Lovett or Leave It - Nothin' But Netflix

Episode Date: December 13, 2025

This week, the nation tunes in to find out who will receive Donald Trump’s rose: Paramount’s David Ellison or Netflix’s Ted Sarandos? Meanwhile, Obamacare subsidies are set to expire, Trump’s poll numbers continue to plummet, and Marjorie Taylor Greene remains... on the level? What the hell? Director Cameron Crowe riffs on the gods of rock and the zoos we’ve bought. Tig Notaro brings the hot lesbian action, and we all look forward to the new year, taking stock of what we’d change, and what we hope will stay the same. For a transcript of this episode, please email [e-mail] and include the name of the podcast.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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We've got a great show for you tonight. This is our last show of the year. We're going out strong. Cameron Crow is here. And I'm almost famous. Ting Nataro is back. And we're going to close out 2025 with what we loved, what we'll leave, and what we learned, and what we simply refused to accept as we head into the undiscovered future. There's so much to not accept.

I made it weird. But first, let's get into it. What a week. After 60 Minutes aired an interview with his ally-turned-nemesis, Marjorie Taylor Green, President Trump attacked the show and its corporate parent writing, My Real Problem,

is that the new ownership of 60 Minutes, Paramount, would allow a show like this to air. They are no better than the old ownership, who just paid me millions of dollars for fake report. about your favorite president, me, since they bought it, and 60 Minutes has actually gotten worse. Added Trump, and bring back Andy Rooney.

That's a good idea. It's not... It's possible. This is the thanks, Paramount Guests, for paying Trump millions of dollars to settle a ridiculous lawsuit installing Barry Weiss's editor-in-chief of CBS News

and green-lighting rush hour four at Trump's personal request. And to be clear, that last one is fine. I think Biden or Kamala would have also demanded a new rush hour movie. So it's a natural thing for the president to do, given all that's going on. Trump's tantrum is poor timing for Paramount, which hopes he'll put his thumb on the scale in their quest to acquire Warner Brothers, and time is of the essence. Trump's thumbs could fall clean off at any moment.

As you know, last Friday, Netflix announced plans to buy Warner Bros. Discovery for $83 billion. To put that number in perspective, it's $83 billion. If finalized, Netflix would acquire the studio and streaming business, while the cable unit would be spun off into a separate company. And for some reason, Netflix CEO Ted Sarandos demanded a fur coat made of the WB's finest animaniacs. Netflix has already been hit with a class action lawsuit seeking to block the deal and a group of anonymous top filmmakers

wrote a letter to Congress warning that the merger would be a disaster for Hollywood and I don't know how many more disasters Hollywood can take we still haven't recovered from the strikes the fires, the arc light closing and all the movie stars getting their eyes done at once showing up fucking different looking younger and surprised

all at once? What the fuck have? Was there a deal? Where'd all the lower blefs go? There's some horrible pile of lower blefts sitting in Beverly Hills somewhere. The anonymous filmmakers said in that open letter that they left the note unsigned, not out of cowardice, but out of fear of retaliation, which signals that perhaps not a lot of prominent writers

were part of the letter. It's impossible to know who the filmmakers are, though one of them did add, I wouldn't fuck Paul Dana with somebody else's feet. And who would say that? Could be anybody. Speaking of not accepting defeat,

Paramount... Yes! You're welcome. Fucking yes. Speaking of defeat, Paramount launched a hostile takeover bid to buy Warner Brothers' going straight to shareholders with an all-cash, $30 per share offer. Pretty exciting stuff.

Will Warner Brothers be sucked up into a giant monopoly in which a half-dozen people decide what a third of us watch every night after dinner, or will it be sucked up into a different giant monopoly? I'm on the edge of my seat in a car that is going into the ocean. And with the future of Hollywood at stake, these titans of industry are engaged in one of the biggest and most consequential ass-kissing contests in human history. But which globe-besriding magnate will attend to the task with greater passion?

Which billionaire will get their mouths deeper, use their lips more assertively upon the presidential crack? Who shall play the most beautiful version of hold to the chief? David Ellison, the head of Paramount and son of billionaire Larry Ellison, made a recent visit to Washington and promised Trump officials that if he bought Warner Brothers, he would overhaul CNN's programming. Ellison allegedly even promised Trump that one of the ends in CNN can stand for any N-word he wants. On Wednesday, Trump confirmed that he likes where Ellison's head is at. I just think that the people that have run CNN, I don't think they should be entrusted with running CNN any longer. So I think any deal should, it should be guaranteed and certain that CNN is part of it or sold separately. this is Anderson Cooper

and he is waiting for someone to adopt him before he is put down and he's one of so many anchors in need of a home meanwhile the financial backers of Paramount's bid include three Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds and the private equity firm led by none other

than Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner it's unnerving how quietly Jared moves through the world these days. He disappears from view, you start to forget about him, and then all of a sudden he comes crawling out of the ceiling at Warner Brothers pitching a movie about a super tall pale guy everybody likes. With its new investors, Paramount is promising

to create all kinds of exciting new films as part of a merger with HBO, like Harry Potter and the now explicitly Jewish bank goblins. Harry Potter and the journalists who had it coming. Barbie, too. Ken was right the whole time. and a brand new cable channel, Riyadh Comedy Central. Bloomberg reported over the weekend that Sarandos went to the White House last month to meet with Trump,

and the two struck up quite a rapport. They bonded over their shared interest in Ted Sarandos, complimenting Trump for several hours in a row. When Trump was asked about the deal on Sunday, he told reporters, well, that's got to go through a process and we'll see what happens. Trump then tried to imitate the Netflix sound. Bing, bong. But it's not just Hollywood that's terrified about its economic future. In response to growing anger about the cost of living, like, bing bong, cost of living,

Trump continues to claim it's all a big scam from the Democrats. They say, oh, he doesn't realize prices. Prices are coming down very substantially. But they have a new word. You know, they always have a hoax. The new word is affordability. He's never sounded more like a cartoon rich guy. They're making up new words, affordability,

bogo, coupon. No one knows what they mean. Trump, of course, hewed closely to the prepared remarks, relentlessly driving his message about how much he is focused on the economy. I didn't say shit all you did. Remember I said that to the same? senators they came in, the Democrats, we had a meeting. And I say, why is it, we only take people

from shithole countries, right? Why can't we have some people from Norway, Sweden, just a few? Let us have a few. Yeah, man, we ask. It's a pass. They have social democracy and universal health care. Norway and Sweden don't want their children to die because of gun violence. They want their children to die the Scandinavian way from a vitamin D deficiency. Or at the hands of an ice witch. And then Trump played the hits because, baby, that's what the people came to see. Transgender for every member in your family.

