Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Behind the closed doors of the CIA ft. Former CIA agent Gary Harrington

Episode Date: September 14, 2023

On today’s episode the guys talk to CIA agent, Gary Harrington. He tells us how he got to where he is, what it’s like to work in the CIA and the new New Netflix documentary "Spy Ops". Plus, Donnie joins the show to discuss more about the CIA, Billy’s Wing Challenge, the convicted murderer manhunt, aliens found in Mexico and much more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon music. I'm not a lie. Like, people think, like, whatever I tell a playful lie, I think that I'm lying. It's just because it's like, I find it funny because, like, I'm lying the whole time. I'm communicating it the whole time. And, like, I communicate that. And that's almost telling the truth.

It's actually on you. Not realizing that I'm lying. Like, you can read my face like a book. Like, I'm telling you the whole time. Welcome back to macrodosing. What's up, people? It is Thursday. How about that?

It's Thursday. It's September 14th. We got Aryan, Billy, Big Tea and the Wantan Don sitting in with us today. We got Madeline and McKinsey on the ones and also on the twos. Very excited to be back in the studio with you guys. We're going to talk about the CIA today. And we have a very special guest who is a former CIA agent.

You can see his story on Netflix, SpyOps. I believe it was the number three rated show across all Netflix yesterday. Last I checked. I did not watch it. I was about to. And then Shane Gillis is. special popped up and I was like I'll check that out instead but I will be watching spy ops it seems fascinating this dude's got some crazy crazy stories that he shares with us same's Gary harrington you can

look him up you got kicked out at Delta force spent some time in South America spent some time in the Middle East pre and immediately post 9-11 so he also invited us to come hang out at his house which I might take him up on he wants to drink whiskey around a campfire and tell stories so that sounds interesting might might have to take him up on that. The show, as always, is brought to you by Three Chee. It's right. Three Chi is the best. Donnie, you've had Three Chi, right? Had some last night. Let's go. Very cool. I had some Three Chi last night as well. Yeah. Rocked me to bed. Yeah. It's a great way to fall asleep. Great way to watch a stand-up special. Great way to play a flight simulator, too. I got like five kills in my F-16

last night in multiplayer. I was flying, I was patrolling the air outside the Caucasus Mountains, flying over Crimea doing all sorts of crazy missions last night. Three-chi was my right-hand man. That was my co-pilot. Three-chi was my co-pilot. I'm not a drug guy, but I am a three-chee guy. Were you flying a Ukrainian plane? No, it's flying.

Actually, this was an F-16 based on the paint scheme out of Anchorage, Alaska. Okay. But Ukraine does have F-16s now. Yeah. And like, has there been much of an air war when it comes to what's going on between Russia and Ukraine right now? Yeah, there's been a little bit of an air war going back and forth, but the Ukrainian Air Force was flying like Big 29s, I think.

Okay. And they're not really capable of standing up against the Russian aircraft, but now we got F-16s over there, or Ukraine has F-16s over there, from us. And that's going to be a much more formidable foe, if my own experience flying over the Caucasus Mountains tells us anything. It's turning into like a drone war, too. Didn't Ukraine kill some, like, top Russian official of a drone?

Yeah, their drones have been going crazy They've made drones out of like cardboard and shit So is it just kind of like The drones we use here at Barstool But there's like a gun attached Yeah, pretty much Fistuli could be running this war Holy shit

Fadroni They just drop little packages That like swirl down And they go right into the top of tank doors Like yeah Pretty accurate I've been watching way too much war footage it's all out there

Everyone's fighting wars with GoPro's on Billy's gonna submit a claim for PTSD Yeah From watching too much war footage Sorry, can't come in this week And Billy was also on part of my take yesterday Talking about the Jets So it was good to see you back

Good to hang out with you back on the old podcast Bill People seem to like it I was just telling everybody that I didn't get any tweets today Being like tell Billy that he should go Redacted himself so good job billy sweet also uh if you want to get in on the three chee game you can use promo code well first of all you go to three chee dot com then you use promo code macro 15 get 15% off your order you get an exclusive discount on all three cheese premium t hc products i like their gummies

that's what i had last night the gummies are outstanding three chee dot com promo code macro 15 take 15% off your order must be 21 or older to purchase plus Please use it responsibly. No, Billy, I'm saying like I had zero complaints about Billy. People were across the board happy to see you make your return. So it was a good showing. It was nice being a guest. Yeah.

They treat guests really well. Yeah, you got to plug all your stuff. They're like the Taliban. And that's a little sneak peek of our interview with Harrington later. I forget what the code is that he was talking. about but they have a code in afghanistan yeah uh you would rather get your own head cut off than have your guest suffer a scratch on their cheek so um that's that's that's what you're right billy we are like the taliban getting getting to the jets real quick i did predict

josh allen would get his get face fucked that did happen so half of my prediction was good the other half was absolutely like the worst he got Facebook Rogers there's a bad bad showing from Josh I still think he'll be fine in the long term but where's the video where's the video of you eating chicken wings brer

dude I have it's on my TikTok do you follow me on TikTok? No where I'm not gonna what's you don't follow me on TikTok I'm not on TikTok the fuck I'm on get a TikTok to watch you eat chicken wings bro no but put the videos in a group I've been blogging it I blogged it but I mean

I'm going to do an update at the end of the week. But as of right now, update, I've had to start drinking distilled water because the real bad part is the sodium intake. That's what's getting me. That's what it's making me feel weird. Like now I understand why Frank the tank's yelling at everybody all the time and so angry. And that guy just literally like snort salt like multiple times a day. He has tons of salt in his pocket that he carries with him all the time. And that sodium intake is getting me a little testy.

Yeah, Frank rolls with packets of salt. Why? Got to keep that thing on you. He's addicted, bro. You get like, you start to crave it even though you feel shitty. Like it's- I don't want to be that guy, but he needs to not do that. He's very healthy in some ways that like he doesn't drink alcohol at all.

Yeah, it don't matter, man. Yeah, that's actually the only way he's healthy. Yeah. He has lost a lot of weight, though. Uh, yeah, I think he's a lot more active at his current job than he was working as a court clerk. Yep. Not as a transcriber, stenographer as a court clerk. Uh, but yeah, he's, he's lost a little bit of weight, but he still loves, he loves his salt.

He loves his accent that he puts on everything. No, but the chicken wings is, I'm going to make to the rest of the week, but I would not recommend it. Only grilled wings. You might get kiddie stones, really. Yeah. Can you make unsalted wings? Yeah, but the, the, the, the bet was, I don't even know. what it's not really a bet it's more like a challenge just to have buffalo wings at least once a day and I can have another flavor but every single flavor of wings has copious amounts of salt in it no matter what so what are the effects that you're feeling with the so I've never heard that before that actually makes like it affects your behavior well like you see my face it's like puffy and I just feel kind of lightheaded but I'm counteracting that with distilled water which if you

no distilled water you're not supposed to drink it because it makes you cramp because it gets your electrolytes out of balance but my theory is is that like you know osmosis and diffusion and stuff my theory is if i'm drinking distilled water and i have too much sodium it'll balance out all the salt i don't know enough about that shit yeah that checks out yeah i don't know yeah i mean it checks out like from my you know by like hit like a high school bio class so yeah do you think maybe it's the distilled water that you're drinking that might be causing abnormal effects or no no I just started doing that about an hour ago hopefully it kicks in all right because I've eaten about five meals worth of chicken now yeah three two and a half days yeah five and it's

I think I have five to go. Do you lost any weight? Yeah, I've lost weight. I was, I started at 232 and I'm now 229. I also have been, best diet ever. I've been regularly exercising too, so. That's good. I'm back on the exercise now.

I was off for about a month and a half, but I've decided to start exercising. Yeah, big news. Moving. Feeling great. Moving. Yeah, I actually, I did a, uh, a pellet. last night same here baby oh yeah yeah what class did you take um the hit and hill training with i don't really like i only just started doing the peloton because we have one in our new

building but um the black guy i don't Alex Toussaint is his name yeah he's he's great he's my favorite so far he like yells at you he's like a football coach okay that's what I like about him um I took a Kindle tool class she's one of my favorites too she's great okay I don't know her They just did, like, celebrating the 50th birthday of hip hop. So they have, like, all these hip hop themed classes. That's cool. Yeah. She did a, um, uh, Megan the Stallion, Cardi B ride one time.

And she was like, yeah, get on that WAP, that WAP, that wet-ass Peloton. Oh, wow. An excellent moment in workout history. And then I did a sauna this morning. And a sauna. So riddle me this. I'm going to ask Billy, because I feel like Billy's the expert. when it comes to this sort of thing.

Billy, our sauna is healthy for you. Can I just, does it count as a workout if I just sit in a sauna for a long time? Um, it does put cardiovascular strain on you, but not the same as exercising, but it's the laziest way to exercise. It is. It truly is. You just sit and you sweat.

Yeah. You feel like you got to work out. Um, big. It's, it's sonning after a workout. Uh, I recently joined a gym, uh, that has like a pool and a sauna and it's honestly helped me drop a little weight honestly it might be skewing the the chicken wing results yeah that's actually yeah point you might be getting a little dehydrated there's some compounding variables that might be screwing up this experiment but i've always found

that sonas cure hangovers but i looked up online and there's no like science behind a sauna like curing your hangover it just feels good to sweat i think yeah it's endorphins it's definitely endorphins okay i mean i used to feel like you could flush out the toxins just by sweating hard for 15 minutes but i don't i don't think that's true well it's the most passive way to sort of get your system going and it you got to drink water though because it will dehydrate you um but endorphins are for lack of a better term like your body's natural drugs and you know drugs make you feel good that's the point so if you're feeling bad making your body make you feel good you know there's probably not much science there but

it's just also pft offered me something a few weeks ago called a zbiotic that you're supposed to drink before drinking alcohol and um i don't know if it's the placebo effect but i feel like it that actually has been taking the edge off hangovers i think it does and they're they're not a sponsor but i no i have a friend that is friends with a person that started the company and so like like three years ago he gave me a zbiotic one time he's like you got to try this i had it and i was like yeah you know what the next morning i don't i don't feel so bad so i've been ordering just insane amounts of zbiotics over the years they might be coming on as a sponsor because they they sent a bunch of new ones uh so i don't know that would be awesome it would be great yeah so

i will give it my endorsement i also took them the only thing is they made like bad like ball like bowel movements on the other side i'm not sure if they maybe that was the hangover maybe no no no like it doesn't say it's going to cure like beer shits no no but i don't usually get those but this like you know definitely changed up the digestive track in some way if i just woke up after a night of drinking and like all i had was just beer shits but not like the hangover and just feeling like death that would be all Awesome. Yeah, I won't make that trade any day of the week. Big T, you don't really drink that much. But when you do drink, do you get bad hangovers? No, I don't think I've ever had a hangover. So I think that's such a, it's so hangovers aren't really about you being older and being in like your 30s. Because for me, I hate by 30s. Being an alcoholic. Well, it's not. No, no, no. Come on. Come on. I'm an alcoholic. I know. I know a lot of non-alcoholics. I get like hangovers. You go out on Friday. You have a good time. It's just like your battery has been drinking. It's just like your battery has been drinking. rained over the years. Like I've, I've, I've dealt in my 20s with hangovers that weren't so

bad. Then once you get older, they get worse. I think it's just about the amount of times that you drink. That is correlated. If you, if you gave like a 50 year old who drinks like once or twice a year, if they go out, have a good time one night, they probably wake up in the morning with not that bad of a hangover. That seems antithetical to me. What do you mean? It seems like the more often you drink the more tolerance you should have towards it the more tolerance you have towards the alcohol while it's in your body but then the next morning your body's already used up over the course of years and years of dealing with hangovers it's used that energy that magic hangover reducing energy right you don't have it anymore right now your liver is probably awesome sure you have a great liver

big tea if anything happens you can i have it uh no why not damn are you an organ donor no No, I don't know. I don't like it. Sometimes you don't fuck up shit with your organs. Oh, here y'all go with the bullshit, man. Like, did you hear about that? No, I didn't say that.

I just said I don't like it. What the fuck is you going to do with your shit when you did? Nothing. That's the way I want it. That's mine. That's crazy. You know what? That's not very Christ-like, Big T.

That's a good point. I don't know that it is or isn't. I know that it is not. What do you mean? If Christ could help somebody out out with a liver or a kidney or something that you're not using anymore, he would absolutely do so. Yeah.

What do you mean? He literally died to save humanity in general. He gave all his organs. He donated his entire body. He didn't give his body, though. He didn't give his body. He didn't give his body. I thought that's why you eat the wafers

because you're eating Christ's body. Right, but he never gave his actual body because Christ's body is the only one of the prophets or religious leaders who hasn't, doesn't have a burial site. Because he gave his entire body. His body disappeared into heaven. It turned into wafers.

His body disappeared. He gave his life. That is giving his body. By the way, I am an organ donor. You should be. It's very Christmite. I am.

I just, it's funny. Do you hear that story about the grandma that got strapped to a rocket and blown up? And then her, that's the owner of his own name. Are you, I'll defend Billy. I'll defend Billy.

I'll defend Billy. This is a, This is a true story that Billy's about to tell, and it's extremely fucked up. Billy, you want to go ahead? Yeah. Yeah. So apparently, I think it was the Air Force. This woman dedicated her body to science, thinking she'd be a cadaver or something.

