Lovett or Leave It - It was Pence!

Episode Date: September 8, 2018

Anonymous Trump officials write op-eds for the Times and tell Bob Woodward everything. Kavanaugh perjures himself before the Senate. Cory Booker and Kamala Harris go hard in the hearings. And huge shocker: Fox & Friends doesn't like Colin Kaepernick's Nike ads. Plus Trump officials sound a lot like Real Housewives, Republicans scare voters about socialism, and a lovely, innovative woman dips her chicken fingers in Diet Coke. We are joined by an all-star panel with Kara Brown, Josh Barro, and Emily Yoshida to break down a ton of huge news. WHAT A WEEK. 

Good evening, Los Angeles. How nice it is to be here at the Improv Per Uge. Guys, there's been a lot of news. There's a mole. Somewhere, hiding in plain sight mixed in with the goons and white nationalists and the discards of Republican politics over the last 30 years. There walks a patriot.

He looks like he wants Donald Trump to succeed. He acts like he wants Donald Trump to succeed. But, as we learned in the New York Times this week, he's very conflicted about it. But, thanks to this whistleblower, to this good Julian Assange, we now have learned something.

Donald Trump is not fit to be president. But have no fear, because there are adults in the room, people like our anonymous hero, who every day make sure that deregulation and judicial nominees move smoothly, despite the chaos

and bigotry that surrounds them fuck that guy oh my god unbelievable now I am I think on the scale that exists amongst liberals

and democratic socialists they're among liberals, they're all liberals. It's a brand thing. Oh, you're a super liberal. We'll get into it. You're not seizing the means of production. You're a liberal.

You're a liberal who likes the new bands. I feel as though there is a consensus around the value of the so-called adults in the room among liberals and the consensus is fuck that you should walk out and say what you're seeing i actually am a little bit more sympathetic than the consensus i'm a tiny bit over towards the we still kind of want those adults to be there. But, but, this op-ed is such a self-serving, bit of self-righteous... What is this op-ed gonna do? Nothing. It's gonna do nothing.

It's gonna rile up Donald Trump, it's gonna rile up his supporters. It didn't teach us anything we know. I didn't see Paul Ryan change his mind. I don't even know if he's answered a question about it. Paul Ryan's answers to questions about Donald Trump actually have what is technically known as a redshift in them, because he's moving so far away so quickly. Or is that a blue shift? Is there anybody who knows?

The guy? It's red, right? Yeah, okay, yeah. his answers have a red shift. You know like when a car siren passes by and it's like, you know, he sounds like he's moving away. You're part of it. You're part of it. You're complicit in it and you're enabling it.

And there's two of the pieces of it that were the most galling to me. One was this idea that there were whispers early on amongst the cabinet about invoking the 25th amendment but we didn't want to provoke a constitutional crisis. The term constitutional crisis has come to mean absolutely fucking nothing. It's not a constitutional crisis when you invoke an amendment to the Constitution according to the spirit and letter of the amendment. It's not a constitutional crisis if you're using the amendment for the exact purpose it was written for.

That is why it is there. I'm not saying it'd be a breeze. I'm not saying it wouldn't be messy. I'm not saying it wouldn't be the shit show to end all shit show. I'm not even sure we'd survive. And I don't even know that he would leave. It might totally not work. But that would be the crisis.

That would be the constitutional crisis. Not invoking the thing. That's the first part. And the second part is, there's this part of the op-ed where he says, it's not about what Trump has done. It's about what we've allowed Trump to do to us.

Hold on. I want to get it exactly right because it's so stupid. Hold on. I'm literally going to look it up. I'm Googling Times resistance hero. I'm telling you, I think it will it up. I'm gonna go, I'm Googling Times Resistance Hero. I'm telling you, I think it'll pop up. First link. The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump

has done to the presidency, but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility. No. Fuck you, no.

No. No. You're doing it with him to us. You're not outside of it. You're not better than it. Yeah. Such a Mike Pence. It's not Pence.

Oh my God, it's not. Maybe it's Pence. It's not Pence. It's Pence. It's fucking Pence. If it is Pence, if it is Pence, cool. If it is Pence, I take it all back. Because that takes Moxie.

And I didn't think he had it in him. I didn't think he had it in him. I didn't think that dead-eyed Zealot had it in him. That would be so cool, just knifing him, making him crazy. He's wandering around that place like Lear. I don't know what Lear is about. I hope it is Pence. I hope it is Pence,

and I hope five other people take the fall. You're not a hero. You're just a shittier version of Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Yeah, you're Sarah Huckabee Sanders with a stomachache. That's what you are. Episode title? Who cares?

All right. Our next show, it's a very special show. We're doing it Thursday at the El Rey in Los Angeles. We're going to do a Pod Save America episode. Then we're going to do Love It or Leave It. So it's a late show. We're going to blow it out. And you can still get tickets for that.

And you should if you're going to be in LA. And if you haven't pledged to vote yet, pledge to vote at votesaveamerica.com and, you know, help unfuck America. We're doing it... We only get one shot at this. Only one bite at this apple. The notes I made to myself

about how to talk about that ep-ed are so crazy. Like, I didn't get to any of it. I have the phrase, end of history on here. And the phrase, stability and childhood. I had some deep points I was going to get to. Let's welcome our panel. She is a film critic for New York Magazine and co-host of the Night Call podcast.

Please welcome Emily Yoshida. Hi, Emily. How are you? Thanks for having me. Thanks for being here. She is a TV writer and previously a senior writer at Jezebel, and she is also a co-host of Keep It. Please welcome back to Love It or Leave It, Cara Brown!

Hi, Cara. Hey there. I was on Keep It this week. Hey there. I was on Keep It this week. He was. It was a good episode. It was good. It was. It was.

He is the host of KCRW's All the President's Lawyers and Left, Right, and Center podcast. He's a senior editor at Business Insider, and he'll be on tour this fall on September 20th in Santa Monica, October 11th in San Francisco, and November 7th in New York. Please welcome Josh Barrow. Hi, Josh. Hey, thanks for the long intro. No, I'm glad. You were basically on the stage

by the time I got to the end of it. It was good. All right, let's get into it. What a week. If you're like me, you're a messy bitch who lives for drama. And so this was quite a week. We had from Bob Woodward's book that proves everyone around Trump thinks he's an idiot to anonymous op-eds that prove everyone around Trump thinks he's an idiot. And who can forget the tough guy bro-off between little boy Marco and big boy Alex Jones.

