Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - 4/20

Episode Date: April 20, 2021

On today's episode of Macrodosing, it's 4/20, the holy grail day for weed. Special guests include Frank The Tank (who got high for the first time ever on the show) and Buddah Ben. Happy Holiday and enjoy the episode! 0:00 Frank the Tank accidentally got high for the first time off a 3Chi cookie 8:00 The questionable history of NJ State Police uniforms 10:00 Best things a tree can become 12:00 Fuck William Randolph Hearst 14:30 Bring back mids 18:00 Big THC 21:00 The origins of weed 25:00 PFT taught his mom how to smoke weed 29:00 Was Moses high off the burning bush? (Bonus: Frank’s 15 Commandments) 36:30 What smoking weed with Obama was like 40:00 Buddha Ben joins the show 44:00 The first time Buddha got high 47:00 The kid that got Buddha his weed starter pack 52:00 Exactly how much weed does Buddha Ben smoke? 53:30 Big T learns how there’s nicotine in blunts 1:00:00 Why Buddha has to smoke blunts 1:06:00 Can you still buy kindbud? 1:08:00 Science lesson from ColeyYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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No, no, no, it was because we entered, we entered the stadium as a group and we all bought tickets in the same section and then, you know, how they like, you know, put rows in between people so, like, groups can't sit together. Yep. Yeah. I mean, I'm not defending our actions. Well, you know what you know, the problem is The Mets and Yankees both got new owners this off season The Mets are owned by Stephen A. Cohen.

The Yankees are owned by Ray A. Tampa. Facts. Big facts. Huge facts. Frank's guy cases in giggles. Look at them. I love it. You guys want to just get into it?

Seems like a good place. to start. Are we still, are we recorded right now, Mikey? How high is big T right now? Big T is on zero high. Big T is a big T. That's something a high person that's what we're calling right now. Welcome back to a very special episode of macro dosing. We got a little bit of a, new crew here in the studio right now. Coley is celebrating. This is the 420 episode. So we're going to be doing a deep dive into the history of marijuana, cannabis, setiva, indica, hashish, goes by many names. The devil's lettuce, jazz cigarettes could go on. But we have a very extremely special guests coming up later. And we're so lucky to be graced at the start of the show by Frank the Tank.

A little story about Frank the tank here, about two hours ago, he unwittingly ingested half of a three-cheek cookie. And he didn't know that it was the one that had the Delta 8th C in it. So Frank just went on an hour and a half walk around Manhattan, got lost, I think. It was Pokemon. People were trying to find Frank out there. Frank, how are you feeling? I feel fine, except I have like this maybe a little push over here.

feels like a little blood rushing the nose and then the eyes and the sinuses I don't know if it's my sinuses or what other than that I feel fine you're giggling a lot though that case of the giggles I don't know I think I'm just laughing at how bad the Yankees are you know

the Mets and Yankees both the Mets and Yankees both got new owners just offseason no the Mets did they got Steve Cohen yes yes Stephen A. Cone now owns the Mets and Ray A. Tampa now owns the Yankees. Frank, what's your...

We lost Coley for a second. Cole, try to figure out how you can get off mute there. But no Arian today. Arian had a last-minute family obligation where he's out. So everybody tweeted Arian, tell him that you love him, that you miss him. I think things should be okay,

but we'll have him back on for next week's episode. I know that it killed him to miss this one. Chloe, are you still there? Yeah. I don't know why. Yeah. There you are.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That was strange. Were you saying something? Am I laggy or what? No. Am I like lagging or I was just muted?

I think you're okay now. I think we're good. Okay. We're good. I was wondering what Frank's personal history with marijuana was. That was my question. Today. No.

Hell yeah. Have you ever seen it? Yes. In fact, I got pictures on my phone here. Oh, you just have pictures of weed on your phone? No. I was in a court case one time when I was working at the court. And there was like 1,300 pounds worth of marijuana that over like a six-month period were shipped via FedEx, UPS, and D.HL from Arizona border all the way to New Jersey.

At this, like, you know, remember you didn't get, you sent away to Verona, New Jersey, and you get, like, all these, like, as seen on TV products, that warehouse was running a major drug distribution facility from, and it was marijuana. And I'm talking to fresh marijuana, like, not even ground marijuana, the weed itself in these boxes, and you could smell it. I might have gotten a high from that, if you can, fresh marijuana. I mean Sounds like you know a lot about marijuana, Frank And they had to bring it in like these hand trucks And I got the pictures on my phone

Just how much in this case was And it was like a major like a state grand jury case And surprised the FBI didn't get involved But I guess the FBI just had Who gives the fuck it's marijuana Like everyone else should be at this moment And New Jersey tried a case This one guy got 13 years

It actually does make sense that an as seen on TV network would have, like, a drug running operation. Because I've always wondered who buys that stuff. This is like, like you, like, you buy, remember that thing, the spaghetti cooker? Like, uh, mm-hmm. And you always see like on the TV, you have like address, Verona, New Jersey's. That's the place. Yes.

Okay. I find myself just saying, yes, I remember things a lot to some of Frank's references because I know that the story of behind the reference will take much longer if I don't, if I say, no, I don't recall that. So, oh, yeah, yeah, I remember Bronon. But that, it makes sense. It's like every single financial company is based in Delaware. Every single as seen on TV product is based in Verona, New Jersey, where they have a warehouse.

Yeah, I don't know if it's that anymore, but this is like this is maybe about 20 years ago, 20, 20, about the early 2000s, everything was Verona, New Jersey, Verona, New Jersey. Okay, so you've never smoked weed. Never. You know what it smells like. Yes. Have you never been curious? Yes, I have been curious. What stopped you?

I don't know, the law maybe. But, you know, I don't want to smoke because my mother's a heavy smoker and I just so, like, don't like smoking. So if I ever I did, I would try an edible. Okay. Well, you have. Well, you did. Well, by the way. Oh, my God.

What do we got? This is the pictures of these boxes and boxes and boxes of marijuana. That's a lot. Frank's showing us right now several boxes of marijuana. And these are large boxes. small boxes. These are like banker boxes and like, I mean, look at this. This is the second. Yeah, just a bunch of, uh, federal officials, it looks like. Uh, these are actually, uh, state officials and, uh, like the, uh, New Jersey state

police detectives. Really don't act like you don't know what federal cops look like. You ever know, you know, the New Jersey state police. I'm surprised no one's ever put this out for them to change your uniform. The uniform was designed by Norman Schwarzenklaude, who had a, um, Let's say a questionable, like, fandom in the 30s. Oh. What's he, like, one of the, like, German-American Bunk guys?

Kind of looks that way. Him, Hugo Boss. You can't, you can't buy a uniform anymore. You have to be careful these days. And the New Jersey State Troopers uniforms were designed after the Nazi, like with the rubber strap in the front, letter strap in the front. Really?

inspired by the, like, the Nazi uniforms, like the, and they still wear these uniforms, surprisingly. Frank, this might be exactly what the state needs to change him. Billy, are you fact-checking? Jamie's fact-checking right now. Yeah, now that I look at them, they look pretty. Yeah, they do. It's actually kind of disturbing.

Yeah, those hats. Well, look at the strapped. In the boots. That's too. Right, right, yeah. Go to a football game of the Maryland. It's almost like you hear them marching. Well, that's why Eli keeps saying Omaha.

All right. Omaha Beach. Yeah. There you go, right? I don't think Frank's high. He's way too fast to stop our blitz. Do you know that hemp, the American War soldiers uniforms? Yeah.

In Revolutionary War were made of hemp. Yeah. Our money was printed on hemp. Hemp's the reason marijuana is legal to this day, because of how useful it was. Yeah. I think there was like a mandate that you had to grow hemp if you were going to operate a farm in the colonies. Like the British government was like, hey, if you're going to be farming over there, you have to

farm hemp and send it back to us because it's, I guess we can get into the usefulness of it in a little bit, but hemp is better than using trees for paper because it regrows so quickly. And so you don't have to spend like years and years and years waiting for a tree to grow. As a matter of fact, like the whole idea that that we use trees for paper seems a little bit ridiculous to me. Like what a shitty outcome if you're a tree to become a sheet of Huffton-Mifflin paper. It could be even worse. You could be Georgia Pacific toilet paper. That's true.

Yeah. Well, it depends on if you're going to the women stall or the men stall, am I right? Either way, you're covering the shit. Yep. I always thought the best thing that you could be as a tree, best thing you could hope for, is to end up as a bracket if you're some sort of March Madness bracket that is the ultimate use anything else is really just a straight up disappointment they get torn apart too quickly something better a good bracket ending up as a perfect bracket would be that's better than being a tree nope being the four

at the final four yes yes being a basketball court frank's right you're definitely right that that would be the ultimate or what about being a baseball bat that would be good to baseball bat unless you're like if you're one of the short lifespan

if your VR as baseball bat then you just never get actually that'd be nice because you'd never get used well that that would actually be Michael Conforto or Jay Bruce who now is retired yeah

becoming Jay Bruce's baseball bat that's pretty cool that would be pretty awesome but you don't want to be like Bo Jackson's baseball bat where you get snapped Protected Redwood I think would be number one tree I'd want to be.

You're just saying that because it's got the most mass. Or you could be Chris Tables bat and gets a nice cork. Can't get cut down. Yeah. That's a nice throwback. Sammy Sosa also. But that was a practice bat. He didn't know that that one was more.

He did not know that. So, big team. But yeah, PFT, before you get too far away, fuck William Randolph Hearst. Yeah, big time, fuck you to William Randolph-Hurst. William Randolph-Hurst is one of the main reasons why marijuana is illegal in these he's the reason and it's because that guy was addicted to cutting down trees yeah he owned pretty much owned the lumber industry he saw what hemp was going to do to the paper industry and so he lobbied

to make hemp illegal marijuana no one ever really cared about it was hemp okay well you know who else is always been the advocate the amheuser bush company yep is a huge lobby against the legalization of marijuana. Of course. I mean, them, pharmaceutical companies, and anyone who views marijuana as competition is going to Congress and making sure that shit stays illegal. So, so before we get into like the history of everything, let's do like a little, a little base level check in on everybody because common misconception out there is that I'm a drug guy. I'm not really that much of a drug guy. I probably use drugs the least amount of any member of part of my take, especially Jake. That guy is always stone. But, uh, Thor and high, like legal.

This is why I'm actually missing Aryan today because Arian just him, Coley, you and Arian just are straight up hitting the bowl throughout the episodes of macrodosing that we do. I just think I could have warned this for Arian today. What is that? Dolphins. Oh, the dolphins, yeah. He briefly played for the dolphins. He didn't.

He got, but he'll tell you he got paid for longer than briefly. He collected a few checks for him. Well. Some good work. So we've got, we've got Billy here. Billy, what is your level of expertise when you come? I know that you've dabbled. Well, to be honest.

You have to say I experimented, by the way. Yeah. Marijuana is legal in New York State. I'm actually not a huge weed guy. I will come out and say, all my friends love weed, but I myself am a tweaker. I'm a tweak guy. Meth? No, like I tweak it out.

You know what you're talking about. That means meth. That's what you said. No, no, but like. Just meth into the madness. Like I've never really had that great experience with marijuana. Me personally, not to knock it. A lot of people love it.

but I'm just, you know, I, I can't really handle it. Yeah. I think that's probably because I grew up while the, like, weed is so much stronger nowadays and everyone's like rolling around with all these like wax pens and stuff that's just like, gets you too high. The THC is so high that, you know, you either pass out or, you know, have a psychotic break. So, so Billy, I'm not going to call you P Word because I do agree with you that we should bring back mids we've talked about it a little bit on this show before but we it's it's too

strong for me sometimes i just missed like being able to you ever have like a joint and you're able to smoke most of the joint without feeling like you have to bury your head in a pillow and like leave the room because you're sweating too much like you used to be able to just smoke an entire joint and life would be cool now you can't do that if you do that right now yeah you're going to become like schizophrenic or at least i will because i can't i can't handle it but yeah Coley, I know you probably disagree with that aspect, but I do think that we should bring back mids. Nothing wrong with a little sim or a steed here in there. No, I mean, one of my, like, I've said this on enough shows where enough people know this, but I only have a degree in one

thing, and it is THC. Like, I went to medical marijuana college. I am a huge advocate for way lower dose marijuana than is currently on the market because you're right. It's become this, like, weird. It's like fucking IPAs. and shit like that. Like, your beer snobs were like, oh, my beer has 14% APV, like, whatever the fuck. Like, yeah, marijuana needs to tone it down a bit. That's actually why I like the pens, Billy, because you can kind of just, like, it's a more mellow, like, you could hit it and just kind of relax.

Like, you don't have to, a joint, like, is a commitment. Like, you used to smoke the whole thing. Like, it wasn't even a second thought. But, yeah, it's fucking, like, I get it. If you grew up only on this, yeah, you probably do need higher THC stuff. But yeah, I miss, not Mids, but Kind Bud. Do you remember, Kind Bud, BFT? Yeah, KB.

That was the best. KB does, doesn't, that does not exist anymore. Yeah, you get KB. All you do is you look for like a little bit of crystals on the flower. And then you're like, okay, that's good enough for me. And then your friend comes over with like the Afghan stuff that looks like it's been dipped in confectioner sugar. And then you have that once every like six months. And then you talk about that for six months.

