Lovett or Leave It - Spirit Gives Up the Ghost

Episode Date: May 6, 2026

Trump flies by the seat of his pants, Pete Hegseth tries to land the plane on Iran, and Spirit Airlines touches down on that Great Big Tarmac in the sky. This week, rock legend Ann Wilson from Heart decides which pop singers have the pipes, Yamaneika Saunders shares her romantic gripes, and Lovett and his guests answer the question, “What about love?” And we raise a glass to a round of Second Thoughts.For a closed-captioned version of this episode, click here. For a transcript of this episode, please email [e-mail] and include the name of the podcast, episode title, and episode date.

Welcome to Love it or leave it. It's love it. Welcome to Love It or Leave It, live it, live from Hollywood and Netflix is a joke. Turns out if you are, say you are part of it, you are. That's how it works. Let's get into it. What a week. Spirit Airlines officially shut down over the weekend after negotiations with the Trump administration, over a $500 million bailout fell apart as a Hail Mary to the White House. Spirit Airlines declared themselves the official airline of January 6th, but it was too little too late.

500 million to rescue an airline, that's a waste of money, said Trump in a hard hat, while demanding bookmatch Paradiso marble in the new ballroom shitters. Spirit announced its dissolution just after 2 a.m. on Saturday in a statement that read, quote, to our guests, all flights have been canceled and customer service is no longer available. It's poignant in a way. Spirit Airlines died as it lived, being unreachable by phone. That was good, Betsy. All right.

We actually, this is footage that we have uncovered. This is footage of the very last Spirit Airlines flight. Temple of Doom. It's the one without the Nazis and yet also the racist one. Transportation. It's a funny thing about Temple O'Doo. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy held up press conference at Newark Airport on Saturday to get the word out. So what that means is Spirit does not have airplanes in the air flying as of this morning.

Also, their call centers are closed and they don't have staff at ticket counters. So if you have a flight scheduled with Spirit Airlines, don't show up at the airport. there will be no one I here to assist you. And this is exactly why we need to build Trump's ballroom, said Sean Duffy briefly confusing his talking points. The announcement left thousands of Spirit Airline travelers stranded at airports across the country. United Airlines, Delta, JetBlue, and Southwest

offered discounted fares for Spirit ticket holders for a limited time. This also created a beautiful opportunity for cultural exchange, as Spirit Airlines passengers showed Delta Airlines, passengers how to whittle a branch of pine wood into a tiny flute and delta passengers taught spirit passengers how to read that's not you're right that is unkind i am joking with my friends who got screwed by spirit airlines shutting down it is not your fault you plan this romantic destination wedding to jacksonville to marry your cousin before before she starts showing and then it all falls apart. I'm kidding. I've flown Spirit Airlines before. We fired that tour manager

immediately, but I did fly it. Actually, truly, I flew Spirit a few weeks ago. And you know what? It was a great flight. And I feel for the pilots and the flight attendants who had the toughest job in the sky. You made less than what you would have made on a legacy carrier while having to duct tape far more passengers to the seats. And you know what else? Spirit was cheap. and safe. In 34 years of operations, we can now say Spirit had zero fatal accidents. Zero. A lot of people on Spirit still died from the shock of finding out that the world isn't flat, but that's not on the airline. The problem was Spirit hadn't turned a profit since 2019, filed for bankruptcy twice, lost like $5 billion, and its hope of a turnaround collapsed because of

surging jet fuel costs. So of course, the Trump administration is blaming Joe Biden. To be really clear, yeah, jet fuel prices have gone up. This story was not written because of the Iran war. This story was written years ago because of what Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, people to judge and the DOJ under Biden, what they did to prevent the merger from happening. So again, I love that they try to play revisionist politics and try to come after Donald Trump again. What do they want, a nuclear Iran? Yes, said Spirit Airlines. Inshala, Iran gets news. My two cents, if we have to choose between a world without Spirit Airlines and a world without Iranian nuclear weapons, I choose death.