But we'll get to all of it because we're going to start with one of the most important battles of Trump's term. This is the battle over the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh. A lot of Democrats have done I think a pretty good job of sort of bringing the fight to these hearings. First of all yesterday we saw this exchange between Kamala Harris and Brett Kavanaugh. We have a clip. Have you ever discussed special counsel Mueller or his investigation with anyone? Well it's in the news every day. Have you discussed it with anyone? With other judges, I know. Have you discussed Mueller or his investigation with anyone at Kasowitz, Benson, and Torres, the law firm founded by Mark Kasowitz,

President Trump's personal lawyer? Be sure about your answer, sir. Well, I'm not remembering, but if you have something you want to... Are you certain you've not had a conversation with anyone at that law firm? Kasowitz, Benson, and Torres, which is the law firm founded by Mark Kasowitz Benson and Torres which is the law firm founded by Mark Kasowitz who is President Trump's personal lawyer have you had any conversation about Robert Mueller or his investigation with anyone at that firm yes or no well is there a person you're talking about I'm asking you a very direct question, yes or no. I need to know the... I'm not sure I know everyone who works at that law firm.

I don't think you need to. And then, by Thursday morning, some frustration was mounting among committee members about only 10% of Kavanaugh's public documents being released to the Senate committee. Previously confidential emails were leaked to the New York Times, which showed Kavanaugh's public documents being released to the Senate committee. Previously, confidential emails were leaked to the New York Times, which showed Kavanaugh argued in 2003 against the idea that Roe v. Wade ought to be considered settled law. And then Cory Booker leaked a series of committee confidential emails that led to this moment in the committee.

I will say that I did willingly violate the chair's rule on the committee confidential process. I take full responsibility for violating that, sir. And I violate it because I sincerely believe that the public deserves to know this nominee's record. Any senator, officer, or employee of the Senate who shall disclose the secret or confidential business or proceedings of the Senate shall be liable, if a a senator to suffer expulsion from the body and to punishment or contempt so I would bring up I would correct the senator's statement there is no rule that applies and apply the rule and bring the charges all right all right it It's interesting. Interesting.

You guys like that. You're into it. All right. He fights. Senator Harris, if you're nasty, with the disdain that drips from her voice is truly all I want to achieve in this world. Well, that I want to... Does she have something there? It's like it's a setup for something that I want to... Does she have something there?

It's like it's a setup for something that's going to drop about... And apparently he has a friend who's one of the 300 lawyers at this firm. So are we going to learn that he talked with this person about this? Does Kamala Harris know something we don't know? It feels like we've seen the setup. We haven't seen the punchline. We don't know whether there is a punchline. Right.

I believe today he said, no, he didn't discuss it with one particular lawyer. Right. But I find it hard to believe that she went into that confrontation just waiting for him to deny something. Well, yeah, but I also find it hard to believe that Cory Booker pretended to have broken the rules of the Senate. So I guess, I guess, no, but I believe Cory Booker is claiming that he released a mix of documents, some of which had been previously approved and some of which hadn't. In addition, the Washington Post obtained leaked committee confidential documents. Kavanaugh testified to Ted Kennedy, quote,

No, I was not involved in handling Bill Pryor's nomination. Bill Pryor was a controversial anti-Roe judge who was being nominated to the federal appeals court. Later in that same testimony, Kavanaugh said, I'm not familiar generally, Mr. Pryor, but that was not one that I worked on personally. But then later in some of these emails, it was revealed that he was invited to meetings around the Pryor nomination. This has led to many people to say that he has committed perjury. In addition, Kavanaugh testified in multiple confirmation hearings that he did not know Republican Senate staffers had hacked and stolen Democratic emails to help the Bush White House get a leg up on the opposition to judicial fights and play no role in the scandal. I have to tell you,

perusing the Kavanaugh emails today, it was like a punch in the face about all the things that made Bush terrible. The phrase unitary executive appeared in one of Kavanaugh's emails, and I was all of a sudden, it was 2003, I'm, you know, days.

But, so. Today, Patrick Leahy showed that Kavanaugh was the recipient of a number of obviously stolen Democratic materials, some of which were purported to be from a, quote, mole, in an email marked, quote, spying, and was told to handle the stolen documents with utmost secrecy.

You can debate some of these other questions, but to me, it is pretty fucking glaring that around this specific issue, I think he lied around a bunch of this, but this, I think it's pretty hard to deny. Emily, what do you think? It's just too easy, though. I mean, you'd have to think that there's some code word for spying,

or you could just call it spaghetti. I don't know if there are any like Vanderpump rules fans in this, in this audience, but like that's a really good useful code word for basically anything you're not supposed to be doing or pasta rather. It's pasta. I'm sorry. It's not about the pasta. It's not about the pasta.

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm just saying that like spying in the subject line just feels like it's throwing us off the scent. I don't know. Yeah, it is. I don't know. I've worked at the White House. You get a little sloppy because you're emailing all day.

It's a job. You get a little angry. You get a little heated. You write something you shouldn't. But you definitely don't put subject lines spying. Here are the documents we stole from the Democrats. Don't tell anybody. It's a public record. It's going to be in a fucking

library. I mean, I know for me, I get a lot of anxiety about writing emails and sometimes I try to write a clever headline just to grab somebody's attention. But, you know, around five o'clock, when it's kind of the end of the day, and you're kind of running out of fumes, like, you kind of threw

cleverness out the window. You're just like, what's this email about? Like, spine. Okay, fine, whatever. I can go home now. Kara, there was, I think you could put the news, I think, that came out today, two big chunks of it. One was around these questions of whether or not Kavanaugh is honest. The other is around emails he wrote related to Roe and around racial profiling in security and policing.

What did you make of these two fronts? Susan Collins said that basically she wasn't convinced by what he said about Roe. What did you make of the revelations today? I think he hates women and he's racist. I think that's all I gleaned from those emails. Okay. Well, that was to the point. There's not that much to think of.

I think for women and people of color, there's not that much to think about in all this. I don't peruse that much of this news because I know the bottom line. Doesn't take much, which is maybe a surprise to all of them who think that they're couching all of these thoughts and things. It's like, nope, it's pretty easy to suss out. A lot easier than you might think it is. Pretty easy to suss out. A lot easier than you might think it is. Josh, so we did see Susan Collins, I think, talk her way out of caring about the Roe email where he has claimed it's settled law in his conversations with her.

