Lovett or Leave It - The DraftKing's Speech

Episode Date: July 17, 2026

Daylight Saving Time has us walking on sunshine, the Senate throws Todd Blanche and Jay Clayton on the grill, and we get a little hot under the collar over Trump’s shiny new coin. This week, Des Bishop does stand-up all over the globe, Carmen Christopher passes our Egg of Truth questions without even studying, and we look back at a veritable yearbook full of Second Thoughts, before the final bell rings.For a transcript of this episode, please email [e-mail].

Love it or leave it It's love it or leave it It's love it or leave it What's up Los Angeles Welcome to Love It or Leave It Live from Hollywood I'm John Lovett And much like Odysseus

I just want to get home And fuck my wife And we've got a great show for you tonight But first let's get into it What a week We're at war with Iran Isis shooting people in the street The Midwest is blanketed in a thick layer

Of wildfire smoke and diarrhea But once in a while there is a glimmer of hope. This week, the House passed the Sunshine Protection Act, which would make daylight saving time permanent. The oven clock would be correct forever. You would never again need to Google how to set clock Toyota Corolla, or in my case, how to set clock much more expensive car that I hate. I hate it. Trump supports the change, declaring on true social in May that I am going to work very hard to see the Sunshine Protection Act signed into law. There are very few areas of agreement between me and Donald.

Donald Trump, Diet Coke is good, paper straws are bad, Democrats are annoying, Jews are smart, Jeffrey Epstein was murdered, and now this. 19 states have passed legislation to adopt year-round daylight saving time if Congress ever stops clock blocking them. However, I've been on the permanent daylight saving time beat for a while now, and things aren't as simple as they appear, or as boring, please do not click away. For one thing, saving is actually a misnomer, a scientist agree, that salvation only comes through Jesus Christ.

Also, we've tried this before. In 1973, Congress actually passed, and President Richard Nixon signed a law to switch to permanent daylight savings time. The switch was supported by more than two-thirds of Americans at the time, and then we experienced it. In much of the country, the sun would rise well after 8 a.m. Sunrise in states like Ohio and Michigan would be at 9 a.m. or later. Pretty tough. Imagine having your morning explosive diarrhea in the pitch black. The news was filled at the time with images of children fumbling to school on dangerous, unlit roads, and that was unacceptable. Children should never be unsafe on their way to school in America only once they get to school. The experiment was meant to last two years, but Congress repealed it before the following winter. It was a black mark on an otherwise stellar record of Richard Nixon. The good news is, according to the bill, the House just passed, states could choose permanent standard time, in states like Michigan would benefit from being on standard time even in summer.

Today's sunset in Detroit is 9 p.m. And it sucks when it's light out so late. It makes it harder to see the two screens you watch at the same time from dinner so you're forced yourself to plug in your phone and squeeze your eyes shut as you think about the last three videos you saw, a recipe, a joke, and a murder, and wonder why you're always so anxious and tired. Speaking of people who always seem anxious and tired, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer took to the Senate floor to rail against

the disastrous war with Iran, and in the process caused a bit of a gas crisis of his own. Now on Iran and the NDAA, when all the Trump administration can say about his disastrous war with Iran, is that Vietnam was worse? Did you hear that? Let's play one more time, just in case you missed it. Now on Iran and the NDAA. That's one bomb we won't be sending to Israel. A lesson for us all.

You can get away with literally anything when you're hot. But this wasn't the most grotesque discovery in the Senate this week, and I'm not even talking about what they found when they cleaned out Lindsey Graham's desk. The Senate Judiciary Committee questioned Trump's pick for Director of National Intelligence, Jay Clayton, leading to this confrontation with Georgia Senator and Guy who is younger than me, John Ossoff. Who won the 2020 election? You know, I'm not going to do this with you.

This is a job interview. We have established that you have an obligation to be honest and forthright with the committee. Yes, you do have an obligation to be honest and forthright with the committee. Yes. Who won the 2020 election? Like I said, I'm not going to get into that with you. I'm not going to engage in the theater. It's a simple question, Mr. Clayton.

And I've answered. Who won the 2020 presidential election? I've answered it. Imagine sitting down at a job interview. And they say, what's your biggest strength and biggest weakness? And you're like, I'm not going to get into that with you. And then you get the job anyway, because your dads are friends. Clayton continued to evade that question when talking to Senator and Guy with a cool name for a cowboy, Angus King.

Who won the 2020 election? I've answered that question. I'm not going to get into that. You have not answered that question. Could you answer the question? Who won the 2020 election? Pretty simple question. Yeah, I said I'm going to give you the same answer.

So the answer to the chairman was, he asked me if I was an election denier. I am not an election denier. Joe Biden was certified as the president. I'm just asking a really simple question. Who won the 2020 election? As I said to you, we went through our processes, and Joe Biden became the president of the United States. How is he not an election denier? I haven't seen denial that's obvious since Chuck Schumer tried to blame the dog.

The committee also heard from the president's attorney general nominee, Todd Blanche, who currently serves as acting AG and previously served as Trump's personal attorney. It was pressed by Republican Tom Tillis on whether he would meet with Epstein's victims. I expect that meeting to occur before I'm willing to vote out of this committee. And I'm trying to get to yes. But this is a very important part of getting to yes. Ew, and hear they're gross sad stories. No thanks, said Blanche.

This is actually a massive cave by Tillis, who is now, quote, trying to get to yes. but previously said this about voting for Blanche. If there's even a whiff of a lack of independence, then that could influence my vote. Unfortunately, it's hard to get a whiff of anything other than fart when Schumer's been in the room. But here's Blanche talking to Senator Chris Coons. Is the Department of Justice that you are running independent from the White House?