Just so you know, a Reagan appointee ruled that JetBlue's attempt to take over Spirit broke antitrust law because it would raise prices for consumers. You know who agreed? The CEO of Spirit Airlines who said publicly at the time that a merger wouldn't survive regulatory review. He wanted to merge Spirit with Frontier to create a bigger ultra-low-cost. carrier, which would have had a better chance of being approved. It would have been the combination Taco Bell Pizza Hut of the sky. And with no competition at that price point, the new budget airline

wouldn't have to offer bells and whistles like seats or individual soda cups for each passenger instead of a communal bucket from which every flyer would get one free sip. Then you merge both with the bang bus, and you might have the only company that could survive the arrival of AI. What are you taking to get to Phoenix? Oh, I'm taking Spirit Frontier bang bus. Speaking of people that would bang on a bus, health secretary, R of K Jr. Also had some important airport news to share

over the weekend. He caught a bird. Looks like I'm not the only one who packs their own snacks for the airport. $18 for a sandwich? Absolutely not. Meanwhile, the chaos that led to Spirit's demise shows no signs of a base.

On Monday, the U.S. launched Project Freedom to guide ships through the Strait of Hormuz, and Iran fired missiles and drones at the United Arab Emirates. Is it a war? Is it a ceasefire? More like, can't keep it straight of Hormuz. Yeah. Here's, thank you.

Here's Secretary of Defense, Pete Hagseth, explaining Project Freedom. As a direct gift from the United States to the world, we have established a powerful red, white, and blue dome over the street. And in order to give it, that gift of dome to the entire world, the Navy has dispatched the USS Nancy Reagan. Heggseth also dismissed a troubling rumor about Iran's military capabilities.

For Secretary Hegseth, are there still concerns about mines in the street? And can you kind of clarify these reports of kamikaze dolphins that we've heard about? I haven't heard the kamikaze dolphin thing. It's like sharks with laser beams, right? I can't confirm or deny whether we have kamikaze dolphins, but I can confirm they don't. Said Spirit Airlines, inshallah Iran gets kamikaze dolphins.

And how well is Project Freedom going? By Tuesday evening, Trump announced it was paused after basically one day. Any ships left stranded in the Strait of Hormuz are advised to rebook with Delta Airlines. In response to rising tensions, oil prices spiked and gasoline rose to $4.4.4.4. 48 cents per gallon nationally and in California to an average price of, so what happens if you

skateboard on the freeway? Is it illegal or is it just, is it just round upon? Here's Treasury Secretary Scott Besson to tell us it's nothing to worry about. We are cognizant that the, that this short-term blip up in prices is affecting the American people, but I am also competent on the other side of this. Prices are going to come down very quickly. You know, the conflict will end. The stock market is looking through this. Corporate earnings are good. You can't afford the gas that gets you to your job at Buffalo Wild Wings. Have you considered liquidating a portion of your holdings? Have you considered a dividend to shareholders, perhaps? Over 15 months into his second term, Trump continues to blame Democrats for high prices.

Here he is on Friday. You know, it's amazing. I come into office and I say, wow, look at how high these prices are. and the Democrats start screaming, affordability, affordability, they're the ones that cause the problem. I'll tell you one thing, they got one good line of bullshit, that's one thing I'll say about it.

I said the prices were too high. What more do you people want? Lower prices, grow up. And Mr. President, sir, that is insulting. We're Democrats. We have more than one good line of bullshit. He does have our accent down, though. I'll say he got us.

Affordability, affordability. That is what we sound like. Got us again. A new year affordability. Who's he? What the fuck? A new series of polls has Trump approval tanking, with AP finding him at 33%, with his support on the economy even lower.

Trump aware of the public's anger attempted a rebrand. Our country's booming now, despite the fact that we're in a, I call it a mini-war, because that's all they are. A mini-war. What a comfort to the families of the fallen. We regret to inform you that your son. son died in a mini-war as part of a fun-sized action. He made the ultimate tiny sacrifice.

But you don't have to take Trump's word for it on how great things are going. The president invited Rick Harrison from pawn stars to praise him. I mean, I'm a history buff, and I know a lot about this White House thing and everything. Literally, he's going to go down as maybe the best president ever.

I love this guy. What a take. You'd think a pawn shop owner would know when something is going to age like shit. And finally, speaking of going to shit, after two years of public battle, leaked texts and legal wrangling after Blake lively accused Justin Baldoni

of sexual harassment on the set of it ends with us, the two reached a final settlement. As a result of the agreement, Baldoni has agreed to allow lively ships to pass through the strait of Hormuz and lively has agreed to end her nuclear program. You can find all this out in Ryan Murphy's new limited series American crime story, who gives a fuck?