In this email, he tried to take out the claim that it was settled law. I think it's interesting and revealing, but a little squishy. Well, what he took out, and this is a legalistic parsing, but then this is a judicial judicial nomination hearing what he took out was a claim that all legal scholars believe that it has settled law and so the line has been well that's not true there are legal scholars who disagree with that and i think it's something for susan collins to fall back on and say well this was not a claim about his own view or the administration's view was a claim about the views of all legal scholars but i think you know stepping back what you're saying there's not a lot to suss out is absolutely right in the sense that, like, he's a conservative judicial nominee, and you have a Republican majority in the Senate,

and what they want is a conservative judge on the court, and Democrats do not want a conservative judge on the court. And that's all anybody cares about here. And then you have this ridiculous process where you go and you pretend that we care about what's in some specific email or all of these things when really it's about the way he's going to rule on the court. And the whole process, which is fundamentally a political process that Republicans will win because they have a majority in the Senate, then we pretend it's a conversation about all of these other things when it's really fundamentally about how he's going to vote on the court. Right. And a lot of this is a dance in that Democrats are trying to raise concerns in order to make it unpalatable to support him, not teach us something about him. Right. But the weird thing then is that those concerns are about all these ancillary issues. And in a lot of cases, they're also raising concerns about how we'll vote. But it's like the concerns about that we haven't seen enough of his emails, we're not really going to fundamentally

learn anything from seeing more of the emails. The concern is how he's going to vote. Right. Well, that raises the question. So what do you think at this point it would take to get Collins and Murkowski to, at the very least, express doubts about voting for Kavanaugh? You'd need some sort of significant misconduct, I think. Yeah, you'd need a revelation, you'd need new information. Yeah. Yeah, I think. Yeah, you'd need a revelation, new information. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's right. Was that a quiz? What? Was that a quiz? No, it was a... Sure, yeah. Yeah, it was a quiz. It was a quiz, and the answer, he got it right.

Emily, I found myself, as I'm watching the hearing, to Josh's point, because a lot of this is theater, I find myself, even just in paying attention, finding it difficult to tell the difference between what's important and what's not because you have one group of people whose job it is to say this doesn't matter and another group of people whose job it is to say this matters totally. Do you find that in watching the hearings? say, this matters totally. Do you find that in watching the hearings?

And do you think that it's hard for people watching this unfold, make sense of what's really going on? It's like trying to solve a mystery that we already know who killed who. There's not, it is a lot of kind of just play acting this or going through the steps. And I think that for the small portion of people watching who are undecided on how they feel about the major issues and ways that he's going to vote barring some kind of major revelation about misconduct or something like that I don't think anybody's looking to be surprised by anything that's going on here and and then in the meantime there's all these opportunities for people to have their hero moment. So I don't know. Yeah.

Spartacus is everywhere you look. Too many Spartacuses. Spartakai. Spartakai? It is me. I am Spartacus, the one running for president. All right. Now, they're doing well in the hearing.

I'll make fun of Cory Booker another day. Let him have this one. All right, when we come back, OK Stop. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Make fun of him now. I mean, hey, man, dial it down 15 fucking percent. It's not dinner theater.

You don't have to make it big enough so the people at the buffet can hear you. Sir, I speak now in defiance of the rules of the Senate. For I believe that we must learn the truth about Kavanaugh, and if I should perish for having done so, I gladly lay my body down

on the dais. For in this email, he makes several Problematic comments Steeped In legalese So that Their import is buried

And ultimately Not that effective This makes me realize That was good Now maybe we have to leave it in. And we're back! Now it's time for OK Stop. We'll roll a clip, and the panel can say OK Stop at any point to comment.

Earlier this week, Nike released an ad featuring Colin Kaepernick and the phrase, believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything. The rich trolls over at Fox and Friends, what do you think they thought about it? Let's watch. Nike lost some money initially. Okay, stop. There is a stern-looking man

in a pinstripe suit, an enormous tie and I just immediately can't trust him so I love that he's about to sleep. So here's what I think happened. There were two lines into Fox. One was for auditions to play Guy Masterson.

Sky Masterson in Guys and Dolls. The other was to be racist on Fox News. And at some point, this guy got on the right line. They roll out a 60-second ad. They have LeBron James in it. They have Serena Williams in it and other great players. They talk about dreaming to be being the best.

Does Colin Kaepernick belong in that category? No, I absolutely do not think so. In fact, Nike should rename their ad for, you know, sex. Wait, stop. He's not, you described him, yeah, thank you. You described him earlier as stern, but is he not like holding back laughter? Oh, yeah, no, actually, I was wrong about that. As soon as he opened his mouth, he sounds like he's...

Like he is on the brink of laughter for some reason? What are they feeding them in the green room? Also, who is this? Yeah, who is this man? They don't have room for his name anywhere. He actually does not have a name. I think it's exciting. It tells you just how hard this fight is for them

because you know that this is not the first person they call this marble-mouthed weirdo. I don't know who it is, but we're going to find out. I think he has the enormous tie because his neck is as wide as his head and he needs it in order to create a sense of proportion. Is he an athlete? Do you know who he is?

You seem like you look like you do. Anybody know who this person is? Nobody knows who he is. Any? He's Guy Masterson. Okay. Everything, even if it means our stock price, frankly. I think they've swung and missed on this one because I think they've Okay, stop!

It says he is a former basketball player. His name is Brock Gillespie, which sounds made up. Does it count if you play at the YMCA or the LA Fitness? It doesn't say what country. Is that what they mean? They don't say what country. They don't even say professional or amateur.

They just say any of us could be a former basketball player. I mean, this guy is 100% teaching health classes at a high school somewhere. It says pro. Okay. Well, still, I don't know. They've gone about this the same way I think the folks running the Hillary Clinton campaign did. They just misassessed middle America. And this is, again, the elites trying to make up for something that, you know, frankly, Nike has had some lawsuits

in recent history. Okay, stop. That phrase is amazing. Frankly, Nike has had some lawsuits in recent history. Yeah. He didn't want to bring it up, but he must be frank. Is he talking about sweatshops? No, he's not.

He's not at all. What is he referring to? I would like to say, that I found to be the funniest thing about this when people were like, Nike's never done anything this terrible. They had children making sneakers in like caves. They've done worse things than this, guys.

Which is also why I'm hesitant to be like, Nike is now the brand of the resistance. Now you get the fuck off this stage. You get the hell off of here. Look what I got. I put these on. These are Nike shoes. Because you know why?

