Lovett or Leave It - Political Violence Bad

Episode Date: September 13, 2025

Tensions rise in the wake of Charlie Kirk's killing, as Trump and his allies blame the left before a suspect is in custody. Minnesota Rep. Leigh Finke stops to talk about trans freedom as the right tries to pin all of society's ills on trans people. The very funny Alex English, Punkie Johnson and River Butcher drop the gavel on your gayest little questions, and we end our week with a spin of the Rant Wheel, and boy, we’ve got plenty! Get tickets to LOLI NYC & more upcoming shows at Crooked.com/events.Get tickets to CROOKED CON November 6-7 in Washington, D.C at crookedcon.com.For a closed-captioned version of this episode, click here. For a transcript of this episode, please email [e-mail] and include the name of the podcast, episode title, and the date it was published. 

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Love it or leave it, it's love it, oh, leave it. What's up, Los Angeles? Welcome to Love and Relief. Live from Dynasty Typewriter. There is a lot to talk about this week. Minnesota Representative Lee Finky is here. She'll help us answer some of the big questions. Then Punky Johnson, Alex, English, and River Butcher join to tackle some of the smaller

And at the end, we closed with a classic, the rant wheel. But first, let's get into it. What a week. On Monday, McDonald's brought back the extra value meal. We also got the first look at Sidney-Sweeney playing a boxer and a trailer for the film, Christy. And if this were the 1990s, we talk about whether it's okay for women to have muscles. and if Bill Clinton could resist a jog to that Mickey D's by the White House. But it's not the 1990s.

It's 2025. Bill Clinton doesn't eat McDonald's anymore. He's a vegan, and he's in the Epstein Files. And the only question for Sidney-Sweeney is whether she supports eugenics. Also, as we were reminded this week, we live in an era of rising political violence. The horrific murder of Charlie Kirk on Wednesday is only the latest example. There were multiple attempts on Trump's life, the shootings of Democratic lawmakers in Minnesota, the attempted kidnapping of Gretchen Whitmer, the murder of CEO Brian Thompson, the attack on

Paul Pelosi, the murders outside the Capitol Jewish Museum, the attack on the CDC, the insurrection on January 6th, you could include the ideological motivations of mass shooters when those motivations are even comprehensible. And I'll just be honest with all of you that I have had a pit in my stomach ever since I saw the news. Universally elected Democrats have expressed their dismay. They've condemned the killing. They've denounced political violence. And here was Utah's Republican governor, Spencer Cox, offering what genuine leadership looks like. Our nation is broken. We've had political assassinations recently in Minnesota. We had an attempted assassination on the governor of Pennsylvania. And we had an attempted assassination on a presidential candidate and former president of the United States and now current president of the United States.

Nothing I say can unite us as a country. Nothing I can say right now can fix what is broken. We just need every single person in this country to think about where we are and where we are. and where we want to be. To ask ourselves, is this it? A speech so moving, we'll just brush past the fact that his name is Cox. But Utah's governor was, among Republicans,

the exception that proved the rule as politicians and prominent conservatives, not random shit posters, held half the country responsible for the killing. Here's what a member of Congress said on the House floor. There is no longer any middle ground. Some of the American left are undoubtedly well-meaning people. But their ideology is pure evil.

They hate the good, the truth, and the beautiful, and embrace the evil, the false, and the ugly. And you can add that to the list of examples of the House of Representatives being the absolute worst office job on earth. Imagine if you're at your job and your colleague from sales got up at all hands and said, the marketing team has one or two people I can tolerate, but the team as a whole is evil and hates all that is good and pure. Other than at Netflix, I can't think of an office culture where that is tolerated. Here's Alex Jones in a live stream from his Info Wars channel while driving. This is a war, this is a war, this is a war, this is the war.

Sorry, that was the wrong clip. That was just Alex Jones racing home to try to not completely shit his pants. And here's Trump from the Oval Office promising a crackdown against the left. For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to, Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly

responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now. My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it. Remember when a Democratic lawmaker and her husband were assassinated Minnesota and Trump said it would be a waste of time to call Governor Tim Walts? Hard to believe that was only 70 years ago. And look, I don't want to tell these guys how to do their jobs, but if you're going to use a political assassination's motivations as a justification for a broad crackdown against your opposition, you should catch the guy first. John Hinkley wanted to date Jody Foster. The guy that fired 29 rounds at the White House to kill Bill Clinton in 1994 claimed he was trying to stop an alien mist emanating.

from the Colorado mountains, and it worked. Meanwhile, as this was unfolding, the head of the FBI posted that the subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody, only for that person as well as another potential suspect to later be released. It is nice that all of Trump's appointees

can take turns absolutely whiffing it in the spotlight like this. Step aside, RFK Jr., it's Cash Patel's week to step on his own dick. Then the Wall Street Journal passed on a report that said the recovered ammunition was engraved with what it described as transgender and anti-fascist ideology, only to add a word of caution from a Justice Department official that said the report might not be accurate. But that's the good news about anti-trans hysteria. It goes right back in the tube, just no problem. The State Department also promised to revoke visas of non-citizens who made light of the killing on social media. please feel free to bring such comments by foreigners to my attention

so that the State Department can protect the American people, said the Undersecretary for online narks and bitter virgins. Obviously, there are many on the right that want to exploit this killing, but there are also others genuinely furious and rightfully so. But it's just so clear that part of what makes this political era so toxic is that even elected Republican leaders, supposed adults do not see it as their job

to take one step past raw emotion. into the slightly uncomfortable place next to it, where you can try to translate that anger without being completely compelled by it. And the fact that I'm the emotionally mature one here should be chilling to your core. These Republicans cannot see past their animosity, and they're led by a person

who has never understood wisdom well enough to pretend to have it. But there is a strain of this on the left, too. Even as we have broadly seen denunciations of political violence and the danger it poses, even as Democrats have, of course, modeled responsibility in a way Republicans increasingly cannot. There has been what Jackman described well as an almost competitive lack of empathy. And while the vilification of the left by those in power is not the same as indifference to Kirk's killing by those outside of it, both are part of the same problem, as was the celebration of the

death of Brian Thompson and the jokes after the attack on Paul Pelosi. And look, I love jokes, but jokes are like donuts, delightful in almost every situation. but useless when someone is attacking Paul Pelosi with a hammer. We live in a depraved era. There is a viciousness in us now. We are drowning in images of death and violence, and it enrages us against our opponents, radicalizes us while sapping us of our care and empathy.

