Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Arian Likes Football Again (ft. Dan Patrick)

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

On today's episode the guys talk all things from football. Plus we talk to broadcaster, Dan Patrick about his new book, The Occasionally Accurate Annals of Football: The NFL's Greatest Players, Plays, Scandals, and Screw-Ups (Plus Stuff We Totally Made Up). Dan tells us a great Stuart Scott story, plus gives his backstory and how he ended up in sports broadcastingYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon music. That he knocked me on my ass. So I respected it, you know, even as he's dying, he's still competing. And I was like, yep, he did. He undercut me. But I, you know, and I hear I'm telling PR at ESPN. Yeah, but I scored.

I scored on it. Like, who gets, shut up, you know? What am I doing? All right. This is going to be a good one. We've got Arian, he's back into watching football. So we're going to get some football takes from him. Billy gives us a completely 100% accurate preview of Bill's Jets,

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The New York Jets finish the sentence, Billy. This is coming out on Tuesday. The New York Jets have just blanked to the Buffalo Bills. They've just beat the Buffalo Bills. They're 1 and 0 and they've shown up. They've shown up. The AFC East will never be the same. Ever.

At least for the next two years, well, and Roger's there. And then it will be handed to Zach Wilson, who will know how to drive at that point, and we will have a dynasty like never before seen. Never before seen. Okay. I love it. United States.

We're definitely going to clip that if Billy's wrong. And if he's right, we're going to act like it never happened. Okay. I think Roger, I think Josh Allen's going to get his ass beat, like handed to him, like the shit beat out of him. And he's going to be like shook as fuck. and the bill's offense won't be able to put a drive together what a analysis keep going yeah keep going give me more yeah no no like josh allen's going to get his ass whooped and he's going to be walking out they're like holy shit like what's going on like i can't play my game

i'm not the baddest motherfucker out there i've been punched in the mouth and now i have no plan he's going to be like israel out of sanya but the jet's defense is sean strickland just get his ass whooped and have no idea what to do hang in there and And then hopefully, if Aaron Rogers and all the hype is true, if he has a day, if he operates as we think he is, if nothing crazy happens, like someone roofies him before the game, he's going to throw a couple touchdowns. We're going to see an electric offense. And if it all goes to plan, New York wins. Jets win. I really want this to be another 40 to nothing game.

I know. Yeah, boy, hey, yo, I don't even care. But now I want the Jets to lose, just for the- Nope. Just for the lulls. I'm with you, Aaron. I'm going to have to lay a nuclear missile on the Buffalo bills tonight. If Buffalo wins, I will eat Buffalo wings every day for the rest of the week. Oh, no.

That sounds awful, Billy. You know what? I will too. I'll do that too. I'll match and double. I'll do it for two weeks. And also if Buffalo loses, I'll also do that. I was just going to say, I'll do it if they win or lose.

There you go. So you always want to eat wings for two weeks straight? it's actually really healthy if you only eat wings I don't think so you'll drop up ice guarantee you if you only eat buffalo wings with no other types of dressing or like sauce you'll lose weight oh okay well yeah you're eating chicken then okay no that's not buffalo wings

chicken ain't buffalo wing no no I'm saying what Billy's describing is in buffalo wings you're talking about just chicken wings that are baked and there's no sauce or season no no there's sauce buffalo sauce is on them but you can't like put like sweet just say no sauce i said no no other sauce buffalo sauce is okay because there's zero carbs i don't know about this if you eat nothing but buffalo wings for a week straight you're saying you'll lose weight yes you'll your body will start burning fat because it doesn't have any carbs i don't know about this i'll take this bet doesn't buffalo sauce have a ton of butter in it Let's do this.

That's not carbs. Let's do this. Let's do this. I'll take this bet. I don't know. I don't know the answer to this question, right? But I'm willing to, let's create the hypothesis. You're saying you're going to lose what.

You're going to do this for a week, though? If Buffalo wins. Only if Buffalo win. Okay. Well, shit, Big T, you're going to do it anyway, right? I don't know. Maybe. Okay.

Well, then everybody just fizzled out. Then fuck it. Never mind. I'll do it. I mean, Billy's the one, Billie's the one hypothesized. that's he should do it i'll do it you got to do this here's here's what you do you get on a scale today you don't scale today at the as soon as we get off this you get on a scale you take a picture

of you on a scale but naked i don't want to see i just want to see your feet i don't want to see anything else yep but naked on scale i got bloody the feet and every day sure man and every day i want i want a video of your meals i want three meals a day i have them how many I only you two. Okay, it's fine. Lunch wings, dinner wings, and I want you to do this for a week, and I want to see, I want to see the gains or losses. I want to see what happens.

Does it have to be buffalo or could I, like, eat rotissary? No, that's a completely different thing. Okay, no, but like, you know, I'm going to get bored with green beans and carrots. Like, no, brother. I'm going to do the buffalo wings, but like. Buffalo wings? Yeah. Buffalo is for a week straight.

Bill, you can put, you can put varying sauces on them. That's what I'm asking. Yes, you can switch up the sauces. As long as there's zero carbs, yeah. But they have to be fried buffalo wings or baked buffalo wings, but preferably fried. You can put whatever sauce that you want on them, but you have to eat at least like, I'd say every other day, you have to have at least one set of true buffalo wings with the red sauce. Yeah.

Or even once a day. Or once a day, yeah. But if you do that seven days. Yeah. okay will you do that billy starting now uh today friday so four days yeah so it's not a week i'll wait i said to the rest of the week that's what i said all right so friday i bet i'll lose weight by friday okay you have to keep you have to keep a vlog of this though yeah i need i need to see every meal yeah i will do i will do it to do every

every day every mills i want to see it on the phone all right the buffalo billy challenge i will Yeah, the Buffalo Billy Chowd, perfect. Yeah. Blog it and TikTok it. Yeah. And say like I, I, Billy football will be eating Buffalo wings for every meal to prove that Buffalo wings are a superfood and that they will make you lose weight. Right.

And I'm doing this notwithstanding. If the Jets win, I'm still doing this. Yeah. Yes. Perfect. If this is true, I mean, this could go crazy viral. This is, this could be a breakthrough for a lot of people. I literally prove this back in 2017.

I might become the most healthy. man on earth if this is the case I'm going to be low energy though I can drink whatever I want right? Yeah hopefully it's just water man that's gonna be antithetical to your goal I know I know but like I'm just I'm thinking because like free workout like I need a little sugar

because you can drink whatever you want yeah so man get your pre workout in get your creatina whatever you got to do man yeah I needed this this would be dope you needed to eat buffalo wings for a week I know I needed a cut you know okay I mean I'm running around at like 2 37 like I'm like in my playing weight but it's not the same type of weight you can bang with me right now billy okay yeah dude we said same weight class heavy way oh just early December uh rough and rowdy just just three one minute rounds just a little sparring billy I would beat the dogs you that even

dude it would be dope I want that I want that so bad would be dope right none of y'all gonna gas me to what Billy's ass in a boxer race for no amount of money money no you wouldn't whip my ass though that's that's Billy I would be pleasantly surprised how much money did how much money did Jose Canseco get Billy I think he made around like four million dollars ain't no fucking way

180 seconds okay I tell myself no amount of money now you try to tell me I can beat your ass in a ring and get four ms you could also be embarrassed like him that's not going to happen Billy we both look you know Strickland beat Adasania with a one in a two

I will pose a Jose Casaco ass too I'm not going to let you knock me out but it's not going to happen but anyway I you would I probably no one probably get knocked out at a lot no the amounts less than four million we kind of talk about it but how the fuck did you let that man get four million dollars and you didn't get nowhere near that look dude I had zero I had zero you know sometimes I don't no comment well here's a deal here's a deal If Billy just fights in a boxing match against nobody, then it's like, yeah, people will tune in and watch Billy fight. People are interested. People pray on Billy's downfall. A lot of haters will tune in to hope he gets his ass kicked. Some people will tune in because they're big fans of Billy. Some people tune in just because it's a wild scene. But when you combine him with Jose Canseco, then it becomes a much bigger story than just Billy against a random person. If it's Billy against Aaron Foster, I feel like that's also a pretty big story. I don't know if it would get up to the million dollar range because Jose Canseco Sakeu is like a fucking, you know, he's well known for being a lunatic weirdo.

But with Arian, I bet we could guarantee you at least $500,000, Aaron. Yeah, I'm not going to, I'm not going to gas me up for this. But dude, it's a hundred and eighty seconds, dude. It's the, it's the, it's like the easiest work. I'm not going to box you for money, dog. Like, what do we talk? I'm not going to do it, man. What are we talking about?

No, I'm not boxing Billy, man. Why are we fighting Billy? I'm already got his fans on my bumper every fucking episode I'm not boxing Billy I got no beef with Billy in real life yo You know what

It sounds like you got beef with me though No no I just want to I just want a paycheck dude I just want a paycheck an excuse to work out And get to killer shape How do I just go from eating wings for a week To boxing Billy for half a million dollars That's just crazy Billy's just always he is looking for a paycheck

By the way in the future If Billy can get pregnant If Billy could get pregnant, he would trap so many people into child support. You're saying men can't get pregnant? I'm saying Billy can't. I don't know that. Oh, yeah? You want to make a Buffalo Billy baby bet?

I'll take that bet that you can't get pregnant. All right. I'll take that bit there. I think where you think about Big T is that if a woman transitions to being a male, they still have their internal ovary. Anyone can get pregnant. And so then biologically speaking, anyone can get pregnant.

There's womb transplants that's on the horizon. I think they've been done. Just they're not commercially available. Yeah, but then you have, I don't know. That's above my pay grade. I don't know. I don't know nor care enough about it, man. Call yourself what you want.

I'll address you as such. I don't care. Live your life. That's what I say. Live your life, man. All right. So let's talk, Aaron. You watched football this weekend

I did You're back in watching football I'm very proud of you I want to say that man You suck me in a little pause You got me watching football a little bit But And I enjoyed myself this week

And I did I didn't do shit I just watched football Cook hung out with my kids kicked it man I had a good time watching football Would you watch Uh let's see

Yesterday I watched I watched the Texans versus who they play Baltimore Ravens Yeah I watched that game. I watched a little bit of the Chicago Green Bay game. And then I watched the Dallas Giants game.