I love my country. I really thought about wearing some Nike today. I almost wore a bootleg Nike shirt that I got in Japan because I felt like that was the right statement to send. That's as close as I was going to get to repping the brand. You know, they're trying to swing it back in their favor, but this, like I said, this is not the way to go about it. I mean, and frankly, if they want to make an ad about sacrificing,

why don't they go all the way? If this is Nike, put Jesus on there. This is a situation. Let's stop. Can you imagine that campaign? So, I think it's worth unpacking that. Frankly. I also like that in the midst of this interview in which he's supposed to be attacking Colin Kaepernick,

he's like, Colin Kaepernick, he's only 10% of the way to Jesus. Like, think about the meaning of it. It's like, go all the way with it. Someone who's even better at sacrificing for a worthy and noble endeavor. Jesus. Please God, I hope that we get a Nike commercial. With Jesus Christ strolling out of that cave. Yeah.

In some fresh-ass Air Force Ones. Yeah. Surprise the haters. Yeah. Just do it. Middle fingers up. Just ready to go. Just do it.

Yeah. Yeah. Uh, sometimes you have to sacrifice your only son. Just do it. This, this just totally out there for Nike. And frankly, for myself, I've lived in 14 countries. Okay, stop. He does not play basketball in America. there for Nike and frankly for myself I've lived in 14 countries okay stop yeah he does not play basketball in America

he is one of the best Lithuanian basketball players around continents and I can tell you if Colin Kaepernick thinks the United States is a bad place and a very discriminatory nation to live in then then I suggest he get a passport and travel around the globe. And I think he'd have a... Okay, stop. This is very rude to the 14 countries that hosted him to play professional basketball.

They're way more racist. Yeah, like look at these shitholes where I was sent to play basketball. Also, I know none of us in here know who this guy is, but there is a bar somewhere in Lithuania where they're all like, it's Brock Gillespie. Oh, no.

There's like five people with Brock Gillespie jerseys. They'd be like, I didn't know he was so racist. I just love the way he plays the game. Past appreciation for what we stand for here in this country. That was a ride. That was great. There was like an arc there. We solved the mystery at the end.

Nice. All right. Well, do we need to say all the obvious reasons? I don't think so. Colin Kaepernick's good. Nike is good. Is that it? Good-ish.

All right. Colin Kaepernick's good. Nike's better than they could be. There we go. Colin Kaepernick is good. Nike's better than they could be. There we go. Colin Kaepernick is good. Don't put too much stock one way or another into the interests of giant multinational corporations that are making decisions based on what's in the interest of their executives and shareholders. Take pride in the fact that we've created enough pressure and a cosmopolitan elite that makes it clear to the executives and employees of Nike that it is better to be on the right side of history. And then ask yourself, how is it possible that we've, as a nation, created a system in which we can create pressure that makes giant self-interested corporations behave responsibly while politicians have seen a total erosion in any pain or any price to be paid for any form of malfeasance or shamelessness?

That's my question. I don't know. Nike for president, right? What if corporations were actually better than people this entire time? Twist. The government you would have if politicians cared about the same demographics as consumer product companies would be a much better and different government because it's basically completely backwards. You have, you know, they mostly care about younger consumers

because they're more, especially an athletic apparel company. That's why, you know, TV ratings are reported as 25 to 54, 18 to 49. Consumer trends start in big cities and move out. This is what's driving conservatives crazy about the sort of hegemony that liberals have over increasing aspects of culture, including a lot of the corporate sector, at least in this sort of branding stuff. It's because the customers that they're marketing to are disproportionately liberal. And those liberal customers increasingly care about exactly this sort of signaling. And you get this, I was on MSNBC a few months ago,

when Delta was having its spat with the NRA. And remember, the legislature took away some tax break on jet fuel at the Atlanta airport and there was some liberal pundit on there basically saying if Delta wants their tax break you give them their tax break and it's like since when did that become a liberal agenda item yeah this is part of the problem of trying to

fight this war through brands you know I think in some ways it is a dystopian future of corporations with rainbow flags during Pride Month underpaying their employees. Isn't that the present? I'm saying that's the dystopia we live in. That is right now.

It is happy Pride, no benefits. I will say I am happy, not to give Nike too much credit but I'm really happy that this commercial is going to air at the beginning

of like the NFL season because fuck the NFL so and also I want to make a non-cynical point about it because sincerely

I do think it's important when a company like Nike which is a symbol of America America is you know America is a lot of things but one of it is the culture we create. And Nike is a big part of the

culture we create. And it is important that the companies that symbolize America, that represent America, that we interact with every single day are on the right side of this issue. We can pretend it's not important, but one lesson of Trump is we need to look around and say, what are the things that speak for America and what are they saying? And Nike does speak for us, like it or not, and I think it's a really good thing that they looked at this issue

and they didn't want to be on the wrong side of it and regret having missed their chance to do the right thing. So I actually do think it's a really good thing. That's all. All right. When we come back, we're going to play a game about the Bob Woodward book.

Don't go anywhere. This is Love It or Leave It, and there's more on the way. And we're back. This week has been stupid. We've got people seeing white power signs everywhere. Why don't they have a better sign, by the way? You know what? Fuck them for thinking they can take okay away from us.

I'm saying. I like okay. It's a useful thing, especially when you're doing scuba. Imagine you signal to somebody under the water that your air filters are all good, and they're like, I'm going to drown this racist. But also, the president's own staffers

are writing op-eds saying that he's a moron and Bob Woodward released the 4,000th tell-all book of this administration. But Bob Woodward is not Omarosa. He's not Michael Wolff. He's Bob fucking Woodward. And he came out swinging.

There's a ton of juicy stuff in this book and a ton of people ratting each other out and the shit they say about Donald Trump and each other behind their backs. So we thought we'd play a game called Woodward or Real Housewives. Would someone out there like to play the game? What's your name?

Vinny. Vinny? Hi, Vinny. Where are you from, Vinny? Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. And are you not sure? Yeah, I live here now. You live here now?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. All right. Vinny, I'm going to read quotes from either the book or the real housewives and you will have to tell us whether it comes from woodward about the trump white house or from a character on real housewives great are you ready yes they're gonna come fast and furiously none of you has ever leaked everybody leaks woodward no vicky Real Housewives of Orange County

No, I remember that What the fuck is a sociopath? Like a crazy person? Housewives Yep, Teresa I've never seen a worse defense of me in my life They took your diaper off right there You're like a little baby that needs to be changed

When are you going to be a man? Woodward? Woodward Trump to Giuliani When you put a snake and a rat and a falcon and a rabbit and a shark and a seal in a zoo without any walls, things start to get nasty and bloody. Woodward. Woodward. That's Priebus.