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who just poured it all out there night after fucking night? What happened to them? Well, they're still out there. They're just, I think a lot of them now are more interested in doing vocal pyrotechnics, you know?

It's not as much about soul as it is about how high can you sing or how many backflips can you do with your voice. Do you really think that that's part of it? Because it does seem like there's, maybe it's because they can use technology

to perfect everything. Oh, that, yes, that. You could have gone all day without bringing that up. Sorry. Don't get me started. Yeah, the whole technology thing is it kind of gets under my skin a lot because, well, I come from a time

when that didn't exist. So if you sang something off-key or something, you had to start over, do the whole thing all over. Nowadays, you don't even really have to be a good singer. They can make you sound like a good singer, you know, in post-pro. Right, but there's still... It's irritating. It is, yeah, well, it's irritating, but then at the same time,

what made a great song wasn't that every exact, part of it was perfect. Some of the most beautiful songs have the little imperfections that were from emotion. Exactly, yeah. I've always thought that some of the most beautiful parts of music are the things that are

wrong, that are not, as you say, perfect or sterilized. The ones that really sound human. And that's the thing that makes people sound different from each other. When we're all perfect,

We just all sound anonymous. We all sound the same, you know. So that's something we've lost, I think. I've heard a couple of singers lately, like Lola Young, who will come out and just let it down, you know. I mean, let it go. And that's really inspirational to me. Are there moments when you were recording something

and you lay down the vocals, and then you tried to do it again, you tried to get it right, you tried to change it, but actually it was something about the first or earlier time that was the right one, the magical one. Oh yeah, that happened all the time, you know, just you go up the mountain

and then maybe you don't know when you're at the mountain top and you start trying and trying it, but you just can't reproduce that first thing. That happened all the time. There's also, though, even as people are striving to get something that sounds perfect, Like there is still, I remember when Trump was first doing debates against Republican politicians. And I remember somebody at the time said, oh, these politicians may be Washington good, but Trump's Hollywood good.

And then in my time in Hollywood, I've met a bunch of, you know, actors. And you'll think, oh, wow, they have incredible charisma. But then you meet rock star charisma. You meet the thing that makes someone a music star. And it's on another level. even if everybody's music is being perfected, there is still that magical thing that makes someone, let's say, like a chapel Rome, like stand out from other people.

The it factor, you know, the thing that you can't even describe. And not everybody has. A lot of people really try hard for it. But, you know, it's the brass ring of soul. You just can't grab it all the time. Yeah, I saw you performing at the Kennedy Center honors where you sang Stairway to Heaven and Robert Plant is just crying because I can't imagine what it's like to go from being, you know, this sort of counterculture outsider to someone sitting in that place, but also like to hear your incredible performance of it. What was it like being there that day and singing that song?

Well, to sing a song like Stairway to Heaven is really sort of going out on a limb, you know, because that song is close to being holy in this culture. So you don't want to screw it up in any little tiny way or seem fake or seem like you're trying to sound like Led Zeppelin. Just to honor the song, I think, the way it was originally written, and especially the lyrics. have deep poetry to them and a spirituality to him, a magic, that those have to be honored and done just right. So to do that song was really nerve-wracking at first when we heard we were going to do it.

Oh, well, maybe we'll just do rock and roll instead. No, no, no, no. You're doing steroid to heaven. And you're going to do it. You're going to get up there and do it, you know. So what we did was we eventually just right before we were to walk on and sing. We thought, my sister and I thought, well, we're not going to use this moment to be all nervous and to think too much. We're just going to get out there and pay attention

exactly to what we're doing. Like the old meditational trick where you have a bowl of water and you have to walk across the room and not spill a drop. Well, that's what we tried to envision. And so we both made it through the song without freaking out. We freaked out afterward, but... The reason I bring it up is because watching you... I can't imagine there are many ways in which you would be nervous at this point, but I can see how taking on this iconic song by this kind of unique vocal performance would be nerve-wracking, and then you perform it, and you're like,