We are sensitized and we are desensitized all at once. I understand. why people see the news of Kirk's death and display a lack of empathy and bristle at the suggestion that they're wrong not to feel what's proper. Especially when voices on the right have fomented so much hate,

incited violence, targeted vulnerable people, spread lies that tear at the fabric of society. And I'll be honest, there are jokes that I cannot and will not say, but not because they have not occurred to me. You all know me. I have that in me. I can go for a horrible joke.

I have a joke in my mind that would take the paint off of Buick. I'm not I would do that I'm not better than anybody else I'm not better than anybody else except for Dan I'm better than Dan

I'm kidding Dan's the best of us he's the best of us but this isn't about decorum or respect or performative grieving and it's not about defending Charlie Kirk's worldview even a little bit

it's not about what we owe them it's about what we owe each other assassinations are acts of arrogance and domination. Whatever the motive, it is an assumption of power stolen from each of us, no matter who it targets. It invites chaos and further violence. And if it doesn't disgust you viscerally, if you aren't horrified and enraged, I'm sorry, but I'd beg you to see past your animosity to enter that uncomfortable place where you see the humanity of those blaming us right now. I don't think we should fool ourselves into believing that doing that makes us weak or naive

about our opposition. That capacity is what makes us, the left, those who believe in an America far more generous and just and kind, different from the right. And ultimately, it is what gives us power. And that is how we get to the end of what is a depraved era without becoming depraved ourselves. And if all of this wasn't bad enough, the $5 breakfast special only applies to the sausage-egg McMuffin when obviously we all want the classic egg McMuffin and I swear to God

the left will pay for this all right when we come back I'm joined by state rep Lee Finke and boy am I glad Hey don't go anywhere there's more of Love It or Leave It coming up

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It's Lee Finkie. Hi, thank you for being here. Welcome. Thank you for the invitation. Hello, everyone. Nice to meet you in person. We talked briefly, and I was really, I really enjoyed our conversation.

But since the last time we spoke, you got married. I did, only like two weeks ago. Two weeks ago. Wow. Is it different? Not really. But it was a great wedding, so that was worth it.

Yeah, you did at the State Capitol. Yes, in the Minnesota State Capitol, and then we had a street party afterwards with dancing and pizza, and it was delicious. One of the largest freestanding marble domes in the world. That's right. That's right. The one right under it is St. Peter's Basilica in Brawn.

It's bigger than the one in St. Peter's Basilica? Wow. That's crazy, because I went to... I've been to both, actually. And one time I accidentally went to the St. Peter's Basilic in Rome on Palm Sunday. Oh, boy, that's the busy season. The trains were full of people with fronds. And I was like, why does everyone have fronds?

Oh, but I saw Pope John Paul the second in person. Oh, was he? Small. And you had a DJ that Lizzo's DJ. Yes, Lizzo's DJ was our. DJ for the wedding. That was a big coup for us because we are nobody and she is Lizzo's DJ, but it was

amazing. She was wonderful, very excited to come and do our big trans queer wedding. Nice. You can read all about my wedding in the New York Times if you're interested. That's because you both come from oil money. Yes. Oh, yes. Minnesota oil money, yes.

So, in other news, Minnesota just went through this terrible tragedy of a mass shooting, this attack, and immediately after there was an effort to villainize trans people, just the notion of being trans, trans ideology, they call it, as being responsible by the right because, and now today there was this sketchy report

claiming that there was some inscription on the bullets, this weapon that espoused what they described as trans ideology and anti-fascist ideology. We still don't know what that means or even if it's true or how you can get that on a bullet. I'll write that on a little tiny bullet. But clearly there's been so much vitriol and an effort to take a whole range of stories

and make them about trans people. Even when RFK Jr. testified and was obliterated because he's a moron. J.D. Vance said, I have trouble taking these Democrats seriously because of what they believe and then inserted his just his characterization of beliefs on trans issues. And it was like, what does this not have to do with anything? How do you respond to the effort to kind of vilify trans people and make them the story,

whether it's a mass shooting or an anti-vax cabinet secretary or what have you? Yeah, I mean, for me, I think what that is about is about the central policy of the Trump administration, which is trans eradication. I think there is a concerted trans eradication policy. And by making every story, a trans story, right? Long before the shooter at Annunciation, they have said the last four, five, six shooters in these mass shootings are trans.

And they're not trans. They've just been lying about that, right? So when the Annunciation shooter had a trans relationship with trans identity, we don't really know what it is, it was like hitting the jackpot for them because finally this thing that they have been lying about had become true. They want everyone to be talking about trans people and nothing else whenever they have an

opportunity. So whether it's medications and RFK's madness or whatever J.D. Vance is talking about when he's talking about us, which is all the time, and even Trump, who's just dropping in random anti-trans language into his remarks, this is a part of a policy that they are trying to execute, which is getting rid of trans people from the public sector. So I feel like there is the kind of political fight they're trying to have and what they claim that fight is about. And then there's the policy agenda behind it.

I want to split those out. I want to start with the policy agenda. So there have been a lot of orders that have gotten a lot of attention. Those have been around hot button issues, sports, youth, military. Among those orders, where is it that? like, the fear obviously is not just that they're going to go after trans youth, right? Or they're going to go after access to trans health care for trans adults, even outside of public services. So how are they doing that?

