Lovett or Leave It - OUT OF THE CLOSETS, INTO THE STREETS

Episode Date: June 26, 2021

AND WE'RE BACK. Our first live show in over a year! Let's do it right. With special guests Adam Rippon, Laci Mosely, Hannah Einbinder, Tre'vell Anderson, Zach Noe Towers, Eliot Glazer, Ronan Farrow, RB, Brendan Scannell, Jared Goldstein, Tig Notaro, Maebe A. Girl, Ira Madison III, Louis Virtel, Danica Roem, Andrea Jenkins, and Gabriel Foster. And you can join in supporting the Trans Justice Funding Project at crooked.com/pridefund.For a closed-captioned version of this episode, please visit crooked.com/lovettorleaveit. For a transcript of this episode, please email [e-mail] and include the name of the podcast.

Out of the closets and into the streets For this is La Guavita time Leave the lawyers to newness Cause the ruling for June is That slaying's a victimless crime. So we go out of the closets and into the streets. La Guavita people take charge. Sure the road has been rocky but the word from Pisaki is the infrastructure package is large. Go off your spirit, take street stuff and queer it, especially current events. We've got your gay news, the them news, and they news, as love it or leave it presents. Out of the closets and into the streets, to show your la croix be tough ride.

Cause July until May is a little less gay, So we're making the most of the month. We're a toast of a huge celebration for queers across the nation. So grab a refreshment. Join as we slide out of the closets and into the streets. Happy Pride! Look at your bright, shimmering faces. This is so exciting. We're back.

I am very excited about this. It's been a long pandemic. Fuck. I want to be clear about what I'm about to say, which is not based on anyone here or any observation I made after arriving at this event. And it is this.

There is something that happens when you see somebody that you haven't seen in a year and a half after a once-in-a-century pandemic. And it's that some people have this very smug expression on their faces that says, yeah, I didn't gain weight this year. Not only that,

I'm not going to say it out loud. Obviously it would be a gauche and inappropriate thing to say out loud given how hard this year has been for so many people, but I also lost a little weight. I figured out a new routine and it just worked for me

even though it was such a hard time. It just sort of worked for me and here's what I want to say to them. Don't be so fucking proud of yourselves. It is a bright fucking blinking red light over your head that says that you are a sociopath. That's what that means. Your little expression.

Unbelievable. Oh, sorry. That amazing song. That amazing song was by Daniel Mertzloff and Kate Leonard. It was incredible. What a great introduction. Thank you so much to them. And if you have an out of the closet, into the streets theme that you want to send us,

please do send it to us at leaveitatcrooked.com. It is so exciting to be live again. Look, the next couple of shows, they may be Zoom again. That may be what happens, all right? That's logistics. That's life. But the energy will be out of the closet. So we're switching exclusively to out of the closet theme.

So send yours in because the songs over the last year and a half have been incredible. Thanks to everybody who have sent them in. So we have an amazing show for you. We've got news, stand-up, deep and meaningful conversations, absolutely pointless games. But first, as always, let's get into it. What a week. Bisexual icon, Kirsten Sinema. She is.

It's pride. And for a second, you don't know what to do. Are we applauding Kirsten Sinema as a bisexual icon? Yeah, let's do it. No, don't do it. I don't know what to do. Anyway, she published an op-ed defending the filibuster the night before the vote

in which a bill to protect voting rights failed. It is very annoying in part because you'd think bipartisanship would be instinctive to a queer icon in this way. That bipartisanship would be instinctive to a queer icon in this way. That bipartisanship means Democrats are the people with whom you have committed long-term relationships. And Republicans are for emergencies. Does that make sense? You know what I mean?

Does Kirsten know what I mean? Maybe when you're a little drunk, you know? In her op-ed, she wrote, to those who want to eliminate the filibuster to pass the For the People Act, I would ask, would it be good for our country if we did only to see that legislation rescinded a few years from now

and replaced by a nationwide voter ID law or restrictions on vote by mail and federal elections over the objections of the minority? Now, this frustrates me enormously, both as a fan of democracy and as a fan of hypotheticals, because the point of a hypothetical, in my understanding of hypotheticals, is to point to something very bad that could happen to affect what you do kind of in the present, not bad things that are already happening right now all the time.

It's not effective to say we have to negotiate or they'll shoot the hostages while they're shooting the hostages. You know what I mean? They're shooting the hostages. So good to be back. Look at this. A live show.

So exciting. Also this week, General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, discussed critical race theory and the importance of understanding and studying white rage. Here's the clip. I've read Mao Zedong.

I've read Karl Marx. I've read Lenin. That doesn't make me a communist. So what is wrong with understanding, having some situational understanding about the country for which we are here to defend. He's read Mao Zedong. He's read Karl Marx.

Fucking nerd alert. Fucking nerd generals. Anyway, with classic, and I think I'm going to say this correctly, L'Esprit d'Escalier. How I would have said it, if I wasn't trying to impress you,

is in a classic The Jerk Store called, Matt Gaetz, noted monster, tweeted, with generals like this, it's no wonder we fought considerably more wars than we've won, which is a bold statement for a man who is currently

losing a war with Venmo. You call yourself a general? I've trafficked women younger than the Iraq war. Yeah, yeah. It was tough to say, too. If it was tough for you to experience, it was because it was tough for me to say. I think it was smart to go 14 months without being on stage and then do it fucking live on the internet. I think that was a great plan. I think it was a great idea, and I feel great about it.

You want to know why? Because my rusty is like a lot of other people's tents. You know what I mean? I'm looking right at Emily for that arrogant piece of shit thing I just said. I want to sit on the ground after saying that out loud. Also this week, with his show coming to an end,

Conan O'Brien had Seth Rogen on and smoked pot with him, which is really exciting because the finale, they're going to have Andy Richter do meth. And finally, because this is our first live show back in a very long time, after a very hard year, I thought it was important to end by focusing on something that I think meets the moment and to really consider how far we've come

and what we've been through. And so I do want to talk about the fact that there was yet another article about whether Subway's tuna has tuna in it. That honestly is like the thing that's gotten me most agitated this week, which says something really bad about me, or maybe society, maybe both.

Here's the deal. It's fucking tuna, and everybody needs to calm the fuck down. So here's the deal. The Washington Post ran a story about the fact that there's people in California suing Subway claiming that the tuna isn't tuna. I think it's a frivolous lawsuit.

You know why? Because I've eaten the Subway tuna sandwich, and it tastes like tuna. And I don't really understand what the theory is. The theory is that they've spent untold sums of money to generate a fake tuna, and build a fake tuna supply chain across stores all across America

to make something that's almost identical to tuna. Doesn't make any sense. It's just tuna. What are people talking about? Jared must be rolling over in his grave. Or wherever. Or wherever he is. I don't know.

I think he's alive. Anyway, the reason this is back in the news is because The Times did an article. They did an article, a classic Times thing to do, and it had the sub headline, is Subway selling tuna? That's a big question to put in the New York Times. If you do PR for Subway, I'm not saying it's your dream job, but you care about your work, and you wake up, and you're like, fuck, this is a huge problem for me. This is my week. When the New York Times, if you work at Subway PR,

and the New York Times has a story called, Is Subway Tuna Tuna? Your week is fucked. Anyway, the point is, the New York Times spends a long time telling us about the history of tuna outside of the Subway context, and then says, we tried to get the subway tuna tested at DNA labs all across America,

but none of them would do it because what they said was, it won't work. It's cooked tuna mixed with mayonnaise, salt and pepper and probably little bits of bread. And the reporter,

to her intrepid credit, is like, I'm not taking no for answer. I'm going to find one lab that'll do it, and she did. Good for her. Little suspicious. Here's why. I cannot believe how much time we're spending on this. Why not? I don't care. We've been doing nothing for a year. She finds a lab that is willing to test the tuna, but then the lab says, only if you don't put our names in the article. We want to test the tuna anonymously, the lab says, only if you don't put our names in the article. We want to test the tuna anonymously.

And I've literally never heard that before. A laboratory being granted anonymity. What? And they're like, well, because we may want to work with Subway in the future. Well, probably. Don't do this. So then the lab tests the tuna.

And lo and behold, they're like, we couldn't find any tuna caveat it's cooked food mixed with mayonnaise spices and little bits of bread because you pulled it off the bread because the reporter didn't even get tuna separate she just ordered a bunch of sandwiches um anyway the reason I bring this up, there's no reason. There's no reason. The point is, there's no point.

The point is, the lab is like, well, we can't be sure it's tuna. And also, one thing we learned from this article, which is one of the most interesting parts about it, is that Subway tuna is allowed to sit out for 72 fucking hours. So yeah, I imagine it didn't register the DNA in the sample. I'll close by saying this.

Last October, Ireland's Supreme Court ruled that Subway's rolls had so much sugar in them that they didn't meet the legal definition of red. And I think $5 for a 12-inch cake covered in tuna is like a pretty good fucking deal. All right. What is this show? Our pride show.

This is pride to me. Pride can be whatever you want it to be, and this is what pride is to me. This is what pride is to me. We're back. This is so much fun. I'm having such a good time. Before we get to the show, we are at $29,500, which is, we set a goal of $30,000 and we're going to blow through it in

the first few minutes of this event, which is so amazing. But please donate to the Trans Justice Funding Project. When we come back, I'm talking with Adam Rippon, Lacey Mosley, and Hannah Einbinder. But first, the gayest moment in history. The queerest moment in history is a two-way tie for me between the three-way kiss with Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, and Madonna, which I know is like cisgender straight women performing queerness,

but it had a huge impact on my childhood. And the second is this puppy that I just adopted met another boy puppy, and the first thing he did was lick his butt while like humping the air. Like father, like son, I guess. I'm gonna take you back to the early 1900s. A woman by the name of Lucy Hicks Anderson,

a black trans icon, darling. And she got arrested a number of different times because she was a black trans icon, darling. And she got arrested a number of different times because she was a black trans woman and this country has always been trash to black people and trans people and women and feminine folks. So if you all three, honey, that's the trifecta of aggression. So she got arrested one day,

but she was the best cook in the city and she was about to cater this event for this high society white man. You wanna know what he did? He bailed her out. Why? Because that's black trans power. Okay, your society can't run without black trans power,

honey. It's been happening since the early 1900s and beyond, okay? That is the queerest moment in history. That is black trans power. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. And we're back.