And she ended up strapped to a rocket by the Air Force and launched and blown up just so they would see what would happen to a body if they blew up on a rocket ship or something. And then the grandson was like, what the fuck? Billy's mostly, well, kind of accurate with the story. I'm probably totally wrong. So you can donate your body to science after you die. And a lot of times they're used for dissections in like a medical school, all sorts of stuff that is actually like a good use of your body after you're gone. But there have been some cases where the bodies that are donated to science end up going to the United States military where they can do tests. And some of these tests involved seeing what sort of damage the human body would undergo if it was subject.

objected to an explosive of a certain type. And so they did strap this lady to a chair, and then they started detonating hand grenades around her to observe and bombs to see, like, what sort of damage this would do to a human. And so, yeah, she was blown up. I don't think she was tied to a rocket and shot into outer space, but they did donate, detonate bombs, like right underneath her to see how fucked up she would get. I would loki be down for that if I, if I consented to it.

Yeah. If it was you're either going to be dissected by medical students on a table or strapped to a rocket and blown up. If I'm already dead, I think I'd rather take the rocket. No, man. Space. You're contributing to the military industrial complex. I want to give it to Elon.

Give it to, give it to science so that we can learn something from being. Ah, because of this, we learn this. Maybe a new medicine. and maybe something, you know, a step towards progression. Like, that shit, you're just going on more war. I want to, I want a space Viking funeral. Launch me into space and light it on fire and blow it up. I think that fire in, can't have fire in space.

It's going to be pricey, though. Boom. I would just have, like, to have my body floating around space for all eternity. And then an advanced civilization discovers it. And they reanimate me, they put me in a zoo. And then they put like another human being in the zoo. Now I have a friend. yeah that's cool also to think like space is a vacuum does that mean your body would be pretty

well preserved for a long time oh yeah that's what i'm thinking now yeah but i also have seen total recall and when the body on mars is out in the open the eyes bulge out oh yeah that happens in a lot of movies well there's also three boobs in total recall right that's very true bill yeah so can't believe everything the triple boob yeah it's a great great scene all-time scene um speaking of boobs. You guys see Lauren Bobert get kicked out of the movie theater? Lauren Hubert? Yeah, Billy's right. She was kicked out of a movie theater. It was a production.

It was a musical. They were doing Beetlejuice the musical in Denver. And she was asked to leave because she was allegedly vaping, taking pictures and videos, carrying on, talking, laughing, just creating a disturbance. So they kicked her out. And they released all the surveillance footage of her being escorted out of the premises. wood wood oh bonk wood

yeah look at the video I was does her tip fall out I was blown basically I was blown away okay yeah say what you want

about her policies but or about going to I think I think yes the musical I mean she she really pulls off

the um shades look to like the come on my glasses glasses she's got those I'm sorry what are those

exactly come on my glasses glasses yeah those are like you know they're like porn star glasses those they just look like any glasses bro no not donnie's in glasses some girls can just wear normal glasses and then some girls are clearly wearing the come on my glasses glasses i think oh you know it is it's if a girl makes you horny then that's that she's wearing come on my glasses there's just glasses you know what guys we're getting way too horny on this podcast i think it's the past okay

I was just saying, like, shout out Lauren Bobert. I think that I'll hear her out. I'll be an active, active listener for any ideas that she has to run by. Wait, do you guys, do you guys remember when California passed that law where porn stars have to wear goggles during facials? I don't remember that. No, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, no, no. This sounds like a billy. Nope, this is, this is from the crazy parts of the internet.

How are they going to regulate that? Precisely. I don't know. Uh, yeah, this was back in 2015, California porn stars might be forced to wear eye goggles and scenes. This is in GAU. Might be. So they weren't. It was so I guess they, it never happened.

But just checking up on it, it's close to eight years ago. But I remember close to eight years ago and didn't happen. Right. But I was just figuring out if it happened. All right. As asking questions. We got to the bottom of it. Um, speak about asking questions.

The, uh, the macrodosing group chat really popped off this morning early, early style. I'm talking 6.49. I'm muted. I'm muted y'all. I kept fucking, I woke me up. Mad Dog sent a video to the chat, and it's a clip of an alien hearing in Mexico, where they exposed the alien bodies that the Mexican government allegedly had. And I'm just going to read from the group chat. Mad Dog says, um, from the aliens community on Reddit, aliens revealed at UAP Mexico hearing. Billy says, yeah, I saw that. Madeline says, is it real?

I'm about to post. I don't want to be clowned. Billy says, definitely post. I'm going to do a TikTok on the macro account with it. Madeline says, thank you. And then Billy says, actually, it may be fake. Between 650 and 651, he said, definitely post. I'm going to do a TikTok.

Actually, it may be fake. And if Billy says something may be fake, it's definitely fake. So I got all the clicks. We got all the views from entertaining it for a second. But now we're going to get even more clicks and more views. because I know it's a hoax and I'll tell you why. Yeah. Okay. Uh, so those war, it isn't actually the Mexican government who is in possession of those

bodies. It's a group of scientists who alleged that they found them in Peru and those scientists are kind of Mexican, like, this isn't their first rodeo saying stuff like this. Uh, as, you know, but because it's all in Spanish, no one was really able to discern what was going on. And then I think those scientists are popular in Mexico for like being UFO guys. But back in 2018, so those mummified bodies, there were similar ones found in 2018 in Peru, but they were found to be hodgepods of mummies from like the Incas, children who are like restructured to have three fingers to have weird setups and their hoaxes.

So this isn't the first time they've done this. It's just the first time they've been able to get it in front of Mexican Congress. So the scientists, the body of like South American scientists took these and brought them to Mexico and then Congress allowed them to testify. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. And with all the new like whistleblower stuff in the U.S., it's probably been taking more seriously. um but they do have some pretty crazy scans of these bodies but i think i'm pretty sure they're hoaxes and just peruvian because you know how the incas used to you know leave children as sacrifices

up in the mountains in like uh ceramic pots and stuff as sacrifices to the gods yeah everybody knows yeah uh but so there's they find a lot of these small mummified children that have just been died and mummified on top of mountains these were some of them i and they might have done some modifications to give them the three fingers uh you know remember if you guys did you see indiana jones in the crystal skull yeah i didn't see that one there was this head binding technique that the inkins practiced where they like would put boards around their baby's heads to make them elongated and look like aliens and you'll see this in a couple of cultures because they think that it makes them more intelligent but it looks like an alien shaped skull so that could be

the explanation for why the skulls are shaped a certain way um but yeah i did entertain it to get clicks uh but at the end of it i said definitely a hoax so they had like a scientist who claimed like we only like can identify maybe like 30% of the genes or something because they did DNA samples they're like we recognize 70% or something or we recognize 30% of the genes and the other 70% we like haven't seen in an animal before but I mean that person could just be trying to sell it yeah as real I mean if you can't identify 70% of it like you can't identify like 100% of the DNA, you know, in a piece of paper. You know what I'm saying?

Like they're what, like 98% identical DNA to chimpanzees? I think we're like 30% identical DNA to sunflowers. Yeah. It's a pretty big gap. Our DNA, yeah. If you're 30% identical to something in terms of DNA, it basically just means you have carbon, like your carbon-based life form. Now, if like you were going to try to sell these as real aliens to one government, I think,

Mexico is a good choice because the Mexican president actually posted a photo of what he claims was a Mayan elf. Not too long ago. This was February 27th, 2003. He claimed to have seen an elf. Here's the photo. I guess he just like posted this. He was like, dude, check it out. I saw like, I saw an elf. That's awesome. In my backyard. So I think he's fully on board with, the supernatural also i i go back to when all the whistleblowers came out like two months ago three months ago in the united states saying like okay yeah we've we have extraterrestrial bodies we have aircraft that we've studied i feel like we just did that to let other countries think that we have alien technology so they're like oh shit the united states has a leg up on us we got to

find some aliens of her own i think mexico is very smart to be like we actually have the bodies and here they are they're first to market so now it's going to be like a Mexican thing good for tourism I just probably sell tours of these bodies that they found yeah it literally looks like the first thing everyone here made in ceramics class when they were in like third or fourth grade yeah like kind of like ET like a kindergartener make trying to make ET yeah if you were to power rank the scariest looking aliens and movies like fictional aliens what do you think what do you think would be at the top of that all easy arrival what's that

I think it's most realistic They're like giants Hawkeye The Hawkeye dude from Avengers I don't know anything Jeremy Renner There you go And Amy Adams

There you go And so they like They're octopeds And so they're like Looks like kind of like squid But they're just like huge And to me that's like Like this I think it's the most realistic

If alien life I don't think alien life Force would take on our body Like all that This is why this alien shit is bullshit It ain't gonna look like this But they look like they have like tentacles and arms and they write oh they write and what is it linear time or something like that fire fire movie but anyway they're the scariest to me heptopods

heptopods right now this is this is very very scary yeah oh yeah i was i was thinking i feel like i feel like remember i've said this before like we don't know you have to say it first I think the the bipedal human-like but reptilian-looking aliens, if they did exist, they also evolved on Earth. And they've just been chilling alongside us, but probably living in caverns deep below the surface. This is the one thing that you absolutely, like you really think this is a thing.

All the other bullshit you'd be saying, you'd just be like entertaining. you really you really think this shit yeah yeah yeah yeah we've only explored 10% of the ocean yeah what about the aliens and signs what do you guys think about those uh no i thought they were i thought that one scene in the movie was like incredible like that's probably my favorite alien scene in a movie the birthday party in in brazil yeah and then they they pan up because that's the reveal of the alien just walking by very scary yeah that might be my favorite scene

but in terms of just like appearance wise a quiet place those aliens yeah pretty scary the Tomorrow War with Chris Pratt and then also a very underrated alien movie Life with Jake Gillenhall yeah it was just like the little

thing right? Yeah it starts off as the little thing and then it keeps on growing and growing I gotta be honest Cloverfield was terrifying that was scary too I mean just because like it was so goddamn big and that movie scared the shit out of me the way he was shot just going back to the aliens

and signs real quick because that scene is terrifying but if you look at a screenshot of the aliens and signs it's very funny they look ridiculous they look absolutely ridiculous that's what a cgia was kind of new it and then yeah it's become a meme of the one that's in the kitchen yeah it's just kind of looking off to the side so it's what that movie is much better watch and not like pause, if that makes sense. I mean, even then, I love how like, it's fucking left glasses of water that kills the alien all. Yeah. It's like, why did they want to take over a planet that's like 90% water if water's their only weakness?

Swing away. Matter of fact, that shit was whack as fuck. His thing starts hitting glasses with baseball bat, bro. These things are traveling millions of light years to get here and these things get off by tap water, bro. of bro. Let's turn a hose on them. I forgot how wet this or what. You know what scene that signs flash reminds me of?

You know like episode seven of true detective that like flash where Reggie Ladoos walking across the street, the the screen with a gas mask on? Mm-hmm. How terrifying that ending scene was where it freezes. Yeah. I feel like if you show something scary, that's in either in the background or just like very very fast it's a great cinematic tool to make it way more interesting than it actually is maybe is that just pose like scares us from like a

primal place like where they're like in the midst of walking you know what I'm saying like almost the big foot pose yeah that uncanny valley did you all see that shit they um they balanced that video they used like AI to balance that big foot video that the one big foot video that the one big foot video that we know as a hoax, but it looks, it looks the most realistic where he turns, and he turns around and looks back and keeps pushing. They balanced it and it looks so, it looks so fake now. What do they do?

So what do you mean balance it? So like they use, I know some kind of technology to it, because like the camera's shaking when you're on the original one. And so it looks like very believable. So you pretend there's a tripod sitting there and he comes in the frame and walks and you can just tell it's fake as shit. Watch, let's see, that's how I find it. That's a shame.

The skunk ape is real. though what's that uh that's down in florida it's kind of the their version of bigfoot i mean it's just a feral florida man no but um actually i think the conspiracy behind that is i met skunk cape dave who runs the skunk cape research center down down in the everglades what are the odds uh and he did some time in jail for selling like a lot of marijuana i think he just invented the skunk cape to throw the police off his trail. So when like the cops show up and like, why does it smell like skunk over here? And he's like, oh, it must be the ape.

It's not the giant field of marijuana I have growing by my house. He's definitely the skunk ape. It's him. Yes, yes. Running through the wind. Woods, stone. Dave, Dave Shealy.

Is that skunk ape Dave? Yep. We should have him on the show. She's a nice guy. I don't think we've done a big foot episode or skunk ape episode. He would come on. he would actually be a great guest yeah i'll talk to him want to know more about the skunk cave i'm looking at the picture of it right now looks real i'm gonna you guys have you guys ever seen

missing 4-1-1 is that a youtube channel no it's this documentary that basically says that there's like a uh an interdimensional like apes big feet that live in all the national parks and they're abducting like the 411 people a year that go missing in national parks or have gone missing in the past 10 years are actually been abducted by these apes that live in tunnels underneath all the national parks but they're also kind of aliens and have interdimensional like powers that's why you can't get a picture of any of them I feel like there's a much more simple explanation for why people go missing national parks Yeah, but you know, that one, it's a wild documentary because it like seems rational up until the last 10 minutes when they're like, there's beings out there and you can't take pictures of them and they might travel through space time.

