Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - 9/11 ft. Large and Anne McCarthy

Episode Date: September 8, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the entire crew is back and welcomes on special guests, Large and Anne McCarthy (2:18:45) to talk about September 11, 2001. Hear everything from their personal experiences on 9/11 to how it has impacted their lives to this day. All of this and much more on today's show. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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Now, you have to be 21 to purchase. All right, we're back. The only podcast on the internet. is back. Sorry that you didn't have any podcast to listen to earlier this week, but took a little break for our Mentals and for recreations. Arian and I went to Lake Charles, Louisiana, the happiest place on Earth.

I can confirm that Arian Foster is the world's best slot player. He's a fucking slot fanatic. Up there. I'm fucking up there, bro. I'm getting up there. I had hit, a shorty hit on 800, and I hit the next day I hit on 1K. It's pretty good. Yeah.

So all the haters that say that Arian didn't have good enough hands to play out of the slot, think again. Think again. How much were the slots you were playing? Hold on, how long had you been holding on to that? It just occurred to me right now when I said that you're like the greatest slot player of all time. I was like, I should probably make a joke about his hands. Aaron, you think if I had gold like that, I would have been able to save it for this long? I don't know.

That's a pretty good, yeah. Would it emptied the clip on you. down in Louisiana but yeah it was it was a good time you are very talented at the slots um I got my clock clean night one and blackjack night two and three kind of came back a little bit but it was a fun time shout out to the LaBerge Casino Resort and the Barstow Sportsbook there LaBerge is like the nicest it's such a nice place if you're passing I had no idea I had no idea I'm like two and a half hours I'm definitely going to come back and then they had that uh was that steakhouse with

Emery, the Emory? Yeah, was it Emory or? Yeah. Inber or something like that? Ember. Definitely started with an E. But that was one of the best stakes I've had, though. That shit was, we went back the night we left.

That shit was amazing, man. Yeah, it was fantastic. And then we did the Lazy River there. Lazy Rivers, I think that's got to be one of my favorite inventions of all time. We didn't even give a shit that it was raining outside. We were like, you know what? We're going to sit in. No, that enhanced the experience.

If you've never swam into rain, It's one of the greatest things there is to do. I would say Lazy River is my favorite body of water. I mean, rafting. Rafting's a little. Lazy river's better. But like when you get a bunch of tubes and tie them together and then you go down at real river. You're talking about tubing, yeah.

No, no, but not like tubing from a boat. Like you all tie up. You float the river. Float the river. Yeah, that's a real river. That's fun too. Lazy rivers, I think Lazy rivers are a little bit nice. I know, but it's like adds to the danger.

The outdoor. And you also have like a cooler. There's no animals in them. I'm straight, I'm good. You had a cooler that's also tied up. Yeah, that's fun. I prefer the real deal. I'm not going to, I'm not going to sit here and besmirch floating a river because I love doing that.

But lazy rivers, I think, are the best body of water. It trumps them all. Quick question. How much, what price spins were you guys playing on slots? That was, that's a question for area and I wasn't playing slots. So, 88 cents at the beginning, but what I noticed was that you hit a little bigger when you go a little bigger. And so I know these machines are set up for you to lose, but I think if you just stay at it, like, you'll hit. And so I bumped it up to a $1.50 a spin.

Oh, wow. And then after that, I started hitting like really big. And so I would like win twice. There's all kind of bonus. They're fun as shit. And then I would go to another machine And I usually go where nobody was Like if it's like really heavy traffic

I'll try to stay away from them And I would only do like aesthetically pleasing ones I know it's a little subjective But I like the ones with the buffalo on it Yeah That stares into your eyes Yeah those buffalo's they're everywhere That's like a very common one

I love the buffalo If y'all notice there's like some problematic slot machines Yeah The most recent time I played slots was Uh, UT played a basketball game in Connecticut at Mohegan Sun so we went to the casino and there's like Chinese slots that have like some very stereotypical Chinese characters in them we should cancel the slots there's uh there was a crazy rich Asian slot machine oh really yeah oh my god okay so my shirt is being to me I don't know

if you heard this pft but do you remember we was at the blackjack table it was all and I got I got cleaned out on the blackjack table too but we was all sitting there and there's that like drunk white dude. Okay, so wait, where was this? Was this on the main floor or was this in the Yeah, main floor. Okay. Main floor.

Yeah, so I remember there was a drunk guy that had like a weird hand tattoo. It looked like a prison tattoo or something like that. Yeah, he was right by you. Yeah. And so my girl's Vietnamese. And so my girl was just standing behind me. She don't play blackjack. And then there was this dude.

And he says the most racist shit ever, dog. He goes. It's funny, but it's fucking racist. And I was like, I was like, yeah, I don't want to, I don't want to start no shit. But he was like, because my girl was like talking about the slots that she hit, she hit like $800. And the machine, it was crazy rich Asian. So it's like the theme of the movie. And so it's like all the little slots and stuff are people's heads or like items from that movie or whatever.

And then they were talking about it. She said, yeah, I played the crazy witch agent. And some dude goes, yeah, my girl's playing the slots right now. man when she gets drunk she's a crazy rich Asian and then he does his eyes like that and I'm like oh no oh yeah and I was like maybe his girl's Asian maybe that might lighten him over not she was like Mexican

he was just being racist you can't do that yeah I don't want to I want to ruin the vibe by like calling him out what does that even mean it's just it doesn't really mean he just wanted to do the Asian eye yeah it was a segue to the other bad joke he was looking for an excuse to do that I had nothing in my guy And I was like

That was a good lesson for me Because my younger days I would have tried him But I was like I just didn't I'm too old to fight Like I didn't want to fight him Yeah and on the casino floor If you see two guys fighting

Then the security runs over And you'd probably beat the shit out of him Because he was 60 Yeah In his No no it was the younger dude It wasn't the old cat Oh it was

Shit It was the younger dude right next That guy was drunk too Yeah Oh shit yeah Yeah, well, that guy, I was going to say the older dude had no, had at least a built-in excuse because one, he's old, one he's old, two, he's hammered, three, it looks like he spent the last, like, 30 years in prison, which that would probably be like one of the least racist things that he's probably said in prison. You know, he was, he was, he was, like, he was, like, he kept fucking up because, like, they're super serious about putting the larger chips on the bottom. Yeah.

And so, like, if you have a cheaper chip on the top, you know what I'm so on the bottom, like they flip out. They just, they won't deal the hand unless you fix it. And he did it like six times. I did not see the young guy do the, do the Asian eye stereotype thing. But it would have been, if you had gotten to a fight with him, you would have beaten him up and then security would have come over and then you would have gotten in trouble. Now, but the big question is, is your. girlfriend mad at you for not saying anything about it. I thought she was going to be.

And she was like, nah, because she knows, like, I'm, I used to be kind of a hot head. And so, like, she knows that was growth for me. And, like, we were all having such a good time. Like, that would have just ruined the shit, you know what I mean? Like, and then we'd had to go back. I probably got kicked out and, you know, that whole bunch of, we were there because, you know, the bar still thing. I was like, ah, it was just too much. I would have been like, sir, I don't know this man.

I don't know him. He just, he says he does a podcast with me. I don't know what that is. I think if he would have like, I think it's different like if somebody physically assaults you, but like verbal stuff is like you can get over as we grow. Like it's still shitty. But I think she was good.

Yeah. Well, yeah, we weren't going to let anything ruin the great time that we had built up in the Lazy River, which is fantastic. So I want to do a tour of Lazy Rivers. Tell me, if you guys know any like must hit Lazy Rivers in the United States, I feel like that's something that. I would go to a destination for it to experience the top 10 lazy rivers in the United States. Yeah, I'm down.

Send me that list, too. There's a good Lazy River, not great, a good one, in Houston at one of these hotels. It's on a rooftop, and it's the outline of the state of Texas that goes around the rooftop. Send me that. I'm in it. I'm dumbed down. We interviewed John Clayton next to that Lazy River one time. RIP. Oh, RIP. Oh, also RIP. I don't know if anybody watches battle rapping here.

but there's a dude named Pat stay Pat Stay was the battle rapper he was from Canada he was super nice super involved in the culture super cool dude matter of fact he was up at Barstool yeah and I was there he was I don't know if you remember him PFT yeah but he was then while we was filming the science fair the portion

when it was just me and you he actually came in the room and I was gonna speak to him and he was like I was like hold on one second because Big K was there too I don't know if y'all know battle rap like that but he was there but like RIP man he got stabbed in Canada this yeah he's a good good friend of our coworker Rhone. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's a terrible situation. Yeah, that's tough. I don't know how to segue out of that. I was going to do something fun about Lazy Rivers, but... Maddie beat someone up this weekend. Oh, yeah, yeah. Maddie, yeah, she was throwing hands, I heard. She was bragging about it before we started podcasting.

Matt Dog got into a fight with the dude. You guys? Okay, you guys, chill. No, I didn't. I almost got in a fight with the dude this weekend. not over Harry Styles Actually like actually But I was in Columbus

Over Harry Styles? No not over Harry Styles Shockingly enough No This weekend I was in Columbus For the high state game And I was out one night And I was sitting at a table

With all my girlfriends And these two dudes came up to us And we're like Oh we're new to Columbus We're trying to make friends And we couldn't avoid like saying Hi to you guys And I was like oh this is bullshit like already

Like that's so creepy I hate when guys do that. Wait, what specifically about it was creepy? Yeah, that doesn't sound creepy at all. It sounds like people came over like, hey, we're new in town. I don't have any friends. You guys look friendly. Hello.

And Matt's like, ew. Yeah. Well, yes, because they just came up to us. They came up to us without like, it was two of them. But then there was like four people behind them like watching like their entourage. And I look at them. I go, why do you have a fucking entourage with you? And he was like, oh, we're just trying to make friends.

I was like, oh, okay, we didn't say anything because none of us are from there. So we're like, oh, we're all visiting. Ha ha. And then they just decide to sit down, which I hate that move. I hate that you just decide to sit down at my table move. And so then I was pissed. So then I was like kind of being short with them. And I think I'm not, I'm never short with you guys, obviously, because you're all my bosses.

But like, are we all your bosses? Well, not all. I am now officially your boss. Keep that on tape. Wait, legitimately, do you think that. Billy is your boss. No. Should I?

No, but. I do want to give Billy somebody to be the boss of, though. I think that would be good for him. Jake Malice. Yeah, Jake Malicek. I think I'm not thinking of Maddie. Yeah. Can I get an intern?

You know what I'm saying, Aaron? Like, I would like to teach Billy responsibility, much like if you get your, your child. A dog. I think it would be good for Billy to be somebody's boss. I think Jake Malicek is a good start. Okay. I'm going to get my own intern. Oh, God.

But yeah, so the dude sat down next to us. And so then I was just being. short with him and all my friends kind of backed out of the conversation so then it was just me and these two dudes like and I was just ripping on them and I was like oh okay ha ha whatever I was like calling them dumb to their face I was not excited to talk to them and the two dudes were like oh what do you guys like what do you do and I was like oh I didn't say that I worked here I just said I work in journalism don't know why I said that because I don't do that it's what I majored in I don't know and my roommate was next to me and she said I do marketing they go oh where do you guys live in the city I said I live

in New York you know whatever he goes oh I just moved from white plains where you live I said you know what neighborhood I live in and he was like the other dude was like oh so you think you're the shit because you live in New York City and I what I thought was a joke I was like yeah I think I'm actually awesome and I was like you guys you know whatever like you guys aren't as cool as me making a joke I thought and so the dude made a very ablest joke at my friend and I'm gonna say it but I didn't say it these are my words he said well my cousin

with Down syndrome could do marketing in New York and I was like you came up to us started talking to us and now you're making fun of me fuck you wait isn't that a very progressive thing to say though like he didn't say it like progressively though and I was like okay

and he was like what do you make $22,000 a year and I was like no then I start lying because I'm like fuck you buddy so then I start lying about like I make so much money and all this stuff and he was like just because you make a lot of money doesn't mean you have a good career and then I go what the fuck do you do and he was like I'm a neurology major he's in college and he's like a neuroscience student cool whatever I don't care but just stop talking me and I was like oh so I turned the friend this guy must be an idiot I can never

do neuroscience but I was like oh so this guy must be a fucking idiot and he's like oh ha ha yeah he goes oh yeah you think I'm a fucking idiot and I was like he's like you're never going to get anywhere in life where are you coming from yeah well okay this This guy is definitely in cell vibe. Yeah, he's self-vive for sure. And he had those teeth like cartoon characters have where it's all one straight row. You know what I'm talking about? And it made me so mad.

And he was wearing an Aztec patterned short sleeve button down that was two sizes too small. Like literally try harder to look like an asshole. And so I was like, literally go fuck yourself, dude. And he was like, oh, yeah, you think you're a hot shit. And I was like, I do. So why don't you back the fuck off? I was getting so mad. None of my friends are helping me.

I'm there by myself. And the other friends like, dude, back off like, chill. And he was like, no, no, she thinks she's all that. She's never going to do anything with her life. And I was like, where did you come from? We're at a bowling bar in Columbus, Ohio. Chill on it. And then I was like, do you want to go outside right now?

Like, I'll go outside. And he was like, oh, yeah, you think you could take me? I could take that kid in a heartbeat. And I was like get away from me And I was like get the fuck off my get out of my table And he was like oh you think you can kick me out I go I know I can kick you out get up I love how I love how everything he says starts with oh

He did and it was it was like he just kept Telling me that I was never going to do anything with my life And I was like I didn't tell that I worked here Because I don't think sometimes I if people get mad I can like kind of drop the bar school card This dude wasn't gonna get impressed by that so I didn't I was like okay whatever leave And his friend

takes him out and I give him the double bird to his face I go go go fuck yourself and I hope my mom thought listening to this and I was like go fuck yourself dude and the guy's like I'm sorry about my friend I just met him a month ago I go I don't give a fuck get him out of here and then I was shaking and then he left but I was like I almost took him outside and I wouldn't have felt bad about it and I was like who who comes up who comes up to someone at their table that they weren't invited to and then rags on them for like 10 minutes I was so mad and then I was like shaking because I had like adrenaline going I'm like foaming at the mouth right now talking about it I was like shaking because I was so upset and like I had adrenaline running through me and then I was like I don't know

what to do with myself now because the dude was still in the bar but I was like I don't know I don't know what to do and it was like a weird older bar so I was like by far one of the youngest people there so I couldn't do anything older bar like everyone there was like 50s and 60s retirement community. What kind of bar is this? How are you there? I don't know. My friends took me there.

It was a fun place, but it was like one of those bars like, it was like a parents night out bar kind of thing. And I was like, who are you, dude? And it made me so mad that the dude is wearing the fucking Aztec short sleeve buttonedown shirt with the fucking cartoon teeth. Like, he didn't look real. And then he's telling me that he's a neuroscience major. Okay.

All right. I can tell that you're upset. We didn't even get to the Harry Seil stuff. Yeah. He didn't fucking spit on. I can tell that you're upset right now. I need to take a couple deep breaths and relax. Sorry about that, guys.

I want to kill this guy. Same. I want to kill this guy. I mean, honestly, I don't really know like what the crux of the entire argument was. It sounds like they just got off to a bad start with you and it just kept digging in. And I don't get mad that often. And I, they just. That's what I'm saying.

I don't really understand what the fight was about. But I do know that Mad Dog doesn't get mad at people. So if she's actually furious at this guy She's probably in the right about it They were just like They were just bagging on me And my job and my roommate's job And I was like, what are you doing?

To be fair, your job Your job was fake That wasn't your job But I didn't tell us Still, they're making fun of my made up career What was the amount of money You told them when you said you lied And said you made a ton of money

Oh like $200,000 Which they don't know that I was just curious What number you would say when you were lying about how much money you made. Yeah, I said like 200K. So it sounds like these guys just, they wanted to make friends with your table

and they approached it and maybe the most clumsy, least smooth way possible. You can tell that this is their mindset because I've studied these people. They think that women owe them something. Yes. So they walk over, sit down at their table. And they're like,

they don't even give like a like any sort of leading remark to sort of seem attractive or be like, hey, you mind if we sit here? No, they were like, we're going to sit here now. What sort of leading remark would you have made, Billy? Well, well, there are ways to do that without, but they came in. They were expecting something. They were like, like praise us.

What, give me, give me, give me, give me a Billy live, you hit me spick game. Yeah, I want Billy's leading remark. Well, it depends on the scenario and like, it's this scenario, Billy. Yeah. Well, this scenario. You're at a bowling bar in Columbus, Ohio. It's a bowling alley with a bar. It's like a, it's one of those like, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a,

Like an arcade bar type thing. So, Billy, let's set the scene. You're in a bowling bar in Columbus. Everyone around you is 70 years old. Except this one table of Mad Dog and how many of her friends? Five girls. Five girls who are all under the age of 70. Okay.

Oh, here's an easy one. You walk up at the table. You go, hey guys, it looks like we're the youngest people here. You mind if we take a seat with you guys? Yeah, they didn't say that. That was very smooth. And then if they say, and then they're like, no, we don't know you. then you'd be like, oh, sorry to intrude, walk away,

start look like you're having a lot of fun because then the people staying down might not be having fun. They say, hey, that's a fun group of guys. Yeah. We're not having fun. We want to find some fun. Maybe we should invite them over. Yeah, no.

They just came over and started ragging on my fake job and my roommate's real job. I think, I think Billy's right, though, that the... The taking of the table is to aggression. You should not do that. You're an intruder. You're not a potential suitor. Yeah. Yeah, you're a threat.

And the one dude, the one, the one dude that is an evolutionary term. No, Billy's acting like it's a family of gorillas out, like in the jungle. And then a stranger comes in and sits down and starts eating bananas with you. Yeah. And that's, it showed me its teeth. Look at his teeth. It's a cartoon. They probably stared you in the eyes.

Well, I kind of channeled my inner billy. I kind of channeled my inner billy for a second because the one dude that I didn't want to fight was trying to like have a conversation with me. and I just kept spinning it back. Like, I wasn't, I was being very direct, which I usually am not. I was just kind of being like, I don't know, not really giving into the conversation. And I think the dude I wanted to fight kind of got scared because I was, if he was an in-cell, which I'm going to, I'm going to paint him as an in-cell. He's a neuroscience major.

Yeah. And I was, and he was saying, is that a red flag bill? his IQ is probably too high for his problem solving ability yeah but I think the I think the dude I wanted to fight got threatened by how conversational I was yeah you were too he was probably intimidated you were too calm

yeah I was too calm and then and then I pulled the move when he was leaving where you know when you're angry but then you act really calm to kind of scare someone I'm like oh yeah dude just get and he was like oh fuck you and I was like okay yeah totally He probably thought he was flirting. I don't know what he was about to get punched in the face. And I wear, here's my thing.

I've never gotten in a fight. I've never got close to a fight. That was the closest I've probably ever been to actually punching someone in the face. But I think that he was like, oh, what's she going to do? I wear like eight rings at all times. I have like brass knuckles built in. I will, I will punch you. I don't know what would happen in my hand if that happened.

Don't take those over the border. you can get an international weapons charge they're just rings this is where Billy just make stuff up brass knuckles my buddy got arrested to take brass knuckles into Canada I don't have actual brass knuckles

okay I thought you actually women can wear rings on her hand I didn't know they were rings no it's like when Billy said that he he had to register his hands as lethal weapons I didn't when you get when you get your boxing license

you're a professional and that in court a court of law it's a whole different uh billy's court talks are very funny last week we we were going out to long island and um i forget how we got on the topic but oh yeah kelly our good friend kelly she works here at barstool she's pregnant she came up and she was talking to us about how like emotional and she was being in hormonal she was feeling that particular day and then billy goes yeah you know like uh pregnant women can't get charged murder they just get they just get manslaughter And I was like, Billy, that's definitely not true.

And I'm pretty sure it is. But it's in Ireland. It's only in Ireland. And I was like, I don't think that's true either, Billy. And then he said, yeah, if you're on your period in Ireland, you only get manslaughter charges. Okay, I blame my mom for this because she told this to me. I'm serious. Don't you put that on Miss Billy.