Remember when we got so high on Afghan? Yeah, when's the Gany come back into town? We used to have that conversation all the time. Like, man, I can't wait till the gany gets it. We used to plan out knowing when there would be good weed again in town. You'd be like, okay, alien versus predators coming out in mid-August. And that is the week that Ricky's brother, but is coming back into town. So he's going to have the gany with him.

And so we'll smoke in the... It was like a whole thing that you planned your excursions around. Now it's like every day, what you're smoking is like the highest level stuff that I ever tried back when I was like in high school. there's also something i struggle with now where because i can like go into a dispensary and see actual strains of like correct ones one thing that used to happen with me and pft is like someone would just have a new word for something they'd have diesel they'd have cush and then everything that was just better than mids or kb was just called that like oh yeah this is diesel regardless of what it actually was that's just what everyone called whatever good weed that doesn't exist anymore

I kind of missed that. You know, I, I've smelt it around people. And my neighbor, I think, I smelled from my neighbor's apartment. It smells kind of skunky. What type of weed is that? We used to just call that skunk. We used to be like that skunk bud, yeah. Now, it's probably the same thing that Koli's saying where it was just like good weed.

And so we just called it that but didn't really have like an actual name for it. But yeah, you're right. It can smell like skunk. Do you ever think, do you ever think that weed smell? is good, Frank? I noticed like a sweet smell that has on one, too. I don't know. I obviously don't know my blends.

Yeah. I kind of want to get you addicted to weed. What if Frank became like the first person to get addicted to marijuana after having that cookie? You might love watching Mets games. Yeah. You mean, I watch the Mets game and thinking every pitches is going to be like the end of the fucking world.

Right. It actually might be good for you to kind of bring down your blood pressure a little bit and relax you level you out a bit. I mean, watching Michael Conford will pop up with the runners in second and dirt or Francis Golden Door and they get second in dirt, nobody out, and they don't score just is like infuriating. Yeah, but you know what? The way that you're talking right now, you seem like you're in a better headspace.

More positive, Frank. Yeah. Get the cookies. Trust the cookie. Yeah. All right. What about you, Big T.HC? Where are you at?

Where's your background? Yeah, sure. I know I've literally never done any sort of weed at all. This is another episode that is going to... What a cop. Do you know, I actually, I didn't think about this till just now. I said something very similar. I was in high school one time, and we were with...

We were with one of the assistant principals, who's now a good friend of mine. And I said something... You were friends with the assistant principal. Well, he was all, hang on. Hang on. He was also one of the football coaches. So we were, so he was one of my coaches. And I said something to the effect of like, I've never like tried weed or alcohol. And he was like, yeah, we know. Because if you compare those two things like, we know, anyway. But no, I've never tried any weed. This is another one of those episodes where like, everybody's going to, why is Big Tea on the show? Big T sucks. He's such a problem. No, no. Don't, Big T, don't listen to those people. you were on the show for a reason every show needs a cop okay i appreciate that um but yeah i i've never tried it uh you know i went to a state university i've smelled it a time or two uh-huh yeah um but you know never uh i don't like the way you said state university that was very condescending yeah well i mean i'm talking about myself i know but you kind of you you i didn't

appreciate it there's nothing wrong with a nice fine state no no university tennessee is a great great place to be just a lot a lot of weed yeah i want to be honest as like an all my friends smoke weed and i'm like a not weed guy because it's just like it just i'll have a terrible night like i'll either pass out or i'll like you know think people are trying to kill me so i kind of feel left out a lot from weed talk right so i know at my college uh mockler state university there was a road clove road and that was like where a lot of the dorms were and they said that They said that that was like the big, just what all the pot smokers hung out was on Clove Road. Really?

Yeah, Bill? So the origin of the number 420 in its usage. So if you want to get into the little of the history. Well, yeah, yeah, let's get into the history right now. So let's go back throughout time. Let's get in our time machine and go back to like the first culture that started. All the way back? All the way back.

You want to go all the way back. Take me as far back as you get. By the way, Billy, you have a very, you have a stoner voice, considering that you don't smoke weed. You sound, yeah, and it's stoner giggle. Yeah. I kind of got a bit of like a gym brewer look to him right now. I'm going to be honest, I was like born with a brain that was on weed, basically. So like, I kind of don't need anymore.

But the pet, just permanently high. Being, Billy, you just feel like you're high all the time. Anyway, so let's go to the tri-tip where the three countries of Afghanistan, China, and Kyrgyzstan. Yep, nailed it. Yep. So let's go to the Pamir Mountains, a mountain range that borders all three of these countries and has been found evidence of wild cannabis that has been burned for almost. two and a half thousand years they've recorded usage of cannabis so this you know is where cannabis kind of started and if you could see these these hindu kush kush in these mountain ranges

are where a lot of the silk road trading routes from china would go through the middle east into europe so this is kind of where you took a drug like cannabis and it spread far and wide and they found evidence of cannabis in South Africa and ancient burial tombs across the world and it all originated in this one place. That is crazy that Afghanistan is like the cradle of opium and the cradle of marijuana. If it wasn't for all the wars going on over there,

literally all the time throughout the course of history, it would be a pretty chill place to hang out, I would imagine. So if you guys have heard about the hippie trail, so basically back before the seven, in this like sweet spot where you get songs like cashmere led zeppelin you know they talk about i lay traps for troubadours before they get killed before they go to bombay sympathy or the devil there's this whole like mythology behind this uh this trail of basically a lot of europeans uh in post world war two the world would go on this trail from Istanbul to Tehran harat Kabul

Peshwar, Lahore, and try to end up at Bangkok, famous Rush song, passage to Bangkok. And just, it was a lot of this, like, sort of tourism. Are you telling me that rock musicians, rock and roll musicians put subtle references to marijuana use throughout their songs in the 70s and 80s? But like historical. This, this changes everything. I thought I knew about Rush. But it's really cool.

I mean, I didn't realize there's this much history behind this plant. Yeah, so it became, I read that what they used to do, they used to put, like, build tepees or like little portable steam rooms kind of. And then they just toss a shitload of weed onto a fire in the middle and then just hotbox the hell out of it and have a great time. And to me, like it sounds like kind of a waste of marijuana because you're probably burning a few pounds of it to get like three people really, really high. It was also trash, though. You've got to counter that too. like you're complaining about the THC being too high now like we're talking about have you ever seen like even weed like our parents smoke like pictures of that from old high times like that was they're just smoking wheat like it was trash so you need it a lot yeah yeah you probably did need to burn more than you would now in order to get the job done i remember when uh so my mom got cancer like seven eight years ago she's okay now but uh she had to go through chemo and she was not handling the uh medicine well She was like super anxious, not really, you know, wasn't herself.

So for Mother's Day, I went out and I went to my friend Armando. And I was like, Armando, my mom, you know, like she, my mom knew Armando growing up since he was like 11 years old. He used to come over to the house. I'd be like, my mom wants to buy weed. And my mom was always the, like, last person to think that, like, she would not allow my friends to hang out with me if she knew that they were smoking weed. She was not a pro-drug person when I was growing up.

But I buy her a few grams from Armando. I take it over. And she looks at it and she goes, what is this? And I was like, this is marijuana. And she's like, well, this does not look like marijuana to me. And like, she would like point to the stems of the of the nugs that I brought up. She's like that used to be just like everywhere. It used to look like oregano combined with these stems.

She goes, I don't know how to smoke this stuff. And so I had to teach her how to smoke weed, like teaching your 60-year-old mom how to smoke weed. That was well. But it is totally different than it used to be. And that's something that, like, our parents used to tell us. And I remember that it would be like a cop that would come over and have, like, and, like, do an assembly for our entire school once a year to tell us why not to smoke drugs. And the cop would always be like, it's totally different than it used to be back in the 60s. And I always thought that that was just like scare talk.

It is a lot different. It's completely different. But to Koli's point, like if you grow up smoking it, it probably doesn't affect you as much as somebody that is not used to it trying it for the first. time but so that is um what billy what you were talking about is that the origins of the silk road that's like the first silk road right right well the silk road ran through it and because there's all these merchants they found this you know plant and they're like oh this works i can sell this and then it got spread to egypt you know they were even using the roman empire the assyrians the sumerians like all these ancient uh civilizations we're all using marijuana

and by the let me just correct myself it's the the mountains are in the tri point with jikistan and afghanistan and china so very interesting sort of makeup of you know where this sort of originating because like if you think of china you don't really think of like weed at least in my case yeah there's even even 8000 years before that in taiwan that's when they were that's when they can predate or that's when they can date the first intentional like hemp cultivation and by 2,900 bc and china they were using it for they were using cannabis tea and things like that for like gout rheumatism malaria like it's been around how do you think the first person ever got high i think they tried to probably use it

as uh like a spice or something to cook it and it it uh metabolized like an edible i would imagine it was an edible either like food or a drink yeah i think they're like there are two theories that makes sense to me one is they were putting it on their food because food suck back then. You just took whatever you could find and tried to make your meat taste good. That species didn't have accent. Didn't have what? Accent. What do you mean didn't have accent? Well, accent to the spice did I use. Accent. Accent. What's accent? It's modern sodium glumate. Okay, got it. So I think it was either used as a spice or there's also the forest fire possibility.

where like lightning just hit and then you see coli's rolling his eyes all right cole i'm thinking that's how i wasn't rolling my eyes i was legitimately thinking well i was just thinking myself like it could have been a forest fire or they just could have like thrown it onto a fire that was burning anyways but i like the idea of a lightning strike could have been i'm not saying like god being like smoked this i'm not saying you hey you guys madheads are going to like this i don't know that i subscribe to this theory but you know some people think that moses and the burning bush was weed oh really Yeah. I did not know that.

I don't know if people like... The Burning Bush talked to him, right? Well, he... It must have been pretty good. Yeah, in the form of God. What was this off the loud? Again, not saying I endorse that theory, but that is something that's... Yeah, I heard that.

Biggie did the commandments too. His were about crack. These were just like Moses... Moses high as shit. Parting the Red Sea, what if all that was just Moses, like, just smoking some really, really good stuff? You know, when he brought the edge... the 15 commandments, and he dropped five of them, of course. And the five of them were the Dow shalls.

Oh, the stuff that you're supposed to do. Yes. What are those, Frank? Dow shall not make any laws governing people's freedom of will. Okay. Dow shall not be corrupt and take money from people who only profit from keep making things illegal. Okay. Dow shall mind my own business in government.

And if it doesn't hurt anybody, you can do it. I can't believe those got left out, Frank. Did you just come up with those on the spot? Yes. Those are Frank's additions to the Ten Commandments? Put those on a courthouse. I mean, everyone knows that we've seen the video. He dropped it and then said it, we got ten, ten commandments.

Yep. Mel Brooks. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm going to go with either the forest fire or the, or the accidental spice. But yeah, people are getting, they've been getting high for a while. And I think that it also goes back to the fact that there were travelers going back and forth on this long ass road. Like, you can sell people that are on the road for a while just want to get fucked up.

That is a truism that holds to this day. Like if you talk to a trucker, it's like, yeah, just let me get messed up when I'm out there on the road by my. myself because honestly being alone with your thoughts for days at a time is way worse than being high. If you're being high, it's like you've got somebody fun to talk to. I mean, you know what the great thing about human history is? Everything has been tried. Like, for example, that poisonous mushroom, somebody tried it, died, and then they said, oh, it's poisonous. You think everything's been tried everything's been tried i don't think so i'm gonna actually have to go with frank on this one because i was you know going back how we think we got like discovered so i was sitting around a fire pit

with my buddies and like it was one of those things where it's just like let's just see what we can throw in the fire and see what happens so i could see us you know them just finding stuff like let's burn this see what happens we burn this i don't think ever everything's been tried i really don't i think that there's some we just did an episode about the ocean there's probably some shit down there you can bring up and spoken about on land or everything on land yes here's a thought is we know more about the moon surface than we do the ocean surface fact should have had frank on the ocean episode yeah frank ocean yeah oh i like it billy um no but think about this maybe if you know the place where marijuana originated wasn't on the silk road we would have never discovered it and then

how many other plants do you think are like marijuana or even better that are in more remote parts of the world that we just haven't discovered yet? You think there's like a louder version of marijuana in the rainforest somewhere? Or one that makes you even chiller and not freak out. Yeah, Billy's on the quest for finding the perfect high for him. You know, deep under that ice in Antarctica is vegetation and land because at one point all the continents drifted and they drifted from warm areas

or someone has this theory that the earth to actually expand it and that caused the continents to separate. But Antarctica, there's mysteries behind that ice and vegetation. Who knows? It might be a lost civilization under that ice. You never know.

Yeah, we haven't smoked the stuff that's underneath Antarctica yet, Frank. Maybe that. Billy, I like the idea of you seeking out the best possible weed for your brain. No, I don't want to. Billy's going to get poison ivy on, like, his lungs. Yeah.

Don't smoke poison ivy. That can actually kill you. Or they're just telling us that because it's actually sick. No, I'm pretty sure you should. I like where Billy's happened. Yep. Yeah. Do everything they tell you not to do because they don't want you to have fun.