So you like can't see them, but they're abducting the children and eating them or making them feral with them. It's a wild take. It's a wild take for sure. Just look it up. what else what else we want to get into that uh do you see the man hunt for the convicted murder yeah we got him his escape i mean his escape was ingenious crab walling crab walking up the wall like you did that was so what crab walked up a wall yeah so there's a video he's at the door to like outside where like the yard is and there's what looks like it's some sort of duct or something You can't even really tell what it is.

It's a hallway. It's a hallway once you get outside, but with no roof over it. So once you walk out of this door, there's a brick wall on your left. There's a brick wall on your right that leads you out to the main yard. And those two brick walls are approximately, I would say, like six feet apart. And so he had somebody looking out for him. And then he puts his hands on one of the walls. And then he puts his feet on the back wall and then using his hands and his feet as leverage.

He walks up the wall horizontally. Okay. So that's how he ended up getting. I don't know what he does once he gets to the top. We don't see that. That seems like it would be a tough transition to make. But yeah, he basically, he Alex Honnold's his way out of this prison. This is why.

All the time growing up, like in between doorways, you crawl up. Yeah. Yeah. Spider-Man. Seems like a pretty serious design flaw for a prison. Yes, I would agree. But he's pretty short. So I was thinking like,

For him to stretch that whole hallway, it's not like other people couldn't have done that. He was just the first one to go for it. Yeah. I mean, I guess all these parkour videos on YouTube and with all these prisoners who have access to YouTube through cell phones, like not a good mix. That would be terrifying if you fell from that position. Just like straight down. You'd be able to write yourself. I don't know.

I don't know if you could. Depending on how high the fall was, I guess. but so he got out he was on the run for how many weeks two weeks two weeks and they got them any idea how they got him i love that he was wearing a pitts or a philadelphia eagles well they've been spotting him on people's ring cameras he was going up to people's doors and stuff and one guy he uh like went up to a guy's house the guy shot at him and he somehow escaped with a rifle apparently yeah like got out with a gun he got caught on a trail cam which allowed them to pinpoint like a hunting trail cam which allowed him to like pinpoint his area then he had came into contact he broke

into a garage grabbed a 22 which isn't that dangerous of a gun like comparatively and he got shot out while running away but that's how they were able to pinpoint and like there was no way for him to escape once they got that location and then they caught him and did you see the them taking a picture with him like he was like a prized that was pretty wild it was it was it was A 22 is still pretty dangerous. I would say... 22. Yeah.

I mean, you're saying that's not a... I mean, I think just guns are dangerous in general. Unless it's like a... Have you ever seen the size of a 22? It's basically, you can buy pellet guns that are 22 caliber. But those shoot pellets. He had a 22 that I assume shot real bullets. Like, it's a pest gun.

It's like to take down rabbits or raccoons, maybe a coyote. Are you saying you can't kill nobody with a 22? Yeah, like target shooting or in small game. Like a 22 would hurt like, but unless you like got hit, it would blind you, but unless you like got hit like right in between the eyes or like in, like I don't think you could. Your neck if it hit like you hit an artery. I don't think you're correct on this, man. I think I think you can kill somebody with 22.

I think you can't. how dangerous is a 22 bullet I mean I don't know it says right here it's easily capable of killing or injuring humans it's definitely not the not the most dangerous gun but you would rather a convicted murderer

not have one on the loose I think that anybody that gets anyone that gets arrested in the United States should have to wear a shirt of their favorite sports team as they're getting their picture taken that's what I would like to see it'd be so funny just just for

the memes that would come out of it. I think the Eagles was perfect for this guy. It was really great. Like they're surrounding him and he's like, go birds. There's also a great compilation video on YouTube of people that are being arrested in Alabama. Yes. Saying Roll Tide as they're being like walked past TV cameras or are like put into the back of a cop car. Roll Tide.

Roll Tide. I saw a TikTok today of a guy who has been in prison talking about what they do to people who have tried to escape, let alone actually escaped and gone on the wrong. run for two weeks and it sounds pretty bad what do they do he was like so they'll put you in he'll be in like solitary confinement forever yeah and they're like the guards obviously like he's made a fool of them so they're gonna make his life as difficult as possible he's like they'll turn not only the heat on in your cell in the summer but they'll put pepper spray into the vents and so it pumps pepper spray into your cell and like uh all sorts of other stuff and like you can shower

or once a week and like they're like he'll never go outside again like it was all this crazy shit i was like obviously i i guess if you think you can escape maybe you you take your chances but it sounds like a pretty rough next 50 years or so it does that seems pretty bad and i guess the guards are probably embarrassed by the entire thing because the entire country is like looking at your prison like yeah i mean he made a fool i assume he'll go to a way worse prison now too I mean, with heat sensor cameras and drones, there's really no way to hide anymore. Like, you can run, but you really can't hide.

Cover yourself in mud, like predator. Yeah. I mean, if you just, if you like shave your head to start wearing completely different clothes, shades and a hat, maybe a wig. But getting access to that stuff is going to require you to show yourself. Yeah.

I think the move would be you would have to break out prison and hopefully it was like near some sort of a train station and then you hop on a train and then you get then you get off in a major city and you rob you steal like some cash and then you just blend in in the city i think that's the only way that you can do it one all the train stations have cameras at like the brake stations that are like actually looking for people riding because cameras are so cheap nowadays in like monitoring systems they'll see you on the train and be like hey we got them well you jump off before it hits the station you got to go across the border to mexico you think that would work well it worked because there was this uh dude caught in china

he'd been working as a teacher in china for 10 years and he had uh murdered his wife in south Carolina. And I guess right after murdering his wife, he just fled to the border, made it across the border, and then flew from there to China. Maybe got a new passport in Mexico before. And then, like, he was, yeah, he just, like, worked and got off for 10 years. And the only reason he was caught is one of his former Chinese students was then going to college in the U.S. and just decided to randomly peruse America's Most Wanted list and was like, wait, that was my teacher when I was in China. That's crazy. Yeah.

I'm going to go to America's Most Wanted List right now and see if we know anybody on there. Yeah. But that probably, that guy probably had time because no one knew he'd killed his wife. Yeah. I mean, he at least had a little bit of time, maybe at most like a day before. I mean, think about this. I mean, actually, I don't want to talk about how you'd plan that. But like the idiot, remember the idiot from your town who killed his wife?

Yes. And like totally did a terrible job covering it up. Yeah. Well, so the thing is he got caught for all of his Google searches. Even if he had turned on incognito mode and did those searches, Google still has access to like to everything that you look. So incognito mode's not actually that. It's not incognito from the cops. Yeah.

No, not at all. As I found out. So you really just can't use the internet if you're, like, on the run. And your router has all your history, no matter how many times you delete it. I'm looking at the most wanted list right now. I don't recognize anybody on there, unfortunately. That's good. Billy probably does.

What kind of people we got on there? We have a couple sex traffickers. We've got this one lady that was arrested for fraud. Or that was, she's been indicted on fraud. It looks like she ran some sort of a Bitcoin. scheme. That's on the most wanted. I mean, you know.

Alleged leadership of a massive fraud scheme that affected millions of investors worldwide. All right. I mean, yeah, that's serious stuff. But, you know, she's from Bulgaria. She's definitely back in Bulgaria right now. She may have had plastic surgery. Yeah, I feel like the move is you escape from prison, get to a city, blend in and the city, get to Mexico. And once you hit Mexico, Ecuador, or Belize.

The thing is in Mexico, I was reading, like from watching crime shows, they have like a couple miles south of the border. They have like checkpoints looking for that kind of stuff. There should be a town in Mexico that is just like is known for being for fugitives. I mean, the town from Shawshank is pretty famous. I think it's just directly east of Mexico City. On the water. Sayo what to Neo. San Juan Tenoo.

Is that a real city? I have no. Yeah. I recently met a dude. I'd assume they used the name of a real city. Do you think it's a lot easier for an American to sneak into Mexico than for a Mexican to sneak into America? Yeah. Yeah.

Because apparently that teacher in China, they just found his car parked near the border. He just parked somewhere and ran across. they're not really looking for people coming from that direction yeah it would be hard to get back for him though i'm pretty wait um what are we waiting for bill it what you got no because i'm i remember watching a tv show if that if they know there's a fugitive going south to mexico they'll set up roadblocks like in mexico to try to find them i would park my car outside the border of mexico then i would get on a train go up to Canada. Oh, yeah.

Well misdirection. That's the move. Or park your car at an airport somewhere and then just leave the airport. Stay in the city. Yeah, stay in the city. And that's where. Stay right by the police station. Yeah, you can get by, become a cop. That's what Blue Street. Blue Street was about. Oh, yeah?

Martin Lawrence, he hit a diamond in an old, like they were doing a diamond heist, and he hit a diamond in an old warehouse that they stole. and it was like, I'm going to come back after I get out the box. He came back. It was a police station. So he had to become a cop. Holy shit, guys. This is even cooler than I thought.

There's a group called gringo hunters in Mexico. Let's go. That hunt the fugitives could have been anywhere. They hunt suspects that might have fled to Mexico. Gringoes is what Mexico is called white people. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking what?

they it's it's a pretty it's a term of endearment yeah I wouldn't take offense they used to call me gringo at the job site in high school I would love to

hop a train at some point in my life maybe not in America I know it's common in some other countries it's pretty damn dangerous so many people lose their legs yeah well i would hop on while it's not moving i just want to like sneak into a train yard

and then like hiding a cargo cart i feel like i could get away i feel like i can get away like if i'm getting hunted or you know what i'm saying like am a fugitive i feel like i can get away what would you do i don't know i feel like there's so many ways to be inconspicuous and people be doing the dumbest shit when they're on the run but your your face is everywhere people know what arian foster looks like that's true Yeah. I can go like, um, I would, I would, I would, yeah, I don't know. But also just, even if nobody knew what you looked like, you can't have any electronics

whatsoever, can't have a credit card. That's easy. It's not as easy as you think. I don't think, I think it is, man. I really think it is. Okay, so you, you jump over the prison walls. You're in prison clothes. Where am I at?

What state? What city? Where am I? Let's say where this guy was. It was in Philadelphia. Okay. Or, or, I don't know if it was in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. I don't know. I think it was outside Philly.

All right. So you're in prison, close. Okay. Can't use a phone. Can't get yourself on camera. Can't like, you don't have a credit card. So that's not a problem. But like, what do you do? It depends on what's my immediate surroundings. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like first things first, you got to change clothes. So you got to get out of them shits.

And so you got to find like a thrift store or Ross or something like that, you know, I got, They can make it happen. It depends on what's around me. You know what I'm a survivor, Big T. I can make it happen. This guy's piece of shit scumbag, obviously very glad he's back in prison. But just two weeks, like, that's kind of insane. Mm-hmm.

I don't know. Because, like, the news cycle is so, it's just so much going on that, like, I didn't even know the dude was on the run. You know what I mean? Like, how many people are actually looking for them? Oh, this was a massive story. But, I mean, that's what I didn't, though. there's millions of people out here would just like me were like I didn't know

we were looking for anybody like so like they alert you in the area like schools were shut down that's what I turned all that shit even if it was happening here I wouldn't know but I would say there's millions of people like me who are just like oblivious to that kind of shit

no okay no but think about this like if it was in your area and they like they shut down schools like they did in eastern Pennsylvania you'd find out if your kids couldn't go to school a wise school shut down They shut down They shut down schools

They shut down What was his crime What was his crime? What did he do? Murdered his girlfriend stabbed her like 40 times Why would they sit down schools So he doesn't

That's not how murder works No But you think it's rational You think this guy Would rashly not kill a child Just because So crime is proximal. Like the majority of murders are people that you know. Like they it's not like there are some

people who are serial killers, right? But that's that's not the majority of murder. So this dude's in jail for murdering his girlfriend. Odds are he's not going to go to a school right kill a bunch of children. But fugitives on the run tend to take hostages to make demands. Yeah. And schools are perfect place to hold helpless people hostage. I also think what yeah, what could happen would be like he's going to be stealing cars and shit. So and he's going to be looking for food. And he's going to be looking for he's going to be looking for money so he's going to break into houses robin is definitely a thing yeah yeah he could shoot somebody in a house he's got five stars yeah he's got five stars i don't think he's gonna be like stay inside he's not gonna be like

going down the street and just shooting random civilians and yeah i don't he could cause some trouble in other ways yeah can i share my favorite scumbag filly story of all time i would love that yeah uh so there was this robot called hitchpot that they created and it was a hitchhiking robot and it had done trips like all around europe around parts of the u.s and then it was doing some trip down the east coast started in boston and like a couple hours after it made it to philly some people just beat their shit out of it yeah the hitch bar is awesome like it had lasted so long and it was like some like beautiful social experiment people would like pick up the robot drive it drop it off somewhere and it worked everywhere it

except for Philly when they immediately just beat the shit out of it. That's like that tore it to pieces. That's like that tweet like me and my friends would have killed E.T. with hammers. Yes. If you saw E.T. I mean, E.T was terrified. He might be one of the scariest aliens. Yeah.