Yeah. She knows. But Mad Dog, we're glad that you didn't get into a fight because you would have killed. that guy. I also probably would have gotten like arrested or something. Yeah. Oh, gender in the insanity defense in 19th century Ireland. So it's been a while. It might be. It sounds like maybe one case where somebody pleaded insanity. Yeah, might have just been one case. Yeah, but I'm going to go with that. In Ireland, if you're on your period, you can't get charged with murder. It's just

manslaughter. Have that it, ladies. That's your purge. Maybe she just told me that to scare me That she might kill you Never date a woman from Ireland I never piss her off Yeah Oh well mad dog We're glad that you're safe and sound

Thanks guys And if you need ability to kick that guy's ass Just you're his boss So you can let him know People forget that's how mad dog get hired She's my boss. She would be Billy's boss. Billy never brought me eggs either.

Well, all my chickens got killed. Thanks for bringing that up, mad dog. It's a little insensitive. Maybe this is why people get into that. This is why people get into that. I'm joking. I wish there was a video of that interaction, though. I wish I could have seen the guys sit down.

In that circumstance, Billy's right. The best way to start talking to a table of girls is you just have more fun. and then they want to hang out with you. That's how it works. And it's just like, what, what do you talk about with two random strange men that are coming up to? And then I was one on two. And I was getting double-teamed. And I didn't know what to do besides just get mad.

Oh, Aryan had quite a reaction to that. Oh, no, no, no. Wrong verbiage, wrong-verbage. Sorry, I didn't mean like that. I didn't mean it like that. I didn't mean it like that. Make a clip of that real quick. No, no, no, no.

I didn't mean it like that. But yeah, no Fuck them Fuck those dudes I think mistake number one Was hanging out in Columbus I loki Okay

Low key Columbus is really really fun Okay It is I can see any Any big college town Could probably be fun It was fun

Also people were really ragging on me For wearing Ohio State stuff I'm sorry I didn't want to stand out Are you not allowed to Wait wait you were wearing Ohio State merch Yeah

But I'm a not And you're a Notre Dame fan And they were playing against the game? No. It's still weird. I know. Guys, I'm a 23-year-old girl that wanted to fit in with her friends. Okay.

That's it. That's honestly a fair example. Like I did that by wearing a shirt. You had to say. Yeah. I get it. That's a very good excuse. Just want to fit it.

Yeah, we got to shake that. We got to shake that. Go against the grain. That's even funner amongst your friends. No, but then I was like meeting all my girlfriend's friends and I didn't want to be like, oh, why are you? It was a whole thing. But Columbus was actually.

Columbus is a very fun town. She didn't want to rock the boat. I didn't want to rock the boat. But Columbus is very fun, I will say. I'm a boat rocker by nature. You are. Yeah. That was dogged up with Mad Dog.

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Bill uses it all the time. It's a great product. Concrete off. Yeah, Columbus is fun. Okay, well, I mean, teed-off has some work to do after that one. And the thing is, I don't even have a really good one this week, so it's going to pale in comparison. And M-D-D-Off.

Yeah, someone said what I'm mad about. Yeah, just consider that was T-D-D-Off. Dogged up. really the only thing I've teed off about isn't even I'm not even mad it's just a recent occurrence in my life I've I've developed a crippling addiction to candy crush saga oh god what year is it I know um it's bad I'm staying up till like 1 30 in the morning playing candy crush yeah it is addictive what mevel are you uh I just started the other day I'm at like 150 but I and I check to see if the thing from 2012 still worked

where if you run out of lives and you go into your settings and change the time forward four hours, it gives you your lives back, and it does. So I still just have unlimited lives and I just play for hours on end. It's a big problem. Wow, I didn't know that that was the thing. How'd you get into it in the year of 2022?

I recently purchased an iPad and my girlfriend was playing it on there and then I was like, let me try that. And so I played it, and then I just kept playing and then she like wanted the iPad back and I was like no I'm playing this for the foreseeable future and then did that till like one in the morning and then did it again last night and I plan on doing it again tonight so in something that was supposed to be a bit I've also picked up an addiction to Yerba Matee who I don't think you're there oh you missed this yeah have you heard of

Mathe, Aryan? Have I heard of matte? No, I don't think so. It's this thing they do down in South America. Anyway, it turns out I realized why all of your way in Congress in Argentina drink it all the time. And everyone's addicted to it because it is addicting. It gives you a buzz. Yeah.

So that's why you're doing it, just to get a buzz at work. Yeah. Got it. I mean, you can say the same thing about caffeine. Caffeine's addicted. Yeah, but this is different. Yeah. I'm going through crippling.

withdrawals right now from Zen and I'm replacing it with Yerba Mate has it kicked in yet it's kicking in a little bit it's helping out I just are y'all are you all plugging something is this a no no no no it's just a T that Billy brought in last week oh okay you thought he went into ad mode yeah yeah yeah not a plug you tried this Yerba Mate stuff yeah got really weird for us well Yerba Mote actually it's just called mate I think Yerumonte is an actual brand so just Mate this is I actually like Big T's ad voice that he did right there. That was good, Big T. Well, it was me doing Billy's ad voice.

Yeah. It was good, though. It's like when Billy speaks in Russian, in the Russian accent. Yeah. You could actually read a hell of an ad if you were doing your Billy ad as Billy reading an ad. Yeah, yeah. So go into HQ real quick. You're going to do the second ad when it comes up.

But as far as your Candy Crush saga addiction goes, you should stream it. You should go live on Twitch. I might. Streaming Candy Crush. Oh, we need a Twitch for this, uh, for this pot. Yeah. It'll be dope. What would you twitch?

What would you Twitch? I mean, Aaron will do Valoran all day. What will you Twitch? I don't. Oh, it's going to be Valor for the most part. Yeah. It's Valorant or, you know, I'll play the show on there. Oh.

Yeah. I mean, Candy Crush, I actually think would be a, it would be an interesting. Nobody's thought of, of streaming like an app game like that before, I don't think. But my problem with Candy Crush was when I. got really into it, if I played it for a long time and I put it down, I started grouping things in my eyes when I was like looking around into like pairs and like triples and quads and like I, my eyes would act like this is a very mad dog thing for me to say, would act like I could move things around and find patterns in the real world since I've been staring at

this. Do I sound completely insane? I see what you're going for. You sound exactly like me. Yeah, now I realize how she must feel when she's, like, explaining her brain. But in Candy Crush, I feel like there's a correlation, though, because that's what you do to, like, move things along. And I started to do that, like, traffic lights. I'd be like, ooh, that's a triple right there. It really fucked me up, so I had to quit Candy Crush. So are you, are you, but you're happy with your addiction, right? You're not trying to quit.

It's fun so far. We'll see how long it lasts. What, does anyone know, are the levels just infinite? Is there an end to the game? How long does it go? No. I know, like, my roommate's on level, like, 1,200. Oh, okay, so I've got a while.

You've got some time. Candy Crush Saga currently holds 12,455 levels. That's so many. Hmm. But, yeah, I haven't done that in a long time. I haven't done Candy Crush. Quit that shit called Tarky. I have an app called Widoku.

And it's just, you. You try to beat your score, and there's no point to it. You just eliminate squares, and it's just nonstop. And I've been doing this for about a year now. Woodoku? There's no goal. You just keep going. That's kind of Zen, though.

I like it. Yeah, that's pretty common. It's more like a fidget tool. I need fidget tools, and so it's more like that. But there's no goal. All right, Big T, anything else you're teed off about? I'll tell you one thing. teed off about you ever have your wallet in your pocket and it's just like really thick and you're

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Yeah, they are. We waited so long, and now you can just get Avery's car. If you want Avery's car, then get signed up. What's that website again? That's a great question. They didn't put it in the ad read. I'm going to assume it's ridgewallet.com. But hang on for me, Ridge.com. Just Ridge.com. But if you type in Ridgewallet.com, it also takes you to Ridge.com. It'll redirect. So go to Ridge.com. Use promo code macro and you'll get 10% off. And every dollar spent before September 30th, you're interred to win Avery's car or $75,000. I've got a question, Big T. I'm worried about the IRS reaching into my pocket and taking money out, you know, using it's a valid concern. Joe Biden just hired what, 87,000 new IRS agents? They're going to be walking.

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wanted one of these for a very long time so when i got one for free shout out ridge wallet uh that was pretty sick yep i hoard keys because you never know when you're going to need one of those keys that you picked up over the years but like what do they go to everywhere all right get the keychain then yeah i got the keys shout out dj college major key one. You remember that? D.J. Collad

start eating pussy buddy. Remember that? He just went on like a, he went on a media tour. Yeah. He was just getting like, I don't know,

he was going on the view being like, yeah, I don't fuck with the clam. There's, he always has something like it's like every couple of months, like now his thing is God did.

Like he says God did with everything and it's his new album name. But like, it's always been like, like major key and then he had like the the no pussy eating thing another one yeah another one another so what's god did mean i don't know i he has one it's a new it's a new song god did with uh it's not his album is his album yeah no it is the album it's called and we're viral because uh j z had like a crazy verse on it um and so like that was trending for a while

yeah it was really good and apparently j z just walked in the studio and did it it like he didn't have any like notes written down or anything isn't that what he does he never he never does yeah he never really he listens to the beat and he writes it like in his head and then he'll go in the studio and spit it's crazy the down part of that is he convinced a whole bunch of other people to do that and they're not as good at it and so like you had a whole bunch of people spitting whack-ass verses back in my day but uh he used to do it for a reason it's really interesting story he used to like practice it when he was growing up he didn't have any I think he was taking, like, some train from one place to another,

and he didn't have no paper and pen, so he would just recite stuff over and over in his head that he would remember. And so he just built up this high tolerance of remembering lines that he wanted to say. And so over the years, he just developed it into a craft. And so he'll go into the studio. He'll just listen to it, like, for, like, I don't know, however long. And then he'll go in there and spit his verse without writing anything down.

It's pretty incredible. Yeah, it's dope. DJ Collins, his album names are just hilarious. His last, so this is God did. The last one was just collid, collid. Then it was Father of Assad, which is his son. Then it's grateful, major key. I changed a lot.

Suffering from success. Kiss the ring. We the best forever. Victory. We global. And then we the best. Wait, so in order, we the best. Yep.

victory no we global oh okay we the best we global they went global then we the best forever forever okay and then kiss the ring kiss the ring he also did kiss the ring deluxe then suffering from success i mean that's incredible so his his album names are either about how great he's doing or conversely he's going through a hard time because he's so great yeah damn then it's i changed a lot yeah prayers up after suffering so From success, it was, I changed a lot. And then he went to Major Key. Yeah, what happened with I changed a lot, that seems the most emo of all of them.

Every other one is like, yeah, I'm great. I'm doing fine. Maybe he talks about eating pussy. Yeah. Maybe. He comes out. He was like on his kick where he was working out. He was like motivating everybody to work out.

He was like, you got to do it. It's a major key. You got to do it. Dude would like film himself on a treadmill. I don't think my guy has lost a pound. For years His Snapchat story is hilarious Like if you're not on it

You got to get on it He's just like screaming like more life Like he like walks outside And I guess he's in he's in Florida So he's on like the He's on the coast But like he'll just walk out of his house And scream like more life

Remember when he went He went jet skiing Then he get lost on a jet ski Yes He went like way too far out I think he like ran out of gas or something Yeah he almost died It was died on jet ski

That would be bad Huh All right Well What else is new Let's go around the room real quick We found out about Mad Dog's weekend Ari and I

Uploaded you on his slot abilities Billy what are you up to My weekend was a success Actually I'll tell you what What Billy's up to I walked into the office this morning And Billy looked up at me With this like

You know his eyelids were 90% closed And his hair was all messed up And he was just like I've been watching so many videos preparing for today's show that was like uh oh Billy's Billy's been up all night

watching 9-11 videos this is no I've this what's great I mean I mean it's terrible but there's a lot of information out there

debunking a lot of 9-11 conspiracies and a lot of it does like I what I did watch which was like I took a bunch of notes because I wasn't

I was two years old when 9-11 happened and being from new york it's had a huge like impact on my surroundings um knowing people uh you know the skyline of new york and i just i literally watched two hours of synced footage of newsreels and videos from uh what happened and it is it is the some the scariest things i've ever scene and um you've watched a lot of videos i watched a lot of videos and i i put myself through i mean no one should watch that much stuff it's thank you for your service billy well it's bad i mean i like almost started crying it's just painful to watch yeah um uh but yeah uh that's where you're where's to start i mean i don't know wait wait wait there's a lot of stuff around this before before we get

into that just tell me about how is your weekend how are things i i drove to a single location next to the water and i did not leave that location for three days didn't leave the premises he full sent with the boys i full sent okay and it's been sent was it a beach it's been sent and delivered was it an ocean it yeah it was next to the ocean and it was sent you went to the beach a beach house and hung out at a beach house for four days and drank there was 8 30 racks and 4 36 racks

consumed which is 240 plus 144 484 beers you said 36 racks right that's interesting because I didn't think that you could get 36 racks everywhere you know what the one place I do know that you can get 36 racks is here in the office

we have some 36 racks oh where did you get your 36 racks Billy. Have you ever, where's the best place for you to get your 36 racks? I did see a picture too. There was something swirling around the internet. Oh, really? Of Billy leaving the office with, uh,

I think it stumbled upon our Instagram. I don't, I don't get 36 racks of beer. Why? Well, because I buy my beer at stores. Oh. With my money. That's cool.

So you, it's just kind of fishy that all of a sudden, Aaron, and you'll appreciate this. Um, they delivered a bunch of 36 packs of Coors Light to the office for you, in our like advertising that we do around the office here yeah and then um billy happens to become the only person in the tri-state area with 36 packs of beer that he just somehow

ended up with at his beach house and was so we're allowed to use them for content and ads around them right is that correct i don't know who did you ask about that uh i i i talked to the ad team. No, you didn't. One time. I talked to M.B. once and said, I call M.B. Yeah.

Well, this was a long time ago. She probably won't remember. Were there clients being entertained? Clients were entertained. The clients were very entertained. There was a fire pit filled with entertained clients, just so entertained. You burned clients. After drinking them.

Did you post any ads with them this weekend? question avery uh yeah i checked your instagram i didn't see anything not on my instagram but maybe you check my twitter okay uh advanced search mountains are blue uh you'll see that there was a post regarding clients being entertained i'll also stick up for billy i'll give him one single flower he did a drunk driving ad with one no that is the no wait what no what no that's totally different what what did billy do that's the worst thing you could have said. He did a drunk driving ad with Cora's light. He said, I want to be

drinking some of these this weekend. Like promoting it? No, I don't think. Bro, we're anti. We're anti. Anti. Anti. Okay, I took four 36 bracts from the office, but like they just sit here and then they get stale. How many stale? How many like beers?

They get stale. I don't know where if they're not drank. First of all, I love the Italian accent, Billy slipped into when he's like, when he's admitting to stealing something from the. All right. All right. All right. So, I made, took a few 36 back from the office, right? It's not, that's not an Italian accent. Yeah, it's not a Thai.

What do you want for me? Billy goes Italian. Billy goes Italian when you get a tri-state accent. They're going to get stale. They're going to, what? But that was, second of all, that was Billy's excuse. They fell off the back of a truck. Billy was like, yeah, they actually get stale if they're around the office too long.

So I had to. Billy's treating him like they did you a favor. I did you a favor. Like their rescue dogs. I rescued those. I gave those. I gave those. gave those beers a forever home who who there's so much beer in adopt don't drink how much beer

was left over from last time we got a beer shipment what do you mean what does that mean we got we got we get pallets of beer and the how many beers around here do not end up in billy's tummy that's what he wants to know yeah i don't recall the last beer shipment we got because i do i don't get drunk in the office i don't get drunk in the office either i take it out of the office. Pilly's starting a campaign save our beers. Yeah. I might start giving them away outside the office.

Billy becomes, yeah, the Robin Hood of beers, but he just takes from the sober and gives to himself. No, but I absolutely sent to with the boys, had a great time. Yeah, I can tell. Played so much beer pong, still got it. I will 1v1 or anybody or put my squad against anybody. Your squad. I had, I had.

Yeah, Aaron would whoop your ass. No, I hit six last cups. Okay, this is like the final boss of like nobody cares about your fantasy team. Nobody cares about like the intricacies. I hate six. I hate six. Yeah, well, people do care. I know who's out there listening.

You respect that game. Billy hit six last cup. He's friends that he was with this weekend care. They're like, yeah, fuck you sick Billy. Yeah, the clutch team. It was texting the GC when we leave guys, listen to the show tomorrow. Yeah, they know. I have the clutched you.

Who is the MVP of beer pong? Me. Okay, besides you The ball Coors Light Thank you Coors Light Okay But so in more important topics

But you literally did For a second be like The beers get stale If they get left around the house Well yeah The beers from like Ten months ago That get dropped off

That might top entertaining clients To be honest with you Have you ever So we had the freshest beer Right off the line At the Coors Light facility What do you think happens when the beer is farther down the line.

Billy is rescue beer. You're not even doing it as a bit. You're going to turn it into a bit now. But the concept was the concept. I'm very good at creating bits. That was a creation of a bit. The beers get stale. Think of the tragedy of all the Coors Lights

whose mountains never become blue. Oh my God. That's the Ernest Hemingway saddest story ever written. Beer Mountains. never blew four words sad let's do a moment of silence for all the mountains that never got a chance to turn blue respect all right now we have to talk about like one of the saddest topics yeah okay so i was going to do a little segue into that so we didn't have to have billy just being like so nine 11 um

but you kind of took that over for me that's okay that's okay uh this is an episode that we've wanted to do for a while and uh trying to think of a good way do we've we've got large and annie coming on and you know large she's been on a show bunch and he's his wife and uh she's awesome she's lovely and uh arian has become good friends of large actually or via this show they would you say over the week and you're like that's i think arian said he was my dog a few times a doubt yeah large is interesting dude and they've got a crazy connection to 9-11, very personal story, pretty sad, but they've told me before that they enjoy talking about it, it's become therapeutic and it's good for them to get all their emotions out there

sometimes. So it could be sad at times, but hopefully we'll learn a lot. But this is a topic where I think a lot of people got introduced to conspiracies from 9-11 in the immediate aftermath. I think this was one of the most, like, it was a very visible event, obviously, because it all played out on live TV and then in the aftermath of it a ton of people saw like the loose change movie and they started exploring other things about it it's been a subject of hot debate and I think what has actually happened is like the loose change stuff has detracted from a lot of legitimate questions that people have about 9-11 I guess it's like the fucked up conspiracies have kind of made it harder to question the official story.

in the official narrative behind 9-11 because everyone's like, oh, you're a truth or like some people think that there were no planes. Yeah, that was a big one that the planes weren't planes but missiles that had holographs around them

projecting that they were planes, which is just ridiculous. So I watched two hours of footage from the first footage ever found which is actually a crazy story. there was a French filmmaker who is following FDNY firefighters that day. They were doing a day in the life of FDNY firefighters, and they had the only footage of the first plane hitting the first tower.

But what's crazy about that is I watched this whole compilation of lined up footage from the two hours from when that first plane hit to when the second tower collapsed. Yeah, and what in what was I don't want to say it was fascinating, but one of the most things that affected me while watching this two hours of footage was the narrative of what everyone thought. And this is between, um, uh, news channels and, uh, bystanders who just whipping out their, uh, camcorders. And that when the first plane hit, everyone was like, oh my God, this is a terrible accident. Like how, how, like, did this? is a quote but like how did he not see the tower like it was the pilot do we know if the pilot was all okay and then yeah that's that's one of the things that like everybody thought when that happened it's like uh this has got to be a bad but i think that's what george bush thought when he first got told of the first plane hitting the tower i think his reaction was like what a shitty pilot like that's that's that's kind of what everybody thought and it's such a different world

back then than it is now because you didn't have people with cell phone cameras there maybe some of like a few cell phones had video cameras on them but for the most part they were real shitty and you couldn't use them maybe a couple people had digital cameras some people like camcorders but yeah that's um the only footage is that that fringe documentary and besides that and then afterwards everybody started like pointing their news cameras right at the tower watching and then no one thought so then the craziest thing was the the change in the the motion in a lot of these videos when the second tower gets hit with a different plane was one of the most heart-wrenching things I ever saw because the the change of the fear that when people were like that guy

just did that on purpose and everyone around like making the connection that this was all on purpose like what is going on yeah in the fact that like in the moment they didn't know how many more planes were coming they know what was going on and that was terrifying like watching the videos like seeing just the people the attitude of the people uh the crowds movement and then we had uh i was in i was in third period i remember and the principal got on the loud speaker was like hey uh two planes have just hit the world trade center and then we turned on the tv that was in the room and then in that moment when you realize that like yeah there's a attack going on everybody was just like okay i guess we're going to be at war for the next 10 years

like the it just like flew over the room everyone kind of realized oh shit we're at we're in a war right now and we hadn't been in a war um in america really since you know vietnam kind of but in that moment it's like i guess you could say desert storm but that was mostly like we went in we went out job done that was the that was the first thought we thought that in third period yeah i was talking to a lot of people. I still remember. We're like, we're basically at war right now. Who did you guys think you were fighting? Didn't know. Didn't know, but just knew that this was like a massive attack. And so it's like, okay, we're going to, I think our country is just going to be at war now. What grade were you in? 10th? 10th grade. Also, did you have a different perspective

on it because you were so close to DC? Like, did you think you were next? Yeah. So when they announced that the planes had hit the Twin Towers and our principal didn't say anything about the Pentagon. But then once we found out that the Pentagon got hit too, then everybody started freaking out because a lot of people's parents worked at the Pentagon. Either they were in the military, they were a contractor that spent time at the Pentagon.