Yeah. Grownups, man. All right. So keep going, Billy. What happens after these ancient civilizations start tracking back and forth on the Silk Road? So they're on the Silk Road. They're moving a lot of stuff. Opium's big. This is big. Cannabis is also big. There's many different forms. I'm sure

Coley can fill us in with stuff like the difference between hash oil, all these many sorts of ways they consume cannabis. But the number 420 is thought to have its origin was in San Rafael's high school. There's a group of kids at San Rafael High School called the Waldoz Group. In school, would end at 4 o'clock and it would take them about, give or take 20 minutes to get to their smoke spot where they could smoke alone. And it was 420. They would meet at 420 at this one spot, smoke there. And then it's thought that the Grateful Dead, sort of their fandom, which was sort of based around this California area, then took that and expanded it across the U.S. and then across the world as this sort of like time to blaze.

Like, you know, it's 5 o'clock somewhere, 4.20 is their number of when they would start smoking. So it sort of just became a universal thing. I like the Chume gang better. That was Obama's little crew. They call themselves a Chum gang. Is Chum even like a term for smoking weed? Because I've never heard that before. I think Shroom actually meant that they smoked the mushrooms.

They smoked mushrooms? Or whatever they did, they eat the magic mushrooms. Yeah. Yes. I think you eat mushrooms. You ingest mushrooms. You sure do. Chum.

It was Chum. It was C-H-O-O-M. The Chum gang was his crew. But I've also heard that there's like a debate on who started the 420. It's like, it's a source of contention. I always thought it was the criminal code like criminal code 420. Yeah, no. So it never existed in L.A.

With that criminal code. Like I looked it up and this seems to be the one basis. Maybe it was on episode of Dragnet. Yeah, they think that like a Bob Dylan song, it was like two numbers multiplied to each other equal to 420, but this is the only real. The spreading through Grateful Dead sort of lore is sort of the very accepted origin. You know what it could be? What?

Bill Walton might have known the high school. Then he told him Grateful Dev, he was a deadhead and he would literally spend the entire offseason when he was playing basketball going to every single Grateful Dead concert that they gave. that honestly wouldn't surprise me if bill walton was somehow instrumental in naming 420 that would the least shocking thing ever about his career i just i just looked up obama and the chum gang uh so i i can't find like the origin of the name but i did find it uh interesting so obama in his group of friends was famous for uh implementing something called roof hits which is where

this is a quote from from one of his friends when they were done chuming in a car so i guess that's what okay i don't know i don't know that word when they were done chuming in a car all the windows had to be rolled up so no smoke blew out and went to waste when the pot was gone they tilted their heads back and sucked in the last bit of smoke from the ceiling moranus also says obama was known for his quote interceptions when a joint was making the rounds he often elbowed his way and out of turn shouted intercepted and took an extra what a ass that's so it's high stepping with a joint out of the car uh yeah that's pretty sick honestly that's pretty funny uh so they after they were done chuming they would go up to the roof

well i think he's saying like just lean your head back to the roof of the car and like just suck it in oh i got you okay so it was bouncing off the roof yeah they were fish falling okay yeah got it yeah sure i don't yeah fish bowling so we're talking like uh the car we're uh cheech and chong we're in yeah we're the whole car isn't full of smoke i just like the idea of obama's friends like passing around he's like let me tax that real quick Obama. Was that good? No solid. I think the shorter that impression, the mark sounds like. Yeah, you got to go

one syllable words and let's be clear. Let's be clear. Well, we got the other one that likes doing the China. Yep. There you go, Frank. We'll have a little debate. You beat Trump, I'll be Obama. Here you go, Trump. Chew him up.

China. That's a great debate. Coley, what do you know about the science behind marijuana? I'm looking it up right now you're looking at what are you what are you Googling right now for science behind yeah I would love to know the answer how does how does weed work like in the human yeah like is it a stimulant is it psychoactive tell you can we put this on hold real quick because we got boo to bin that's going to join us so I want to get into this yeah

thanks frank uh you were amazing frank go take a nap Minds at the time I had a slushy That gave me the worst like brain freeze Where I had like passed out like five hours Yeah What's more fun Being really fucked up on a slushy Or being really fucked up on

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three two one all right we got booted been joining us the legend it's good to see your face buddha it's been a while you're out in the richest man in america these days the nfts king we're trying we're charie v's best friend thank you for having me guys big fan of the program thank you guys you're gonna you're gonna own the new york jets one day you know that that's that's a goal you know the goals to own the new york jets so if you don't know buda buddha used to work here as a producer slash cameraman slash person that yelled at me and Roan all the time if we weren't obeying his orders.

He's a good friend of ours. He's out in Los Angeles. Living the life. Are you just doing you doing freelance stuff out there? I know that you're heavily involved in the art scene, in the art heist scene, and in the sweatshirt scene. Actually, I don't want to even describe it as merch because it's art, right? It's not high fashion. Yeah, it's high fashion for high people by a high person.

But yeah, that's all I'm doing right now is just art. making paintings, selling prints, making hoodies, clothing out of the different items. And I just started with NFTs too. So the NFT is a new grind right now. But, yeah, the hoodies is, I'm dropping 100 hoodies tonight. So 100 hoodies are going on sale tonight. So I'm excited for that. Sweet.

Well, yeah, check them out. You can follow them on Twitter. Is it at Buda Ben. Is there an underscore in there? Just at Ben for Deann. At Ben for that. And Ben and then the same as Jimmer for that. Same spelling as Jimmer.

Are you related? There's no way to be sure. I think there might be a way. Can't roll it out. Exactly. Can't rule it out. So we love Ben and I want to have him on the show today because you are, I mean, no disrespect by this, but you're probably, you smoke more weed than anybody that I know

than I've ever known in my entire life. No, I actually appreciate that. I don't feel disrespect by that. But I saw your text this morning. I like woke up and saw the text because it was early here. And I read it like half asleep. And I thought you had said to come on and talk aliens. And then I went back to sleep thinking like, I'm going on to talk aliens.

And then I woke back up and reread it. I was like, oh, we, all right, well, that makes sense as well. Do you want to talk about aliens? We could do that. Yeah, we can go wherever it goes. Yeah. But, yeah, no, we make sense. I was like, oh, tomorrow's 420.

That, yeah, that makes sense. All right. So take me back to, like, the life of a young Buddha. When was the first time that you smoked weed? And what made you want to smoke it the first time? I started smoking weed, the junior year of high school. Just like, probably music. I just, like, it was very, it seemed very, like, a very positive thing in all the music I listen.

to and it's like if all these guys are are very successful and smoking weed they seem to have great ideas i want to i want to expand my ideas a bit so yeah i was a junior in high school am i am i wrong you're from pittsburgh too right i'm from new jersey and i moved to pittsburg after high school got you but like the people you were listening to were heavily pit like mac miller whiz caliphala like these type of people yeah i think that that turned that was senior year i I got very into, I discovered Mack senior year. And, but I think junior year when I was, I remember the song I was listening to walking to my friends, I was going to smoke.

It was blunt cruising by Asher Roth. I was like, yeah, they're cruising. Smoking plus. But yeah, it was a lot of that. Yeah, it just seemed like a good time. And then we just kind of went from there. Yeah. So the first time that you got high,

Did you, was it a joint? Did you make your own bong? It was, uh, my friend's bowl, shout out Clark. Um, he had a bowl, uh, and then I, I, um, there's this great Chinese food place that, um, we, uh, would always get delivery from it. And I went to call and I couldn't stop laughing on the phone. So I had to hang up that he called. But I also did like the thing that like, you know, when like someone first starts smoking and they'd never use a bowl before and you like you cough into the bowl and you shoot all the weed out like it sounds like your first experience was like an early scene in a seth rogan movie where like the rookie goes over ruins all the weed can't even make a phone call to order like ends up calling their parents

to come pick them up like were you were you scared when you smoked weed the first time or was it just like all good i was more uh i think my biggest concern was like is this going to like hurt my throat a lot. Like I thought that was my biggest concern going into. I didn't think I was going to like hallucinate or anything. We then ate icy pops, like the little like frozen like things that those are great. I remember never enjoying an icy pop more than that. See, that was something that for whatever reason I didn't even consider it all before I smoked for the first.

Like the temperature didn't cross my mind until all of a sudden I got punched in the throat. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. I remember doing all the stuff that like it's like when you spoke we, it's like you got to try a you got to try showering high and like you got to do like all these things. It's like you got to try this high, this high, this high. I was in that stage for like a few months. That's John. That's John Stewart and half baked when he's like, hey man, you ever looked at the sky on weed? Yeah, but there were people that would tell you like exactly. like Buddha said, like taking a shower high is the best. And then one time I tried it, and I was like, oh my God, yes, showering high. Amazing. I don't know where like hippies get this

reputation for being stinky because like showering kicks ass. Like just letting the water hit your head feels amazing. So right. So after your first time, you had it sounds like you had a blast, honestly. Uh, how quickly after that were you like, you know what? I like this enough to the point where I think I'm willing to make this a, I want to go pro in smoking weed. When did you make that call? There are several stages that it was like, all right, now I'm like buying weed for myself for the first time.

I remember like hitting up like this kid. It should have been a sign because he was like a, it must be the end of sophomore year because he was a, he was a junior, he was a senior in my, in my sophomore science class. So he must not. not been great at science, but he smoked weed.

So I was like, I hit him up. I was like, can I get like the starter pack, like weed, uh, like a bowl and like he might even brought me a lighter, who knows, but, but, uh, I love how this is like, this is like Buddha's addition of that scene in where Harry met Sally, where Meg Ryan is faking the orgasm in the restaurant, like Ben's in science class and he sees some kid in the back of the room just drooling all over himself. he's been he's been in that seat for no less than three years hasn't gotten above an f plus and ben's like i'll have what he's happening

yeah and then i remember i remember what he i had like the starter pack he gave me and it was like after school uh parents weren't home yet i'm like i'm going to go smoke it in the backyard and i brought a febrize bottle into the backyard into the air you tried to frieze nature? Yeah. Did it work? He knows. It could have.

I didn't get caught. Yeah, it might have worked. We had, our theory was just you take a, like the cardboard roll from a paper towel or from toilet paper and then you put fabric softer over the edge of it and then you just blow through it and it's supposed to filter the smoke out. What they don't tell you is that if you do it indoors, it still gets all over your clothes. over your clothes. So you're still going to smell real bad. But yeah. The other part of about being high or high in a group is none of you think you smell. None of you. You all smell the same thing. So you're like, no, we're, no one's ever going to know. And you all fucking wreak. All of you. Yeah. Whenever I go in the hallway, my apartment building, I'm like, man, someone's smoking weed on

this floor. And then I'm like, it clicks in my head. That's probably me. But the cardboard sploof thing, we called them sploofs with the with the laundry sheets, I had a bunch of those. And one time I came home and like right on my kitchen counter, my parents were standing there with the sploof there. And like a Google printout that was like, it was almost like a Yahoo answers. And it was like, what are these? Like the first answer was like, your son is huffing.

And it was like, I was like, I just grabbed it and walked to my room. I was like, don't go in my room. It's a flesh. Yeah. So wait, so is that, I was going to ask you, when was the first time you got caught smoking or if you ever did? Was that the first time your parents were like, hey, I think that our son, Ben might be toking. He might be inhalate. Would you call it earlier, Big Tea?

Doing. I might be, I might be doing a weed. Ben might be doing a weed right now. no it was um my okay so like beginning a junior year we had these like the PSATs um and i was like I lived on the other side of the woods from my school so I'd walk to school through the woods like with my neighbors and we would smoke in the woods before going to school and um we were smoking a blunt before the PSATs in the woods and the uh uh guy from our town who was an off duty de-age and jogging through the woods with his dog, like, stumbles upon us. And we, like,

run mistakenly towards the school. And then he takes all of our IDs. And then they actually let us go inside. He was like, all right, go to class. And then we, like, took the PSATs. And then they, like, came to our classes and suspended us and drug tested us. And that was, unfortunately, how my parents found out. And it wasn't great because my mom was like a teacher. So she had to, like, leave class to, like, go, like, meet me. They, like, they took you from our school to, like, go get drug test. You had to go get drug tested. Like, if you had caught smoking or if they suspect you're high, you have to get drug tested

within, like, a certain amount of hours. So, like, that wasn't great. And then I got suspended for a week. So did you ever have, like, a guilty conscience when you were smoking weed or how long into you, like, smoking all the time? Did you develop the sense like, hey, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. it makes me feel good and makes me do things differently that I like. Like, how quickly did that shift or were you always, did you never have a guilty

conscious? Um, I don't know. It's a good question. I don't know. I feel like I've always thought it was pretty chill. I don't know. I've never thought there was much to be like guilty of that. So I don't know.

How much do you smoke right now? a lot probably like I mean I go through so I smoke like ounces right so I get like quarters and they come as an ounce so probably like almost like an ounce like every like five days probably is it one of those things where it's like screen time on your iPhone and like you can look up and see exactly how much it is, but you never actually want to know? No, I mean, I could do the math, like how often I order an ounce because I order it through my phone, like a delivery service. I can just look at my text and be like, oh, I order it this day, that day, that day, that day.

