. No big disagreements. I think that's important. I think this video is important because eventually there's going to come a point at which someone like Paul Ryan is going to tell us that Donald Trump was really a Democrat. And when that happens, I want us to remember this clip. He's a conservative. He's very happy. It's the

leadership we need. No big disagreements. That's all I really wanted to say. People need to focus their attention. Look, I love to bash the other guys. I can control what we can control, but we're doing our job here in the House, and we're rooting for our friends in the Senate to get this stuff done. We're really disappointed in health care, but we still got a chance of getting a lot of these big things done. Okay, stop. No big disagreements. Very happy. No big disagreements. Very happy.

Conservative. Loves the leadership. I also love that he's always doing the lip thing where you can tell a man is about to lie to you. What is that? I want to know how to not do that. It's right there. Get your mans right here. So just for the people listening at home, it's sort of a purse thing?

If you watched Kevin Hart apologize recently, he's also given you the same lip. By the way, very charitable of you to describe those as lips, because... Indeed. Not really any flesh. Sub-lip. Subterranean. Sort of skin and teeth.

That's the Paul Ryan I'm lying to your face and that's okay stop now for a segment called sweet mother of god my college roommate is ted cruz craig you're up uh so uh we lived in a hallway. It was a co-ed dorm. And across the hallway from us, through a door, there was a hallway that just happened to be all women. So our hallway was mixed, but that hallway was all women. Ted had a robe.

I ain't done with you yet. The robe was not silk it was not silk. It was not even fake silk. It was like fake, fake silk. It was like a sateen. It was purple and it was paisley. This was 1988. So that was like Prince was the coolest man in the world.

And then this was like a guy wearing like a cool man's skin, like Buffalo Billet skinned Prince and was just like. I just, I'm not going to do it. You guys can vomit if you want. So what he would do is he would kind of like Hugh Hefner's way, sorry, R.I.P. Down the hall into that hallway with all these girls and sort of like. And inevitably, one of them would come to me and say, you have to get your roommate out of our hallway. And I'm like, you're talking to me like my dog is shitting on your lawn.

I don't control this motherfucker. I don't want him here either. End scene. When we come back, a new segment called Presidential President. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Now for a segment called Presidential President. Here's how it works.

Our friend Tony Goldwyn will be using his best presidential skills to read a speech that's both fictional presidential quotes mixed in with lines from real Donald Trump speeches. What is your name? Lane. Hi, Lane. Hi. How are you? Wonderful. I wish I was wearing some merch.

I do, too, and we're going to fix that. We're going to work on that. You are wearing clothes. I don't want people to, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where are you from? From Houston, Texas. Cool.

Oh, that's where Ted Cruz is from. Houston still needs your help, everyone. So send donations, please. Right on. All right, good to know. So, Lane, here's how it works. Tony is going to bring his skills to bear reading both fictional presidential lines and Donald Trump lines.

You will have to decide which are from Donald Trump and which lines are from a TV president. At any point in the speech, if you think you're hearing a Trump line, you tell us. Keep in mind, if you're wrong, you lose a point. If you miss one, a Trump line, you lose a point. Now you may be thinking. This is a new game. It is a new game. Now you may be thinking, what's the point system?

What is the point system? Let's begin. Hi, Lane. Hi. Before we do, can I make a shameless plug? Since you mentioned Houston for a charity that's doing amazing work in Houston and Puerto Rico. For people that, in addition to the one you mentioned, americares.org. Check it out. They were on the ground in Puerto Rico as we speak and in addition to the one you mentioned, americares.org. Check it out.

They were on the ground in Puerto Rico as we speak and have done ongoing work in Houston. So check out Americares. Anyway, in my best presidential voice, here's the speech. America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. We share one heart, one home, one glorious destiny. So today... Wrong, you missed one.

Too fucking late, Lane. Lane? John, John, John, John, John. It's Colney Dre tomorrow, I'm thinking. You're going to use Yom Kippur to try to get a point in a fake game? You're lucky it's Colney Trey tomorrow. You're lucky you get to repent. I'm thinking I'm reflective.

It's the high holidays. Oh, you're already in that mindset. Yes, yes. I was going to say yes. I'm on your side, ladies. Thank you. What were you thinking? I was thinking that was Trump.

All right, fine. The one heartness, the one soul. Yep, you got it. You're right. Thank you. Okay, here we go. You ready? I'm ready. So today, I don't want to talk about the present. I want to talk

about the future. The past was once the future. The future is, I should say, unknown. Oh God, it sounds like Trump. No. It does, but it's not. Oh, just as ridiculous, yeah. And let us also say,

a lot happened today. We love Julia Louis-Dreyfus. Yeah, best wishes. And her statement was wonderful. And sad to see that she's going through this, but it was a great statement and we're rooting for her. Tony, continue. Yeah.

Because today, we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another or from one party to another, but we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another, or from one party to another, but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C., and giving it back to you. That's Trump. The people.

She got it. That's Trump. Because 10 million of you can't even get a job, even though you desperately want one. That sounds like Trump. Frank Underwood, House of Cards. Oh, God. The rules of this game are opaque, even to me.

Okay. But is it bad that they all sound like him? That's horrible. I'm sorry, Lane. I think she just figured out the way the game works. We love Lane. You have to know whether or not you continue to have the momentum. And if you don't have it, that's okay.