If you saw a low, why would you move so slow, he didn't go do shit? That's why. Because you'd beat the shit out of it If you're scared I would I would not engage with it If I was scared

All right so Aaron Aaron Big T Or not big T ET ET shows up at your door Rings your doorbell I'll show up at his door

You answer the door I'll whip your ass And E T's there You open the door And you see E T just chilling there Trying to come into your house Yeah it makes his little noise

You tell me You wouldn't punch him in the face First of all He's like, what, four feet, right? So I'm looking down at him. And he knows to ring my doorbell. So he's somewhat civil, right? So I answered the door and say, what's going on, little man?

You're doing this in theory. You're doing this in theory. In real life, you get scared. If a weird looking thing rings my doorbell, I'm like, what's up? My first, I'm not a violent human being. My first inclination is not to kill the full foot being. No, that is a lie. you're that is a lot you're gonna tell me about me no no i've seen your reactions on the football

field that's i'm playing football you'd react efficiently entirely different it's a high it's a high i'm not the same cat on the football field as i am outside okay well let's say you open the door and there's a bear trying to get it what do you do why is a bear ringing my doorbell because it it actually pushed it trying to push into your house because it's hungry hungry bear no No, but like, you're telling me you're going to open the door and not like be like, ah. The premise was this sentient four-foot being presses my ring. If he's ringing my doorbell, he's sentient. There's so many things that can ring your doorbell that aren't.

There has been intelligent. Nothing that is not sentient that has ever ringed my doorbell, fam. So odds are, this is my doorbell. This is y'all's scenario on my doorbell. Has an alien ever ringed your doorbell? That's the stupidest shit you've ever asked. I know. but where this is a hypothetical new new question let me rephrase the ringing the doorbell that gave you they gave you convening out you're walking down the street yeah right you're walking down the street you and your daughter walking on the street you just had a lovely meal at popadose you had why am i walking first of all it's the houston it's hot as shit why are you walking because you're a human it's too hot to walk anywhere in this city in texas people don't walk we don't walk bro we except for maybe in austin and go from a to be there's no why i don't go to your car okay you didn't like you didn't like to walk you're

Let me finish. You just finished out. You sit down the street. Okay. I'm not walking no mile to no fucking quarter mile. You and your daughter are going to your car. You had a great meal. You're turning a corner because your car is parked three car links down.

On the left hand side, you're making a left hand turn. You're going around a building. And E.T. is just standing there. Right when you turn around the corner, E.T.'s there just looking at you. You got a hoodie on? E.T. No, he's nude. He's wearing.

just his birthday suit. It's just a little wrinkly old four foot thing. And you're telling me that you would not protect your family. I'm picking my daughter. I'd be running. I would drop kick him. But it's not trying to attack you. Yeah, but you're scared.

You get startled. I would be, yes. You're discounting the startled. I would run away and call animal control. That's probably what I would do. I'd take dog treats out of my pocket. Give you some bacon strips. You have just dog treats in your pocket?

Right now you got dog treats in your pocket? Uh, no. No, because I changed after I took Blake out this morning. No dog treats. It would be so pissed if you tried to feed it a dog treat. It only likes Reese's pieces. I know. You know what I saw that was like freaky the other day?

And Hubs is my witness saw it as well. So you know how in the office, you know, you walk downstairs and there's just the middle of the avenue. And like you can see right out into the street in the big doors. yeah let's say that we know exactly what you're talking about in the in the new york office there was just a super jacked dude without a shirt on standing in the middle of the avenue staring directly

into the office just standing here looking like this like like he was like uh uh like a villain in a video game and it was like if you walked out the door it was going to be like fighter on was he like pulsing just yeah yeah and i was just like i was just like i was just like i walked down i was like it's the man in the cave he's here did you go punch him no but why not why not because he was just a homeless guy and so i don't know what was doing right why didn't you punch him because no but it was you just don't punch shit randomly i get no no but he wasn't right in front of me

he didn't pose a threat once i walked out the door but it was just like it was one of those scenes where you walk up and you're like are you is this like am i about to be on punked yeah seems like a prank video yeah and he was just standing like and i was like oh my god it's the man man in the cave. He's finally come to get me. Aaron, you would be startled. And in that startled rush of adrenaline you would get, you would defend your family.

You would punch E.T. in his face. So fight or flight only happens in certain scenarios, right? And in that scenario, I don't think my fight would trigger. I would do flight because I don't know what it is. And I don't fuck with nature in general. Like dogs, bears, whatever, moose. mice, I don't care I don't fuck with nature

I just leave nature alone and so my natural instinct is to run away just go away I'm not gonna fight something I have no idea what it is this is not my nature would you shut the door

I thought I was I thought I was in a popadose parking lot what do we I got missed up Billy mentioned punked though I've been getting a lot of punked clips on TikTok

that show was awesome It was great wasn't It was good stuff So good Should bars still do its own version We should start punking I feel like we have the resources. Yeah.

Friends of Barstool. It seems like it's just a Tommy Smoke special way to happen, right? Yeah. Well, they punked Mincy. This could be the control show. Yeah. He was punked. I mean, and that was a smash hit.

Just. I really wouldn't appreciate getting punked. To my way, we job to end bomb. They punked him? You would have to like, now it does not take too much to punk Mincy. But if you wanted to punk some other people in the office, you would definitely have to invest a little more time and money. But I think it could be done.

Yeah. John Rich trade up stocks, people. He does. And he investigates them. But I'm always looking at my shoulder for John Rich. He was going to stock someone at the company, and it was vetoed by Dave, I heard. Who's that? We'll bleep it.

It was a. I'd like to punk Frank. Just like wait outside Penn Station and be like, trains to lay. two hours Frank was punked the other day when he thought Fidelberg was Rohn's dad because Fidelberg just had like a bald wig on.

Yeah. Oh my God. Who would be the hardest to punk, do you think? Who's just like to... Me. I keep too many tabs. I think maybe because Billy's just so paranoid.

like when we were at that Trump protest and stuff you thought everyone there was about to start like a riot and so I feel like you're you're always on edge you always feel like someone's trying to fuck with you Big T would be very difficult to prank

because you'd be like this is stupid I mean it depends yeah like I'm generally a skeptical person but I it depends what it is like yeah you'd be very difficult to punk also depends who's doing it like Dave could punk anyone.

Right. Because if Dave comes up and tells you something, you would assume that's true. But that's, that just wouldn't even be funny, though. Right. That's, that's, that's terrorizing people, right? Like, your boss is right here. Like, that's, that's not cool. Well, that's what, like, that's what I'm saying.

Dave could do it easily. Billy could not. Yeah, he don't have a good poker face either. Billy Young got a poker face, though. Oh, we're talking about, I wouldn't be able to punk somebody? Mm-mm. That's fine? Yeah.

I would only be able to get punked by people that I don't, like, normally interact with. So if there was, like, someone else at the comedy that all of a sudden came up to me, I'd be like, this must be serious because I rarely talk to you. But also, it can only happen, like, once. Because once the footage comes out of one person getting punked, then this, the guy's doing the punk. And now everybody looking at you like, mm, you ain't going to get me. But, you know, sometimes they're not involved. Like, Tommy Smokes wasn't involved in the Mincy thing.

I don't, I said, I didn't see that. I don't know. you'd have to do a full season of it before you released it because then people start to think that maybe this is happening to them you could also just punk non-barstow employees but friends of the company yeah yeah guess that you've had on pardon my take yeah that that that yeah yeah marlins man he'd be he'd be so easy i saw him the other day he's still going strong oh yeah he doesn't stop sitting behind home plate no quit no quit in that guy unless the game's in Cleveland in which case he won't go to Cleveland oh he won't no no because they're mean they're

very mean people to Marlins man in Cleveland guardians fans scum of the earth according to marlin's man has nothing to do with the fact that at the Cleveland stadium you can't see the people that are sitting directly behind home plate because he won't go there because the people are very mean to him very very nasty nasty city also shout out to dad dog who is at the brown's game made a little made a little video for me uh appreciate that dad dog i'm sorry i didn't see it until later on in the afternoon um but it was very funny what's that you were busy i was busy doing yeah watching let me let me play it real quick you you tweeted something about the browns i made fun of of disson watson i was like shocker something else nasty slipped out of the shan's hand

Once you come to town, catch a game. Hey, P.F. Our guys are looking okay. Once you come to town, touch the game. Once you come to town, catch a game. Yeah, Brown didn't look so bad. They didn't look bad at all. Good seats.

He's got those season tickets? No, he was a guest. Miles Garrett did something terrifying. Aaron, have you seen the clip of Miles Garrett rushing the passer from this weekend? The one he was pretending to cross over. Yeah. He was doing like crossover dribble moves with no ball, obviously, before the snap. And then he just crossed up the center and got into the backfield.

That dude is. I was like four minutes into the game. He's a terrifying athlete. I don't even think he was pretending cross-off. I think he was just dancing. No, he had like it doing like a basketball like between the legs. Yeah. Jeez.

Erie, did you ever think that you were like, did you ever put yourself into like a basketball mindset when you had the ball like you were crossing somebody up? Oh my God. at UT, dog. So I redshirted, so I registered, right? So I just did, like, the best I could because when you registered, it's like you just basically a scout team, so you just kind of like a dummy, right? I was never good at that. So I was all like, y'all going to have to, y'all going to fill me.

And so I was playing against the ones again. And so I'm true freshman. And so I think it was like either zone or sweet, but I'm on the outside. And I shake somebody. I forget who it. It might have been K. It was. Barnett, shook him, and then another guy's

come in, and I stepped my foot around, and I put the ball behind my back. Oh, shit. And it was so smooth on film, it looked fire, but the coaches got fucking pissed on the city. You will never touch the field if you do that stupid shit. It was fired, though, bro. It was fire.

Can you track down that film? It's got to be. So our camera dude is actually, when I was there, Joe, I think he's with the Raiders now, but they have rooms and Rooms Fuller said it would be it would be I know it was practice it was on defensive practice field 04 so if it's there they'd have to dig in the archives but I'm much I'll try

I'm going to I'm going to the Texas A&M game I'll see if I got it I'm also going to I'm also going to go get my mugshot I'm going down in Knox County yes I'm going to go yeah we're going to sell t-shirts with Aaron Foster's mugshot on it let's go I'm going to sell T-shirts I'm not let bars still make a dime off my fucking hell no we'll see about that yeah we will i just want the picture i said it to you when i get it though i'd like a shirt too but i found the i found the i found the arrest story bobifino dot com that'd be a that'd be a sick shirt to wear to a ut game yeah would that would just like uh just the aryan mugshot were you uh i guess

they didn't make you wear like jail clothes did they um i think i was yeah Yeah. No, I was in pinstrives. I spent the night in there. Yeah. Oh, it wasn't orange. If it was orange, it'd be better. No, it was pinstripes, which is, wow, I didn't, I didn't think pinstripes were a thing. And then I went to the jail and everybody held on pinstripes. Yeah, I remember when, when Mike Vick got arrested and he went before the judge for the first time and he was wearing pinstripes in a courtroom. And it was like, I thought this was only in cartoons. Yeah, I thought it was a movie thing. I thought now it was like an orange jumpsuit.

I've seen like navy blue, different places. Okay. The orange jumpsuit makes sense because then it's harder to hide it is. Yeah, when you make a jail bridge. Well, except in Knoxville. Not easier to spot you. Oh, yeah. This is why you couldn't punk anybody.

Your face, when you say a joke for it, it's like, I, like, everyone, whenever, whenever I'm I'm not a lie. Like, people think, like, whatever I tell a playful lie, I think that I'm, that I'm lying. It's just because it's like, I find it funny because, like, I'm lying the whole time. I'm communicating it the whole time. And, like, I communicate that. And that's almost telling the truth. It's, it's.

It's actually on you You're not realizing that I'm lying Like I'm you can read my face like a book Like I'm telling you the whole time That it's a lie Yeah but then like that's happened And I've been like Billy you're lying You're like okay well I was trying to be interesting

So When I tell a playful lie That's hilarious I love it I love you Billy The only time I got arrested I know they took a mugshot and then I was like a week later

I was like that must have been a hilarious mug shot but I never got a copy so I went back to the police station I was like could I get a copy of my mugshot and they were like do you get the fuck out of here but it's got to be public record though yeah it's yours you can get it I know it's paid for that camera

yeah what the fuck I can't believe we can't find it like because their public record it should and it got expunged it got expung so Oh, that's probably why. But they have it, though. I think I just have to go down to the courthouse or wherever. I mean, you don't know.

Did you have like a lawyer that was close with the program? Yeah. They may have gotten the whole thing wiped and thrown out. Yeah, back in the former days, we made things go away. Like, it could have very easily just been thrown, like the final been thrown away. That they couldn't get taken care of. But the little things, it's like when Jeremy Pruitt was the coach. one of the players got pulled over

and he was like arguing with a cop I think he didn't have a license or something and they called Pruitt at like two in the morning and Pruitt was like this is the silliest shit I've ever had to deal with everywhere else I've been this stuff doesn't happen basically saying it Alabama and Georgia like the cops don't do this

and it used to be that way in Knoxville and then we sucked for a while but hopefully now they're back on the take a little bit but I'm so mad we walk so that they can run I had a moped I took one of my What is that shit? I took one of my Pell Grants

One semester And I bought a moped It was like a thousand dollars And I was riding all around campus It was beautiful Because I didn't have to take the tea You know what I was just park a ride

aside the class It was beautiful man Then all of a sudden They started cracking down On people riding Because like other people started getting them Everybody started getting them And then they started cracking down

on people because you didn't have a helmet on and so if you didn't have a helmet they said no and then and then the police started getting into it with us and so the coachman is like everybody banned mopeds you can't write any mopeds and then but now everybody could ride both pads again and I was like it's

setting trends once again there you go Billy you said that you found the incident report yeah three voles arrested after altercation at nightclub November 5th 2006 not three a little bit I don't, I didn't kill anybody, bro.