The Department of Justice, like every single department in the executive, is part of the executive. I mean, Article 2 of the Constitution. gives the power of the executive to President Trump. More than a whiff to me, kind of a stench. And when asked if Trump is eligible to run for a third term, Blanche said no, but it wasn't exactly an emphatic no. Is President Trump just as a simple matter of constitutional law eligible to run

for another term as president in 2028? I don't believe he is, no. That is a question that should have a more confident answer than someone at the grocery store going, I don't think we have chickpeas at home. Of course, Blanche isn't independent. That's why he was chosen. That's like asking odd job if he's willing to stand up to Goldfinger.

He's not. He's going to guard the bomb at Fort Knox until the bitter fucking end. You know, they were right. I knew, but odd job is a good comparison, but we're not all kind of swimming in the plot of Goldfinger. We don't remember that pussy galore did the right thing in the end. But on the other hand, Goldfinger does go fomp out of that airplane window. so something to think about that.

And it's as if Trump is daring people like tell us to vote no on Thursday. Trump gave a primetime address to spread 2020 election conspiracy theories. At least we think he did. The speech is happening as we are recording this episode. Trump is reportedly claiming as we speak that China interfered in the 2020 election, which took place when Trump was president and he lost. But then it's like, did China get logged out in 2024 when Joe Biden was president and Trump won? And who can even remember the 2020 election?

Joe Biden can't, so why should we? Every member of Trump's cabinet is a complete and total stooge. Treasury Secretary Scott Besant announced on Wednesday that the Treasury will begin striking a new gold coin with Trump's face on it in honor of the 250th. Hear me out, though. A dollar coin is the perfect thing to have Trump's face on it. It is a useless annoyance that weighs you down

and feels like a relic from another era, and your uncle loves it. Not only is the coin ugly, it's arguably illegal by law and tradition, only deceased people appear on U.S. currency, so why don't we just show a little patience and wait for what's wrong with his hand to become what's wrong with his everything?

A Fox reporter asked Trump for his thoughts on the coin. Your face is now going to be on a coin, it looks like, from the Treasury Department? What do you think about that? It's very honored. It's cute. It's cute. Not a bad picture. But it's very cute.

They gave me a coin. That's very unusual from what I understand. A gold coin. Yeah, a gold coin and a silver coin. It was very unusual, but I was honored by it. This has the energy of someone pretending to be surprised at a surprise party they planned for themselves. When my sister was pregnant, she wanted to do a gender reveal party. And so she ordered a gender reveal cake.

And when she went to pick up the cake, they handed her the cake. And they said, one gender reveal cake, white on the outside, blue on the inside. Trump renamed the Institute of Peace after himself. He tried and failed to add his name to the Kennedy Center. He launched Trump accounts in Trump RX. his face on the national park passes and a version of the U.S. passport. The Navy is planning to build a set of Trump-class battleships. He hung his portrait on banners outside the Department of Justice, and Palm Beach Airport has been officially renamed Trump International Airport with the airport code DJT. If I wanted to see

Trump's name that many times, I would just read the Epstein files. And speaking of corrupt Trump devotees, on Thursday we learned that Trump's longtime teleprompter operator has been betting on what Trump will say in his speeches, it was the perfect crime until he flew too close to the sun and tried to get Trump to say he actually likes the colorblind casting in the Odyssey. Raised suspicions. Federal investigators in cooperation with Kalshie found that Gabriel Perez, who has held the position since 2016, has made over $100,000 on these bets. Hot take, that is not enough. He should have made a lot more. That is a fucking easy crime. Are you kidding me? A hundred thousand, that's it? You're his teleprompter operator and you're betting on what's in the

speeches? Are you fucking kidding me? That's insane. But of course this kind of thing is happening more and more. I heard that one of Schumer staffers bet on a certain outcome of his speech after seeing the minority leader take down a full pint of egg salad for lunch. That was the last one. We're out. That was the last one about the Schumer fart. Perez would allegedly bet on certain words or topics that Trump might mention. In some cases, he would then back out of the wagers mid-speech if Trump started to stray from the prepared remarks. Though that does explain that one speech where Trump said out of nowhere, fuck, man, please say sharks. You got to talk about sharks.

Fuck. I put 15,000 on sharks. Please, my wife's going to be so mad. All right. We've got a great show for you tonight. And we'll be right back with Des Bishop. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up.

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to check out our new studio and upcoming guests, including actor Patrick Renna from the Sandlot, comedian W. Camel Bell, Ted Lasso's Brendan Hunt, and new queer cinema filmmaker. Greg Araki. All right. He's played stages all around the world, but most importantly, this one. It's the hilarious Des Bishop. Thank you. Hi, good to see it. Thanks for being here. Good to meet you, too. Awesome. What's up? How you doing? Great. This is very exciting for me. Is it? No, yes, it is. I love Pod Save America.

Wow. And I subscribe to the thing because I wanted to hear something one day was like, you had to subscribe, so I subscribed. Got them. And you got me, and I haven't unsubscribed, and I like Polo coaster and I'm happy to be here so well it's great to me I'm a big fan of yours oh I really am and I was thinking about I was because I see a lot of your clips and you had this extraordinary experience of so you you have lived in obviously the US but also in Ireland and China and I think it brings you an unusual perspective perspective that allows you to make fun of people in a way only you can I think you make fun of people in a way that is not no one else could do I I I I mean, I guess.

The Irish thing was basically two-thirds of my life. The Chinese thing was like a two-year kind of experience. So the Irish experience was basically like almost all of my identity. But the Chinese thing was a small but very impactful experience. But I do think that coming back to the States, because I went to Ireland when I was 14, you know, and now I'm back into the States performing here, and I do feel that that has given me a sense.

of why you would think that because I've taken all those experience and now I've Americanified it in a way that I think you identified with. And so do I understand that you were started drinking as a teen? Well, that's a joke that is true which is I had a problem with alcohol

got kicked out of school so my parents sent me to Ireland to go to boarding school. Right, that seems like a botch. It's not even a punchline but it works as one. Yeah, just sort of like if all the places in the world, to see, oh, you're having problems with alcohol. I know we're going to send you.