oh, this is like Godzilla versus King Kong. like this is like one of the great vocalists taking on a song by another great vocalist. And I wonder in your career in heart, were there moments where you were just like, you know what? Like, I am one of the fucking best to ever do this. No, I can honestly say I've never thought that. Because it doesn't matter how many. songs you've sung or how many hit records you have or how much people tell you you're something. There's always somebody better. There's always something to aspire to. And that night, you know,

it was like imagine the audience, just the audience alone, the Obama's, David Letterman, yo-yo Ma. It's like all, everybody was there in the audience. So it was, the real trick was just keeping the eye on the ball and not going, oh, look who's here. And then losing track, you know, no, you can't think. You just do it. So you have a new documentary about you coming out called In My Voice. What did you want to convey that you felt like people either don't know

or don't understand about you? Yeah, the main thing was at this point in my life and in my career, It seems like people just have me tied to heart because that's been my life's work, you know. And I thought, well, okay, now it's time to let people in on what the rest of my life has been like, you know, outside of the band, outside, behind the scenes, you know, and the documentary is not a whitewash. It tells the story. It tells a rock and roll story, but also just the story of a, person who started out is just a little suburban girl with braces and all that and really went took a big journey you know and experience love and hate and people making fun of me and people saying oh you're a genius and just the whole

thing yeah i just wanted to let people know from like in my own words what the story is about me what is the balance for you in being part of heart with your sister and also wanting to have your own identity I'm part of you know I think a group that I would say is sort of I consider it the heart of podcast Potsave America and stop it but you know we do this together and our identities are are tied to it together and what someone else says or does kind of reflects on me a bit, but at the same time I have my own point of view and my own way of seeing the world. And I can imagine that's even more challenging when it's your sister.

Yeah, yeah. I think that Nancy and I grew up as small children learning how to play music together, and that was a bonding thing that we took on as children, where most kids were outside playing with dolls or, you know, playing horses in the grass. We were upstairs playing guitars. And so that just kind of grew and matured into standing up and playing guitars in front of people. And then one thing led to another and it got to where it is. But she and I have a delicate relationship, even so, of when she does something that makes me mad, or I do something that makes her angry. There's a way that we know how to deal with it now

where we can actually talk it out like grown-ups. Yeah. Was there times in your lives where you just sort of try to not talk about it where there were things we touched it? And it doesn't work, huh? Under the rug. No, under the rug never works. Just builds.

Yeah, it gets more and more and more ugly. And when you can belt like the two of you can't imagine on that tour bus. really letting loose. Now, Barakuda, you had talked about this that is based on a promoter, a record promoter, spreading a rumor that you and your sister were in an incestuous

lesbian relationship. What? Yeah. And like I just said, we had grown up as little kids, like listening to Simon and Garfunkel, you know, and really believing that our music was magical and that we were going to go out and be magical too. And so then we get to this point

where we're backstage after a show and this guy comes up, and first he shows us his pornographic watch where you move your arm and she drops her drawers, you know, that type of thing. And we're like, oh, cool. He's really cool. What a cool watch.

That's neat, you know. And so then he goes. A brolex. Yeah, really. So then to me, he says, well, so how's your lover? And I go, well, he's fine. Michael's right over there. Why don't you go say hi?

No, your sister, you love her, you know. And it was just the most sleazy, the most, ew, thing, you know. And it really offended me more, I think, because. we had that idea of our music being magical and somehow pure. So I went back to the hotel, and in this fit of rage, I wrote the words to barakuta.

So poor man. Well, I feel like it's like, you know, fuck him. You made such a beautiful song out of it. It's a cool sign. Yeah, really. Where is that guy? Let's see if we can get more barracudas out of him. That's what they would say.

Maracuda. Such a funny word, too. And are you still in touch with the magic man? Kind of, but he actually, he passed away last year of cancer. And so, yeah, I guess you could say I'm in touch with him, but it's not on this plane. Yeah. But, yeah, he was an amazing person.

Magical, one would think, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it seems like you were trying to convince your mother, but the rest of us get it. Could not do it. Could not convince her. No, she was like, get your little pink butt home, you know. I mean, she was not that excited about me getting into that at all. Now, Anne, no one has a voice like yours, but only you can decide who might perhaps join you in a new supergroup.

In a game we're calling, the heart wants what she wants. Here's how works. I will present you with two incredible singers, and you must pick which one you think you would like to have as part of your group. As part of the group? As part of your group, yeah. And the winner will go on to square off with the next performer.