I'm not trying to empower you. I'm trying to destroy you. Housewives. Yep. That's Siggy from The Real Housewives of New Jersey. Costa Rica is in Mexico, so it's south. Housewives. Yeah.

This guy is mentally retarded. He's this dumb southerner. Woodward. Yep, that's on Sessions from Trump. It's a bit of a shame because I was the Ernest Hemingway of 140 characters. Housewives? No, that's Trump on Twitter expanding to 280 characters. You fucking moron.

Hemingway is the Hemingway of 140 characters. He's the pithy one. You could be the Hemingway of writing longer things, but you can't be the Hemingway of 140 characters. You could be the Hemingway of Twitter. You've never read a fucking Hemingway book. Name one book, Trump. Name one Hemingway book. Tell me one thing about The Sun Also Rises.

Tell me one thing about it. What is it about? One thing about it. Say the word bulls to me, Trump. Say bulls. Do you remember that there are bulls in it? You fucking moron. Agreed. He's an idiot. It's pointless to try to convince him of anything. He's gone off the rails pointless to try to convince him of anything

He's gone off the rails We're in crazy town Woodward Yep, that's General Kelly I want cheese ravioli Salad without dressing No tomato That cannoli filling

And a Diet Coke Housewives Yep, that's Kim You should be killing guys You don't need a strategy to kill people Woodward Yep, that is Trump to his generals If that was me I would have taken that resignation letter And shoved it up his ass kill people. Woodward. Yep, that is Trump to his generals. If that was me, I would have

taken that resignation letter and shoved it up his ass six different times. Woodward. Woodward, that's General Kelly. You're both white trash, frankly. Housewives. Yep. I'm alone on Scary Island with no friends. Woodward. No, that's Kelly.

Real Housewives of New York. If you can't be my friend, just please don't be my enemy. Housewives. No, that's Kelly. Real Housewives of New York. If you can't be my friend, just please don't be my enemy. Housewives. Yep, that's Taylor in The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Let me tell you something about my family. We're as thick as thieves and we protect each other till the end. Housewives. Yep, Caroline, New Jersey.

Money can't buy you class. Housewives. Countess Luann. What is this show? Housewives. Royalty? I'm never going to be staff. Woodward. Yep, that is'm never going to be staff. Woodward?

Yep, that is Ivanka to Steve Bannon. Vinny, you did wonderfully. You've won the game. Thank you. And a parachute gift card. Give it up for Vinny. Before we go to the next game, I wanted to talk a minute about this bob woodward book again i feel as though we're over and over again being exposed to the same set of facts in different forms and yet each time it's surprising josh what'd you make of the book well so i first of all i

actually i feel bad for bob woodward in that michael wolf beat him to market uh because how many of these books do you really need but the thing is the way Michael Wolff beat him to market? Because how many of these books do you really need? But the thing is, the way Michael Wolff beat him to market is that Michael Wolff is not really a reporter as such. And so that book was very sloppy. And he was able to like, you know, yeah, plausible enough, throw it in, let's publish it. Whereas like Woodward will have the more accurate yet pretty similar sounding because it's easy to make up plausible stuff about Trump that is very similar to the things that actually happened. So, you know, this is probably the book that people should read. But I think a lot of people will have read Fire and Fury and maybe they read Omarosa's

book and they're like, do I really need another thing that tells me the slightly more accurate version of the thing I already knew? As you say that, I'm like, oh yeah, that's why I'm not going to read it. Kara, what did you think? I feel bad because it's not funny on a global level. But that shit is funny. I know it's not going to change anything. It's not really that helpful. But reading quotes where they're just like, this fucking idiot. You know they just turn the corner and they're like, can you believe how goddamn stupid he is? And I just, I'm going to take it because I feel like we have so little else.

No, I agree. I agree. We're going to allow ourselves to appreciate it because what else are we going to do? Exactly. Emily, one other piece of this is there is a lot of news in the book. Someone pointed out that there is just a side in this book about after Trump winning Mark Meadows in the House saying, let's get Paul Ryan, we can take him out right now. That basically there is a sect of the House, of the Republicans in the House, that really did view Trump as permission. So to Kara's point, this really is about deeper, frightening truths about what's going on inside the White House. What do you think? Well, the way that this is going to reach the general public and people who won't even

read the book is that it'll be taken, like there will be news items that are published around like the bigger revelations in it, right? So the people who are going to read the book are people who are going to enjoy the experience of reading the book. And I don't, I don't know about that, man. I don't know about that man like I just I worry anytime I find myself taking joy in how

fucked up it all is I worry about the entertainment factor even when I find myself getting seduced by it and I kind of tend to be very circumspect about how much I actually intake of that because the more that I feel like I'm watching it

like a TV show I know that everybody else like I'm watching it like a TV show, I know that everybody else is watching it way more like a TV show. I mean, I don't know. Kara, what do you think? I mean, this book comes out, it doesn't come out, nothing is different.

No. So I think that's where it's like it literally does not matter at all. I hear what you're saying because the thing is I know that I can find it funny and also very much like sit in the reality of what is happening. I know that I can do that and I can do both of those is I know that I can find it funny and also very much like sit in the reality

of what is happening I know that I can do that and I can do both of those because I know myself and I know what I'm thinking but you know if someone is just taking it as entertainment value which probably a lot of people are like that is certainly a problem but I only know how how I'm taking it yeah I mean there is some news in here that fundamentally matters and we should care about I mean there's the episode that I think you read a quote about with basically the president ordering Jim Mattis to just, you know, get Assad killed and like, just go kill him. You know, you don't need to. And then the according to the book, then Mattis gets off the phone and says to the assembled, you know, military officers in the room, well, we're not going to do any of that.

And like under normal circumstances circumstances it would be alarming if military generals are ignoring what the president is telling them to do that's not how the constitution says it's supposed to work and in this instance it is reassuring sort of um but that's important information if and you know the mattis has denied uh well actually no i don't think mattis is specifically denied that he's denied insulting the president. They're denying the specific word choices around insulting the president while not denying the facts of the book. Right. And so, like, in a normal world, you'd think the more important question would be,

is the military disobeying the orders of the commander in chief rather than did the secretary of defense call the president a moron or whatever? And yet, because it's Trump and it's all about, you know, his own personal image and ego, the important thing is whether he was called a moron right well which is weird it's a revelation that we're depending on a certain level of dysfunction to like keep a greater level of dysfunction from occurring which i feel like in the long run given that we may or may not have another president after this in this country, the system feels like it's been permanently broken just process-wise because of this sort of thing. Yeah. I mean, look, we are not the first country to have – this is our version of a mad king.