But it's more like, I don't smoke cigarettes, right, but I just smoke blunts. So I'm like, I'm definitely addicted to the nicotine in the blunts, more than I'm addicted to weed. Like, there's been times where I couldn't smoke, where I couldn't find weed, but, like I would I'd be more like or there was times where like I didn't have a blunt but I had weed and I'd be like I just want a blunt though because I'm addicted to the nicotine in the blunts but I don't smoke cigarettes so I smoke blunts throughout the day as if someone who smokes cigarettes smoke cigarettes throughout the day so I'm not really even getting like the high the

same way at this point as like someone who like doesn't smoke all the time and then like goes and like the way that you said like you still like can shower and it's still like you'll get like you like shower while high and it's like an experience like I'm just always high so it's like there's never really like the only time it's more like I'm just like stressed out when I'm not smoking to a sense that like I just want like the nicotine probably yeah question go ahead it was my understanding until 30 seconds ago that there was weed and there was nicotine I thought weed was weed and now Ben is saying that there's nicotine in weed no comment no Good question, Big T.

I smoked once out of these things like Fronto leaf. So like it's like the wrapping of the weed. Yeah. So like. So you're wrapping weed and nicotine? In tobacco, which tobacco has nicotine in. Okay. Wow.

He's wrapping the weed in tobacco plant. Got it. It's called it. Okay. It's called a speedball. And so there's a little bit of tobacco mixed in with some of the marijuana. And it gets you really fucked up. Not my deal.

Sounds pretty. pretty badass stuff. So the way that someone, like, you know, like a joint, someone takes a piece of paper and they roll the weed in the paper. Right. Like a blunt, it's like you take this piece of tobacco leaf, you pull, put the weed in the tobacco leaf, roll it up and you smoke it like one of these. Love it.

So there's nicotine in that. So what's the longest that you've ever been without smoking weed? Like when I went to jail in Northern. for a conspiracy to incite a riot allegedly i couldn't smoke for five days that was uh well you got to tell that story well it just me being that that is not has unrelated to weed it was i was working for a company i'm schmack where we film college party videos and we went to a school called old dominion the party got really out of control then they were looking for us for the next two days they found me at a party and then put me in jail for three counts of conspiracy to incite a riot

which are all felonies and I was in there from like a Sunday night until Thursday afternoon and the whole time I obviously wasn't smoking weed so it was that was the longest time did you try to get weed while you were in jail no but there were people snorting Tylenol that I don't do that um but i saw that so there were people i don't even know if that would get you fucked up like that's just you want to you want to screw up your liver real quick yeah smoke some of this snort some of this so you didn't you didn't try to ask around you not once said to somebody hey like does anybody hear just like any swag even i didn't think it was an option like i did it i one i didn't want to be in there long and i didn't want to be forming many relationships um

but no there there no i didn't see anyone smoking anything so i didn't really feel like an option in there so you're in there for five days did you get like irritable were you cranky did you did you feel off yeah i i was definitely irritable for a ton of different reasons at that point but it was uh i had i definitely had weird dreams but also i always have weird dreams like that's what you guys should do an episode about dreams i'd be interested to hear all your takes on our dreams and where you think what you think dreams are.

So I'm fucking fascinated by dreams. I like, I like, they feel so real to me. And I hear so many people say that like, when I tell people I dream and they're like, you smoke so much weed, how do you dream?

I'm like, I don't even realize the two are correlated that like people who, apparently people who smoke, I don't know if that's a thing. Nick and people, I was going to say some people smoke too much where they're not like getting a normal REM cycle

so that so it's not exactly correlated but kind of where it feels like a little lucid because you're not totally asleep. Yeah, yeah. Maybe that's it. Yeah, we will have to do a deep dive into dreams. That's a good idea for an episode. We'll get you back on for the dreams episode. So ever since you got out of college or got out of

that college situation you've pretty much like pretty much every day you're high yeah um i i smoke weed every day um there's definitely like a i think a juicy j quote or who's who says smoke weed every day smoke weed every day snoop right snoop dog yeah or is it dr dr day saying at the end of the next episode yeah that's nate dog yes okay not not bar still nate dog but no we can't There's no way to know for sure. But yeah, I smoke every day. I tried quitting blunts last year.

That was like a goal of mine for 2020 was to stop smoking blunts just because the tobacco is not healthy, obviously, to smoke tobacco every day. But it was like right on like right before the lockdown started last year, I quit for like the last like five days, not smoking blunts. I was smoking like bongs and like doing like edibles and other stuff during that, but I just wasn't smoking blood. and like by the fifth day it was like I felt the lockdown was about to happen and I was like all right if I'm going to sacrifice my like it's like my sanity during this or I smoke once so it's

like I'm going to smoke the blunts if because there's the future is a huge question mark right now so I used to be the same way as you where like I was at my peak I was smoking like anywhere between 9 and 11 blunts a day like just constantly chain smoking them that's probably what my number is right here right yeah yeah no I was smoking like the same pace as you all that and I remember I when I was

talking about my doctor he wasn't completely sold on marijuana and it's like efficacy towards the human body but he knew for sure that blunts were a bad idea so he was like listen I'm not going to tell you to have smoking

weed but can you at least switch to like papers and not bloods so why can't you do papers I hate paper one I can't roll them to the rock cones yeah it feels like an arts and crafts project it feels like I'm trying to do like

origami like um it's very with the cones with the cone I just I don't even like the texture I don't even like touching here's what you do you don't touch them here's exactly what I first got this job and I was just in my bedroom ripping social for 12

hours a day i would pick up i would re-up i would stuff one and i would light that and then i would just grind up the whole ounce and i'd get all the cones and i would just get a tray and just stuff them and i would have them like pre-rolled cigarettes pretty much yeah i don't know it's it's just something about smoke like the pull like the pull the blunt they're definitely different the inhale and then like the kick in my throat that's like what like i live for that like at this point It's like, I need that kick. That kick is like, that, like, the blunt isn't real hit. Because there's also, like, when you smoke the frontal leaf, there's like light leaf

and dark leaf like franto where like the light leaf, you don't get that kick. It's like you need that dark leaf, like, which is definitely like the worst for you because it's like just a thicker tobacco. But like, it's like addicted to that kick, the throat kick that you get from the blunt. I feel like you sell enough of these NFTs and you're going to get to the point where you have your own blunt guy. Like a guy that just rolls them for you. Like, two chains has a blunt guy, I'm pretty sure. My friend growing up, his blunt guy was Maurice.

Maurice, he's just, he wasn't even a friend. He's just followed my buddy around everywhere. And if anybody needed a blunt, they'd be like, yo, Maurice rolled these guys a blunt. And then he put him on display and be like, watch how fast his fingers are. It was honestly like it was a work of art to watch it done. But I feel like Buddha, you're getting to the point where like you should probably have a blunt guy. Or is it like you enjoy the act? of rolling them. It's almost like a meditative thing where you get to roll your own. Or if there was an

option, would you just have all pre-rolled blunts dropped on your desk? If it was an option, I definitely would. Like I was actually thinking about the other day, like the smoking blunts is like causes like any mess that's ever in my apartment is all caused by blunts because it's the the roaches of them, the ash, the wheat on my table, all the packs of frontal leaf, the scraps of. So, like, Like, if I had someone who's just organized and rolling the blunts, but I can't afford them. I want to employ a lawyer currently. But if I can get a lawyer who also rolls blunts and does taxes. I don't want that lawyer.

You do not want that lawyer. A blunt rolling tax doing lawyer. Yeah, I think that's one employee. Benicio del Toro and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Just like half of Hunter S. Thompson's personality is what you're describing right now. but i mean who knows we probably if there's any podcast that has a demographic of lawyers who can roll sick blunts and also do ben's taxes it's probably it wants to be it could be paid in hoodies and the second half of my blunts they can smoke the second half of everyone is it's all

theirs i smoke the first half they get the second half that's their salary plus every hoodie okay well contact ben if you're listening right now near that guy i'm sure you're out there Right. So you go through blunts like nobody's business. And it does matter to you. Like, because I remember when we used to go out on the road, we used to have to make stops that usually like three gas stations in a row because we could not just buy a pack of Phillies blunts for for Buda. They had to be backwards. No, it matters. One time we got backwards, we got into the car and we hit the road. And I take the backwards packet. I pretend like I'm throwing out the window as we speed away down the highway. And Ben almost like killed me. I've never seen you that angry. I thought you were going to slit my throat from the back seat, just like stabby. It was, it was terrifying. And I was like, chill out, man.

I still have them right here. What is it about Backwoods that initially, like, you were a diehard Backwoods guy. You were so loyal to that brand. I was. And then I actually was on the cusp of doing some type of a sponsorship thing with them at one point. After like the Pop Punk Irving Plaza show. And it didn't, it didn't fizzle out. out. So I kind of stopped promoting the brand after that. But, but I don't know, it's actually,

it's been a cycle. I'm sure a lot of people listening to Smoke Blancs would relate to this. Like, in like high school, it was like Dutch masters, like the big, big Dutch master cigars. And then it became game cigars, the big games, though, the big games, not the Cigarillo's. Then I started smoking like Cigarillo games, plus Dutchmaster games, or plus Dutchmaster Cigarillo, so the smaller ones. And then later from there, backwards and now frontally. So it's been like a slow cycle. Yeah. It's, I think most people have some sort of path they take until they find like there.

It's almost like growing up grades almost. Like you definitely, I feel like I started with games because they were two for a dollar. but these cigars were I don't even have anything I can compare it to size-wise because they were so fucking big and it was carrying them all around it was like it's like

it was so much pocket yeah it was so much goddamn paper that that's why everyone switched to cigaros that was when you were becoming like health conscious like he's talking about the nicotine

it was like well these have half the paper so clearly out of the leaf yeah yeah yeah and that was it's very funny that you said it that way. But yeah, I do think Frato Leaves are what most people who stay in blunts eventually just settle on. So, Ben,

is it possible to go out and just get like Kind Bud anymore? Coley and I were talking about it a second ago. Like, I kind of miss mid-grade weed because I don't smoke that much. And so if I smoke the real powerful stuff, it's not as good at the time for me. It's like almost too powerful. So, like,

I'm sure that you smoke some pretty strong stuff. But do places even sell like lower THC? mid-grade weed anymore yeah there's i mean the weed here i mean i would consider all the weed in l.a that's in a dispensary like better than like the bad weed that you'd find in like a non-legal state but like it ranges from like there's ace that costs like 7080 plus tax that are like the like high grade stuff here and then there's ace that costs like 10 to 15 dollars plus no tax like and then like I get I smoke ounces out of blunts so it's like I'm more like quantity than like quality almost like I just want the weed to like be good taste good and like not like be

bad and like noticeably bad I just wanted to like be like because I'll smoke like very good weed that I like when I first started moving here and I would smoke the bunce I'd be falling asleep all the time I had to like take naps like constantly so like I smoke like not like the craziest weed it's like good let me see it's like what percentage yeah 16.15 percent t hc yeah so like 16 percent tachc like it's not like crazy but it's uh 8 oh5 sour like it's like i get like these brands it's like the to get ounces out here like most brands it's like you have to get like just a bunch of ace there's not brands that do like a full ounce so it's like to get like a good price on an ounce you have to like kind of look around to find them what do you guys think of THC having such a high half life like you literally have THC in your body for such a long time after consuming it good question like you're talking about for drug tests well it for drug types but like for example you know if you like if you were to smoke weed or go out and drink or do something else like you can usually work out and get it all out of your system and feel better what do you guys does it

really affect you just having the THC in your body like you know for weeks after well so this is like going back to the scientific angle you were asking before Ben joined and the answer is like THC is just one of 80 plus cannabinoids found in marijuana and I say 80 plus because they've only been truly studying marijuana since about 93 it's like a very for as long as it's been with humanity which is like i said earlier 8000 bc it hasn't really been studied and appreciated until the 90s because of all the fucking racist ass laws that have forced it to be uh schedule 1 drug um but so the reason it's 80 plus is because they're still discovering things to this day that they didn't previously know. But all those endocannab or those cannabinoids work with your body with

something called the endocannabinoid system. So just like you have a central system, like your nervous system, all the different systems, you have one of those systems in your body that naturally binds to these receptors, which is one of the reasons why I don't fully like that they're just pulling CBD out, all these CBD companies that just popped up overnight. Like there was, there were no CBD companies and then one day there were thousands of CBD companies. The reason I don't fully like that they're just pulling out that one cannabinoid is because they kind of all work in symph symphony symphony with one another. They all play off one another. So that's also I don't like when they just draw THC out and they make wax or something that's 100% THC. Like now you're

only getting the psychosis part of it that not everyone's going to, react well to. But when you take a 15 to 20% THC bud that has all the rest of the cannabinoids inside of it, they're going to know how to work with your body in a way that's going to feel more natural. Go ahead, Billy. So do you think that THC isn't sort of the defining characteristic of a high in having it like being high, it's much more than just THC and CBD? There's something totally else going on yeah i mean t hc gets all the press in the pub because that is the thing that triggers the uh psychosis part of it

like the the tripping aspect of it the euphoric aspect of it but i don't think it works the way it's intended without the other 80 plus there with it like the cbd yeah it does help people with seizures and it does help people with anxiety but you can have a lower THC. You can manipulate it to a way where they're all still in there without just straight up extracting it and trying to make it work on its own.