The joke I say is that they saw the potential in my alcoholism and they thought, let's make him the best one he can possibly be. We'll send him to the Premier League, you know? But of course, it's not true because I stopped.

Actually, would you believe I'm 31 years sober today, which is a coincidence. It's just a coincidence. So I stopped drinking at 19. So we joke about the stereotype, but my life is actually in contradiction to the stereotype because I lived most of my life sober in Ireland

very comfortably. had a comfortable life of sobriety there. So that bust the stereotype. Yeah. But that's not fun. Stereotype busing is so boring. Stereotypes are so... Stereotypes are hilarious.

There's one thing I think. I think stereotypes are the funniest. Stereotypes are funny, and when you do them in the right way and in the right spirit, it's great. And when you do it, you know, in the killed Tony spirit, it's not great. Not as good, yeah, yeah.

And now you do live in China for a time and you speak Mandarin. Yes. Is it a superpower to look like you? God, the people must really, you know, must really come as a shock when you break out the Mandarin

amongst people in China. Yes. And when I first went there in 2004 just like for a holiday, it was much more like, wow, tall white dude and my girlfriend of the time was blonde. And there was a lot of like,

can we get a picture, just for you being you. But actually, by the time I did the project that I did, which was a one-year documentary series about trying to learn enough manner to do stand-up in Mandarin, right? So then I was living there full-time. By then, you know, China had become quite a bit more international,

so there wasn't the same level of excitement. However, there was still a lot of admiration for the La Wa, the foreigners that could speak Mandarin. But the mistake that I made, which I've realized now, was that. I didn't realize that in the Western world, some creators were going to get humongous followings by shocking Chinese people in the States with like their good Chinese, like shout out to Xiaomah, NYC, who's like humongous on the internet. And in fairness, what he does is great, but I never, I never thought about doing it like over here, other than my friends get such a kick out of it when I

order in Chinese at a Chinese restaurant, and the Chinese are like, oh my God, your Chinese is so good. But I didn't monetize it, which is... And that's a shame. That is a shame, you know? I just want to say that I am just... I'm honestly, I can barely look at you. I'm disgusted. You had a monetization opportunity you left on the fucking ground.

You know, if I was in a monetization positive atmosphere like the crooked media space, I would have never, I would have never missed that opportunity. I'm sorry, we use the word sustainable. A sustainable business. No, listen, every joke that I say about you guys comes from. from complete admiration. But what I will also say is that, you know, I was making this series for Irish TV.

I had a mission, right? I had already done a language learning thing before. But what I didn't expect was that the English language material that I would write about my experience in China, about being a fish out of water, about the language stuff, even some jokes literally about learning Chinese. I didn't realize how much they would resonate when I came back to the States. In fact, that was almost like my bridge back to performing in America

because I've always been an American comedian in Ireland. The bridge back was like how much American audiences were eating up my Asian experience. Well, I think that that speaks to how China looms in our culture. And that was what motivated me to want to do it in the first place. Yeah, because you'll see it even, there'll be ads on television saying we can't regulate AI because China will win the slop wars, you know? And having lived there, like, when you see politicians turn China. China into the kind of super enemy. That's the reason we can't say kind of have slow down AI in the U.S.

or we have to do all these other things. What is your experience of that? Well, that's more like when I initially pitched my idea, it was 2008. I had done this Irish language. I learned the Irish language and I had made a series about learning the language. But, and I always had a fascination with wanting to learn Mandarin. So the Beijing Olympics was about to happen and the world was really focused on China. but in very much a way of like what's going on over there.

They're rising economically. They're rising like militarily. What's going on over there? So I felt everyone just wanted to see like how fast it was growing. But I wanted to tell the story of the Chinese people because the focus was always on the politics and the economy. And I found the people to be quite fascinating. So I wanted to tell that story.

The more like proper Chinese enemy story has been more of a recent phenomenon. But on the flip side, We actually, the West, not just the U.S., used to push back more against Chinese human rights infringements. So now we're worried about them taking over the world, but we're not worried about how much they oppress certain percentages of their population. So it's kind of frustrating in a way that now it's just like us versus them as opposed to let's maintain the relationship but keep the pressure on them to actually stop doing the bad shit they do. but it gets harder to have the moral high ground when we seem to be becoming more like China. One of my jokes is always when I went to China,

which apparently it's like an old Russian joke, but a Chinese comedian had given it to me. They said, why would you go to China to do stand-up? There's so much censorship. You can't say anything there. But I say, no, it's not that different. Comedy in America, comedy in China, it's similar. In America, you can make fun of the American government,

and in China, you can make fun of the American government. It's the same. But then the Jimmy Kimmel thing happened. Then suddenly I was like, this fucking joke has about six months left and it's shot. Yeah, man, that sucks to hear. Yeah. But no, but what I will say is

because obviously we talk a lot about free speech in America and, you know, there was a time where the right felt like they were coming hard with the censorship was coming hard on them. Now it feels the other way that like the government itself is actually government censorship's creeping into America and all those fears. I actually think a lot of those fears from both sides at times

felt a bit valid, but they were never truly valid because everyone, they were being denied speech in one space, but they always had the freedom to find another space. Yes, like sometimes people will say a book has been banned, but a book is not banned if you can't get it in a certain store or library, for example. 100%. Right? So we still had free speech. We just, we were, you know, some people were being censored in certain spaces. Whereas in China, you truly didn't have that. And I performed in a place where to do a live performance, you're actually supposed to officially apply to the censor to do it legally.

Now, we did loads of illegal ones, but it sounds more dramatic than it was. they were just too small for anyone to care. But then what happened since I left in 2015 because I stayed for an extra year because I loved it so much. Like stand-up as we know, it was pretty new then. But after I left and nothing to do with me, stand-up really kind of exploded there

because online content really exploded in China. And in some ways they were kind of like pioneers because their TV was so censored that their online content actually blew up earlier than here. Like they were doing what became what we would say like influencer stuff like before we were because they kind of were forced. But then the internet got too popular, so they cracked down on that too. Anyway, long story short, now stand-up's really popular.