If they're not feeling well that night, let's just change their sex. And when he is actually forced to discuss the economy, Trump is telling the American people to trust him and not their own experience. I wonder what grade you would give. A plus. A-plus.

Yeah, A-plus, plus, plus, plus, plus. That ought to cheer up your kids when they're unwrapping their Christmas present. One loose cigarette. Also, this week, Trump pledged a $12 billion aid package to help American farmers hurt by Trump's trade wars. A little bit of a sorry you lost your housewarming gift.

But if I've learned anything from trash television, Farmer doesn't want a government check. Farmer wants a wife. Besides, $12 billion is a drop in the bucket when American farms are predicted to lose $34 to $44 billion annually because of Trump's tariffs and trade policies. Said the president of the American Soybean Association on CNN, does anybody need a trillion beans?

No, no, here's his actual response. In terms of the long term, does this fix? things? Well, this is a Band-Aid on an open wound. Band-aid on an open wound. Great idea, said Senate Republicans, proposing Band-Aids for open wounds as a replacement for expiring Obamacare subsidies. Yes, Republicans are resigned to allowing the subsidies to expire at the end of the month. Here's Kansas Senator Roger Marshall on Tuesday. Great, I can share with you that I've had multiple bipartisan conversations and we're not going to be able to get a solution done in the next several weeks. We're two, the, the

The parties are too far apart on this critical, critical issue. The parties are too far apart. What is this, me not leaving the House on New Year's Eve? Then Senate Majority Leader John Thune announced to vote on a Republican alternative to the current Democratic plan to renew the subsidies for three years, setting up dueling votes on Thursday. And sadly, America is the... is the Ned Beatty in this scenario.

Rather than extend the subsidies, the Republican alternative sets up savings accounts into which the government would pay about $1,000 per year for eligible Americans. Of course, $1,000 would not help in an actual medical emergency, like a car accident or cancer diagnosis or eating ice cream while Jewish.

Meanwhile, Mike Johnson told the press that House Republicans will bring a vote next week on their package of health. health care proposals that also does not extend Obamacare subsidies. We have some low-hanging fruit. We have some things that every Republican agrees to. Democrats won't. Remember, they don't actually want to fix this problem. You know health care ideas every Republican can agree to, like wooden spoons to bite down on.

Lobotomies for Mouty Kennedys. Prayer. A free app for tracking nocturnal erections. chromosomal testing for that tall woman you saw at the bank and Q-tips because you know these guys are just getting in there you know these freaks on Wednesday a group of more vulnerable House Republicans led by Pennsylvania Congressman Brian Fitzpatrick

rebelled against the leadership attempting to force a vote on a bill to extend the expiring subsidies and wouldn't you know it Marjorie Taylor Green among the Republicans who signed the discharged petition what happened her declarants the angels show her what the world would look like if you were never bored and it was fucking awesome. On Thursday, the Democratic bill to extend Obamacare failed, virtually guaranteeing that Americans who relied on these subsidies will see their premiums double

or more likely not see it since their eyeballs fell out. And so we end the year as we began it, still somehow working through our pandemic tuna. Just me? Okay. The truth is, this was always going to be a rough year. But for my part, I am ending 2025 more hopeful than when it began. And I'm not even in therapy right now. Probably means I never even needed it to begin with.

Trump came in like a wrecking ball in January, purging the federal government, bullying colleges and law firms, turning the government into a piggy bank for his friends and family, destroying USAID, knocking down the east wing, unleashing a radicalized ice into our communities, releasing the last living Melania Trump into the wild. But underneath all the bluster, the goons behind this bliss understood that time was not on their side. That's because every presidency is overtaken by events. It's because the lack of popular support for any of this shit.

The total lack of a mandate means rising opposition anywhere outside of Trump's control. And it's because you can put a hat that says 2028 on a lame duck, but that bitch still can't swim. And that's what's happened. leaks and resignations and temporary restraining orders and lawsuits. Endless coverage of Trump's escapades to rename bodies of water, murder people in boats, build fancy ballrooms, all while failing to address the rising cost of living and economic uncertainty that made his reelection possible. A new AP poll released just today finds Trump's economic approval has dipped to 31%, the lowest

rating he's received on the economy across either his first or second term. But just wait till rush hour four comes out. going to see a big rush hour for bump. And it is a virtuous circle. Trump's rising on popularity weakens him while inspiring defiance all around him, which only weakens him further. We've seen that in Congress on the Epstein files

and on a bipartisan discharge position to extend Obamacare subsidies and in the collapse of several of his political prosecutions. And in Indiana, we're under withering pressure from Trump and his allies. Republicans in that state just voted down a plan to gerrymonder their congressional maps. And so, yes,

In the absence of genuine oversight from Republicans in Congress, and given appliance Supreme Court, Trump can abuse the pardon power, help his sons make billions, decimate the government, bully corporations, turn the antitrust process into a beauty contest, including a swimsuit competition between David Ellison and Ted Sarandos. He is doing a lot of damage. He's threatening to do a lot more. But democracy is stronger than it looks.

Would-be authoritarians are weaker than they look, and jelly donuts always look better than they taste. Something for all of us to remember as Hanukkah rolls around. Democracy contemplates error and weakness. It is a distributed and redundant system without a single point of failure. So Trump can hack at it and hack at it and hack at it. Install a flunky prosecutor here,

a vaccine denier there, grab some stock in Intel here, threaten a late-night host there. And it will weaken the system and corrupt its components. But a lot of those circuits still find a way to close, which is another way of saying, democracy is still causing Trump to short circuit every single day. That may not always be true, but right now it is. We can't predict what next year will bring

other than a star-studded premiere at rush hour four. But we know what we have to do. We've got to organize, protest, win the midterms, and try to be the right amount of nice to Marjorie Taylor Green because she is our next president. All right, coming up next, Kennedy, ready my trench coat and boombox. Cameron Crow is here.