They are doing, they're, one, they took away the essential health benefit from Obamacare to cover gender affirming care for people of all ages. They took gender affirming care away from people in prison, from people in the military or people in military families, and from all federal employees. They remove gender affirming care from the health insurance coverage of federal employees. So there's tens and tens of thousands of adults who have lost their health care in addition to all of the attacks

on gender affirming care for minors that we are seeing and going to continue to see. And they have many current programmatic, you know, they have a lot of different ways they're doing this right now. This is continuing. HHS is going to release some rules. They have the Federal Trade Commission

that's investigating, like they're going to continue doing it until it is gone, is their plan. And it's not just about kids. And so what is the status of? So that's how they're doing it to limit ability to get insurance to cover it, where they have that power. What are they doing beyond that around broader bans to access regardless? Well, it's much more difficult to ban access for adults, right? What they're trying to do is use Hyde Amendment-style attacks. They're trying to take it, make it so that any place that is providing gender affirming care puts everything else they do at risk, right? So if you have 1% of the population receiving a small amount of care, you're just not going to jeopardize everything else you do to service that 1% of the

population. I'm not sure if the plan to take it away would be what they're trying to do at the Federal Trade Commission, which would make it so that doctors cannot provide it. They have this. Gender affirming care is fraud, essentially, add on its surface, and then thus it would be not legal to provide gender affirming care. So I want to run through that in part because that is not the story of what is happening around trans issues in the country, right? The story is more about certain edge cases. It's around competitive sports. It's around gender affirming care. Not just. for minors, but for young minors. And I want to know how you think we get out of that kind of

that bell, right? Because conservatives want us in that conversation because they view that as their strongest ground. I think, you know, polling has retreated on trans issues in a way that's really frightening. But largely, if you ask people, should people have access to health care that the doctor wants them to receive as adults? Of course, the answer is very positive. People should be able to live as they are. But here they think they have winning issues. So how do we break that cycle. I mean, we as Democrats, I am an elected Democrat, right? And one of the things that I spend my time doing is talking to elected Democrats about how to get away from spiraling the drain on sports. Yeah. Because we will never get out of that. That is a trap. And it is a trap

they have played to beyond their wildest dreams successful. And what we need to do as Democrats is articulate a vision of a country where trans people belong and get out of the stupid spiral of talking about sports, which is not an issue. There are dozens of trans people in this country who play sports that are youths, and we are obsessing over them, obsessing over them. You know, the president of the NCAA said there are 510,000 student athletes

and 10 of them in the NCAA are trans. I mean, it is not a problem. We need to be, boldly speaking, not about sports, but about trans people and the value that we have, and non-binary people, and two-spirit people, and that we belong in the country

and deserve what everyone else deserves. And we don't need to take the bait and we don't need to get into a terrible downstream effects of trans health care. Like all of the stuff that they're trying to do it just eclipses the very fact that we want the same things everyone else wants. And if you're fighting for health care

and housing and food security and jobs, then you're fighting for trans people and don't be afraid of that. No, I... I want to dig into this a little, in part because I'm, like, sick of it. And I'm sick of this sort of, because I feel like I hear, I hear that, and that all sounds right to me. It's a trap. I see how it's a trap.

It's obviously not a major issue. And I assume the people that have been answering questions in a way that has gotten heat from the left on this issues, whether it's Pete Buttigieg who had his time in the barrel or Gavin Newsom's time in the barrel, or Seth Moulton's time in the barrel, that they would all agree with what you just said. But their answer to this is, yeah, I don't, I agree, it's a trap. But I'm not going to, I'm not going to say that people's concerns about a top competitive NCAA athlete are wrong. I'm going to say, let's not focus on that. We should just lose on that. That's a real issue.

We don't need to, we don't need to own that. Let's protect trans people everywhere else. I want to understand why that's wrong. That is wrong. They all earned their time in the barrel because that is wrong. We don't just say we can give up some of the rights. of these people in order to defend the next, the next fight. Like, we know if you look at the trans, the work of trans politicians and trans

advocacy over the last few years, you will see that people who take a baby step towards it's okay if we give up on sports. It takes them very little time to give up on gender reforming care. And you saw your governor out here do that. If you did one podcast and he talked about sports and then on the next one, he was like, yeah, I'm not sure I'm cool. with the health care either. We won't gain anything by giving up on that. What we do is we say to people what is true. And I know that they believe it. They're baking in a stew of anti-trans. I mean,

these are people who watch Fox News every day. They have no concept of trans people in reality, of trans kids, of sports. They know nothing. But what we do know is that American voters don't want us to be giving up on people. That's not what people want. They want strength. They want powerful assertion of values and saying like, yeah, we're going to let these kids go is not a position that's going to win you forward. Yeah. And if you have to give a policy position, fine. You can say, like, it's local control.

I agree with local control. What are we going to do? Top-down control. The top is a fascist maniac who's trying to eradicate trans people. Schools should be in charge of their sports policy is correct, but it doesn't matter if you give the correct answer. my point. It doesn't matter if your answer is the right answer. You will gain nothing by giving it up. Yeah, no. And I introduce this by saying how sick I am of this topic, but I want to dive in

with you a little bit about it just because I hear you say that, like, oh, you know, if you give here, you're going to give there. Or like, I hear tactics and I hear strategy and I get that. And I hear the fear, which I think is what drives a lot of the frustration with mainstream Democrats who do this, which is, hey, if you give here, you're going to the kind of person that's going to give elsewhere, right? But then I think, well, hold on a second. Is the actual successful answer to the question? Like, the NCAA should make its own decisions. That's nothing to do with the government and leave it at that. But that, to me, says without saying it, that there is an issue with a biological male being in a female sport, right? So you just gave them what they wanted. Well, that's why I

want to understand. You gave it to them by saying a biological male in a female sport. Because trans girls are girls and should play with the girls and trans boys are boys and should play with the boys and trans boys by the way are completely erased from any conversation about sports they're talking about trans women and girls let alone two spirit and non-binary people like there are complicated factors to these questions