We've read it before, I think. Yeah, yeah, because I remember you said nightclub and, and to me, it's like, how come if somebody gets arrested out of place, it's a nightclub, but if anybody else talks about, it's just a bar? It was a nightclub. Okay. It was, um, good, good fellas. Yeah.

Yeah, good fellas. Yeah. All right. We're going to track down this, this mugshot. Before we get into CIA talk, there's one other video I wanted to discuss. arian dropped this one in the group chat it kind of blew up yesterday but it's it's uh the property developer the commercial real estate guy tim gerner he's the one that was like all uh i think he he was the one that gave advice to millennials like stop eating avocado toast every day and you'll be

able to buy yeah remember that guy yeah uh he had an all-time video that came out at the property summit it was the financial review property summit where a bunch of commercial real estate people gave speeches and this guy was talking about how um the worker has gotten too uppity these days the american worker i guess international worker there's too too many worker rights things going on mental health days they feel like they uh they feel like that their employer owes them something not the other way around that they are working for the employer and so he said we need to see unemployment rise unemployment has to jump 40 50 percent we need to see pain in the economy we need to remind that they work for the employer, not the other way around.

Just like all-time cartoon villain shit that he's saying out loud. And he, the first reply to one of the tweets I saw was like, this guy is a sociopath. I actually think he is a sociopathic. I think like it's textbook sociopathic behavior for him to talk about these things that could happen. And just like use abstract numbers, like 40, 50 percent. They need to feel pain without like imagining what the real world translation of that would be. or somebody that is part of that 40, 50%, but it's crazy that he's saying that

out loud on a microphone in front of an audience while he knows that he's being videotaped. This dude, this dude isn't, he is an absolute sociopath. But I mean, that's the sentiment amongst a lot of people. They really feel that shit. Most of them lean right, I would say,

but that's the sentiment. But if you were like lean right, you don't want 40, 50% unemployment because like it's going to be riots in the street. You're just trying to You want law and order Well that's what I'm saying is like they

Like the right That's what's confusing me about right They're not very pro worker But they say that they're like pro Like middle class and they want to have a strong But it doesn't make sense because like they're They're super pro Ownership

Which is what this dude is he's saying Workers are lucky to have these jobs That these owners are giving to them And it's like no dog Like the Amazon don't work without these motherfuck fuck is in the warehouse people driving they don't work it's a great idea that don't work uh lucifer this dude he he builds and uh manages commercial real estate who do you think is making those buildings for him like he he just sits in the office and has a lot of money and then he's like okay

we're doing this project okay i'm going to move some numbers around a spreadsheet now i'm going to have more money and and but he's like these these lazy motherfuckers don't want to work anymore Yeah. For like when health care or when I like lunch breaks. It's crazy, man. Yeah, this guy's, this guy is nuts. He's worth $677 million. What's his name?

Tim Gurner. Tim? 600 M's, brer. 50% unemployment. There would be riots in the streets at that point. As there should be. That'd be crazy. I mean, you wouldn't have an economy at 50% unemployment.

True. Yeah, there'd be no. tax base either. Like it would, the country would cease to exist. What percentage was the depression? Probably like 20, 25. Yeah, that'd be bad. That'd be very bad if it was like 20%, 25% unemployment. What's that now? What's the economy under Sleepy Joe, Big T? Dude, it's, I think unemployment is it like five or six? I want to say. Ah, brother, it's an all time low. It's not in an all-time low. Yes, it is, brother.

It's an all-time low. Well, it may be... It's the lowest it's ever been for the longest it's ever been. They may have found a way... They may have found a way to finagle the numbers given that all the jobs that went away during COVID have come back. No, brother. It's at an all-time low.

It is what it is. Bidonomics, baby. The accounting on that is I will look into, but I guarantee you that's probably part of it. Wait, let's look into that. all right fact sheet i'm on i'm at whitehouse dot gov bytonomics at work they don't have a vested in 79 metro areas with record low unemployment rates talk that shit Biden talk that shit sleep is that the same white house dot gov that alters his quotes probably he brought up i'm not a fan

i'm i'm i'm the first one to criticize by them but there are some things that he's done that now it says it says Biden cherry picks unemployment record yeah new slash every every president ever it's the easiest thing to cherry pick they all do without a doubt you can go you can say like in in the last 20 years unemployment is down and then you look back 20 years and it was like a record month for unemployment yeah and then you compare it to that and you're like look how great I'm doing when being a cherry picker would be a great job for a president it's so easy big t you were right 25% was the unemployment rate in 1933 that is crazy yeah so 50% you would wouldn't have a country anymore. All right. So you guys want to get some CIA discussion? Oh, really quick. I have a tiny needle in my ear.

Okay. That sounds sick. I have to stop, man. No, I got the acupuncture treatment for the alpha-gal thing. And they literally stuck a tiny needle in my ear. And I can't even see it. But apparently it's going to cure me. Are we sold it on acupuncture?

Leave it in there. I, if this works, I'm absolutely sold because they're doing some weird shit and I can't even explain exactly what they did, but they like found a point in my ear and just stuck a needle in there. But like, if this stops me from getting hives after eating red meat when the allergist told me that I basically need to get an EpiPen and go fuck myself if I want to ever eat red meat again, like solutions are solutions. Like, I don't know how exactly it works. Does something to do with, like, pressure points and energy and maybe electricity? When are we going to know if it works? Also, I've never heard about acupuncture where you just leave the needle in. Usually, like, you leave it in for like 15 minutes or like an hour.

Me either. It's just there now. I'm going to have this in for three weeks. And so after three weeks, that's when you can start eating red meat and see it works. No, I can eat red meat right now, apparently. Oh, it sucks. the chicken wing well no i mean that's kind of good they said the first week like don't go crazy

but the chicken wing thing is like a good holdover it just is eliminating a week that i have to wait when's the last time you ate red meat i didn't know you couldn't eat red meat the last time i made red meat but if i do eat red meat i can but i have to take a ton of benedril and citrazine which is like i can't really do all the time because it'll make me sleepy but when's the last time you ate red meat the last time i ate red meat was Chipotle for dinner about two weeks ago, which had steak in it. And what happened? I took Benadryl and I only got a couple hives around my like waist or like the

clothes rub, but I haven't had any of the big blowups. So I, it's, yeah, it's probably been two weeks. Congrats, man. Well, I'm rude for you, Billy. Yeah. There's a video coming out. Shout out, Jetsky. Put it together.

It's going to be good. I'm going to try to show people who have also been afflicted with this terrible alpha-gal syndrome, how to beat it. You're not alone. Yeah, you're not alone. If I can do it, you can eat red meat again. Also, there's a report coming out from NASA today, if you're listening, on Thursday, September 14th.

There's a full report from the unidentified anomalous phenomena, independent study team. that's coming out at 10 a.m. Eastern. So maybe it's already come out by the time you're listening to this. UAP. The UAPs, yeah, NASA is releasing their full report, and then there's going to be a media briefing. Very excited to read that. Ain't going to be shit.

Probably not. Probably. It's going to be like, okay, there's some weather balloons. Move on. Move along. Now, can we have more funding, please? If NASA was smart, they would say that there's, like, yeah, we need to increase our budget.

so we can go find these motherfuckers and kill them. But NASA famously run by a bunch of very unintelligent people. So they won't. What was it? Japan. Didn't Japan just go land something on the other side of the moon or something like that? It was Japan. India did. India.

Yeah, there you go. Yeah. They, uh, yeah, they landed on the moon for the first time, I think. Dark side of the moon. And then Russia recently crashed on the moon. Oh, nice. Yeah. Like intentionally?

No. They were just trying to land normally. and they just crashed directly into it. So go India. Yeah, Russia. Ooh, Russia. Do you know what they, what they're doing? Do they send somebody or was it just like a probe?

I think they just want to join the fraternity of countries that have landed things on the moon. That's pretty dope, man. It is. Have we just realized that like it's kind of pointless to go back to the moon? It is not pointless to go back to the moon. Well, I think we're trying to shoot from stars We have realized that in the last like 40 years We haven't really done shit on the moon recently

But now we're going back I don't think it's pointless It's just I think the level of danger To send like a manned mission back to the moon Given like what we think we can learn It's uh It's politically not great Because if something goes wrong

Then they're going to blame the president for it And so I think that's that's what we've seen But we are we are going to send people back right? I don't know any plans currently I mean it could be I don't know but we should Mars I think China's got plans like a moon base

where they're just going to have people on the moon like at all times that would be fire yeah but it's definitely going to piss off America when China builds their base on the moon and see that's the thing I've said this before I was like yo leave earth stupid shit on earth man like if we if we in space

let's be peaceful let's let's let's greet the outside of the with our best not our politics and our bullshit leave that shit on earth man i feel you i mean amen there is a theory that the only way uh we hit like the space age is if we all unify against the common threat so the creation and propagation of possible aliens might cause a one world government and make us combine to then move amongst the stars as one humanity it's like that's a beautiful speech Billy beautiful fucking amped up that was like Bill Pullman in Independence Day

right there was great I I always sound like a globalist though I know that's what that's the they're like if you go in the deep parts of the internet trying to figure out whether these aliens are real you have a bunch of like far right guys going this is all part of the plan

they're trying to make things there's aliens so that we do globalism I liken it to training camp we've been in training camp here on earth and we're sick at hitting each other we need to now co-le and hit somebody else for once. That's what I said about the Civil War.

The reason why the U.S. was so good in World War I and World War II is because we had an inter-squad scrimmage. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. All right. Well, before we get to CIA stuff, it's brought to you by GameTime. I love game time.

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There we go. While we're waiting for Billy, can I pitch something? Yeah. I've been invited to an American football game in Uganda, November 13th. It's going to be Uganda versus Kenya. Yes. So if anyone in this room wants to join. What's the spread there?

I don't know. We'll have to check it out. apparently they're really trying to grow the game in Africa. That's cool. They're also going to have the DRC versus Zimbabwe, but they're only playing flag football. Kenya and Uganda are the only teams out there that have

been playing in full paths. That's November 13th. Yeah. Monday night football? Yeah. In Uganda? Is that a Monday night? It's a Monday night. I would love to go. I don't know if I can go during the football season. Yeah. But I would love to go and then go on a guerrilla track

as well. Oh, true. Yep. You can see the source of the Nile. I mean, PFT is the only one, I think, that I know on this planet that is perfectly down with, like, a 48-hour trip to the other side of the planet. 100%. What are the drug laws in Uganda? Can you look that up? I know you're not allowed to be gay there. Okay. Bang-ban. I know they're very anti-LGBQ. We should go over there and just kiss. If we just start, like, making out at halftime, that would be bad. statement that would be yeah we were talking about doing that at the

guitar world cup we were going to kiss in front of the stadium yeah but then yeah yeah well yeah remember what happens to the guy in the rainbow shirt oh yeah I don't think that was related but

but he did pass you think he mysteriously died yeah they released like the autopsy report his wife was talking about it. He had a illness and a pre-existing condition where it's like died of internal blood loss. Very sad. Very, very sad. So let's talk about the CIA for a little bit. So I talked about this on Tuesday's show a little bit, the new JFK thing that happened. But the CIA is now being directly implicated in the assassination of JFK. So some of the old theories are starting to make a little bit more sense how Lee Harvey Oswald was he was he defected to Russia for a while and he went

there through Finland and he had help getting into Russia we didn't really know how he got in the Soviet Union we didn't really know how we got there now there's a lot more things being brought back up unearthed about certain people that were in the CIA that were closely handling his file at the time and now it's a speculation that he came back to the United States and he was a double agent. So he was sent over to Russia as a CIA agent. He went to Russia and then he told them he was like working for them, but he was actually funneling intelligence back to the United States. Then he gets retrieved through his handlers back to the back to be extricated to the U.S. comes back over here, spent some time down in New Orleans. And then it

seems like, well, it was right around this time that the Bay of Pigs happened, and Kennedy pulled the plug on military support for the CIA's plan to invade Cuba, and the CIA was pissed at Kennedy, as were virtually every Cuban in America hates JFK because he was supposed to support their guys on the beach. The military didn't show up. They got slaughtered on the beach, and then Castro was emboldened because he was stood an invasion from the United States. The CIA was furious with Kennedy after that, furious with him. And the speculation is that they use JFK with some of his handlers that were high up in the CIA that were eventually put in charge of some of the investigations, that they used Oswald along with a partner to kill

JFK. And there's a, actually, I had never heard about this, but there was a super right wing general at the time down in Louisiana and it was General Walker and so Oswald who was purportedly a giant leftist teamed up with Robert Surrey who was like a fascist borderline Nazi guy and a bullet was fired into this general's house and they identified the bullet as coming from the same gun as the one that killed Kennedy. After that bullet was shot into this General's house, a witness watched a guy JFK and another person get into two separate cars and drive away from the scene of that shooting. And the speculation is that it was Robert Surrey, the fascist guy who was also working with the CIA, that teamed up with him. And then Operation

Northwoods came out later when they had to declassify a bunch of CIA documents. Operation Northwoods was the CIA plot to hijack an American airline. and then crash it, and then blame it on Fidel Castro, which would then prompt the United States people to support a war against Cuba, an invasion of Cuba. It was an actual CIA plan. Kennedy found out about it, said, fuck, no, we're not going to do this. But the same false flag sentiment could hold true for the Kennedy assassination where the CIA kills Kennedy, and then America teams up because we're like, oh, this guy was a communist that shot our president. Let's invade Cuba. It turned out that it didn't happen.