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Don't worry, we found the perfect one for his walk on. Please welcome to the stage, the amazing Cameron Crow. Good to see you. Thank you for being here. You're on fire. Yeah, I'm on fire. How are you? So nice to me.

talk to you. I've been really enjoying the book. Uncooled. The uncool? The uncool. So are you the uncool? Yes. Of course. That comes across in the text. So there's such a warmth ratingating off of you. I felt it the second I was backstage, because I'll tell you something when I was reading the book. And I felt the same way when I watched Almost Famous, which is I get to the end of this book and you are extremely reticent to explain why any of these fucking can people talk to you. You won't do it. And there's one point where you kind of hint at with David Bowie,

why David Bowie would have bothered talking to you. But it really is very passive that you would just listen, which is I think something a good interview does, not my practice, but different skills, different styles. But I just want to understand, like, all these people didn't accidentally talk to you. What is it? Part of it was listening.

Because I was terrified the first time I did an interview with somebody who was kind of like of great status. I was terrified because he was Chris Christofferson. And he heard my question, which is about being lonely on the road. And he just stopped. And I thought, oh, no, I have to fill the silence or he hates the question. I'm going to get thrown out. But he started to talk. And I realized like by the end of the conversation that like I made him really happy by not talking.

So that made it a great conversation for him. So it kind of like rolled into the way I like to do interviews, which is to listen and be interested, you know? Yeah. Like you're fascinated with what somebody's going to say. And that makes them want to talk. Yeah, I don't think that's it. So I'm glad you brought up Chris Christopherson

because Chris Christopherson was on my mind because I had either never known or forgotten that he was a rose. scholar yeah that chris christopherson was a brood because i think of it is this sort of this gruff yeah kind of a plain spoken terse guy yeah yeah uh salty salty and i certainly would not have put him in my mind as some like intellectual smart guy but i just wouldn't have sorted him into road scholar yeah and you know you were how old were you when you talked to chris christopherson 15 yeah and he started referencing books and Kurt Vonnegut

and the last picture show film that was in great regard then and he just included me in such a way that it made me feel like a peer. Yeah, because you saw something in you. An intelligence in you. I think he promised his fiance, Rita Coolidge, that he was going to do an interview

with the kid with an orange bag. And so he was like going to make good on that. But you're pushing, see, this is what you do throughout the whole fucking book, which is like, oh, shucks, people keep telling me the craziest shit they've ever said to any reporter ever over and over and over like at least a dozen times in the book these like people that never talk to anybody they talk to you and i feel like i can't tell i can't tell if you if if you don't why there's something special about you you're a

special talented person you've had wild success in every single thing you've ever done that's not an accident so yeah yeah what why i don't think think i don't think i come across as somebody who's there to judge i just kind of want to be on receive and let people sit next to me with whatever article or whatever i'm doing you know and this is what it felt like this is what it felt like to be with led zeppelin this is what it felt like to spend 18 months with david bowie like i i genuinely had an agenda no further than including people like me into the fan experience because i love the fan experience and sometimes sometimes you know, I got criticized for it

among, you know, staff members at Rolling Stone and stuff like that. It's like, ah, you just write about the people you like. Well, why not? You know? Right, right. Why not? There is this tension where I think it was the Led Zeppelin, the head of Rolling Stone

a Yon winner. Yeah. It's published, it's a huge hit, and then he kind of undercuts you about it. Right? He's like, yeah. Right. I thought I was going to get called into to see like the editor and publisher of Rolling Stone and thanked for getting Led Zeppelin who hated Rolling Stone to be on the cover and participate in this huge article. But really he was calling me in to say, a little bit of this

is an almost famous. He was calling me in to say like, did you write about what you wanted to write about or did you write about what they wanted you to write about? And I was sitting there like, there's no thank you coming. He was really, he was really saying like, you know, are you going to grow up? Are you going to write something that's like truly going to last? Well, you got to dig a little deeper for that. And he was having a terrible day because his mentor had died that day. So he had no reason really to sit down and talk to me except to try and say, you know, there's a path you can take. You can be a fan, fan, fan, or you can be a fan who writes about something that's coming from a deeper place, which I've tried to do ever since. So you're working on a Joni Mitchell movie

right now. And I was actually, which people are excited about. I'm excited about it. And I was, what I was thinking about is like what makes for a great biopic. Is a great biopic one from the fan perspective or is a great pirate pick one from the winner perspective? I think you can do both. I think you can do both. And the way you do it is to never forget that there are going to be people who love Joni Mitchell, for example, and want to get that feeling that you get from loving Joni or loving her work. So like don't leave the fans behind for a take that's going to not make sense to you as a long-time fan, but also bring in people that don't know who she is and don't whitewash the story. And she's like the queen of not whitewashing. So this is a good

subject to expand the biopic genre with. I'm excited about that. Yeah, no, I was thinking about Joni Mitchell and you talking about how you wanted to feel like a Joni Mitchell song or a Johnny Mitchell album. And I was thinking about both sides now as like as close to a biopic in a song, you know, just as a structure, like this sort of idea of, like, the ways you can look back on your life. And I got, it was very excited about what you were going to do with it. Cool. Well, she wrote that song when she was 22. Wild.

And her husband at the time heard it and said, that's false. That how do you know what your life is going to be like if you're 22? You can't talk about love. You can't talk about life. And what happened, I think, was at 22, she wrote about a life in such a way and such a robust way that Now at 80, she steps in to singing that song, and it has all the resonance that you could have dreamed of as a 22-year-old. She's an amazing story,

and you don't really have to stay in the biopic genre to tell it. What biopics have you liked? I was thinking about that, and it's the ones that you don't think of as biopics often. So true. You don't think of Goodfellows as a biopic. No. But I will now. But you know, but it's based on a sensibly based on a true story.

Totally. To me, it's the movies that the story matters even if the person didn't matter because you're in, you're in, you're in on what the story. Like, Black Klansman was like that to me. Loved Black Klansman. Yeah. And then. Great.