Okay. Here we go. First up, Hozier or Sabrina Carpenter? Hozier. Hozier. Okay. Hozier or Justin Bieber. I think I'm going to stick with Hozier.

Sticking with Hozier. Hozier or Ariana Grande? Um, Hozier. Hozier. Hozier or Bruno Mars? Oh, that's harder. Um, I don't know.

I like Hozier. There's no wrong answers. All right, it's getting tougher. Hozier or Chapel Rhone? Oh, well, yeah. I know Chapel, she'd be mad if I didn't. Okay, Chapel Rhone. But even if you didn't know her, you would have still chosen her.

I think so, yeah. Hell yeah. She did a cover of Barakuda. That's pretty cool. Yeah, but that isn't the reason why I chose her. I just think she's young and she's already where she is. I mean, she just imagine where she's going to be when she's 40. I mean, that chick has a lot inside.

Yeah, talking about sort of the charisma and the it thing. Yeah. Something magical about her. Yeah. Chapel Roan. Chapel Roan or Harry Stiles. Oh, Harry Stiles, wow.

He's cute, but I still have to pick chapel. It's a great choice. For music, yeah. Well, that's it. Chapel is won. Chapel has made it all the way to the end. Okay. Ann Wilson.

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Huge fan of yours, so. Well, thank you. Yeah, no, I'm a barracuda too. Yeah. At least I would mince when they mess with me. So, yeah. What is, yeah, I guess we all have, there's a barracuda in all of us, I think.

Yeah, no, for sure. Absolutely. Can I get a little closer to you? I don't want to crowd space, legacy and all that, you know. Oh, come on that. Yamanika. Yes. Hard songs are often about love.

Love is tricky. I'm in an extremely good relationship. Aren't you happy for me? No. No, I hate it. No, I hate it. Like, love right now is gross. I think love is, for women right now, is a little difficult

because women are doing such amazing things, and sometimes the guys can't keep up, and that causes a lot of insecurities with women. So I would always implore that women and follow their dreams more than they follow the penis. Yeah. And were men intimidated by you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. I mean, who wouldn't be? Who wouldn't be?

So, uh... Well, actually, no, no, no, no. They shouldn't be, right? But if they are, that means they can't step up to the plate. So I think women should be as intimidating as possible so you get the right guy that can handle it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You want more, you want to make sure the filter set pretty high. You know what I mean? You don't want bad ones getting through the mesh.

You have to check it. Like I, you know, as a comic, I'm always on the road and picking up, you know, outfits from marshals and penis from bars. And, you know, I've had some, you know, I just recently dealt with a guy who I thought was great, but, you know, in one of our encounters when I went to go see him, he stole some tires on the way to the hotel to have sex with me. And that's when I really realized I needed an intervention. Right?

Like, if you're on your way to have sex with me and your options are my vagina or tires and you choose tires first, we need to have a serious conversation. Did you get a little notification that said the guy had one stop along the way? No, he called me as he was evading the police. Swear to God.

It was, I know, it was the worst experience ever. And, you know, he was already on his way to me. He stole tires. Good for him for multitasking. But it was like, what do you say? When a criminal's coming to your hotel to have sex with you, you don't tell him no. You know, he's already on the way. And he evaded the police.

So, yeah, come on in this room and let's have fun, I guess, until you go to prison. There's something romantic about that in a sense. I know. You think it's romantic? That's why I got messed up because I thought it was also romantic. And then, you know, eventually a felon will be a felon. So, you know, you can't really deal with a man that you can't close your eyes and go to sleep around. Would you ever cheat on Megan the Stallion?

Oh, yeah. They were so happy to get a black person up here so they can ask this question. I also choose Chaparone. No, I know. No. I love Megan. I love Megan. I would never cheat on her.

But then again, that's exactly how men, they're so stupid. They can have the most amazing woman in front of them and they still want more. They still want to see what's better than the person that they have who could be totally amazing while they ain't shit. Oh, can I curse? Yeah.

Okay, because I've been keeping a real light. While a man's not shit, he will also look at a woman and determine whether she's shit or not and he ain't shit. So this whole Megan Estallion and this clay guy, did anybody know him? Right.