So now you can't even do the little shows we were doing because they cracked down on those two. So, and then the other direction, what was, what did you find was the expectations around America and Americans when you would be doing stand-up? Like, what were the, in the same way that China looms for America, how does America loom for the Chinese people you were meeting? You know, like, it's, you know, so culturally, they were very positive about America, heavily influenced by not just culture sport, the NBA. So culturally, very positive towards America. But obviously, like, governmentally, they did feel that America,

a misunderstood China. You know, they were soaking up the propaganda. And the joke always is in China. It's like the nightly news every night is the government is, you know, doing their job for you. The Lao Bai Singh, the everyday people are working hard and the West is a mess. And like literally it was that every day. So like they were just like critical of the American government. They didn't like the fact that America only focused on Chinese human rights stuff. That was like an issue for them. But culturally, They were very positive about America. I would be remiss if I didn't play a clip of you on a Chinese dating show. Oh, yeah. I'm curious which one you picked, actually.

Because I actually did two of them, would you believe? Just it's not very sure. Because my father's too small. You're what? My father's young age, than you just da six. Oh, really? Your mom, pretty. That's an improv.

Yeah, that's good. So just were people listening. That was one year of Chinese. The potential date says, I don't think we're a good fit. you're only six years younger than my parents. Yes. And so I said, is your mother hot?

Well, in actual fact, if you translate it directly, I said, is your mother beautiful? But I just think that it was quite crass for me to ask that question.

But I think in English, the crassness of it wouldn't translate if I said beautiful. But that's a whole other world of comedy translation. But listen, I'm not blowing my own trumpet, but the mission was to do

stand-up in Mandarin. But the thing is, you know, you can figure out those bits. You can learn them. Whereas I was on this dating show, fully Mandarin dating show. So I had to just like go with the flow. And that I consider to be my real achievement because that was literally after 12 months of learning Mandarin. And I was like, this is cool. I am like riffing on Chinese TV. So I was pretty happy with that. Was there any other, is there any other example of the translation being about this, the nuance of a translation being interesting, like trying to get an idea from a joke from English into Mandarin? It's very hard. And in actual fact, I very rarely did that.

Because so often it's either the language order or just particularly say, it's easier for me to explain it going backwards. I had a lot of jokes in Mandarin that were about me misunderstanding something. But when I try to translate those jokes back in English, I have to give away the punchline to let the audience know why the person was confused. Do you get what I'm saying? And stuff like that happens all the time.

So most of my Mandarin stuff, I just wrote in Mandarin. Or it was like fish out of water experiences. Like stories are easier to do than like joke jokes. So anything that's like a joke joke that I had in English, for me personally, almost impossible to translate. But some of the stuff works in both languages because it's stories. like I can tell my joke about

the fact that my last name that I picked in Chinese if you mispronounce it it means cunt right I apologize no no it's okay so I can tell that joke in English and I can tell it in Chinese

however the punchline in Mandarin isn't me saying what it means it's giving the scenario of their reaction when I say it because the minute I say it they know you know what I'm saying because they're hearing the mispronunciation but so it's

the same joke, but two different ways to tell it. That's so interesting. Now, you've performed all over the world, but this is America, so we need to know which place is best in a segment we're calling best country for old men. Here's how it works. I'm going to give you a category. For example, best noodles, and you'll tell us which country has the best, the U.S., Ireland, or China. Is that the first

question? Sure. I mean, come on. It's China. I figured it would be China. 100%. However, the Chinese food in the United States, the standards are like off the charts up these days. Really? Well, I, definitely in the coastal cities, I think the standards are very high. That's good to know.

That's good to know. We also have a sound effect for each country. Here's the USA. Here's Ireland. And we went conservative with China. The People's Republic of China. Were you afraid of offending somebody? We were afraid of being racist.

We were afraid of being racist. So we just did that. We couldn't think of anything. We were like, you know what? We're not going to bet at all on this fucking bit. You know? We're going to throw it all away for this little interstitial segment. No.

No. No. That's not what we're going to do. Claudia said that. If you heard at the end, she says the China in Mandarin. So we did the best we could. Okay. First up, best hangover food.

Oh, Ireland. Best place. By necessity. Right, right. It's sort of, yeah. Best place to date. Oh, America. Irish people were actually resistant to dating for so long.

They didn't even, the concept to them was so American. It's very, sort of the Catholicism kind of running through the blood. The culture has changed now, but definitely America's good for dating because they have rules and they understand it. And it's just better. I didn't think of it as an American export. Best hecklers. Oh, Ireland. Without a doubt.

Okay. I don't think we thought through how many times we'd be hearing these. Best place to cry in public. Oh. Oh, best place to cry. I feel like America is, because. In America, somebody might be inclined to be like, are you okay? Yeah.

You know? Whereas in Ireland, they'd be like, well, you fucking get over yourself. Which, you know, they're probably right in a way. Best curse word. Oh, shabby. China means stupid cunt. The people's the public of China. Sorry.