They got dumped. And I also watched the Eagles and Patriots. Patriots. Yeah. So I was watching football. I was a football guy yesterday for show. What do you think about the Texans? Actually, I was really impressed with CJ Shrout.

Is it CJ? Yep. Yeah. I was really impressed with how he. he kind of like managed the game um very solid very solid quarterback i think i think he's going to be very good for them um i think he need oh and um the receiver woods i forget his name number two he he he yeah he might be yeah it might be robert woods um he which i think his dad and my dad went to high school together actually um but anyway uh he had he had

a really solid game too, but more impressed me more than anything, which I knew, because you know, I played with Miko. Miko Ryan, he's the head coach, Houston now. They, their defense looks really solid, man. It's not like perfect, but from the game that I saw them last year, it's a night and day difference. The attitude is different. I don't know that this is a playoff team, but I think Miko is starting to steer the ship in the correct direction. They definitely need a running game no disrespect to I think he's got Damian Pierce right now

Pierce is good I think You know I think he's a good back I just think that Having a young quarterback That I don't think they have a receiver That can stretch the field like that From what I saw I don't know I didn't watch a lot of film

I just watched the game And so I think you gotta be able to stretch the field To get to open up that box There wasn't a lot of running lane There for him It was tough sled in the day But I think they have a side of the team I don't know like I said

I don't know if they're a playoff team but I think they'll shock some people and win some games that I'm supposed to this year. I like that you're a Stroud boy too. How do you call me a boy, but I definitely like the way he plays the game. No, we're Straub Boys. Stand back and stand by.

But what did you think of what do you think of C.J. Stroud's ability with the pressure? To me, that was the first time I think he's seen that type of pressure since like pre-high school. Because think about it, he had not that.

that crazy pressure at Ohio State. His high school team was probably, you know, like undefeated. Like in St. actually, I got to check that out. But you could just tell us he's never played pretty well against the best defense in the country. No, but his protection, that was probably the worst O line he's ever played with in the NFL. Like comparatively. Yeah, no, like comparatively skill wise.

Like he was getting eaten up the whole game. Um, I don't think that, again, I don't think it was. was necessarily the old lines for i mean there's a lot of different things that go on the past protection but like for one i think they didn't have i don't think their game plan was like let's hit him deep i don't think that was their game plan was like let's pick apart the zone um and let's try to let's try to um went on some man routes um because Baltimore will run a lot of man so i i don't i didn't necessarily see it like that i don't i don't think he did a very good job like for this is rookie in his first NFL game managed the game

game well didn't make any mistakes that cost you team that's the biggest thing like he didn't look panicked i thought he i thought he managed the game well like i said i just think it was a very good defense i think i think it's dan quinn is the defense coordinator if i'm not mistaken he always had his his mentality is like ball hawking like dudes coming punching balls out like that just swam it like that's that's kind of dan quince style um and uh i think i think he i think he played well man i don't think the score is indicative of how the game was played, honestly. Like I said, I think, you know, if you're a Houston fan, I think you're happy with I think you're happy with what he has to bring to the table. Dan Quinn, he's the coordinator

for the Cowboys. Oh, well, then that's what I was saw then. Okay, so I mixed my, I went, who's the Baltimore court? That would be Mike McDonald. Okay. I have no idea what his style is, but for, but for what I saw, I didn't see any, like, major mistakes from him. I think that was the main thing that i took away from him that's why that is the dallas game that i saw what it was like big ball hawking yeah right i don't think uh he's like other ohio state quarterbacks everyone like everyone's been saying that like oh there's never been successful oh i'll say quarterback in the recent future i i think he definitely breaks that mold there's been no successful ohio state quarterback just like he feels was good last year

that's this that's a good week one what do you defy success Full eyes. Like, I don't think that. I don't think that. Top 10 in the NFL. I mean, Billy's,

it's objectively correct. Like Ohio State hasn't had good quarter. The best Ohio State quarterback is Joe Burrow. And he didn't know at Ohio State. He was there for like a year or two. Like a lot of guys, a lot of guys have great success at Ohio State and then they go to the NFL and they're not insane. That's what the critics are saying.

But I don't think CJ Stroud is going to. be one of these guys. I think he, he actually, like, buys mobility. And I watched every single throw from his debut this morning. And I wrote a write-up, one-stop click for all your rookie starting quarterback week one needs. Check it out on the blog. And he was under a lot of pressure and dealt with, you know, a very tough Ravens pass rush. But I think he did make some absolute dimes. And he's much more accurate quarterback than people think. Give him credit for. I guess I've just given this no thought before and I'm looking like the most notable Ohio State quarterbacks and they're all like they have all have like really good college careers

and then they kind of fizzed out in the league Troy Smith I remember Troy Smith bad he had a long career though it's a backup he ended up being a backup for a while yeah like Braxton Miller Braxton Miller was like the de facto well yeah he didn't even end up playing quarterback right but but like in my brain same he had one year where it looked like he might be good yeah and then he never on the j t barrett yeah bad yeah and then uh real prior he ended up being a receiver too cardale jackins rip he died yeah how did he died i wasn't gonna speak ill of the the disease i he didn't get a chance but like he's another guy with a great college career

he got hit by car oh that's right that's right that's right He was actually, that's a really, did you hear what came out recently? This is a really sad story. Apparently he was getting drugged and robbed. So, wow. Yeah, it wasn't just a whack. It was a very unfortunate story. Jesus.

Who is the guy with the huge arm? Craig Crenzel. Man, these are some throwback names, man. Jesus. Yeah, I had never given this any thought that, well, House State. quarterbacks don't damn well but i don't think i think c j schj stroud breaks that uh i mean just feels he just had like a thousand yards rushing brer what what is successful i mean that's a very successful it's what second jill's a very hot button i would say NFL quarterback as to

whether he's good or not he was i thought he was very good last he has had no supporting whatsoever, really. I talked about it a little bit on part of my take yesterday, but I want to get your guys feedback on this. With a running quarterback, if you have like a very dynamic playmaking, athletic quarterback, it always tends to follow the same pattern, which is they'll have some success early

and they're able to run around, break the pocket, make plays downfield if they keep their eyes down there, they'll make outstanding runs. And then as they kind of solidify into like, this dude can play, then they try to like shrink the playbook a little bit and say all right you were very good but we want to make sure that you stay healthy we want you to progress as a pocket passer and then they tell them okay we're gonna we're gonna install an offense that's more about getting the ball down field and less about you using your legs so that we can we can extend your career and then that happens and then the quarterback's not nearly as good because they're not using their legs and then eventually the offense will be like you know what fuck it let's just let them run the ball again then he gets good again. I think that's what we're seeing with Justin Fields.

Yeah. Anthony Richardson is a guy who really looked good for a week one rookie. Yeah. And I think he follows the same mold. But I think he's actually built more to run. Like he has some amazing passes, but I think he's more durable than Justin Fields. I think Justin Fields in the way they're playing them.

I think the game is changing, right? Well, I know the game is changing. right. So like I think what you're thinking about PFT is like the running quarterbacks we grew up watching, right? The Mike Vicks, the Randall Cunningham's, the Donovan McNaz. I don't think those rules apply to this generation anymore because the actual rules have changed, right? You're not allowed to hit the quarterback like you were back then anymore. And so I think what you're going to see is longevity for these running quarterbacks in an entirely different way than when our generation, when you can have. I was talking about this to one of my dudes who's, as a YouTube channel, great, that's their great content. And he was doing a video about the running back position and how it's like getting devalued and all this.

And one of the points that I was making to him was like that the game is changing, right? And it's not that the game is evolving. It's that they're changing the rules in a way that makes it so the quarterback is the marquee position. And so we have to treat him as such so he gets treated differently. but also that's changing everything else. So it's also changing how receivers look. Like Tyreek Hill as a number one is wild to me growing up in the football era that I grew up in

because you had to worry about going across the middle, right? Because you wouldn't get knocked, but they don't have to worry about that anymore. So now receivers are looking more small and more speed because they don't have to take those hits anymore. You don't have to be long and big body anymore. And so the entire game is changing. And so I think because of the rule of implementation, you're going to see the longevity of these running quarterbacks last a little longer

because they ain't allowed to get hit like that anymore. I remember when Mike Vic used to get hit versus Peyton Manning, right? They threw flags at different rates because, well, he's a runner outside of the pocket. Now they're treating all quarterbacks like Peyton Manning. And so whereas before I was like they treated pocket passers different than they did runners. And so but now they're treating all quarterbacks like you just can't touch him. just can't touch them and so they have they have the slide button you know what I mean you can slide it any time and so it's just a different it's just a different error's a different league so I think

to your point I just think it's going to change and so they're going to have more longevity and just be better for longer now I hope you're right I really do I think that offensive coordinators though they they still have the mindset of like we got to protect this guy and we can we can turn them into like a passer like in the traditional sense where you don't have to be running around a lot And I feel like with Justin Fields, if you try to make him just a pocket passer, you're getting rid of all the good stuff that makes him awesome to begin with. And the game plan that they had yesterday was just, it was so fucking boring. He was like, he's not great at just taking a three-step drop and then, you know,

going through one or two progressions yet. He needs to get out in space because he's the best guy in the league right now at running with a football in his hands. So let him do that. Yeah, he's really done. On top of that, like, I notice how it was. Salas Boke to all y'all, y'all. But, like, it's the truth.

It's crazy. Like, 17 black quarterbacks started yesterday in the national football league. That's crazy. And so, like, it shows you kind of how and where the league is going. And it's coming from the college game where it's like, we need mobile quarterbacks. Mobile quarterbacks is where the game is moving to. And so, like, the league is changing, man. It's just, wow.