Nobody knew him. Okay, sir, you're looking around. Nobody cares. Okay? You're the one person that knew him before Megan brought him to the rest of us. And I wish he would go back into obscurity or whatever little basketball card he's playing. But no, I would never do that. Imagine you have a woman, first of all, Megan is such an amazing artist. But imagine all that she's gone through, you know, losing her parents.

And then she still went to college, fitness, got her degree in business, when she didn't have to because she's an entertainer. She was super successful at that. And she still wanted to have like a backup plan and do. So the fortitude and the integrity in this woman is by far amazing. And I think this guy is an idiot for playing a game on her. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaking of idiots, you also recently said RFK Jr. looks like a half-lit marlboro light on Sherry. I do. RFK, listen, we all, like, politically, you know, not everybody is on board with me. But the one thing we can agree about is he should not have been. the head of the Department of House. You know? He can't be on a breathing tube

and then also tell people about Tylenol. This, like, are your co-pays up to standard? You know what I mean? But, you know, again, we live in a society that's male-dominated, white male-dominated, so he can do whatever he wants while undermining this country, and he has done it so far in a really tragic way.

So why not make fun of him? He's a piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Now, you also said on Sherry Shepherd's show that you lost over 100 pounds, Unnatural. I lost 103 pounds. 103. Yeah.

No, I got stuck in the beginning. I got ahead of some of the GLP, but sometimes people too fat for the GLP. Right? Really? Oh, yeah. If you can go over it, I can go over my appetite. You know, I think people do you understand. Being big sometimes is not necessarily just.

you're a lazy person or you're not considerate of your lifestyle and how it's affecting you. It is sometimes a disease that you have to conquer, right? And so I had to learn how to have control over my mind, my body, what I put into it, other than the felon. And, you know. That's not a lot of calories there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no. He definitely wasn't gluten-free.

But I love these ladies over here, okay? I might just start my own show with y'all. Mine is the guy with the glasses who knows clay. Whatever. The reason I brought up only because, you know, Anne, you know, one of the things you've talked about is just, like, how much shit, like how hard it is and how much shit they give women for how they look, how much shit you got over the years, for how you looked, for your weight.

And, like, I know you're somebody that has been trying to figure out, like, both, you know, like how to talk about this and how to exist in a, in entertainment when you're under, such a glaring spotlight. And I wonder if that's part of what you're kind of reflecting on in this movie. Oh yeah, yeah. It's got everything in it.

It's got the wonderfulness of being beautiful. And also how hard it is to have everybody talking about you when you're not, when you're not meeting up to cultural standards. I mean, that's hard too. But I found that, the best way to go on with your life and what you're trying to do is just to let it roll off your back and just keep doing what you're doing, you know, and work on yourself. Yeah, well, there's like a balance, right, because you don't want to let other people's

expectations determine how you feel about yourself and you get a lot of shit for help. But at the same time, I know that, like, I know that I feel better about myself when I look a certain way, when I feel like, and also that I feel accomplished that I've, like, gotten myself, whether I feel healthier, I'm eating better, I'm sleeping better, I'm working out more, and that, yeah, in some level that is because of expectations, but it also is something I feel internally, and I don't know how to separate those two all the time. I don't know how you feel about that. Well, I just know you get so much more positive reinforcement when you look great, and that seeps into your self-image. It really does, whether you want it to or not, right? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, for me, I'm already hitting a lot of situations as a black woman, right? Because we're not a part of the main culture and the ideal. So I definitely found it through my family, which is great. Every day them telling me I'm beautiful and, you know, my skin is beautiful and what I got going on. I had to believe it, though. And so I think the thing that we feel good about when we start to make adjustments that kind of put us in this, quote-unquote, more acceptable body or face or whatever is you start to get a confidence boost. But the reality is I fuck more guys when I was fatter.

You know what I'm saying? For real. I was because everybody likes a good juicy pussy. Sorry. But no, because you got to dig in there and it's warm. And it's like nice winter night, cup of cocoa, chocolate pussy. So, you know, it's all great. It's all great.

But I had to know that I am worth better than what I was accepting. when I was larger. But yeah, the business has this. You know, sometimes people, it's hard when you have talent. Okay, I'm going to say something probably. Don't get upset. I'm saying that to myself.