but the problem with the question that you're asking is what is the right answer and there isn't a right answer there is nothing satisfactory to say to people who are trying to catch you on sports there's no right answer but I'm not trying to be caught on sports. And I hear you, and I hear you about the mistake. I hear you about the way in which I'm giving into their logic. But part of the reason why I say it that way is I agree with you. I believe

in the vast majority of sports. And what I care about is that trans girls get to play sports with their friends and grow up and be girls and have fun and the vast majority of athletes are not good. Especially trans athletes. But like I see like high level competitive sports as sort of this specific and kind of exogenous special place where it's the one place where there this is why they focus on it there isn't a sense in which the biology could matter and that's the one place where that's true i don't care intramural sports kids growing up like i want those kids to be protected at all cost and and that to me is the whole fight i want people to feel safe to be themselves i want everyone who's trans to be able to be themselves and supported and have health care and like if i if i see a debate about

high-level competitive sports, I think, couldn't that be the place where this biological question rears its ugly head in a way we actually lose on the merits? No, is that wrong? It is wrong, because it's not a, it's a, it's a manufactured hypothetical. We have no examples of that, right? What do we have? We have a swimmer tying for fifth, right? You have what maybe once in a, like, what you're really predicating on the question on is, No trans person can succeed. That's why they're taking trans women out of darts and pool and chess. And, you know, it's not a biological advantage in darts and pool and chess, right?

They do not want trans people in there. So I know that this is a difficult policy question. And that's why I'm saying you will never find a pathway forward. You will never find it. The pathway forward is trans people belong. We spent a lot of time talking about this. And I'm glad we did. I was like, I'm very interested in this, but I'm engaged to a trans person.

Congratulations. One for being engaged and two, to a trans person. And I do think it is threatening to a certain conception of, like, I don't think conservatives are wrong to see trans people as a vanguard for questions about gender, really good questions that we should be asking. And if we weren't trapped in an endless cycle of recrimination and animosity, can you talk a little bit about, like, what it would look like to describe? trans people as, and transness is not just to be tolerated, but about what it contributes. And that's such a great question. And I'm so grateful for it because I love being trans so much. And we have so few opportunities to just enjoy and love ourselves in public, right? And that's why my wife and I got married at the Capitol and had the story in the New York Times,

because trans joy is magnificent and beautiful. And I love it. And I love it. And it saved me, and I grew up in those 90s, and we didn't know. I would have loved to have known about who I could have been a lot sooner, right? But we had no idea. And I think that, you know, when it comes to, you know, being a trans person and the questions that you're asking, right, one of the things that I think is so exciting about people who are exploring their gender is, it's like an exploration of a new world, but it's like interior, right? you don't have to destroy and colonize things. You can just go into your body and your brain and you can discover things about yourself.

I firmly believe that trans liberation is liberation for everyone because everyone has ways that gender and patriarchy and these constructs that we live under have really done damage to who we are and who we can be. And it's not about becoming a certain kind of person. It's about finding out what kind of person you could become. And to do that as a trans person, And, you know, when I came out in the first Trump, right at the beginning of the first Trump administration,

and it was really hard. It was very difficult. And I remember going to my therapist and just being like, how could I possibly not have known this by now? Like, I must have a brain tumor, right? Like, you couldn't not realize this. And she said, you know, sometimes you just have to be shaken out of something, right? And, like, she actually told me, I've never talked about this. but she said she had a bunch of trans women who joined her who've been like a bunch of people came out as trans because Trump became the president, right?

And like we went inside and started looking around because the world felt worse. And I think there's something really magical about that. And I think that there is a reason people are looking and exploring as the world burns, right? As the world feels less safe because we're not going outside, we're going inside and we're finding all these beautiful truths about ourselves. and the world should be lining up for us because we are bringing a freedom and a joy that is something that everyone can benefit from. I don't know why I always go to Jesse Waters on this,

but he's constantly talking about all the ways in which a man can't be. Men don't drink from straws and they don't sing happy birthday and they don't dance and there are all these things that men can't do. Even men's formal clothing is getting so restrictive, right? So it's one piece of frilly fabric is really what's tolerated, right? Everything else should look the same. And I do think that that idea of questioning, I think it is terrifying because they're in a little, they're in a prison that's locked from the inside.

And I do think it's really hard for people because it is a discomfort. There's a discomfort that it introduces that they, because it requires them to ask questions maybe they haven't asked before, right? About why, what is it about me that, what is my masculinity to me? Right? What is my, what is the part of me that's a man? And what is the part of me that's not? Yeah. And some people like Jesse Waters, they have power that depends upon people not doing that, right? Like, you will lose your power over the people who you maintain power if those people start to free themselves from the bullshit constructs that you preach every single day. There's a major capitalist endeavor to not have people. The biggest, my little peak maybe into my, maybe I'll rant about this later, but like the biggest problem for me is that I can't buy. shoes that are cute. Right? Like, we haven't built a capitalist society for T-girls to buy cute shoes. And that's a real problem. I'll tell you something. This is a smaller problem.

That's a pretty small problem. Wait. Actually, it's not. Never mind. But, so when I, just to buy pink sneakers, so often you have to figure out the way to, I have to figure out how to convert the female sizes to the male sizes because they're in different sizes for no reason, because they're made in the same room and the men's colors are always blue, gray, black. I mean, men's clothes are the most boring clothes and you don't realize that until you're trying to

dress as a trans woman in these fucking men's shoes that are all the same color. It's crazy. Those shoes are cute. Those shoes are cute. I love a chunky boot. Representative Lee Finkie, thank you so much. It's really good talking. Thank you so much for having me. We'll be back.

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Please welcome to the show. It's Alex, English, Punky Johnson, and River Butcher. Hi, come on out. Sit wherever. Hi, you can sit there. Hello. Hello. Greetings.

I sit. I like to go high, like a perch. I like it, yeah. It's nice. Yeah. Oh, I don't put my feet on people's furniture. That's disgusting. But you do you. You do you.

You do you. I have to. It feel good not to be in my mama's house for once. We take shoes off in my house for once. Yeah, you're right. Not me shaming, y'all. Thank you for joining me. Thanks for being here.