Wait, say it again? Shabby. That's cool. Sounds good. I think it's the tonal language. By the way, I also, I'm aware in the United States to see where it has a lot more power. And I know I'm flippantly checking it out throughout the show. But I want to point out that that's what it's,

does mean in Chinese, but also in Ireland, it does not have that power. Right. So I can be over casual with it, so I apologize. Oh, don't apologize. Don't apologize to me. I don't care. I'm a man. But I'm aware that some people might be hearing it. I think it's a bit strong. Now, you have a new special Bridge and Tunnel. It's on your YouTube channel, and you go to desbishop.net for your tour dates. Now, the new special is more about the Irish Italian battles from Queens. That's a part of it. You know, because most of my

in Ireland, I never really was able to indulge in like my childhood, because I had the first 14 years of my life was a very like New York, multi-ethnic kind of upbringing. I don't really identify with that. So this was, this was the beginning of me exploring a part of myself and it's been quite fun to be able to perform, particularly in the big cities in America, they really can identify with that stuff. But that's, that's only part of it. There's like a there's like a nostalgia section, a New York section, some more Chinese stuff, some dirty stuff, and a little bit of woky stuff. good. Yeah, I mean, I'm a pretty woke guy. I don't get supported by the people that love woke shit,

but I will not, I think it's good. I will not grift like a lot of my compadres in the business. You, well, there's two, are you being grifted against woke? Being anti-growth. Yeah, I don't go against who I am because I know that that's where the older white dudes are, are hanging. Right, right, right. Yeah. And then there dollars out for my, for my, for my maga-thong. So I'm not out there trying to get that dollar, like a lot of my, you know, a lot of my guys did. Well, I do think it's something that's And I do like, there's a kind of a fork at the road for comedians. It happens like the mid-40s maybe where they can keep being curious and interested in learning and being a little bit uncomfortable. Or they can just sink into it, you know, just sink into being mad and a little bit grumpy and like, and sort of the kids these days.

And do you see, it's a smoother ride on that. It's the smoother path over there to the- 100%. And in stand-up terms, it's really like the adoration that comes from the agree. older people it's hard it sucks them in you know whereas I I like to sort of like gently

rib them in a way where I don't put them off but I just like try I always say that it's my I'm naive because I still have a lot of maga friends I have this naive belief that I can turn them like a 60 year old gay guy thinks he can turn a 21 year old straight guy

yeah for sure that's my like maga You know, like when I'm playing golf with my MAGA friends, I think I'll just, I'll, I'll slowly get them to come over to my side. Well, I, but I, like, but that's what I mean about you have like a point of view that I think is unique because you're able to, I think that I get that. Because there's a way in which you're making fun of people and sometimes on stereotypes and I'm on, on, on all of it. But it's from a place of love and from a kind of cosmopolitan point of view. So it's almost like you're tricking them. That's the try. That's the try. Like, for example, you know, it's such a weird thing because I, by the way, I firmly believe that you should remain friends with your MAGA friends. And I said that in a bit once and I got tons, I got a lot of anger at me for saying that. And I just don't know what we gain by turning your back on these, particularly the ones. By the way, it upsets me that they haven't seen what we've seen and been like enough. It does upset me. But I'm not sure.

what you gain by leaving them completely because you hope at some stage there might be one thing one insane act and then you'll be there for them well so i think there's three things all right i think there's what you should do uh what you want to do and what doing it can achieve right and i think they're different right what you should do i think like if you're thinking about like what's in the best interest of the world biting your tongue and being available being a presence keeping that connection being a source of better information. I think that makes sense. Yes.

Then there's, but then there's also just what you can tolerate. What you can tolerate. And I do think part of it, by the way, I don't hang out with anyone who's openly. Of course, but I think there's something about, even if you know someone has continued to be supportive of what's happening, then that speaks to something, kind of a deep moral difference. And A, it's hard not to be upset about that. And then B, it's hard to pretend because if someone supports Trump right now and they just want to laugh and yuck it up and have a good time, it is asking you like, don't bring up that, boy, you certainly don't mind who's, you know, working at this restaurant. Boy, you certainly want to just pretend like you're a happy go lucky person but wouldn't do the terrible, aren't complicit in the terrible things that are happening.

You have to, you are kind of, there's a way in which not, you know, there's, it's, it's, on the one hand, yes, you're kind of staying available. On their hand, you're kind of giving up on, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, yes, I think so. Or just, or to them, or just about the situation, you have to ignore something. You have to ignore something. Yeah. 100%. And then there's what can, what can come of it, right? Which is, you know, how do you get them? We're really, we're not doing that great a job. I got a people got to want to come back. What I have them now is being dissatisfied with the obvious. things. That's where they're at.

But you know what they still say? But it's still better than Kamala. And I'm like, I don't hold back. I'm like, you fucking think so? This like experienced incredibly intelligent person versus this buffoon doing everything he said he wouldn't do. There is, uh, well, then it gets heated.

Then it gets heated. And then it gets fucking. But that's what's handy about being six for three. That's cool. That's cool to be six for three. I'm five foot nothing. And we're right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up.

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Hi, good to see you. Thanks for being here. Come on, man. What's up, man? What's up? It's good to meet you. You guys bummed? You thought Jeremy Allen White was going to walk out here?

Sorry. No, we didn't want him. We wanted you. We said no. We said no. Appreciate it. We don't want that. We don't want that, that guy.

You don't want that Kelvin Klein model? Yeah, we don't need that energy up in here. Up in here? Well, you guys, I heard you guys go crazy. You've been sober for 31 years? Yes. I've been drinking for 27 years. Wow.

How come people don't clap for that? Yeah, we admire that too. Yeah. Well, you know, I've gotten booed before for saying my sober date, so, you know, it's not always a win. Well, I'm just saying, like, you know. I was booing you for that in Ireland. But anyway, we have. So you, I want to start just, you've been making these, I think a lot of people may have seen you on social media because you made these videos

reviewing Los Angeles establishments. I just want to show one of those clips. Check out these hidden gems in Highland Park. Nah, I'm done gatekeeping. The best authentic Mexican tachery in Highland Park is home state. This is real L.A. street food. Nothing says tacos like brisket. I wanted to try a legit Wahakin beer so I ordered the Shiner Bach to watch down these Tijuana Panthers. It's my lunch break. Please don't tell my boss at Allbirds. I've been gatekeeping this next hole in the wall for far too long, Mendocino Farm. If you get Homestay and Mendo back to back and say the secret password culture, you get $8 off Jenny's ice cream. Tell them Mendo sent you.