Out of the closets, into the streets. It's not just the name of this show. It's a state of mind. It's a state of being. After COVID put a pause on circuit parties, which I believe is some kind of gay hackathon. I honestly don't know. I swear to all of you, I don't know what they are. I've been embarrassed to ask my whole life, and I'm going to find out during this show. Anyway, it was a hard year. It was a year of unprecedented visibility for LGBT people and new threats, especially against trans people. And I

think stripped away, a lot of us came to understand our own identity better, how we wanted to see ourselves, how we wanted to be seen in the world when there was a world again. Plus, the game Hades came out, which was super fucking gay, and it ruled. The levels were procedurally generated, and the Greek gods all had sex with each other. Here to talk about all of it, well, probably not that,

he is an Olympic figure skater and the twirling ghost haunting Mike Pence's dreams. Please welcome Adam Rippon. Hi, Adam. Thanks for being here. Literally my pleasure. She is Harper in Paramount Plus'

reboot of iCarly and the host of Scam Goddess. We have the goddess herself, Lacey Mosley. Hi. Nice to meet you. Nice. Thanks for being here.

Good to be here. Hi, Lacey. This is on him. Okay. So fun. And she is solely responsible for the career renaissance of queer icon Jean Smart. Please welcome Hannah Einbinder. Hey. Thank you all for being here. This is so fun. Anna Einbinder.

Thank you all for being here. This is so fun. Adam, I wanted to first say to you, congrats on getting engaged. Thank you. You too. Yeah. We both got engaged.

Oh, that's so nice. Yeah. Thanks. Mazel. I might fly my boy toy to Cancun wow nice that's cool too that's better that's better because it doesn't involve like parents so Adam

you got engaged but then you were long distance for a year because of the pandemic yeah we are engaged but we've been long distance kind of our whole relationship But we've been long distance kind of our whole relationship. But we've been able to spend like large chunks of time together. But he's from Finland. But because of the pandemic, I didn't see him for like a whole year. Wow. Yeah. Any long distance tips? Other than don't do my number one long distance tip is maybe you shouldn't

do that. Okay. Okay. Are you sick of people asking you when you're going to get married? Because I am. I'm not because I always tell them that I'm just doing, like, my full plan is to, like, just go to the courthouse. Because a wedding is so expensive

and I'd just rather buy, like, a couch. I really, I really respect that and I think it's a really good idea. But even the entertaining of this concept that I am doing right now is killing my mother.'m doing right now is killing my mother.

Like right now. We're going to do it with family. There's going to be a big group of people and toasts. Not dad. Dad will not give a toast. We made a deal at Stephanie's wedding and the deal was this. He would only read what was on the cards. And he ad-libbed.

And that was that that last toast for Robert I'll probably get to talk I'm going to invite Robert to my wedding oh good luck yeah thank you I don't want him to stick to the cards I want to live on the edge okay good luck to that

I think it'll be really exciting to see what he does he only drinks at weddings. Hannah, you played a bi character on Hacks, and you're bi in real life, right? Absolutely, yeah. Cool. Come on, absolutely. Well, the reason I want to ask you about it

is because I love Hacks. Love Hacks, as I told you. I told you back... Thank you. You must be sick of being complimented about it. It's only because my self-esteem doesn't allow me to take in positive affirmations.

So I have to do a lot of this. It ricochets off. It has to ricochet. Oh, yeah. Don't let it in. Get it on Lacey. But one thing that I thought was cool in the show is that I feel like Jean Smart's character, Debra, reacts to a bi person the way society reacts to bi people. Which is like, wait a second, that's pretty wacky.

And then she stops caring. Like, how did it, how did you feel about, like, how much being bi was part of the character? Like, it was sort of, it was like a big deal for the, in the moments it was a big deal. And then it just became kind of, she had an ex-girlfriend, then she slept with a guy. How did you feel like it played out? I liked that the representation did not dwell so much on it because it allowed us to see a bisexual person

as fully formed and realized and going about their life. And so I think the reason that it's sort of like accepted in this universe is because, you know, Debra Vance sort of a queer icon, I would say, I mean, and so everyone around her is queer.

Um, so she's, she's a little bit like, wait, what's going on? Because, you know, Marcus and Damien are both gay,

but what is this? Um, when she's looking at Ava? So it's a lovely way to just be like, here's a fully formed person and we don't have to like, it's not always about that, but there are little digs here and there about it, which I think is also representative of the experience. Yeah, I wouldn't know.

I'm just hard gay. Yeah, I love it my dream my dream just gold star gold star Lacey you're in a similar boat

because you're playing a bi character on this show that's just coming out right now just airing on Paramount Plus would you say Paramount Pluses iCarly or Paramount Plus iCarly? You know what I mean? Is it S-E-R? Like LGBTQ Paramount Plus?

Yes. But they didn't know you were queer when you auditioned. No. That was a goal of theirs. They really wanted a queer woman. But at the same time, just because of labor laws, you can't really be like, okay, so it's all UE box or no. You can't. like labor laws you can't really be like okay so you eat box or no like you can't you know you can't can't be like we're gonna do just what we did in your first

call back you know like and then also do you eat pussy like you can't do that um wait you can't because i my audition process like we need you actually have to eat pussy to go to the Olympics. I need to call someone. This is crazy. So it's crazy that we've all done the same thing. Right. I don't know, Adam. I feel like yours. I failed. Yeah.

I got kicked out. Well, you really overcame a lot. It's for my country, so. That's so funny. Close your eyes and think of gold yes so they couldn't ask and it was that's what we were

talking about somehow it ended up in a box for the USA and I love that for him but yeah so they couldn't ask

I didn't audition for the show originally I got a phone call on a Saturday that was like do you want to screen test for this

and they were like the showrunner will get on Zoom with you. And I was like, alright, shit, let's do it. And so I talked to her that day. She was cool as fuck. They didn't want this character to ever address being bi other than it was just always how she was. So by that I mean, like, there's no coming out story for Harper. There's no,

hey guys, I like box, everyone gather round. Like, we're not. It's just a normal woman living her normal life and she dates men and she also dates women. I'm just, I'm like fully stuck in trying to find out if somebody is bi without being able to ask. And it's like, I don't even know,

like I know you could maybe figure out if somebody's a lesbian and be like, I mean, remember Lilith Fair? And then you kind of wait a second to see if they or something like that like I guess that's the mystery of the big queue my friend yeah yes I think it's like

a college roommate thing you gotta be like yeah cause you know we like all made out with our college roommates that's wait wait a second it does I'm glad you brought up that the character is not coming out because I was thinking about this when that bachelor man came out of the closet Colton Apple

Undertree Underwood Undertree but he came out and he did the full rollout and he sat down for an interview and he said he was gay and it really felt like early 2000s to me like like somebody being like i'm gay and i support the troops which is how i did it that's the way to do it i'll never forget there was one uh in my childhood it was clay aiken and he was holding a baby on people magazine and then it said at the bottom, I'm gay.

And I remember, I don't know who made this joke, but they were like, is the baby gay? Because we all knew about Clay. He didn't have to come out on People Magazine. That cover haunts me.

I can see it right now. I'm the baby. And I'm gay. You were that, and I was that baby. Yes, i love this for you so adam when you you you came out and you were the uh first openly gay person to qualify for the winter olympic team right and for the for the u.s for the u.s and for the and the first uh first first person member of the u.s team to be openly gay into metal. Yes. Pretty cool. I just think it's a cool thing. Applaud him.

Yes. It was amazing to me that like oh my god none of these gay guys were out when they went to the Olympics over all these years and there was this strange like rule that being a gay Olympian was like like Provincetown on a rainy day like gay but inside yes yes you know what I mean yeah that's how I have actually described it before but like

was it was it surprising how big a deal it was to you to like break that rule yeah it was a huge shock because um like I had been out as an athlete for a few years at that point before the Olympics. And, um, I think one thing that I was really afforded this opportunity of like, I was never like a favorite for gold. They were like, Oh, Adam's like good. So like, good luck. But like, I was never like favorite to win. So there was never that like pressure on me to like, are you like, you know know the stakes were a little bit lower like i would do really well if like someone like fucked up and then i would like beat them and be like i'm sorry you lost to a gay guy um but like other than that you know it was never a like never a big deal and i

didn't have to have like a lot of that pressure on me. Um, but you know, being at the Olympics, it was a much bigger deal than I ever thought it would be. So interesting. You both like Hannah and Lacey, like you both have become like known for being by performers and you've become sort of celebrities as by people, but like you have, it's happening right before our eyes deal with it. It is. But you're not coming out. Like, that step is sort of gone. Like, how do you feel about that, though? It's like, I don't know.