So then everybody just flipped out, was trying to get in touch with their families. They couldn't because we didn't have cell phones. We weren't allowed, well, we did have cell phones, but you weren't allowed to have cell phones in school. It was like a rule. Couldn't have it in your locker. Couldn't have any of your backpack.

They changed those rules right after that. But yeah, people started freaking out. Then people's parents came in and started taking their kids out of class, especially people who were in the military. They would come in and be like, okay, we're safe for now, but let's get you out of school and let's just kind of ride this out because nobody knew where it was going to go. After that second plane hit, everybody thought that they were target.

It was like, oh, well, they might be, you know, flying a plane at the Capitol, which it turns out they might have been. they were flying one at the White House there were bomb threats called in all over and it was just it was panicking chaos because he didn't know what was going to happen next Aaron do you remember

where you were when all this happened yeah I think I was I was in ninth grade I believe and I think I was we was in class and I think our teacher I think we had a some kind of news footage or something

we had a TV pull up and so he pulled up a TV see what was going on um and uh i was at that time i was in albuquerque new mexico and i didn't we didn't have those kind of discussions um like we were like all were at war we were just like everybody was confused and like what the fuck is going on nobody really was going on and then uh my mom came and got me so everybody's parents started pulling them out of class um but it's basically just like an excuse honestly because like nobody thought they was going to hit albuquerque

new me so like no we were like we don't think we're going to get hit but they was like we just don't know what's going on so but there is there is a um i think there's a nuclear uh a shelter and a shelter nuclear uh establishment i don't know what the fuck it's called um place where they yeah movie plant there you go in an alberg in the mountains there's like a uh a theory i don't know if there is or not and i know in los alamos there actually is um and so they they're like maybe they want to hit one of the nuke sites and so excuse me um they uh they started pulling all the kids out of class and uh yeah i remember it was just wild and my dad was kind of conspiracy back then he was like probably some probably the government yeah that yeah so all these

different things kind of like so i didn't really know what to think and i i wasn't really that invested in it because i didn't really know what's going on i was just i was you know young was 13, 14 years old. It was just, it was very confusing because, like, hindsight gives you the ability to look back on everything and you know exactly what happened and how it panned out and what was an overreaction, what wasn't. But at the time, like, people would not have been surprised if a nuclear weapon went off. Like, if that was, like, the next report that, oh, Seattle just got bombed.

Sorry, Seattle. That was a big ricochet shot if you're listening right now. But anything was in play at that point because it was great. watching it all unfold like that and um yeah so so billy what else have you been have you been learning watching the footage well i mean for my family we were living in the city at the time and i got pulled out of preschool or i think i was it was like some sort of daycare and my mom was walking me home and she had glasses on and she was crying um she's told this story to me i don't remember this and she was crying but she didn't want to see show me that I was crying and we were walking down an avenue and up the avenues where all these people walking with debris on them and I was like what's going on and my mom told me that it was an early Halloween parade and it was people dressed up and then we just hid in the basement of the apartment building

we were in and that was so that's like and then my dad was outside of the city and he my grandfather was NYPD and my dad was working outside of the city and was trying to get back into the city but they were shutting down everything so my dad went and grabbed my grandfather's badge because my grandfather lived outside the city in yonkers and grabbed his badge and used it basically like he was just trying to get to his kids um but he pretended to be a police officer to get through the roadblocks smart to get to me i just remembered i was a junior not a sophomore 2001 would have been my junior year and uh i i uh i distinctly remember like going into school i don't know if school was closed the next day it might have been closed the next day uh but the next day that we're going into school

was listening to the radio and it's weird how when something happens when like a big tragedy like that happens people just call into the morning shows all the time i'm and just explain what they saw happened. So there were like two or three very popular radio shows. Elliot in the morning was one that I used to listen to in D.C. And it was like, you know, your typical morning show. They were very funny. They just like fucked around a lot.

And but on days like that, they turn into like a very serious, like important public, like clearing house of information. So the next day was just filled of people calling in just like crying. talking about what they saw because a bunch of people on their commute saw the plane fly over i think it was 2.95 in in dc and hit the pentagon like a ton of people saw that and it was just people explaining what they saw what they were afraid about and it was there was a ton of fear afterwards because going back to that uncertainty you're like okay what's our reaction going to be who did this um i remember the first like on 9-11 some of the news stations were saying probably bin Laden. But then it was a thing of, okay, what are we going to do about it? When is this

going to happen? What's the impact going to be? How is my life going to be changed by this? And then you get a little bit older and you go back and you realize there were a ton of questions that probably should have been asked in those moments right after 9-11 that weren't asked. And we're still like trying to get to the bottom of them. I actually saw that we can get into this in a little bit, but there's a lawsuit against the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Yeah. That's been going on and they've been trying to get the 28 pages declassified from the 9-11 report. And that's, it's been held up several times by the United States government. Yeah. Which is, which is really strange. I've focused a lot of my research on debunking a lot of stuff on what

happened that day, not who did it, what did it, but just a lot of the events in the day. Like, For example, there was a myth that a Budweiser employee went into, was delivering Budweiser and went to a store and saw, like, you know, Muslim celebrating the towers going down. And then, like, this was something that went, like, in an email chain back then viral. And it was in, like, somewhere in North Carolina, but then he decided to pull all the Budweiser products from the shelves and didn't give them delivery because they were celebrating, which was debunked. All those stories that people saw. celebrating what was happening have been debunk like i think trump said that the email forwards that was the um man that those got hot back in the day yeah you knew that you're

about to open up some fire when it was like forward forward forward forward forward yeah obama kenya forward those were yeah email forwards that was like the first social media really i would actually say um like chain letters you guys you guys are probably too yeah for no no no no In middle school, forward this and your crush will ask you out tomorrow or forward this or you will get seven years of bad luck. Yeah. First fake news. All right. So Billy, let's get through some Billy debunking.

One of the first things that I heard growing up was a lot of fire department and police officers who were there at Ground Zero when the towers were going down heard a bunch of explosions. and there's even an example of a let me send you the link of a security officer at the towers who was front and center and he helped evacuate a lot of people out and he heard explosions coming from the tower but what I found found out is that reading about what happened a lot of those explosions on the ground floor that happened right before the tower collapsed were an elevator shaft were from elevators falling down elevator shafts because they're um the pulley system they operated on had snapped from the fire and they were crashing at the bottom and all simultaneously which makes sense like yeah what's more likely that there were a bunch of explosives at

the bottom of the tower or you know like what happened to the elevators in that instance and it would make sense they were all falling and crashing and causing like big loud bangs um i mean when it comes to the crazy uh jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams yes like that is correct jet fuel might not melt steel beams but it sure as hell will bend steel beams uh i mean like it's that's something like the structural integrity of steel definitely gets affected by heat i mean think about blacksmithing in the fires and a blacksmith isn't that hot comparatively and you know to destroy the structural integrity of the tower uh the i mean watching it i watched those videos seeing how the towers went down and i myself was like how the hell could that happen um that

I mean, I looked up like I'm my first reaction was that that does not look like like possible. Like how did that happen? But reading about the situations the basically huge furnace that occurred on the floor that those planes went into and people who talk about the fire plumes being impossible to be just a plane like there's lots of plane crashes that happen and those plumes don't occur like those fire plumes occur during car crashes too depending on how much gas. leans in the car and where it gets hit yeah all the flames were they're also being contained in an area the size of the building right not allowed to spread out over the course of like a field where a plane crash might occur right but yeah so the the the loose change movie that came out after 9-11 i think a lot of people probably seen that have you seen that billy no i actually haven't the dude that made loose change is also trying to move on from it he's trying to be like yeah

can we just can we act like i didn't do that movie please yeah he's like a little bit ashamed of it I think. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, there was some article that I was reading about the guy. But their big premise was, okay, yeah, jet fuel does not melt steel beams. And they've done so many experiments. And it buckles them. And when you have that much weight on top of the steel beams that presses down on it, it can collapse. Also, something that if you look at, if we can all agree, a lot of the older skyscrapers,

like the Empire State Building, were. built were much more expensive and built with higher quality materials because they in order to like for example the pyramids right last forever but if you like look at new construction like even 70s construction 80 construction the twin towers were built in the 70s it's a lot flimsier construction like it's not like if you look at the the plans for the empire state building it is much different than the construct of the World Trade Center because they built it a lot more efficient with less materials to maximize profits and like there's much less mass but way better engineering that goes into like these more

advanced new skyscrapers but they didn't take an account like a huge fire occurring with an accelerant that not only burnt up all the office supplies and wind office chairs and everything but had tons of jet fuel. Yeah. So I watched, when Loose Change came out, I watched it. And I thought it was interesting that it doesn't really give an explanation for what they think happened. It was just like, hey, this is kind of weird.

This is kind of weird. They found a bunch of inconsistencies. So they said, like, okay, we don't think that the buildings can collapse. They said, oh, I don't think that Flight 93 actually crashed. in that field. I think they said that there was a plane that took off. Flight 93 took off and then landed. I want to say in Cleveland or Cincinnati and then they took all the passengers off the plane

and killed them and then flew an empty plane into the field or some bullshit like that. It made no sense. Basically they were saying they were looking at flight log activities and coming up with inconsistencies and saying like, oh, this is what we think could have happened. But they never actually came and said their theory on what did happen that day. The one that crashed in Pennsylvania is where they found the passports from the hijackers, right?

I think they found some passports in New York. That one's a little sketchy. That one is one that doesn't make sense to me, but like, like they couldn't find the black box, but they found the passports. Did they not find? I think they did find the black box, didn't they? They couldn't recover it. Those two damage.

The passports of Zayad, Jara, and Saeed Al-Gamdi were found at the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 in Pennsylvania. Okay. There could have been an element of right after the crash, like, we got to pin this on somewhat quick to show decisive action from the intelligence community because of what a large, you know, fuck up in the, like. From the FBI? Yeah, from not sort of detainable. something like this from happening. I don't know about that. All I'm saying is like debunking the structural myths around it.

The collapse of the first tower. Oh, also there's some pretty interesting financial theories about it, especially talking about Silverstein, who insured like just months before 9-11, the World Trade Center's lease was sold to Larry Silverstein. Silverstein took an insurance plan that fortuitously covered terrorism. After 9-11, Silverstein took the insurance company to court, claiming you should be paid double because there's two attacks. He won and was awarded $4.5 billion. So that amount seems like a lot, but that the terrorist attack has in the new building has never made money. Like the financial impact of 9-11. is like that 4.5 billion did not cover any costs, the cleanup, between the cleanup, the new building being constructed, the profitability of the new building. I think the cap rate on the new building is like pretty small, which means that it's only 90% occupied. And a building

like that should have way higher occupancy, be doing serious leases and like getting tons of money. But then again, no one wants to like, it definitely was a financial impact. You're telling me it's not a financially sound business model to take out insurance on your building and then destroy your building. It's not like it was a gigantic arson, basically. Right. It's not like you burned down your bar to collect the insurance money. Yeah, like this was such a mess that none of the financial impacts could have been done. And then there was like the Silverstein one is a big like contributor to, oh man, they did this on purpose.

Yeah, let's just say, hypothetically, do you think that if you were to ask most people, I'll give you a billion dollars, but 3,000 strangers have to die? Do you think, do you think people would say yes to that proposition? Most people? Yeah. What if there was just a button? Yeah. I wouldn't personally say yes, but I think people would say yes. What if there's a button that you had, Big T?

The 3,000 people dead button. And when you pressed it, a nice clean billion dollar bill came out. I would not do that. I think there are a lot of people who would. Also, remember the person who the button was given to. Let's say that this person the button was given to was in very close proximity to these 3,000 people. Yeah, that knew these 3,000 people. Like, this isn't like 3,000 people across the world.

This is 3,000 people who live in your backyard. Yeah, I know. It was just like a, just a thought experiment to do. Yeah. I wonder. I just don't put it past anybody, honestly. Yeah. I'd say it's like 50, 50.

Not for me. I think just like, I think 50% of people would press that button. So think about, so this is the math to back this up. So he was awarded $4.5 billion in insurance claims, the new building, selling the building, everything. There was an estimated cost at $9 billion. So the court, like, it was a necessity to get that money to help with the rebuild, but no one was turning a profit for many of this. Right. Silverstein had applications to lenders and co-investors that there was a lot of people to get paid off.

He suffered greatly from this. And I think there was a couple bankruptcies done because of it. Yeah. In his lease payments, he still had lease payments to pay of $10 million per month to the Port Authority for a basic, like ground zero. Someone was paying for the rubble. Okay. And also if you go, if you dig like one level deeper to this, you're saying that the guy that owned the building took out a lease

knowing that the building was going to be destroyed. So somebody or took out insurance knowing that the building was going to be destroyed. So he would have had to have advanced knowledge of the planes hitting his building. And also maybe he would have put thermite in the building. Like all this goes. And then there's a bunch of people that he would have had to hire to put explosives in the building. Right. And then there's the big one.

Seems like the dude that is that owns the World Trade Center probably doesn't have this the connections to pull all that off. And know the science of the accelerants, the exact situation of the accelerants, the heat, the knowing that where the plane hit would cause, uh, it to go down. Like what if the, if there's a good, if the plane hit higher, like to that the, the whole controlling which floor the plane, the plane, hit because if the plane hit the first the top floor the fire would burn up yeah and then probably helicopters would come and contain it but it wouldn't have the collapsing effect of hitting i mean you okay you could argue they knew where to aim and the whole plan but the the amount of specifics that had to happen were well they i don't think al qaeda even knew that the towers were going to collapse no one knew yeah i mean and also the big one is the world train center would

was attempted to be bombed in 1993, I think. This is the one in the Biggie song that he talks about going to blow up like the World Trade and everyone's like, oh my God, Biggie knew about 9-11. Yeah. But Biggie was dead before 9-11. But it was like, no. There was a pretty massive attack on. Yeah.

Yeah. Before. So when this guy bought the building, he was probably like, hey, this thing got attacked before. Might as well get insured for getting attacked again. Yeah. I mean, that's why people got flood insurance after. Okay. All right. So the insurance, I think Billy's debunk that.

There was a new one at that. Real quick. The passport thing. I think that's the only thing to me where I'm like, it's just weird. Yeah, me too. I'm not, I don't, I don't ascribe any kind of intent to it. But. Yeah. What was it? Was it three out of the four of them have been discovered or something like that? Three out of four? uh hang on one second they discovered four two were in pennsylvania one uh somebody found at ground zero and handed to an NYPD officer and that's the one to me the other one and a fourth was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston uh on that one makes sense and maybe even the flight 93 where a whole bunch of debris was lost because the plane didn't explode like that but to find a passport on the ground by a passer buyer and then that passer buyer pick it up and have the wherewithal to give it to the police

that's the shit that's giving me like I honestly don't believe that I don't think that it's some like evil government cover up I but I do think maybe it's bullshit I think they I really do I really do I think they definitely used it to try to get a warrant

on whoever they fake the passport just like I'm thinking like that something like something like that or something like dirty they were just trying to cover themselves and say oh look we're doing detective work look what we found that type shit but to say that a passport randomly get the i'm not mine doesn't burn passports yeah are they saying like the plane hit the building and then a passport from somebody's luggage on the plane flew out of a window intact but and then laying on the ground and then a passerby and it's like oh look at this uh all

officer i've got a clue you know like that's it does sound like a fucking detective novel right i'm not buying it i could see that i'm not buying it also i'm not buying it there was a big claim that they're like there was 60 times the puts put on united and american airlines before uh the day before the towers hit yes there was a ton of puts put on being that they were trying to short the stocks there was a bunch but those puts were taken as a hedge on a large investment made into those companies so that's like in that's you know a large um how it's sort institutional trading they usually like insure their bets basically with like a hedge um so that like which so you know yes the puts worked and money was made but that money just covered losses from the

buying the stock on the other side so that debunked um uh yeah so i mean getting to the pentagon a lot of people were like how is there no you know how is there no footage of the plane of the plane hitting the pentagon that is there is it is weird though that because you you tend to look at things through the lens of the day that we live in now yeah and they're you know cameras everywhere. Back then, there weren't cameras everywhere. And there is some footage from a gas station that's like across the street. But it's, you know, gas station security cameras, they're not shooting 60 frames per second. So you can barely see the plane hit. But there is footage that exists. It's just not high quality footage. Also, it's kind of like if you're the

Pentagon and you have 24-7 security and lookout, like why do we need security cameras? Yeah. And it's heavily fenced in that one i i personally know people that saw the plane fly over 295 i also know people who lived in washington dc and saw the plane but 9-11 is like strictly from a pilot performance critique um they say that that dude could not have pulled off that move where it did um a big descending loop to go and aim directly at the pentagon it was like it's pretty crazy that he did pull that off as somebody that didn't have any piloting experience it's not easy to do it's possible it's definitely possible to do but the people that are saying like oh even trained the airline pilots couldn't do it they could um but for a first time pilot the dude it's it's unreal that

it is kind of crazy that he was able to pull that off but also look at us look at uh sky king as they call him the guy who hijacked the plane and was it portland yeah uh Seattle Seattle also did crazy maneuvers from just like, so, well, PST, do you think you could hop in a plane as a flight simulator guy? I could fly the plane. I could not take over land, much less like the guys that were training in Arizona. Huh. But no, I think that, yeah, anyone can fly a plane. Dude, it's just so you grab the sticks and then you aim.

I'm going to be honest, I think it's like the one place where I like eat the trash on the conspiracy theories is I could totally imagine the flight in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania getting shot down. Yeah, I could also. Because, look, three planes hit and you're the Air Force. Well, also, they were going to. That was the plan was to take the plane down because they had every indication it was going at the Capitol and are at the White House, one of the two. And so they had orders to take the plane out.

And they said that the passengers overpowered people, which both things could have happened. Right. Like, there's definitely, there's a lot of answering machine recordings and, call logs that show the people on the plane getting ready to start rebelling against the hijackers that could have happened and there also

could have been something else that took the plane out. I think that's, it's definitely a possibility because they weren't going to let that plane get back to D.C. That sounds like a terrible railroad conundrum. Oh, the trolley problem? Yeah, trolley problem. The railroad conundrum.

Yeah. It's synonyves. But like, do we because imagine if there's someone on the plane talking and being like, hey, we just took the pilots out where we got reconciled the plane. Like, can you trust that?

Can you, you know, to put those people's lives, the risk, like the math of it, like 2,000 more lives, are just these 30 people on the plane? Yeah. I mean, that sucks. I mean, it sucks to think about, but when you're making large-scale national security, stuff like they're definitely putting that into account.