So it's staying in my body while yeah can suck for a drug test. It's not doing anything harmful. Like when you say sweat out alcohol and that kind of stuff, those are legitimate toxins. There's zero toxicity in marijuana to the human body. The reason like people who smoke tobacco with it, whether it's a spliff or a blunt, like yeah now you're adding something like the best way to induce marijuana in a way that's truly

has zero harm to a human being would be edible to eat it to put it in a drink anything like that the second you smoke it even if it's through something glass unless you're using fucking like you're lighting a piece of hemp to light it that way as opposed to just straight lighter in a bowl then you're inhaling the butane you're inhaling everything that is in the bowl any anything like that So truly, if you wanted to just ingest marijuana, cannabis, however you want to say it, in a way that has zero toxicity to a human being, it would be to eat it. Okay. Quick follow up.

Can dogs actually get high? I don't know if there is like an endocannabinoid system inside of a dog. However, I've seen too many pictures of truly high hounds on the internet that there has to be some way that when they're eating it. If you just ate weed, nothing's going to happen because THC. A hasn't become THC It has to be activated, right? It has to be heated up in some aspect, yeah.

Right. So if you just eat a whole shitload of like just the fucking green stuff, nothing's going to happen to you. But if a dog eats an edible where it's already been carboxulated, like, yeah, that dog probably will get high. I've seen pictures of high dogs. I was about to say like I've got a lot of just like secondhand research, just, you know, anecdotal information about if you blow into your dog's ear,

it gets high. Remember that one? I don't think that one was actually true. I think that was just like that by the way, I remember somebody being like, yo, you know what you should do? Next time you get hot, play with your dog. It's the funnest thing ever. That, it was like that and showering. Those are the two biggest tips I ever got growing up about smoking. I went home. I played with my yellow lab, Duby. Her name was Doobie. Yeah, by the way. named after Duby brothers and my mom was shocked shocked I tell you when we informed her that duby was also named for a joint she was like well that's not what I named it after but duby was very fun to play with when you were high and I'm sure that dogs can get high they seem like they enjoy it did you guys talk about already um like the but you know the the like CBD products are selling now that are like they say they have an ingredient and then that like gets you high like i think that you advertise them on like uh one of the shows you're talking about three chi delta eight three chee delta eight THHs yeah what do you understand that

like how that works i yeah so it's kind of like synthetic like delta nine is the not like k2 is it no that's why like when it first advertised with us that's exactly what i thought it was because all of us remember you're listening to avoid k2 do great k2 epidemic who was it robert Kim Dice, PFT, who jumped out of, like, a second-story apartment window? That might have been, what's his name, Chandler Jones? Well, no. So I don't know. He drove to the police station.

He drove Hyde, yeah, hide to the police station. You're right. I think it was Robert Inc. Kim Dijie did jump out of like a hotel window in Atlanta. I don't know if that has a second story window. That's the stuff that makes people Superman, right? Like you see the videos of guys like pushing cop cars, like, like superhero type. That might also be PCP.

Oh, yeah. K2 is definitely, everyone remembers the first time if you've tried it. Everyone remembers the first time that you tried it because your friend was like, hey, they're selling weed at the gas station now. And then you're like, oh, really? That's crazy. I'm 19. I won't second guess that.

And then you take one hit. And then you're like, I have to go home immediately. Get me home. On the packaging, it very clearly says not for human ingestion. Like they couldn't make it clear. But I remember one time at UMass. No one, like it was right either before or after a, like, break of some sort. So none of, no one was around.

Like everyone was dry. And so I was like, fuck it. I guess we're going to try K2. And no, you should never smoke through to. By the way, the story with Delta 8, because I looked this up, I'm pretty sure Delta 8 is when you take hemp and selectively breed it to have high THC levels. hemp as opposed to cannabis when they try to get to have the most

psychoactive effect you get the delta 8 as opposed to the delta 9 so it's not synthetic it's still a natural composed thing but since hemp was legalized in that bill the hemp act or something yeah I'm sorry growing hemp and they like I mean the bottom line is

honestly delta 8 gets me high yeah it's not synthetic it doesn't get it doesn't get everybody high I've talked to people where they're like, I don't know, it might not work on me. But for me, 100%. It absolutely. What I met, Billy, what I meant was it was like a synthetic feeling. Like, it's not the natural.

That's what I meant. I don't know if I said it correctly. So I apologize. But yeah, it is hemp derived. And also all hemp is cannabis. So do you smoke, Billy? No, did you. Have you?

I, well, the thing is I grew up when all the weed is so strong. So like you're, you know, however old you are, I went to college. a place where weed is legal. So if you were to try it in college and then you hit it and you're just like, whoa, what the hell is happening? Am I having a psychotic break? Like Googling like signs of am I going crazy? Like that's sort of stuff. Like, Philly just doesn't like smoking. Yeah, I'm not, I just don't have the right brain for it. I do think it's like, like, I feel like maybe five, 10 years ago as it was getting more legal, there was this kind of push like, oh, everyone should try should smoke. I disagree with that too.

If it doesn't vibe with you, don't do it. Yeah. Like, it's, you don't have to smoke. I don't think everybody should do everything. Like, there are people that shouldn't drive. And if you don't like drive, if you get freaked out behind the wheel of a car, by all means, don't drive. So, no, I don't think everybody should smoke. Just if you like it, do it.

I smoke every once in a blue moon and usually have a great time. But I don't, like, I get, I get too much brain fog if I do it too much. So Buddha just powered straight through that aspect of it. And now would you say that like if you, if you didn't smoke for one day, where would you be at mentally? Would you be happy? Would you be anxious? I would be anxious, but it would, it would a thousand percent be for the nicotine than the weed. Like, so it's definitely, I think I would be fine not smoking weed for a day if I wasn't addicted to the nicotine.

The nicotine is like a physical addiction. It's like you actually get like. addicted to the nicotine it's like chemical like weed you can't get addicted to weed like is there's no addictive chemicals of weed so it does have a dovagenic response which causes physical not physical but mental addiction where it's like you like it so you want to do it which is like you're addicted to food the same way exactly to weed like how you get addicted to like your favorite television show that's how you can get addicted to weed yeah yeah there's no like like it's not like there's no chemical is making you addicted like the nicotine so i think i'm really just like addicted to the nicotine

at this time like so what if we switch you over to cigarettes what if we just put you on like marble reds and said no weed boot a man how long could you last like if we were doing a thing where we paid you by the day and you had to keep a journal of your thoughts and all your feelings how long do you think you could last that would just idea of smoking cigarettes stressing me out i would like What about like finally rolled Cuban cigars? I used to like on a once I like stop smoking once in my car after like the first time that that like cost me financially with criminal law that I would like on long trips I would get like from a gas station like a black and mild and I would just like just to have like something to smoke and like keep me like busy and awake like on a trip. I smoke cigars at points when I can't smoke. blonde what about what if we gave you a jewel how much would you have to get paid a day to not smoke

weed how much would your daily fee to not smoke weed be damn i mean it has to be financially intriguing i don't know but how much for you to go to stop smoking weed i'd say at least a thousand it'd be at least a thousand a bit the way i'm seeing it like if you continue to create your art and your NFTs and your paintings, like the paintings that you do while you're stone cold sober and off weed would sell for so much more down the line because it would be extremely rare. Yeah, I mean, hard to prove. You're right. But yeah, there would be a lot of people trusting that I wasn't smoking during the process. That's true. You would absolutely lie about that, which I honestly, it's like, it's a ridiculous thing because you like smoking

weed. It makes you happy. So I say, I say let Buddha be. Let Buddha be Buddha. I would like to see what Billy's, I watched the last episode where I was fascinated by Billy's like interest in wanting to grow this frog. And the actual, the fact that according to the scientists, it actually seems like a very real possibility. Oh, very real. Basically, they were, no, but. It's so real. Like, they were doing experiments on small frogs to make them larger. Then I was like, why wouldn't we just get the biggest legal species of frog to own and make that one bigger? Like, who cares about making like a two inch frog, like four inches?

Let's take the freaking foot long five pound frog and make it to the max. Yeah. Like, what? Like, it would be like juicing up like someone who. had zero athletic ability and then just being like an average athlete instead of like taking like the best athletes ever and like giving him a ton of peds yes that's like a very like high idea so that's like why i think like billy on smoking weed would be really is actually high his ideas would be endless his brain is just like 24-7 indistinguishable from somebody who's just blazed out of

their mind on k2 actually and i also love the dynamic of that guy like coming onto the show and like it revealing that Billy was like this guy that DME just what must have been going through his mind like this guy's on a podcast he was harassing him yeah Billy was like a certain stalker I was trying to get his attention he's trying to make big fraud how did he get to me like you finally got to me yeah and I mean this actually it makes sense because Billy is the one that texted me and he was like hey there's this one guy out there who's LeBron James of biohacking you might want to reach out to him This is Billy's way around the block online where he'd be able to talk to him finally.

And so it felt like a long game. Yes. I did play the long game. Do you guys want to do a real quick, Mount Cushmore? Let's go. Test smokers? Just the highest. What about this?

We could do the highest people that you've ever seen in your life. Or just the highest people in general. the best food is the best snacks and then best songs about weed best songs that have that mentioned weed at least once what are the four so I can write these done we'll go just highest people highest people oh the other ones weren't category I thought we just had four categories yeah highest people yeah and then no I think four categories might be too much much.

Well, it's highest people, best song. Best song that mentions weed. Best food to eat high. How about this? No, instead of best food, just best name for marijuana. I like that. Like, oh, yeah. Okay.

Save it. All right. Okay. So let's start highest people. Anybody have one that they want to go first? So I have, I have an anecdote. Okay. The highest, I want.

want to be very careful because this is this uh so when i was a student at the university of tennessee i had a project for a journalism class and for the uh for what i was writing i i did it on paying student athletes in the ncdb a and i reached out to an athlete at the school who said uh that he or she would love to would love to talk to me for it and uh so this person was like hey come to apartment at this time and we can we can talk about it do the interview whatever so I show up knock on the door knock on the door nobody answers knock on door knock on door text the person and so finally the door opens and in this in this university apartment there are approximately 20 people all I walk in and there is a cloud of marijuana smoke

the most I've ever seen in my life and this this this notable division one athlete who I interviewed for a project was very very high and that's that's the highest person I've ever seen in my life okay so random college athlete that big tea interviewed one that's such a narc was it arian foster it was not arian foster how loud did you knock that's what i want to know because that knock definitely shivers down spines in that so i i come to find out they thought i was like the r a r a yes because this this person didn't tell me like oh i'm going to have 20 people in my apartment smoking weed when I told you that I could, you could

come interview me. Yeah, they didn't know a cop who's coming. That's why. Several of the people in that room are now doing very well as professional athletes. I thought you were to say, do that really, too, thank you really probably still. Overdosed on marijuana. Probably still.

There's actually an extremely similar story to that that David Robinson told one time because David Robinson is a big anti-weed guy, big straight-edge guy. And he was telling a story about his first time seeing kids from his neighborhood smoking weed it's very funny he's like talking about walking in the room he's like i walked in and they were uh i i guess they were smoking marijuana and i uh i said no thanks fellas and uh i had to get out of there immediately all right so number one on the list

is the guy that big t won't name uh because what is he like he's a criminal informant for you right now no he or she uh is i believe still playing uh professionally kansas parker not Candace Parker. That's why you put she in there. We were not there at the same time. That's why he included she. Huh? I'm going to, uh, it has to be a football player.

It could be. I don't, I don't know why Big T would have included she if it wasn't a female. Well, maybe that was to throw you off. He didn't say it until just now. No, I said it the first time. Check the tape. I said it the first time. Alvin Camara.

It was not Alvin Camara. I like that guess. I think it's probably Alvin Camara. It's, I promise it's not Alvin Carver. It was Alvin Camer. And Candace Parker was not in college. Was there 10 years before me? All right.

So random athlete who will figure out. I'm sure everyone's going to figure out exactly who it is. Booth, do you have one? I'm going to go with J.R. Smith. Just because I got a lot of respect for him making very high mistakes on a national level. I also gained the most respect for him when he had some, like, Instagram. post that was like um it was after on the title that's important to know it was right after they won the title he went on a choice it was like in a museum and somewhere and it was like a picture

of like uh like dutch men on a wall and i think his caption is like if you know you know he said specifically if you're from jurs or the east coast you know what this is and it was just basically of the dutch masters box from him from behind like like staring had taken it. He's like, wow, I finally made it to the mother. It was like art mixed with like weed and culture. It was incredible. It was a moment. I made a ton of respect for it. I like how I like how you phrase that too, Ben. It's like he's important for visibility for us as weed smokers. So like have somebody just doing it. It's okay to make mistakes. Yes, exactly. He's throwing soup at his coaches. Like that at the end of game one

in the NBA finals at one time, he was probably high when when he forgot that. they were down by um they were down by one point or they were they were tied and he thought they were winning and he didn't try to show a shot at the end of the game or what he did he did something we cleared the ball this was i got into an argument with dave on radio about this because it's like when you're in a situation like that he probably didn't even see george he'll take the first free throw he was like i cash that not a problem and so he goes and gets the rebound on the second one and steve cur is yelling at his team because people are trying to foul him because they also think that the calves are up one.

Like, he gets a lot of flack for something that a lot of people agreed with him on that court that was happening, except for LeBron, who knew what was happening. His face is his face. He was like, well, we're not going to win any games now. I was like, what? It's honestly amazing to me that in that moment, Steve Kerr was like, no, J.R. Smith is, he's so confident in what he's doing right now that he must be right. I have to refer to what J.R. is doing, and we will not foul.