I never, like, I never came out. I just, like, had a gay voice when I was 17. 17? I was born with my queer voice. Oh, I should say, you're right. Let me rephrase. People started telling me that my gay voice was that I was gay. They're willing to find, well bully said it early very early the friends waited till i was 17 but like what is it how do you feel about like being like kind of on the vanguard of

representing by people it is like a new thing it is like deborah vance doesn't know about it you know it's um i will say that i never came out either um in fact i guess the only way that i ever came out was like um i was outed to my parents um in a magazine um and it was like not a big deal my parents are not homophobes or not because they're more like why didn't you tell us you didn't feel like you could share and i was like if i bring a bitch home then we could talk about it like there was nobody here excuse my language but i'm like i wasn't i'm not dating anybody so you know like i'm not dating a man i'm not dating a woman right now so it's just like not something i need to like be like hey i want you to know about like i look at tessa thompson and i'm like yes like i don't

i didn't you know um but so i was talking actually about tessa thompson on a podcast and then they're like things to know about lacy she's bi we heard her talk about this podcast and we dug up from seven years ago and I was like oh okay and then after that like obviously with Harper and this character it's become a larger part of my identity than it was before which I have no qualms with but for me like there are just so many people especially in our community who are way more marginalized and don't have as much privilege as I do and so it feels weird for that part of my identity to be so in the forefront right now, because I'm just like,

I like to amplify voices that need to be amplified. You know what I mean? Like I'm still, I may be a dark skinned black woman, but I'm still like a cyst, you know, honestly, the bravest thing I did today wasn't,

I wasn't telling people I was bi, it was that I didn't have time to go home and put on makeup. And I like came out here with my face. This is brave. Thank you. Thank you you that's my Olympic gold moment they clap for you having the Olympics and then they clap because I have no makeup yeah actually when we were over there it's like she's actually not wearing makeup and that is kind of brave I mean too pretty to call that brave I don't buy it yeah I don't buy it I mean I fully echo

that it really is about the sacrifices that other members of our community have made so that we can be so so free in this and it's also like it feels like an identity that while people don't really like I guess the term I will use is like non-binary identities things that exist in a middle in in my experience at least it's something that I think people, because they do see you as like having hetero relationships, they can get it. Like it feels like something that was when explained in that way, maybe like, for example,

on the show, palatable and understandable. Yeah. Happy pride, everybody. No. So, so,

um, thank you all for being here before we go. We're going to play a quick game. Uh, queer people, a community with incredibly diverse perspectives and point of view. We couldn't pick one color for our flag, so we picked them all,

but sometimes one opinion is correct. That opinion is mine. So in honor of accurate opinions, we're playing a game called Subjective Gay Trivia. Here's how it works. I'll ask a question about queer culture. Whoever gets it right or comes closest to getting it right gets the point. Are you

ready? Yes. Question one. A straight actor who ought to be grandfathered in and permitted to play gay characters. Stanley Tucci. I mean, that's just correct. Honestly, like others could have gotten closer, but it's just Stanley Tucci. We have to allow it.

It enrages me that that's even a question. He's so good. He plays gay so well. Can't argue with that. Next question. Lacey, we'll start with you. Most overrated pop diva? Rita Ora? Wow. Wow.

Honestly, honestly, that reaction is not fair. It was a good pick. It was a really good pick. Thank you. Adam was a good pick. It was a really good pick. Adam, for the steal. Oh, no. The steal? I have to steal from Rita Ora

again? I'm so glad I did this to you. Okay, music-wise, Jennifer Lopez? Wow. Wow. Honestly, the dawning realization that it's a good and difficult conversation to have. But listen, the face, underrated.

Great face. Fantastic actress. Great. Fantastic actress. It's just olive oil, too. Because Hannah got the first one. Is that true? The name of my doctor.

I'm going to say it's a tie. I think Rita Ora and Jennifer Lopez were both good answers. We also would have accepted Jared Leto. Best ally. You can name anybody on earth as the best ally. And I'll just be honest. I have a real and sincere answer for this. Best ally.

Lately. Recently. Recent history. But you can pick anybody and it could be right. What a sincere answer. I do. I know it's shocking. The rest of them are it. want to say jane fonda jane fonda great answer i was gonna say jane fonda he was gonna say jane fonda you can go with jane fonda too if you'd like i was gonna go harry styles i think that's great my one answer because i always love them and everything

they have to say was duanewayne Wade and Gabrielle Union. I think they're amazing. Oh, yes. I think they're amazing. And I want to do one real one. Next one, not real. You look up through the sunroof of your 1992 Ford Explorer and you realize that something isn't right.

You're not moving and the power seems to be out. Is the electric fence down? You're not sure. Is this a question? Suddenly hear the eerie sound of taut metal coming loose. And then in the dark through the rain, you see it, a beast of unimaginable scale. And you realize there's nothing between you and a Tyrannosaurus Rex besides your SUV's windshield and two of the greatest pop stars and gay icons of all time, Madonna and Cher, trapped in the SUV ahead of you.

You have a flare in your hand. You turn to Lady Gaga, who rode with you. She says, we've got to save my mamas. I don't know how she sounds. About Cher and Madonna. What do you do? Okay, well, I'm definitely going to hop in the whip and skrrt skrrt back because where's Beyonce? I got to go save Beyonce first.

Sorry. That's going to be tough to beat. That's going to be tough to beat. That's going to be tough to beat, Adam. I actually took the words out of my mouth when you went skirt, skirt, back. And so after I would do that, I would actually obviously electric fence out

Madonna, famous electrician. I would have her fix the fence, share in the car. She needs to sit down and then we go then we're out of there alright that's a pretty good answer you can steal it

it's going to be tough those are good answers the question is what do you do where is the writer who wrote this where are you I know you're in here it's you is it you it was me It was me.

It was a crazy thing to do. It was two in the morning and I'd eaten an edible. I love it. I love that. Okay, so my... You have a flare. And just a reminder, the Tyrannosaurus Rex's vision is based on movement. Share. Obviously not moving much.

She's on TikTok, Adam. Shame on you. I would try to position the flare to get the dinosaur in the eye. That's a great answer. And then so disarm the dinosaur, grab the girls, and go. I think that's a great answer. I think, sadly, you would perish in that outcome. But you'd die saving Cher and Madonna.

You've won that round. That was your correct answer. We also would have accepted tell Scooter Braun to run with the Claire as fast as he can. Because I don't know that he knows that the T-Rex's vision is based on movement.

One of many things that he doesn't know. But we'll find out. It does say all of it on the card. Best ally from the TV show Friends. It can be a cast member or a guest star. I think Phoebe

is the best ally. Okay. All right. Some thoughtful some thoughtful applause for Phoebe. Lacey? Aisha Tyler

the one black lady that was on that show. Great answer. Great answer. I'll just be honest with you. She is the runner up to the correct answer. I'm letting you know that in advance. It was a great choice, but not correct.

God, I have to be honest. I didn't watch that show. That's also correct. That's also correct. That's the correct answer. You got it. Hannah, you got it. I didn't watch it.

We also would have accepted Tom Selleck because it's the only character in the history of the show that was confident and safe in his own masculinity. Okay. Think watch it. We also would have accepted Tom Selleck because it's the only character in the history of the show that was confident and safe in his own masculinity. Okay. Think about it. Think about one other character that was comfortable being just a man in the world. Because that's allyship. You've all won the game.

Thank you so much to Adam Rippon, Lacey Mosley, and Hannah Einbinder. When we come back, gay news. But first, the gay agenda. Part of the gay agenda I think we should consider amending. We need our own country. I've been thinking about this for a long time. Like, queer people are some of the most creative, kind, smart, giving people in the world. And I'm so sick of having to jump through hoops.

There's like no country where people aren't just given the rough end of the stick. So I say we like pool our money because we're all pretty wealthy without babies and like buy Australia and then just turn that into our home. Well, you know, I consider myself to be the president of the BFB society. In case you're not familiar, BFB stands for Big Footed Bitches. And I firmly believe that we need to add to the queer agenda, getting shoes for us big footed bitches in the department stores. Now, if you want to wear a heel and you happen to have a foot size over the size of 12 you gotta go to the same place that the drag queens and the sex workers get their shoes and don't get me wrong shout out to them but

like them shoes ain't always comfortable i don't care what they say y'all sometimes you just want a sensible heel okay sometimes you don't want a platform heel i want to be able to go to a little little little department store you know little macy's little something get to a little department store, you know, a little Macy's, a little something, get me a little heel. Okay? So we need Bigfoot adventure shoes in the department stores. Please add that to the agenda. Please and thank you. Amen.

Don't go anywhere. This is Love It or Leave It, and there's more on the way. And we're back. I hadn't seen this. This is so funny. He is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, a Grammy nominee, bane of evil men,

and of people who think we should just like try not to use the phone in bed as much because of the light and how it affects people's sleep. Please welcome Ronan Farrow. Hi. This is so beautiful, you guys. Hi. I have so much social anxiety right now. This is a crowd. This is so beautiful, you guys. Hi. I have so much social anxiety right now.

This is a crowd. This is crazy. I haven't seen people. I don't know how to be with people anymore. I don't think people are symmetrical as you have social anxiety. We do. We have more. We're more insecure.

Wow, he managed to accept the compliment. As true. He just bought the premise. He bought the premise. You handsome son of a bitch. All right. Before we start, there was one thing I wanted to talk about with you, which is this. Is now the time? Yeah, sure. Specifically why I was frustrated that you chose this year to be nominated for a Grammy. Here is why in a normal year it was for it was for the his audio book thank you

thank you for accepting my accent work the voices were polarizing it was polarizing but well received deeply well received it was the right creative choice

but he's nominated for a Grammy and in a normal year look I'm never gonna get nominated for a Grammy let's face it that's a piece I've made with it. Thank you Paula V for allowing to just open up

making your eyes say you could be but I can't be and so my only chance to go to all the coolest parties where it's like is that Beyonce over there? Is that another famous singer? We only know the one famous person.

That's our cultural frame of reference. I'm literally trying to think of one. She is, in fairness, the one that you want to run into. Probably. Bruno Mars. The name I was going for was Bruno Mars.

Okay. The point is, in a normal year, I would have gotten to be, I'll tell you in a second, I would have gotten to be his first live show in a year. First crowd.

How's he doing? He's fine. All right. The point is, in a normal year, I would have gotten to go as a plus one on my plus one world tour to like Clyde Davis's party and this other thing and look at those celebrities. And I would have met all these people and put on a tuxedo jacket and then felt a little self-conscious but then had a drink and felt great. And instead, this was the experience

of being your plus one at the Grammys. You're sitting in front of a laptop. You turn on the ring light. You go like this. I lost to Rachel Maddow. That was the full extent of the fucking Grammys. That sucks. That was the Grammys journey.

There was a Clive Davis party invite, but it was a Zoom. Please. Please. You don't get to run into Beyonce. I don't even think you should have brought that up. Anyway, the point is gay news. I'll get better at that as we

do more. I hope you don't. It's time for gay news. You know what happens. We're just going to read some gay news. Great. I don't get all these jokes, by the way. There's like fully half of them that I just don't get. I'm winging it. Not half. A couple. Gay news. In May,

Demi Lovato came out as non-binary, which explains why they got so mad at that froyo place for saying there are 31 flavors, but only two genders. Gay news. Sure, sure. That's the tradition, right? I watch it all the time. You're supposed to be... You've never heard a goddamn word of this show.