It's not the game I grew up. No. Yeah. I mean, even, like, the really good pastors. there you have to be able to move around a little bit you don't see too many of like Peyton Manning was kind of rare where he was able to like manipulate the pocket a little bit and slide back and forth but especially in the back half of his career he was just like a statue like he but he was still good he was still really good but most quarterbacks that are coming up

through college you have to be able to like at least be a threat keep the defense honest with your legs yeah and it changes everything too which is also why like I was noticing yesterday like um especially in the college game the college game what i noticed watching this weekend was god there's just like are no eight man boxes anymore you're saying seven eight man it's all six five man boxes and it's just like if you if you remember i studied this if you remember barry sanders 2000 yard season barry sanders 2000 year's season um his first two games. I think he had like 50 yards each game, something like that in his first two games. And then he just went on a tear. And it's because they realized they kept stacking a box. So they had to spread

the field a little bit more. And they opened it up. And they, and they saw a lot of six and seven man boxes. And they let him get busy. And so that's what you're seeing in the college level right now. You don't see, I didn't see one fullback this entire, the entire college. I didn't see a fullback at all. And so the game has just changed so much that the running backs now, like if you look at Colorado, like I was looking at Colorado, like they would highly benefit from somebody who would tote the rock, like a big back, but they just have these small little scat backs because that's how they recruit. That's, that's where the game is going. It's not, they don't have like that bell cow back is like disappearing. They just every, they want everybody small scat little track runners. That's what they want. Iowa still has a fullback their fullback's like 6-5-260 pounds it's awesome which if it tells you anything about

having an offense that uses a fullback their offensive coordinator is on a points count this year that he has to reach to not get fired he's at a performance improvement plan yeah they have to average 25 points a game for him to not get fired and so far they've scored 24 and 20 I think

oh that's tough so he has to get we should tally it after after every game to see where my guy is that They got to get to $3.25. They're going to play like Iowa, like some small school and like score 100 points, which actually would be sick. I mean, their first game was against, I believe, Utah State. So, and they only didn't get, they didn't even get there.

Let's look at their schedule and see who the shit pump will be. That one came after the Colorado game. They played Iowa State. So it was Iowa versus Iowa State, which is like what Aaron is describing right now also is just like the entire college football landscape has become the Big 12. the Big 12 they started to spread everything out and then defense it Big 12 got a lot of shit because of their defense

I think that was the Pac 10 that started that Yeah You think so? Pack 12 Yeah It was a pack 10 when it started Like yeah Like that's where Deshawn Jackson came from

Like it was our era where it started And it was like right after us Because we still had full backs And we still run an affirmation Like in then right after us That's when everything started like really spread Like the Reggie Bush era Like that they started

Oregon Yeah Oregon, yep. I may have, in looking at this Iowa thing, I may have inadvertently found my favorite pick for week three. Iowa is a 29 point favorite over Western Michigan. Yeah, hammer, hammer. They have scored 24 and 20 in their two games this season.

What's the over under? The total is, that's the last time they can beat up on a team. 43. Okay, yeah, I like it, Big T. We're taking the over. Yeah. You're taking the over? We should.

Oh, I was going to say, I was going to say the Western Michigan. No, Big T, that's when the offensive coordinator is going to get his average up. That's the last unranked, that's the last non-big. If Western Michigan can score seven points, you're telling me Iowa is going to score more than 35? What Billy are saying is that this is the opportunity for Ference to raise his points per game. Like, he's going to keep the starters in and go for fucking blow. in the fourth quarter. That could be true. But I mean, it's not like he wasn't trying against Utah State. No, but this is, yeah, that's a good point. But I feel like this is an opportunity. Yeah.

No, but like that was, he was messing around. But now he's like thinking he's looking at his schedule. He's like, Iowa, Penn State, Michigan State, Purdue, Wisconsin. Like, he doesn't have any other easy wins. So he's going to take this time to put up at least 40 so he can like have a couple stinkers. I like it. The 29, though, you're outside of four touchdowns. Dude, this isn't rational football. This guy's coaching for his job. Hey, but he can,

you know the funny thing is he can like, he can rationalize it to like his coaching staff too. Like, no, my guys need reps. We need game reps. And we need the starters and I need my quarterback in there. I need to my guys need reps. He can rationalize the shit out of that. Yes. Billy's right on this. We should do. I think so.

First macrodosing play. We'll see if we can get a boosted in the Barcelona sports book, probably not. Now that I think about it, I got a hundred on. I don't actually work with that company anymore. I got a hundred on the over. No, I actually, I also, you said over.

I don't hate under either because Iowa's defense is very good. So let's say they can hold Western Michigan scoreless. They are not scoring 43 points. I think I'm going to take Iowa. I'm going to take Iowa minus 20. I will put a bet out. The Ference with benefits. How about that?

and this is a good play. This is a smart play because Aryan's right, Billy's right. You can rationalize this if you're a coordinator and you can ensure that you get a few like a little bonus, some bonus action at the end of the game so that you can keep your job.

He's got to feed his family. Let's have a feed his dad. Buffalo wings bet. Luser has to do another week of just Buffalo wings. I'm just going to do Buffalo wings regardless. So Western Michigan lost 48 to 7 to Syracuse. this past week. So they might not score against Iowa's defense.

That's why I'm saying maybe not take the over, but take Iowa. Yeah. I like the over. Wait, that means they're going to score over 30, what, 35 it was? 43. So I like the under. Combined team totaled. So it's Iowa's offense as well as.

I'm taking over. I'm willing to bet the barn on that one. I'm taking it over. Aaron from the first ever, Aaron Foster, bet the barn. That's facts. Facts, bet the barn. Hey, if you got it, if you got, don't bet the rent money ever. But if you got it, pretty more Iowa.

Within your means as a form of entertainment, even though we don't have to say that anymore, but we kind of do for a little bit. But I still kind of agree with that. Yes. No, it's a good. Never gamble money, not rent money. Never gamble the rent money, man. I've been at too many blackjack tables with dudes pulling their hair out,

waiting on what I'm about to do. And I'm just having a drink playing cars. I'm like, bro, what you want me to do, right here or not? because I'm not in a fucking item. Billy, do what's more in your personal budget, your beer money or your rent money? What? It's got to be close.

It's got to be close. I actually, speaking of beer money, I have figured out the greatest economic consumer price index statistic that is just the best. This will be good. So the price, so you can tell how expensive the cost of

living is in a city by the domestic light beer price. So, for example, New York City is about $7 to $8 domestic light beer. So the price of a core is light in each city, I think is the best way to tell how expensive the city is. It's the most, it's the best to wrap your head around. It's like Hoboken is a $4 or $5 beer city. Manhattan is a $7 or $8 city, someplace like Houston. Houston is another $4 to $5 city and Boston's $4 to $5 and Chicago is probably $4 to $5, but like L.A. is $8 to $9.

So you're saying that things cost more money and expensive places to live? Right. But the best way you can determine that is the cost of a domestic light beer. So let's say you're pulling in, pull into a restaurant first time you're there, you can like tell how much rent is by the cost of a beer. I don't hate that, Billy. Out of all the things you've said, that's not the dumbest. That's how I determine how expensive the city is. Let's do the Tennessee Minute, because I'm sure that you've got some Tennessee takes to get off here. I don't really have takes.

They played poorly. They beat Austin P and FCS team 30 to 13 on Saturday. Now it's Florida Week, so. Bazooka Joe, how are we feeling? Yeah. I love Joe. he's a great guy and a very talented football player

and I like him a lot and I really hope that on Saturday we see some more Orange Bowl Joe than Austin P. Joe. What do you think was wrong with him? He looked very not confident after he missed a few throws

like just throwing short it. He used to be overthrow Joe, now he's underthrow, Joe, there are three yards in front of guys. There were some that should have been caught that were not necessarily his fault. But, you know, big game this week. We need to tighten things up. Is it, though, a big game? Yes.

Because Florida, like, they sit the bed against Utah. They look hard. No, no, no, no. You can't talk like this right now because they're, like, last year, Florida sucked last year, and they played their best game of the season against us. And it's in Gainesville, where we have not. one since 2003 before Aryan played there

and Aryan's old as dirt like it's, this is always a tough game. I'm going to get it off. I'm going to let me get it off. Yeah, you can't be talking about I watched a little bit of the Utah Florida game. They look horrible,

bro. Florida does suck. I don't disagree with you. If Tennessee doesn't beat Florida by 15 plus, I would be shocked. Again, this is Florida does suck That is true But one, we didn't look awesome

This past week And two, they always find a way It does not matter how good the teams are They will play their best game of the season This is I guarantee It's hard to get up for Austin P though you know what I'm saying Like it's hard to get up for like a college

Where you like that's a college You know what I'm saying No disrespect to Austin P people out there But it's like You're watching the game film You're like, man, we're looking back. It just is with it. That's just from being an athlete, it's really hard.

And I've always been like this as an athlete. I play better against better competition. I've always been like that. Like when I'm the other side of the line and I got dogs over there, something about that gets me going. But when I'm supposed to win, I never really have just been the greatest that like just dominating somebody I'm supposed to dominate.

Because it's just like, well, yeah. I agree. But like, and I was saying that throughout the game, like obviously Florida next week, this is a spot where you would expect them to maybe overlook it a little bit. But they should be good enough to do that also and still win the game easily. And it was not, they really, I didn't watch, but it was like 30 to 30 to 13 and Austin P got stuffed at the goal line in the last minute. It should have been 30 to 20. Like it was it was not a, was it spread? 45.

Did Joe Milton throw it really far yet? He did have a, in the first game, he had like a 70-yard pass that was on the money that a guy dropped. That should have been 80-yard touchdown. That was such a good throw. It was perfect. I'm just waiting. I couldn't watch the game. I was watching Texas, Alabama.

We'll watch that game too. That game was sick. Yeah. Texas looks really good, though. Yeah. I think Texas will be in the in the playoff this year. Oh, that's easy. That's easy money.

That quarterback who found Jesus yours. Yeah. Just because he cut his mullet. Does that mean he found? Wait, is that true? I haven't heard this. Well, that's what they were harbored on that. He went clean cut.