Dick Cheney even actually said that. Yeah. that if they that they shoot down the plane if it was going towards capital yeah they had orders to take the plane out which crazy is and this is the official story and this is all kind of weird so I don't know how much of this to believe or not but um when they scrambled the jets to take him out uh the pilot there was a female pilot that was in charge of taking the plane out and she took off without any missiles on her plane yeah they didn't have time to like arm the missiles, which is weird because the entire premise behind having this quick strike or quick

intercept capability is to be able to intercept planes and shoot them down. That's what the military trains for. And they didn't have a plane that had any missiles ready to go on it. So they said they sent her up and her mission was to flip the wing. Bump it. Bump it. I think she said that she was only going to have one shot at it. So she was going to go into the cockpit. I think that's what she was saying because that would ensure taking the plane out if you severed the control systems in the cockpit whereas if you hit a wing and you were just a little bit off the plane could potentially still fly a little bit if it had most of that wing still intact but yeah she said that she she didn't have any missiles so her mission was going to be just

just crash into plausible deniability so I mean that's that's the one where I like this one has been a lot. The Vegas shooting scrambled my brain because there has been 20 years of studies on it and no one's really, there hasn't been a full commission and people who've dedicated years to figuring these things out. But the next big one is Tower 7. There was a third tower that went down that everyone's like, what happened to the SEC? That's where all the SEC records were and they got destroyed like that's where probably all the SEC corruption was destroyed but honestly even this whole thing was orchestrated

like you know like making sure the missing money from the Pentagon was gone you know getting rid of all the Wall Street corruption and building seven like they like they really the amount of things accomplished by this by like the super conspiratorial idea is way like like way too successful for something that complicated um building seven was a tower that the bbc reported to have been destroyed uh to have fallen uh crumpled to the ground while a reporter was standing in front of it and you can see in the background that had to do with a delay that we a delay in broadcasting um there was another fire so watching the videos and if anyone thinks the building seven

thing is true and it was definitely bombs to get rid of records go watch some of the videos of what it looked like on the street after the towers got hit yeah like like debris falling like people running with cameras and hiding under cars because big chunks of concrete were falling from the sky uh in burning material like it's actually surprising more buildings around ground zero didn't get destroyed. It's crazy that only one did and the towers fell as they did. And yes, I know it looks like a controlled demolition. Some people would say, but the tower, the first tower sort of, there was a large, uh, uh, park almost around the towers. Yeah. That kind of gave it some leeway. Let's just say hypothetically it was brought down using a controlled demolition. Building seven was.

Yeah. They probably want to do that. Pretty close to when the other buildings came down, right? They wouldn't want to wait and then be like, oh, whoops, we forgot to hit the button on this one. Yeah, fuck it. Let's just hit it even though it's been ours. Yeah. I don't think that they would want to disguise it a little bit more.

And probably wait until the area was evacuated. Yeah, so when did Building 7 go down? Building 7, let me pull up the timeline. Building 7, the fire had been the fire had been burning in there for a while. It started. The thing is, no one knew it was burning because all the buildings got evacuated.

Yeah. As soon as the first plane hit, I think like the fire department activated everybody's fire systems. So all those buildings got evacuated before. So no one knew that debris had gone into Building 7 and a fire had started so when it went down it had been burning for hours if in something i saw recently about uh the ukrainian war was that the real the biggest destruction uh is fire in a war zone because in a war zone there's no fire department so when a building when a building sort of like

a grenade or a small piece of uh incendiary object goes into a house. house and lights up a drape and like stuff catches on fire. There's no fire department to call. So the fires rip out of control. And in that moment, no one knew there was a fire in building 7. The fire department was

much more preoccupied with the bigger building that they knew people were still in. And it's honestly like it is the bravery of those firefighters to walk up the World Trade Center and try put out that fire on like the top like who like I don't even remember how many floors up on some

on the tower and like seven no elevators and just march up that thing in I mean if you it's like dude if you've ever even just been on a stairmaster and and tried to climb like 20 stories at once with you know no weight on your back or anything like that it's insanely difficult what they had to do to go up there and to still do it even though like it might have been like a lot of them knew it was probably a suicide mission but they saw people that need rescuing yeah in the i mean i i want to get into before we get large and any in here i want to get into one conspiracy that i actually believe in in this uh well it's it's become more and more talked about these days but the involvement of the saudi government yeah in 9-11 so um well for

First of all, the FBI just fucked everything up. Like, this is the biggest FBI fuck up maybe of all time because they had information well, well before. It was in the fucking presidential briefing saying Bin Laden's going to attack in the United States. He's trying to use domestic airlines. So there was all this information out there. The FBI knew about plans to use airlines as far back as 1995. They got tipped off to the flight school down in Arizona.

where some of the hijackers were on there and they they were like yeah we want to fly we want to learn how to fly we don't care about takeoff we don't care about landing and so the FBI got cold they did a bullshit investigation which went nowhere there was also this I hadn't done I hadn't really looked into this until very recently but I think it was back in 2000 excuse me November 1999 there were two employees of the government of Saudi Arabia, a guy named Kudain and a guy named Shalawi that worked for the Saudi government. One of them was employed at the Ministry of Islamic Affairs. And they got on an America West flight to Washington. And on this November 1999 flight they tried multiple times to gain access to the cockpit of the plane an attempt to test flight deck security in advance of the hijackings they pretty much did the thing where like a kid goes up to the cockpit and was like hey can my son see your cockpit he loves planes they did that several times over the course of the flight tried to break into the cockpit um another time they

asked where the bathroom was flight attendants were like it's still in the back of the plane and then they tried to get into the front of of the plane and tried on two more occasions to get into the cockpit and it created such a disturbance on this flight like they were obviously doing it for fucked up reasons that uh the pilot requested an emergency landing they had to land the plane early on the ground they got handcuffed they got taken into custody the FBI questioned them by the way these are two employees of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia the FBI questioned them and decided not to pursue prosecution on them and their airline tickets were paid for by the Saudi embassy on that day.

It was a dry run. It's been known as the dry run for 9-11 where they're testing out the defenses. And as we've seen like 15, what, 15 of 19 people were Saudi Arabian. And the Saudi government, like there are so many people inside Saudi Arabia that hate the United States for various reasons.

It goes back years and years and years, probably all the way to like FDR or right before FDR. Picoe. What's that? Sykes Pico. What's that? I think that's the treaty that chopped up in the Middle East. Okay, yeah. Probably it has something to do with that. It has a lot to do with the U.S. government offering security to Saudi Arabia in exchange for a taste of the oil and preferred prices on oil. And that goes back to like FDR's days and even a little bit before.

And there are a lot of people in Saudi Arabia that don't think that the United States should be in Saudi Arabia. Actually, they think that it's against their entire religion for the United States to be in Saudi Arabia and um they've they've hated us they will they will hate us for a long time they hated us for a long time before that and uh there are people inside the government that feel that same way and uh bin laden was he's saudi he's a saudi national um he's since been excommunicated before he died and there are still people that are involved in the royal family they're sympathetic to his causes. And so I think that what you've seen after the 9-11 attacks with the lawsuits against Saudi Arabia

that have been trying to be filed, what happened was the United States government was asked by Saudi Arabia to not change the law to allow foreign governments to be sued for terrorist attacks. The Saudi government said, please don't allow this law to be changed. If they do, we will respond with what amount. to economic sanctions where they'd raise the rates of oil then do you know they'd pull all the financial levers that they have in their disposal so they they were essentially blackmailing obama in the united states to not change this law because it would fuck them up and then of course there were the 27 28 pages that were redacted because they named people from saudi arabia

and people in the government that had their hands in and either providing tactical or more likely financial support to like the people that were that were involved in the attack their places were bought and paid for in certain circumstances by employees of the government of Saudi Arabia like there are the places that they rented so I don't think it was I don't think it's the policy of like the ruling family of Saudi Arabia who said okay we're going to attack the United States but I think that there are a lot of very powerful very very rich people in Saudi Arabia that hate the United States and definitely helped it get carried out. And then afterwards, they, you know, they use their financial power in the United States

to turn the investigation and put it somewhere else. So that's, that's the conspiracy that I actually do think and believe in 100%. I mean, the, I don't think the hijackers even knew the the buildings would go down. I don't think anyone knew the perfect storm that would happen that day. Right. Just nuts. Yep.

Yeah, there's no way to tail. Well, actually, maybe they did know because they created jet, like, they're big in petroleum. I don't think they knew. I don't think anybody know. And then it just pisses me off sometimes

when you think, like, I'm going back in time to 2003. and like the start of the Iraq war and how George Bush and Dick Cheney were like, yeah, Iraq, they helped plan this out. It's like, dude, if you had the links that they went to to try to justify the Iraq war by saying there was like one official from Iraq that may have met with somebody that was helping out the hijackers.

And that ended up being totally bogus too. But that's what they went with to try to justify. to justify Iraq, when you had 10 times the evidence of that of high level officials from Saudi Arabia actually doing these things and just didn't do shit about it, just kind of like let it fly. That pissed me off. And I think most people with a brain back then could have told you like, this is not the direction we should be going. That's what really makes me mad because like obviously I am a, you know, we've talked about this on the show. I tend to be more of a pacifist because I'm a Quaker. But if you get attacked in like 3,000 people,

die you have to defend yourself right i know that doesn't make me the best quaker in the world but that's like my natural reaction it's like yeah fuck them let's get them um but then to like just obviously fuck everything up and to point at somebody that you wanted to kill beforehand blame it on hussein and just completely uh take advantage of american people i think like they took advantage of the 3,000 people that died to start this war that he wanted to carry out anyway that's a that's it's it's the biggest foreign policy mistake i think of my lifetime easily yeah i don't think that there's a close second either uh big t because that i ended up being responsible for so many not just you know

american lives but you know iraqi lives that's like like almost a million a million something like that yeah uh pf t alex jones handshake on that one that video that billy sent over earlier. People forget that Alex Jones went on the view. Yeah, Google it if you haven't. It's hilarious because he's supposed to be on there talking about Charlie Sheen, but he just starts going off on a tangent.

It's just like, the women on the view are just like, whoa, whoa, what's going on? They had no idea who Alex Jones was or why he was there. Yeah, Wuppie Goldberg's like, whoa, whoa, what are we doing? Yeah, and then he was like, slow to him, slow down. Yeah. We were talking about Charlie Sheen's mental health and then all of a sudden Alex Jones was like, a million dead Iraqis, investigate it.

And I'm like, yes, Alex, yes. He's not a preach, dude. Charlie Sheen isn't, like, they're treating him like an evil man with an evil soul, but he didn't kill 100,000 Iraqis. We don't really talk about a million, like a million people died in Iraq. A million people died. I think that's what's so significant about this, right? Because that was the first time on American soil, let's have a Pearl Harbor.

But that was kind of like outside out of mind because it was on a mainland, right? So I think Pearl Harbor was the closest thing, like, where, we saw an attack on U.S. soil, and we felt, so to this day, we're like, never forget, right, 9-11. Well, so why are you in a state then? What's that? I don't even think Hawaii was a state at that time. No, no. It happened to Hawaii, did not?

Yeah, but they weren't, they weren't a state. Right. Oh, well, yeah. It was a, it was a U.S. base. Right, right. But I'm just saying, like, even, I don't know. That's a crazy guy. Yes, yes, you're correct.

I'm just saying even back then, like, that wasn't even really. You're right. At 1959 is when Hawaii became a state. I didn't realize that. But yeah, the point stands, though. Yeah, the point is, like, so that was the first time, like, we saw and really felt the implications of foreign intervention in our day-to-day life. Because it's always out of the side out of the mind. You hear about drone strikes.

You hear about stuff. But, like, this shit happens overseas all the time. Like, all the time. Like, I was reading this one thing. And these kids, they were interviewing these kids. and they were talking about how they pray for overcast because then the drones, they can't fly drones in cloudy weather.

And I'm like, just the thought of that, hearing kids say that that is crazy. And so like I'm not trying to minimize what had happened on 9-11, but I think if Americans had a broader sense of like a global community and understanding like this shit happens in other places, like a lot, we would have more empathy and we would lean more towards diplomacy because that is that is an instant

that we don't think about foreign policy in our day to day lives America is the center of the universe in our eyes yeah but that is a big part of because we're so isolated too like we only have two countries bordering us right and we don't really fuck with Mexico like that and Canada's fun to visit

but like over there all those countries are like states here right where we interact with our own states they interact with entirely different countries in entirely different cultures. And conflict, you know, with policy and forward policy is a part of their day-to-day lives. And I think people just realize that more,

they'd be more empathetic, but alas, here we are. Yeah, it is, it's a different perspective to have entirely because we're fortunate to grow up in a place where we're not, we don't fear for our lives, even though, you know, you have homeless people that are shoving big tea on the street, willy-nilly left and right. Yep.

But you don't have, you don't have an imminent threat of foreign terrorism hitting you. You know, you sometimes, obviously, you know, mass shooters, things like that. But that's unfortunately byproducts of the civilization that we're in over here in the United States. But yeah, it was like, I hear a lot of people say like a loss of innocence on 9-11. I think that to a certain extent that's true where we grow up in a bubble and we think that we're not going to get attacked by anything. And then all of a sudden that reality is shattered and you realize that the government can't protect you from everything. and it changes your whole perspective on things.

I think another good point of that is when a lot of, it's like a rally and cry a lot of the times with people like, there was one point in a time where this country was united and that was around 9-11, and that's just not the case. Like I remember vividly, we had some really close friends who were, I think it was Pakistani. And just anybody who was Arab at that time

was fucked with at a very, very high rate. And their lives were miserable here because they were viewed as villainous. And that's the case in any kind of conflict globally they were having with anybody. It's like when, you know, the Japanese internment camps, all of that stuff. It's always stereotyped and typecast into all these tropes that bring up all of these different feelings as Americans and what it even means to be an American. And so it's like, I just hated that talking point because for a lot of Americans, it wasn't some rallying cry.

The people who got out with the worst were the Sikhs, because who aren't even Muslim. I remember in New York City, the Sikhs, if you don't know, they all wear turbans. It's part of their, you know, culture. And for a lot of people, most Muslims don't wear turbans who live in America. So the Sikhs were the victims of a lot of hate crimes, especially in New York, because there's a large Sikh population in New York. And, you know, admittedly, you know, when you're very, very young and all you're seeing is like Osama Bin Laden on TV, and he's the big, the most evil man that you've ever

comprehended is like a four year like a four year old or a five year old you're like oh my god like is is one of these like is it's like the what i'm trying to like it's easy to make that discretion because of that yeah um it is that's why it's important to talk to people and find out different experiences because a lot of people would agree with like what arian was saying earlier that the country was united after 9-11 and i think some people felt united some people felt like, oh, I'm going to be nice to people because our country's under attack and things like that. But other people have very vastly

different perspectives. And just because it's not like the majority opinion or what the majority sees, you hear some pretty fucked up things about people just getting beaten up, like just normal people going about their lives, getting fucked with and like attacked in certain circumstances.

But, I mean, see, it carried it carried so long that it was a big talking point for like conservatives to Obama right they were like saying he was a Muslim and like Muslim uh any like any kind of Muslim connotation is also viewed as terrorist yeah and like that's that's a very dangerous distinction do you remember when um everyone talks about that that John McCain town hall when he he stood up to the lady that was like calling Obama a Muslim

and be like look look what our country used to be united people don't realize that the lady was just like I've heard he's a Muslim and McCain's reaction was no he's he's a good honest man so he even he took like the accusation of being a Muslim as being like wait no he's not a terrorist you know yeah uh and I think to a certain extent because it's a Muslim country in Iraq that we that we did invade after this using 9-11 as one of the main pretexts um we don't we don't think of a million people being dead over there and it's not like a huge tragedy to a lot of folks but like it's a fucking million dead people innocent people for the most part that would not have died if it wasn't for George Bush and actually like I did a lot of reading um right after 9-11 of what was

happening behind the scenes in the Bush White House and it was like okay so now I decided with Alex Jones earlier me and Trump holding hands on this one uh fuck the Cheney's fuck the Cheney family till they die Dick Cheney the day I think the day of 9-11

essentially said find the connection to Iraq behind this because we're also I've been wanting to take out Iraq so he's strongly

even in this moment was like telling the intelligence community figure out how Iraq I know that Iraq was involved in this find out what the connection is so that I can go after them

like just I'm not I'm not standing Saddam Hussein bad guy this is an anti-Saddam Hussein podcast probably shouldn't have killed a million people if we're doing a railroad conundrum on Saddam Hussein

probably shouldn't have killed a million people to take that motherfucker out Railroad Conundrum That's got to be a new segment on the show Railroad conundrum Did Saudi Arabia So a lot of conspiracy

I actually don't know this I probably need to read up on it it Saudi Arabia did not like Iraq correct uh because of differing was are they ideology is it this they're they're like diametrically opposed yes so do you think they would they would never have helped each other it was not do you think they tried to frame Iraq I'm sure they didn't I'm sure they got the fuck out of the way once George Bush started being like I think this is Iraq I think a lot of Saudi officials were like, yeah, yeah, I think you're right, George. Yeah.

They do some dry snitching on them. Yeah. There's definitely connections behind Saudi Arabia. And what's complicated about Saudi Arabia is they kind of do have us by the balls, right, when it comes to energy policy. We can't complete our government can't completely like, we can't start a war with Saudi Arabia. That's the difference. Like we can, if Iraq pisses us off. We can figure out a way to have a war with them and be there for the next 20 years fighting it and go about our lives for the most part.

When Saudi Arabia pisses us off, we can't invade them. That would be an international incident. It would spark World War III right off the bat. And then also we can't afford to lose our supply of energy that they give us. So they have us by the balls, which is why all this information came out after the fact about 9-11 and before the fact about 9-11. and we our reaction was so disproportionate in what we chose to do attacking other countries instead of like it's like if you uh if you get fucked with if somebody comes up to you and uh it's like a group of four guys and the big guy punches you in your face you know like that guy's gonna kick my ass um but i think i could take his friend and then you make up a reason to like start to fight with his friend and said oh it's always what do you look what's so funny yeah yeah that's that's actually a perfect analogy what you think that was funny or beat the shit out of you

yeah I'm actually curious to hear largest take on some of the things that because I mean I don't think anybody will ever really know all of the details right I think we have our best guesses and inferences

but I'm interested to hear largest take on some of the things that are like come on I'm not buying that official story as to why that that took place because I've I've done a little bit of research on it

I'm not invested enough in it to stake a claim but I just don't think that it was the U.S. government by and large but I do think they do things to cover their tracks on their own fuckups all the time and so a lot of this stuff doesn't make sense to me

but it's just not that I'm curious to see largest stake on it because he's one well read on the subject too was firsthand and like he was well that shit he was probably what 20s 30s when this happened 20s see 20 years ago yeah he was he would have been 30 yeah I think he was early 30s like 28 28 yeah and that's that's an entirely different perspective too as to being I was a high school kid right and so we're debating each other about what's going on not knowing shit about shit but like you know at 20s and 30s you're little bit well more more well versed than you are and so like his experience i'd like to also talk to see what he's talking about talking about some crazy things coming out of it the amount

of people who faked being in the towers after the attack is ridiculous like a comedian fake oh yeah 9-11 Kevin right uh the guy from the league what's his name steve ranaz oh 9-11 steve yeah raganazi or something he was kevin he's in the league yeah he was Kevin from the league. I just watched the movie. He shows a job? No. I think that came out after the league.

Yeah. I just watched the movie that was not okay where it was kind of based off of people who pretended to be in the towers. Yeah. It was like the Paris attacks. So the guy from the league, he was in New York when 9-11 happened. And people would always ask him like in showbiz, oh, you're from New York, what was 9-11 like? And his story gradually changed. to just being in the city to like being in the building and escaping after the plane hit

and then he he uh i think pete davidson reached out to him because pete davidson's dad was a firefighter who passed away who was going up into the towers and pete reached out to what was his name steve yeah reached out to steve and was like hey like that's crazy that that you have that connection there he tried to bond with him over it and then steve like wrote back like something very short and didn't really get into it and so after the whole report came out or after he admitted to faking it Pete Davidson I think he was on like the Howard Stern show

I have the tweet up you have the tweet yeah says it's okay at Steve Rannazi people make mistakes can't wait to meet my dad for lunch later yeah his dad died in the tower yeah but I think he was on like the Howard Stern show and he just he read all the DMs that he had with Steve beforehand

he was like yeah you know at the time I thought it was weird that he wasn't like more responsive to me trying to bond with him over this shared traumatic experience but he like you could tell that he felt bad in the situation and didn't want to continue his lie to Pete Davidson's face about where he was in 9-11

it was just it's weird like people that that develop victim complexes because they don't have anything to actually be a victim about another one was your boy your boy Trump did you see

did you ever see where he's said he was literally getting an interview and he was like we had the tallest building until the world trade center went up and this is like literally like behind the shit and he's like and it was the tallest building was the world trade center went up and well it's the tallest building now it's like what the fuck is wrong with you that it was it was the day of i think they were asking you about about what happened he was like well yeah i guess you know it's uh it's sad to say but it is the tallest building now in laura madhattan uh he's He tried to squeeze in a brag on 9-11.