Late in the cursed year of 2020, Elliot Page, star of Juno, came out as trans, which is awesome because now a trans person can ask all the expositional questions in a Christopher Nolan movie. Did Elliot Page come out, or was it a dream within a dream within a dream? Ba-da-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-da-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-gay news. In good gay news,

the VA will begin offering gender confirmation surgery to trans veterans. But because the VA believes at long last that trans people should be treated like everyone else, the paperwork will take three years. Ba-da-ba-ba-da-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-gay news. In April,

to the dismay of conservatives everywhere, the devil's boyfriend, Lin-Law's ex, dropped Call Me By Your Name. Great. Great song. Great video. Conservatives were pissed. When you sleep with the devil, it better be-Law's ex, dropped Call Me By Your Name. Great. Great song. Great video. Conservatives were pissed.

When you sleep with the devil, it better be a right-wing dictator, otherwise it's just offensive. Ba-da-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba- And people who hate dramatic twists look like two circles on the opposite sides of the fucking universe. Gay news. Just last week, Carl Nassib became the first active NFL player to come out as gay. Nice. Carl, how active are we talking? Hey.

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on you. It was so funny. I had to do it, but so mean. Sweet David Archuleta. He was sweet when he was on the show. His coming out story was so earnest. And here I come in with this filth. I mean, it is funny. It's funny.

But it's too mean. And that's ba-da-ba-ba-da-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-gay news. Any parting thoughts for Pride, Ronan? Be full of it and give money to this good noble cause. Look at him. I should have prepared more for this. Look at him. Ronan Farrow, so handsome. Look at him.

Ah, you. Thanks, everyone, for having me. Thank you, Ronan. When we come back, Arby and Brendan Scannell. But first, a somewhat haunted rant from the gay zone, Elliot Glazer. Oh, man. I am so excited that it is Pride Month.

I have so much pride as an openly gay man, and it's really nice to know that in a month like June, especially after a year we had with COVID, I'm not sure you've heard about it, but it was a thing. It's nice to know that there are places to go for respite where queer people can go and live their most authentic lives like Palm Springs or Miami or Fire Island. lives like Palm Springs or Miami or Fire Island. Fire Island is a specific place filled with mostly men, mostly white men, where there's a lot of fun, a lot of fun to be had, hijinks. And I'd like to say that I don't need to see it. It's not my thing, but I'm glad you're having fun. I have fun too. I think naps are fun and I love naps. I like a one-on-one kind of quiet thing. But listen, have a blast.

Congrats to everybody who's out there dancing and filming it. I just don't need to see it. But I'm also in my parents' basement. So who's to say? Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. And we're back. Susan Sontag.

In 1964, she wrote her seminal work, Notes on Camp, which was buried by the sands of time until the devil wearing Prada declared camp the theme of the Met Gala in 2019. Since then, the LGBTQ community, the alphabet mafia, has reasserted their claim on camp. But what's the most camp? Summer camp? Campaigns? The hippocampus? Here to help crown the campiest, they are stand-up and writer, please welcome RB. Hi, thanks for being here. How you doing? What's up? I'm good.

How are you? I'm great. Wow, faces. Faces. You have a face, John. Full on face. You have a full on face. More than when I went into the quarantine.

Yeah, I got a lot more face too, I feel like. I like it. I gained some weight. I like having more face. Yeah, I like that you have more face. Thanks. Oh, no. I made it weird again.

It's great. I made things weird before I didn't see people for a year. And he is the star of Netflix's very kinky comedy bonding. Please welcome Brendan Scannell. Hi, Brendan. Hi. Oh, wow. Is it on? Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I've been in front of people in years. This is fun. All right, here's how it works. So first of all, we have celebrated ally Caroline Reston coming on stage with our bracket. Guys, give it up for Caroline Reston. This is what allyship is all about.

It's about holding a corkboard. Corkboards are camp. Corkboards are camp. Here's the thing. I know this doesn't look like a sports bracket because nobody who knows about sports bracket was involved um and like in hindsight sure there should be lines and it should move towards the center that did not occur to us until deep into the process i like that you have

queered the bracket like this this is a queer version of a bracket like let's not have lines let's not have binaries it It's just there's names on the cork. This is like something a 15 year old gay boy would put on his wall and he's got a rent poster above it. That's our March madness. It's June madness. This.

I'm actually a little bit stuck on Lacey talking about her parents finding out that she was bi because she didn't have anybody to bring home. And I'm remembering that when I came out to my parents, they were like, have you kissed a girl? I was like, no.

Have you kissed a boy? I was like, no. They're like, how do you know? And I was like, honestly, now I'm not sure again. Shut up. Don't pity me. It's fine. I'm here because of that.

Anyway, here's how this works. We're going to declare what is the campiest, and then Guy Branum, who is literally in the south of France, will at some point catch wind of this and tell me that we were wrong in our choices and potentially to do this at all. So here's how this is going to work. Brendan and RB are going to just help us figure out the answer to this bracket. In the March madness, June madness, camp madness, Sweet 16, we have Joe Manchin's houseboat, the almost heaven, Bitcoin, fanfic about Shrek, the part of Cruella where dogs killed their families or whatever, the standup at the beginning of Seinfeld that got cut for time and syndication, the 2021 New York City mayoral primary, TikTok grandmas, Chromatica Oreos, double stuffed Oreos, the Imagine Celebrity video, and the Gal Gadot apology, everyone accepting Ellie Kemper's apology for the Eyes Wide Shut dance, turning the built-in Zoom filter to max, Mar-a-Lago, the 1991 film Nothing But Trouble starring Chevy Chase, Demi Moore,

and Dan Aykroyd, Jeff Bezos going to space, and Jeff Bezos dying in space. Let's go through it. Great. Your first category, Brendan and RB, it's fanfic about Shrek versus the stand-up at the beginning of Seinfeld that got cut for time and syndication. What is more campy?

Definitely fanfic about Shrek. I don't think there's anything camp about Seinfeld. Okay, that's it. Then you know what? Let's get this shit off the board. I totally agree with that. I feel like the Seinfeld cut for time is like saying, is the dentist camp? And I don't think that applies.

Alright, we have a winner there. Everyone accepting Ellie Kemper's apology or the Gal Gadot apology for the Imagine video. It's a tough call. I have an immediate reaction to this, which is Gal Gadot apology. That is the camp for me. I feel like I've been off Twitter for like two years and I have no idea what these things are.

Oh no, that's such a good response. Fuck, my brain's broken by dumb internet stuff made by evil, weird corporations. You said the Gal Gadot. Yeah. Okay, I think that's definitely more camp. I think there's something horrible about that. Racist. Fair enough. think that's definitely more camp. I think there's something horrible about that. Racist. Fair enough.

Racism's not camp. Turning the built-in Zoom filters to max or the part of Cruella where dogs killed her family or whatever. This is a tough one. Because I feel like turning the Zoom filter to the max is, in its heart, incredibly camp. You know, you're pushing for something and you're bringing people in. You know what I mean? Yeah.

You're smoothing out your face and putting your face forward. Exactly. Exactly. Smooth and forward. And then Cruella. You can't, how do you out-camp Cruella? Yeah.

I think there's an element of camp where you can't be trying too hard, though. And there's something, maybe a little try hard. Our use for Zoom. About getting killed by a bunch of dogs. A little sweaty. Do you think a prequel

is inherently un-camp because you must be dropped into the camp to understand and appreciate the camp? To explain the camp is to make it un-camp. Does that make sense?

I don't know. Absolutely. That sounds right. Hey, I went to college for a little while at least. I've started this Susan Sontag article about three times and never finished it. I have like so meaning to read it before we did this segment on my show. I have it on a wish list.

You know what? We're giving it to the Zoom filter. I feel like that's where our hearts were. That's where our hearts were. I feel right about that. I think this one, I'm curious what you think. Jeff Bezos going to space or Jeff Bezos dying in space?

Dying in space. It's just clear. It's just so clear. Because look, here's the thing. I don't know exactly when Jeff Bezos is going to space.

He really may die up there. No amount of money makes safe space. Safe space. Space safe. No amount of money makes safe, no amount of money makes space a safe place. A safe space. No amount of money makes safe space. Safe space. Space safe. No amount of money makes safe... No amount of money makes space a safe place.

A safe space. No amount of money makes space a safe space. The point is, Jeff Bezos may be dead in two weeks, at which point we won't be able to use this clip anymore, but for now, in this moment, living in the present, that works. I thought you were having an aneurysm. I did. I'm in real medical trouble.

Next. Chromatic Oreos or double-stuffed Oreos? I did. I'm in real medical trouble. Next, Chromatic Oreos or Double Stuffed Oreos? I think I know where your heart is. I know what you want to say. My heart is in Double Stuffed Oreos.

Right? I don't know what Chromatica Oreos are. So Lady Gaga for Chromatica released a line of Oreos. Oh, classic line of Oreos. in a Mexican restaurant

in Carmel-by-the-Sea. Camp. Okay, that wins. But I think you're right that double stuffed Oreos are more camp because they're not assuming, they are what they are. It was like an Oreo executive was just like, but what about double? And that worked. Also the use of the word stuff in this situation I think is important.

To be stuffed is camp. To be stuffed. This camp. Is being stuffed camp? Yes. Incredibly. Incredibly. Mar-a-Lago or Joe Manchin's houseboat, which is called Almost Heaven. A West Virginia senator, he invites bipartisan groups of senators onto his houseboat.

The Almost Heaven is a camp. Is there like a river in West Virginia that they go to? A lake? Oh no, it's in D.C. It's on the Potomac. It's his home away from home. Yeah, he doesn't spend time in West Virginia. I was just like, is it in a coal mine? Question, is there foam plateware on his

houseboat? There's just gotta be. I think we gotta go with the idea of a houseboat is camp. It is camp. Yeah, let's get Mar-a-Lago out of there. We don't have to think about it anymore, too. Get it out of there. Boom.