During the telecast, they were like, he renewed his faith. And it just has changed every aspect of his life. And they talked about it throughout. And then afterwards, he was like, you know, all glory to God. And, you know, if it wasn't for God, and I was like, okay. I did see that. I did see that. I didn't have sound for most things.

that's such a smart move on his part because he's got he's got arch manning like nipping at his heels and and like the texas alum are going to be like when are we going to see arch when are we going to see arch and by becoming like a big god guy it makes it way way harder it's like well he's he's such a good kid you know such a good kid it's so funny because if he had if he had played like shit against alabama they none of that would have gotten brought up about like what a great job he's done at all cleaning up they want to give a shit about it's about go out there and score some fucking points, buddy. Well, I mean, the time to pull out finding God is if you were doing poorly.

Yeah. Like, no, he doesn't. No, he doubled down because he did it before the season. So he laid the groundwork. You know what I'm saying? So, like, he found God before the season. So that if he did bad, hey, you know, I'm a God guy now. You know why he's, he's been doing the God guy?

You know what his secret is? His arm strength isn't exactly there. His deep. No, seriously. I know this sounds like what's he hiding his arms kind of weak he threw two pretty nasty deep touchdowns on Saturday that was a knock against him in week one the first week yeah week one there there were a lot of people if like I still pay attention to Austin sports radio local sports radio there were a lot of people that

were talking about either Arch Manning or Malik Murphy who is a fucking monster that's I think he's second on the depth chart behind Quinn Ewers yeah and there are a lot of people being like Quinn can't throw the ball downfield his downfield passes are dog shit right now yeah and then he went up there against Alabama and he looked great throwing the ball down the field yeah so that was his one knock but even in his spring game

there was a little bit of that maybe he probably did some footwork drills like driving the ball down field drills all week because you know it became more apparent but I think that's that's where people were knocking him in a who's the second string you

said I'm wearing his name right now Yeah, he's got a rocket He's got a cannon arm He's like Joe Milton-esque Where he's probably gonna transfer I would imagine I would probably transfer this this offseason I really like a place where you can start

I really like buddy from Bama Like what's the quarterback name Jaila Milrow? Yeah I don't fucking can play man I was I was impressed with him He made you know a couple A couple of bad breaks here and there

Bamma always gonna have a good squad Along saving that Cause they can recruit well But yeah Yeah Joe Milrow That's a spicy take, Aaron. Jalen Milrow, I think most people looked at that game and was like,

this guy's maybe the problem. No. Hell what? He was better than most people were giving him credit for. Like, he's not terrible, but he's, I mean, they went from to Jalen Hertz to Tua to Mac Jones. So to go from that and now have Milro, like, he's not what they've had, but he's fine. Your bar's too high. Like, you bars too high.

For Bamma quarterbacks. He is a solid quarterback. guy you can win with him you absolutely win it oh and then to Bryce Young effort Bryce Young what uh what year is he

he is a junior I want to say I was gonna say if he was like young and he just developed his arm like he could be he could throw though he could make it

the NFL watch a different game man got a he got a great arm I don't say great he's a very accurate in a strong arm a little inaccurate that's that's

I mean, that could be developed. It's early, you know what I'm saying? It's early. Like, yeah, like, it's, it's the game two that you have to give that shit time to develop. See, that's the problem with these, with this win for me microwave now shits. Like, they don't, football don't work like that. It had you develop, you have to develop chemistry with your team, route running. That's why I, like, it takes, it takes time to develop these things.

I would be willing to bet by the end of the season. He's, he's having a great season. I disagree with. that. I don't think you just read with what? That with the in-season progression, there's not that many guys that like it's either going into the season you either have it or you don't when it comes like accuracy. But with some of his throws, I mean, it's not all timing, it's placement.

I've only saw that game. So I don't know enough about him. But from what I saw, it just looked like, it looked like rust. It looked like it looked like he can make the throw it's not that he can't make it he has an arm like he can has an arm I still think like for example I think Quinn yours is still going to have problem with the deep ball in the rest of the season

he may have been on for Bama and it was all clicking but it's going to come up again I just haven't thought too many deep balls there was a lot of overroutes and stuff like that yeah they did a couple really nice deep ones there was a touchdown to save your word that was probably 40 yards or so that was a really nice ball that I remember

That was the number I know you're talking about Yeah He's either one or forward He was like wide open He beat him Yeah Yeah Texas is very good

Texan Florida State Are the two Best teams I've seen so far Can you read me Texas's schedule For the next couple weeks here Yeah one second It's the first time

This podcast has just been All football Yeah I know Football I'm excited I'm excited that you Are excited about football It was

It was a good weekend Man You know A lot going on But it took me back to my roots Texas goes Wyoming at at Baylor when Kansas when Oklahoma uh always interesting at red river that's out that's the next game watching BYU Kansas State where I'll play nobody bro what Kansas State's good and Oklahoma's okay um no BYUu's at home

Kansas State at home at TCU at Iowa State Texas Tech TCU could be you could difficult. I mean, they're going undefeated. Texas is a really good. This is their last year, not in the SEC, right? Correct. So, yeah, this is their time to win. Yeah, they might go undefeat this year.

It would be a pretty funny, like, fuck you to the Big 12 that, like, in the year that their commissioner before the season, he was speaking at that Texas Tech booster meeting, and he was like basically said, I want Texas Tech to beat Texas. And, like, they're just going to be the best team in the country. There might be. And win the Big 12th? I put a future on Texas at halftime of this game against Alabama. To win the title?

To win the national title. What was that? I'll tell you, let me look it up. I just felt, I felt very strong emotions about Texas. I looked this morning at parlaying Georgia, Texas, and Florida State to make the playoff, but it was only like plus 550. It wasn't good enough. I'm pulling it up right now.

Speaking of odds, did anyone see Sean Strickley? beat Israel-A-Sania? Plus 1,200 is what I got Texas at. I don't hate that. Yeah. I did not watch it. I saw the recap and I saw some of the highlights. Sean Strickland was plus 600 and he walked down Israel-A-Sahnia and just beat him with a 1 and a 2.

Yeah, Adasania, from what I saw, and maybe, Billy, you know, you watch the fight so you can maybe educate me. It looked like Adisnani didn't really want to be in a fight. He got punched in the first round. he got caught in the first round he was feeling all loosey goosey like coming out cocky he's the champ and he came in the first round got caught bad with a hard right and got put down and he was tucked tail the rest of the fight Sean Strickland was plus 600 like one of the biggest upsets since holly home beat ronda rousey and he just it was he fought him like a man it was like insane but uh Texas now plus 1,000 so it looks like

I'm sharp. Looks like I moved the line a little bit. Nice. In my bed. So I want one more thing we got to talk about. And then we'll head out for the day. But this is more along the lines of traditional macrodosing topic. It's brought to you by track phone.

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Check it out. All right. So some big news came out on Saturday. I don't know if you guys were in tune with the national news, but some big news regarding the John F. Kennedy assassination on Saturday. I'm too busy watching football. Lace me. Yeah.

Look at you. Look at you. Big jock. Can't stay abreast of world events. Fucking jock. There's more important things in this world than sports are in. All right? That's facts.

You have your bread and circus. I'm going to pay attention to the news. I'm going to see if I can describe this because it's kind of hard to describe but I read, I think every article that came out about this on Saturday. The JFK assassination, the official explanation per the government investigation after the assassination of John F. Kennedy in Dallas was that there was the magic bullet theory, right? So there was a shot that they had contended that entered John F. Kennedy's back came out his neck after like making a turn inside of his body.

They said maybe it deflected off a bone or something. But they said that the shot came through his back, deflected out the front of his neck, then went down and hit the governor of Texas, Governor Connolly, who was in the front seat of the limousine. And then it deflected off of like a bone or something in Connolly and then hit Connolly in the wrist, shattering his wrist. And then they recovered that bullet afterwards. And it was in like pristine condition.

it was like an undamaged bullet and that's the one that they've been saying was on the stretcher that governor connelly was on when they wheeled him into the hospital so they're like oh it must have fallen out of his body and it was just on the stretcher as we were starting to operate on him so they say that that was the first shot and then there was another shot that hit john f kennedy in the back of his head and that's the one that killed him right and the entire premise behind this was that they had to time out how many shots could have been taken in that specific amount of time, lining it up with like the footage of Kennedy reacting to the first shot, Kennedy's head getting hit, and that whole thing. They had to time it out to see if it was physically possible for one shooter to make these shots in quick succession. And with Marine snipers, they figured that it was about, I want to.

say around like two and a half, three seconds was the fastest that it can possibly be done to shoot, uh, recock the rifle or whatever that, you know, you pulled the bolt on the rifle and then re-ame and shoot again. So the secret service agent that was assigned to Jackie Kennedy, who is about 15 feet away from JFK when he got shot, he is, uh, going on the record and saying that he was there at the time and there's, you know, video evidence, picture evidence, obviously of him being there. And, you know, and, you know, video evidence, picture evidence, obviously, of him being there, and that the bullet that they found on Connolly's stretcher was not actually on Connolly's stretcher, but it was put on JFK's stretcher by the Secret Service agent.