But sometimes we get super untalented people who look good, and then they manufacture talent on them. And then you have people who are really talented in their craft and whatever they got going on. That doesn't, there's a whole different energy to be a person of vanity, right, and to look a certain way.

I have girlfriends who are in the gym all the time. They don't have time to work on their creativity. I'm working on jokes. I'm working on material. I'm working on my purpose. And my purpose isn't looking good for some man or looking good for some audience. I want you to understand that what I got going on is a lot better than this. But breaking through that thing with the audience sometimes,

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That's right. It's time to tackle the ethical conundrums presented by heart songs. Ethical conundrums? Yeah, that's right. Wow. In a segment we're calling heart to heart. Our first question, inspired by a magic man, may his memory be a blessing. You're a mother whose daughter has been entranced by some kind of magic man.

Yamanika, what do you do? First of all, question why I have a daughter. Because I don't want any children. I have nieces and I'm done with that. Some magical man, magical with what? Ann? Well, what were we talking about a minute ago? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. That whole thing. That whole thing will switch you around. I have gone from not liking a guy, and then he enters me and it's a whole new world. Oh, it's I love you. Yeah, you know, it's that first and, oh, you know, if a guy can, you know, when you cross your eye,

you're like, ugh, and that's dangerous because then again, he's going to steal tires and meet you at the hotel and fuck you with felonies. Follow up. Is it okay to tell your mom that the man you're dating has magic hands? That's a kind of crazy thing to tell your mom. Yeah, but it wasn't, see, I think that's one of the,

the ethical conundrums because the song wasn't written, the phrase magic hands was supposed to be like in reference to a magician, you know, not sexual. Right. But that's how the mother would take it, right? Probably. Now, not to confront you, Anne, about your song, all I wanna do is make love to you,

but is it ethically defensible to have a one night stand specifically to get pregnant and then not tell the guy until afterward, ostensibly be a song. Would you like to hear my opinion of that song? Yes. Okay. We recorded that song, and it was a huge hit around the world. But as a singer, the person who says the words, I always despised it because I thought it was the worst way you could possibly ever treat another human being.

It's to just go, gee, I guess I'm kind of horny. I guess I need to pick up some strange dude. You know, take him to bed, get pregnant. and not tell him about it, and then just bring the baby on him later. That's awful. That's cruel. It's brutal. And I just thought it was really awful. So I just refused to do that song even now. That's off the table.

Well, that's an answer to our ethical conundrum. You're out. It's wrong. It's gone. It's dead. Can you talk to Nick Canne in the future? Would it be morally defensible to fall in love with a boat, which is what I believe steamboat Annie is about. I think that's what it's about.

You fall in love with a boat. Okay. And Wilson, what about love? Well, you say it's gross. I think when you're in it, it's absolute magic. And that's the hormones, of course, flaring up, making everything be like the best it could possibly be in the world. everyone's great.

So in that way, I think love is one of the best things we have on earth, and it's the only thing that's going to save us, really. Amen. And that's not only talking about sexual love, of course. You know, we're talking about love. Yeah, love. Yeah. Not just with the magic man, but with friends and family and loved ones.

Anybody, except Trump, you know. Except for Trump. Well, I think Trump doesn't understand love, right? I think it's a confusing thing to him. How does it feel when you now are performing the songs you have now been singing for more than 50 years in some cases? Some of them I find it really hard to relate to. Like, well, Magic Man is really hard for me to relate to now because it was written when I was 22 or something. And, you know, I'm 75 now.

So it's really hard to reach back and access that girl. And the way I felt about this wide-eyed thing about this man, you know. Since I've met somebody, and I've been married for almost a dozen years now to somebody who really is right for me. And it's a whole different kind of magic, one that can really go through. the bumps and the ups and downs and when you come through something you love each other more because you've been through it.

How did that happen? Oh God, it was amazing. We had a blind date back in the 80s. We got too drunk on sake and when he drove me home I invited him in because I was really sort of hot for him, right? But he was a gentleman and he didn't do that on the first date. Oh, my God. What a guy. So he rejected me, right?

He went, oh, no, thanks. Oh, no. So I was so mad that I'd been rejected that I sent him a letter that went, well, thanks very much, but see you later. Like in the next life, maybe. You know, I was really upset about it. So 40 years go by. 40? Yeah.