Let's lighten it up. You know? The news is heavy. Yep. But that's okay. Really? What's going on? No, we're not going to...

I lost my phone. I've been chilling. Yeah. But... And there are a lot of questions we can't answer, but there are a lot of questions we can answer, but there are some we can and it's a night of uh uh we're just just wandering across the pride flag at tonight's show and that's fun and so we have an all queer panel and so we thought uh it would be time for

some LGBT who said I was gay this is so embarrassing I'm like nigga you gay you did when you started talking. So it's time somebody the other day told me they thought I was by and I was like, yeah, I still got it. I'm sorry, go ahead. What would be the difference? How would we know the difference?

I don't know. They said I give buy energy. I don't even know what that means. So we had a table up front where we asked for some of your LGBT questions. I'm not sure if I said that right Hi River Hi Hi

Good to see you Good to see you too Hi punky Hello We just hadn't We didn't really talk Alex we talked He's not like Dave Chappelle as a white guy

Hello I'm trying to be professional Hello John I don't know what I'm trying to be professional Yeah Oh that's not necessary No I want to

I want to try it Well, you got your legs crossed Yeah, I feel like we're on the panel We got nice shit I started off wrong with my feet on the thing You said it So now I'm about to go back Into my professional shit

Yeah, we got class It's time for a segment We're calling Gay Supreme Court Nice Oh shit Oh, I love that I love that shit

Wow I look tired as hell I have a I have a gavel But we didn't really think about Not having a hand for it So anyway, there's the gavel Nice

And these are questions from the audience for our queer panel. And it could be about whatever topic. And if these suck, I have other questions. Okay. This is how they do it on the real Supreme Court, by the way. Real. Should each profile on Grindr include a satisfaction rating just like Amazon or Yelp?

I think that it should have that. I think not Amazon or Yelp version, the satisfaction. I think it should be like when you use an airport bathroom, you know, and they have the little buttons from like red, orange, yellow, green. I think that's the metric we should use for grinder profiles. I love that. That's nice. Like emergency, like 9-11, we're in the orange, we're in the yellow, we're in the red.

Terror alert. Terror alert. Now that I can give a hand. Tell this person destroy your fucking life. I can get behind that. Well, I think... Excuse me, I was next. Oh, I'm sorry, I apologize.

I apologize. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. I'm the Clarence Thomas and disappointment for it. I just realized that. Go ahead. I'm all about people exposing people. Well, I'm just to the edge right now that I ain't got time to find out.

So whoever you dated last, I want, whoever y'all was, come over here, get on this thing and say what this motherfucker was doing. And what they wasn't doing and all the things. You know what I want to start doing? Talking to people exes. What I got to look out for? Why is it that when you're hiring somebody, you get references? Correct. But for something as important as a relationship, there's no references.

No. What if before a date you got a resume and you got a couple contacts and you call them. be like, what were they like? And they're like, do you want, I mean, I can tell you, like, they were a pleasure to work with. And it's like, that sounds, that sounds forced. What really happened? Right. Yeah, yeah. You know? Tell me everything. I'm just, I don't have, I don't have time to find out no more. I disagree. And I'm kind of dumb. So when I see the red flags, you think, ooh, they're hot. Yeah, I'll let a red flag go over my head. But if you tell me, if you wore me, then maybe I'll potentially pay more attention to the red flag.

Yeah, yeah. I have a hard time seeing red flags because I'm usually, waving my own giant red flag. Yeah, there we go. I do that too. I do that too. See, that's why I'm against this. That's why I'm against the whole like, you know, talk to the X and find out and rating.

No, element of surprise. That's part of being gay. And also, like, I feel like as a person who fucks up in relationships often, I don't need them telling you what's going on. That's going to, yeah, I'm never finding anybody ever again. That's right. I don't want my Uber rating going.

No. That's such an important point because the whole, like all of the internet discourse around virtually any issue is always written from the perspective of people who have been wronged. Like there was a whole period of time

where like there was a whole series of articles and like a whole thing about like, am I dating a sociopath? Is this person an sociopath? Am I dating a narcissist? Am I dating a narcissist? And it's like, you know that the narcissists and the sociopaths are on the internet too.

You know, they're getting tips from all this stuff. Absolutely. You know, they're consuming. People are throwing out red flags, seeing red flags, all at the same time. Yeah. And I think we should expose outside. See, I am to the point where now, anybody got to tell nothing about me.

I meet a bitch, I be like, look, bitch, I'm barely going to be home. I'd be on the road all the time. I might get some pussy from time to time, but they ain't going to mean nothing. And then, and I ain't really the most romantic, nigga, but I'll pay your light bill. And then when all the shit start happened, they'd be like, it's fine, I can deal with it. And then when all the shit started happening,

I'd be like, I told you that I was it. So I'd be trying to just put it all out there. Too long, Derry, I ain't shit. There you go. I was only on, when I was first single again after having not been single for a decade, which meant I went from, I was from the pre-app era to the app era.

I took an Ambien and right as I was falling to sleep a friend of mine called to plan a Passover Seder and I remember the beginning of the conversation and I don't remember the end

I did on Ambien set up an OKQ profile from scratch then set my area to the world and then confuse the two swiping directions and so just said

hell yeah to a ton of guys in East Asia, like, there was a lot of Filipino guys, and there was a bunch of people, and, like, I think India that had been, because that was the time of day it was, it was the middle of the night, and so it was getting a lot of action in that time zone. It was really

a time zone issue. I didn't know Ambien automatically turns you 47 years old. Okay, Cupid. I ain't heard that website. Order. Order. Order. Order in the court. Order. Order. Order. If we have another interruption like

that I'll throw you out of here but I'll see where it goes next question where do the LA gays buy their high fashion bathing suits I saw a gold LeMay one at the Sophie tail pool and it rocked high fashion and L.A.

gays do not belong in the same sentence yeah y'all don't know how to dress out here everybody in L.A. dress like they're going to the airport Oh! Are you saying cozy and comfy, is that what you're saying? The city of athleisure.