He says that as they were getting Jackie, they were pulling her off, John F. Kennedy's body, they were putting the body onto a stretcher, wheeling it into the hospital. The Secret Service agent looked in the back of the limousine, and there was that magic bullet. the almost pristine looking bullet that was in between like a metal part of the car and the fabric of the seat and he saw that there and he's like oh this is probably a piece of evidence I should probably put this with the president or you know just so that nobody else comes by and takes it so he grabbed it from he saw it wedged in there and he takes it and he puts it on the stretcher somewhere along the lines they mix that up and they the people that were in the

hospital reported that that bullet was found on Governor Connolly's stretcher, not JFK's stretcher. Why does that make a difference? Well, since they found it like behind where Kennedy was sitting in the car, it means that the first shot that came in and hit Kennedy in his back shoulder was that bullet was like undercharged and didn't have enough gunpowder in it. And so it hit him didn't go like all the way in and then it fell out into the back of the car. and that's not the same shot that went through the back of his neck

and then went into Governor Connolly's body and that was just that that bullet was shattered into a bunch of different fragments so that means that there's more shots than they originally reported in the Warren Commission meaning there had to be more than one shooter oh my god shit yeah if you believe what this guy says and there's no real reason to doubt it I mean I don't know why he'd make it up after all these years. But his explanation was that he was really fucked up after the shooting

because he saw his boss's head get exploded. And he had PTSD and he just, like, it haunted him for years and years. He kind of went off the grid for a while. And they didn't interview him in the Warren Commission. They didn't really take any statements from him. And by the time he kind of came back to the world and followed up on anything that happened. he uh they'd already taken the record down and it was years and years later that he saw that the bullet that he put on jfk's stretcher was actually misidentified as being taken off gover connolly's

stretcher so he just didn't ever correct it and now he's i think 90 years old and he's like trying to clear up you know some misconceptions about what happened but it raises a whole shitload of other questions if what he's saying is true i think I want to believe the guy, but after recently seeing my boss get shot, I was doing the shooting with a paintball gun. I actually totally misremembered what exactly happened. And I thought that in one instance, I was shooting PFT in my memory, but it was actually Big Cat. So, like, he could have very easily put the bullet on Governor Colonies, Connolly's, Stretcher, thinking it was JFK. and at the time remember JFK's like not very recognizable and everyone's just wearing suits back then

all right however Billy that still doesn't change the underlying premise that he found the bullet behind RFK or JFK in the limo so it was a bullet that fell out of JFK's shoulder not a bullet that he retrieved from like the front shotgun seat true so they're saying that there had to be two shooters but it'd have to be a very similar angle wouldn't it be somebody now it reintroduces the theory that maybe there was another shooter that was in front of jfk because remember how his head goes back yeah yeah so the war commission kind of tried to explain the entire thing away by saying there was this magic bullet um and then they used that as kind of like their bedrock case and didn't really explore that well

like whether or not that shot could come from the front so it means that the shot could have come from the front knocked him back or there could have been another shooter that was up in the depository or underneath in the storm drain that's one that I believe because if you look at the angle it's like directly

on the complete opposite like the same almost trajectory like if you shot a bullet from the storm drain to Oswald like it's almost like a direct trajectory so you can almost get away with the ballistics I don't know there's another theory that it was a

secret service agent that accidentally shot JFK so after the first shots started coming in they take their guns out they were turned fire in the direction that they think the shots are coming from and the fatal shot is actually fired by his own guy have you heard RFK talk about how he thought his father got killed and how he knows it was a secret agent it was a secret service guy or security guy no i haven't heard that he said on the on mike tyson's hot boxing podcast that the guy it wasn't

sir hans sir hans sir hans shot and all six bullets from his revolver were accounted for but the guy who shot him was the security guard saying behind him who spent the rest of his life uh in uh the Caribbean but it I mean it is I don't think we really know what happened I don't think we ever really will because I think the the documents keep getting delayed releases I don't know it does look like so like look at the footage again I mean it looks like it's very simultaneous when the dude gets his hand shot and then Kennedy goes back so it could still be one bullet though. I don't see how definitely more than one bullet

I don't know man I don't know I'm just looking at it I don't know enough about forensics I don't know but interesting shit great find send the article in the group chat I would like to read that I will

I'll drop it in there right now actually drop that shit we also have an interview with Dan Patrick coming up here yep all time Stuart Scott's story oh yeah good to catch up with Dan friend of the program and we will see you guys on Thursday love you guys all right we

welcome on a special guest of macrodosing just talked to Dan last week it's Dan Patrick from the Dan Patrick show he wrote a book the occasionally accurate anals of football the NFL's greatest players annals and screw ups plus stuff we totally made up so it's fake news who wrote a fake news book thank you for joining us Dan I love this shirt you're wearing football guy's shirt. Thank you. I got a hookup. A big cat took care of me. I asked for some swag and he gave me the special discount code and I was able to get something from Barstool. Thank you. You did not share that with the Danettes or anybody else. No, no, no, no. You guys said don't share the 20% discount code and I did not. It's just for me. All right, cool. Where can people

find your book on Amazon? Everywhere. Everywhere that you find books, you can find this fine book. Okay. So make sure to check it out. We'll get into it in a little bit here. Aaron, I want to turn it over to you. I don't know if you, have you met Dan? More than likely, you know, when you go through the wash and stuff like that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we have met and I'm pretty sure. I don't know. It's a lifetime ago. I played ball and did that whole circuit. But how's it going, my brother? I think you were on the show. I don't know if we met in person. But I remember having you on my radio show. Could have been the case. Yeah. I hope I didn't do. disappoint. No, you didn't. No. You were one of the great stories, though. You're one of those where somebody says, oh, keep an eye on this guy. Well, it feels like every draft or every season,

there's a keep an eye on this guy, and you were a keep an eye on this guy, and you didn't disappoint. I appreciate that, man. They kept an eye on me, and I did well. It looks like you were in person on February 1st, 2013. There goes. Look at that. Thank you for the fact check, big tea. No problem. Thank you. That's why anytime I meet somebody, I always say nice to see you just in case I've met them before rather than nice to

be because I've just met so many people and done so much stuff that I don't want to disrespect our meeting, you know? I do that. I'll just say nice to see you again. Even if I haven't seen you, it's just easier to do it that way because people, people come up to me and go, you remember me? I'll go from what? No, I met you at the Super Bowl.

Which one? They'll go, like Houston. And I go, I don't. I remember you. I go, okay, my bad. Yeah, not. I think. Yeah, what you do and what I did is just you meet so many people that, you know what I mean.

But anyway, man, nice to see you, nice to talk to you, man. I wanted to ask you about, you know, your career trajectory. How you kind of got into what you got into? Because to me, that's not from the outsider's perspective, it's not something that you, but it was like, this is what I want to do. it's kind of like maybe you wanted to do something, you kind of fell into it or whatever, but how did you get into what you started in your initial career?

I knew at age 12, this is what I wanted to do. I didn't know how to do it because there was no step-by-step or any tutorial, but I knew that I wanted to be in sports, and I probably thought I was going to be in radio. And I was for a while, and then I couldn't get a job in sports, and I couldn't get a job in TV. and I thought I was just going to do radio, which I do love. That's my first love.

But I was up for a job at a local station in Dayton, Ohio. And I was told by everybody I was getting the job. I was going to be the weekend sports anchor. And news director called me in and said, we're giving this to Ken Kettering. And I'm not even hearing him. I'm thinking that he's saying he's got to tell Ken Kettering, he didn't get the job. I'm like, all right, all right. And he goes, well, you're taking this well.

And then I went, holy shit, I did not get this job. Well, there was a party at a bar, Flanagan's pub in Dayton, Ohio, and we were going to have a celebration. I walk in. People are like, congrats, you know, all the, I said, I didn't get the job. You got the job. Stop dick and her. I said, I didn't get the job. And so it was the most somber celebratory party that I've ever been involved in.

And I drowned my sorrows. And then I had a former girlfriend who was in Atlanta. And she goes, why don't you come down here and see if, go into CNN? They're hiring. This is the early 80s. I go, if I didn't get a job in Dayton, Ohio, I'm not getting a job at CNN. Brought a tape with me. Last day I was there, went in and I got to see the guy who eventually hired me.

And he watched my tape. And he said, when can you start? He said, I'll start in a week. And I worked headlined sports at CNN. And then I was there five years and my contract was running out and I was demanding, not demanding, I was demanding a $10,000 raise and my boss came back at $5,000. So I thought he didn't want me. I called up John Walsh who started SportsCenter. I said, John, do you know who I am?

And he goes, yes. I said, you interested in hire me? He goes, yes. It was a Friday. And he said, when can you come up? And I said, how about Monday? He said, all right, I flew up Monday, and I signed my contract, and then I was doing Sports Center, you know, soon after that, the 11 o'clock Sports Center. So it was kind of crazy. I knew I wanted to get there. I just didn't know. I wrote Bob Lee a letter. And Greg Gumble, a letter saying, hey, could you look at my tape, tell me if I'm any good. And Bob Lee wrote me like a full page review of my tape saying, you're not ready yet. This is five years prior.

He goes, you're not ready yet, but you will be one day. And then fast forward five and a half years later, I'm sitting next to him on a sports center. What kind of criticism did he have for you on your tape? Was it constructive? Yeah, very. Yeah. I mean, I didn't, cosmetically, aesthetically, I didn't look good. Well, I was told later, part of the reason why I didn't get the job as the weekend sportscaster is the other guy was better looking than me.

And I thought, wait, isn't that? the guy who knows sports supposed to get the job? But I was told by some sources close to the news director that Ken Kettering was better looking. And he was at the time. I don't know what he looks like now, but blonde hair, blue eyes, and he was a better looking guy. It was my first real introduction to the cosmetic part of this that was a little bit humbling. You know, when you have acne, your hair is parted down the middle. But PFT, you can relate.

I mean, you know, like we all have those dry spells in our, in our life, right? Yeah, I've not experienced that yet. I think I got my job because I'm so fucking hot. I didn't say hot. I just said good looking. There's a difference in that. I slept my way to the top. It's pretty easy.

My story is vastly different from yours. Okay. Whatever happened with you and Big Cat, that's between you guys. I don't need to know anything about. about that. I'm happy for you. We kiss every year on our birthdays. So his birthday's January 30th. Mine is 31st. So at midnight, we share a little kiss and then passing of the torch. Yeah. Very hot. It's a cute tradition that we have. So did Bob Lee when he was critiquing your film? Was he like, you know what? You're, you're good, but the ass needs a little work.

No, I think he was, um, he just talked about how you had to have camera presence a little bit more. I ad-libbed five minutes of sports. I didn't have a prompter. And I think he thought that I was reading off prompter, but I didn't have it. I couldn't afford that. And it was just a makeshift camera that I set up and we recorded it and I sent it to him. But he was constructive through the entire.

I knew he watched the whole thing because he talked about it from start to finish. And I thought it was very genuine on his part. It was very Bob Lee like to be thorough. If I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it right. And I always appreciated that. There's one thing about like sportscasters that I think it's an intangible. You talk about, you know, getting critiqued and having your video take critique and stuff. But there's one thing that's like intangible that y'all have.