And these are the courtiers around a mad king running shit while maintaining their own power. This is an organization with a weak figurehead and a bunch of feckless, morally depraved, and ambitious people

and a few people who are making bad choices while sincerely believing it's their job to stop bad things and i think it's worth noting that too are effectively allowing there to be two governments at once the one that emanates from trump's utterances which should carry the force of the administration because all the power in the executive branch flows from him and a more functional administration run by people who were not elected and who would rather continue this status quo despite the inherent small risk of total calamity than do the hard thing of coming together as a group and finding a way to stop it.

Right? I mean, Josh, what do you think? Well, maybe they're stopping it too, right? I mean, that's the Jim Mattis proposition, right? Like, there's a lot of people that I think you can ask about, you know, ought they to resign morally? But, like, Jim Mattis is the person I wake up in the morning and am pleased that he is still in the administration because I worry, you know, I worry about what's in the tail. I worry about a nuclear exchange with North Korea or somebody else. And I think that, you know, having people in there who prevent that is worth a great deal and is worth putting up with a lot of stuff that's farther out in the tail that's not as bad as, you know, everybody dying.

Right. And I think, too, one of the things we see. Yes. One of the one of the piece of this that's simply an unknown, which I think is why it's a debate, is what we don't know is how effective would it be if the cabinet came together as a group and said, we are invoking the 25th Amendment. We believe Trump must be removed. And they sent it to Congress. I think it's, we don't know. How quickly are they going to, I mean, because literally if the president gets wind that they're doing that, he can just fire them all.

Well. I mean, the usual 25th Amendment case involves like a president who's in a coma or something. I realize that's not the only thing it can be used for. Yeah. But like, you know, literally they have to sneak up on him. Well, they're stealing papers from his desk that he doesn't even be used for. Yeah. But like, you know, literally, they have to sneak up on him. Well, they're stealing papers from his desk

that he doesn't even notice are gone. Yeah. I feel they might be able to get a secret meeting together. Yeah. I mean, look,

it's, well, so I actually was gaming this out one day when I didn't want to think about the reality of our existence. And I do believe that if you coordinate with Congress, you can get it done in 15 minutes.

Because if you have, because the cabinet invokes and then you need two votes, one of the House, one of the Senate. What if like Linda McMahon is loyal to the president and you call her and you're like, we're coming, we're going to have the 25th amendment meeting. And she calls the president and goes, no, fire them all. They're coming for you. Like, look again, you call her and you're like we're coming we're gonna have the 25th amendment meeting and she calls the president goes no fire them all they're coming for you like look again first of all you're talking about an

awesome episode have you seen succession that literally happened in succession all right this is stupid okay when we come back

we're gonna play a game about socialism hey don't go anywhere there's more of love it or leave it coming up When we come back, we're going to play a game about socialism. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. And we're back. Socialism. Like Nike's female superheroes and confronting the dangerous myths told about the Civil War for a century,

it's very on trend right now and making some on the right antsy. That was too complicated. We've seen democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez energize the democratic base. We've seen a lot of fear-mongering around Medicare for All and the idea of social democracy more generally. And often you hear from conservatives, do you want America to be Venezuela? Look at Venezuela.

Venezuela is in crisis, but I think it's bullshit to try and scare Americans away from a state that provides for the social welfare of its people by suggesting that all roads lead to Caracas. They don't, because some roads lead to Oslo. And so in this game, we will be presenting facts about a country, and you will have to guess whether the given fact is about the United States, Venezuela, or Norway. Would someone out there like to play the game? Hello. Hi, what's your name?

I'm Annie. Annie, how are you? Good, good. I'm so excited to be here. And where are you from? I live here now, but I'm from Pennsylvania as well, actually. It's a coup. Cool, cool, cool.

I'm going to present you with a fact. It will be your job to decide whether it is the U.S., Venezuela, or Norway. Are you ready? I'm so ready.

Let's go. In 2009, oil made up 80% of this country's export revenue. Venezuela. Correct. In 2014, this country budgeted

$5 million for opposition activities and propaganda against Venezuela's democratically elected government. U.S. Yes. Prescription drug prices in this country

have increased dramatically in just the last few years. U.S. Yes. Prescription drug prices in this country have increased dramatically in just the last few years. U.S. Venezuela. This country's maternal mortality rate is six times higher than Norway's.

Venezuela. United States. In recent years, this country's government has steadily decreased its spending on public health care. U.S.

Venezuela. Among comparable developed nations, this country has the highest rate of deaths from preventable diseases or complications. U.S.

Correct. In this country, a citizen's annual out-of-pocket payment for health care is capped at $460. Norway. Correct. This country is ranked 31st in terms of life expectancy. U.S. Correct. This country's health care outcomes are the third best in the world. Norway. Correct. In this country, undocumented children have the same access to health care as citizens. Norway. Correct. The percentage of this country's population that does not have health insurance is higher than every other high-income country? U.S. Correct.

As a percentage of GDP, this country's health care expenditure is roughly half that of the U.S. Norway. Correct. The citizens of this country think arepas are delicious. I could go any way. Venezuela, but also like U.S.

Correct. All the countries. I mean, arepas are delicious. People in Norway like arepas too. Annie, you've won the game, sort of. And a parachute gift card. We come back. The rant wheel.

Don't go anywhere. This is Love It or Leave It, and there's more on the way. And we're back. Now for the rant wheel. Here's how it works. We spin the wheel, we rant on whatever topic it lands upon. This week on the wheel we have Bob Woodward, we have dipping chicken fingers in Diet Coke, we have the white power hand signal Twitter sleuths,

mosquitoes in LA, a sex offender in the movie The Predator, women directors, conservative hypocrisy on the First Amendment, and a quarantined plane. Let's spin the wheel. It has landed on white power hand signal Twitter sleuths. So during the first day of the Kavanaugh hearings, there was a woman sitting behind Brett, soccer dad Kavanaugh, who at one point scratched her arm and then rested her hand on her arm

in a way that suggested, that hinted at an okay sign. So, you know, the okay sign. I can't make it anymore. I'll be fucking banished from the internet. But all of these people just immediately jumped to the conclusion that she was flashing a white power sign during the hearing without knowing who she was, knowing anything about her, knowing how she got there. It was so fucking stupid. And in general, I am very sick of Twitter sleuths combing through the fucking photos in the news with the red string and the theories.