Yeah, yeah, it is. It is. Don't nobody put in any effort here. Stop looking at me. That sucked. That wasn't an attack. What's the difference between pansexual and bisexual? Good night, y'all.

Yeah. America just explodes. What do you think? I don't even know. No one or a real one? Wait, isn't Pan is like everybody, right? But here's a crazy thing. The actual definition of bisexuality,

the original definition is being attracted to the opposite gender and the same gender as yourself. So that is not exclusive of really anybody. And there's an argument to be made that pansexual was designed to be like inclusive of trans people, but it's actually like this horseshoe of being like kind of weirdly transphobic, and then we don't

need it, but now it's too much in the lightguess and we can't take it out. You know, the pansexual tooth face has all been squeezed. You know? So to me, to me, there, wait, what did I say? That was funny.

That was funny. Shit, I didn't even know. To be fair, he said stupid. Oh. I just did a callback by accident, is what I'm saying? How am I... Magic is anti-trans tooth face. How am I being bullied by the most supportive audience on Earth?

How did I get to this point? These people came to see you. That's crazy. Y'all, wow. I will say, I think I know. Pansexual is whatever Wayne Brady is doing. So, but it is like... So bisexual, your gender or the opposite gender,

but it would conceivably exclude non-binary people and therefore pansexual would include them? Not technically, because if I'm not non-binary, that is the opposite of my gender. What is opposite doing here? It's just not your gender. What is opposite? We as Americans have a very confusing understanding

of what the word opposite actually means because in like some other country that I can't remember the name of, Sweden, Norway, some shit like that. When you ask a person in that country, what is the opposite of boy? They say man.

Exactly. Good point. The opposite is on a... Preach, real? It's on a... Take the flow. I will. Let's fucking go. River. River. Filibuster. This is a filibuster, river.

The opposition is not actually gender. So if I put the word opposite the way they're thinking about it, it's like, who am I? Who are you? Awesome! That's it!

Thank you. Yeah. That's why I don't know who that person is. Because I think about that shit all the time. You know there are some languages where you face the past and the future is behind you. Which makes a lot more sense. Because we don't see the future.

Yeah, we can't. We're riding backwards on a train. That's right. We see only the past exclusively. The future doesn't exist until it's on the other side. That's right. And then it's not there. It's never there.

Because we're present. Like, ah. Only white people get to think like this. Black people, we always got to stay in the past. Remember what they did to us? Remember what they did to us? We cannot. We got to stay in the past.

Y'all, free. y'all get to be like where they go and have these conversations of like who i am not who i was and i'm like it's just always who we was man i love it i get to soak in don't you love it when we do soles like this we get to soak in all this like you see i'm sitting up in mesmer right yeah yeah man i love i love being around white people i get it's so fun you get i feel like a sponge right now I'm going back to New York different. Especially L.A. gay white, too. You know what I mean?

Because y'all, y'all, y'all lawless out here. Yeah, no laws. Yeah, I'm trying to act. I'm trying to get like, y'all. That's where freedom is. Queer and white. You know what, take the float pop off. We are not in that segment of the show.

Yeah, we are still. Look at me producing. Go ahead, John. This is your show. This is your show. Oh, John. What kind of bisexual do you think Pedro Pascal is?

Pansexual. Listen. That ain't... That ain't none of our motherfucking business, okay? Lead at King B. A cutie. A cutie bisexual.

Oh, I ain't know he was bad. Listen, you don't know. You still don't know. That is none of our motherfucking business, okay? Well, no. Now it makes me happy, because maybe he'll be my baby daddy. I'll pop some pussy from Pedro. The way Punky offers, like, the men that she comes in contact with her uterus.

Yeah! Because didn't you do that to Travis Kelsey? He can have some uterus. Before her. Before her. Before your girl. She was, did you do? He can have some uterus.

He can 100%. She want to have his baby. So what you're saying is that you would. be Taylor surrogate if need be. No, I need her to be mine. The baby going to be my baby. Oh, I didn't know if you wanted it. I want my baby. I want

my baby. I ain't going to be there, but I want it. I need my legacy to continue. I ain't doing that up but creating another father-motherless house. That's all I'm doing. Hey, but the bill's going to be paid. Bill's going to be paid. That's beautiful.

Yeah. Yeah. Incredible. Yeah, we're creating all kind of different types of American families over here. Let's go. This week, the New York Public School System introduced Frankie Focus, the furry green glasses-wearing mascot of their new cell phone ban. That's Bernie Sanders.

The top 1% of the other 1% Your phone only has 1%. I got there I got there he got there he got there that was great you got there

you got there at the end you got there what kind of gay is that that's gay that's gay I still hit it look at her I'm about to say

my girl got her first day at school breaks okay what's the welcome sign is that they had a bus stop what is it Oh, yeah, PS-582.

They're out of school. Yeah, they're out of school. With that mascot, Frankie Focus. What was their second pitch? Imagine being the lamest mascot. Like, because New York Liberty mascot right now is going up. Oh, all the way up. Ellie up.

Ellie is up. Imagine him trying to walk up on Ellie. Nah, Ellie's sneaking that mother. Ellie, like, nigga, if you don't know, I'm gay, get away for me. Because Ellie is a whole leg. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to get Ellie, too. Gritty doing a hate crime against Frankie Focus.

Frankie Focus can get fucked. On a reason. Get the kids, their cell phone. They are already cooked. What the fuck is? It doesn't matter. They already cooked. There's phones teaching them more than the fucking students than the teachers.

Yeah, that's true. Shit. That's true. We can't undo this. That's true. I'm dumb as hell. Let TikTok. Look, let TikTok teach these little motherfuckers.