All right. The 2021 New York City mayoral race or TikTok grandmas. Is it Andrew Yang versus Eric Adams versus Maya Wiley versus Diane Morales versus Diane Morales' own campaign, which did eat itself alive? What? That was fucking. By the way, that's fucking camp. A campaign imploding the way that it did. I don't care.

Listen, I don't care about your politics, all right? That's fucking camp. Yeah. Gotta face it. I think sort of like making a bunch of queer people stop posting about pride for a second to then be like, I voted, that felt camp from afar. But TikTok grandmas is something I also know nothing about.

Sure, yeah. I also feel like the mayoral races need to focus on Times Square as though that is New York City, as the central place and location, as though people live and work in Times Square. People work. You don't understand. It's Times Square.

It's a board game of a place. You know what I mean? So I feel like, to me, it's the 2021 New York mayoral race. Yeah, I agree. All right. It's done. It's done. All right.

Next, 1991 film, Nothing But Trouble, starring Chevy Chase, Demi Moore, Dan Aykroyd. Dan Aykroyd playing a judge, as well as, I believe, two giant evil babies versus Bitcoin. It's tough. It's a tough one. It's a toughie. It's it's tough. It's a tough one. It's a toughie. It's a tough one. It's a toughie. Because you have a fake thing completely made up that's destroying the Amazon.

Which is camp. Destroying the Amazon is camp. It's camp. That's my understanding of Bitcoin, at least. And Venmo is trying to get me to use it. Or a campy movie. It's tough. It's tough. I think there's something camp about anything involving Dan Aykroyd, because he loves aliens. Oh, yeah. And vodka.

And vodka. Alien vodka. Alien vodka. Crystal head. He seems well. I don't know. Chevy Chase is like a huge asshole, though. So I'm... Is he here? Oh, my God.

Sorry. We're going with nothing but trouble. It's been chosen. It's done. Bitcoin is done. It's just destroying the Amazon down there. All right. Let's do a lightning round to get to the most camp on this board.

Fanfic about Shrek versus the Imagine Celebrity video for which Gal Gadot issued a semi-apology about her heart being in the right place, but it not maybe having the right tone. Imagine Celebrity video for me. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Fanfic about Shrek. It's more erotic. That's right.

Yeah. Not the fanfic that I watch. Read? I don't know. All fanfic is inherently erotica. That's what you need to know. That's right. Next up.

Turning the built-in Zoom filter to Max or Jeff Bezos dying in space. Space death for me. Yeah, let's go with Jeff Bezos. I mean, it's just, here's the thing. It's a, look, dark horse favorite. It's the duke of this thing. I don't know what that means. Boss baby dying in space is what we all, the movie we need to see.

Boss baby dying in space. Boss baby in space. Sorry. Double Soft Oreos versus Joe Manchin's houseboat. What's camp? Joe Manchin's houseboat. Come on. Come on.

Get these Double Soft Oreos over there. The 2021 Mayor's Race versus the 1991 film Nothing But Trouble. Reminder, it is about a coal mine town in which Dan Orgred is the judge. John Candy is both the cop and the wife. You know, I gotta go with Mayoral Race for me. I'll throw my hat in the ring on that one too. Okay. Wow. Times Square is just gonna outweigh Dan Orgrod.

Nothing but trouble. Trying too hard to beat camp. That's correct. Yeah. Alright, we're in the final four. Imagine versus Jeff Bezos. Dying in space. Just a reminder. You don't have to convince me. That one is... I just want to remind... This was in black and white

and they made eye contact with the camera. They looked into the camera for this. They took themselves so seriously in their 10 bedroom houses. edited it. Yes, it was edited. Really heavily edited.

One other thing just to add is that Jeff Bezos did film a video talking about how he always dreamed of going to space as if that's a fucking reason. Oh, you're the one who wanted to go to space? Yeah. He's a very unique guy. So what are we going with?

What are we going with? What's our answer? It's a big decision. I think for me, Jeff Bezos is so buff now. The idea of his whole face imploding as he loses oxygen in the last moment. And his veins pop out. And he turns the way cold people die in space. Dying in space is a very camp way to die.

Yeah, that's tough to argue with. You good? Yeah, I'll go with it. I'm happy to. I mean, you made a really strong case for this, but... I'm happy to imagine all the people that died in space. Joe Manchin's

houseboat. By the way, surprising performer, Joe Manchin's houseboat. I would have thought it would have lost earlier. Cinderella story. Joe Manchin's houseboat. Almost heaven being camp versus the New York mayor's race. What do you think? I want to go with the mayoral race because I don't want to see Joe Manchin win anything. Yeah, I feel good about

that. That's good. Alright, it is time for the final two. What do they call it? A finale. Finale. They call it the season finale of June madness. The finals. Oh, they call it the finals. What's the four one called?

The gruesome foursome? The quad, quad, semi-finals. Final four. Final four and semi-finals. The fab four. Who takes the camp prize? The Sontag, the Santi, the Susan. What do you think?

I know who I want, and it's that sweet, sweet death. the Susan what do you think I know who I want and it's that sweet sweet death yeah I'm happy to go with death to Jeff Bezos

you know I'm happy to go with it just like full like George Clooney in gravity him being like I'm gonna do a spacewalk and then somebody

being like and him floating away and then a little bit of total recall with it yes it just cuts it literally cuts to total recall. Well, we have our champion, the campiest of camp.

It's Jeff Bezos, dying in space. We did it. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, RV and Brendan Scan to R.B. and Brendan Scannell. Up next, he is an actor, writer, and a hilarious stand-up. Here to tell jokes while standing up, please welcome Jared Goldstein. We're sitting. Hi.

How are you? This is great. I'm so excited to be here. I've been told that I have a unique look, and I agree. I once got a text from a friend that said at Trader Joe's, saw a lesbian from behind, thought it was you. And I texted back, I'm

at Trader Joe's. Love TJ's. Yes. Hate Uber. I hate Uber. And I know that that's brave to say in front of so many Uber drivers. Thank you for the gum. So I just got my very first car.

It is a brand new 2011 Mazda 2. Thank you. It has 115,000 miles on it. It's going to explode. It will. I don't know anything about cars, but Kelly Blue Book Value is a great drag name. This much we know.

Yeah. When I was a kid, I used to flip coins. Heads, I'm straight. Tails, I'm flipping again. Yes. I was closeted all through high school. My prom date was super religious. So she was like, okay, when we meet my parents, we have to act like nothing is going to happen here tonight. And I was like, great. When we meet my parents, we have to act like something is going to happen here tonight. And I was like, great. When we meet my parents, we have to act like something is going to happen here tonight. Yeah.

Everyone called me Metro because I had sex on a train. And everyone thinks that I'm a bottom. Turns out people are pretty good at thinking. You think right. So if anybody here thinks they're a top, you know where to find me. Yes, I love MMA, but for the wrong reasons, obviously.

It is literally gay porn. That's why you have to pay for it. It is so hot the MMA stands for ma ma ma ma ma ma ma ma thank you actually as a kid I was put in karate class

which is racist and I was actually kicked out of that class which was homophobic. My favorite is when straight guys are like, sorry, I'm straight. Right?

Like, letting me down easy. It's like, come on, man. Like, if anything happened here, you would be the least hot guy I have ever been with. And I would be minimum third hottest woman you've ever been with. And I would be minimum third hottest woman you've ever been with. Thank you! Straight guys, right?

I could just choke them until I cum. Hi, Mom. She's watching. Did you guys know that a few years back, the actress Faye Dunaway, she got sued by her gay assistant for calling him a little homosexual boy.

If we can sue for that, I am getting paid! Also, I am getting paid! Also, I am getting sued. That's my go-to. And sometimes I wonder if my life would be easier if I were straight. Mostly because at least twice a day, a woman will tell me,

oh, I wish you weren't gay. And it's like, yeah, well, I wish you weren't my. And it's like, yeah, well, I wish you weren't my mom. Call it even. We got a snort. That was great. Yeah. I'm so excited that we're all back together

and we're getting to be in the same room and we can perform again. One of my favorite shows ever, I got to perform at an LGBT center for gay seniors. They were so cute. They were all like in their 30s. Sounds like we got some golden girls here tonight. All right, that's my time.

I'm Jared Goldstein. Thanks, everyone. Guys, give it up for Jared Goldstein. That was so funny. I've got to go down in the valley, okay, where the girls get naked. If you throw in bands, they surely gonna shake it, all right? That's from the show P-Valley,

and there's a character there called Uncle Clifford. She's this non-binary badass motherfucker, honey. Okay, if you're not watching P-Valley, I need you to go on and get your star subscription. That is the best LGBTQ character on television, probably in a long time, okay? For me, for the past few years, has been Roger from American Dad.

Now, if you're not like a 14-year-old at heart, you may not know this show, but it's like a conservative family structure cartoon. And then Roger is their alien that they live with who is like pansexual, non-binary. I just think it's so cool that the most advanced character, you know, this character that's like thousands of years old

and so wise and so advanced is queer. And I think that's very cool. Don't go anywhere. This is Love It or Leave It, and there's more on the way. And we're back. Queer people, we love finishing each other's sentences. When you connect with someone on the level that we do, it's like being able to read someone else's

mind. So we took the classic American game show password, we made it gayer, and here we are. Here's how it works. One partner will get a queer term along with three phrases they cannot use to describe it. Their partner will have to guess that term. Here to play, she is the first drag queen elected to public office in the U.S.

Please welcome Maybe A Girl. Hi. Welcome, welcome. Thank you for being here. Of course. I'm going to be here. So exciting. And she is an incredible stand-up and newly minted action star.

Please welcome Tig Notaro. We're shaking. Oh, kiss your own hand. That's so cool. That's such a cool move. Thank you. Never seen somebody kiss their own hand. So thank you both for being here

and agreeing to play our password game. You each have your clues, and we will start. One of you will have the clue, and there are forbidden words that you are not allowed to say. Matt is going to show the audience what it is, and then in post, we're going to put it up on the screen. It's low tech.

We're figuring it out. It's our first show back. Shut up about it. We're doing the best we can. It's a really good show so far, I think. Let's kick it off. And I'm going to be here to monitor to make sure that you don't say any of the words you're not allowed to say.