Yeah, I just, I think the ones that are reverent, too, a little too reverent of their subject. Yeah. They sometimes, you have, they make an impression, you will walk out of the theater and you will, they will be moving and touching, but they had this strange way of disappearing. they matter a great deal when Oscars are being doled out and then you never fucking talk about them again.

Like, you know, like, they're except, like Malcolm X's, I think is an exception, but there are others that like just come and go. Like, I don't know, like people, people hidden play on Lincoln. People hidden play on, you know, Ali or, you know, there are movies that have this moment,

but then they're gone. It's true. You know, I think a lot of biopics just ignore the fact that like, there's humor in life. People did tell jokes in the 60s and 70s. There was funny stuff that happened. And a friend of mine also said, like, I like to see a movie where the subject in that

genre, like, where the person has fun. Like, they're not just like aching with a furrowed brow. Like, where is this song going to come from? Oh, my God. It's coming to me. It's like, just have fucking fun, like the Beatles. I am so glad you said that. And I would want to tell you something I was, I wanted, this was on my mind and I wasn't

sure I was going to tell you this, which is I'm going to make a, I have a, a question. request my least favorite thing in any biopic about any artist is it's like fucking ringo's walking down the street and he sees a yellow car and a submarine he goes I've got it you know what I mean you know and like it's just like in a sense it's like a day in our lives and then they fucking write it down it makes you want to die every time yeah yeah don't do that you're not going to do that, right? No, no, no, we're not going to do that. No, are we going to have the the record executive scene where it's like, that song

is eight minutes, it'll never be a hit. We can never put it out at eight minutes. Plus, it's operatic. No, queen, you can't put that song out. Cut to people around the world. Yes. Loving that song. Yes, now I'm so in.

I knew Cameron Crowe. Got it. All right. It's so interesting sitting across from you because I was really like, what, why is fucking the Allman Brothers talking to you so much. You know, some Pipsquee kid from San Diego. Like, who gives a shit about you? But there's something very warm about you.

It's interesting. Thanks. What are these? That's a, but you know, you're like almost like afraid to talk about it in the book. It's something like you don't want to write about yourself. Well, I didn't want to be, you know, the person that's so important to themselves that they are the hero of every scene and everything. I just wanted to be about the people that I got to meet who were good to me.

who opened doors and, you know, said, come and stand here and watch the Almond brothers do whipping posts. Like, stand on stage, six feet away from Gregom. Come on, come on, come on, stand there. You're going to get off. Like, the roadies would help me out and stuff. Because I loved the music. And particularly, like, coming up at that time,

there weren't a lot of outlets to write about music at any length, really. And when there was, it was kind of like somebody that was interrogating the musician. Like, why are you so important? Why do I have to write about you? And I'm like, Deep Purple, I want to know everything about you, you know, and they would be so happy to talk to a real fan. But I definitely asked hard questions. And when it's a real conversation, you'll get your hard questions answered in a great way.

Do you think when you gave, I didn't realize that the story and almost famous about the tapes was based on what really happened, which is you get called up to the hotel room of Greg Alman. and he demands the tapes back. And I'm reading, it's like, it's like, it's like a horror movie where the like, don't run up the stairs, run out the front door. And it's like, what? I mean, we had done an amazing interview three hours earlier. And then the phone rings.

And it's like, get up here right now, bring the tapes and bring ID. But why did you do it? Why did I go up there? Because you're a kid. Like, you're a journalist. Like, he has no right to those tapes. Those belong to you. You had ever, you did everything.

You were nothing unethical about what you were doing. You had no business demanding the tapes. Why, why bring the tapes at all? Why give them? What was going through your head? Well, I felt at the time, it's weird. I did the audio version of the book and got really emotional. It came out of nowhere.

You did. And all of a sudden, I realized this wound was kind of in me. I thought he was going to have me beaten up. He had a bodyguard, a bodyguard that ended up coming up and signing a contract that the tapes would now, belonged to Greg. It was really kind of gothic in a way. So you felt threatened? Yeah, I did get threatened.

And, you know, and he woke up a couple days later and was like, why do I have these tapes in my room? Yeah, but he knew. He felt guilty. He knew. He was guilty. He did something terrible. He threatened a literal child

and stole the tapes, made you sign something fake and took the tapes from you, which was basically a crime. And also something that was, like, I think journalistically very interesting. It's true. And also his brother and another member of the band had died in the previous couple of years.

He had done no interviews. The person from Rolling Stone before me did drugs with the band, didn't write about him doing the drugs, wrote about them doing drugs, and made fun of their accents and all that stuff. So I was the enemy, you know, in my own way. But what's strange is, you know,

people, we talk about biopics, and stuff like there's another there's another area which is like rock autobiographies that are never truthful right um because they're kind of it's like really serious things get turned into like two or bus anecdotes and he did it himself you know in his autobiography and he he claimed that he played a little prank and you know gave me the tapes back immediately and stuff it's like no it didn't go that way right um but you know it's like it's like it's like it's like live in life at a young age and it's trying to find your voice in the world, which is kind of what the point of the book was. I wanted to write about that time when you imprint so heavily,

music, people, experiences. And that becomes you finding where you're going to sit in the world, how you're going to go forward. What's your voice going to be? And that's kind of why I didn't say me, me, me in the book. I kind of wanted to take the ride, let you take the ride with me. And it kind of ends at a point with a scene about my dad that I'm really proud of, which is when my dad realizes I'm not going to become a lawyer like his grandfather. The youngest, you want to be the youngest lawyer. Yeah, I mean, this was the path that was set out for me. But he, we talk about the Allman Brothers. My dad had stayed up all night on New Year's Eve to tape an Almond Brothers concert for me. And I came home from going to a party. And that was his kind of gift to me to say,