And I had a real good education, no cell phone, no iPads. I had a good education, and I'm cooked. I'm done. I had a show Sunday and they asked me to send them a guest list. my brain wasn't braining I didn't even send names I sent nicknames

I was like man man delicious also that was like punky we need names bitch I was like I don't know

them niggas names I was like this is what I know and so they should have the phones in schools listen I think so because like you know

you know y'all see your out there. Do y'all see who are actually teachers out there? Like there are some people who, there are a lot of people who should not be teaching kids. And I'm like, would I rather have a phone telling my kids something or this weird motherfucker who I see

arguing with 12 year olds online? Like, I'm on Facebook still and I'm watching like people that I know that I went to high school with who are teachers getting into arguments with like bots and like people who are like underage and I'm like, do you know that people can see you?

And you're a teacher. You are a teacher. I'm like, look. And also, while we're on the subject of education, look, since we on the Supreme Court, look, I get it. Like, black history is American history,

and it should be taught, but not in every school. I feel like, like, like, I feel like white people, I don't really need y'all to know black history like that. Like, it's actually none of y'all business. It's actually really none yet. Because like, have you ever met like a white dude who went to NYU who learned about

black history? That's the most annoying motherfucker you've ever met. Like, one time I was talking to a dude, one of these types of dudes, and he was like, you know, he was talking to me about black history. He kept references shit that I kind of didn't know. But instead of being like, oh, yeah, that's cool. I'm like, get the fuck out of my face, all right? You're telling me about James Baldwin for, fuck.

I don't give a, like, get the fuck on, bitch, like this. Telling me about my shit. This is my shit. He was trying to be a friend. No, he was being racist. That's racist. I don't know how it's racist. I can't tell you exactly why it's racist,

but I felt racial. I felt racial. Hey, your feelings are valid, and we are not going to question your feelings, not on this stage. How about that? I still feel targeted. All right, last one.

On a recent episode of his podcast, Tucker Carlson accused Pete Buttigieg of being secretly straight. I've always wanted to interview him. He's never agreed to interview, but I'm going to ask him some very specific questions about gay sex and see if he can even answer.

I doubt he even knows. I love how, like, excited he got about really specific gay sex questions. But, look, I think he's right about being put him to judge. That dude said he would take a pill to be straight. Right?

I mean, who am I. He said that? And that doesn't exist. Well, I think you go through that phase. I think some people go through that phase of self-hating where he thought he would take a pill to stop being able. I don't think he'd take the pill anymore because then what how he has a husband and kids.

I mean, he's literally the gayest. You got a husband and kids. Listen, man. Listen, man, he's from. Where are he from Indiana? Yeah, that's right. That's the kind of white dude who want to be straight. He keep on the, I get it.

He went to the military all that shit. I understand Pete. I mean, he could have stayed in the closet all that. Listen, y'all, listen, you know, we're not going to get, we're not going to get, you know, my fellow Americans. That's not how we get. We're not going to get that. And Pete, it's not that.

This is why this motherfucker can run for office, dog. Like, he could be the first gay president. Because this motherfucker on paper is the president. He was mayor in fucking middle of nowhere, fucking Indiana. He went to the military, went to the fucking top college. He is tripping. That's a straight man. That's a straight white man on paper.

But this motherfucker sucks dick. He should have pulled the Beyonce. He should have pulled the fucking. Let me tell you something. He should have faked it until he fucking made it and then hit us with one of these

when he became like the president. But that's not him because America's not going to vote for this shit right now. That's why he should have faked it. That's why he should have faked like a straight white man.

He has zero percent. Act like he was fucking bitches and then hit us with the walking woken walking dope. I somewhat I agree with that. But also, I just think you know, like for him

it's like, listen, I'm trying to be here for all you. I feel I would just shut the fuck up, dad. Shut the fuck up. That was the same thing with Hillary. Hillary should have been like all of them white women. Shut the fuck up.

Let me do this. He could have really, because like the thing is Pete, Pete exists. Let me tell you something. Are you arguing for people. I'm arguing for Pete. Because let me tell you why. Because my mom, my mom, during the campaign, his campaign for presidency, my mom, at some point she got on the horn

and she called me, she was like, I'm thinking about voting for Pete. And y'all don't know, my mama. I'm like, you just was okay with me being gay yesterday. And now you want a motherfucker that's suck dick to run your country. That's progress. And my mama is light-skinned in the same sorority as Kamala Harris. I'm telling y'all right now,

y'all not ready for them kind of problems. Counterpoint? No, I'm kidding. Like I fucking said, he would have made a great president. He should have faked it like Beyonce. When everybody was like, damn, Beyonce Black, we should have been saying about Pete. We don't, oh, shit.

Pete a fruit cup. Hell yeah, he's fucking fruit cup. I like fruit cups. He sounds like my uncle. Ain't the wrong with fruit. No, the problem, he's going to think. The problem is not the fact that he gay. That's why America fucking make me sick.

Why the fucking got to be about being gay? What about who he is as a motherfucking person? He's a good person. You know he's worthy of a goddamn job. He got the stats. He did the fucking work. He did the homework. He's a man of America because he gay.

He ain't fucking qualified. Man, fuck y'all niggas, man. Pete, bitch. Pete, bitch. You should be on his next cat pack. Pete, bitch. That's what it is. And I, Pete, if you're out there, if you're watching this, hire this nigga.

You know what I'm saying? She will get you elected. But you got people out of him. here listening to motherfuckers that was never in the motherfucking military, didn't fucking complete college. Don't know what the day just up here making up their own theories and ideologies. You got people listen to these motherfuckers. Ain't about Pete, bitch.

Pete, bitch. Don't keep me starting, Pete, bitch. And that's a great place to leave it. Thank you. Sorry. No, it's great. Damn it, got me all rowed up by hell crazy right now. Remember when Punkie said she was trying to be

professional? Thank you to Alex, Punkie. And River, keeping out of her Punky's special, you just shot in L.A.? Yes. Hell yeah. She killed that shit. And check out at Punky Johnson, Rive Butcher,

Alex, English with a three. On Instagram. Laughing during my Instagram handle. That's crazy. During Black History Month, that's insane. And check out River at

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slash love it. And we're back. Please welcome back to the stage. thinky. Now it's time for the rant. Well, you know how it works? You spend the wheel wherever it lands we rant about a topic

for one minute. There, oh. I knew it. It is lined on a river. What would you like to rant about? I'm going to rant about how cis white women hate me in the gym.