LBJ kind of put the kibosh on that a little bit. But the speculation is that was the plan. And given what just came out on Saturday about there probably being two shooters in it, people are talking about the CIA involvement more and more in the Kennedy assassination. Do you believe that? I think the CIA definitely, well, it's proven that they had a file on Lee Harvey Oswald that they kept very close tabs on way before. the assassination that seems that seems plausible though i mean a guy who killed the president like so

often the the fbi knew about the boston bombers before they did it yeah like they they had heard about them so like that seems plausible i just don't if the cia had a hand in killing the president some people would have to know about that yeah cia people like quite a few people or i assume that you would keep your circle tight but yeah people with very high ranking jobs would know about it seems very suspect to me. So one guy that was one of Kennedy's like close, or not Kennedy's, one of Oswald's close handlers at the CIA that kept the closest tabs on his file. And his file even going way back before he defected while he was over in Russia, his file was only viewable by like a very, very small amount of people. They kept it under high, high security levels. So it wasn't like a normal

file that the CIA would have on somebody it was like very restricted and I feel like I feel it's possible because the guy that was in charge of of maintaining like the closest watch over his file he was going to be asked to testify he was going to be subpoenaed and he shot himself right before the deposition or his testimony whatever that was where was bill Clinton where's Bill Clinton well good question I know that Hillary was involved with the whole Nixon prosecution not to not to or after the fact. She was probably around. Just asking questions. JFK was quoted saying he wanted to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it

into the winds. Yeah. So, yeah, he was very anti-CIA. A lot of presidents have been. Like, there's been a lot of talk over the past 40 years about disbanding the CIA. It's obviously, it's never made much progress. Yeah, what do you think? do you think i don't know billy i know that you did a whole fact sheet on the cia you want to start

at the beginning with us well uh if we want to start when it was created i mean a lot of the cia was inspired by uh british intelligence and that was something we the british were always we talked about world war two it was one with u s steel british intelligence and russian blood so the British for hundreds of years have always had great spies their empire was you know in the flow of information was integral to their empire so us Americans like a lot of our you know military habits we copied the British so in 1941 the Office of Strategic Services the OSS was established to help information in reconnaissance during World War II to do espionage, sabotage, and other covert activities. The history of spies in America dates back to the revolution where a lot of prostitutes were actually huge spies for the Americans

because, especially in New York City, because they used to eavesdrop in on officers who were on leave in the former New Amsterdam. But yeah, so we've always used spies. This was our first formal organization for the war effort. And then in July 26, 1947, the National Security Act is signed into law, which created the CIA. So, yeah, one of its first moves was to do something we've seen time and after again in the 20th century, was they overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran. in 1948 and installed a pro-American dictator and this was sort of the first of many types of

moves they did in the 20th century but that was sort of their origin I don't know if anybody else has any I just know like yeah past that era that like coup and Iran is kind of the origin story for why the Middle East just hates America so much yeah When they had just democratically elected this guy in America, like the CIA immediately said, nope, that's not going to work and then funded the coup. That was the shot, right? Yeah, they like they put someone else in power. Like, yeah, they kind of put the shop back in power.

And didn't the shot, Donnie, do you remember we did that, um, might not that extra dose on that party the Shah through? 1983 was it they had like the biggest party ever yeah it was the most expensive party of all time i don't know if it was his birthday party if it was like like celebrating the anniversary of the of the persian empire something like that it was the 2000 year old the 2000 year anniversary of the empire yeah but yeah in 1953 they overthrew uh the government of guatemala uh 54 they over through the government of the Philippines and in 59 they were trying to overthrow the government of Cuba and that's when they started training Cuban exiles 61 is when the Bay of Pigs

failed so the CIA you know was like basically doing the heavy lifting of our foreign policy during those post-World War two years when you know everyone was tied. of real hot war and we had this cold war going on and we executed you know trying to establish democracy and ensure the spread of communism didn't occur in post-World war two so that's where the CIA did a lot of their work and they you know i think the reason why the CIA sort of thought themselves to be so important and like that even though we had a democracy and elected uh leaders to make decisions on what america should do i think that their belief that their uh work was superior in ensuring capitalism spread in ensuring democracy spread because

democracies don't wage war on each other uh capitalism causes peace through trade that that superseded everything that uh superseded the u s constitution so why they might have killed kennedy they might have killed RFK because of their, you know, unwillingness to allow the CIA to sort of do their bidding across the world. Also, if you're a CIA agent, you probably feel like you're Superman because of spy movies. Spy movies have done a great job of, it's like propaganda for actual spies. It just makes you seem like you're the coolest person in the world, whereas in real life, you're probably behind a desk most of the time.

and then you're just like having a couple secret meetings here and there but there's like very few people that actually go boots on the ground like injecting people with poison yeah that'd be so sick though it would be sick wouldn't it that's like top five sickest job in the world you would think injecting people with poison well just being a CIA agent who's actually going out into the field doing cool shit yeah well like one of the professional athlete CIA agent um astronaut astronaut would be cool you have to be like that requires a lot of you know

I mean so is being a sea agent Navy SEAL astronauts aren't really doing too much these days either I met up with a dude I knew kind of in high school he played on a competing lacrosseam he's a Navy SEAL now and he just does crazy missions in Africa and then they just give Israel the credit for it just like to not cause international outcry it sounds like this guy should have kept his mouth shut i was going to say is he supposed to be telling you that and are you supposed to be telling us that i'll just tell billy billy won't say anything yeah uh yep okay well moving on in 1950 wait wait wait wait wait wait wait bill let's get back to talking about cool jobs i do feel i feel like being a spy would it seems like

it would be really awesome but i also feel like if you talk to cia agents which we will in a second. Some of them are probably just really bored. The movie Homeland or the TV show Homeland makes being a spy look like it's incredible fun and like Mission Impossible looks like incredible fun. I just don't know if it'd be that fun all the time. It's got to be pretty scary too. In some situations. Yeah, if you're one of the people, the knock list, was that non-official cover list? So the knocks are the actual spies like we think of spies. Most people that work for the CIA in counterintelligence, I feel like they're recruiters. Oh, yeah.

They go overseas under the guise of they have like a diplomatic passport or they might have like a fake cover job that they do over there. But they're officially like the, they're working for the U.S. government. And but then there are other people that are on the knock list with no official cover who are over there just kind of like on their own. Those are the, those are the people that you'll never ever hear about. Yeah. So the CIA recruits them to like to help.

with their objectives and then if they get caught then it's like all right you're fucked no one's going to help you there yeah there are those people and then there's people that like actually work and are from whatever country you're in okay and then you you develop relationships and friendships with them and you figure out a way that okay them working for you is more beneficial to their family or to them then them working for their actual government or their real job or whatever and then that's how you you make them like turn on people During the Cold War, a lot of teachers was their cover job because they'd go over because there was a lot of educational over like they'd send students to the U.S. The U.S. would send students to Russia and they'd be sending them with a lot of teachers.

So some of these teachers were actually CIA agents. I'd be so pissed off if I was if I was actually a teacher overseas and then like two people in every school were CIA agents. and then people would like they would just think that you were a CIA they would think you were a spy and I'd be like what the fuck I'm just over here trying to actually teach well that's actually happening with China now like a lot of Chinese graduate students in the US some of them are spies for China but now if you're just like a normal Chinese graduate student you're like God damn it everyone thinks I'm a spy yeah you're in like a class that teaches you how to build

semiconductors yeah but you just really want to learn how to do it like it's your job and everyone's like no you're sending this technology back for sure well technically don't all students now correct me if i'm wrong don't they all have to like students who go to school in the u.s from china don't they have to do some sort of like swear their allegiance to the ccp i don't know i mean wait so like before they leave yeah china for the u.s they need to like what like what are they or they won't be allowed to go I mean, is it just like a swear? What are they swearing on?

It's like, all right? Like that they'll like act in the best interest clubhouse type. Maybe they have to swear that they're not going to like defect to the U.S. They're just like, I'm going to go to graduate school in the U.S. and then come back to China because China doesn't, they don't want like a brain drain where all their smartest kids are just going to school in the U.S. and staying there. China forces students to pledge loyalty to CCP weekly.

I don't know if this is. You got to go. Is it like the Pledge of Allegiance? Yeah, you have to do this either every single day or like once before you go. You can't do it weekly. Mandatory Zoom meeting every Wednesday at three. You say, hey, you're still fucking with China. Correct.

Correct. The U.S. government, when we were looking for bin Laden, I don't know if it was, I think it was a CIA. We sent people door to door promoting vaccinations. Yes, I was reading about this. Because we were trying to find Bin Laden's DNA and make sure that it was actually him in there. So we had people posing as doctors or maybe we used actual doctors with the Red Cross, I think. Yeah.

And so we're saying, okay, you need to be vaccinated against these things. Oh, we have a new vaccine that you have to take. Be the first time they did that. It was under the guise of getting Bin Laden's DNA and double-checking. it to make sure that was actually him there. They fucked that up because now actual aid workers can't do that anymore. Yeah, now like a lot of Pakistan's

probably anti-vax because it's just some fucking plot by the CIA. Maybe nobody in these meetings. They'd be like, hey, boss, that's fucking stupid, boss. We should not be... That's fucking dumb. I would love to see some ideas that the CIA has scrapped.

There was one. I have one for you. They were trying to train cats to be spies. I saw that. Yeah. So they have you ever have you ever tried to like get a cat to do anything? They don't I don't know their names. They don't listen. They cats hate you. They domesticate humans. If you own a cat, you congrats. You have a living animal in your house that wants to hurt you. Like there's these these things are untrainable. And so the CIA tried to train a cat to be a spy. It was a big project that they had and in the first field study of how this trained cat was going to do. Um, The cat just ran out into the middle of the street, got hit by car. And then that's it. And then they're like, okay, maybe we won't do the cat spy thing.

It sounds like cat propaganda, though, you know? Cataganda? Just coming from a dog guy. This just sounds like a lot of cat propaganda. Anti-cat. Yeah. Wait, I mean, you think that a cat would make a good spy? A dog would be a million times better spy.

Cat doesn't even make a good pet. Correct. No, I'm just saying it sounds like, sounds like propaganda. You tell me how to make a cat work. I don't, I don't fuck with cats. The only thing it sounds like you're banging on cats because you like dogs more. That's all I'm saying. The only thing cats are good for is pest control.

Yeah. I don't get people that own cats. I really don't understand that. It's just like you're just supposed to keep them alive and they don't really care about you like that. Like I don't understand that shit at all. So for some reason, like in certain cultures, women who love cats are supposed to be more desirable that's really strange i know it was like in like old viking times if there was a woman who like loved cats they were like supposed to be like the best i don't know what like

it's like most damn that's a crazy cat lady yeah if you have if you have like six cats and you're a single female. You're, there's no bigger red flag in the world. Yeah, at that point you have completely given up on finding a husband. You can be a crazy cat family together and get cats after you get married. That's fine. But if you get, if you have six cats that are like your friends and they live in your house. Yeah.

What is the psychology for wanting so many pets? Like, it's in general. I think with, I'm asking pet people right now. So I think with cats, because they, it's so hard to earn their affection and their trust and their love that when your cat occasionally will like curl up next to you on a couch and sleep next to you, it's like a big deal. Yeah. Whereas with a dog, they'll do that. Like, congratulations, you came home from work. Now your dog's going to be just by your side loving you the entire time with a cat you have to really work for.

Yeah. It's kind of like, work for that. It's kind of like how the douchebag gets the girl. I was going to say you have to like riz up a cat. Yeah. You don't have to riz up a dog. The dog just rizzed. The dog is a stage five clinger, but we love it. Pre-rizzed.

Pre-rizzed, yeah. I like my pets pre-rised. Do you guys know any single males who have cats? No, I mean, that's way worse than a woman. KB, like, loves cats. And then he really wanted one. He recently got one. But I think that was around the same time that he moved in with his girlfriend.

And maybe the reason he moved in with his girlfriend just because he didn't want to be a single dude alone with a cat. I mean, I can't speak for, I can't speak for women. Maybe McKenzie could chime in. But like, I feel if I went out on a date with a girl and she was, oh, I have a cat. Like, okay. But if I feel like if a girl went out with a dude who was single and had a cat, that would be a major problem. But, yeah. That would give you the ick. But a dog would be a plus. Yes. I also am skewed because I don't really love cats, so I would just kind of be like, I don't know if I would really be like, it would definitely be weirder than having a dog. Yes, 100%. I don't know if I'd be like, ugh, like I hate him now, but it would definitely be a turnoff for me. I do like kittens, but I don't like I'm not big on cats. That's like me with humans. I like babies, but I don't like adults. I don't know how, I don't know how reputable this is. This is the psychology behind dog people and cat people. This is North Shore Pet Resort.com.