I understand that you're going to take the path that you're going to take. And he also had tried to run answering services, you know, which were then being replaced by automatic answering machines. So what he always said is like, you know, nothing will ever beat the sound of the human voice, which he really believed. And that's the end of the book. Because in this love story to music, I wanted to end by saying the humanity, the human voice, which my dad kind of used as a motto, is always true. And when you hear that voice in a song even, like in a way that the song speaks to you in such a personal way that's the stuff you never forget that tattoos your life so there's a a moment in the book where you were with uh don henley and i didn't it was you know you hear these songs and they they are

to me just sort of from growing up the kind of background rock classic rock songs and then you read about the effort and time and precision and focus and dedication to writing just writing over and over and over and over again. And maybe this is a strange place to take it, but what I thought when I saw that is, I bet you hate the internet. The way it

kind of cheapens and kind of we're surrounded by so much writing with so much less care. And I wonder if you feel that. I don't hate the internet, but I really know what you're talking about, which is like fact checkers don't exist anymore. People can just like spew stuff

out. And the thoughtful stuff always lands best, but songwise, I love that you brought up Don Henley. The other person that you have to love for knowing how conversation, well, Tom Petty. Tom Petty would spend so much time on these songs so that they would sound simple and easy like a conversation with a friend. And that's the stuff that I love most of all. It's like familiar and soulful, but not just thrown out, really worked on enough to make it sound simple, but it's not. So you move in part because of Tom Petty into filmmaking, and now we're in this moment where you have to be nostalgic just for going to the theater. There's this big question now, Netflix is potentially going to buy Time Warner.

Ted Serendos said something recently about the movie theater in many ways calling it an outdated. concept. Do you worry about that at the end of the movie theaters and what it means for people to not have that experience? I do. I do. A good movie can break through on any format, I think. But yeah, I mean, going and sitting in a theater and having the experience of a big movie star being somebody you can relate to and can tell a story that kind of moves you in some way. that's the Tom Cruise version of movie making. Like, he's never going to go on a smaller screen because he likes telling those big stories.

So I just think there's a place for all of it, but I never want to lose the big story. And PTA's movie is definitely a big story. Yeah. And you get so exhilarated that you just want to go back to the theater. So I just want them to stick around. Now, before we go, I did want to grill you about something, which is, I hope it's what I think it is.

It's the 2011 Matt Damon. Indromedy we bought a zoo. Good. Let's talk. Let's talk about it, John. Because I'm ready to face this one. You recently said in an interview, yeah, the title doesn't really describe what the movies about. Seems like you lied to that man's face. Because it certainly is about this. This movie is in a pantheon of movies that were, that are considered to be better than their titles. I'm honored to be. In movies that include the Shawshank Redemption. 2014's The Edge of Tomorrow.

And then there are movies that were just bad and had bad titles. Like 2010, Legends of the Guardians, colon, the Owls of Gahoole. Too much title. Too much title. All right. So wait, so we bought a zoo.

What happened with that title? It was the name of Benjamin Me's book. Yeah. So nobody ever really stopped to say, Should we really call this movie We Bought a Zoo? Nobody? There's no, there was...

Oh, I would have. No, well, we needed you there, brother. We needed you there. I just think, I love the movie. I love the movie. I think... It's a very sweet movie. People loved the movie.

It did really well, too. It did well. El Fanning is great in it, and she's just kind of starting out. Matt's incredible, Scarlett Johansson. I just think, we bought a zoo said, don't see this movie right now. Why is that?

It's interesting, though, actually, because it's not on its face obvious. You could totally... I understand how nobody would occur to them that it would gain this sort of, like, silliness to it. But it is now. What is it? Well, the first posters that they came up with just were pictures of animals,

which really was going to be a problem. I think Matt Damon saw one of those posters and said, I really didn't have to be in this movie, did I? But a stork is on the poster. Um, I think, I think it was, it was felt to be heartwarming and wasn't. The movie is. The movie is. Um, I really, it's just funny.

Making a movie is a zillion decisions and one key one can go wrong and tip the whole ship over. So you just have to kind of be loose and think about these things and try and make the right decision at the right moment. But sometimes one little, one little, one little. pieces off, and we're talking about it now, 14 years later. So it's time for a segment we call Zoo Fast Zoo Furious, and

I'm going to give you new title options. I like that. You will rate them on a scale from one to five zoos. At the end, you must pick the official new title for we bought a zoo by declaring out loud, I'm buying that zoo.

All right, first title, wait, where the fuck did this zoo come from? I like it I'm not going to buy that zoo but I'm going to appreciate that next up we have stuck on zoo that's an eight at least

I know what zoo did last summer this has to happen in the summer now based on a true story keep in mind yeah based on a true story next up we have wildlife

this we thought was a real now we here's our thinking you couldn't call it wildlife because you'd already made a movie called the wildlife yes written by me i was so you couldn't do it i was cornered i can't buy that zoo you can't but but wildlife would have been a good name for the movie it really would have been damn what a shame but we can do better i'm not sure i feel it's coming all right let's see uh next up uh oh he's just not that into zoo That's good. Ten things I hate about zoo.

In captivity. That was like a real pitch. In captivity. Next up we got keeper. Like zoo keeper? Keeper. Just keeper. Keeper.

Like the zoo's a keeper. He's a keeper. The one word, keeper. Keeper. Always good. You know, in France it's called Nouveau de Parte. What is that? That's a new direction.

Ah. That's very French to give it a kind of generic kind of serious title. That's right. And then the last one was that thing you zoo. So which zoo you're going to buy, I think? Keeper. I'm going to buy keeper. Okay. Okay. Well, Cameron Crowe, thank you so much for talking. Nice, John. So the book is the uncool. I really do. Really is a great read. Thanks. Thanks, you guys. And when we come back, Tignitaro. Here's to Zoo. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Love it or Leave It brought to you by One Skin. What

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Hello again. Hi. Good to see you. Thanks for being here. Well, thank you, Cameron Crow. Cameron Crow's here. I know. I saw him backstage.

I love Cameron Crow. I bet you really like singles. I love TIG. Singles. You bet I do? Yeah. I do. But it doesn't just end there. Say more. Say more. I mean, really? If you'd like. I mean, sure. I mean, fast times. Come on. Almost famous. I mean, of course. I'm alive, right? I love rock and roll. It's the first thing I said to him. I love rock and roll too, sir. But listen, I was listening to you talk about the cliches and the things that in films and that drive you crazy and that are funny. My wife has a very, very good one that I love so deeply. I hope you haven't won your films, and I've forgotten.

But when somebody from, like, a label is listening, and then they're, like, on a pay phone, they're like, man, you got to hear them. That's good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. So good.