He also claimed that he helped clear up, like, debris and rubble and stuff. And not as far as I have seen when I looked into a while back. I hadn't seen any evidence of that. But that's a wild claim, too. Steve Buscemi is on the other end of the spectrum. Yeah. Former FDNY, who then came out of retirement to help out. There's some, I mean, even some of our security guards.

who were former NYPD talked about how they were down there helping clean up. Yeah, Steve Ushmi, he was working there for like months. Yeah. And he didn't want to do any press about it or anything. Eventually after enough people like asked him like, hey, can we just write about you?

He said, okay, but he was just down there like doing a job for a while, which is crazy. Like you learn a lot about people, I think, in situations like that. Big T, what you got? Any questions, comment? Terry? Really the only

you know we mentioned conspiracies and stuff like that the passports are the only thing that don't square with me finding one a mile away from ground zero

and like just handing it to a detective like the ones that they find in plain wreckage completely unharmed I think that sometimes you find stuff

in plane crashes though sure I would imagine lost passport I would imagine that a passport would be destroyed in a plane crash. I guess I would... One of the two.

I would just say, like, I don't know what you do find in plane crashes. It'd be interesting to find from somebody like, okay, if you're, if there's an international plane crash and there's 100 people on board, how many passports are we actually finding it? If it's like one or two, then yeah, that's really weird. You know what? Also, this is another thing about it. They always tell you the safest plane in a safest part. of a plane in the plane crashes the back right and so if the hijackers theoretically are in the

front of the plane i assume his passport was with him or on him and so they say it's the safest on the back because that takes the most impact that has the most friction so you would think the stuff in the front including the people and the paper would disintegrate the fastest yeah i i don't know about like the back being the safe in an impact like that. I think that the difference between the front and the back are... I'm just saying in plane crashes. I'm not sure about

in that scenario. In that scenario everybody died. But it's dog, the odds of that shit happening are just three times. Of a passport lying out of a plane on a

building. I'm I don't, I'm not buying that shit. Okay. So I would need to see more evidence as to how that shit happened. I'm actually, so I'm watching an ISIS video right now. Okay. God. All right. Of these French. What? Billy's getting black flagged. No, no, but this is. So I looked up do our passports fireproof? And then I found this video of ISIS, French ISIS fighters trying to burn their French passports and failing. And it looks. It looks like it's kind of hard to burn a passport, low-key. So, just that's... I've not looked into there. Yeah, because it was the only video of anyone I could find burning passport.

But is it them just like trying to light it with a match, like with a match? I mean, it's them in a fire, throwing it in a fire. I think there's a different level of intensity from a fire pit or versus a plane crash. Yeah, especially, I know. I'm just, it's... But I was just checking out, I had to look up the fireproof ability of a past. Okay, okay, okay, let's say, let's say the passport survives the fire. It survives the plane crash.

It survives the fire. It survives the crumbling of the building. And it flies out of the building and lands on a floor just so happens that a guy is walking by picks it up and says, hmm, maybe the police need this. Come on, though. Come on. I mean, I love to see it because I'm, come on. No, I agree. I agree 100%. That's wild, though. That is wild.

There's some, by the way, there's a ton of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that I've been pushed by Muslim leaders. I'm a dimajad. I'm a dinner. I'm a dinner to dad. I'm a dinner jacket. I don't know how to that was the Saturday night live. I'm a dinner jacket. I know that he's very active on Twitter. um he was pushing this theory that a bunch of uh uh jewish people were called at work and told not to come in oh yeah because but and then there was there was like this number that four thousand were missing four thousand jews were missing from work but that's actually from four thousand uh jews were unaccounted for in lower manhattan and that was picked up by uh the israeli times and That was published, but then in translation to Muslim channels. So they were saying like 4,000 Jewish people might have been killed.

Yeah. Because they were writing about Jewish people in New York City. And then that got translated as to being like 4,000 Jewish people just like mysteriously left before 9-11. And a lot of those theories have been pushed by like nations that aren't friendly to Israel. But then they get picked up over here. And just they find their ways. to like anti-Semitic circles yeah it is it's crazy like when it when the attacks happened don't know if you guys felt the same way but my first thought was like 3,000 people that

seemed like it would have been a low number because those buildings everybody thought were full you know the biggest office building in the world I think the Pentagon right yeah and so before you got a scope of everything that happened we saw okay the buildings collapse probably a lot of people died that were not even in the buildings but around them during the collapse, I think most people were thinking like, I don't know, 15 to 30,000 people might have died that day. And a lot of people have died afterwards because of the inhalation and the health problems. But 3,000 people in that, if you were to tell me that as it was happening, I would think that that would be a very low estimate. So, yeah, there's a ton of

anti-Semitic things that go into play where they're saying some people say the Israeli government did have a hand in the attacks. Some people say the Israeli government and Mossad, their spy agency, had advanced warning of the attacks. I don't think that that's extremely difficult to believe because our government had advanced knowledge of the attacks. And the Israeli spy agencies, they do what we do, except a lot of people would say better. They're better at anti-terrorism spying than we are.

and so they probably had some of the same chatter that we had behind the scenes and they probably fucked it up too i don't think that this gets into like a big like uh anti-semitic conspiracy but i think that if we had some knowledge behind the scenes and we fucked up the investigation i'm pretty sure that masad had some idea and some uh some like vague either sources or they had um some you know a couple investigations that they did here or there and they're also by the way, if we have anything that we're investigating for terrorism and it involves Saudi Arabia or it involves the country of the Middle East, we're sharing that intelligence with them as well. So I think that goes hand in hand. They've been fighting terrorism for

their conception. Yeah. We use, we use their techniques now in like in airports. That's a controversial statement. Well, what they consider terrorism. Sure. And let's let's specify like bin laden he was a freedom fighter before he was a terrorist yeah like we we funded bin laden that's a sticky situation no it's a fact uh no i'm talking about israel as a it is no it's i mean it's it's very very complicated the u.s's relationship with israel israel with Israel is extremely complicated. It always has been. Ooh, that should be an episode.

Israel? Israel, Palestine conflict. Yeah. I mean, it's very, very complicated. And there's no side that is 100% in the right on it. And there's no side that's 100% in the wrong on it. I'll put it that way. And so a lot of times it comes down to the people that you know the closest

and the people that you've interacted with that influence which side you believe in that situation. But it's a, and that it comes into play a lot with, uh, not just Israel Palestine, but just Israel and our entire policy in the Middle East in general. And honestly, some of our some of our treatment of Israel in the Middle East inspired a lot of this hatred towards America. For sure. Like Sykes, it all dates back to Sykes Pico, which was the post-World War I division of colonial lines with the Ottoman Empire, the collapse of it, Italy, England is a messy situation that should have, like... Well, Europe did all that shit, not just in the Middle East, but also Africa.

They just basically took out a map and they drew straight lines horizontally, straight lines vertically. And they said, okay, well, forget about the fact that there's two tribes that have hated each other for the last 500 years that are now coexisting in the same country. This is now our territory and we get their diamonds and shit. And that's kind of the same thing that they did with the Middle East. then you have to have sides taking sides so in the cold war we were supporting Israel USSR was supporting Syria they're supporting a bunch of other countries over there that we were not supporting and it became part of the Cold War where everything that we could do to advance Israel was all was not just a win because we were trying to set Israel up as a state after

World War II but it was also a win because it was taking power away from the USSR and their back territories that were over there. So it became just like a big, it became a giant cluster fuck. The whole world's a cluster fuck. The whole world's a cluster fuck. But yeah, bin Laden, he was our friend. Bin Laden was a great guy for us for a while.

I'm scared of what happened in Afghanistan with us backing rebels, like freedom fighters, is going to happen in Ukraine. Yeah, I mean, it could. If you give out money to violent groups, yeah. There's, I mean, Ukraine. fighting for its independence but you got to be so is afghanistan yeah but there's there's a couple

bad ombres yeah we gave some arms and money too yeah there's definitely some bad ombris there's some like literal nazis that we gave money to yeah and it's the enemy of my enemy is my friend but yeah watch charlie wilson's war have you guys seen that movie yeah mad dog that's your assignment watch charley wilson's war it's that's the name of it yeah you'd like it tom hanks oh yeah Philip Seymour Hoffman. Oh, love him. Does a great job. May he rest of peace.

RIP and then a bunch of other people. But yeah, it's about how one or two people in Congress found themselves in a situation where they could fund the rebels, the Mujahideen in Afghanistan as the USSR was trying to take over Afghanistan. And so they found themselves in a position where they could buy like Stinger missiles and like all these weapons and fund Afghanistan. in the hopes that they would beat the USSR, which would lead to the USSR's collapse, which would be good for the United States.

And then after they beat the USSR, then it's like, okay, now we have to fund this country that we just helped liberate. And Congress is like, nah, fuck it. They did their job. USSR is out. And then that, essentially, that core group of Mujahideen became al-Qaeda. And then they... The Taliban.

The Taliban. Is that real? Well, no, the Taliban protected al-Qaeda. But yeah, they're kind of, they're like one of the same. But yeah, that's a real story? Yeah, so like the CIA. Like created the help create al-Qaeda? Al-Qaeda.

Yeah. In a very roundabout way. Not in a way as in, I don't think the CIA went overseas and said, Let's start this. You should hate the United States and you should do a terrorist attack. You should do 9-11. But it was kind of like trickle down. It was like, okay, 1980s beat USSR.

We're going to. give you all these cool weapons because we're on your side and then okay you guys just beat ussr all right we're going to go home please like have a good life and then that eventually they find new enemies and then boom we're in their crosshairs holy shit yeah that's a moot okay the world's a fucked up place who's charlie wilson charlie wilson was a congressperson from texas who who helped to fund the muja hidein against the usr is that person's still alive? I think he's dead.

I think he just recently died. God. Okay. I'm pretty sure. Go watch it. Yeah, it's a good movie. Also. That's why I say we just fucked this whole thing up.

This whole human thing up on earth. We fucked it up. Also, I mean, there's everything that you try to do, you're going to fuck something else up. Also, last sort of far out conspiracy, there was a group, urban moving system. was a group of Israeli movers who left to work on 9-11 to go watch it and they were

basically someone called the cops on them because it was a bunch of quote unquote like, you know, Middle Eastern looking people all sitting and filming the towers and it was then basically this is like used to sort of like frame Israel for it but they may have been a

Israeli intelligence group who are actively working on infiltrating any sort of terrorist organizations around New York City who are helping funding Palestinians. And it was a very complicated situation where some of like all Israeli citizens, they found out that some of these individuals had served in the Israeli military and also been on intelligence forces. So they not sure if they were just, they were, they found out they were in the country illegally, but they didn't know if they were operatives or just a bunch of guys working for a movie company overstaying their visa. So that's a complicated one that is kind of hijacked to say like, oh, Israel was behind

the attacks, but every single Israeli has to serve in the military. So it's kind of like, you know, synonymous. Can I ask a dumb question that I probably should know? The Israel-Palestine conflict, when did that start? Well, actually I have two questions. When did that start? When Israel became a state? Well, which was when?

The Israelites. 45 or 46, right? Yeah. Yeah, so the U.S. But at this rate? A basic summation of it is people from Israel believe that they have a stake in that territory. Right. I believe biblically, they say they have that stake in it.

And the U.S. helped give them their land in 1945, I believe. They were exiled from, where were they from? Were they from Germany? Everywhere. Yeah, it was kind of from Europe. Yeah, like Jewish people were kind of like being persecuted. And so they carved up a land for them in what was modern-day Pakistan. And the stake, the claim is that they had claimed there from before the Ottoman Empire.

You mean modern day Palestine, right? Palestine, they say Pakistan? Yeah, Palestine. There were several places they wanted to put them. Like they were considering the Congo, Argentina, that they were going to give a Jewish free state. And but the best spot. And so they chose that. And it's, I mean, it's obvious what happens.

Right. happens there is you put a people in a middle of a land where they say hey they're here now and we have they had claim to this land and they're like no you didn't war is going to ensue and then you continually fund that state where the people around it are not funded and in poverty you're going to have conflict and that's that's the very basics of it but i mean there's it's very nuanced very detailed like we fund israel to this day Israel tries to protect its people extremely aggressively because they're always under attack. Yeah. Historically, Jewish people have been used as scapegoats. They've been attacked. They've been

exterminated. They've been, you know, the Holocaust, obviously, but there's a lot of other times that they've been attacked. So they are very protective and they're always waiting for the next group to come attack them because it's happened so frequently to them. And so you take that group that you're trying to protect you put them in the middle of a group of states that have religious and cultural hatred towards them especially because you're taking land away from other countries giving it to the state who claims that they have the right to it and then all of a sudden you've got just like a powder keg and it's just it's not it's not ever going to be peaceful right and then my follow-up question that when we invaded you know iraqi vaganistan when that when the iraqi war started

did that pour over into this conflict or are those two separate i know they're two separate things but like did that did a have anything to do or did anything happen with that did is wait that was the scapegoat to go into iraq are you talking about palestine or are you hold on you talking about nine eleven kind kind of like did the iraqi war And then the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, did those two have any intersection? We give a lot of, we sell a lot of stuff to the Israelis. Okay. So we fund.

That's just a, I just don't know. We give them a lot of weapons and shit. And there's some speculation that we've even given them a nuclear bomb, which has been in the news recently. But we give them a lot of stuff. And they use that to protect themselves against Iraq. So Iraq does not like Israel Like especially Saddam Hussein's Iraq did not like

Really the bordering Right because aren't they close Yeah no I mean no one they don't have any allies The Israeli I mean the Israeli army No Israel Israel Israel The Israeli army fought off in like the seven days war Egypt like how many different armies Like a bunch of dudes try to pull up on Israel

And Israel just like nah bro like we got this in just like one v3. That's a great description of the... Honestly, yeah. Like smoked them in seven days. Every country around Israel says it should not exist and does not acknowledge that it exists. So what do they think is or what do they consider Israel?

Terrorist State. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. It's like if somebody in their eyes, it's like if somebody like, say Russia came into Arkansas. I was like, yo, this is this is. this is this is this is Russian territory now and we're like no it's not but and we want to acknowledge it

and then just set up and just set up shop there but we didn't have the weapons and stuff to defend that land and they were the superior power whatever they say goes in that I mean that's basically what foreign policy is like who carries the bigger stick and so those people over there feel like they got their land taken I mean also there's tons of hundreds of thousands the people were misplaced, right? So, like, people were put out, like, literally out of their homes that had to migrate into other parts of Palestine and how they, like, cut the pie. It was really weird, too.

They put them in pretty bad housing for the most part, too. Bad housing and separated them. It was just really complicated in a very nuanced situation. Because they are so protective of themselves, Israel is because of giving their history and their people's history. and they have no one else they're also like expanding into different parts that they believe also belongs to them so there there are different settlements that they're building um that are taking land away from Palestinians because they say that this is our land as well and then now you've got

like an internal conflict where Palestinians respond by uh rocket attacks and just firing uh weapons indiscriminately into Israel and then you've got Israel whenever they're attacked they come back harder at the Palestinians so now you've just got escalating battles against each other it's just one on top of the other it's a big day it's like also the reason it's never it's never going to be right also the reason why a lot of countries several states over from israel like several countries over like why the hell like even afghanistan hates israel is because that uh those lands played a huge um role not only in the bible but also in the koran Like, there's biblical, there's places that, like, Muhammad went in Israel and, like, they also find holy.

Yeah. And, but then, you know. Well, and then, like, Tel Aviv is, like, still super. Oh, right. No, of course. Like, there's tons of religious sites in Israel. And that was one of the reasons why a lot of the Christian leaders after World War II were like, well, you know what? Let's make sure that this, these holy sites kind of.

Like, okay, Jewish people, we'll give you your place here, but just make sure that these sites don't totally become Muslim. And that was sort of like the deal. Mm-hmm. Okay. We just mansplained. No, honestly. No, honestly. That's like a good little synopsis.

That was a good. Yeah. I mean, I just don't. I mean, I know obviously about the conflict on a very basic level, but it's a lot. I mean, I think about how much kind of different foreign interactions there are. It's our relations with China, our relations with Mexico. our relations with the Middle East. It's hard to know any of this in very good detail.

And so that's a good broad understanding of it. Yeah. Now, this is where it gets really crazy because I never thought about this. Where does Israel get its oil? Russia. Does Israel and Russia have a good relationship? Yeah. So I was thinking, wait, does Israel, like, because you would think that because they're right there,

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this monkey. So does it stand trial? I got to find this is the funniest thing because. Peter went to like North Korea and said, listen, we don't approve of this monkey smoking every day. And like some North Korean officials, like our leader killed his uncle with a flamethrower. Like, you know what I mean? You don't give a single fuck. I need to find this.

Yeah. Kim Jong-un is like firing artillery shells at individual people to explode them. Yeah, blue guy up with a mortar. Yeah. Draw straws to us to break, like to his daily briefing, right? If you recognize that, that sound that is, yes, you're correct. It is large recurring guest on macrodosing. And his lovely wife, Annie.

St. Annie? St. Anne. St. Anne? Do you prefer Anne or Annie? I think I go back and forth. You know what? I've had this nickname for probably the better part of 25 years. So, but most people call me Annie.

So it's St. Anne, but... St. Anne, but Annie. Everybody calls me Annie. Okay. Well, thank you guys for... What a difficult bitch, huh? For joining us. I didn't...

You know, I'm going to take the saint. I'm removing the saint because of that long explanation. We'll go by Brande today today. But Large has been on the show a few times, and Arian and him have become fast friends. So Aaron was excited to hear that you're coming back. And we've been discussing, we've talked about 9-11 today. And, you know, the build up to it, what happened, the aftermath, how we reacted, all this sort of thing. But we figured it would be good to talk with you guys because you have a very close connection to the day. You live through it in many, many ways.

So we want to have you on the show and, you know, just kind of give you the platform to speak your mind on it. I know that, um, you know, like some people are uncomfortable talking about it. You guys seem like you've been very, very comfortable in the past. Do you enjoy talking about it? I think for me, it's something I've done from day one because I went straight back to work. And when you, you know, if when you work on the trading floor, there is, there's no privacy. There's no separation from anybody else. You know, it would, you're in a booth with 35 people and only one of you and works for the same company, the person standing next to you. Otherwise, everybody works for different outfits.

So you really have no choice but to be as exposed as anything. You know what I mean? Like there's no privacy. So I went back to work right away. There was just no way to really hide anything. So if I was having a bad day, everybody in my booth saw it. If I was having a good day, everybody in my booth saw it. I never spoke about it since 9-11.

and she lost so many more people than I did. So I was also like the type of guy that would turn channels whenever it came on anywhere near and around 9-11 and then it was 18 years before I sat down to write that blog which they put out every year. And when I was done with the blog, I was just as tempted to hit delete

as I was to publish because you know as a content provider sometimes when you share something personal and you put it out there into the ether, anything that comes back at you hurts a little bit more. So I put it out there. I don't want to use the word brave or anything like that, but it was like a different thing for me to be like,

and then when we, what I got back from the commenters that day and whatnot, and everybody from you guys, from social media was so almost exclusively positive, which doesn't happen in our industry anymore. There's always somebody at the end who was like, oh, by the way, you're fat. It was almost exclusively positive.

that I said to her, this is cathartic. If we get the opportunity to do something, man, it's changed this into such a negative type thing to a positive. Yeah. So when Kevin had her on last year for the 20th anniversary, like Kevin Clancy tried to like ring as much out of her as he could. He asked for her memory box, which Nick Hamilton, the talented Nick Hamilton made into like one of his Game of Thrones things with like different stuff from, you know, what we cut out

that day and sitting down and she spoke to kev for like two hours and again like i'm going to use the word cathartic a couple of times unbelievably positive and we had a fucking suck day that day we had a suck fucking year decade afterwards but you know the inflection point for us was like 18 years and the barstool platform and everything since that has been this is the first year in 21 years that i won't be seeing her on 9-11 we're opening up kansas so eric uh the guys are in Iowa for college football and so it's just me in Spider in Kansas and Megan making money

and Kelly from Vegas we're going to go to the thing so I would not be able to do that 10 years ago because I was keeping her head out of the oven for all intents of purposes so it's gotten so much better since we started sharing the story I think you agree with that?