Dog people are more outgoing. Multiple studies have shown that dog owners or dog lovers are much more sociable people compared to cat people. Doggo, they call them dogos. Dogos as a general tend to be more. One website is extraverse. It's the psychology of, I don't know. I've found a shit on a, but they say that. So dogos as a general rule tend to be more extroverted and, in general,

human company. I think, I mean, that's fairly safe to assume. If we assume humans are more drawn to the kind of animals that they are similar to, then it would make sense to the dog, but Jesus, because their owners would tend to be more extroverted. For example, when a dog person feels stimulated by companionship and social situations, a cat person may prefer to relax on a sofa with a good book. In fact, one study, and it has this study, which I'm not going to click on, shows that cat owners are more likely to live alone and in an apartment. His the inverse, cat people are more intelligent. While most studies show that cat people are introverted and generally like to spend more time alone,

there are also a lot of evidence to suggest that these people who love kittens tend to be more naturally intelligent. And a personality experiment carried out on the U.S., they also have the link to, 600 colleges students were asked about their pet preference and then asked a series of questions to determine their intelligence levels. The outcome showed that the majority of cat people achieved higher scores than the other participants. How about that? Anything about frog owners? What it means if you have an absurd amount of frogs?

It's more likely to commit homicide. It's like to chill by the pool and just call for mates. Catch flies. Sit by the pool and just like croak. That's interesting. I mean, the cat owners that I know, yeah, like quiet people that are more introverted. I don't know if it says anything about like it has nothing. do with the cat it's just that if you're a person that likes to hang out and read more frequently

here's a is a good there's a good dog people are more likely to tolerate cats but cat people hate dogs yeah that's true that's probably true I think cat owners are just like antithetical to like dog people in general and so it's like if you like dogs and shit like cat or be like man fuck dogs that's me they're like me except I don't like cats either I'll bet you there was one one huge cat person in the CIA that was like I've got a great idea my cat my cat is so different my cat mr mr. brickles is going to be able to carry out this mission perfectly cat names are all like that too cats got way wacky names and dogs and we'll give dog owners that yeah dog names are great I love just looking at dogs and imagining to myself what their name would be okay I feel like

this is a solid statement across the board Huskies have way better names than every other dog. They're way more creative. I don't know what it is about Husky owners, but they give their dog names way more. Because I used to have a husky. There's the only dog I ever had, and we named him Yoko. And so, like, naturally, you go around other people who have huskies.

And every single time, like, you meet a husky owner, it's some wild, like, creative, anime-type wild name where it's like, yo, this is Steve or this is Bucco. Or this is, you know what I'm saying? Like, dog, I mean, uh, Husky owners are very creative with their names. I will give them that. They have a, they usually have

Northern tribe names. Yeah, or Asian. Like sled dog names. I was some of the huskies I know in America. I don't know. I can't speak for the I think I like I like Husky dog names. You're right. I think that by and large from my experience at least

I would agree with you on that. Also like pugs and bulldogs have great names usually too. Pugs are the ones that can't breathe, right? Pugs shouldn't exist. They'd be struggling, right? Any pug I ever seen? Some types of bulldogs really struggle breathing, too.

Yeah. Ain't they bred like that, though? Aren't they what? Isn't that, like, it's a reason, like, it's a reason why they can't breathe. Pugs in there, right? Like, they're bred a certain way and, like, they don't have one.

Yeah, it's like their snouts and stuff. That's why they shouldn't. exist because they're just they have a terrible quality of life and you're trying to kill all the pugs i'm not trying to kill all the pugs maybe just improve the breeding standards they're doing that with french bulldogs french bulldogs also shouldn't exist wow i mean it sounds like genocide no you could say that about all dogs cruelty this isn't like uh this isn't anything they have a right to life bill yeah but not when people are like you know like in you know it's just unhealthy dog. It's cruel to the dog.

I'm just joking. I don't give a fuck of a guy. Yeah. People in Chicago are getting robbed for French bulldogs. Oh, really? Yeah. They're expensive. Because they're so expensive. What are they like 2K a dog? Ask, we go ask a Jerry. Jersey, Jerry breeds them. And it's a very unnatural process. He doesn't anymore. But yeah, Jerry has a very, does he use the turkey baster? Process. Yeah. He'll like jack off his dog. That's brazy. No, he doesn't, bro. Yeah. Yeah.

Nah, he's not getting dogs off Is he really? Yeah I've probably never touched my dog's bone Him and Israel Had that not Beastianity It's well it's like It's studying

It's like agriculture It's for science Speaking of I don't know man Yeah he he jacks it off And then you collect the semen And it's a whole process I mean look at how they breed race horses

Yeah Donnie and I had a whole conversation about artificial insemination in the home with turkey basters human like yeah I was well I was I was curious if that would work that people do it all the time like if they don't want to pay a ton of money to go to a sperm bank they'll like find a surrogate they know and to jizz and a turkey baster baster and use it that is the application lube it up

shove it in and squeeze deposit yeah that's all it takes when you're ovulating yeah yeah i mean how long does sperm survive though like just like in if you keep it cold i thought you're supposed to keep it warm yeah no no keep it cold warm kills it that's why you don't sit in a that's why you don't sit in a hot tub i think that's why your testicles are outside of your body because i think it's sperm drives to right it's to regulate it's not it's like slightly colder than 98 degrees um but it's i don't think it can be cold i think it has to be like in that perfect just right zone i'd make a bet because you can freeze sperm you might be right yeah you might be cold cold is better yeah i mean i assume sperm banks keep all

that in a freezer the best temperature to keep semen in order to preserve sperm motility can't believe i'm googling this on my work computer is 20 degrees Celsius so that's like okay 60 that's room temperature yeah like a wine like a white wine i'm like a white wine I'm getting some of it. It said it is not possible to successfully freeze sperm at home. Sperm freezing needs to happen in a laboratory with proper quality controls and place the temperature of an average home freezer is about minus 18 degrees centigrade. Sperm needs to be stored at minus 196 degrees centigrade. I'm not doing that conversion. What is it? I'm going to buy a sperm freezer. It says 20 degrees Celsius, which is 68 Fahrenheit. That'd be perfect for white wine. There's the mini fridge. There's the sperm fridge. There's the sperm fridge. There's

the sperm freezer here this is a good year that's on course yeah areas area is that scene from ballers like where the woman spits it into like a capsule and puts it in the champagne bucket of ice is that like a legit thing that happens amongst pro athletes that you've heard of i've never heard of that shit but i mean shit i got i don't get too but like yeah women try to get men pregnant all the time especially yeah they lied they they poke holes in condoms of her stories but yeah that shit happens all the time there was an advisory that went out I think it was to the NBA um there was like some girl that was sleeping with players and then uh she would take the condom out of the trash can yeah and then they were like hey make sure that you throw

away that you it's an industry bro they tell they tell you that too they say make sure you like in like rookie supposiums and stuff they'll tell you flush your condoms down to it like make sure you dispose of them because people will keep that stuff. And so it's like that, but this is what I say. It's an industry, man. But the courts incentivize this shit. If you get away, if you do away with child support, you do away with getting any percentage of your, like, this shit goes away. Then you're just going to have to co-parent.

All this shit could go away. But I digress. That scene might have been in Ray Donovan. There's just this crazy scene where a woman like spits out into a, a capsule puts it on ice in the champagne bucket and then gets pregnant. I've never heard of that specific. But I have heard of women poking holes and condoms. Should we get back to the CIA?

Yeah. Actually, some huge CIA news dropped yesterday. And there was a whistleblower who came out. So the CIA had like a COVID origin team. And their job was to figure out where COVID-19 came from. And like six of the seven operatives came to the conclusion. that it leaked from a lab but then they were then bribed financially to say that no it would just it just happened naturally who bribed him the CIA like bribed their own employees

to say that conspiracy theory that is a bat which is that that one was true I know but I so I'm trying to think about why the CIA did that because they hangalins um is Is that because, like, the U.S. may, like, was involved with that lab, too, in Wuhan? Or did they function? Plausible. All right. So, yeah. I'm reading this story right now.

Uh, there's an unnamed CIA whistleblower that's, that's alleged that six analysts were bribed to reject the theory that COVID-19 resulted from a research-related leak of a new coronavirus. Um, so I guess it's, somebody told a congressperson this but the person hasn't we don't know who this is coming from is what I'm saying um no but I mean it I mean if it seems legit if it's true then it's yeah news um and yeah this only dropped like yesterday um so yeah I just don't know what was their motive to be like no, it came from an animal and not a lab.

Maybe it's like, but I mean it was leaked on purpose or something? Or maybe it's like if we knew that it came from a lab in China and it was designed as a bio weapon and then it infected the entire world, then we would have to basically be at war against China. Right. Yeah.

But I do think that there was a lot of Americans working at that lab in Wuhan too. Yeah. Like hadn't Fauci done research there at one point in the past, too? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the details behind that. I think there was some research going on there that was receiving NIH funding. Yeah. What would happen if it was, if COVID was like a Chinese bio weapon that they deployed on the rest of the world?

Like if they can say if it was an actual accident, then that's one thing. But what if it was a Chinese plot? What if that part? Let's say there was wide. spread protests. Let's say they didn't want to impact the rest of the world, but let's say there was widespread protests across China, Hong Kong, and the CCP was literally about to lose their grasp on the country and they needed a way to destroy dissidents and be able to get away with it and control the entire population for a reason that wouldn't be like that would seem

to be good nature. Yeah. So what if that, what if it was proven that that happened? What would the international, well, no, go back to my example, Billy. I know what you're you're talking about like the Hong Kong protests all that stuff but what if my example ended up being true where it was like China was trying to like destroy world trade they were like going after the world and they deployed this virus what does the world do to respond to it I mean nothing it would just I mean I think that scenario is unlikely yeah I do think it is likely that it just accidentally leaked from the lab. Yeah.

And that we were China or that lab was like researching like the most contagious type of Corona or whatever. Yeah, whatever. Like I think they were, what was it, a gain of function research? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I think what they're, I think what that lab was trying to do was China has had a lot

more outbreaks than we have, like SARS, whatnot. And what they were doing was trying to predict the next one so they could have a cure for it. And yeah, that that's from what I can understand was what they were trying to do. Like they, they were just one step ahead by having the next mutation. Yeah, that seems plausible. I mean, did they release it on purpose? I mean, it did show that, you know, the only way to like really go after it was authoritarianism.

If you weren't going to let people let it run its course and try to actually contain it, like authoritarianism is the only way to deal with it. But, uh, yeah, attack on freedom. Well, authoritarianism, it didn't really work out in the long run because then when the Omicron started to spread and China was still committed to zero COVID, it did not work because no matter what you do, Omicron is still going to spread. And then riots started up again in China and they were like, okay, we just need to get rid of these restrictions or we're actually going to lose control to the country. It would just be interesting to know what the world would do. Like we don't want

to have a war with China. That would be very, very bad. It's it's it would be like a disaster for everybody if there was war. But at the same time, it's like you can't have this. government just killing millions of people across yeah maybe they the u.s would just cut all ties with china but even then that's hard to do because we still that would cripple our economy yeah well that's that's what we're trying to do now is just establish more domestic supply chain especially in the military and the because we can't afford to get into a point where if it does shut down like it did you know well there's your answer to like why hypothetically people would would lie and be bribed to say

that actually it was just like a bat because if it was, if the implication was we have to fight China in a war, then our own economy would be shit too. But we could take China. We got each other but oh I know. I know. No, no, we could take China. Let's not act like we could.

We got way more aircraft carriers. The F-22 is unsurpassed by Chinese. None of you motherfuckers is fighting nobody in China and neither am I. We are not fighting anybody. Y'all are buggy. Yeah, we're all one country. I don't understand that shit though. Why do y'all do that?

That nationalism shit is crazy. If, if America gets in the war with China, millions of people are dying. Millions. Fuck this wee shit. I'm out. Where are you going? Yeah, but what about our aircraft cars?

But I'm not taking those stairs like we should fight China. Huh? We got all these cool toys that we get to use for the first time that we've just been spending trillions of dollars on for the last 30 years. All those drones. Kind of a waste not to use them. Exactly.

All those UFOs and UAPs are really our super sonic drones that are able to take down nukes. Dude, Aaron, we've had our F-22 lightning for the last 30 years and it hasn't gotten to do shit except shoot down one weather balloon. That thing is just dying for combat. It's itching to be deployed on the field of battle. I love that. I love that for you guys.

Really? I'm skeptical about this report. Okay, so it says Representative Brad Winstruck, a Republican Ohio representative, he's in the House, says his panel in the House's permit, select committee on intelligence have heard testimony from a whistleblower who presents a highly credible senior level CIA officer. So, like, there hasn't been any evidence of this other than hearsay. I mean, it could be the case, but I always err on the side of, like, skepticism. but I mean there's nothing else to it I guess

so when not yet I guess yeah so he sent a letter to the CIA director William Burns requesting documents and communications about the agency's COVID discovery team and so there hasn't really been

there hasn't been really any evidence I want all that shit to be public though like the COVID discovery team that's it absolutely should be it absolutely should be because I want to know this type shit though is what I'd be talking about.