We watched La Bamba the other night, and I enjoy that film. Have you seen that film? Okay. I thought for sure, I was telling our kids. I was like, I think there's one of those moments that Mommy talks about, and there wasn't. Anyway, how are you? I like La Bamba. You should make yours like La Bamba.

Yeah, yeah. Tig, you do not keep up with pop culture famously. No, but what I do keep up with is music and documentaries. Yeah. Yeah, those are my two huge passions, and then I fall very short. Is there any pop culture moment that jumped out at you in 2025 that did kind of somehow cross into your kind of area of vision? Which is one way to say, did you see anything? I mean, I saw things.

Good question. But like, is there anything that you normally, like, are you aware of what's happening? Do you know who Jen Shaw is? No. Right. Who is Jen Shaw? she's a real housewife that got out of prison today i would never in a million years know but you know that she was in jail with elizabeth holmes from theranos i did not know that but i'm

familiar with elizabeth holmes and i've seen that documentary that's my strength i this i this i this picture of kind of like you opening up a newspaper but before you did like stephanie cuts out the pop culture so you don't see it you know Like that Jefferson Bible where it doesn't say God anywhere. Well, do you know I used to have a talk show called Under a Rock with Tignotaro? Yes, and they'd bring out people that were supremely famous. And they would be strangers to you. But what they would do, my producers would show me like pages of headshots.

And they'd be like, tell us who you know on here. And then I'd be like, I don't know that. And they'd be like, wait, you don't know this person? I'd be like, no. And then they'd get different angles of that person. They'd be like, oh my gosh, she doesn't know who this person is. and then they'd go out to their agents and be like, does your client want to come on this show

and let TIG interview them to try and figure out who they are. It's awesome. Every as you go watch it, it's awesome. And it might be coming back, but anyway. That's exciting. I spoke too soon. I spoke too soon. It's funny because I was thinking about you,

which is like you have Handsome, which is your podcast. You're in Star Trek Academy. The crowd goes mild, huh? The people that know it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. You're in Star Trek Academy.

Starfleet Academy. Starfleet Academy, sorry. It airs on January 15th. Starring Holly Hunter, Paul Giamatti, you know, those people. We're getting them all in the uniforms? Hell yeah. And I know who they are. Paul Giamatti's in singles.

Yes. Paul Giamatti's in one scene in singles where he just sort of goes to town on some girl's face. He has one line. What? But he crushes it. But he crushes it. He has one word.

That's right. One word. Yeah. Let's not overdo it. That's his text. His text is one word. And what he brings to that. Yeah, he sits in it.

He sits in it. Whole word becomes a whole universe. You also have the documentary. Come see me in the good light. Yes. Yes. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend that you see it. It's so beautiful.

It's so beautiful. And you teased a project. You're working on a movie with Zach Snyder that will contain it on quoting here, hot lesbian action. Well, I, yes. Can I just answer yes? Yes.

No, yeah, I did a movie with Zach, and I was, I replaced somebody that was a sexual, he did some sexual, he got in trouble. Got in trouble, yeah. And he got a race from the movie. and then Zach called me to come shoot an entire action film on a green screen.

Do you don't know this part? No. Do you not follow pop culture? I'll be honest. What I'm realizing now is sometimes you've really got to click on the links, Cameron Crow. There's stuff beneath the links that's of interest. Yeah. I did a whole action film on a green screen, zombie film.

I was flying the helicopter, getaway helicopter. and I kept joking with Zach because it was a huge international cast and all the people were really beautiful from all around the world and I was like I'll probably just be like a lesbian wandering in the background which I was fine with I'm not above that

and so I kept saying to Zach I was like oh my gosh in my mind because I'm the only one filming with you I am the star of this movie and I was like but I bet when it comes out I'll just be, you know, this scrappy little lesbian wandering around. And then

I accidentally went viral for being sexy in that movie. What? Hear me out. So, even out of all of these hot people from other countries and what have you, people were talking about me, okay? Yeah. And then I got on a zoo, I said, I got a pitch for you, sir.

And he was like, go, and I go, if people thought I was hot in that movie, why don't we just make a whole action film full of lesbians? I was like straight men are going to see that, gay women are going to want to, everybody is going to want to see hot lesbians.

And I said in the poster, we'll say hot lesbian action. And he was like, holy shit, let's do it. Wow. That's so cool. Is this show supposed to have, like, big laughs and then long silences.

I just want to make sure... Bud design. I just want to make sure the vibe's right. What's the... Have you heard... What? Is it the Japanese art of Ma? Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

No. You don't know what I'm saying? Anybody... Anybody know any Miyazaki fans out there? What's that period of course? quiet called. This is it. We're in it. Do you know what I really appreciated when you said that? Does anyone know what that is? I saw a few people in the audience go. Yes, yes, I do, John. It's funny you should ask. I do. And you and Cameron also share something

in common, which is you also started out in music. Yes. Would you like Cameron interview and then demand the tapes back? Sure. Okay. John, you love our dynamic, don't you? I love it so much. I cherish it. I cherish it. I love it.

We have a great time. I know it. I cherish it from my front row seats. I just want you to know. You're part of it, though. You are part of it. Hey, you know what I was thinking about, Cameron Crow? And I'm sorry to keep saying your name is cool.

Tell me, John Lerner. Tell me. Is it Cameron Marie Crow? Is that right? You know when you wrote that? Remember when you wrote that autobiographical piece about your exploits with girls and your kind of pathetic kind of grasping at sexuality

in a way that was humiliating to you? And then you wrote it all up you sent it to Rolling Stone and then they printed it? Yeah. That was the longest sentence, by the way. Did you really think they weren't going to print it? Did you really think it wasn't good when you sent it or did on some level you know you'd written something great? On no level did I think I'd.

You really thought you were just fulfilling your deadline and they weren't going to run in? No, they were like, we're going to let you write about something that's not music. You're going to stretch a little bit. You're going to write about and I'm already in. I'm like, yeah, sounds great. How you learned about sex. I'm like, you got it. Got it, man.

And how old were you? 17. God damn it. And then it's like, you have to write it after you hang up, like, being super cool about taking the assignment. And it was terrible. It was terrible. And I just felt nothing but embarrassment and humiliation about, like, the terrible time that I was still trying to learn about sex. And I...