Oh definitely well he would not talk about it yeah he would not talk about it and it was one of those things that I think because I was so close to it from day one and it was always in my face I got so numb to it and it got to the point where like almost like very off-putting like people would bring it up to me and I would just speak so frankly about it that you could actually like see people kind of like

she's talking about 9-11 so casually but I really it really was just in my face constantly so you know have you found that like are you are you mad when you think about it is that your first reaction or is it like is it anger is it sadness I don't think I ever really dealt with it. So I don't know. I don't know how to answer that. Yeah. She gets mad.

Yeah, she gets mad. I mean, she's not a huge crier. So it was, you know, like I had mentioned that when they finally had, like they hadn't found the bodies yet or anything, but they still had a memorial service,

my father and for her dad and all the other guys that we had lost at St. Patrick's Cathedral. I mentioned this before. When she went up and eulogized nine different guys, like she went up and gave nine guys like they're doing. I stead behind. I was on the podium at St. Patrick's Cathedral

when I was valedictorian at my high school. That's where we graduated. So I knew what the fucking grovitas of this fucking pulpit was. She went up there. She eulogized her dad and eight guys that she started in the business with, including her uncle Bob and all these people. And never had a crack in her voice. Meanwhile,

there was this giant Asian guy behind her. People thought, but it was me just so swollen from fucking crying. So she never has that like typical, you know, sadness, but the fucking anger was real. I mean, the anger for us was real, too. Like, even with those undocumented reports of people like, you know, waving rusty scimitars and, like, celebrating it afterwards, if it was or wasn't true, it caused us to be a little

bit, you know, angry for a while. But, you know, like time starts to heal all wounds, I think. Yeah. I mean, there was a, after the day itself, there was just a fire hose of information that was coming out and, like, conflict. reports about this happened that happened this person's responsible that person's responsible it must have been exhausting having to deal with like such a personal loss on a national platform so like everywhere in the media everything that people are discussing um it's not a news story that's

happening nationwide to you it's like it's talking about personal loss that you've been through like was it hard to to wrap your head around that and to be able to like get along with your daily life when you know every single every single piece of media that you consume i would imagine is talking about this giant loss that you've experienced i think oh i think it's so personal to each person that dealt with it that just like when there's a car accident in town or somebody overdoses when your kid goes to college whatever the scenario is right all you want to do is gather information. So for me, I was able to have that need fulfilled. I think a lot of people who have situations when it's just their family member, like, you know, just to them, they don't

get that. Yeah. You know, so I think from that perspective, any curiosity or need to know something I could find it. You know, I mean, the internet was still kind of like, you know, you could find things. it was it's not like it was now you know i mean like now there's mobile platforms and all that other stuff but back then if you wanted to get any information you could so the problem was is that it was too much and i it was like sensory overload to the point where like to your point but i was able to sit down and it would drive him crazy because i would be looking at every magazine because people would take pictures and they would post them online and bag um clippings and i would just sit there with a magnifying glass to see if i could see anybody yeah it was strange because

Because if your dad died in a car accident and every year on the anniversary of his death, every news station showed a car running into your father, you'd suck. Like her dad essentially got hit by a plane and they kept showing that plane going in. And then I didn't realize that as everybody else would casually watch a building like the World Trade Center on fire, which is a captivating image just to look at from 30,000 feet, I didn't realize that she was up against the glass seeing if any of those little dots were wearing the tie that he got her for Christmas.

Like you know what I'm saying? Like it's it was the first time that we've had a connection to something that big and like since then people who've had a tenuous connection to New York City or are too young to remember 9-11 or something seeing people that they may like or listen to

is has given them some sort of renewed interest in it Because people forget, it wasn't on the front page of the New York Post two years ago. 9-11 wasn't on the front page of the New York Post. I don't know what was, but I think it deserves a front page every year. That made me angry. You know, like, so it's an, you know, like it's an extremely personal connection for us. And I guess it would be like somebody having somebody that passed away in a war, do you know, which, you know, I don't. That same level of discussion.

around it right and then personally like i'll let a ligarian what what's the scariest thing that you've ever been through um like where i feel fear for my life yes it's not an easy answer no um does anyone know offhand scariest thing i i don't have uh i guess maybe just like hearing gunshots um and thinking they may hit you yeah does anyone else help but i i almost got into a car accident um i was driving home from my grandma's house one morning and this how this car just popped out into the middle of uh 684 and uh i swerved out of the way and the car didn't hit me but it hit the car behind me and in my rear view mirror i just saw the car behind me flip three times and I just like pulled over called 911 and I was like that could have been me like and I think like

chaps or cons or kate might have a more salient type thing but I can tell you right now being four blocks south and 10 blocks north of 210 story buildings falling down in fronty after he got hit by planes was the scared most scared that I've ever been I can't imagine something will scare me as much as that you know we've had some problems with kids complications with our you know with our baby where you're scared as a father. But I'm talking about like piss yourself scared. So that's also something that, you know, I don't think a lot of guys want to talk about either.

You know, the time, you know, he ducked behind a car because you're at gunshots. I don't know if that's something that you automatically want to talk about or you had to pull over because you were shaking so much, you couldn't fucking drive. Like it was like this extended thing that we weren't able to even share until we got to the other side. You walked across the Brooklyn or Manhattan Bridge?

When I got to the Brooklyn Bridge, they closed it down because they were, there was like bomb threats for it so they pushed up north so i walked over the manhattan bridge right so when we got to the brooklyn side that was first time we saw each other since the fucking it was only it was like around four o'clock that night yeah we were talking about the all the uncertainty that was happening in the immediate aftermath because everybody was like okay what's going to be next you didn't know the hours the hours even you didn't know that the attack was over we everybody was expecting more attacks to continue happening and you didn't know like

they said there was a bomb threat on the Brooklyn bridge yeah there were bomb threats everywhere And so you guys were trying to meet back up with each other. And this is, I would imagine that cell phone service was spotty at best coming out of Manhattan at that point. It was terrible. We could both call Brooklyn, his mom. We could both call landlines. Is that how you figured out where to meet up? Well, the way, like I was talking earlier, I was telling you about the booth space, like on the trading floor.

He worked for Citigroup at the time. And they shared a booth with us. So they had tie lines to their trading desk. So when it happened, I was able to speak to him directly because he didn't leave the trading. desk. So it's just like a direct line. Like you don't even have to push a button. You just pick it up. And it kind of just, you know, I could yell out over it. And anybody on the trading desk could hear that, you know, Boothby was looking for somebody on the desk. And then that's normal, like, you know, during the day. So, you know, it was just easy to talk that way. But once

he had to leave. They evacuated my building and the last two people on a trading desk. My building was 390 Greenwich Street. I worked for a city group at the time. Huge bulge bracket trading floor. Like, you know, 400 traders on the floor, you know, multiple, you know, 20-story building. The whole building was cleared out. There were two people left in 390 Greenwich Street. It was me and the guy who ran my trading desk. And it was me trying to figure out whether or not people were alive. And this guy was on saying to every customer, as soon as the market reopens, we'll be making aggressive two-way markets.

As soon as the market reopens, we're making aggressive two-way markets, going down the thing calling every fucking customer. And I was doing the same thing only I was both. I was talking to him, calling my family, but I was also calling my customers. Like if, you know, Dick Rossos says he's opening at 9.30, just, you know, if we open at 930, 10, 10, 30 doesn't matter. I'm here. Like, I was doing the same thing. Was that just when the first plane hit?

Yeah. Or did you, because when? The first and the second. When did you just stop, like, taking any attention to. Like, works over there. When they fell? No. I would say, I think when, um, when they, when they, when, when,

DC got hit. That's when Dick Rosso dropped the gates. And he said, if you're in the building, we're dropping the gates. If you're in the building, you're in the building until we reopen. Otherwise, you know, we want everybody in. And then once we went into lockdown, he's called it a death. Did you guys think that was ridiculous at the time that? He saved so many lives doing that. If he didn't do that, so many more people would have been on the street when towered two fell. Can I give people the dichotomy where we were at the time? Yeah. Yeah. So Annie was on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. Oh, I'm sorry, I should say it. Yeah, and I was on Citigroup's trading desk. Annie and I used to, I worked for her father when I first started, and I was banging the boss's daughter, and then we got married years later after I'd stopped working for him. I love saying that. I love it. My dad didn't love it, but, you know.

Yeah, he did not like it, did not enjoy it, which why I said it. You would not have been your dad's first choice to. No, my dad loved him. He just didn't like that he said it. Yeah, we had like a Hampton's house together, her dad, not like he was close with my dad. They had worked together for, I mean, he started in 93, but we didn't start dating until 97. So him and my dad had a really tight relationship.

Right. Was there, did you have to keep that secret for a while? We kept it secret until I had left to go to one of his biggest customers and which guaranteed that he would be doing business with that customer. You know what I mean? Consolidating power like in Game of Thrones. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

The McCarthy house joined with the J.P. Morgan house. So Harvey Younger. So, so when I had worked with him and, uh, Every Tuesday, we used to do breakfast at Windows on the World. And for people who don't know, the top floor of the North Tower was this beautiful restaurant that had absolutely breathtaking views and had very good food. We did our Tuesday morning breakfast there every week. And it was just all the brokers, clerks, heads from the New York and the Amex, we'd go up there

and have a beautiful breakfast. It was an eating club called Blue Sky. Jules was the guy who was in charge of it. I was very close with them because we'd had all stuff there. I had since then stopped working for her father. like I had said, J.P. Morgan, then to Citigroup. So city group's offices were very close to the World Trade Center. So I used to still go up on Tuesdays for the free breakfast and to meet all the guys that I had started in the business with, which means nothing. Those guys that I started

in the business with was her uncle Bob Toomey was guys that she started in life with that have known her since she was a little girl because Annie, you know, even through their divorce, Annie had spent time, you know, lived with her dad and stuff like that. So she was very intimately involved with all these guys. So we used to go there every Tuesday, which is the first clue because 9-11 was on Tuesday. And he had a root canal on Monday. So on Tuesday, she didn't go to breakfast. Instead, I dropped her off at the New York Stock Exchange and then I came up to Citigroup. So now if you can picture these two giant towers, four blocks south is the New York Stock Exchange, 10 blocks north the city group.

840 comes around or so. I'm interviewing a young lady for an internship. All of a sudden, the plane comes in. And the plane had come from the north and hit the north tower. So my vantage point was very good to look at it. Hers was not because she was south. So there was still some questions going on. So when she decided that the shit hit the fan,

and when I decided that shit hit the fan, even though we're only 15 blocks apart, were two totally different times. Because I was able to leave city group and start walking towards her after the second plane hit and then as I was walking towards Annie the first tower had fallen and so I got pushed to the water

because of the rubble and the smoke and then I had made myself you know then we were going to go down and meet at the downtown athletic club is where we used to have all our Christmas parties and stuff the downtown athletic club is where we had memberships when I worked for a dad

it was like a safe haven for us and so that that tower falls I get pushed to the side I talk about it in the blog how like a cop was running in front of me dropped his gun I reached down to grab a gun so I always wanted a gun but I just missed and I had to just keep running

because I was running for my life and we all got to like the fucking the barrier as like you know the fucking rubble light came over us it was it was unbelievably just terrifying and you turn around all of a sudden a twin tower lost the twin and she then

had come out from being inside the confines of the New York Stock Exchange kind of getting her cues from Dick Grasso, who's the president of the stock exchange at the time, Texas Tornado, Dick Grasso, a little tiny guy, looks like a turtle without the shell. And if she would have been allowed to come out or if members of the exchange would have been allowed to come out, they were so close to the site, they may have been inclined to be some place where all of a sudden 100 and some odd story building would have just

overtaken him. So I do believe that the guy had saved her life as far as that goes. I was talking about conducting business. Oh, yeah. That's what I was talking about. I wasn't criticized. No, no. 100%.

When did you know that there was no business? Basically, when did you know, like, because I watched two hours of all the footage of what it occurred. And since I was, I was two years old, a lot of people in my life were affected. And like, you know, going to school and kids weren't there and finding out that a bunch of parents had died was something that was some of my first. memories um but when did you like realize because watching the footage it was oh a pilot had crashed you know planes had gone into buildings before that was the first thing i thought that it was just a random yeah hyper plane just hitting it when did you realize oh when was the oh shit like pure fear when did it hit when did you like abandon all responsibilities when um so where i was situated

was I was south of the tower the towers and the pilot missed when he when he the first plane came from the north it hit but when he came in to hit tower two he missed it so he had a circle down and he circled down the bottom of Broad Street

like over so I heard it go over I heard it go overhead and you all you heard like he accelerated like and he gunned it the last you know thousand feet so we're hearing that

The sound of the engine was definitely it for me. Yeah. Like I heard him gun it and I heard him hit and then I felt it. He missed the first time. Yeah. He did a lap down the, so basically he came up up Broad Street from the bottom of Manhattan. So he came up over us. So hearing him gun the engine and then him hit and then feeling everything shake,

that's when Dick Grasso came over. Like we all knew it. And then that's when he came over and he was like, we are locking down the building this is obviously terrorism and then when DC got hit we had we had lost power for a few for a few minutes

and my friend with the guy next to me his sister was a cop and she had gotten a call that DC was hit so we had known by that like it kind of all came within like the next so it hits it hits at 846 the first one right and then she's going about her business

wondering what the fuck's going on for 17 minutes until 903 when it hits the South Tower. And in that time frame, like, I'm calling my other clerks on the other side. Like, I'm asking them because normally, normally when we go for breakfast, because I wasn't a broker at the time. And clerks have to be on the trading floor by 845. And my dad was one of those people like, well, you know, I got the luxury of going with them because I always got there early

because I would drop him off usually first. and I would order breakfast for everybody. So being that that morning, I didn't go, they didn't have to be down on the trading floor early. So they kind of just lingered. And so I was putting up my brokers and I was calling my clerks on the other side to see if they had seen them because to be still up there that late was unusual for them because usually they were on the trading floor by nine.

And you have to take the elevator down, get off, switch elevators. So normally they would leave by 835. like 835 we were already in the elevators so like the window for them to still be up there versus getting out was so tight you know but my dad had stepped aside to let somebody else get on the elevator because he was bullshit and what somebody about theater tickets or something so he stepped aside let her get on and she was the last elevator down and she called me she felt like she was so overcome with emotion she just she's like I just felt like I needed to apologize like Survivor's guilt is a real thing. It's a real thing. It really is. I mean, it's, it's a, because you just want to, like, what if? If I could just go back, if I could just change it, like, maybe I didn't do something.

We didn't find this out until a long time afterwards. So you got to think that around that time thing, was he in an elevator on the way down? Is he trapped under the rubble? Because, you know, it seemed to be like anybody above the blast was fucked because it caused the 13-floor gaping hole in the tower that was fueled by a 1,200-degree fire. So nobody above it. So what if he was in the elevator and he was in the sky lobby or something at the time? So we were very much going through the rubble, you know, trying to find his remains,

you know, metaphorically, we're waiting for somebody to come back because there's all these reports, fake reports too. And that's where things started pop out. people tropped in air pockets so many people going to the hospitals that they airlifted people to new jersey hospitals and whatnot people on conscience and their their clothes burned off so they didn't have any IDs all this stuff they started to have like fake logs of where people were and then i was like getting these logs off a line and people were signing yes we just checked in jim morrison and elvis president like people fucking with you going down to the armory the next day then going to

the red cross she swabbed her mouth and her mom swabbed term out they took her mom away from her was left with her dad that's what they went after bone fragments with it was such a long process of going through her her uncle was one of her first people found uncle bob pascumu was he was the second person he was number two yeah and you know like so perhaps his body was bellowed out of a window but he was on the phone with his son when the building collapsed so when they found him they found him completely intact like the air pressure might have thrown him out of the window. Yeah.

No, I don't like, he was trying to get to the roof. So maybe he was in the stairwell and, you know, because the roof was locked. Yeah, I mean. Some people got on, but I don't think it, I don't, I don't know if it was tower one or two where they actually got on the roof. Because there was a big problem. There was a big fight between the fire department and, and the police department, about whether or not there should be rooftop evacuations from 1993. Yeah. So one, one of them had a helicopter.

One didn't. So it was like a big controversy. you, but the doors were locked because of that. So I don't know who side was what, but, um, I mean, all the different possible scenarios of what could have happened after that's all you go through. Yeah, I feel like that would, it would drive you insane. It would have and I don't think that there's, it's, it's like completely natural to go through all those scenarios.

Definitely. There are people that you care about. You're naturally going to think, okay, what if this happened? What if that happened? But at the same time, it's, it's also got to, it's got to add just a tremendous weight to you to have to like bear that burden of. constantly be thinking these things through and then you know obviously like the uh the fake logs that get set up who did who do we ever figure out who was responsible for those like what what type of person

i'm trying to think of like the psychology behind somebody that would could be a sell set up a hoax like that could be a sell that they're trying to make money like oh subscribe to this list or whatever it is give us your credit card information we're updating no it was it was um so So what it was is that every time you went to one of these places and somebody was accounted for, it was just handwritten. So people were just typing in. Like they, it was, you know, I don't think they really paid attention to what names they were transcribing. So there were actual real logs, but people would update with like fake names that they'd put in there. So from what I've heard, they didn't really find any survivors, right?

It may be one or two that were in the rubble. But for the most part, it's like if you were there, you were done. If you got, if you, if you, if you were found, it was because you escaped on your own. Everybody else was basically pulverized. Yeah. I, we just told the story on Twisted about the act. You know, Christopher Lee, it's got that great voice. He was Count Ducco and like, Sarjerk.

He was Saruman and like Lord of the Rings, like a classic actor. Was he the first Dumbledore? No, no, no different guy. No, that was Richard Harris, I think. And like Christopher Lee speaks six languages is a professional. opera singer. He's been in more movies than anybody else in the history of film. Classic voice, classic down. Like he climbed Mount Vesuvius three days before it erupted. And I was thinking to myself, wow, that must be a fucking great feeling. Like cheating death. You know what I mean?

Like maybe, you know, the two stories that Aaron and Billy had shared that they cheated death. What about the people that were like, my aunt was on the 19th floor. And she like reluctantly hit the stairs, walked out and just got beyond the rubble point where a fucking building fell behind. like that's got to be something too you know like the the the survivors that like I couldn't imagine survivors guilt people were people who were there were probably you know there are people with strong opinions being like we should leave now there were big time arguments about that some people saying no we have to stay here right now and there was so much conflicting information going on like there's no playbook behind that like what do you do

if I was watching like some of the footage and I was really hard to watch and I was really hard to watch and like there's people who are filming it outside of where it was and they were saying I'm leaving I'm getting out of here and somebody in the room with them was like no we have to stay and so it's like a really you just never know what to do like you said there's no playbook man well I actually have a question for you all about um the subsequent chatter around it right and like it's like a probably a threefold question like what did you feel about as far as like wanting and needing answers as to how it happened. And also, what was your feeling with all of the chatter about how it happened? So like this, the conspiracy theories that pop up

and how does that like emotionally affect you? Or, you know, did it at all intrigue you? I mean, I can speak for myself and partially for Annie. I was an interesting. I was an interesting. in any conspiracy theories. I didn't want to go down any kind of rabbit hole. I was going to just take for gospel whatever the government told me it was. I just wasn't in the market to start to do this because, you know, we speak about how strong Annie was throughout this process. And she was incredibly strong. It was an most impressive thing I've seen in my life. But it was also like trying to keep my family together. You know what I mean? Like because we were, you know, we were on dire streets you don't want to leave person when they're down either you know what i mean but so i was like let's just

let's just move on you know right to ship but she was into these conspiracy theories like so she was she kind of got into them because it was almost like something um investigative like who killed my dad type thing i think one of the things that may have given her some sort of closure is during that that Operation Neptune Spear when when Rob had killed him, who finally killed bin Laden. Like that was really one of the only times that I had seen Annie get a certain degree of closure because she kind of knew that bin Laden was tied to it. So Rob O'Neill is maybe still a lot of people don't like him, unfortunately,

because he broke that code and spoke about all the stuff that they had done, whether or not he did it alone or all. It doesn't matter. I had met the guy who had shot bin Laden. That's all I needed to know. I introduced it to my wife, and she seemed to have a tremendous amount of, you know, closure with that. But before that, she was game for a lot of that shit, right? Like, you're paying attention to a lot of them.