Tig, you want to kick us off? Okay, because this is a podcast, I'm going to tell you what the secret phrases and the forbidden phrases are. For this one, the secret phrase is Brokeback Mountain. The forbidden phrases are, I wish I knew how to quit you, Jake Gyllenhaal, and Heath Ledger. I can say it's a movie.

You bet. Thelma and Louise. That's right. Oh my God, is it really? No. Oh God. It was a good guess. It's going so good so far.

Alright, so it's a movie. The Mask. These are such good guesses. They're such good guesses and you're not helping her at all. That's without any clues. And I'm assuming you mean Mask with Cher. Yeah, not Mask with Mask.

Okay, so it's a movie with... With Cher? You said mermaids. No, it's not with Cher. I've really misled you. It is a movie. It's a gay male movie. Not familiar. It's kind of country.

Brokeback Mountain. You got it. You got it. You got it. That was good. That was good. One clue. One clue.

Maybe you're up. I'm going to win this. The secret phrase is Caitlyn Jenner. The forbidden phrases are Kardashian, Olympics, governor, and vehicular manslaughter. All right. So this is a person. They're running for office. It's not me, even though I'm running for Congress in this district,

California District 28. But they're not running for this person. I know the answer. She's not doing it. I know the answer. And you probably don't like her. I know the answer, but also the answer just went up on the screen. Did you?

You saw it, though? You saw it? For sure I saw it. That's why I'm telling you about it. Come on, Matt. Come on. Trying to run an operation here. We're trying to raise money for trans people.

Do you not care about that? I drove 12 minutes to play this game. 12 minutes to get in the car. Rush hour. She also drove somewhere. Caitlyn Jenner. Yes. I just want you all to know that one of the phrases you weren't allowed to use was vehicular manslaughter. Rush hour. She also drove somewhere. Caitlyn Jenner. Yes. Yes.

I just want you all to know that one of the phrases you weren't allowed to use was vehicular manslaughter. I never said that. I never said vehicular manslaughter, even though I thought it. I should have done this. Caitlyn Jenner. Just read it off the screen there. Tig, you're up.

Your clue is next. The secret phrase is drag race. The forbidden phrases are RuPaul, reality show, and queen. You're doing so great. Who's winning, by the way? You're both winning. That's what Pride's all about. Okay.

This is a TV show. The seventh heaven. I love the aggressive guessing. You are so good. It's the Waltons. I'm sorry. Oh, my God. Walmart.

It is a TV show and the host RuPaul's Drag Race? Yes. Shut up. Am I right? You got it. You got it. Wow. You know what this is? Okay. That was too easy. Here's what I think. Here's what I think is you're making it look easy but there's a connection that's wordless.

Thankfully. There's a connection and we're intelligent. It's worthless? It's wordless, thankfully. There's a connection, and we're intelligent. It's worthless? It's wordless. Oh, I was like... You two have a worthless connection. Maybe you're up. The secret phrase is Stonewall. The forbidden phrases are brick, riot,

and Marsha P. Johnson. Okay, so it's not a rock, but something else. It's up on Okay, so it's not a rock, but something else. It's up on... What? It's up on... It's up on...

Yale, you're... Did Tig pay you? What is going on? I like this guy's style. So do you know the answer already? It's not a rock. It's... Is it a stone? It is, and it's not a rock. Is it a stone?

It is. It's like a barrier. A wall? Stone wall? You got it! Amazing. Oh my god, you're so good. Wait, is that part? What's happening? Here's what's happening.

Tell me what's happening. Listen, I am an action star You are And I drove 12 minutes to be here I drove 16 16? Well, I gotta ride Never mind

That's 28 minutes of time Yeah And we have a worthless connection Wordless Wordless Like kindred Like a connection that is Both above and below words

Above and beyond Above and beyond And Above and beyond. And then sometimes the answers are being shown to you. And that is part of it. It is? Just don't look. Now it's part of it. Okay.

Now it's part of it. Now I'm in. Now I get it. Words you weren't allowed to say there, brick. Oh, I said brick, didn't I? You know what? You're doing so great. Baby, you go. Oh, okay. Okay, and I'm not going know what? You're doing so great. Baby, you go.

Oh, okay. Okay, and I'm not going to look up. I'm not going to look anywhere. Just like look down. Close your eyes. The secret phrase is the Abbey. The forbidden phrases are bar, West Hollywood, and cocktails. Okay, so this is like a church.

It's a place where a lot of gay people hang out. Wait, is gay a word I can use? It's a church. It's a church where a lot of gay people hang out. Wait, is gay a word I can use? It's a church. It's a church where a lot of gay people can hang out in a part of town that's like, it's not technically LA, but it's like its own city in LA. And there's not really a priest,

but there might be in a typical situation. I feel like I should look up at the screen. So a lot of gay people, they work on their midsection. Those are their it's the Abbey. Is it? It is. This was

terrible. This was terrible. This was terrible. I'm not. This is my first show back in a really long time, and I'm really trying my best. What is he doing? I'm not trying my best.

You're doing great. Thank you, Tig. But I don't, I mean, I'm like. It's a staff problem is what you're saying. Exactly. It's a problem with the crew. I wanted to see if I was good at something. You gotta go to confession.

You're really good at it. Honestly, here's why. Here's a problem with the crew. I wanted to see if I was good at something. You've got to go to confession. You're really good at it. Honestly, here's why. Here's why. The goal, ultimately, beneath the goal, was to have a good time and make people laugh. You know? We did it. We did it.

Is that it already? I'm happy to do another one. Let's do one more. Let's do one more. Let's do one more. Let's do one more. Don't look. Don't look.

Don't look. Don't look at the screen. Look down. I cannot believe you won't stop. I cannot believe you won't stop. I cannot believe you won't stop doing it. Stop doing it. All right. Don't look up.

Did you look up? The secret phrase is Rachel Maddow. The forbidden phrases are MSNBC, lesbian, and news. No, no, no. I swear I didn't. I swear I didn't look. This is a person, and she tells people things that happened recently. Every day, Monday through Friday, she tells people.

Siri, Alexa. No. People tune in to know what's going on in her opinion. She has an opinion and she has a short haircut. Tignitaro. No. But getting warmer.

Getting warmer. I need one more hint. She lives in New York. She does not have a husband. Okay, that eliminates Ivanka Trump. But like, you know, she's not on CNN. What is she on? That's the question.

What is she on? She does not have a husband. She has short hair. She lives in New York. She is not on CNN. And she tells people about things that recently are happening that day. I'm at a loss. Are you serious?

I was going to say Sarah Jessica Parker, but she's got long hair. Sarah Jessica Parker? How does she tell people what happened? Sex of the city, baby. how does she tell people what happened sex of the city baby no like um oh there was um uh this political thing happened or like this um tornado happened this political tornado oh no the vax the virus those recent kind of things not Not on CNN with short hair. She lives in upstate New York. I am so lost.

I'm so lost. Do you know what she might do? She might be an actress or a politician. No. She goes on TV that's not CNN. Fox? Here's what I want to know, Tig. Do you want me to stop this? Or are you having fun? It's really up to Fox. Here's what I want to know, Tig. Do you want me to stop this?

Or are you having fun? It's really up to you. I do. I want to go on to the next one. Actually, I want to know the answer. The answer was Rachel Maddow. Oh, God. Sarah Jessica Parker. Actually, honestly, I think that's a great answer for

pride. Who lives in New York, doesn't have a husband and tells you what's going on my answer is Sarah Jessica Parker yeah when does she tell people what's going on maybe final clue okay alright this is gonna be a tough one it's gonna be a tough one actually I've got two left so I'm gonna

pick the tougher of the two I would pick the easier of the two the secret phrase is mama mia 2 here we go again the forbidden phrases are meryl streep abba and musical so it's a movie it was also a stage performance where people sing i can't say a. Okay, so it's where... Greece? No, that's also a good guess. But it's a place where, I don't know, it's a Greek island.

And I think, wait, I hope to God that's true. I think it's a Greek island. I think it's a sequel. I think it's an actress who knows how to do it all. And... Is it me? No, and it's an actress who knows how to do it all. Is it me? No, and it's not me either. It's also a musical group that was really well known in the 70s. Andy Gibb.

No, actually not Andy Gibb. Never mind. But it's a movie, really popular. Na, na, na, na. Na, na, na, na, na. Na it's, you know, a movie, really popular. Na-na-na-na. Na-na-na-na-na. Na-na-na. Da-da-da-da-da. The Bee Gees?

Why did you say the Bee Gees? I thought it was. It's like, I feel like related, but not really. Oh. Na-na-na-na. Da-da-da-da-da. I think you're doing really good. Is that doing anything for you?

Do-be-do. No. Mama Mia 2. I think you're doing really good. Is that doing anything for you? No. Mamma Mia 2. It was Mamma Mia 2. Not one, but two. That's why I was like, this is hard. Number two. I was like, I'm barely going with number one, but number two.

There's no way. I don't know how this is possible, but this is both the worst segment and the best segment we've ever done in the history of Love It or Leave It. Tig Notaro, Maybe A Girl. This was incredible. Thank you so much. It was so nice to meet you. So nice to meet you. When we come back, if we have a great conversation about the work of the Trans Justice Fund, check it out.

Just a reminder that this chaos is not for nothing. We are raising money for the Trans Justice Funding Project. Go to crooked.com slash pride fund to donate. We already raised $50,000 with a live stream, but I know we can beat that. Crooked.com slash pridefund. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Marriage equality for decades. It was a threat to society itself. Republican politicians across the country fanned prejudice and enshrined bigotry into state laws and constitutions. And then just like that, they lost.

Marriage equality became the law of the land. Society survived and right-wing politicians went searching for their next target. And so this pride is a moment of unprecedented visibility for trans people and the issues facing the trans community. But it's also a pride defined by a very real threat to the lives of trans people, especially trans kids, with bills targeting youth sports and health care

popping up in state legislature all across America. So we've assembled some of the best folks around to celebrate pride and help us figure out what we can do to help in these fights. Gabriel Foster is the executive director of the Trans Justice Funding Project, which is what we're raising money for today. Danica Rome is the first out transgender person to be elected to the Virginia General Assembly and the first to both be elected and serve

while openly transgender in any US state legislature. And Andrea Jenkins is a writer, performance artist, poet, and first African-American openly trans woman to be elected to office in the United States. Welcome to all of you. Happy Pride. Thank you so much for being here. Happy Pride to you as well. Happy Pride. Happy Pride so much for being here. Happy Pride, everybody.