Because you're going to go on, and you're going to learn, and you're going to do things that are great. Trump. It made no sense, so that's a clue. So let it be known, all those who will seek to squash individual rights and freedoms may hear us. Your time has passed. Trump fits from scandal. Yeah, that was me, and I'm nothing like Trump.

That was him. Do you remember that line? Yeah, I think I do, actually. I was looking at it and I was like, oh, that sounds familiar. I think it was in a State of the Union address I once gave amidst my sexual escapades. It's a cool show. Yeah, something was going on beneath the podium.

Oh, well, there's more of me if you think you hear it. I won't read it because you already got it right. Okay, here's the next one. The United States has great strength and patience. This is going to be a really hard one, I'm just going to tell right. Okay, here's the next one. The United States has great strength and patience. This is going to be a really hard one, I'm just going to tell you. Okay. But if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea.

Yeah. Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. I'm going to say that's Trump. Lane, I've tallied the numbers. Wait, hold on. Let me check with the judges. Lane, you've won.

Presidential president. You will have the gift card to parachute. So that's coming your way. Give it up for Lane. Give it up for Tony Goldwyn. To take us into break one last time, it's time for our final Sweet Mother of God,

my college roommate is Ted Cruz. Craig, take us away. So a little after our first week together, I did manage, I claimed the top bunk because I just had a feeling. It seemed like the better place. But that meant that when I got super duper drunk and I puked, it went over the side and onto his textbook.

That's a story where you're the villain, by the way. No, no, no. I'm a hero. I lived long enough to become the hero. You have to understand, I've been living with this hatred of this one person for decades. Now, suddenly, everybody hates him with me. It's amazing! Anyway, Ted, he starts he has no friends. No one likes him.

We happen to have a lot of the basketball players in our building and they have a poker game going and they're like oh look, a sucker. So they're like, hey Ted, you want to come play poker with us? And he's like, friends. So he goes to the room. Multiple weeks go by in which they are absolutely destroying him. He must have thought that he, oh, basketball players, I can meet them. No, they took everything from him.

And so what do you think he did? He ratted them out to the university. And they got in trouble. That's Senator Raphael Edward Titt. And he didn't even get stitches and seen.

Amazing. Amazing. When we come back, the rant wheel. Don't go anywhere. This is Love It or Leave It and there's more on the way. Now for the rant wheel. You know how it works.

Lands on a topic we rant about. It's not that complicated. Here are our topics today. 280-character Twitter. Anti-vaxxers. The Scaramucci post. Whatever the fuck that is, Megyn Kelly's

debut on Today, Roy Moore, Mark Zuckerberg's statement vis-a-vis Facebook and fake news and all the rest, Hugh Hefner's passing, and audience choice. Let's spin the wheel. It has landed on Zuckerberg. And in case it did, I have a printout of what he said vis-a-vis Trump's tweet about Facebook being against him. And I thought it'd

be worth sharing it because it is one of the most frustrating things I think he could have said. I want to respond. No, I'm not doing it. Do it. Do it. I want to respond to President Trump's tweet this morning claiming Facebook has always been against him. What do I do with my hands?

Every day I work to bring people together and build a community for everyone. Trump says Facebook is against him. Liberals say we help Trump. Both sides are upset about ideas and content they don't like? No! Wrong! That's what running a platform for all ideas

looks like? I'm sorry. A platform for all ideas. Guys, there's two sides to every story. Donald Trump made some shit up about Facebook being against him. Liberals are simply reading news stories in, say, the Washington Post. And the New York Times saying, according to intelligence agencies, the Russian government used Facebook to launch a campaign against our democracy.

And we have a problem with that. Idea we don't like. Fucking bullshit. That is fucking't like. Fucking bullshit. That is fucking bullshit. That's it. I just... We're not mad. We're not mad because conservatives are posting about deregulation, right, and gay bakeries.

We're not mad about that. We're mad that Facebook got played and used to disrupt our election. And that people literally showed up at parks in Idaho because some Russian troll told them there was an anti-immigration rally. And we were fucking vulnerable. And we still don't know what went on. And we still haven't seen all the ads. And they're still not being totally forthcoming. And I'm fucking sick of Mark Zuckerberg's public relations tour and this spin, this overworked fucking statement, this ridiculous statement that feels like it went through 40 fucking rounds of edits to say fucking nothing to make a case about let's find some more of it.

Who cares? This was the first US election where the internet was a primary way candidates communicated. No. And also, what the fuck does that have to do with money being spent on bullshit lying ads to rile people up and divide the country? What does that have to do with anything? More people had a voice in this election than ever before. There's more people! And you know what I can't tell?

I cannot tell if Mark Zuckerberg isn't as smart as we think he is, or he's too smart for his own good. But stop spinning. Stop eating local folksy sandwiches. Stop releasing videos of you eating toast. And tell us what you're going to do to fix this shit, because there's too many of us on it. You control too many of the

ads on the internet. And at some point, being nice in your videos and talking about what you're doing to build a global community is not going to be enough. It's furiating. Too much power in too few hands. We're

out of time, guys. Isn't that nice when people want more show? Alright, give it up for our panel. Heaven Nogatu, Tony Goldwyn, Craig Mazin, Mark Maron. Have a great night! Love it or leave it, it's love it or leave it.

Respect it or don't say it. Love it or leave it, it's love it or leave it. Straight, shoot, try. Love it or leave it, it's love it or leave it. Respect it or don't say it. Bye.