It's just you have to have a voice, a sonically sounding, pleasing voice. And you have one of those. It's like, it's like very deep. It's very, it makes like this warm feeling when I hear you. Maybe that's just the nostalgia growing up listening to you. But, like, all the great sportscasters have a voice and, like, a tagline or, like, something that they're known for. What would you say yours would be or how did you come up with kind of your own little vibe

in that realm? I don't, you know, people always say be yourself, but I don't know what that means. Okay. Because it just, like, what it, who are you? Now be that person on TV. Well, I wasn't the same person on TV that I wasn't the same person on TV that I. I am in my regular life and vice versa. Like Dick Vital doesn't sound like that when you're around Dick Vital. Right. Like he's not going, oh, he's just, he's very quiet. And you're going,

damn, first time I met him, it's like, damn, that doesn't, that's not Dick Vital. He's not going crazy. Chris Berman sounds like Chris Berman on and off the air. He's one of the few people who he doesn't have to be somebody different. But I really search for, you know, what kind of personality do you want to be? And I always wanted to let the product speak that you had to present the product. You had to present the highlights. You had to present the story. You can't make it about yourself presenting the highlights. And I was guilty of that sometimes. But for the most part, it was make sure that people are tuning in and they're tuning in to get the highlights. Now you can have fun with the highlights. Don't mix up the order there. And I was lucky to have a good voice from an early

age. And then you have to find a way to use it. And it's a weapon. It's a tool that you're able to use and I've been very fortunate to be able to find my voice. And eventually it took a little while to find my personality. You could deliver devastating news to somebody in that voice. It would sound good. Has that always been your voice? Or did you make a conscious effort when you're getting into broadcasting? I have to have a non-regional accent. I have to enunciate. this sort of thing. I have to, you know, present myself as a, as a classical journalist. I grew up in Ohio and we don't have an accent where I'm from, a southern part of Ohio. There's no accent. But I didn't, and I've always had the voice, you know, once I got to puberty,

then I had this voice. I had a grandmother who had a really deep voice. But she drank a lot of bourbon and smoked Winston. So I don't, it might have been because of that. But I just remember, and I have an older brother who has a similar voice to mine, but, you know, you have it. And then, you know, I don't take it for granted. It's not one of those things where, because people say, what do you do to develop a voice? I haven't had to do that. But I've been around people who have had to take voice lessons to understand how to use your diaphragm and where are you speaking from. Don't be nasly. All of those things. I fortunately never had to worry about that. As far as like inflection, my bad, bro, as far as like inflection, like, from like newscasters,

I've always wanted that, like, because that's a totally different vibe, but like, if you come across, like, the cadence in which you talk, I've always wondered that shit. Like when they, when they deliver the news, it's like, and this, five o'clock, two teens, and it's very, like, is there a reason for that? Because I, when I listen to it, I'm like, yo, that's goofy. Nobody talks like that. Why are they doing that to me? I wanted to speak as if I was speaking to you, if we were,

having a beer. Not I get on TV and then you'll hear those local announcers coming up at five and I never wanted to be a coming up at five. It was just coming up at five because you're trying to be conversational. I want to talk to you when I'm doing my show, whether it's radio or TV and feeling like it's one-on-one. And that's what I encourage broadcast students, speak to somebody, talk to somebody not at somebody and when you read can you read it in a way it sounds like you're not reading and those are challenges but you know i'm still working on that i've been in the business 40 years now you're trying to perfect it to a point where uh you're happy with it um and you know i nitpick but i i just love the sound radio gives you that sound and you get to visualize

whatever i say if i say Aaron Rogers you can can immediately picture something with Aaron Rogers or Tom Brady. The power of radio is my voice presenting something to you and then you get to visualize something. I don't have to describe it as much as allow you to help describe it with me. And that's, I've always appreciated that one-on-one contact connection you have with radio. You allow me in your car. You allow me in your headphones. You allow me in your house. I mean, that's intimate. And, you know, that's the power of, of radio or having a voice where people recognize it and remember it. It's a really cool way to describe it because it's very,

very true. And sometimes we don't think about it. But yeah, that's exactly what happens when you're listening to somebody on the radio. You're making your own thoughts out of their voice, which is just a wild thing. And I guess it's probably something that I could be more conscious of when I'm talking, but then maybe other times you really shouldn't be picturing what I'm saying in your

mind's out. That might be bad, especially if you're driving. I'm going to kick it over Big T in a second, but I want to ask you about the book in the book, The Occasionally Accurate Anals of Football. Do you have anything about the draft in there? Because I have a draft question for you.

God, I don't know. We talk about so many damn things in here. Let me see. My man has opened his book to see what's in the book. Well, Dan did a great job and he had other people write his book for him. Yes. Love that. Write a book.

Love that. Okay. So we have a one act play about the Tuck Rule. We have the Immaculate Receptual. presented as a sermon we have the butt fumble we have trash talk let's see we fix penalties we fix the jets uh what to bring to a tailgate um no i don't see any remember anything about the uh the draft okay that's fine i do have a draft question for you though okay as it pertains to uh kiler murray and caleb williams i know that you've had kiler on the show i think it was like it might

been at the same Super Bowl that we interviewed Dan Marino, and you had a similar type of interaction with Kyle. Oh, it could not have been anywhere near what Kyler Murray was with me. He was just, I don't think he was ready to do media. He wasn't ready to go on the air and discuss anything, really. It was one of those moments where you're, I keep thinking, okay, is he punking me? Because we didn't know if he was going to play football or baseball. But I had a source who said, if he's a top 10 pick, he's going to play football. So I'm saying this to him, but he doesn't want to answer it. He won't answer it.

His dad's all the way in the back of the room. I eventually got around to interviewing his dad in the back of the room, like yelling out questions because Kyler froze. And he was willing to talk about Gatorade, but he didn't want to talk about anything else. I go, dude, you got to help me here. This is quid pro quo. So you give, and I'll give a little bit, but he wouldn't do it. Teams actually looked at that video, and there were two teams that if they had the choice

from what I'm told, really had second thoughts about drafting Kyler Murray based off of that. And, you know, the Cardinals went in all, you know, all in for him. And he since came back on the show, and we joked about it. But, man, that was painful. That's one of those moments. It's live TV, live bullets, and there was nothing I could do. And I didn't want to embarrass him. He's 21 years of age.

But at some point, it's survival. And, you know, I was ready to kick him to the curb. Yeah, the people around him are probably more to blame for that one. I mean, as a human being, he probably should have been able to answer a couple questions. But if you're going to be doing live TV, you should be ready to answer questions about career. I don't think he was told how to do it, though.

Yeah, that's the thing. It's like somebody should have prepared him for that. Yeah, because they said, look, you're going to make money from Gatorade. You're going to make X number of dollars. People are going to ask you questions. Well, everybody wanted to know the same thing. Like, why would you choose football or why would you stay with baseball? And he didn't want to answer any of that.

And then we got around to Gatorade, and then that was it. I sent him on his way. Yeah, he didn't blindside him with anything. But the story that's just coming out right now is from Caleb Williams' dad. He said, the funky thing about the NFL draft process is, he'd almost be better off not being drafted than being drafted first. The system is completely backwards.

The way the system is constructed, it's the worst, you go to the worst team possible. The worst possible team, the worst organization in the league because their desire for parity gets the first pick. So it's the gift and the curse.

So if there's not a good situation, the truth is he can come back to school. It sounds to me like they're laying the groundwork for Caleb Williams to pull an Eli Manning on draft night if it's a team like, the only team that you can say confidently right now appears to be in tanking mode would be the Arizona Cardinals. And it sounds to me like they're laying the groundwork of if he gets drafted by the Cardinals,

we're going to demand a trade right off the bat. Do you think that the draft is completely broken? No. I thought it was broken when rookies would get $50 million. And they hadn't done anything. Meanwhile, you had veterans who had done something and they were kind of getting crumbs here. That's when I thought there was a big problem. But, you know, this is the way it's always going to be.

The worst team is going to get the best player. And if he can use that leverage, let's say he's making $7 million at USC. Okay. So put your name back in the hopper and, you know, I'm sure the USC collectives will up the ante to $10 million and or even more. And then you get to stay and then you, you know, hopefully you go to the team that you want to go to. But you're going to go to a bad team unless somebody is going to trade up. You know, the Bears had the number one pick. Well, if somebody is willing to trade with you, then, you know, there's a chance you go to a better team.

And I still think that quarterbacks who go later in the draft have a better chance of succeeding because you're going to a better team instead of I got to be the savior. C.J. Stroud in Houston or Bryce Young in Carolina. They got a long road there. but if you're drafted a little bit later on, chances are you might not start right away, but you're going to be with a better coach, you know, more stable organization and a better team. If you put Mahomes in Chicago, what are the Chicago Bears? Are they that much better? Yeah, they are.

No, they're not. I disagree. There's nothing he can do. That's an interesting what is. Who is he throwing it to? Pickett famously said that. No, no, no, no. Patrick Mahomes was drafted by the Bears.

He would have got hit by a bus the next day. They're not a playoff. Dan, they're not a playoff team if Patrick Mahomes there. Last year's team? At the very least, they're not going at the door on the playoffs. You aren't very. I think that's probably the one example that I would disagree with. Have you looked at that roster? I've looked at him.

That man is, that man is the savior. That man is amazing. I could have put Montana on the Bears, Brady on the Bears, Aaron Rogers on the Bears, Marino, Elway. nothing's changing. This might be a hot take, but I think when it's all set and done, he's going to be better than all of them.

That's just my personal opinion, though. I've already got a hot take with Brady and Rogers, but that boy is bad. I don't think he's had good Super Bowl numbers, by the way. Just looking at, you know, when it comes to the big game, I don't know if he, Jalen Hertz was a better quarterback in the Super Bowl last year.

We had that fumble six. He had that terrible fumble. He did. Probably the difference in the game. But he might have been the MVP. I just, you're only as good as the team around you. In basketball, LeBron can take the Cavaliers team to the NBA finals. You can't do that in the NFL.