It was a comedy of errors at the end of that game. It was. it was all right coli who you got there's a lot of options here I mean we already talked about bill walton I feel like he kind of supersedes all this like he is just weed as a human being I don't think he's a weak guy

he definitely the big one definitely I don't think he's like a guy who like smokes weed and all of his quotes are from like him you think he's just like a high off life guy like yeah I don't think you could go to that many Grateful Dead shows and not be a weed I think really not true bill I think he could be a hallucinogen guy, but I don't think he's like a

weed guy. I think he's probably both. Both, yeah. Probably. He's like from Oregon, too, right? Yes. Yeah, he's a big weed guy. Bill Walton Rips, bong, hit on the air. Okay, no. Yeah.

I think an NBA player is good. Like most NBA players are high out there, which is why it's one of my favorite sports. But I'm going to go with Bill Lee. the spaceman old baseball pitcher he's one of like the early pioneers of like just being high off your fucking face and playing professional sports yeah yeah he is so they why they call him the spaceman used to wear weird shit right he used to have like pretty sure it was because he was high as a kite all sorts of let's think that was it they were like yeah he's that high currently

i still think that the most impressive thing ever done by a pitcher is uh the no hitter That was thrown Pirates guy Yeah it was thrown Doc Ellis He threw a no hitter When he was high on LSD And the story behind that

Somebody did an animated sequence Of like the entire story Of how he got to the ballpark What was going through his head When he was pitching Fucking hilarious That's the most impressive thing It's ever been done

Like Michael Phelps winning All those gold medals Get the fuck out of here Like you're basically Just an upgraded fish You just swim Different distances I don't

I have a major problem by the way, with how swimming medals are awarded because the events are so similar. You can't be like Michael Phelps is the greatest athlete of all time. You can't, I don't think that you can say like Usain Bolt is the greatest athlete of all time. I think Bolt's got a better case. He does have a better case,

but he's still just running 100 meters faster than anybody that's ever done it, and then 200 meters. But I think like an all-around athlete, like a secretariat that does it while you have a jockey on your back for my money. No, but you know what I'm saying? like an NBA player or a football player I don't know

I'm just right Melo like if they had two on two and three on three Mello might have as many gold medals as Phelps exactly Michael Phelps was high I was gonna say

he's another big weed advocate yeah but um Phelps Phelps's multiple like events would be like if you Stain Bolt also won like hurdles also one like steeple chase like that's a fair comparison

Butterfly versus freestyle is like hurdles versus sprinting. It is different. It's different, but I don't know if it's that different. It's that different. Because also like the 200 meter, he also does, like the relay. Yeah. Swimming to me is just like a competition to see who's the best at not drowning. Yeah.

I still stand by my point that Doc Yel is throwing a no-hitter is the most impressive athletic feat of all time. Didn't you have like nine walks? Oh, yeah. No, he sucked that game. That's the thing. like he was throwing wild pitches and shit i think he hit a couple people i think i think so yeah i think i wrote a blog on that and i think one of the players on the other team said like they didn't even know it was a no hitter because they had guys on base every inning yeah and they like

found out who's a no hitter and they were like what the hell all right so uh billy the space man billy you're up next um so like this one's kind of hard because there's a lot of people who love to get high who don't actually seem high whereas like if you guys seen that video of Snoop Dog and how am I forgetting his name Dr. Dre? Not Dr. Dre. Young. What? How am I forgetting this guy's name?

Billy's high. No, I'm not. You know what you are. He's your Bill Lee football. Snoop Dog can be a tat. Martha Stewart. No, they had the smoke off on stage. You really can't attach Snoop Dog to anybody.

That's what I mean. He's been everywhere. He's a world's free agent. He's whizkleafel. Wiss Kleeva. Bad bunny. He was smoking weed with Wizkleaf and they were both like huffing and blowing a ton of smoke everywhere. Like those two guys like smoke the most weed have ever seen anyone smoke in their life in my life.

But they weren't the highest people I've ever seen. Right. Whereas like your buddy who greens out on the couch, like he took one hit and he's like dead. All right. So let's put Frank on the list. Frank the tank from earlier tonight. Yeah. He had, uh, he accidentally ingested some, some cookie.

So he was. had the giggles big time all right that's a good i think that's a good uh four person what's the other thing that we're going to do names names for weed you didn't name anyone i think we got our four random tennessee person frank the tank jr smith and bill lee oh i i thought yeah i realized it was four i thought i thought it was just everyone all right uh next up names best names for weed i am i'm a big fan of jazz cigarettes. Jazz cigarettes. It says so much while only saying two words. Like, it's an entire history of, uh, of culture in America. And you're just talking about a joint. I like jazz cigarettes. That's mine. Wacky tobacco. Mm-hmm. Okay. Kind of a cop move. I was going to go

sticky yicky. Sticky yicky. It's my personal favorite. I love hearing big T say sticky that's all I could do. The way he's turned to you is. That was very funny. Yeah, that was great. Cooley, what do you got? It's tough because I feel like majority of the things I've called it are just things me and my idiot friends said, like, basically inside jokes. Like, just you'd call it something and then you would all just make fun of it. So I have like 500 answers, like trying to jam through one door in my brain right now. What about you, Buddha? I think it's funny when older people say pot.

Yeah, that's what I like you. I just like how that sound. I don't think it's like a cool name for me, but I just like hearing someone like an older person referred to as pot. Yeah. Yeah. The first time I ever got caught with weed in the house,

like I started smoking later in life like 16, 17. So it was like when I came back from college, that first summer between freshman and sophomore year, and I had rolled up in the bathroom when I came home from work. And I smoked out on my porch and then my mother came home. And she went to the bathroom and she came out. And she was just like, hey, just like, make sure you clean up all your pot when you're done with it. And it was just so funny to me.

Like that she said pot. Like what about re-grade one syllable word? Reifer is good when an old person says it too. Devil's lettuce. Yeah. All right. So for that, for that Mount Cushmore, we'll go with, uh, you had sticky icky. Yeah.

Sticky. And then like in parentheses, as said by big tea. Um, jazz cigarettes. Wacky tobacco, Billy. Yep. And then when an old. person says pot i like that i think that's a strong if you guys talk about the opening scene of pineapple express with the with the like the where they're like testing the weed and stuff and the like the army

base of stuff like you know what i'm talking about yeah i love that i love the my favorite parts like wherever the comedian is he's like trying the hill a hater he's like we we should be telling people about this stuff we should be in a square right now i love that lot he's like we should be in a square telling everyone about this weed i love that i always think about that all right what's the last category again last category song best songs that mention weed can i go first i feel very strongly about this it's it's the only one that came to my mind that i know but it's one of my favorite songs and it's blunt blowing by little lane all right i know every word to that song wrap it so it starts out it's like uh i live it up like these are my last days if time is money i'm an

hour past paid gunpowder in the hourglass people faker than some flour in a powder bag i put it down like my hands hurting i'm on a natural high but i land perfect some of y'all are lovers most of y'all haters so i put up a wall and they're just wallpaper lover hate me i stay hate free they say we learn from mistakes well that's why they mistake me i got some weight on my shoulders to me it's like feathers all hell weezy call it bad weather i stick to the script i memorize the lines but life is a movie that i've seen too many times you're on the outside looking at clicks the blinds and they say never say never but fucking never mind i've been gone too long true or false right or wrong hello easy welcome i'm a blunt blowing polo draw show and and the song can turn it's on that was

that was amazing that might be the highlight of the episode if anybody is like if anybody comes at you with any bullshit and it's like why are you on the show just like that Like that video out of it. Oh, okay. Mike drop. That was amazing. God damn, Big T, you are... It's one of my favorites.

A mystery. It's one of my favorite instrumentals and the saw. I just, I love it. I love that song. Okay, so blunt blowing as performed by Big T. That's definitely a little bit of this. I'll, because like you're an admitted not drug guy, much like PFT. Right.

So like, when he says certain things, do you just have no idea what he's talking about? Oh, yeah. I mean, you could, you could tell me that song. I know clue. I mean, not even a little bit. It's just an awesome song. How you are able to remember lyrics like that with no to no tempo or anything. You just remember.

Well, I figured it was better to just list them than sit here and wrap. I mean, that would have been a bit much. You got into your own. I don't want to say rhythm. No, yeah, it was a rhythmic rendition. It was like a reading of. Right. Yeah, I just, it's just one of those things that's committed to memory, so I, I, I just, I just know that song.

It sounded like Big T doing slam poetry of little Wayne lyrics. Yeah. Snaps. All right. Mine, I think I got to go with, uh, every sublime song ever. Waiting for my Ruka. Yeah. Just every, every sublime song mentions marijuana.

or at least alludes to it in a little bit because they used to get so high and drunk when they were recording that they wouldn't really have lyrics. And so Bradley Noel would just get up behind the microphone freestyle some verses until they found one that they liked. And he was just like looking around the room singing about the things that were in the room with him.

Much like when Brick Tamland on Anchorman is just like saying that he loves things, Bradley would just be looking around the room. He'd be like, okay, I'll talk about my guitar. My guitar is right there. We got Bud Gaw. We got Eric Wilson playing bass. Oh, we got weeds. Someone's passing a blunt around. So, you know what?

I'll say every sublime song ever more specifically smoked two joints, which was a cover. But I love that song because mostly it samples Reefer Badness, which is one of the all-time great movies. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Buda, you go next. Okay, I'm going to go with up, up, and away. Up, up, and away.

and that's by any artist who's ever made a song called Up Up and Away. Whenever I see an album and there's a song on it called Up Up and Away, I always know it's going to be a weed song. The three that I'm thinking of right now are Kid Cuddy was the first one I heard. Then Lil Wayne had one too. I think Juice World just had one. And I know there's more than I'm forgetting. But whenever I see a track list and there's a song Up Up and Away,

it's always a weed song and it's always very good. I love it. That's a great way to go through life is just identify what the song's going to be about and know that you're going to like it going into it. I've never thought about that. I'm big on reading the track list before an album comes out and sending expectations in my head for what the song's going to be. And usually they don't meet, but when they do meet, it's very special. Have you ever run into a circumstance where you saw a song title and you're like, I don't think I'm going to like this album? not the full album feature a certain like when you when you see a track list and it's just filled with features and you're like you can just tell like looking at it like where what direction the album's

going in but like song there's song names where I'm like I'm going to this is going to be the best song on the album but I already know it just from the song name and then I listen to and I'm like that did not meet expectation yeah so I'm I'm like you with up up and away except for me it's like if there's a track that says anything anthem like the blank anthem that song is about to be a fucking banger usually yeah usually top two songs on the entire album yeah that makes all right coley what do you got i'm blanking on the name of the song right now is it cream or is that the band i know you know what i'm talking about pf t cream is a band yeah so what's the white room

white room that is that boss I think it's called white room yeah that cream song I feel like maybe even when the episode where Homer does weed I think that's what plays

when he sparks up for the first time like for whatever reason that song and that like 70s weed specifically like the caricature of being high that's what I associated with that that episode of the Simpsons was like an underground episode for a while like you can only find it they wouldn't

replay it on Fox you have to go in like limewire to find Simpson's Homer weed episode and it was like the lost tapes that you would watch big shit Homer got high as fuck also shout out the old Twitter account I believe it was this called Marijuana Simpson yeah do you remember that one I do talk about elite shit posting that was marijuana Simpson all right I like it bill you got in addition uh cashmere Led Zeppelin. Okay. It's more something I work out, too. The natural high of veins.

I'm not against people. Like, all my buddies smoke weed. Like, I just, I get left out. I just don't vibe with it. All right. With that, I think weed songs are the worst songs to work out to. No, but Kashmir is about weed. I don't know that song.

You would if you heard it. You know it from Godzilla. Yeah. puff daddy I just think weed songs in general they're very relaxing it's not

yeah I will work out music I will say specifically with rap though songs that are like two on the head about weed hate them

fucking hate them they have a 420 song yeah just anything that's just like real overbearing about it like I'm all set like

this isn't even a great example but ASAP Rocky is a song called LSD and I saw that on the track list I was like oh that's going to be trippy and then he's just like the whole chorus is just like LSD acid like you know

like get to the point like yeah I get it yeah I mean at least you had to do like a little bit of thinking with Lucy in the sky with diamonds you had to like right you did do the work on your own you're talking about the most creative drug there is you can't be fucking slightly creative this isn't lining up right it's actually it's shocking that the chronic

and the chronic two were such great album considering they beat you over the head with weed in those like the fucking CD was just a giant weed leaf the the insert yeah yeah the insert for uh that one if you were back when albums were physical and you had to open the booklet see what was happening it's just dr dr dr dr dr holding open a bag of weed and just inhaling it. It wasn't overdone back then. Yeah. Before we finish up, I think one thing we haven't really touched upon.

Bill we want to talk about the Cottonmouth Kings for a while. They're very understated. Billy, did you ever listen to the Cottonmouth Kings? No, I did. They were kind of like what we're getting at right now. Like, their entire brand was just weed. Like, yeah, we're the rap group, but we love, we're the rap group that raps about weed exclusively. I think it's important that you can't, like, you know, you can't make one of your vices, like your only personality trait.