The homestay to Mendo to Jenny's pipeline is about to go stupid twins, so tip well. Have you seen how many people have been ripping this off? Yes. It's crazy. This is why I wanted to talk to you about it. Wait, that's crazy that you brought that up. Somebody else, people keep DMing me the people that are ripping and mott. I'm like, I don't want to watch this shit.

I'm infuriated because there are people just, they're doing this bit. and it's almost becoming its own genre of all these people ripping you off. It's crazy. And they're doing, like, so I think to just talk about the bit is like I was basically just making fun of influencers and making fun of, because I lived in Highland Park and it was sad to see like Jenny's ice cream. And people say that Homestate is the best tacos. HomeState's trash. In my opinion, although I actually ate there today, unfortunately. Somebody asked me to get breakfast and I was like, sure, it's right there.

They picked it. And I'm not going to not eat. So I ate it. But then also it's like Mendocino Farms. It's actually not bad. But it's just these establishments in this like cool neighborhood. And I was like, so I'm making fun of influencers and I'm making fun of these, you know, these commercial businesses that usually ruin neighborhoods.

But so then what has happened is there's people that are doing like not funny versions of it and just being very like there's no satire. It's just direct like, this place sucks. This place sucks. This place. There's no like joke behind it. And then their video does like twice as well as mine. It's outrageous.

It's crazy. I hate it. But you have to keep doing it, though. That's the thing. But I don't want to. I literally, I did it to, like, promote a show. It's like an idea. Like, I get an idea and I'm like, I do the idea.

I hope it comes out well. And then I want to do the next idea. Like, I don't, this is what's interesting about social media now is, like, people have one thing, and it pops off, and it becomes their whole identity. I'm not interested in that. And they have to keep doing that. And then they become trapped. And it's like, I don't like being.

I don't like being viewed as doing one thing. I like to be known as being able to do multiple things. And I just would hate to be the food reviewer guy. I hate that. That's not what I want to do. I'm making fun of it. Yeah. Well, it's funny.

Well, I do think that in a lot of, people that click on, they land on the one thing that's working and they keep doing it. And maybe it'll work for a while. But that's a brittle kind of success versus finding new ways of trying to do new and funny and interesting things, some of which don't work and don't get the same views who cares.

Right. I guess. You know, or David Portnoy, he's nearly a billionaire for doing pizza reviews. I know. Have you thought about doing that? You could be a billionaire. I do. I do. I think like, I went to, you know, I went to college and I was a business major and I was a marketing major. And I do, there are things that I see that I could do in my career that could make me way more successful than what I am.

But after college, I worked in sales for eight years and I made decent money. You know, I don't come from money. uh, my family's very like working class. Barely anybody went to high school. So I was the first one to go to college and, you know, there's like these aspects of like, I could just make money and be rich, but I already, you know, I did sales and I wasn't happy. So to me it's really about, it really is like as lame as it's the sound, it is about like making the art and doing something I'm like excited about.

If all of a sudden I'm just doing food review fucking videos, then it's like I'm punching in and out. Like that doesn't excite me. You know what I mean? Yeah. Sorry, this was supposed to be fun. No, it is fun. This part of it is having serious moments where we get into it.

And I like that too. And people like that too. Yeah, I'm really, I didn't, because you guys don't know this, but they kind of, I didn't know you were going to talk about this, but somebody was bringing this up the other day, and I was like, it pisses me. People, this actually does piss me off that social media has become this thing where it's like, if somebody does an idea and somebody else likes it, they just do the idea. that seems crazy to me.

Yeah. Like I don't respect the thing. Yeah. Like, but they can't replicate the thing. Or anything or like being inspired to do your own thing from it. Well, I feel like that's what we should be doing, right?

Yes. Well, I think sometimes people say, you know, ugh, AI is terrible. Look at all this slop. And I agree. But I think a harder question is, wait, did we accidentally build a system in which semi-true

like kind of copycat boring empty words if you create enough of it you can like make money off of it like we built in a we created value for the AI slot right the reason people are creating AI slop is because there's money to be made in AI slop

because we built these sort of these algorithmic systems that reward the kind of like you know a trashy repetitive nonsense right and so people grab on that

that to me is the thing. And so when like when it's like, what are those people doing that are taking what you did and just doing their own version, they're kind of being AI, you know? They're just being,

they're being human AI. Should we find all their accounts and go, you are AI? Let's go to their houses. You know, also, there's no professional repercussions

for stealing from you. Like you can just steal now. Like, fucking when Carlos Mincere was stealing George Lopez's shit, George Lopez hung his ass over a balcony and tried to kill him. But he,

let's bring, let's bring that. He was ostracized. He was ostracized by the comedy community. Yeah, and you can't ostracize an account. Let's bring back almost killing people. I'm joking. I'm joking.

He's kidding. I'm joking. He's kidding. He's kidding. He's kidding. It's just a joke. Now, you're in a new comedy called Never Change. About a group of 30-somethings who have to go back to high school after finding out that

they legally never graduated. I feel like there's a fantasy people have of if they could go back and do it again. They'd do it better. Do you share that fantasy? Oh, you know what's funny is I've been having. this feeling a lot lately. So I played high school football, as you can tell. And, you know, we were a really good team. We went 11 and 1 my junior and senior year. And we had one guy go to the NFL on our team. We were good, but I was on the bench. I rode the bench. And I've been watching the World Cup for the

first time. And as an adult, as an older man now, I'm watching being like, wait, I should have been playing soccer this whole time. These guys are more my body to, I mean, they're obviously in way better shit. But like I like to run. I wasn't a big guy. And I'm like, I love basketball. You know, I have some agility. And I'm like, fuck, I should have been playing. Like, it's crazy at this point in my life to be like, I should have played soccer. If I go back to high school, I think I would have played soccer. So yeah, I would have done it differently. Yeah. Soccer seems like it takes a lot of. Yeah, there's no guarantee though. You would have been good at it. Yes, I would have. Okay. Yeah, I agree. I think you would have been. Trust me.