Had you had sex? Or maybe that's too personal. I don't think so. I had. I had. But it was a twisted journey to that yes, for sure. And I sent it in and I just, you know, I went through all the excuses in my head. You know, I'm too sick to write it. It got lost in the mail. I just wrote something that was kind of like, you know, like just throwing it out onto the page. And I sent it in. And the guy was laughing when he, when I picked up the phone. now this is writing this is writing the more embarrassing the better don't you see and uh i don't know i kind of learned that lesson that's like embarrassing is is cathartic and ultimately uh funny yeah don't you find that to be true oh my god do it every week yeah it's i keep the lights on well i was got that's the reason i wanted to bring that up is only because i was thinking about

what it would feel like, that must have felt embarrassing at the time. I can't, I don't know if it still does, but I imagine it certainly let, like, do you, are you able to look back on that person with kind of generosity as, whether it's you or not you, as not someone you share in the embarrassment of? I, I enjoy the embarrassment of it from a distance for sure. What I, what still is makes me queasy is the caricature that they, they came up with to, that went along with the article, which was me nude, kind of trotting with a little shadow across this section. And it was like, oh, look at the funny, embarrassed boy. You still wrote this story.

Yeah, that's embarrassing the character. We have the picture. Okay, good. Let's have a look at. No, the embarrassing stuff. Well, it was also true of fast times. Like when we first started watching, you know, when they screen fast, Last time's for audiences, it was the most embarrassing stuff was what people loved and brought

the house down. Like Judge Reinhold's getting caught in the bathroom and pleasuring himself. Embarrassingly caught doing it was like the greatest thing these audiences had ever seen. And it was like, oh, wow, well, it's kind of humiliation is funny. Take, do you find that though, like that telling the, like using the things that embarrass you on stage, take, does it, like, especially from like earlier in your life, does it, like, remove it with, does it get rid of its power? Well, yeah. I mean, I used the world as my toilet, uh, growing up. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, nothing could stop me, like, just out in the world or going to bed at night. Like, I was just, uh, wetting up a storm. And, um, and I never would have

imagine that I would be completely fine talking about any of that kind of stuff or yeah all of that I think not that that was my biggest um laugh I've ever gotten tonight now I feel shame that was that was a that was a Japanese moment of quiet the Miyazaki moment to Miyazaki moment but yeah it's I find it um I don't know it I think after I've been doing stand-up almost 30 years, and I think that you reach a certain point where it's like kind of anything goes until you get married and have a family, and then not everything goes because then there's other people involved in it. But for the most part, yeah, I would say so. Yeah. I just think about, like, there's the getting older and like one

of the nice things about getting older is being able to see your younger self with more generosity, which is, like, I think one of the nice things about your body's slowly decaying right in front of you. Well, that starts happening at 25. Your body, you start to die. Yeah. Should we go to commercial or? Let's just go to the next segment. We'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up.

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Crooked.com slash books. Okay. We're at the time of the year where people announce how much they've grown and changed and learned. We also are at the time of year where people make promises for how they'll change next year, often the same promise they made from the previous year. which is why it's time for a segment we're calling, I know what you didn't do last winter. So here's how it works. We're going to spin the wheel, and wherever it lands,

you have to share one New Year's resolution and also one thing that maybe people would say you should change, but you're not changing it. You're not changing it. Let's spin it. Oh, I like that. It has landed on Cameron. Cameron, what is one thing you'll change

and one thing you refuse to change in 2026. One thing I refuse to change is my desire to keep everything. I'm a pack rat. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, you know, that kind of clings to you. You have to deal with that.

Did you keep a lot of notes, contemporaneous notes? You have notes. This book feels reported. It is because I kept everything. And you're going to keep doing that. I guess I guess I can't stop doing it. We want you to stop. I actually am fine with it.

I think it's correct. Because here's the thing. That's going to be such a great estate sale. No, think about it. Keep it all. Don't get rid of it. Keep it all in one place because then it gets cataloged. And then we get to really see it all after because you can't take it with you.

You're not going to be buried in some giant sarcophagus with all of your objects. One would hope. I didn't know you were dying. I'm like, I'm really enjoyed talking with you, meeting. you. I have enjoyed doing this show, and this is hard to shake.

Think nicely of this evening at the estate sale. Just remember these moments with the people pouring through trash. What's something, Cameron, that you will change. I've been writing for a couple of years, solid, and

it's time to direct again. So, it's time to do that. I've been missing it, and it's time to do it. And it'll be the Joni Mitchell movie. I have a directing question for you. Did you go to school for directing? I did not. Okay.

I need to know. Nobody seems to have this answer. Why when people are talking about shots, they do this? That really bugs me, TIG. How do they do that? Yes, it's like, we're going to come in through here, and you're like, with your fingers? Yeah. You have, like, tongs?

You're going to bring tongs? Every set. Yeah, that's right. Then we're going to come in. You're right. Do you ever do this? Do you ever, like, go like this? Of course he does.

Do you do that? Only for funny pictures that people, you know, want to laugh at it. But it's never useful on set to be like, what's this movie going to look like? What's going to look at my fingers? Yeah, I don't, I never quite understood that one. But, um, some people really, love it.

Yeah. Some people... Okay, let's spin it again. I had a feeling. It's your time. What's one thing you refuse to change? One thing you're going to change. I'm not going to stop working out.

Oh, great. I started working out. Oh, really? And I'm very, like... Listen, I'm not like pump an iron or anything, but it feels so good. I'm sorry. I'm 54.

This is a new thing where doctors are like, you got to start doing this and bone density and whatever. And I was like, I'm not going to. And now I am. And I love it. I love it. That's great. Doing it two or three times a week.

No difference in the look. No difference in the look of my body. But I feel good. I do think that's maybe like the, the kind of unspoken curse of the perennial naturally skinny person, which is, they're like, I never worked out. And then all of a sudden a doctor's like, oh, it looks fine, but inside there's nothing left. It's just...

My health record has already proven that inside it was troublesome. Yeah, no, yeah. For sure, there have been red flags. I'm stapled together. What are you doing to work out? You're doing like, what are you doing? You're doing some squats over there? Yeah, I've squatted a few times.