You can be a great quarterback. Brady's only great because why? He had a really good defense, had the greatest coach of all time, and he had just enough that he can make it all work. Aaron Rogers. Great organization. They draft really well. You know, you've got to have that.

If not, you're going to be a talented player who is going to be on a team that doesn't make the playoffs. I'm with you. But the unique thing about Mahomes is that if, let's say you have a Mahomes, is they, he allows you to build a less dynamic offense than you would have to have normally because he can, he can make any throw on a field, he can scramble, he can run, he can get out of the pocket, he can throw on the run. He does things better than most quarterbacks have ever done them. Aaron Rogers has done this before Patrick Mahomes did. Agreed. I made the argument that I think he's the greatest quarterback all time, Eric Rodgers. He's my favorite quarterback ball time.

What I think at the end of the day, when it's all said done, I think Patrick Mahomes has the opportunity to be better than him. Well, is better more Super Bowls? No, I don't, I don't measure by that match. But that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I think if you take Pat Mahomes and you put them on the Bears, maybe they don't make the play out, but they're scratching at the door.

He's that good. He's that good. You ought to have a good team around you. I agree. Once again, basketball is five guys. I'm with you. I'm with you. Look at the first team that LeBron took to the NBA finals.

Pedestrians. That doesn't happen. Damn, I know. One of them do is my homies. But I feel. Who's your homie? Booby. Boobie gives.

Once again, you're making the point. You know, Boobie got to play. But you had Big Z and, I mean, come on. Now, I'm with you. They played the Spurs. And I was like, this isn't fair. The ring argument of me is Nolan. I don't do the ring argument, unless basketball is a different story.

But like, with football, I don't do the ring argument. But what I'm saying is there are players that make you better. And I think Mahomes makes people, he gives the opportunity for people to be better. John Elway was Mahomes before Mahomes. and he was a better athlete. What? Elway play. A better act?

Well, how do we define an athlete? Maybe I. How do you want to? Are you saying Elway was more mobile than Mahomes? Yes. Elway was an unbelievable athlete. I want to say unbelievable. Well, all right, I'm going to give you that.

I think that's your error. He was a two, he was drafted by the Yankees. You know, I know Mahomes could play baseball. I'm just saying Elway. did this stuff. Look at the, he never had an all-pro skill position guy when he took those bad teams, bad offenses to the Super Bowl. They had a really

good defense and they had Elway. Three amigos, never a pro bowl. He had Gary Zimmerman a tackle who was an all-pro. That was it. He took those teams and they got blown out, but Elway would get blamed. But Elway was unbelievable.

He was. Marino's to me, the guy who changed the position. Marino was five-wide, no backfield, and he was quick release before anybody did that. And he's throwing for 5,000 yards in 1984 and 48 touchdown. In today's game, can't touch him. He doesn't have to be mobile, and he's just going to throw for close to 6,000 yards. So we've had these guys before. It's we like what's on the menu right in front of us.

Mahomes is spectacular. So much fun to watch. But they're a guy, you know, Montana was a great athlete, too. Steve Young could have played running back. He was a great, great quarterback. Come on. Steve Young could not have played running back down. You're wilder.

Have you seen the run against the Minnesota Vikings when he basically runs through everybody in the Vikings defense there? But there is a very specific difference between scrambling and having an open field in front of you. Okay. And having runs designed where you got eight, nine men in the box. Those are two different worlds. I'll give you that. I'll give you the nine men in the box. But look at Steve Young, the athlete. I think he was the first like, first run at like mobile quarterback that, well, I want to say first, but he was one of the first ones that was like, yo, you have to account for him, maybe put a spy on him, stuff like that. But he was completing almost 70% of his

passes. You look at mobile quarterbacks and they don't complete that. He did. Like Michael Vic, incredible athlete. He wasn't a great percentage quarterback. Okay. I don't know how we got to this point. But back to Mahomes, if he was on the Bears, they're not sniffing the playoffs. I think you're insane on that way. But it's good.

I'm glad that we found the one guy out there that still thinks that Patrick Mahomes is not that great. So I appreciate that, Dan. No, I think he's awesome. I just think we get caught up in one guy when he goes to a team. Can he turn them around? Bryce Young's not going to turn that team around right now. C.J. Strown's not going to. Trevor Lawrence is an extremely talented quarterback.

We're going to find out if he's a great quarterback this year, which I think we will. But you go to these teams because they're bad and we go to the quarterback. Hey, save us. Justin Fields can't save the Bears right away. And he was one of the most dynamic players in the NFL last year. Yeah, their defense wasn't very good. And you're right about the Chiefs. The Chiefs were, they weren't a bad team.

when Mahomes went there. They won 12 games. They had Alex Smith. They won 12 games and kicked him to the curb. You got Kelsey a Hall of Famer. You know, you had Tyree Kill who might be a Hall of Famer. Chris Jones is a great player. They had players and Andy Reed's a Hall of Fame coach.

Because he got drafted later, that was his benefit. Instead of going to a crappy team, which is the point I was trying to make. Yeah. And that's why I'm hearing that Caleb Williams is going to hold out and demand to be drafted by the Washington command? And I, if you got the leverage, use the leverage. Elway didn't want to play for the Baltimore Colts. Yep.

He didn't. He was like, no, I'll go play baseball. And then they eventually traded him. You know, Eli didn't want to go to the Chargers organization. All right. So they ended up trading him. So if you have the leverage and you can use it, great. I have no problem with that.

I agree. Big T. I know that you had a couple questions. Yeah, good to talk to you, Dan. I wanted to switch gears to college football for a minute. I'm a Tennessee grad. You broke the infamous McDonald's bag story. I believe, like the first day after Jeremy Pruitt was fired.

Do you at all regret the accuracy of that reporting, given that it was a Chick-fil-A bag? And I don't know if you followed the ensuing NCAA investigation, but Jeremy Pruitt told investigators he was compelled to give that particular family money in the wake of racial unrest in the country at the time. Does that change anything for you as well? No. He's got you dead to rights, though, on the Chick-fil-A bag. It was Chick-fil-A.

Well, first of all, so I'm supposed to believe a coach who lied to begin with, but, now he's going to tell me the truth that he had Chick-fil-A and not McDonald's. All I know is that there was a player who was on the team who transferred, and there was a coach on that team who told me that he spoke to his player, and his player said, they got money in a McDonald's bag. So that's all I know. All I know is, was it true that they were getting money in a fast food bag? And the answer is, yes.

Not everybody was getting money because of some kind of racial. insensitivity or equality or whatever other guys were just getting you know the bag with something in the bag which had nothing to do with anything other than we're trying to get you to come to Tennessee yeah it didn't work too well either no no we saw and how many different violations was he guilty of oh who knows it wasn't just hey you know what we're doing we're going to pay you with fast food bags and put money in there or a few other things there. But look, I stand by the story and I know Tennessee people were upset about it. I have no, you know, acts to grind with Tennessee. Nothing. I've just told the story.

I told this story. That's it. Couldn't care less. Have no, you know, bias against Tennessee whatsoever. Glad they're back. Highpool's done a wonderful job. Yeah, whatever it took to get Jeremy Pruitt out of there. There you go. I helped out as well. Yes. Definitely. Maybe I didn't. I don't. Maybe in future tellings of that story, you just update the facts. Yeah, I just say Chick-fil-A back. Get it right. Much classier established. Yes, I agree.

But you can't get it on Sunday, right? You can't get Chick-fil-A. So they couldn't pay the recruits on Sunday because is Chick-fil-A closed on Sunday? That's what's messed up about the Falcon Stadium, Mercedes-Benz. I know. They have a chick-fil-a-in-it, and they play games on Sunday. But they just flip it. It's a place that I believe it still serves like chicken and waffle fries.

It's just not Chick-fil-A. But that's not the same. I don't want to go to a Chick-fil-A. I don't want Chick-fil-A signage all around me, and then I get served a non-chick-fil-A. They have a, they flip it. They literally flip the sign, and it's called something different. A different one.

Okay, that's good. Billy, I know that you have a question for Dan specifically pertain to your own personal experiences. No, so, Dan, in 2007, you left ESPN in the largest sports show on TV. I was just wondering how you dealt with criticism. Do you have any regrets about that? And, you know, what went into that decision? I have no regrets.

I did at the time, I think after the fact, it was like, you know, post-traumatic stress where I went, oh, my God, no one leaves ESPN, at least back then. Now you get fired, but or the laid off. But back then, I just got to a point to a point in my career where I was like, I'm not getting any better. I've kind of mastered Sports Center. What else is there? And then I kind of worried that was I going to just stay there?

Everybody else had left. Whether they were doing specialty shows, I was the last holdout from a previous regime doing SportsCenter. I thought, God, I don't want to be the old guy doing SportsCenter. And I thought, you know what? Let me try to do something on my own.

And man, you don't realize how powerful those four letters are. even to this day people say hey i love watching you on sports center i've been on sports center in 17 years that's actually crazy it is but but i'm i was on every day every night and then rear in the morning and you become part of somebody's life you're going to school uh right before you go to school you watch sports center right before you go to bed very very powerful uh you know imprint to have on people and and i just i was willing to give that up i went home And I set up a studio in my attic and I had all my guys come in every morning at seven in the morning.

And my wife would be getting kids off to school and we'd go upstairs and do a national radio show. And it was awesome because I was doing it on my own. Like if I was going to succeed, it'd be because of me. If I was going to fail, it would be because of me. Not you're only good because you're, you know, with ESPN. I kind of needed to get my ass handed to me a little bit, to be honest with you. and, and I did, I did for, for three years, you know, when you're doing it out of, you know, when people say, hey, you're not on Sports Center.

What are you doing now? I'm doing a radio show in my attic. And then they're like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I go, no, no, it's okay. Like, I'm fine. I'm fine with it. But it was a little nerve-wracking because I wasn't sure if it would lead to anything bigger. And we had 12 radio stations.