I think there's sort of a terrible thing. This is what kind of a crazy thing to say. I'm good at basketball, and I play with, obviously, I'm a short guy. So I'm like soccer. I'll fuck these little guys up. I have a little rule of thumb where if somebody says they'd be great in a hypothetical, you'd just say yes. Just say yes. Also, it's like who cares?

And also, the other thing you can do is you can tell people you speak five languages. What do they know? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, sure he speaks Mandarin. You learn three words on the airplane. I get tested about it. I'll say whatever I want.

Who cares? I want to talk it right now. I got to go. Who do you like more personally? Joe Firestone or Joe Perra? Oh, that's a sweet question. They're both great people. Joe Firestone is one of the sweetest humans in the planet.

And Joe has employed me multiple times. So I'm going to go Joe Perra. Smart. That's smart. Hollywood. Hollywood. I go where the money goes. I said I did it earlier.

I'm lying. So you're the only person on the bear from Chicago. I wouldn't say. I would, that's a great question. I would say, okay, so there's some people in the kitchen that probably have smaller parts that are from Chicago, but out of like, in season one, I think I was like probably like top 14 or 15 on the call sheet. And I would say in those top 15, I was probably the only person born in Chicago, born in Ravenswood Hospital, raised, Foster and Western. And then, I would say I was the only one, but I'm, I could be wrong. I don't know. Actually,

sweeps. I think he's from Chicago. Yeah, he's from Chicago. But most, yeah, most of the cast is not from Chicago. But believe it or not, a lot of actors, you know, they're not from the cities that they say they are in the movie. I hate that. Yeah. I hate that about that. I hate that. I think people should be from where they say they're from in the thing. Exactly. And every sports team, wherever city you are, all the players have to be from that city. That would be cool, actually. Way better. It would be way better. All right. We'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up.

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Use Lovett to Save Today offers valid for limited time terms and conditions may apply. Now it's time for a classic love it or leaving segment we call the egg of truth. The egg of truth. Very long. Here's how it works. I got questions in it. We're going to ask them to get to some truths. In this case,

it's inspired by your movie about going back to high school. So we have high school-related egg of truth questions today for all of us. Okay? By the way, do you still get like exam anxiety dreams? No. Like I haven't been in school for many, many years,

but I still sometimes think I'm about to take a test that I haven't studied. Absolutely. Isn't that wild that hangs out? I actually took a statistics class in college and it met at 8.20 a.m. on Tuesday and Thursday, and I simply did not go and it got out of hand.

Everything like, I missed one, too, and it got at a hand. And so I literally had a final exam for a class. I simply stopped attending. And I had to just, like, read the textbook. It was open book, thank God. So I kind of like could gut my way through it. But that was a scary day. I think about that sometimes.

Makes me scared sometimes. But that's actually a memory, not a dream. Right. I have the anxiety dream of like, I don't even know what this test is. You don't get those? Yeah, I used to. But then I started getting going that I was my old job dreams when I worked in sales. I went from that.

And then my dream was like, oh, I forgot to. I haven't been punching in. And I've been working for three months and you're not going to get paid. Whoa. That's a serious financial anxiety dream. I had a, I worked for Hillary Clinton as speechwriter and I was very unqualified. She should have won twice. And for sure.

and I, uh, totally. It was your speech that loved. For sure. People think that. But, uh, I have dreams about... Did you write deplorable? No, I didn't. I didn't.

You know what, I tell you something? It is, there's, on certain, certain quarters of the internet is taken as a given, like a fact that I wrote Pokemon Go to the polls. And I've been denying it for a decade. Wow. And people think my denial is a joke. joke that I really wrote it. I didn't. But even now, it seems like I'm joking, I think, because people really think I wrote it. I believe you. So who wrote it? I don't know who wrote it.

I don't know. I didn't work for it at the time. I wrote it. You wrote it? It's a good line. I use chat GPT. That's amazing. An early version. Very, very early version. The thing about it is, here's my thing about Pokemon Go to the Post. It's a great line. It broke through. People remembered it. Yeah, it was cringe. The problem, people were like, ah, this is why she lost. No, she lost for several other reasons. And if she had won, you'd think it was a good line. She didn't lose because... She didn't have enough hot sauce in the purse. Yeah, she's getting more hot sauce in that fucking purse. She does have hot sauce in the purse. That's a thing. You know that? I know that. I think you're right. I think they know that. You know about Hillary's hot sauce in the purse? I didn't know about that.

Really? Oh, let's not get in that. First question. What's an embarrassing moment from high school that still makes you freeze in the shower when you think of it filled with remorse and an embarrassment and shame? Is this for me or? Either of us. for any of us. Do you have a moment like that? A little cringy moment? I mean, you know, in freshman year high school in New York, I like, this guy said something about my girlfriend,

and I said, I said, we have to have a fight, and we had, like, this big, like, dumb, stupid fight. It wasn't even that violent, and everybody was around, and, like, afterwards I was like, this was, so... And still to stay, I think about that stupid fight. This guy was actually, like, a nice guy, and afterwards, like, we became friends again, and I was just, like, what...

That was the most idiotic thing of all time. even though the fight was pretty benevolent now but it was just I cringe thinking that I went through that with that. You had a girlfriend, that's cool. Yep. Did you have a girlfriend?

You're still in touch with that girlfriend? Wow. It's just over the years, you know. Wow, what a nice guy. People liked you. People liked you even after you broke up. Well, it was a long time ago. Right, it had some time.

1990. I had time to settle. Did you have a girlfriend in high school? I did. I had a great girlfriend. That's so cool. She was good. And then I broke up with her.

I was like, bro, I got to get out there. I got to see what it's like to be a single senior. And? I got back with her. What did you think you would grow up to be when you were in high school and do you regret not, do you regret doing this instead? Oh, that's deep. High school. I thought I was going to be like a gym teacher and I do not regret doing what I'm doing now.