I'm sorry, go ahead. Oh, sorry. What were the ones that you were interested in? Because there's so many, you know, I know a lot of people get kind of angered by all the speculation that was about it. But being someone who was affected, which ones did you sort of give any sort of penance to? well i 93 when it's happened in 93 there was a lot about that too like it started back then and do people know what happened in 1993 yeah we talked about a little bit that was uh rums of yusuf right so when well no he's i think he's talking about what happened to me on 1990s she was there

too for that it was fucking so it's fucking wild when just to give you i don't want to keep you all day i'll keep you all day with this trust me no no go ahead when when my parents got divorced i lived with my dad and we lived in we had an apartment one of the um in the hotel that was attached to the north tower back then it was called the vista and my dad parked down in their parking garage and he was on the like when you first pulled down he was on the first parking level and he was right up against this this wall and um when 93 it happened was the first time we had bought an apartment in new jersey i was running late again and he we were getting furniture to So the guys got there early. It didn't fit on the elevator, so he had to wait while they carried up these stairs. He ended up missing his morning meeting that morning. But more importantly for like for this story, his truck was with him in Jersey, not parked in the regular spot. Yeah. So when they came down into the parking garage to plant the bomb for 93, instead of parking two levels down, they parked in his spot up against the wall. They were supposed to park at the last spot on the

the floor below it because then it would have put them underneath the vault and when it blew up it would have taken the whole thing down but because it blew up the way it did it kind of like reverberated up the wall the way it was so he had he got tied up with a bunch of you know um people like you know we want to see a bill lading for the couch you proved that you because the investigation behind that was why was this terrorist parked in your parking spot in your spot like he was never not there because we always like we parked he parked there every day honestly we have a street named after my dad on the corner of thames and trinity because every tuesday he started those breakfast meetings on that corner and he only moved up to windows in 85 maybe but he because he always held them on the street

corner so you know his truck was always there it just happened to be that that day we were moving and if it wasn't there if it wasn't there they would have parked in the correct spot so quick question that I actually didn't The vault Something it was something about where he parked He was the last spot And it was up against like The way he described it was the vault

You know I guess maybe under the mark Is that was in there? What was in the commodities exchange? It was like some kind of main structure Whereas they were supposed to have parked underneath it That way when they blew apart It was supposed to like Take that whole corner of the building out

I remember in 2011 Watching the movie that aired about, and that's my only and I remember they thought that by blowing up that part of the structure the whole building would go down. It was supposed to.

Yeah. But they didn't park in the right spot. It didn't count on you guys. They didn't count on the couch. They didn't count on like. And I'm sure there must have been like other you know, there were other factors figured in but we happened to have just been

you know, a player in that situation. So when this happened, I remember thinking like, oh my God, like they're like purposely targeting people individually like we i was like they're looking for like they're purposely targeting to make it look like what i could think of was arlington road you know like they're trying to make it look like we're somehow connected to this you know major event with the trade center like it was it was bizarre you felt like guilty of uh i don't know if guilty is the right word but you felt like

it's happening again it was personal i felt like they were like everyone's going to think that i had something to do with it hands down yeah but did you ever buy into i think i think I think from what Aryan and Billy are saying that it was an insurance scheme or that Bush was behind it or that because I know you'd given all that and every time I was like just stop just stop doing that just you know and I pushed it off but did you ever and I never asked you these questions that's why I'm reiterating now were you ever part of the conspiracy crowd or was it just something you looked into no I definitely think that when you see the way that they fell it's impossible to believe they fell the way they did like I always felt like how do you have these two buildings fall so perfect. It was perfect. They fell perfectly. And if you ever, like if you, I don't know if you guys have watched the documentary Spike Lee did. But in the third episode, they show how it's, how it was actually built. They showed, you know, piece by piece by piece. And, you know, that's what my father-in-law did for 40 years. He was an iron worker. He built the trade center. You know, eye beam after I beam, like one at a time. My dad, my dad, was a problem. Put the antenna on top of the

trade center. Yeah. His dad did. Yeah. That sounds like a terrifying job to me. I couldn't do it. Yeah, he's the guy who crawls around on the beams. Oh, fuck that. Oh, you scared of heights? Me? Yes.

I'm, oh, not. I was scared as probably most people because I spent a lot of time on my roof with him. But he's the mansman. He's macho man. And he was retired when he found out all this stuff. And there was all those questions about people being trapped in the rubble. He came out of retirement and went down. It was fucking working a, you know.

The crane. Yeah, a crane to get fucking, you know, he's certain. So. But I definitely bought into that. after seeing how the way they were built and knowing everything that I saw and how close I was and everything I felt and smelt and dealt with like there was no way in my mind I believe that not so much that it was our government but I definitely felt like there were extra bombs or something I felt like there were backpacks dropped on under desks throughout the way I definitely

felt like you know yeah they just all needed a spark you know you time bomb the M80 with a cigarette and you all wait you know you break them they would break them in different spots so that they all blow off at the same time right and you like the lightest the longest one first so i always felt like maybe they had backpacks planted around on different floors and the lighter fuel all just ignited them all at the same time like it there was just it just fell so neatly how does it fall so neatly like how did nothing fall sideways yeah i i would have to imagine that there's uh there's there's a lot of stuff out there that it it gives you like solid explanations and in a time when you're trying to figure out like who's the bad guy like people were saying like two days after

the fact like okay it's bin laden did this so when you found out like okay this is bin laden it's got his fingerprints whatever al Qaeda took full responsibility for or whatever you guys were you immediately like okay let's fucking go let's what like was there you know you mentioned how when you found out that he was killed that you were you relieved by it was that emotional like where you it provided closure were you happy when i heard that he died yeah were you like oh it's probably one of the probably one of the only times i cried about like i was so i remember getting nauseous i remember i got really nauseous when i heard it um because it just it was just like a like when you like when you

when you bring up like when he claimed responsibility the first thing I did was I had to see what he looked like you know and I just kept staring on his face and I kept thinking to myself but he looks so nice like he had such a kind face like because you what what is a face of evil right I didn't know what a face of evil was I have I've never interacted with or experience anything so just demonic in my life so to look at somebody's face and think that's person responsible it was like impossible for me to get my mind around. And so to see someone's face and know that that person set out to do that was very difficult. Like I couldn't accept that it was a person that did that's what. Yeah. It was like it had to be something, you know, you know, it has like, you know,

you think of a, what do you call it? Like you tell your kids, oh, don't speak to any strangers because they're the van, the white van. It's never a person. It's never like, you know, it's never a 23 year old Caucasian male that's going to come and get you. It's always a guy in a van. So it was I never, it was always a thing that I associated with something so evil. So to see a person's face was, I thought very hard.

And every time we get, like the second in command of Al Qaeda, like to us, that's just, I feel like every six months I refresh CNN or whatever. And that's one of the headlines. For you, are you still like,

is that like resonate with you? Where you're like, fuck yeah, we got another one? I mean, not as, you're not as, Not as much, no.

I can tell you, when she met Rob, it was embarrassing how, how, you know, how affectionate she was. It's kind of cucked. But, you know, so that, so I don't think anything is going to reach that, that original type thing. But, yeah, we want them all to die. Like, and, you know, not as, not as big as we did back then, which is a pretty bold statement to say, you know, and the, you know, we, the information was so much less back then.

I mean, think about 2001, like, it's, like, they took her from the armory. They found out that there was a girl from the New York Stock Exchange who was looking for her dad. So, like, Fox News. Fox News grabbed her off the line in the armory. We're like, do you want to come to the studios tomorrow? And as opposed to being just the people who are putting up pictures like they lost a cat, people putting up pictures like they lost a cat of their fucking relatives all over Lower Manhattan. And have you seen this guy?

You know, that's because there was no fucking internet, you know, really back then. But what were they going to do? Like, it's not like they were wandering. Like, I don't know what we were thinking doing that or why we did that. People were so desperate. You had to do it somewhere, right? So they gave her the opportunity. They said, why don't you come on Fox News and put it out there?

So she went home that night, got our wedding album because we had just been married for two years, maybe. And she got our wedding album. And all nine of the guys were at our wedding, obviously. and so she picked out the best pictures of them and then she went on Fox News and told her story, told the whole thing and this is my dad and this is Uncle Bob

and this is Pat Dickinson and this is Johnny and this is Mike McCormick and Mike Tamuchio all these guys, Tommy Sullivan and Sully and but a good majority of those pictures I was in with the fellas so imagine you all of a sudden saw somebody you kind of knew from the floor

and the floor is a big family and then you saw my picture so then you fast forward as people are starting to get body parts and are starting to actually put people in like, you know, coffins and stuff. I showed up at multiple funerals where people looked at me

and thought they saw a ghost. They thought that Annie had lost me as well as her dad and stuff. And people were very, very happy to see me. Like in a way that no one's ever been happy to see. I thought you were dead. Like it was pretty fucking cool. Like, you know, as far as that goes

because of the misinformation and just kind of randomly seeing it, holy shit, was that guy they called large or big or whatever? Yeah. And then to see me, you know. That's what we were saying with John Sino when it was reported that inaccurately that he died. Uh-huh. If I were him, I would have taken a couple days before I corrected everyone.

100%. He didn't think that was very funny, though, because he, his friend died or there was some. Oh, was it around of his friend? That's when he was like, no, it had nothing to do with his friend, but he just didn't think that talking about death was acceptable. But I'd still maintain, like, if it's got to be a great feeling for somebody who thinks that you're dead to see you alive. It was wild. Aaron, did I answer your answer his questions?

He just had to leave a second ago. He said he didn't want to interrupt the flow peace and then my love and appreciation for sharing the story was very emotional. So he had to roll out real quick. Did I answer him? Yeah, I have a couple more questions going back to that basically the 30 minutes

when you're figuring out it's happening. You knew it was a terrorist attack. Did you have any inkling of who may have done it? I never even asked who did it. I like, so for me, I guess it's, you know, I just wanted to know where everybody was. You know, if like I, I never even thought to ask who it was until, I don't know if I ever asked. They might have came out with who it was. We were so much more innocent back then.

Yeah. Billy, it was so much more innocent back then. This was the inflection point where America lost its innocence. I mean, someone flew a fucking place. plane into a building in front of me and I was like drunk driver like now you cannot light off a lady finger in a fucking schoolyard without there being an investigation that we were very so the terrorist thing when it clicked after the second one they had the airports and the bridges shut down in five minutes like then they went into okay first it took two fucking planes flying

into a building before they now right away it's the first thing on everyone's mind because we've lost our innocence to a degree. So there wasn't, even though I know it sounds stupid, there was that 17 minutes where I was like, this is just a horrible accident. I hope everybody's alive. That was the craziest part of when I was watching the newsreels that the way they were talking about it after the first one hit,

I was just like everyone, like I almost felt because, you know, I've only lived in a post-9-11 world. I was like, everyone's so naive. Yeah. Like, and then when the second one hit, I, like there was a, a second where people

there was one video where one guy's like that guy just did it on purpose. Yeah. And literally, you can't believe it. You cannot believe that this is actually happening. I mean,

it was a moment America changed. Like into the America that I now know where people think the way they think it like it was that, I wrote it down and it was in my notes when I was watching. That was the one thing that really impacted me. It was literally the second America changed forever.

We didn't think it was possible. It's something I never understand. understood like you guys understand it i never understood because i was learning the word terrorist at the same time i was learning the word tourist because in in like that was i remember when i was very younger like 9-11 was like one of the first moments in my memory not like i remember bits and parts in years after where you know we're going to war it's o three i'm four years old you know like i'm seeing the war in iraq on tv every day like that the whole thing as i was learning the word terrorist at the same time as tourists and differentiating it and like telling people like we went to boston and

we're walking around they're like we're terrorists yeah my mom's like what we talked a little bit before you guys sat down about how like the nation in many ways was united after 9-11 now if you talk to people who are Muslim or people who are Hindu or who might appear that they're from the Middle East they probably have a very different story behind how they were treated by a lot of people but it was like 90% approval rating for George Bush right after the attack everybody seemed to kind of be for the most part

like trying to help each other out I think that if a situation like this happened right now the reaction would be so much worse than it was like back then I think that like having everybody has a phone everyone has social media the amount of misinformation

that I think would get out there in an event like this if it happened today would actually like tear us apart as a country. I agree with you because it's no long, right away everyone wants to know who did it. Yeah. I don't think we thought like that.

Back then our first thought was, oh my God, is everybody okay? Yeah. Now it's like, you know, I think, to your point, because they're all safe at home in their, in their environment. Yeah. Imagine how many theories there would be today. Instantaneous. We talk about like the big theories from 9-11, you know,

do you touch upon the big three or the big five? I mean, there would be instantaneous, like you said, dozens upon dozens. And what people like to do now more so than they did back then was a sign blame. Like when he came out and threw that fucking BB at the Yankee Stadium or whatever, you know, there were a lot of Democrats in that fucking crowd. Yeah. You know, but everybody was kind of, we don't have that anymore. And there's so many keyboard bullies now. Yeah.

Everybody just wants to be like, you know, I'm right, you're wrong. I would make a brand about it right now to be the first person to say like, oh, look, this is like this is, like, this is. why it's Biden's fault instantaneously or this is why it's Trump's fault there would be somebody that like had some sort of information about Trump having a building and exactly fitting the narrative yeah like this is Antifa these are like instantly instantly would be a big it would it would I actually think it would just tear us completely apart it takes the human aspect out of it all together it does and you're right like after the after the the day was coming to a close on that Tuesday I remember that's when the news station started to report about the terrorist chatter oh it's

looking like it could be bin Laden but that wasn't even just a discussion I think that was one the first conspiracy theory happened because the woman from BBC I don't know if you that woman Jane something had reported that they said that that tower that's like seven world seven world trade had collapsed and it hadn't collapsed yet and they were saying well how did she know it collapsed when it hasn't collapsed yet and there was like that time now there's you know BBC is like we didn't even keep that footage what do you mean you didn't keep that footage how do you know how do you have you're going to tell me that during the biggest day event in history for terrorist attacks, you didn't save your video footage from your reporting and nobody believed that.

Yeah. We talked about this before, but the reason why Building 7, no one had a clear story on it was because the fire that was raging in there, that building had been evacuated. So no one knew. But it was an FBI, CIA type building. Or they had the SEC records. Right. It was like, that destroyed.

Exactly. What it housed was what made it. years later. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean like, but for I think everybody thought it was like so wild that it happened. But if you were down there like where I was, my shoes were sticking to the floor. Yeah. On the floor of the New York. So hot it was in the floor of the New York. That's how hot it was on the floor. You know, New York City is railed with subways. It's a whole subway system. So what's the, what is the first thing that goes through them? The heat, you know, their gigantic, the gigantic venting system. Oh, the heat from the fires. So when the trade center was burning, like,

Like it was escaping through every avenue that it had. And we were just, we're just all tunnels. Was there a subway station of the World Trade Station? Oh, yeah, the whole hub. It was an entire hub. The N train, the J train, the F train, the M train, like every train. And then you have the trains coming in going uptown, path train. Like, it was a major, major hub.

So the heat from both towers was just escaping. So I'm walking around the train floor hearing like everybody's feet is sticking to the floor because we have the F train below us. And he's saying that it fell so perfectly when, but she's only saying that because it didn't fall over like a tree. It imploded. But Billy, the amount of rubble from this thing downtown out. So I had to, I had to leave my car in the city.

I had to actually, when I got pushed out when the tower fell, I tried to get into my car to drive. So I took it out of my lot. And then my lot wasn't open. When I got in a car and I turned her off all bridges and tunnels are closed. Yeah. So then I had to park it on the street. on the street and I wasn't when was I allowed back in to get my car you and your dad went back in

the next day the next month because your dad well my father-in-law came out of retirement so when when they he drove in with my father-in-law so that he could go to ground zero and run the cranes because they needed someone to do it and the thing was which was I thought it was kind of cool they only wanted experienced people they didn't want people that hadn't worked there less than so many years they didn't just want you know newbies on the job they wanted experience people because now they're dealing with rescue. It was still search and rescue at that point. So they took me in a hazmat suits to get my car, you know,

which had six inches of dust on it, you know. Yeah, you were just, oh, I'm just dropping my dad off. And I'm out, I'm like, I'm on the outskirts of what it would be considered, quote, unquote, ground zero. Right. So what was going on down there, the amount of fires, you know, that was going on underground and stuff like that is. They were still going to 100%. Oh, they were going for two weeks. Yeah.

What was the smell? The smell. of what everyone at 390 Greenwich the smell of what people just had said was burning flesh but obviously it wasn't you know it was something so much more that permeated through that neighborhood for months like they're saying the whole mesothelioma thing like i've had multiple attorneys reach out to me you know to see if i've had any kind of long-term effects reached out to annie what it did to lower Manhattan is staggering and I know you're young

a lad at the time but it's absolutely staggering what they, how many dumpsters they had to fill. If you came into our garage and went through some of the boxes that I still have you would know what the smell was. You just open it and it just, you can't. It would probably open up because I remember like I remember

so my father was working outside the city at the time and he got my grandfather as a cop's badge from his house and yonkers to get through the roadblocks. He was just flashing it because I would I was hiding in a basement with my mother I don't remember this is all told to me and I mean like I could not imagine the fear that was just happening at that point like at that time like even on the bridges like when we're walking across the bridge to get to Brooklyn like I was like man we're sitting ducks yeah you know what I'm saying like it's it's

it's crazy that you know we can laugh about it and by the way our story is small compared to you know some people, but it's the first person account. And I actually wrote this in the blog too. I was looking down when I ran away after the tower fell. And I'd gotten so far north and I was on the west side highway, right?

So I was on the Hudson River. And I looked north because the wind was blowing south. It was blowing right over you. Yeah, so the wind was going south. It's going towards Brooklyn. So I was on the west side. So the wind was blowing the other way. So I was looking north

north east northwest towards new jersey and it was a beautiful day absolutely beautiful day and then you turned around and you looked southwest and it was a it was a mad max movie you know it's um you know then like cg i can't recreate that obviously uh the one thing i remember from that like like you you little things stand out like right before i left I didn't leave until one. I actually clocked a ticket, just out of habit. Like I wrote the directions to my uncle's wine store in Brooklyn, and then I clocked it before I just had a habit.

Like I still have that. But I remember when I walked out, I couldn't believe between where I was and where the Brooklyn Bridge were was, is all the shoes. There were, I've never seen so many women's shoes on the street in my life. People were running. Yeah, like you fuck these heels. Yeah. like it was just there were shoes like and it wasn't like a pair of shoes put off to the side there was like just like as if you just dumped a whole box on lower bandhine it was yeah that was bizarre and as soon as we got home then like you know you got to go you know to the armory and to the red cross and to all this stuff but i can remember pretty vividly at one point we're at her dad's house and we're still holding on to all hope that they're going to find somebody that was friday that was friday yeah and then

all of a sudden I get a call and it's jewels it's jewels from uh windows of the world and so he'd said uh large and i'm so glad that you made it out can you talk and so i went upstairs to talk and he said listened from all of and he was plugged in the guy ran windows of the world he wasn't there he was like from all purposes and all reports i can tell you that all the guys were up there uh it's some point or another and none of them made it out none of none of my people including so then i was like holy shit The point of impact. Yeah.

Because she came in on the 92nd floor. Yeah. So then I was able to hang out and go downstairs to her family. And almost, you know, like, like then it was a bomb. Like I was like, guys, we're done. You know, like we have to start doing, you know, start tempering our expectations. Like false hope is fucking terrible. And then we went about trying to find, you know, parts.

And then we found enough to, we found jawbone and a. And the hip. I had, like, my sister and my mom and I went with my mom. We did the DNA. And then I had called in the following July to see if they needed any more. Like, do you need another test? Do you need any more samples? Like, I didn't know what they needed.

And they said, no, we, like, and it was, like, now everybody gets real litigious, right? Like, you can't say anything. You're not next to kin and give me a paperwork proving your, give me your ID, give me this, that. So when I had called, the guy was. like oh no no we just need someone to come and claim and we've been leaving messages with your stepmom since march i'm like i mean and she's she's you know right up there with bin laden but i didn't i didn't know that you know i was like wait what so he was like oh i thought you know you would have known so i had no idea so i said well listen i'm not gonna he's like oh i don't know if i

should talk to you i said please just just tell me what you know and you know we're just going to you know i'm not i'm not going to sue you or anything for not like no one's suing anybody just please tell me what you found and that's when he told me they had found eight bones from basically from head to toe like eight hits that he was um found in the elevator under the north tower like they had been using like the basement as like a makeshift ramp to clear away stuff so in march they were able to go into the basement and that's where all the elevators that had come out service like that had basically just been cable cut had gone and um they said he was you know in the elevator that so i mean he honest to god like like seconds like just a few more seconds like

it's not even minute you know but um and i think that was the first time that i had some sense of closure because you hang on to this idea like maybe he didn't want to go back home you know like maybe he did see this as an opportunity to get out of a terrible relationship with a terrible person you know what I mean like you do have all these ideas in your head yeah so having that sense of closure like I didn't understand some of the people who didn't want to know like there's a lot of people who don't want body parts back or don't want to know if there's a DNA match because the thought is like they they might have made it out and they can they can keep holding onto that one I guess they do is like I can't understand I can't get my head around not wanting to know or not wanting to

half him back or denying him the proper burial type scenario. Right. So I think the first time I really dealt with it was when that happened. I don't think they found anybody who used 9-11 as a, like, restart. Like, I think about Olivia Newton-John who just died. Like, her ex-boyfriend went out and... Did you hear that story? Lillian and John, like he went on a fishing trip and crashed the boat and everyone said he was lost at sea.