What a dumb waste of fucking time. And when they were exposed because they were like, no. First of all, she's, I believe, half Jewish, half Mexican, and not somebody who did that or would do that. There were all these people who were like, yeah, but she could have done it. She's complicit. No apology.

There are a lot of people out there making white power signs and who feel liberated and free to do it now. There are a lot of people out there making white power signs and who feel liberated and free to do it now. There are a lot of people who are normalizing white nationalist sentiment. They do have inroads in the White House. There are people, Stephen Miller and his acolytes. There was just a person at DHS who was revealed to be someone who goes to dinners where they refer to being Jewish free.

There have been people at the Charlotte protest who turned out to be members of the military and members of the government. It is a serious accusation and an important accusation. It becomes more important to be right because it's happening, not less important. The fact that these people who now feel as though they are safe and now

have quarter in the government means you should be fucking careful when you make the accusation because it needs to count that that was what i took away from that you know what i like about uh white supremacy uh is how it like immediately undermines itself like when donald trump calls like lebron james dumb like he thinks he's a better human than LeBron James. And also with the sign is how easily it's confused for something else. When someone throws up a West Side, you know what they mean.

When they throw up H-Town, you know they're talking about Houston. The thing they came up with, nobody knows what the fuck that is. That's so confusing. Also, it means two different things in other languages. Right, they picked a thing that already is a thing. I feel like they feel a little bit left out about having a scavenger hunt, like a QAnon type

scavenger hunt to go on. And I understand that. I think it's fun to have a project. I always try to have little projects going on. I'm sympathetic. But yeah, that did not go the way they wanted it to. I mean, but the point with the OK sign,

with the alt-right figures who were doing it originally, was essentially to cause exactly this sort of thing, which because it also means something else, they could do it and then people would be like, and people would say, that's why power sign. They'd be like, don't be ridiculous. was essentially to cause exactly this sort of thing, which because it also means something else, they could do it, and then people would be like, and people would say, that's a white power sign, and they'd be like, don't be ridiculous, that's just an okay sign.

And the thing is that then these Twitter sleuths have exactly played into what they were looking for, that now because Mike Cernovich and a couple of other people did this once behind the White House podium, then you have people looking on Twitter for anyone who puts their hands like this, and it does indeed make these liberals look crazy in exactly the way that they were trying to get inside people's heads to begin with. It's like when everyone used to wear white capes and hoes, so they blended in.

I'm just going to a party in the hand tits. It's not Labor Day yet. I mean, what else am I supposed to wear? All right, let's spin it again. It has landed on a sex offender in The Predator. Why we did not grab the low-hanging fruit of Predator in The Predator, I don't know. I regret it. But, Cara, this was your suggestion.

So, as far as I can tell, there's a movie coming out called The Predator, which is about a mean alien with dreadlocks. That's all I can tell that it's about. But the director is a man named Shane Black, I believe. And so basically the story broke where he had cast his buddy

in the movie and they find out he's a registered sex offender who spent six fucking months in jail for soliciting a 14 year old on the goddamn internet and You know who figured it out Olivia Munn who was in the movie with him women again having to do all the goddamn work and What I love is that originally this guy was in the movie and he the director released a statement That was like, you know, he explained it to me it was a misunderstanding um and then now he's like I was misled and let me tell you something if one of my friends goes to jail for six months for soliciting a 14 year old I have questions from the jump from the very beginning he was like I've now

read the affidavit I've seen that that this was, he really did do it. Why didn't you ask that from the very beginning? You just believed what he said when he pled guilty. And really, I just feel like these fucking dudes, you have shitty friends. You know they're shitty. You know they're awful. You know they're rapists.

You know they're fucking predators. Stop hiring them. Stop being their friends. Stop after the fact saying, oh yeah, that was weird. That was, oh yeah, he was kind of creepy. That girl did say he raped her, but I mean, he's my friend.

This happens all the time. Fucking stop it. You know they're bad people. You know they're awful and you're part of the fucking problem when you don't expunge them from your fucking life. Be done with it. You know they're bad people. You know they're awful. And you're part of the fucking problem when you don't expunge them from your fucking life. Be done with it. Let's spin it again.

Let's spin it again. It has landed on women directors and Emily is here to come out against. Too emotional. No, okay, so I was a little bit nervous about doing this show because I have been in Italy the last week at the Venice Film Festival

and if you ever want to get completely protected from the news and not have any of it enter your consciousness, go to a film festival in Italy. It's just like you're on another planet entirely. But some of the problems still exist there that exist here. And I think Venice had one film out of 21

in its competition that was directed by a woman this year. Just to give you some comparison, Toronto just started today, or no, yesterday. And I think they're at 33% in their competition. Again, not great, not parody, but they're trying. And there's a group called the 50-50 by 2020 group that is trying to push for parody by the year 2020 in all the major international film festivals.

They campaigned at Canneses and there was a big thing you might have seen where Cate Blanchett and a bunch of people got up on some steps and they got them to sign for this agreement for transparency and trying to get more women in the festival. But Alberto Barbera who's the director, I'm sorry I'm getting so inside baseball but this is where I've been for the past week.

Alberto Barbera is the director of the Venice Film Festival. Hesitantly agreed to some of this protocol but also made the statement that he would never agree to a quota. He would quit his job before he agreed to a quota which I just find to be the most precious and melodramatic thing to say. You have one of the most influential jobs in film.

Like, that's, like, a nice job, to be the director of the Venice Film Festival. And the mere idea of a quota, not even, like, saying what the quota would be, you would quit your job over it. At every festival, the North American ones are doing better on the whole. But a lot of the European ones consistently say

it's quality that they're judging first as if like a group of men has an idea of quality that is inherently objective and infallible and you hear this over and over and over again and it's it's insane so congratulations to Jennifer Kent who directed the Babadook and and is the one woman with a film in the competition there. I heard that somebody at her premiere

when she was showing up and they clapped for her, some journalist from I think the UK or something yelled whore at her. So that's the kind of treatment that you're getting at these festivals, even if you're fucking Jennifer Kent, who directed one of the most popular horror movies in the last four years.