Happy Pride. You know, this has been a really hard year. It's been a really hard year in terms of a pandemic. It was a really chaotic and brutal election year with a lot of anxiety along the way, culminating in an insurrection. And it's also been a time defined by an assault on the rights of trans people in this country. time defined by an assault on the rights of trans people in this country. As you look back on this year, and as we're in this sort of summer of emerging, you know, Gabriel, I want to start with you. Like, how are you feeling as you head into these sort of fights to come? You know, as a part of TJFP, and including the donors and the people who give their money and their time, but also like spread the word on Instagram or Facebook or social media, like,

this is really a community labor of love that I hope is as regenerating to other people as it is to me. And just reaffirms that like there's so much power and what people can do if we can come together and find our purpose and find our place and move something. And so that's the thing that, you know, despite it all, like just again, like gives me hope at the end of the day and gives me a sense of purpose too, because I get to contribute to this as well. Andrew, Gabriel mentioned your work with the Trans Justice Funding Project. And look, before we started, let's just face it, you came on and you said, you're only

doing this because we're supporting the Trans Justice Project. You could give a shit about Love It or Leave It, and I respect the hell out of that. I respect the hell out of that. So can you talk a little bit about what what you've sort of taken from your time working with the trans justice funding project and kind of what lessons you've you've learned from it? We gave away $1.3 million this year. The first year, we gave away $55,000. So the level of growth and the number of organizations that TGFP is able to support, lift up, highlight is just incredible. 308 organizations you said this year, Gabriel? 308 organizations, you said this year, Gabriel? Phenomenal. Just incredible. And these people are doing organizing all around the country and not just for trans people, as Gabriel mentioned.

One of the things that you didn't mention, John, in your sort of recap of this past year is that we also had the murder of George Floyd, which was right here in my district, which also spurred a conversation around white supremacy and racial reckoning, not only here in the United States, but all around the world. And quite interestingly, trans people of color were at the forefront of starting those marches, leading that movement. Black Visions Collective, which is queer and trans-led, has been on the forefront of talking about shifting how we keep our communities safe, which is a conversation that we all are impacted by and all have a responsibility to be a part of. So Danica, you know, you're on the front lines of this fight, both as a, I think for a lot of people, the first trans politician they've ever, maybe ever seen, uh, maybe for some people, the first trans person

they've ever met in real life while you've been campaigning. I know you've talked about that in the past. Um, you've also been part of these fights inside the legislature and have, have been able to win some fights. Uh, you know, in Virginia, there was a, uh, trans bathroom bill that was defeated. Uh, can you talk a little little bit about what you've taken from the fights of the past few years in the legislature? The thing I would tell you about the fights of the last few years in the legislature that applies to today is that you have to understand going into these policy fights, when Republicans were in control versus when Democrats are in control now, you cannot be nihilistic about this. Despondency does not create legislation.

Despondency will not get your bills passed. No matter how bad it gets, you have to find that well-reserved that you can tap on to actually be optimistic enough to want to pursue public policy so that you can not only defeat bad bills, but you can eventually be in a place to pass good bills. We've now passed about two dozen, actually more than two dozen pieces of pro-LGBTQ pieces of legislation since January of 2020. And we have passed more pro-LGBTQ equality bills in the last two years than the prior four centuries of Virginia government combined. Four centuries, dating back to the 1619 founding of the Virginia House of Burgesses, which is the same year,

by the way, that the first enslaved Africans arrived at Fort Monroe here in Virginia against their will and actually built this, you know, what was then a colony, built what is now the Commonwealth, even though they did not have a say and they were forced into doing it. And by the way, I spent Juneteenth in Dumfries standing at a ceremony there where it was a historic slave cemetery. historic slave cemetery. And you came to realize that while you stand there, that the very people that Juneteenth was supposed to be about never got to experience it from who we were standing, you know, in the area where we were standing on at the time, because they died. And in my district, in the 13th district, in the little community of Thoroughfare,fare there was there's a brewery that cleared out um a historic black and native american cemetery over there because they didn't know that it was there but this is one of those things where we have to recognize that very often when black people in america were killed or they died especially in this time they weren't given

etchings on a on a headstone the way that you and i know them it was a simple rock placed in the ground a stone that was it right now the reason i mentioned all of that and i want to tie it back to this is that every fight for justice that we have every fight for inclusivity every fight for, we have to remember the intersections where all this comes together, right? We have to remember that what happens to one group one day, it can happen to another group the next day, right? When it's negative, at the same time, the positive policy wins that we actually have. We can do this across the board. And just because trans people have a good day in Virginia one day, doesn't mean we can't help immigrants another day. We can't help people of color. It doesn't mean we can't help women. We

can't help whoever it is. We can do all of this. We like to say it's about chewing gum and walking at the same time. I think it's a little bit more complex than that. But at the same time, I very, very much do think that if the people who we work to elect have the wherewithal to have the empathy needed to listen and to use our platforms to elevate historically underrepresented communities, then at that same time, we're all lifting and we're all rising together. We're all doing this together and we're all in it together to make, in our case, Virginia a more inclusive Commonwealth and nationally, the United States a more inclusive commonwealth, and nationally, our United States a more inclusive America. That's the goal.

Sometimes I think what's amazing to me about Pride is it's an opportunity to say not just that LGBT people should be tolerated, not just that we don't deserve worse than what other people have, not just that we're not a threat, not just that trans people don't pose a threat to athletics, to schools, to what have you, but that actually gay people, trans people, LGBT people bring something good and wonderful to our world worth celebrating, not just worth tolerating, worth celebrating. What does pride mean to you in terms of not just the bad stuff we stop, but the good stuff that LGBT people offer to this world? Yeah, like I think of it as a reflection and an honoring and also a time to make offerings for folks. You know, I want to do this work or I want to live in this life

to do something different for like the 15 or 16 year old version for Gabriel, right? Like I want to be able to participate and make sure that someone who, whether they're that a teenager or not, whether, whether they're located, that they know that there's a lot of different ways to celebrate pride, but also it's about taking action and making sure that we can celebrate and honor or do whatever, but also that we can make sure it's extended beyond my like friends that I want to go drinking with on pride, right. Or like it can extend beyond like the city that I live in for the folks who are in rural communities and small towns the people that like don't get to go to an actual pride celebration or parade like I want to make sure that whatever I'm doing is supporting and honoring and uplifting and resourcing the folks that like don't have that

opportunity or could use it more, right? Like there are plenty of people that live in places like I do too, or have had similar experiences, but it doesn't mean that their work or their visions, their solutions to violence and criminalization are honored and resourced. So I really do think like, you know, as much as I want to have a good time, I also want to make something better than what we have now for the folks, not just in the future, but for the folks tomorrow. And I think we all have're able to do to make sure that like this gets to be a day of like honoring, reckoning and celebration as well. Danik, how do you think of pride in that context about a moment to not just stop those that would attack the rights of LGBT people, but a moment to celebrate the good that LGBT people bring. To be super dramatic about it, I don't think you could necessarily say that the entire war was won because of a single gay man. But Alan Turing absolutely contributed to the Allied victory

of World War II as a gay man who was later prosecuted for being a gay man. And this is someone who was, you know, one of the ultimate code breakers, right? In the Battle of the Atlantic. This is someone who, you know, just had put himself out there to help the entire world, was later chemically castrated when he was found to have broken indecency law, right? And he died shortly thereafter. That is kind of the legacy of, you know, how a lot of LGBTQ people over the years have been treated, right? Even in doing good things and doing heroic things that the second someone finds out that they're LGBTQ, they're automatically dismissed

and shunned away from society. And I think that's just kind of an example that I want to show of, look at the things we can contribute. You know, just, you know, LGBTQ people, we make up, you know, every sort of demographic group on the planet. It's who we are. And to deny the contributions of LGBTQ people is to deny a very basic tenant of reality and humanity, that we exist and that we do good things and we help. And some of us do stuff that's messed up and some of us make mistakes and some of us do everything else. That's part of us too. We're not superhuman, we're just human. And we ask to be treated with that same respect and basic decency of humanity that is extended automatically across the board, or at least it should be.

Andrew, over to you. I want to add, if you have anything to add, just sort of reflections on Pride, building off what Gabriel and Danica said. I think Pride really reminds me that there's just so much more work to do. Trans women, this is one of the most violent years for trans and gender nonconforming people on record. And I believe that part of the reason why so many trans and gender nonconforming people are in these precarious situations is because we don't have

access to housing. We don't have access to safe and affordable health care, to employment, to job training, to education. And this time of year really brings those issues to light. But it is a time, as I said earlier, to connect with old friends. I mean, literally, I have a whole set of acquaintances that I probably only see at Pride. And so it's an opportunity to kind of reconnect and have those kinds of reunions that fuel us for the next year and lets us know that community is how big and strong our community is, because it's easy as you're going through day-to-day challenges of life to forget that there is a whole community out there that's struggling and fighting to effectuate full equity and equality. I think that's the beauty of Pride, is to have those connections and make those reconnections. Really beautifully said. And I hope people do support the Trans Justice Funding

Project. It is putting money into the hands of local organizations run by and for trans people all across the country, selected by people who really dig into what can do the most good for the most people all over America. Gabriel Foster, Danica Rome, Andrea Jenkins, thank you so, so much for your time. Happy Pride, and thank you for all the work that you're doing this Pride to keep up this fight. Cheers, my dear. Cheers. And we're back.