I started working out. I'm a trans dude. That's what we do. A lot of people work out. But I started working out, and I will go to the gym, and I'll be minding my own business, doing my own thing, and then I'll say, hey, could I use these, and a cis-white woman will be like,

there are other weights in the rest of the gym. This is my time. Don't touch these weights. And I'm like, I just got here. I only just started using the men's restroom. Very, very recently. And look, I'm trying to change them. Guys, we don't have to live like that.

I honestly think that's part of why trans guys are on this planet. You don't, it doesn't, don't poop in public so much. It's like you guys are waiting to do it. It's like it's 9.30 at a Billy Joel concert. You're going to miss piano, man. This was just about cis people. Thank you. That's an interesting phenomenon, not often.

and explored, which is when trans guys start using the men's room and realize that they were wrong and made a huge mistake. That it wasn't worth it at all. Yo, I get excited when I see y'all at the gym. I'd be like, hey, what's up? What's up, brother? Newcomer? Yeah, we out here.

You know? Welcome me. Me. Because really, really the two genders on our bathrooms are clean and disgusting. Well, the women's bathroom does have its own specific disgustingness. What's really going on in here? I know. Not a lot of peeing, not a lot of pooping, not a lot of pooping.

Just come on in. I think men, look, I think we should all just be going to the bathroom together. But that, you should come see me do my stand-up so I can tell you the whole thing. Because, like, women need to be around some more disgusting shit. I really think everybody does. And men need to see some more unexplained blood in their lives. It might make you guys, like, stop doing crazy shit. Just like, whoa, on the ceiling?

Yes. On a light day. Wow. Let's spin it again. It has landed on Lee. What is something you'd like to rant about? We talked. I was going to.

to talk about shoes, but I heard there's a solution to that. We have a solution that's emerged. So instead I'm going to rant about the sports conversation, because one of my favorite things about talking about trans sports is it doesn't include people like jacked trans men who exist and play sports and dominate. And nobody is talking about how if we do what they want us to do, jacked trans men are going to be playing in these women's leagues. and it's really going to cause a problem for people who don't understand anything about gender or transness or trans identity.

So, you know, I mean, my friend River is jacked. I heard that, yeah, they've been using some weights lately. I heard that he started lifting weights, yeah. And it just drives me crazy that we have these conversations and we're talking about very poor athletes who are women like myself when we should be talking about people who are very good at baseball like River who could be really. doing something important so it pisses me out to no end the the the the the lack of um the fact that in all of their kind of imaginings trans men don't exist as if like nancy mace is going in to kind of police the bathrooms and it's like we we talked about in the show that like as an act of protest like

trans men need to visit the nation's capital on mass and just go to the bathroom they have done that actually that's cool they should do that they should do that and i just just to be kind of intellectually honest. Like, I think River is a terrible athlete, I assume. I think that's an important thing not to just gloss over. I did assume based on his gym attendance.

And love of baseball. Yeah, no, I'm pretty good. Pretty good. I'm pretty good. Okay, sure. The higher it goes, unless I'm convinced. Let's spit it again.

what's something you would like to rent about. I just want to tell all the gay people that there are different regions of gay. Because I'll be on my page talking a whole bunch of shit. And as soon as I say something that don't align with the queer of all the queer, because everybody thinks we all supposed to be alike. So if I disagree with one thing about the gay people, the group where we're supposed to be all inclusive, somebody come up on that motherfucker and call me homophobic. Fuck you, bitch.

I've been fighting the gay fight for 30 motherfucking years. And also, what y'all need to understand is it is different regions like I fucking say. So down in the South and. in Florida, in Louisiana, in Alabama, in Georgia, in Texas. We don't play that boy-on-boy gay shit, nigga, that's gay, okay? So when I say it on my page, that don't mean I'm homophobic. That just mean down in the dirty south. We don't do two butches because that's nasty, bitch.

Okay? So don't call me homophobic, bitch. We just got different regions of gay, and that's just how to fuck the goddamn cookie crumple, okay? Fuck y'all. It's five seconds to spare. It's nasty. Hell yeah. It's nasty.

That's gay, dog. That's against God's order. Gay commissioner does not approve. They do all that shit in California. We're here in California. Yeah, y'all keep that gay shit out here. Okay, we will. I think it's a good idea.

A lot of good ideas tonight. A lot of good ideas. It's an ideas show. Let's spin it again. How do I follow that? Alex, what is something you would like to rent about? I need white people to understand that black people don't really give a fuck as much as y'all do. Like, just ask your black friend what they care about and then choose to go off about that.

Because, like, a month or so ago, that's Sidney's Sweeney ad came out with the good jeans or whatever. And it's like, nobody gave a fuck about that that was black. Nobody black cared about it. Nobody black saw that fucking ad. Because we have separate algorithms. The only reason I saw it was because I follow white people online and they posted about it. And I'm like, oh, I guess what's the problem here? And everybody that was mad in the comments, everybody white.

Literally, like, nobody, and Sidney's a fine actress, yeah, big titties, yeah, we love her. Like, she's beautiful, you watch you for you, but it's just like, you, niggas who, like, watch you for you had to be reminded who Sidney Swinney was. So some shit is just not always a big deal, y'all. Stand down. Right at the bell. That was beautiful. We are the worst.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. No. No. That's not what we're saying. Come on. I just said I loved white people, what, 20 minutes ago? I was kind of lying, but not all the way. I like y'all.

Are there black people here? It's in a way game tonight. And that's our show. Thank you so much to leave Finky, Alex, English, Punky Johnson, Riverbush, and we'll see you next week at Dynasty Typewriter. There are 416 days until the midterms. Have a great night and have a great weekend.

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