No, I didn't like, I didn't really know. I remember thinking like I had one cool gym teacher. I was like, maybe I'll do that. I didn't like know. And then I was like, maybe I'll go to the army. The bar was not high. I thought I was going to be a history lecturer. Really?

That's what I thought I was going to be. I was going to be a lecturer. Yeah, because I didn't want to be a teacher. I wanted to be like a professor. You know, we say, do you say lecturer here as much? Say professor more. That was like a professor. But professor is like a higher thing.

Yeah, over there. Yeah, over there. That's what I wanted to teach history in college. Wow. That's cool. Because I, I felt like. Like, it was like, teacher just felt, in my mind, like, not as much of an aspiration. I wanted to be a college lecture.

Do you read a lot of history? I still love history. That's what I, that's all I was interested in. That's what I did in college. And that's, you know, and then I got into comedy. Thank God, because my, my BA in history wasn't going to take me very far. I think I really wanted to be in the NBA, to be honest. But like, my stepdad told me at a really young age, he's like, it's never going to happen.

I was on the team he was like you got to be the best in your town then you got to be you got to be the best in your school then your town then the state and then whatever I was like damn dude all right I get it come my dreams yeah Jesus quick when I say the word prom what's the immediate feeling you have in your body oh hell yeah wow really that's so cool yeah what about you carry because we we don't do proms in our you know like They didn't do no prom. No, they do something like it, but I didn't even go. It's not the same.

Like, it's not as much of a right of passage. I didn't have the experience. You didn't have your experience? I didn't either. I didn't go to my prom. I played, I played Nintendo 64 in the basement. Whoa, dude. Yeah, that comes up in therapy, man.

Yeah, if I went to therapy, but I don't because I don't need it. I don't even need it. I don't need it. It wouldn't even come up. We'll be right back. And we're back. I forgot to say, Carmen, yes, Carmen on Instagram for tickets to see your, your hour on July 29th at Zebulon.

That's right. Go check it out. Come on out. Do you guys like comedy? Do you like comedy? Do you like to laugh? Do you guys like me? Well, I got a show on July 29th, and if you're not there, I'm going to be so pissed. I forgot that there was a fight with Mincea.

I forgot about the fight aspect of it. Yeah. You almost got his ass killed. Yeah, I actually didn't know about that part of it. I just knew also that Rogan went after him hard for the... Oh, really? Joke stealing. Your boy.

I heard you back there. And just like that, we arrived at the twilight of another fantastic episode, which means it's time for our favorite closing segment. Second thoughts. The Lover to Leave a team has been analyzing my performance for any imperfections. And while they've come up with none,

they've done their best anyway. To compile a list for review and decide what I should regret from tonight's episode. Also, if you have any regrets about tonight's episode, this is the moment to share them. This is where we talk through the things we wish we'd done differently just for the past hour. Just for the past hour?

Yeah, just anything you regret about tonight. I'll start. I shouldn't have, I should have played the fart a third time. The rule of three is applied and we would have gotten a great laugh at. I played the Schumer Fart a third time. Can you play the fart now? Now on Iran and the NDAA. Farts are always funny.

There's nothing you can do. And then when Chuck's you were, does want it's even funnier. I also think he's missing an opportunity, which is, okay, you farted. Everybody farts, right? It's a funny thing that we're like, if you fart in the wrong time, it's embarrassing, but obviously we all do it. It's like, there's not a lot of, it's a weird thing about farting, right? Like, oh, you farted that we think that's stupid and bad. It's like, you do it, we do it. Trump does it, you know? Ha ha ha, you have to take a shit. That's basically what we're, yeah, you're, yeah, the process by which you will eventually have to shit is

continuing. Yeah. Weird thing to make fun of people for when I think about it. I think Schumer should get out there and make, like, he should do a bit about it and get, because you, you know, has it been confirmed that that was actually his fart? Like that? I don't think they got the lab guys on it. I don't know how we're, like, I don't know.

I don't know how we're going to, I don't know how we're going to. I really, at this point, we probably just would have to take his word for it one way or the other. Has he admitted it? No, no. He's, he's, he dealt it, but he didn't, he should be the bit, he didn't smelt it. He should be the fart guy. He should be like, I'm the fart guy. I'm hoping about being farty. I'm a fart guy.

Yeah. Yeah, at least, yeah, exactly. But I think he should do an event where he talks about, like, gas prices. You know, he could really make something of it. I'm serious. If I worked for Chuck Schumer, I think it is. If I worked for Schumer, I would be, I would say, turn, make lemonade, you farty bitch. Yeah. Yes. Don't work for him, bro. You're better than that. Let's see. I came down pretty hard on you for not monetizing Mandarin. Oh, you regret that? No. No, I don't regret that. I thought that was a highlight, personally. Oh, I didn't ask you how to say Cunt in Chinese. You didn't, but it came out. I said, I said, I said, shabit. Oh, that's that, cool. But it's like, the tonal part seems to be challenging. Well, because it's important.

Of course, what does it mean without? What does it mean if you don't know the tone? How does it change the meaning? So my last name in Chinese, because a B.I is a family name. So I took the B. I off of Bishop and I took the B, but it's fourth tone, B, as opposed to B, right? And then, like, the second tone is like, ma, which means numb.

right so when you if you ever go to a Chinese restaurant and you get ma la that's numb hot that's why you get the oh there's like the sheshran peppers so it's ma so it's almost like you've lost confidence in the words so you go ma that's the second time wow so there you go he's teaching me more than you're teaching me i don't care bro you seem like a good guy though honestly the sound effects on our first game were too long

actually that's been a problem throughout the night Oh, another regret. Jeremy Allen White, we'd love to have you on the show. I can promise you, that ain't happening. Fuck. I lied about not writing Pokemon Go to the polls. Funny. You wrote it.

I wrote it. Did you actually write it? No. And that's our show. All right. Thank you so much, Edith's Bishop, and Carmen Christopher. There are 109 days until the midterms. We will be back next week.

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