That seems... Yeah. I wasn't there for it. I don't like that. Wrong. Very much beyond the pale, in a way that does not make sense. There was also,

this is another hot moment at Venice. This did happen while I was there. A guy on the red carpet for Suspiria, some Italian troll that luckily we don't have to think about at all, showed up on the red carpet with Suspiria some like Italian troll that luckily we don't have to think about at all showed up on the red carpet with a shirt that said Harvey Weinstein is innocent with like his fucking little

troll Berlusconi pals like on his side like giggling and pointing to the shirt people are wilding out in Italy that is what I've learned I will add only this Cate Blanchett has some nerve standing up there when she loves Woody Allen and has shown no remorse and no interest

in adjusting her behavior. End of thought. She just didn't know about any of that stuff. She doesn't ask about people's personal lives. Yeah, Kara. It's nice. She should ask her friends, too. She should ask her friends.

Everyone should get better friends, I think, in general. Also, like a lot of famous people, I'm like, you should just have better friends. You'd avoid a lot of bullshit. Also, if you have shitty friends, I think we all have a couple shitty friends. Maybe not shitty friends who molest people, hopefully. But if you do have shitty friends of any sort, don't hire them on your project. That feels avoidable. You know, I think also if you have a friend who's maybe a middle class white guy

who was convicted of a felony, he's guilty. They don't send them away on bullshit. He did it. He definitely did it. maybe like a middle class white guy who was convicted of a felony, he's guilty. They don't send them away on bullshit. He did it. He definitely did it. Didn't get railroaded, he did it. Pretty much it. Yeah, the jinx did it.

Yeah. Do another. It has landed on conservative hypocrisy around social media and the First Amendment. Josh, what are your thoughts? Yeah, so you mentioned earlier Alex Jones screaming at or near Marco Rubio in the Capitol this week,

you had other right wing media figures like Laura Loomer there to beg the government to protect them from private companies that they think are not being nice to them when they try to post on their websites. And it used to be that conservatives understood that you don't really want the government too involved in these sorts of things because when the government starts telling people what kind of content they have to post it might in the future

make decisions you don't like it might even be run by people who disagree with you on things it used to be 30 years ago there was the thing called the fairness doctrine that required broadcasters if they broadcast something that had an opinion on one side they had to give equal time to the other side made it a lot harder to do political programming and it used to be the conservatives were very opposed to this because this was bad for political talk radio, which is a key outlet for them. And they understood that you want a free market in these sorts of things for a number of reasons. And yet now it's not just these fringe figures, but then you have the Trump administration, you have Jeff Sessions calling a meeting of state attorneys general to find ways to

hold social media sites accountable for the way that they are mistreating conservatives. This is not a problem for the government to fix. This is something, you know, if the market is not being nice to you, kind of tough shit, you have no constitutional right to post on Facebook. Twitter doesn't have to allow you to have an account. These things are not public utilities. And it used to be a conservative position to say that these things were not public utilities. But now, because they've completely abandoned the pretense of the idea that they are a free market party, they are Trump's party, and Trump likes businesses that are nice to him and doesn't like businesses that are mean to him, it sort of makes sense to all these people that you would have the government come in and tell these sites what to do. And it's ridiculous, and it's definitely not conservative.

Yeah, certainly. And I also... Oh, you guys want to talk about regulating big tech? Let's talk about their monopolistic practices. No? You don't want to talk about that? No, you don't want to talk about that? You want a regulation that just has to say Alex Jones is allowed? That's it? Just one line? That's what you're worried about? That's what's keeping you up at night?

Spin it again. It has landed on dipping chicken fingers in Diet Coke. This is a good place to leave it. I don't know if you saw this, but there was a video circulating of a lovely woman at some sort of a sporting event. I believe she was surrounded by children, and she was eating chicken fingers, and she used her own Diet Coke as like a dipping sauce

and ate them. You know what? There was a guy named Steve Jobs. And he looked at the world and he said, think different. And then this woman came along. She is the Steve Jobs

of dipping chicken into artificially sweetened beverages. I think it is innovative. I think it is basically sugar-free honey. It's a great idea. And also, to put this in larger context, in general, I think we're all a bit too persnickety about mixing foods.

A lot of people are like, these two foods don't go well together. I actually, to be honest, have very rarely come across two foods that don't go well together. I actually, to be honest, have very rarely come across two foods that don't go well together. I think it's all bullshit. I think it's all bullshit. I think that when you eat a bite of a sandwich

and take a bite of dessert, it's good. It's always good. You never start vomiting if you accidentally combine two different parts of your plate incorrectly. When everyone's always like, oh, this pairs well with a red wine or a white wine, I'm like, what are you fucking talking about? I don't get it.

I don't get pairing. I don't get thinking it's gross to dip your food in soda. I think everything goes well together. And I think this woman should be applauded for her innovation. Why is ketchup? Ketchup makes sense, but Diet Coke doesn't make sense.

It's a fucking bunch of sheep you are. Oh, you dip your food into what big food tells you to dip it into. You see these studies? The oats are filled with pesticides. You can't trust any of it. I saw that on the board and I thought that was something

from the Woodward book. One last point about this. I have come to realize that I have Diet Coke with virtually every bit of food I consume all day. Diet Coke is incredibly sweet. It is incredibly sweet food. And so really what I am doing is convert... And I, you know, I eat something, and then I take a sip of soda. I eat something, I take a sip of soda.

So what am I doing? I'm dipping every single thing I eat all day, every day, in Diet Coke. Diet Coke basically turns every food into dessert. I have been eating dessert for every bite of every food I have eaten eating dessert for every bite of every food I have eaten for basically the last 25 years of my

life ever since Fran Lovett switched the Lovett household from regular Coca-Cola to Diet Coca-Cola in 1994 and we all lost 10 pounds. Let's end on a high note just want to note that India's Supreme Court struck down a colonial era law

that criminalized consensual gay sex striking a major blow against more than 150 years of anti-LGBT discrimination in the country the law was instituted during British colonial rule it criminalized sex that was against the order of nature and contributed to a culture of repression and discrimination. And it is a

reminder, too, that there's a lot of work to do here. But being a gay rights activist in India is hard and grueling and the progress takes forever and you can spend a very long time and see very little. And so this is a really good thing,

a really important step. And as much as we've made progress here, it's a reminder too that if we had had a democratic administration, one of the things that State Department would be advocating for around the world right now would be gay rights and women's rights and reproductive rights.

And we don't have that. And we don't talk about that. But this is really good news, so we're going to leave it there. I want to thank our amazing panel. What a fantastic panel. Emily Yoshida, Tara Brown,

Josh Barrow. Thank you guys for coming out. Come see us next week at the El Rey, and have a great night. Thank you.