Yes. Like, there's a lot of people who are just like, weed is my life. Unless you go over the top with it and you become exclusively weed, like the only thing that you ever discuss in your life is weed. That's what the cotton mouth kings basically were like. I agree with you where it's like if you, if weed is just like your thing all the time, it can be lame. But if you go hard enough overboard where it's like weed isn't. my thing it's my everything i am i've become one with marijuana no it's because you'll meet some people and they're like yo you like weed i'm like no not really they're all like there's

like and then they're just like who the fucks this guy there's like like weed like YouTubers who like are like make like a living off of like weed as like doing like cannabis videos the same way that people do like videos about other stuff like they like review different types of weed and like different bonds and brands and stuff like there's a there I mean if if you're doing it like that and making money off it like I can't knock it like that's right right right right you're like uh there's definitely like because like high times like there's like the whole like community of like weed smoker but it's hard for like them on youtube definitely because they can't like monetize like them smoking all that shit but or like the guy who shows up to

a party with a dab ring and a blow torch you're just like you're just like dude like dab is it's a crack smoking of weed Buddha you remember when you hit the dab at at the 420 festival in Sacramento yes that's a perfect example of how I was saying before I like don't get high with once it's just like a constant when I do a dab that is when it's like I'm fucking rocked and like I need to like chill and sit down and like drink some water and like that is when it's too much it's not fun dab's on fun I went through like a dab phase when like dabs became a thing and like um it was just too much it's like you had to go

buy fucking butane and shit like that yeah it's a fucking science science experiment yeah so wait is that where the dab came from like when you cough into your arm is that yeah so they they called that the dab because you would need to cough up a fucking lung like but your body went to convulsions yes that's all i had the the kid uh clark who i smoked with for my first time like uh years later at his house once and like he had like the big dabs and everything and like they would take huge dabs and i would be like they would all talk about getting too high i'd be like i won't get too high from a dab i might cough and get like half the cough too much but i was like there's no way i'm going to get too high and he was like all right and gave me this huge dab

i hit it and i quit smoking weed i threw out the weed i had me up I was like, I'm throwing it out. I quit smoking weed. I made my friend drive my car home, like, for me, like with me in the passenger seat. Because I was like, I can't operate right now. I'm too fucked up from this dab. I started smoking weed again the next day. It didn't last the quitting.

But I did quit for a night because of a dad. How mad were you the next day when you were like, oh, shit, I threw all my weed. I have to go get my weed with some worse. I was so like, no, I threw out that weed. It was very bad. It was very short-sighted of me. Yeah, it was. So, Billy, what do you got?

You were going to talk about? I was just, let's just, we have to touch upon, you know, the previous, you know, propaganda against weed. So I think maybe we have to talk about Reef or Madness. So just, you know, basically Reefer Madness was this movie that said that weed, like, cause a lot of terrible things to happen in your life. Let me interrupt you real quick. Sorry. So let's let Buddha go.

And then what we need to do is we're going to go back and, like, just piece together the rest of, like the history of it. Perfect. And then we'll put this whole part with Buddha at the, at the end. Like, so the interview with Buddha is going to start. So we'll like finish the history before we get into this. Awesome. Does that work for you?

All right. So I'm going to just wrap up with Buddha real quick. Is there something I have to do with the recording? No. Mike, you need him to send you anything? Send the video to Avery. Got it. All right.

All right. Word. Buddha. Thank you very much for stopping by. Yeah. Thank you guys for having me. I appreciate you guys. Is it like, is it a cop move of us to be like we're having Boudon for 420?

Is it cool to celebrate 420 anymore? Yes. I think for, for, for, for 20 feels like, uh, like it's like a day where everyone's just like, like, like, celebrating with me. Like it's like everyone's just like everyone's into weed that day. So it's just like a normal day for me and it feels like it's like a birthday, a second birthday. All right. Everyone else is involved. Tweet pictures of whatever you're smoking today to Buda.

I'm sure that would put a smile on his face. Word. Hell yeah. And hoodies go on sale tonight, even though I don't think this comes out tonight. So this will be irrelevant when this comes out. Are they going to sell out? Let's hope. The last hoodie sold out in under five hours.

I'm hoping to get under an hour for this one. That's the goal. Okay. And the NFTs are still going. I happen to own a Buda bin painting. I've received numerous offers, by the way, on it. Yes, Buddha's Bud's, NFT collection on OpenC's available right now.

Link is in my bio on Twitter and Instagram. All right. Love you, buddy. Take care. Appreciate you guys. Peace out. See you, Buddha. Thanks, Buda.

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So, you know, there was a French physician named Jacques Joseph Moreau who wrote on the psychological effects of cannabis use. He was a member of Paris Club de Hashishans who were a smoking club. They were explorers of drugs. So, like, this is when cannabis started becoming, playing a much larger role in Western culture. Like, people were, like, figuring out what it is. You know, we had this time where there was a lot of trade, world trade going on. And, you know, stuff like tobacco and tea was brought to Europe. And, you know, caffeine at one point was thought to make men infertile.

And, like, wives don't let your husbands drink coffee because it makes them impotent in that sort of stuff. Turns them into Peter King. Yeah. And anyway, in 1842, I really. physician William Brooke O'Shaughnessy had studied the drug while working as a medical officer in Bengal with the East Indian company. So we'd actually started getting a lot of Western exposure from the English occupation of India, you know, the Anglo-Afghan War, stuff like that, you know, because all the Indians, a lot of the Indian soldiers in the colonial army used to smoke

this hashish. And even today, it sort of became much more aware in the Western Conference. So there was an international conference in the hag about, you know, opium. Because opium was a much bigger problem and a lot on people's radars with the opium wars in China. And they banned the exportation of Indian hemp to countries that had prohibited its use and requiring importing countries to issue certificates, approving the importation, staying at the shipment was required, exclusively for medical or scientific purposes. So every new sort of, you know, be it tobacco, be it caffeine, every new plant that sort of got put on the world market was always hit with these sort of like, oh, this stuff's terrible

for you because stuff like opium would come to places like England and France and people would start smoking opium. And, you know, as we know, the horrors of opioids and, you know, heroin has inflicted across the world, there was sort of a, like, just belief that a plant could actually be so debilitating. Right. Let's back up real quick, though, because I think we need to address old Billy Shakespeare, because Billy Shakespeare, when they excavated his property and they, like, dug up all the stuff that he used to write with, they dug up his desks, all that stuff. Um, they found like, like 30 pipes. The dude fucking love pipes. He had a massive pipe

collection. And most of them tested positive for THC, for cannabis. He was just staying high all the time right at these places. And then some of them, this was a really fascinating part. Some of William Shakespeare's pipes tested positive for Coke. So he was like, he was free basing. William Shakespeare was smoking crack while he was writing Romeo and Juliet. William Shakespeare, who was on crack? William Shakespeare, who was on crack, wrote some of the best plays of all time. Put the mids in midsummer night stream. I mean, that's another conspiracy to get into to another day.

Was Shakespeare real? Yeah, because like maybe Shakespeare was just high as fuck all the time. Maybe he wrote his first couple plays, earned some money, and then spend the rest of his life just like pissing away all that cash smoking crack and had to like pay somebody to keep up the work. And then he just, like, show up in public and be like, yeah, I wrote this one again, very well. Okay. Wait, is that a thing? Back to me, crack. Yeah, some people have broken down, like, the amount of, like, words per, like, his whole catalog.

And it's like, no one human could have done all of this. So there is a, like, people think it was like a popular pseudonym that many writers carried. So there's a lot there. Some people don't think it was just him. Interesting. Or he was a curator of works. Right. Like, he would just collect all these plays.

Like, Buzzfeed. down yeah put his name on it yeah be like who did this fam cry mark cry face but there was one really important thing billy kind of glossed over that i want to put a little bit more shine on dr o'shaughnessy was a mic he was an irishman he is the link that connects medical marijuana specifically from india to the west without the irish who knows what we're doing the irish get this reputation of being drunkards, of being fighters. No, no, no, no, no. It's time we finally realize the history that is we are a weed smoking people who like to bring it everywhere with us. That's my goal on this planet. Good luck with that. Make sure that the Irish, we're not just

the only green we don't carry around is three free leave clothes. It's like we're really in this. I think it's going to be a tough hill for you to climb on that one, cool, because the brand is so strong right now for the Irish just like potatoes and beer like it's if you make it that simple like potatoes beer and fighting and i mean i'm not using birth control i get it i should we just not do things because they're hard bfd i mean good luck i i did not know that it was actually the original johnny apple seed for weed was an irish guy yeah it's important every that every uh saint Patrick's day, don't just drink. Also get high as fuck.

See, if you phrase it that way, I feel like we're on to something. That's what I'm saying. The green cross, cross faded, yeah. I know, I know, I know terms. I mean, if you look at the Irish flag, it's green, it's orange. If you look at a lot of weed, it's green, it's orange. Like, there's a lot of parallels here. You're not going to be the like the Irish.

We're also a slaves guy too, are you? Feels like you, feels like you're transitioning, Cooley. Listen, I could go on a rant about how my grand. grandfather had to buy my grandmother out of indentured servitude, but I won't. That's a different podcast. When Aryan's back, I'll make sure he knows the Irish history. I mean, it would be sick, though, if the Irish were actually like smoking weed out of potatoes. You can make a bong out of potato, right? For sure. You do have an apple is the most versatile food source we have on this planet. There he goes. Now cool, he's the George Washington carver of the potatoes.

Yeah, all these things originated by brown people. Actually, it was the Irish. I do like the idea of smoking weed out potato. I'm putting that down my list of things to accomplish in 2021. It's important to have goals. You can do it out of an apple. I'm sure potatoes just as easy. It's a pome de terre, which means apple of the earth in French. Just a little fun fact.

Thank you. Sorry for speaking French. Now then, of course, you know, I feel like a lot better. I feel like people could explain this way better than me, but the usage of marijuana legalization on persecution of minorities in the United States as it came up. So I did a little bit of research on this, and it started to become illegal around the turn of the century. Like state by state in the 1900s, they started to make cases for it being illegal. A lot of it was tied into the prohibition scene, which was just exploding.

Like telling people not to get fucked up was huge back in the early 1900s. like after world war one they had all the returning soldiers and the returning soldiers would get hooked on morphine they'd be hooked on uh they would start to smoke a lot of weed there a lot of the writers like himingway that would be over in in france and writing about their experiences in war and coming back they love to get high and so it became like a uh a popular thing in the culture where there's a large aspect of people who are now for the first time starting to get high a lot and uh it's at the same time that another side of our culture war was the prohibition group. And when the prohibition group kind of took over and they said, we're outlawing all the booze. What they did was there were a lot of alternate cafes that opened up and they called themselves tea houses. And they would sell like THCT. You could go into it. You could start drinking it, get high, watch a jazz band play. And then people that were in the prohibition movement were like, well, we can't have everybody like, it became seen as being like if you're getting high with black people as a white person that's an

moral thing to do and uh you shouldn't be doing that so they what got pushed through at that point was like a tax act that also outlawed uh the sale of of marijuana essentially and one thing I thought was really interesting around that time like we didn't call it marijuana it was called cannabis it was called there were all sorts of other names for it we just started calling it marijuana time period because there was a concerted push from a lot of the people in the press, like your boy, William Randolph Hearst, to try to label weed as being the Mexican rape drug. So they were saying that Mexicans, Mexican immigrants would smoke it and then they'd like just get crazy violent and murder people or rape people. And so part of the way as labeling it as

being like an evil weed that people should be scared of was changing the name of it from cannabis to something that sounded more Mexican, which was marijuana. And up until that point, no one called it marijuana in the United States. And really, in Mexico, it wasn't really called marijuana that much either. Marijuana was like a very specific type of, like, tobacco hybrid or something. I need to do more research on exactly what it was. But I do know that it was part of Hearst's entire campaign because he was also mad that Hemp was going to take over his paper business because he had that horizontal monopoly or vertical

monopoly, whichever one it is. And he was big time. He was big mad at the hemp industry. And so he controlled every newspaper in America for the most part, like 90% of them, maybe more than 90% of him. And he was like, I'm going to use my newspaper to put these fucking hemp farmers out of business, even though it had been grown in the United States by everybody for the last 200 years. So it was like a coalition of the prohibitionist and William Randolph Hearst that decided that they were going to make a huge push to make weed illegal. And a lot of that had to do with the racial implications that they put out there trying to make people scared of it. Yeah, they heavily leaned on.

That's why, like, sometimes when you hear stories, you just got to follow the money sometimes. It really is that simple. You follow the money. You'll see the actual reason behind this shit. That's back, too, when they were spelling marijuana with an H because the J sound, they were just M-A-R-I-H, like, just a preposterous looking word. but it was i've seen i make a comeback recently actually i've seen more people start to use the h yeah i mean it's funny looking it's a funnier looking word i'd argue yep um but william randolph

hers the dupont the dupont corporation who had just invented nylon so that's another competitor to hemp um and harry anslinger who was the first commissioner of the federal board of narcotics those were the three who really pushed this into Schedule I and making it as illegal as it still is. Like you said, Hearst was a newspaper mogul who owned just all the timber, all of it. And if you have that level of control over the media, you can make the story whatever the fuck you want.

Like literally, it's very scary. And the DuPont Corporation obviously had plenty of money, so they were helping him spread that. But it was really like, Anslinger, I don't want him to slide here at all, because this fuckface, he got up in front of Congress and testified. He said marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes. Like he said that on record, as if it was some scientific fact.