And 10 years later, he's in Mexico. He's sipping boat drinks. He just wanted to get out of town. John McAfee might have done something like that. Yeah, yeah. Like, I don't know if anyone did that, but that was a mindset for a lot of people who were desperate at 9-11. Maybe some people just used to hit the reset button.

But, you know, obviously I've never heard of anything that happened. But again, like desperate times, you know, does that. But it was at that time that, yeah, it was at that time that we had, you know, we had gotten the confirmation that nobody had gotten out. Then all of a sudden we'd gotten the idea that there were these, you know, these pieces, as parts waiting for us. And then you can tell them then to sign a call off the dogs because we're going to cremate this.

We don't want it to become like some sort of morbid jigsaw puzzles. But we had enough to, you know, then do a proper burial so many months later and whatnot. And then that's, you know, it was a certain degree, right? That kind of put, oh, and how long was it before we wanted to do? That was July. That was July of 2002. Right. So, you know, like nine to nine to ten months later, you know, which is the longest

that you'd ever have to wait for somebody, right? I mean, you know, if you're dead died. I think, I can't imagine the aftermath of, you know, that following later that day and the next day, I would imagine that laws were kind of optional if you had to get around the city and you were trying to find people that you cared about. Like, you would probably, like, okay, a fence isn't going to stop me from doing anything. Like, police have bigger fish to fry in that situation. They're dealing with imminent matters of life and death. Do you remember, were there anybody, like, did you see anybody taking advantage of that situation?

situation like breaking into storefronts things like that or did people did society continue um i don't remember any looting or anything i'm i really i don't do you i'm so fucking negative on new york city you know i am i don't i'm not a big fan of what has happened to the city whatnot as guy who grew up in it with school and lory side and stuff i will tell you that it would have been a lot worse if this didn't happen in new york city the way in new york city came together after this and the the the the i give it all the credit in the world i think new yorkers had the right attitude in getting the fuck away i think a lot of more people would have died on that day if it wasn't for like this new york type thing like all right let's get out of here

like you know what i mean as opposed to like stand still and perhaps be sitting ducks i think they there was a a new york attitude and i think afterwards i think there was a real even for the most even for people who did want to take advantage and loot I'm sure there was a ton of it I'm sure there was a ton of it I think there was a real fear that there would be backlash from other New Yorkers who would find scumbags that were trying to loot you don't get that anymore as they're looting Fifth Avenue right now perhaps you know what I'm saying but back then I think I think New York did a very good job in the aftermath of 9-11

and on that day also like this is some real shit we're going to get through this and if anybody's going to get if anyone's doing anything yeah yeah exactly like you're not gonna mess up my new york yeah like i think people new yorkers became very new york right but i mean also if if if a fucking ATM got blown up during it and there was a bunch of cats i mean all that shit had happened 20 i would try to grab a gun yeah i tried to grab a fucking gun like i'm sure there was some back for his gun i have no idea well you know like then we were fucking scattered nobody went back for anything yeah yeah we were talking earlier about how um at when you saw everything happening on tv

when you saw the towers fall. The only way I saw it, I never stepped out of my building. I never went to the window. That was the end of my booth. Throw no windows in, yeah. You could feel it, though, I would imagine. Oh, yeah. Like shook the building that you were in.

Yeah. When I saw it on TV, my first thought was, my God, that's got to be like 20, 30,000 people. Probably just passed away on live TV. And the fact that it was 3,000 was shocking to me when the numbers came out later. I think it's about that same mentality. Like a lot of people that were their first instinctively. was like, let's get out of here, let's leave. And obviously, the emergency services did a good job getting people out as best they could.

But it is kind of looking back on it, it is, I expected it to, the numbers, just from a number standpoint to be so much higher than it ended up being. Yeah. No, definitely a pleasant surprise considering how much, just pure rubble. You could have fit a lot more people underneath there. you know honestly and you know and you hear these stories too about them passing you know old people down you know 50 flights of stairs who couldn't make it and and all that stuff and all that stuff I take is gospel all those great stories I even take those stories about the guy who's banging

his mistress in his apartment and his wife calls him you know are you okay it's like what do mean I'm okay I'm at my desk you know like turn on the news or something like that you know like those stories those were floating around like crazy at the time and those you know you can almost entertain more so than you know the people who took out you essentially bought a put the day before but um and i think who select like what celebrities became like who became a celebrity for you it was big then too um for and i'll give you an example like there was this guy now i think the majority of the people that died were above impact right like like for the tower one it was like 700 people right above impact which was the 92nd floor and then in tower two

was a lot more because it hit lower but there were people who there was one stairway out of all those building out of all those stairwells there was one stairway that worked you know and tower two and there was a guy so there's this guy named brian clark i don't know if you've read about him and this other guy stanley pramith have you seen them is this the uh red the red bandana no No, no, he was the other one. He was, I think he was the guy that was going up to help people come up and down. And I think he got trapped in the collapse of it. They're the guys who on the beer, do the beer stuff.

Yeah, yeah. But this guy worked, Brian was a, is a, was a manager on one of the chairs on the floors above impact in Tower 2. And when the shit hit the fan, he came running down, stairway A, just on his way down, he found other people that were running up. and like people would argue with him like oh you can't go down below there's no way to get below the point of impact so they were all finding a way to get out up when he's like I'm not going as long as I can get down I'm going down I'm going to keep going and on his way down he had heard somebody screaming it was this guy Stanley like he found this guy Stanley on maybe the 70 second floor I'm not sure with exact number he gets him and the two of them keep making keep going they get into

a fight with this other woman who's screaming at them saying they have have to go up and he was like no as long as i can keep going down i'm going down they came out and got literally to the street as the building collapsed so i found that story just that story just blew my mind so i'm literally dropping my kids off now 2016 at camp i go to starbucks to grab a coffee on my way home because it's literally right there and i only have a short of window that they're there and i see the guy i see him like right in front of me and i have to actually sit there and like I'm like oh my god I got to introduce myself this guy got out I said we sat there talking for about four hours I went got the kids I came back just about you know what it happened and and just the

whole how he got lucky he's like you would wouldn't believe how many people fought me that were running up he's like and I know I was the last we were the last ones to get out and I know they didn't find any survivors like how many people went up instead of down that would have survived and he just had the like the clarity to know something he's like no matter how many people tell me turn around i'm just going to i'm being drawn this way for whatever he just trusted himself he passed hundreds he's like i i easily passed hundreds of people going up what was the thought process and going up i guess maybe getting to the roof or i the stairway being blocked they didn't want to push past fire yeah there was big fires too right so i guess maybe they thought that something

was going to put out the fire you know it's an unprecedented type thing to be on a to be in a building where you know a dozen floors or so are blown out and you're still above it you know what mean like like coming down and trying to chase through i guess it was just getting hotter and hotter right because there's a jet fuel fueled fire um you know like you i think that's a natural thing to just get away from it to get away from that i mean that's all i can think about like i can put some thought into it did you guys ever think the towers were going to fall down when the planes out. No. When that first tower fell, and again, I have a different perspective because it was outside watching it. Even when the second plane it hit, it had hit so hard coming south

coming up, it hit so hard. It almost blew through the other side. So the first plane, like if you look down, by the way, everyone was on Greenwich Street because it was a straight shot down to look at what was happening. It was a great vantage point for photographers and whatnot. And then the second one, Like, the whole thing happening was, you know, so confusing, you know, what was going on. And then when you kind of got these other reports, it was so terrifying. You know what hurts now, too, is like I see kids and whatnot, see this guy Giuliani, who's become like an absolute cartoon character. Like, you know, just rallying back to New York.

You know, at that time, like, I'm giving New Yorker stuff, the guy was a fucking stud. You know, like, that's kind of how I remember him. Now he's getting thrown off of the mass singer and stuff like that. It's funny how, you know, this time passes because the individual heroes, you don't really remember too much, but he was one of those ones that was just so fucking outstanding. He became a celebrity to you. Yeah, yeah, he was a fucking stud. I think that was crazy old man.

We're all looking for in the aftermath of a situation like that is somebody who's in a position of leadership to show just a basic amount of. humanity and to show empathy for what's happening and to show that you're part of that community that's experiencing the loss. And people will naturally root for you and want to support you. And then as years go by, you start to learn more about the guy. And it's like, oh, well, he's really gone off the deep end lately. But in that moment, he was a great leader for New York, for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He did he did a great job. He was called what, like America's mayor. But it goes back to the FDR days. You don't elect a man in a wheelchair. Like the less,

the less you know the better about the, right? Like, people come. kind of like to be kept just give me the highlights show me the highlights show me the highlights nobody's perfect what was the first time afterwards that you heard a 9-11 joke oh my god right away i think i worked on the floor we like they didn't stop like they started that day in public like uh like uh anthony jesselnick or something like that like that was one of those things too i think you would hear it that weekend in comedy clubs like you know pt davidson is obviously he jokes about it his dad and all that kind of stuff but for a while there there was a certain degree of too soon bro like the too soon stuff really started back then i never think it's

too soon police were out in full force huge they're like active patrols she's right the floor has absolutely zero regard for anybody i mean people who had lost people are the first to do it the floor is where i get all my too soon stuff yeah yeah but it's the only way to handle things like we deal with stuff we're different animals we deal with it head on give it to me tell me what it is so I can deal with it. I don't want any, don't sugarcoat it. Don't pretend it didn't happen. Don't, you know, give it to me exactly how it is

because it's the only way to get past it. How do you guys feel about the memorial and the museum? We didn't go to it for how many years? Oh, we didn't go until. We had zero interest in going. Years ago. Zero interest in seeing her dad or her uncle or any of the guy's names or anything like that.

Years later, my buddy Scott McCarthy was in town with his family and he said, we want to go down there. And I floated a buyer. I was like, I know I've been avoiding it. You want to go? She was like, all right, fuck it. So our friends from California came down.

She went on a, there was a separate line saying family members. So she went on the separate line. Otherwise, there was a huge line to get into the fucking place. Wines up. She's on there as a family member. They gave us this white glove treatment, walked us through. And it was interesting. A lot of the stuff was, you know, we didn't really learn.

It was like a dollhouse version of what we actually saw. that day so it's like but i've always resented people who were there like you know instagramming in front of the fucking melted beam yeah like you know what i'm saying like i like even we went to the world war two museum down in norleans and it's my favorite museum in the world i think it's fantastic like i wouldn't actually you know i wouldn't throw up a pose in front of a fucking pungy trap from the pacific theater right you know what i mean but people tend to do that in fucking new york you know so i thought in that respect there was a little bit of disrespect, but the museum itself was very nice. And it really rolled out the red carpet

for people who were, you know, I don't even know how we were on the list of family members. I think it might be a situation where if you're going to lie about it, they'll like let you lie about it. But they're going to let you live with the fact that you lied to cut the line at the 9-11 museum. But I never put my name on the list. Like if you want to be that person, you can be that person. No, I'm saying I never put my name. name on a list to be a family member or maybe they just matched up a last name no like the underneath rick's name there was some somebody must have submitted it i think billy has to go like i have to go pee i've been drinking matte all day you know what i did find it's very funny watching

billy for the last like five minutes swirming act like oh should i get up and go that's right i think my stomach keeps growling so i don't know if anybody hears that that's mine yeah but like i did find it weird when we went to the museum like i saw everything So I wasn't really affected by it because like this happened Tuesday, the following Monday, I was right back at work. The 17th, I was right back at work. Like there was no time. The only time that was downtime was when the exchange itself was closed. I was there for the day opening, conducting business as usual.

Do you think that helped you or that? Oh, God, yeah. I would have never been able to survive dealing with that. I'm not, I'm not very, like, I don't do well with emotional stuff. So this, this pretending, like ignoring it was great for me. But when we did go down to the museum, and it was only a couple years ago, I didn't know they had actual audio of like Atah talking to the people, which really shouldn't make a difference because any of the hijackers talking to any of them really should be all the same. But for whatever, you know, he was the pilot that flew into the North Tower. So that's the one I just kind of focus on.

And I didn't know he addressed the passengers. Like I didn't know he said that they were turning around. And if everybody just stays calm, everybody will be just fine that they're, you know, I didn't know any of that went down. So that was, that was kind of tough to hear. Like I thought that was, you know, like it was almost like hearing it for the first. I mean, I was hearing it for the first time, even though I probably heard it a thousand times. But I just didn't, I didn't know that. Like it was weird to think that there was something about that that I didn't know.

because you had in the aftermath I'm assuming that you turned over every rock everyone I mean I studied everything I went through everything I turned over every rock except they built a fucking museum and we didn't go to it for 10 years like honestly I'm talking about in the days after like in the first six months

you know I really I was hyper-focused on everything so to tie it in a little bit with what's going on in the modern world there's a lot of talk about Saudi Arabia and about, you know, they're doing all the sports wash and they get to live tour, all that. I've seen a number of, like, families' statements that they've made about this. Do you guys feel any certain way towards, like, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, or is there

any, like, you know, is there any a group of people that you still, like, harbor anger or resentment towards that you think will never go away? I definitely know that I definitely hold Saudi Arabia responsible without a doubt. I mean, this gets funded, right? Yeah. This doesn't happen unless someone pays for it and the money trail is there. Have you looked at the victim's lawsuit? Like the Jasta lawsuit?

Yeah. Oh, definitely. It's not even about the money because you're never going to see a dime from it. Like no one's ever going to see a dime from any of that. Be sweet if we did though. Yeah, even if you could get money from Saudi Arabia. maybe they've got plenty of money they'll have more where that comes from it's more of just like i find the people that funded this so fucking arrogant and i think their arrogance is what is not

going to be allowed to go away by these jasta lawsuits and and the kingdom of sovieting them and that's what they don't like they don't like that they are being sued you nobody whoever files a lawsuit is ever going to see a dime of it and i don't think any family any i mean maybe there are some family members. I mean, I'm sure, you know, there's always that one in someone's family that's going to do something that's because they think they're going to get the cash for it, but no one's ever getting a dime from it. But knowing that you can and that's going to annoy them is.

Keeps the spotlight on them. It keeps the spotlight on them. It keeps people talking about it a little bit. I don't think we begrudge people who play on, what do I, a horse of the race, like the live tour or anything like that. Because if you go and you try and, you know, make us think out of everyone. Like the U.S. government does so much with Saudi Arabia. Every bank that you fucking, you know, has dealings with Saudi Arabia, you know, you drive yourself crazy.

So, um, because Chaps had put that to us before he had like Faraday on or something like that. I think that it's, you live in a capitalist country. Everybody's out to make money for themselves. Like I do, I get, I understand why every, not everybody feels the way I do. Yeah. You can tie money in. You can find dirty money with anyone that's collecting a paycheck in the street pretty much. And with, with that, um, I, I was,

doing some research into the lawsuits that are going on right now. And it seems pretty cut and dry that Saudi officials like funded this shit. Yeah. They paid to have this happen. And the only reason, in my opinion, that we went into Iraq is because we couldn't go into Saudi Arabia. You can't, the United States can't invade Saudi Arabia. They've got too much financially at stake. We're so intertwined with that country that they'll never actually be able to pay for like the cost of what they did to us because they have us over a barrel in a certain way. And I can't imagine what that would be like as a family member or someone that experienced what happened that day. Like a lot of people that were involved in the planning would happen might not ever be

brought to justice for it. And at some point, you have to, I guess, kind of accept that, but still put pressure on them to make sure that people talk about it a little bit. Definitely. And I think when you come face to face, and I respect 100% without a doubt, the way the SEAL Team 6 guys feel about Rob taking credit. I get that. I am one of a core five that we keep our family very tight families first. Our family means everything. Everything stays within our, you know, we don't air our dirty laundry.

We keep everything private. Except on macro dosing. But so I do respect that code, family code, right? And they might not be blood related, but they're brothers, right? But I cannot also speak from the other side of being where, I was and having Rob O'Neill tell me that he canude the guy's fucking head that takes a tremendous amount of real

like you just want to say good you know like So as people in the card deck were getting killed and whatnot there was like that type of like we're never going to get you know we're never going to shut down Saudi or Ramco and get into the fucking

palaces and do all that kind of stuff but you know seeing a couple of those people in that deck of cards remember the deck of cards that yeah and like seeing a couple of those get wiped out the east of spades yeah Yeah, it was pretty cool. All right. Well, thank you guys for joins.

Is there anything you'd like to discuss or anything we didn't get to? I would say that if you guys were downtown and you were on Tame Street between Washington and Greenwich, you'll notice that it's between Greenwich and Trinity. Crenich and Trinity. You'll notice that it's named Emmer Carvey Place and that now probably means something. That's saying he's, you know. And by the way, we went there like, we didn't do it right away. We went there like seven years later to like a city council meeting and we put it on the

docket and the guys like all these, you know, New York Stock Exchange is such a tight family, American Stock Exchange. So all these guys, we had all these signatures. And they were like, wasn't there a moratorium on streets? Because they were trying to name a street after everyone after 9-11. And the guy's like, yeah, I think it was like expired last year. So they were like, fuck, he's in. So we got a street named after him after one, five.

fucking meeting. Well, you needed something like 10,000 names. And we ended up getting something like 70. Yeah. But like there are people who had, you know, a lot more signatures than us and all that. We're not saying that he's more important than anybody. But they put a moratorium on him. You couldn't.

So the street down there, if you guys ever pass by it, it's not just another street. It's our. Okay. Where did that cop drop his gun? Because we'll get back there on the side of the window. Yeah. He actually, when he also grabbed someone's laptop. Oh, yeah.

Some guy left his lap. He felt bad. like, oh my God, Annie, somebody left their laptop. I mean, he's worried about some guy's information being hacked. So on the bottom, the guy had his name and his phone number. So he calls him and he's like, listen, you know, when all the craziness, I think you left your laptop on the seat. It's like on the bench at Stuyves.

It's in high school. So the guy was like, oh, yeah, I did. He came over. Yeah, thanks. And he grabbed and he just like not even like, thanks bud or. She said, I thought of that in fucking 20 years. Yeah. Some guy was like, oh, yeah, thanks.

I'm like, you're fucking kidding me, bro? It was not 11. It saved your life. laptop. Like, you know, when you have to clear head, I would have went back for the gun, but I was so afraid. So I took somebody's laptop and get back to him. I fucking hate that guy. Cam Newton, basically. Yeah. Thanks very much for having us. Yeah. Thank you for joining us. And listen to Twisted History. Download Twisted History. What's this week about? This week is military operations. So all military operations. Operation Wrath of God. Operation Griffin, Operation

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recommend it yeah they're the best i uh i live right by them so it's just like they're the most welcoming family and for them to come and tell that story's awesome i know they told a lot but the fact that every time they're willing to tell it uh they sell it uh they tell it with such authenticity it's it's amazing yep sure is um big tea you have any thoughts to to take us home on this big tea wednesday just just more life major key you know yep more life major key uh what was that other one like we made it god did god did we the best forever we the best forever global fuck al Qaeda good point billy fuck al Qaeda amen I agree with that We the best forever.

We're an anti-Al Qaeda podcast. What about ISIS? Fuck ISIS. I thought you said that you were watching ISIS videos really today. No, to figure out if you could burn passports. Okay, it was for research. Yeah. It's like when Peter Frampton said that he was looking at child pornography to research it.

Jesus Christ. I mean, he did say that. And he got away with it. Who is that? He's the guy from the who, the band. He got in trouble over in England for accessing child porn. born and they're like hey why do you have this and he was like i'm doing research and then the english parliament was like uh or the whatever the judicial branch was they were like yeah you're

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