We're both 60. before. He comes to a book signing that Nancy and I were doing for a book we had out. And he hadn't forgotten about me all this time. I think it was the note. Maybe it was you. Yeah. And he got to the front of the line. We, I remembered him 40 years later. We exchanged information. We started talking online. and we were married within six months. Oh, my God, yes.

It's just one of those things that, what? You know? Till then, you always got by on your own. Right? Till then, yeah. Yeah. Well, everybody, check out Yamanika on socials for a big announcement coming soon.

Yamenica's also performing in the Netflix is a joke festival. You're opening for Chelsea Handler. Yes. And I'm doing my show, my headlining show right after. at the comedy store in the belly room at 10 p.m. So I'm going to be working overtime. Yeah.

And I want to just say this. I would love to have shared this with you, but technically I can't. But you'll find out tomorrow. So just be on my socials. You'll find out what's happening. Very exciting. And tomorrow you'll be with Chelsea.

All right. We'll be right back. And we're back. We've had an amazing time tonight. And now it's time to look back at it in a segment we call second thoughts. And here's how it works.

The producers have been taking notes as to things that I could have done better throughout this show and ways in which I can improve as a host and human being. And I'm going to share those with you now based on... Just like a white man, you get to practice being good.

Come on. And I just want... You get a do-over? As long as race is rearing its head. I want to note that I didn't like say oh, we have a black woman on the show. I'm going to ask about Megan the Stallion. I'm teasing you.

I know you did. Just for the record, it was a perfect. It's a hot topic. It's a hot topic. Now, one second thought I have is about what I just said, but also, uh, one question is whether I went too hard on the proud Americans who fly, who flew Spirit Airlines. Was I too mean to the people that fly Spirit?

I don't think so. No. No. Uh, this one, and one place, where this producer suggests I pause to muse about what an interesting word barracuda is and then we sat in silence for about 10 seconds and that's on me well it's it's space though you know gives gives the audience a chance to mull it yeah the japanese art of ma I don't think I'm niche all right now the producers said I didn't ask the magic man

human name, but I out of respect did not want you to put, I was going to, I wanted you to share only as much about the magic man as you wanted to without prodding for me whatsoever, so I don't regret that at all. Oh, well, it's no big deal. It's no big deal, Bill. I was too glib about Dreamboat Annie. Oh, about falling in love with a boat? Yeah.

Yeah, because it was, the boat was Dreamboat Annie. It was named Dreamboat Annie. Right. Yeah. I'm sorry. Oh, well, maybe that's just another one of those lyrics that's too. Woo! No, I think it's really good.

Yamanika, do you have any regrets about tonight? Any second thoughts? Anything you'd do differently? You know what? I love that my spirit was calm. Normally, again, in a situation, it's like stressful, but this was informative. I hope I didn't just, I feel like I just showed up. like I was also in the audience.

Like I was so impressed. And lighten up on yourself. You're fine. What you got going on is great. Yeah, no, yeah. Wow. You're good. Yeah, fuck that.

Anne, do you have any second thoughts about doing this show? No. I feel very, thank you so much for being here. Being part of this. It's my pleasure, really. I think one of the reasons I have it, there's, you have that magical quality.

You have that, that thing, that like intense charisma. coming off of you. And I think we're both sitting, I mean, you're wonderfully charismatic and talented, but we're sitting here in the presence of, it must get tiring to be called the legend all the time. So I'll try to be more specific. You have that thing that like there's a kind of intensity, even just looking in your eyes that's like very both soothing but also exciting at the same time. Are you a Scorpio? Well, thank you. No, I'm a Gemini. Oh, we got to talk. I'm a Scorpio raised by a Gemini. Okay, yeah, we'll talk.

And that's our show. Yay! Thank you so much to Anne Wilson. Everybody go to Ann Wilson.com to find out more about the documentary. And thank you to Yamanika Sanders. Thank you to Indioban Studios. There are 180 days until the midterm elections.

We'll be back in your feeds this Friday with Beth Bennett and Kyle Mooney. Love it or Leave It is a Cricket Media production. Our show is produced by Kendra James, Bill McGrath, Kelsey Gante, and me, John Lovett. Our production team includes Halle Keeper, Sarah Lazarus, David Tolls, Claudia Shang, Jay Banks, Gavin Purcell, and Matt DeGroote, and our staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America East.