That's really all people, that white terror can get any, that's probably the strongest force on the planet, that white terror, people, just white people being that afraid of anything darker than a manila envelope. Like, that is why marijuana is still in the same. schedule class is heroin as schedule one i think it's important to point out is meaning that it has zero medical benefits that's why it's addictive it's dangerous and it has zero medical benefits that's why certain things are in there there are so many proven medical benefits today and have been for marijuana that it's never once belonged in there it's not highly addictive it has plenty of

medical benefits. It's still in there right now. No matter how many states keep letting it be legal, the federal government could shut it down at any point in time. I thought Obama would do it as one of his like every president, like remember Trump's last day, he was pardoning a bunch of people. Like every president has that last day of school shit where they just, the rules don't apply. They can do whatever they want. I thought Obama would try and slide this in under the buzzer. He didn't even fucking talk about it, which shocked me. I still think it's a bigger issue. than people realize and because they're still using it as a way to arrest black and brown people and incarcerate them at a arrest them and incarcerate them at a rate so wildly

out of sync with white people that it's like kind of a huge problem right now where the polls stand in america it's like i think it's around 68% of americans think that it should be legalized it's honestly like it's a no-brainer it's a slam dunk if you're a politician to say we want to decriminal We want to legalize it at the federal level. And, yeah, you've got, I think it's 76, maybe even higher now. It might be up to 79% of Democrats support it. And for the first time ever, a clear majority of Republican voters support it, too. It feels like this is something that would be very easy to just be like, okay, nobody cares about weed anymore.

Let's find one small thing to agree upon. Let's do that. So, yeah, it's kind of weird that it hasn't been legalized. And so this Anslinger guy, real piece of work. His brother got arrested because he was a drug user too. And then he went to go try to get his brother out of jail and be like, hey, he's, yeah, he's a drug user, but he's not one of the bad ones. It's very funny to me how they use, like, the jazz clubs as a big scare tactic. It's like people will get high and then they'll go listen to some of the most difficult music to play that sounds amazing.

You don't want that. It's like, I could understand if they were like, if they were getting up there and singing, like, like 3-6 mafia lyrics back in the 20s, right? Like, you can't have your wife going to see Slob on my knob, like corn on the cob. That, like, was their 3-6 mafia. Like, in their eyes, that was the same thing. Yes, in their eyes, it was just as bad to, like, go to a nightclub and hear somebody play a flat fifth on the scale. Or to, like, here's somebody play, like, a minor diatonic court.

Dear God, our women's pants will fall off if they hear that shit. so yeah jazz music was like a big no-no you're going to get into the world of jazz and then from there on who knows what's going to happen uh there are some badass pictures though of jazz musicians playing the trumpet while holding a joint in their hand as they do it looks cool as fuck we can all agree upon that uh so then basically uh it stayed illegal for a long time and then in the 70s richard nixon uh he put together a study he had i think one of the first um federally rationalized studies that that he conducted and the group conducted it came back to him and they said we've determined that marijuana is not a dangerous drug and he said nope fuck it let's make it schedule

one i don't care what the recommendations of my own handpicked staff say we're going to make it schedule one basically because richard nixon is maybe the most uh grudge holding of all politicians he's uh he didn't like anything that people that didn't like him liked does that make sense like to me that's something that I've learned that I've had to learn in life is if somebody that you don't like enjoy something sometimes it's okay to like that thing because like we can't you can't go around holding that severe grudges against everybody otherwise I'm going to be like someone's going to be like Richard Spencer actually enjoys Reese's peanut butter cups curious that you do as well you know like you got you got learn to separate sometimes and so

Richard Nixon could not do that and all the anti-war people people who were protesting the Vietnam escalation and who were advocating for civil rights. He knew that they were, by and large, huge fans of pot. And so he was like, the people that I oppose can't like something this much unless it's evil. And so he said, I'm going to keep it on the list of Schedule 1. Also made it easier from to arrest people that didn't like. He probably enjoyed that too.

But it stayed on Schedule 1, which as Coley mentioned, is ridiculous that's Schedule 1 because it has medical benefits. It's healthier than tobacco. It's healthier than weed, or excuse me, it's healthier than alcohol, even though I enjoy both of those things. But there's really no reason why it shouldn't have at least been studied. And now we're only reaching the point. Coley mentioned earlier that's only been studied since like 1993. That's because they made it extremely illegal to study it. So no one that you'd ever want performing science or conducting studies was able to do a study on it until very, very recently. So that's why, you know, it's, I don't think that weed is like a cure all for everything. You run to people out there

that are like, uh, oh, you have, uh, you've got cancer. You got cancer would, yeah, just boil some of this, boil some of this kind butter. You know, you run into people who are like, you've got hepatitis. Yeah, just here's some hemp cream that you can rub on your liver and you'll be good. Uh, I think that there's definitely uses for it, but we don't know. We don't know everything that can do yet because they insist on keeping it Schedule 1 for so long. Yeah, I think it's very important that people who are pro marijuana in it being legal don't try and fall into similar propaganda that was used to make it illegal. Like if you just try and sell it as some cure-all, then when it doesn't, now you're a liar. Whereas you can just be like, no, it has benefits. These are the benefits we

know of. That's good enough. If you try, like I don't like comparing marijuana and alcohol because I do see a wild difference between the two. But if you tried to reverse these, if marijuana had been legal this whole time and alcohol was the thing that was still on prohibition, you'd have no chance making that legal. Like, there's nothing you could point to other than, like, I kind of like it. Like, there's no medical benefits. There's nothing. Like, you could not legalize it in the same way you could with marijuana right now. Yeah. Yeah. So imagine that. Put Coley in front of Congress right now. Coley, convince me to legalize alcohol. What do you say? Like, uh, it makes, it makes me feel good sometimes. Yeah. It's sick that like you, people's inhibitions are lowered, so you might have

sex. Like, I don't know what else you could possibly say. Uh, gas and beers with the boys. Exhibit one, your honor, beers with the fellas. And it's just Billy and his friends on a boat. On top of a giant stump, shock on your ears. hey what you said in front of congress you play one of dana's video they're just like no the thing is with alcohol there is consequences to the inebriation with the hangover which deters uh much higher usage whereas a lot of people who smoke weed they smoke weed every day all day you can't do that with alcohol i mean so well yeah they do and they're called alcohol right but there's like yeah it's it becomes a problem he's like it's like that's a

So your thing is saying, like, if somebody, if somebody smokes weed every day, it becomes less of a problem than it is for someone who drinks every day. Right. Right. So, but we're making, making the case for alcohol to be legal. I know, I know. Okay. Couldn't. Like, it would, you genuinely couldn't. Let's see. I'm trying to think of another way that you could do it. Hmm. People getting, people getting more fights. It coals the herd more effectively. people people get drunk and do stupid things and sometimes Darwinism it makes it yeah it's a Darwinism lubricant it's a herd thinning mechanism yeah that's really the best case and it's that and Dana it's like okay these are the two reasons why why alcohol is sweet and should be legal

so that brings us up to about modern day I think we covered almost the rest of big tea have anything else to add no I think y'all can we get you high I'd prefer not to What are your reservations? What are you afraid of? So I will never, ever, under any circumstances, smoke it, ever. The smell is, I hate the smell, I don't want to smoke it. I have said in the past, if it was legal, I would consider maybe like doing what Frank did,

like eating a cookie or something. But then all my friends who do it, they're like, no, you can't do that. Like, it's so much stronger. And I'm like, well, fuck, now what's it's- not exactly like you can like titrate it you can like make it so that you're only getting certain amount by eating it right but the concern is the effect takes longer to hit so you might over imbibe over serve yourself i don't and it lasts longer so when i smoke it like this it's kind of like it hits me it's in my system for a little and it goes way faster that's why i would be

for you you should smoke not eat i don't particularly want to do either but if I was to do one, I would, I can't smoke it. Like, I would literally just, I would like vomit. Also, there has been a link in like, little disclaimer, high THC, weed with high THC properties when consumed by individuals with a family history of mental illness. It can bring out a mental illness, which is you should check with you. Are you saying my family has a history?

No, no, no, no, I'm not. We did get into Tennessee. Yeah. No, I'm just saying check it. I got into other schools. It's also another disclaimer, like a very low percentage. Right, right. And also people.

Extremely low. And the only reason there's correlations that people with mental illness tend to use marijuana more to help their symptoms. So if you think the guy who like smoke so much weed and now he's got a little off the rails, crazy, it's more that he was crazy before he started smoking the weed. And he's just been using the weed to stay sane. My family does have a history of mental illness. I just don't like hearing it from Billy.

Got it. Okay. I wasn't, it wasn't a shot you. I just wanted you. I got you, Billy. You can, you can stay sober. That's fine. No, listen. I just don't really like I, I don't understand. I don't have the desire to do it. I actually, yeah, like it's not a big deal. I feel like it's some people's thing and it's. Yeah, like I'm all for anybody doing whatever they want, the privacy of their own home, within reason. Hmm, including like stalking their wife and taking her out to a marina and dumping her overboard. whatever they want big tea obviously i just said within reason it would be buying two more porn channels while the cops were still looking for her body yeah god forbid

local man watches porn more at six it would be hilarious it would be hilarious we got big tea take one hit of weed and he's just the chillest guy ever my parents have actually advocated for me to smoke weed in the past oh my god her parents have told you smoke and on occasion when i'm when i'm you know real wound up tight. They're like, man, you should really smoke some weed at my hell of you out. Because they know I won't do it.

You should. Dude, are your parents, like, do your parents smoke weed? No. We're going to do they don't, they, my, my father had one beer can in our, or I think it was a bottle in our fridge for like years. And he doesn't drink. I don't know why it was in there. But as a kid, there was just this one, I swear to God, it stayed in there for four or five years. And it was, it just became like a running joke. Like, they don't, they don't drink to anything, but they were like at some point, like once it became very apparent that I was not going to do any of that shit they're like man maybe you should maybe you should big tea maybe you should yeah i'm not saying become like a bud of ben but like i don't know a little curiosity try some stuff yeah i did recently um dude imagine getting big tea high and then just like putting on

little wayne's greatest hits and having him just like flow in the corner along next all i have had alcohol on two recent occasions oh okay wow how'd that go um neither was enough to to really feel anything But I'm just, I'm trying to, to maybe become like a social drinker. I'm testing it out. Okay. Just, hmm. I do think that Frank should stay high. I think I, I, no jokes.

I think that Frank being high during Mets games would be really good for him. Because, so I tweet out last Friday when we were playing Mario Kart or Mario Party that the loser was going to have to bet on the Mets and watch a game with Frank. And some people were like, hey, why would you get upset about that? Watching games with Frank is fun. And yes, it can be. but for people that have never actually sat in a room with Frank during a Mets game, he screams nonstop the entire time, like top of his lungs, heart racing. It's a bad scene.

And I keep reminding, I'm like, Frank, it's 162 games. Like, you need to pace yourself. You and I, when the Braves were playing the Nats week or two ago, and it was like the fourth, fifth game of the season, and the Mets game was on the same time. So he came in. And it was the first inning of their, it may have been their first game, because they had their first series right now.

First or second game of the year. And, I mean, he was absolutely losing it. Season's over. He literally said, oh, and 162. And I was like, Frank, that's a bit ridiculous. He's like, they'll win 10. They'll win 10. 10 and 152.

So they're in first place right now. My apology is 10. Yeah. So Frank needs to chill out. I'm all on board for dosing, Frank. Just like slipping some, I've got some of the oil here, slip some oil into his water or his soders. Responsibly.

Responsibly. Yeah. I probably won't do that. But it's worth looking into if you're frank. He was a delight to hang out with today. Anybody have anything else? Any further comments? What color underwear is Big T. wearing?

Oh, that's a good one. Coley. Green. He's very neutral today. Very neutral up and down. So, yeah, I'm going to say yellow. I'm going to go dark blue. It's a...

I'm going green. because it's uh it's like a carolina blue yeah carolina blue okay well arian would have gotten that i'm pretty sure so thank you guys for listening fun episode next week we'll have to figure happy holiday happy holiday yeah oh is that a cop thing to say though i feel like it's almost a cop thing i'm actually so surprised that what that there was no like weed smoking in the studio yeah well i mean frank was high coley was high I'm very proud of you, PFT, that you made it the entire episode without once mentioning it's Hitler's birthday.

Thank you. Thank you for being proud of me. I honestly forgot. I don't have it like in my calendar or anything, Coley. Wait, is 40? You hear 420. Other people think weed. You immediately go to Hitler.

I don't do that. I don't do that at all. You know what? I kind of wish I'd smoke during this episode just to try to blow someone big T's ear. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. I went on a road trip with two. former employees of this company who had a propensity of a very what's up with you just not naming anybody

ever well yeah i just you just always are like two people who used to work here there was an alleged male and female it was black jack and paul it was black jack and paul and we were in canada where weed was legal and paul laduca uh loves him some marijuana and we were in a car for four consecutive days and uh he he took to heart which you just said and really enjoyed uh smoking weed and you refused Well, it's not only, I mean, he was like blowing it in my face. Like, he thought it was hysterical. It sounds like it was pretty funny. Yeah.

Well, yeah. All right. All right. That does it for this episode of macrodosing. We'll have Arian back on next week. We missed him. But there was a fun episode nonetheless. Let us know any constructive feedback you have.

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