I want to thank Andrea Jenkins, Danica Rome, and Gabriel Foster for that conversation and for the work of the Trans Justice Funding Project corporations. Since they're people, that means they can be gay people too, and that's inclusivity. But the funny thing about these pride-waving multinational conglomerates is that they have

a nasty habit of giving money to politicians who do our community a lot of harm. It's almost as if they view a young cosmopolitan, diverse, queer, engaged online audience as customers worth harvesting, but not actually worth a moral stand when it comes to keeping politicians, even hateful ones, receptive to their calls. Because corporations are amoral by design, unfeeling, and made

to serve the interests of the corporation exclusively. Which means it's time for a game we call Rainbows in the Tweets, Stars and Bars in the Sheets. Here to play, we have Keep It's Own, Ira Madison, the third. Are we dropping the third? Are we losing the third? I don't know. There's just people are talking. The pandemic died. The pandemic killed the third. And Louis Vertel. So good to see you both.

Thanks for being here. Ira is wearing shorts like he's Bjorn Borg. Just not professional at all. I mean, you know what? He pulls it off, and that's why you're mad. Okay, okay. Before we start, just one thing that's been on my mind tonight. What is a circuit party, and do you know? Because I legit don't know what it means when people say... I'm not joking. I know that I've literally been embarrassed to ask. What is the circuit? What circuit?

The deal is, it's a warehouse party type situation where situation where I'll say a muscular type hangs out, dances. There might be some drugs involved. And it's called a circuit because they go all over the country. There'll be like a big party in one city and then another party elsewhere. And there's like an email list or something, I assume. And what I always do at a circuit party. Yes, they have the internet. What I always do at a circuit party is drink my Jura whiskey.

Lewis, who's the gayest straight person to win an acting Oscar? Gayest straight person to win an Oscar? Tilda Swinton. Got it.

That's correct. Ira, is the fact that you were banned from Twitter for briefly impersonating Beto O'Rourke and saying you'd release nudes if Democrats won Texas,

was that a hate crime? What happened to you? It was a hate crime. I agree. Thank you. Also, when I did it, Jack didm me and call me a faggot no he didn't don't try to chrissy teigen jack cheated that those dms aren't real people are making up dms then jack should prove it what does that mean how can you prove you didn't send a DM? If you heard the way he said it, it was really nice. Alright, here's how the game

works. I'm going to tell you a fact about a corporation which uses pride to take our money and then give it to politicians who do harm. And you tell us if it's true or not. Okay. You'll compete. Lewis, a company created a virtual online pride world complete with computer generated floats, rainbow flags, and pronoun guide for employees. That same company had

donated over 1.1 million to anti-LGBTQ politicians since 2019. That strikes me as not only true, but standard. Yes. It's true, standard, and Comcast. You got it. Ira, Skittles took away the rainbow from their candies, selling monochrome bags of the fruity candy that say,

there's only one rainbow that matters during Pride. That sounds ugly. Yeah. Is it true or false? Oh. I think false. It's true. Skittles really did that. Oh.

That's why I don't eat Skittles. I remember this campaign because the package is black and white. They took away the rainbow for the month, right? Yeah. I've never been a Skittles person. M&Ms. Of course. Yeah.

Who eats Skittles? I don't get Skittles. Yeah. You know who eats Skittles person. M&Ms. Of course. Yeah. Who eats Skittles? I don't get Skittles. Yeah. You know who eats Skittles? Jack. Classic Jack. Classic Jack. Lewis, over to you.

In a rainbow-colored Instagram post, Lucky Charms hinted, only hinted, that Lucky the Leprechaun is pansexual. That's it? That's all you got? Hinted that he was pansexual. I'll say true because hint strikes me as something you can liberally define. False.

Damn it. False. A company tweeted, Ira, we can hashtag turn up the love for LGBTQ plus youth together along with a rainbow of heart emojis. In the last two years, this same company has donated to sponsors of anti-trans legislation in five different states. I think it's true. And I think it was Crooked Media. How dare you?

Oh, please. Please. Like, we have that kind of operation. It was AT&T. I've seen Tommy's checking out. Oh, please. You know damn well Tommy's an ally. That's true.

A company, Lewis, added a Pride and Joy section to their website. I'm slandering Tommy. He's not even here to, Lewis, added a pride and joy section to their website. I'm slandering Tommy. Not even here to defend himself. He wasn't invited. He was. He didn't want to come. They had a meeting. The attention had to stay on you today. It's my day. It's my month.

Don't applaud that. I don't deserve it. Lewis. Okay. A company added a Pride and Joy section to their website where you can buy Pride-themed products such as rainbow jewelry, clothing, and party supplies. They've also donated over $400,000 to 121 politicians who got a zero rating from the human rights campaign in just the last two years. I'm going to say true.

I wish the answer would occur to me. I want to say it's like Claire's Jewelry or something, but it's not. It was Walmart. It was Walmart. Ira, the NRA ran a social media campaign for Pride featuring two women making eyes at each other at a gun rage with the tagline it's Pride, take your shot.

True or false, Ira? That would have worked on me. False. Correct. It was false. Lewis, over to you. A company tweeted, Hashtag pride is a time of celebration, reflection, visibility, and affirmation for the LGBT community, and they've donated over $100,000 to nearly 50 anti-LGBTQ legislators. This sounds a lot like the other ones that are true.

I'm going to say true. It is. It's Wells Fargo. A beer producer, Ira, put up a poster of a rainbow-colored bottle of beer next to an LGBTQ acrostic that reads, Let's grab beers tonight, Queens.

Ira would say that for the record. Yeah, it's okay when we say it. Yeah. Let's grab beers tonight, Queens. See, now I want one. I feel false. It was true, and it was Anheuser-Busch. They don't sell their beers at Stonewall Inn

because of their anti-gay contributions. Let's not grab beers tonight, Queens. Or grab a different beer. Different beer, for sure. A Zima. A Zima. Perhaps a Zima. Perhaps we'll grab a different beer. Different beer, for sure. A Zima. A Zima. Perhaps a Zima. Perhaps we'll grab a Zima.

Lewis, the U.S. Army posted a series of vlogs featuring queer officers on their official YouTube page channel titled, Please Ask, Do Tell. We need to not be making puns, wordplay based on that anymore. False. That was true. No way. They really did that. The army has let me down.

No, they also have been posting videos like what your sign tells you where you should be put in the army. Didn't like it. That said, I do applaud the renaissance of the phrase do tell. Do tell. It's something a nefarious gay person says

in an old movie. Do tell. Yeah, it's like something Iago says. Yes. What would you do in the army? Math. I hope. Okay.

I don't know who's up, but for both of you, you can guess. Pfizer released an ad campaign that just had two Viagra pills in front of two glasses of water, and the tagline said, whether it's for one of you or both of you, love is love. No. I made it up.

You're right. Okay. I didn't know Pfizer did other things. Like Viagra? You thought they just did the vaccine? Yeah. I thought they were like a new contender in the game. I'm sorry.

You know what, though? Look, I obviously, I've been a huge fan of Pfizer since well before this latest album. Why would I Google Pfizer? I don't even have the vaccine. I don't think it's right. What's in it? Who can say? That's right.

No one knows. Don't take the vaccine if you're listening. Okay. All right. As if people watching the Crooked media pride livestream are vaccine skeptics. There's no overlap on that Venn diagram. Give me a fucking break. And finally, Louis, to you,

an ad released in which old gay men told their coming out stories and the struggles they faced. This is a Shake Shack situation. Go on. You've got it. It is for real and true. The old gays are unshakable. Let's roll a clip.

I was growing up. My father was always trying to out me. Well, here I am, free, proud, and gay as can be. My father suddenly died while I was in college, and I wasn't sure about my future. But here I am today, 78, proud and still chugging along. Growing up, I was terrified to come out to my mom. No more, no more. Honestly, honestly, I gotta tell you, Twist, I love the ad. I love the campaign.

Good for Shayshack. We're too cynical. Agree or disagree? I mean, it's a shocking ad. So I will say I applaud because I remember it, but I don't know if that's a good thing. Is it trauma? It's a trauma. I think if you survive AIDS, you can do a Shay Shack commercial. I feel the same way.

They lived through it. It's a check. I know. But the way you said it made it hard to embrace, even though it's true. Well, because the implication is like, people who didn't make it wouldn't do a show check. Nope, nope. It was cool.

We are off the rails. We made it so close to the end without this happening. Louis Verdell, Ira Madison III, thank you so much for being here. That was so funny. Thanks for having us. Is this over?

Um, almost. Thank you both so much for being here. We're going to a high note. It's the Pride high note. Roll the high note. Oh, you know how there's a gay cousin

in every family? I've got news for you. That's me. I'm the gay cousin. Hi, my name is Izzy and the queer high note of my life has been my relationship with my wife Grace but especially the vow ceremony that we had last summer in my mother's backyard. My mother passed away last summer from stage four metastatic cancer, and before she passed away, I said I wanted to have a vow ceremony so that she could attend. My family and my friends

all came together to make the day extremely special. We had decorations, we had food, we had fun. My mother stayed awake through the entire thing. We were able to be outside for a long period of the day, and my friends all joined via Zoom and we had a beautiful vow ceremony that I will never forget. We were having a larger ceremony in 2023 with all of our family, but that is what I consider to be our wedding date and will remain the high point of my gay life for the rest of my gay life. Hey, my high note is that I'm just really grateful to be a bi producer and not straight media.

And that when I told my gay boss that I would have to miss our virtual pride parade to go to a straight wedding, he said, that's okay. We don't need you. I love it. My high note for the year is that for the first time this Pride I'll be out to my whole family. I didn't plan to do it. I've been a proud queer woman for the last 10 years and I only came out to my brother by accident when he said, oh, you know how there's a gay cousin in every family, I wonder what's Towers and I said I've got news for you that's me I'm the gay cousin and then he sent me this picture and said I know late last year we had family zoom and my

uncle made some on the flip joke and he said smiling as I would normally do I just said you know can you please not it's actually very offensive and he said oh I'm just kidding I would never say this in front of an actually gay person. And I said, guess what? You just did. And it was complete silence and we started talking about something else. Then right after the Zoom, I got a phone call from some members of my family who were very supportive. And I've never felt freer and more happy. Sometimes people might just surprise you, even the members of my very conservative Catholic family. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Sometimes people might just surprise you, even the members of my very conservative Catholic family.

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