And now we're close to 400. But that's 17 years of trying to build it up. And we eventually got out of the house and, you know, have an unbelievable man cave. I love it. That's very good advice. Yeah. And I've had a couple of people who, some still at ESPN, a couple who've left who wanted advice on leaving ESPN. And I would tell them, don't leave.

Don't leave. Because, man, you walk out that door and you're dead to ESPN. You know, they were, they were pretty tough to me. Yeah, they were, they were telling radio affiliates if you carry my program, then they would drop you as an affiliate. And it got ugly for about 10 years. And who makes those, I always want, who makes those calls? Because like, like, if you want to drop names, you know, I don't have to, of course,

I don't want you, you know, I don't want you in any, I don't want you in any, I don't want you anything. Everything's good now, Aaron. Okay, I don't, yeah, we're, we're good the last, but I had to go to upper management. Right. And I just said, how about we level the playing. field here. Because I, like, you're acknowledging me that I am like still a threat. A threat. Yeah. But let, let's level the playing field and see, see how this goes. Can we do that? And John

Skipper, to his credit, basically called off the dogs. And he said, all right, we're, we'll make this work. We'll, we'll make. Because I said, look, I gave you 18 years of my life. All I'm asking is, let me just, let me just, let me just, I'm the little engine that could. And maybe I couldn't. But that was all I was at. Level playing field. Let me just try to do this show. And, you know, it took a long time. But, you know, it empowered us because I'm like, you know, what? Fuck. You know, we're, they're nervous about us. And then, you know, that was sort of kind of let us feel a little bit more powerful or we have something to say. You know, or we can still be a player in the game. So it was, so was John Skipper. So it was John Skipper's on site. But I do have, but I do have it. But I do have. a question for you, man. Two questions. Because of your old ties with ESPN, and I had an opportunity to, you know, do the wash and all that stuff. And you kind of develop friends with the Super Bowl parties and stuff like that. So I have people that I bumped that ran into. And growing up, my goal was Stuart Scott, right? And I got a chance to meet him and talk with him. And it was really

dope developing that relationship. Who is your, who is your goat? Like, of all time. Anybody you ever came across, anybody you looked up to, who is your all-time sports comment to go? It was probably a combination of a lot of different people. I always respected Bob Costas because he just did it. He had composure. He was quick. He was smart. I worked at CNN with Nick Charles and Fred Hickman, and I saw chemistry with two guys who had nothing in common off the air,

but they got on TV and they were wonderful. Chris Berman's courage to do what he did when he did it, you know, I always admired that. Al Michaels, you know, growing up listening to him, he did Cincinnati Reds baseball for a year. I remember hearing him and then being around him. I like Keith Jackson when he did football because he sounded like football. Vince Scully, that he could make you see everything on radio.

He had that ability to make you, you know, even if you couldn't see, he's going to let you see what Dodger Stadium look like, everything that was going, the nuance of things. So there were a lot of different people who got involved, I think. And then you sort of sample, you kind of figure out, can I do that? What can I borrow? What do I want to try to emulate, admire? And being a good writer, being knowledgeable, too.

You know, they're certain guys behind the scenes that I always appreciated them as well. Howie Schwab, stump the Schwab. It might be the smartest guy I ever met when it came to knowledge. And so there's so many of those people down through the years that I just kind of, you wanted to be professional. That was it. And Stuart and I had a unique relationship. we were very, very competitive with each other. I don't know if we liked each other.

Oh, wow. We respected each other. Well, Stuart wanted my job. Right. And he was doing the 1 o'clock with Rich Eisen, and I was doing the 11 o'clock. And, you know, we'd play hoops. We'd play football, like football.

And, you know, Stuart was very, very competitive. And I always admired that. But what he did at the end of his life, when he went out for the espies and i was told he he was too sick to be able to fly he got out there and he gave that speech and i went holy shit like that that is a that is a man right there i had never had more respect and i did have respect for him because he took chances he was he was willing he was he wanted to do it his way and there were a lot of people in in uh in management who did not think highly of what Stuart was doing or they had to tolerate Stewart. But he was not

afraid, man, not afraid. And we played basketball one time against each other. And it was all the sports center anchors that came out and played. And I said, all right, I'll go out, but I just want to run up down the floor, sweat. That's all. I said, I don't want somebody picking me up full court. I was promised. Now we're just going to run them down the floor. Well, who picks me up full court, Stuart Scott. So he's got his Air Jordan's on. He's got his goggles on. He's got Air Jordan shirt and shorts and shoes and sweatbands and, you know, the whole thing. And I go, I'll be damn. You're going to pick me up full court. So it got chippy. And, you know, he's forearm in me, you know, body in me, the whole thing. And at one point, I'm embarrassed to say, I was

dribbling down the floor. And I said, where do you want me to fucking score on you? Oh. and he didn't say anything because he knew that I was a better player than he was. But here I was being a dick on the floor. And I was like, okay, now you got me. I'm going to be this competitive guy. And I said, I'm dribbling with my left hand. And I remember he's down on the floor like he's, you know, a Duke basketball player slapping the floor. And I said, where do you want me to fucking score on you?

And then I went baseline, went up for a layup. He undercut me. I land on my back. I'm out. They put me in the bleachers, and it's point. So, and I, like 10 minutes, 15, who knows how long, and they go, well, you got to get to the hospital. I said, fuck that. I said, it's our ball.

So I went to the top of the key, took a shot, made the shot, got in my car, and I actually drove over a curb. I think I never should have been behind my Jeep Cherokee. I'm driving over a curb on the grass at the camp. YMCA and I drive myself to the emergency room. I have a chip vertebrae. I go to work that night. Stewart's there. Walk in.

Stuart doesn't say a word. I don't say a word. I'm like, we're good. And that was the kind of relationship that we had. But it was complex. But it was real. It was competitive in there. because everybody wanted other people's jobs and how much money you're making.

And we had so much talent in there. But, you know, I always appreciated that. With all of the things that we maybe didn't agree on, you know, we agreed that we were going to compete with each other. And he made me better. And I hope I made him better. I wish I had footage of that basketball game. It's an amazing story. I relate to it so much because as I look back at my career, a lot of my competitive relationships were in the moment.

I was like, yo, fuck this dude. I can stand this dude. But like at the end of, you know, when you start like looking towards the end of things, you're like, damn, like I appreciated that partnership or that relationship so much because it pushed me and it drove me to be somebody way better than I would have been at the end. And maybe we didn't like each other in the moment at the end of the day. Yeah, man, we needed each other. Like that's a, that's a beautiful. So I appreciate you sharing it. I did, I did reach out to him. We wanted to have him on after his speech. And he was flying back and ESPNPR said, he, he, he's just not up to it. But he did, he did want me to tell you something about that he knocked me on my ass. So I, I, I respected it. You know, even, even as he's dying, he's still competing. And I was like, yep, he did. He undercut me. But I, you know, and I, you know, and I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, he respected.

Here I'm telling PR at ESPN. Yeah, but I scored. Like the next I scored on. Like, who gets? Shut up. You know, what am I doing? That's a great story. That's an all-timer.

Well, Dan, thank you for joining us. You can pick up his book, the occasionally accurate anales of football. Annals. And I just picked it up right here. It's annals. There you go. That's my only regret, you know, like the A-N-N-A-L-L-N. Like, we could have come up with a better word for that.

I like it as it is. I'm not going to forget it. yeah how many shows do you do you have to uh so i i do these two shows right now so i do part of my take thrice a week three times monday wednesday friday and then i do macrodosing on tuesday and he has an only fans i do not have an only fan no no i don't know not yet okay but once you're done like your your day is done when when we hang up uh no so we're gonna tape so this show we just kind of meander through a variety of topics whatever we're interested in that week so it's not necessarily about sports it could be about anything uh like last

week we did an entire episode on on north korea and so we'll go on for three four hours sometimes so it's a it's a it's a long show yeah what's the normal amount of time that you guys spend on microdose uh i'd say like uh two to three hours three and a half hours anywhere from two to three to three oh wow yeah so it's a it's a marathon it's a little bit different though you know because I do strictly sports for the most part on part of my take and then get to explore anything else and kind of get more into my personal life and less, you know, in the hot take zone that I find myself in on part of my take. But that's what I, you strike me as you might have a public persona, but privately,

are you different? Well, so it's interesting that you say that because the way that we got started on part of my take was I was a writer. And I developed a character, what if there was an internet commenter that commented on Mike Floreos Pro Football Talk? And you gave him his own blog, right? So it complete with all the misspellings, all that stuff. I just had the worst, stupidest, dumbest, hottest takes ever. And then that evolved into being, you know, a pretty successful writer online, wrote a book and things kind of started to balloon.

And then Eric Stangle from the David Letterman Show reached out to me. and he said, I think you should try podcasting. And I was like, I don't know, man. I'm just a writer. Like, I've never thought about podcasting. I was, I was on the radio in college, but that was a little bit different. I did like a comedy radio show. And he was like, no, I think you'd be good at it.

You should try it. So he took me to the serious studio in New York and had me record a demo. And then they wanted to put me on the air every week doing a 30-minute or maybe an hour-long show every week. And I think they offered me $35 a week to do that. And so I was like, you know what? Like I don't, I'm not in the habit of saying no to opportunities, but if I'm going to have to fly to New York and record a radio show and then fly back that the math's not really working out well for me right now. And so then Big Cat eventually reached out to me because we always used to get our blogs compared to each other because we would say a lot of the same jokes or have a lot of the same takes.

And Big Cat reached out. He was like, hey, we just got this money from Churning. We want to expand our podcasting. I want you to be with co-hosts, would you be interested? I was like, yeah, let's give it a shot. Never in a million years did I think that it would take me to this place. But I kept that character going on part of my take, which has been dulled a little bit throughout the years

because no one wants to listen to me, get on the air three times a week and say the absolute stupidest stuff possible. So I still, I sprinkle a little bit of dumb shit in there, but it's become more, I guess more towards who I actually am in real life. Well, thanks for having me on. Great to talk to you again. And good luck with the show. Thank you very much.

Yeah, appreciate it. Good luck.