I picked up some heavy things. Oh, yeah, you got to pick up heavy things. You got to turn potential energy into kinetic energy. That's right. That's how you burn calories. And I'm not going to stop. Don't stop. Yeah, won't stop.

Nobody stopped TIG. Oh, that's a funny name for something. What's something you are going to change? I've already started changing. I'm saying no more often than I ever have. That's a good one. And the other side of it, I want people to tell me no. I love direct conversation where people are like, I don't have time for that.

Or I'm not going to be able to call you. Or I'll never do that. Lose my number, kid. I'm like, all right. I want the same. And a quick no, right? I want a quick no. Ruminating on it and then giving you the no.

Not a good no. If it's a real ruminating, I'm all in. Okay. I just want a real. interaction. Yeah. I can live through a no. You know what I'm saying? I love it. I love you too. You know what? I actually also started and I'll stick this in. I heard you talking about emails. They drive me nuts. And so I told my reps and my assistant don't email me until Thursday mornings every week unless it is really important. And then I'll deal with, I feel like Thursday and

Friday, that's enough time for turnaround for things that aren't pressing. So I'm just like relatively radio silent until Thursday and Friday. So that's a new thing. So do you dread the Thursday or are you like energized? Let's be honest. I'm only two weeks in. But I just started to feel like, oh my God, all the back and forth and the like, geez, just Thursday morning, if it's not pressing, Thursday morning, we'll get to it. And I don't, I don't feel anything other than like, I wonder what wasn't pressing that I have to deal with, you know, rather than all day, every day, back and forth, this and that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You're making good choices.

I can feel it. I can feel it. I just, I want to. The lighter email, the no. This is good. It's going to be a good year for you. Yeah. It's going to be a good year for you.

Let's spin it one more time. I feel like I know where this is going to land. Oh, it's land on me. All right. Here's something that I'm not going to change. Oh. I'm going to use my phone in bed before bed. I'm just going to use my phone in bed before bed.

I'm going to be on my phone till it's time for my eyes to literally close. The best you can hope for, and I consider this a compromise, is I will declare, you know what, I've got to clear my mind and put my phone down so I can focus on one screen as a treat for maybe 15 minutes before we're lights out.

And I mean, I want to have the TV going off and asleep. Like, I don't want, there's going to be just, I'm watching a show, credits roll, TV off, out. That's how I want to. And how does Ari deal with that? Or we don't even care about that. They're on the same page. Okay.

They're on the same page. Well, we, they are, they will end up, we will turn that show off. I will go to sleep and then they will be on. on their phone for like another hour. Trying to call you. Trying to wake you up. Because they're not a, they're like a, they're like a night owl. Yeah.

They're a night owl. But I can just fall asleep. Yeah. Wow. I can just fall asleep. Now I'll wake up too soon. I'll wake up too soon because the Cameron Crow, the thoughts begin. Oh, the thoughts they come.

Are you the first to wake up? Yeah. Yeah, I'm up. Got it. My eyes open. I'm awake. up he's up up i go you do you are you able to fall back to sleep once you've woken up oh it depends i mean i i i struggle i already i like showed up i said i love rock and roll and i have trouble

sleeping cameron um i already went into all this backstage but yeah i have to do my breathing exercises i have to like do all of those kind of things um and sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't i'm here on no sleep by the way uh you know what they wouldn't have known that and that's what we said i said that you backstage is only one way you are on on stage, you know what I mean? No. Fucking awesome. Oh, right.

Yeah, but it's like, you know, Tignitaro. You have a, you're like, you're, uh, I'm a machine. You know, you're like Michael Jackson when he played with, Michael Jordan. I'm just like Michael Jackson. Michael, I was trying to say, Michael Jordan, the flu game. I was trying to say Michael Jordan the flu game. That's what I was trying to say.

But in many ways, I, you also do separately, and we've talked about this, remind me a lot of Michael Jackson. Now, here's something. And here's something, something I will change, something I will change. Well, I will tell you something. Here's something I'm in the process of changing, which is, it did take me, Cameron Crow, until over the age of 40, to be officially diagnosed with what is evident by the cards and people that listen to the show as an extremely terminal case of ADHD.

Like, truly one of the worst, like this is, we've never seen one like this. We didn't know it could get this bad. they bring in other, they bring in the residents to kind of look at the chart and be like, have you ever seen anything like this? We've never seen a brain make connections this poorly before. We've never seen someone. Say I was picturing your skeleton on there too. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And my bones. They're like, those bones have ADHD. Yeah. We didn't know that was possible. Well, the doctor had ADHD too and was like, I was looking at the bones. That's why you guys are a good match medically. And then we have an idea about bones.

All that's a way of saying is I now take something called Adderon. I don't know if you've heard of this stuff. Boy, boy, they just give it to you at the pharmacy. That's insane because every day from about 9 to 3.30 p.m., I'm a superior being. I'm like Cameron's friend,

what's his name, movie star? Tom Cruise. when he's in Minority Report, moving the screens around. That's me doing my emails from 9 a.m. to 12 p.m. That's what happens. I'm like, I can see the future. I know about pre-crime. I'm moving things around.

And then I'll crash and burn. Yeah. Then I'll crash and burn. Worth it. Worth it. Worth it. What's the crash light? Oh, you're in it. This is it.

Wait, maybe I have ADHD. Did you say what you're not going to stop doing? I'm, no, I'm going to keep doing Adderall. I'm going to keep using my phone in bed. Oh, right, right, right. And the change is I'm going to keep treating this ADHD thing I found out that I had, obviously. Because that's a new thing for me too. Because I don't, I respond to my emails every sort of three or four years.

That's been my thing. I say, hey, don't email me unless the number is in the Fibonacci sequence. So it has to be Fibonacci. So sometimes it's two years in a row, but sometimes it's a huge gap. It's like, oh, boy, John wandered off. I thought that'd get a laugh. It's weird when they don't, you know? Yeah.

It's like what I do, you know. I felt it. I just want you to know. The pain or the potential. The complete gamut of all of it, the potential, the realization of this conversation. I like the visual of people waiting on him to write back and then realizing he's wandering off. And I picture him heading off into the woods. And I don't know.

It's good. It's good. It's good. Anyway. And that's our show. Thank you so much. On that note. It's great.

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