So it's like he like there should be no mention of it until we know, you know what I mean? Like there's just no, because it just creates sides and teams and shit. It doesn't do anything for anybody. That's kind of what happened with the UFOs too. That was a whistleblower. But I mean, they haven't been able to present any concrete proof to the public yet. That's what I'm saying? Who's the realest whistleblower?

What's that what's buddy name? Grush? Nah, no. Oh, well. Snowden. Yeah. He had the evidence to back that shit up and said, this is what happening.

Boop, boo, boom, and I'm out. That's whistleboard. That is fucking, this other shit, like it happens all the time, man, I don't be believing that shit. Yeah, and he's there now, right? I think he's in Russia. He's in, like, an undisclosed location.

Yeah. He's still very much wanted by the next season. Because, like, yeah, do you think the CIA is still trying to get him? I think so, yeah. They must be. They're doing a good job, keeping him secret. Yeah.

And he's doing it. He's doing podcast and shit. He's doing interviews. Yeah. He did on Rogan, man. Yeah. He had, I think I said this before, but he had retweeted one of my tweets because I had watched Snowden the movie and I had never really paid attention to any of that shit.

And I was like, yo, that was dope what he did. And so I was tweeting about him. People were like, no, he's a traitor. And I was like, I didn't know there was so much anti-Snowden hate out there. And I was like, yo, they spying on you and you don't know. And so like, I retreated. I was like, yo, I wanted to see the optics. Like, is he a hero or is he a traitor?

And I did like a little Twitter poll and it made it all the way to him and he retweeted it. And that's interesting because I think most of the people who are anti-Snowden would more often than not be further left than right. You think anti-Snowden people are? Because it was Obama and Hillary.

I would think. I don't think so. I think it's like, I think this probably goes across the traditional left and right. I think this is like, I think this is, I think this is, I think this is, probably a bipartisan thing like I think most people

because the poll said that too most people think that what he did was valiant I don't think this has anything to do with right or left honestly I think there's definitely bipartisan agreement that more people than not would say that that was the correct thing to do than incorrect

I would just think that more of the people who would disagree with it would be like the would be further left I think that if you're if you're on the right you can look at Like center left maybe, but the farther left you go, the more like they're not with government overreach like that. I think it's such a unifying thing because you can look at Snowden and be like, he did this to Obama.

So people on the right will be like hero. And then people on the left will be like, this was a Bush era program. So he's still functioning like Obama hero. So it's like, okay, we can both get behind this one. Common ground. Well, you know who was the biggest fans of his? the Q&on Pizza Gate people because all, that's where they got all their clues

from the email she leaked. Oh, really? Yeah. So it's like the weirdest group of everybody. Everybody's on board with Snowdy. Do we ever find out what happened with Pizza Gate? I want to talk to somebody that's still like a diehard Pizza Gate guy. Like, yeah, Hillary was drinking baby blood in the basement of this, this DC

pizzeria. I feel like it kind of like evolved. and a lot of pizza gators became like Q and on people but I want to know if there's actual like legit pizza gate OG pizza gate believers yeah they all became Q&A yeah but is anybody still banging the drum on pizza gate because if that

if you truly believe that that there was child trafficking going on in the basement of this restaurant you shouldn't just like move on to the next shiny thing you should be like wait no these people were fucking fucking children someone showed up I trying to shoot the place up right and say what I

think we've talked about this on the show but like say what you want about that guy he was probably very very misguided but if you in your heart of hearts you believe that there's like a child slavery event going on in this restaurant then that's what you should be doing he believed in something he believed in it so did you throw that guy in jail if he truly believes he's doing something good yeah because you mean yeah unless he went there and stopped it but yeah you came to be going to every thing that you believe in with a with a gun talk about someone here to end this shit.

It's like a national treasure too when he kidnaps the president and to find the treasure under Mount Rushmore and he's like listen like if you find it I can I can help you but if you don't like you're going to go to prison for the rest of your life which was a coward move by the way because he believed him so much so

he gave him the information of the secret scroll told him there was a secret scroll but still at the end of it said you're going to go to it Why not just be like, let me know if you find something. I'll handle this. Don't worry about it. Like, you know he has good intentions. You're alive, B.

That was a cowardly move, bro. Made for a great movie, though. I might have to watch that tonight. Every plane ride. I watch one and two, bro. I love that movie. I like two more than one. Oh, tell me why.

I just like two a lot. I don't think you can go wrong. I'm with you on this one. But I like to the reasons. At the end, when they're turning the wheel and like, somebody's got to sacrifice themselves that part i didn't get either my man my man has literally killed people to get to this point and at the end he grew a heart and said fuck it i don't i don't know yeah but he did it for the for the cause it did it and valiantly enough my man's held through his

name he said my man's helped me out finding this shit even though he really didn't that was when that was the next one coming out i remember that was in one of the first episodes we ever did a macrodose and we're like it's coming out in 2024 or something well they came out with like a TV show that's kind of a spin-off. I think that there's a National Treasure 3 though. Is it page 47 or what page number we're looking for? Remember the big mystery? Is the TV show out now?

I believe so. I hope the writer's... Oh wait, here's something from two days ago, National Treasure 3 release date, cast, plot, theories, and predictions. What if we were hired to write it because of the writer's strike? I'm sure we could write it. We scab out. I would scab out if it meant I

could write National Treasure 3. National Treasure 3 would be so fun to write. Yeah. I need to watch National Treasure 2 again because I watched it on, like you, Aaron, like on an airplane, but I started it as the plane was like getting ready to land kind of. So I got through the first 45 minutes. Then I watched like the next 25 minutes during the layover. Then I finished it on the plane.

And it doesn't seep in the right way. You got to watch it all at once. Yeah, most definitely. That would actually be fun nanodotion vibe. As we all say, we write a script to National Treasure 3 and have somebody here like court reporting and okay, and somebody comes in and that would be fun as shit. Co-writing the script with y'all, that'd be fun.

Yeah. That'd be dope. Yeah, first, if we just get like all the major plot beats that we can just extrapolate from there. I like it. Yeah. Should we get back to the CIA? Yeah, so there's some other CIA things that they've done.

In August 1950, the CIA secretly purchased the assets of civil air transport, an airline that had been started in China after World War II by General Claire Shano and Whiting Willauer. CAT would continue to fly commercial routes throughout Asia, acting in every way as a privately owned commercial airline. At the same time, under the corporate guise of CAT Incorporated, it provided airplanes and crews for secret intelligence. operations and missions and then it was renamed air america in 1959 and continued to fly commercial routes while providing transport for secret intelligence operations so we owned the CIA owned an entire airline that it would just use to fly their people around do you think that there's a new one now what companies do we think now might be CIA companies who you just don't know about spirit united no spirit always going down no because like spirit mainly obviously

operates in the U.S., though. They don't really go international too often. Spirit might be just, it might be like a Chinese. Spirits run by the FBI. Okay. Yeah, I think so. Just so that because people that buy Spirit Airlines tickets are more likely to be on some sort of watch list or one-in-list. Yes. Yeah. They collect information. They can monitor like drug traffickers around the United States. Who's flying spirit? Hey, I fly, or I have flown spirit. And it wasn't that bad, actually. Yeah. It's hit or it. It's hit or I mean, all the hidden fees suck, but as long as you know what you're paying for.

One of the most, if it's like a two-hour flight. One of the most interesting rides ever took was Spirit to Las Vegas. That was a cool ride. A lot of criminal records on that flight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Another, another cool CIA project, Project Cold Feet. So basically, the Soviets had a research station that was on floating ice island in the arctic so in 1961 uh the CIA secretly flew

to navy pilots the Arctic who parachuted down onto the ice but they didn't know how to retrieve them so they did the classic uh secret agent movie thing where they had a hook and the plane came flying down close to the ground hooked them and pulled them up and like what was like Like, what were they supposed to do on the island? On the island, they were retrieving old, any Soviet information they could because they abandoned it because they couldn't get to the, uh, couldn't get to it anymore. But the U.S. did this weird maneuver where they literally had guys standing with like, like basically a hook to get picked up by a plane moving it like, you know, however many miles per hour, just scoop them up. That's insanely dangerous. Yeah.

It was an AB-17 PFT rigged with a skyhook that has now been like it's in James Bond. They copied them. Now the term banana republic has a lot to do with the CIA. Yeah. Do you want to tell us some more about that? You can talk about it, Donnie. I only know the bare basics of it. But, yeah, so Dole was like a giant American fruit company.

Yeah. And then, like, I don't know which country was it. Was it, I think it was two different countries. So there was- Honduras and Costa Rica. There was also, yeah, United Fruit Company. Okay. And then I guess the current government of those countries wanted to nationalize the fruit industry.

And CIA was like, no, no, no, we're getting those fruit problems. profits, and then they overthrew the government. Yeah, so a little history here of the United Fruit Company in Guatemala. They had a government ran by Jakabo Arbenez, and he was elected in 1950, and he was toppled by forces led by Colonel Armis, who invaded from Honduras. It was commissioned by the Eisenhower administration. The military operation was armed, trained, and organized by the CIA. the directors of United Fruit Company lobbied to convince the Truman and Eisenhower administrations

that Colonel Arbenez intended to align with Guatemala and the Eastern Bloc, the Soviet Union. Besides the disputed use of their allegiance to communism, the United Fruit Company was being threatened by the Arben's government's agrarian reform legislation and new labor code. They were the largest landowner and employer in Guatemala, and the government's land reform program included the expropriation of 40% of the United Fruit Company lands. They were trying to get rid of the United Fruit Company. U.S. officials had little proof to back their claims of a growing communist threat.

However, the relationship between the Eisenhower administration and the fruit company demonstrated the influence of corporate interest on U.S. foreign policy. Secretary of State Dulles, an avowed opponent of communism, was also a member of the law firm Sullivan and Cromwell, which had represented United Fruit. His brother, Alan Dulles, was the director of the CIA, who was also a board member of United Fruit. The United Fruit Company had a CIA kryptonem, which is CIA name, fake name. The brother of the Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs, John Moore's

Cabot, had once been president of United Fruit. So yeah, we basically used fruit companies to install our own governments and fight for policies that we thought was beneficial to the United States no matter what was going on in that company or in that country amongst their own people. Pretty wild. stuff. We also engineered the coup in Chile, whereas Pinochet taking order

for Allende. I don't know how you would say it if you're actually from Chile. But basically Nixon told the CIA that we needed to fuck up the economy in Chile to prevent Alende from coming to power or to unseat him. So

we installed our own like fascist, actually a fascist in Pinochet that took over the government, filled up Santiago Stadium in Chile with political dissidents and then executed hundreds of them in their main soccer stadium that they have there. And then he would take some of his other opponents and they would call them like helicopter rides. They would fly out of the city and then just push them out of a helicopter. Yeah. I mean, that's got to be the most fucked up thing that the CIA,

the CIA has done. Like so many of the people that we put in power were horrible, horrible people. Yeah. But they were very anti-communist. So the CIA, was like yeah sure let's do it that was kissinger Henry Kissinger who's still alive I can't I can't believe that dude hasn't died yet he's actually younger than Joe Biden is he really no I'm sure he is an all-time Fupa guy too

Kissinger oh yeah look up pictures of Kissinger that guy is uh he's packing some packing some heat underneath the belt there he's also a hundred years he's a hundred years old that dude needs to die that guy can't believe that guy hasn't died yet he's like the worst human being bombed so many countries was responsible for so much bad shit in vietnam so much bad shit in cambodia and uh all these like overthrow situations that we've had this guy was in charge of it this is one of the smartest people

in the world and he dedicated his life to just the stupidest shit of all time this guy there will be there will be a lot of joy in the world when that guy dies why would this this dude uh Kissinger was a Jewish refugee who fled Nazi Germany, but then he just started propping up fascist governments in South America. Yeah, he did a lot of bad shit. Yeah. What? Well, it was part of the USA's Cold War strategy.

They're like, the only thing that matters is that we just like keep all governments anti-communist. Yeah. What keeps you alive at a hundred years old? I think you just aren't allowed to come into heaven. No, I'm talking about like Good point, Billy. You're scared that when you do die That you're gonna go to hell

Yeah Like motivationally I'm saying like You wake up and you're like Another day of this shit here dog Like I'm already a pessimist at 30 years old So it's like

How are these motherfuckers in a hundred Waking up just like happy to be here I don't get it though Have you guys seen blue zones on Netflix We almost had What's His Face On To promote it the guy who stars in it but it's actually fascinating like they basically went to all the different

places in the world where people generally live past 95 100 okinawa japan's one of the places and like one of the biggest things they figured out was that there was uh the first one was that exercise was built into a lot of these people's everyday routine so villages with steep incline where the villages built on the side of a hill tend to live longer because it takes more energy expended to like just travel around town and run errands because you're like going uphill so much and then in okinawa there's uh this like um uh culture of gardening and in japanese culture there's not that many like seats i might be getting this wrong but there's not as many seats so there's a lot of squatting down and standing up so there's

just these people are doing squats all day and it's just like yeah hoon squads huge out there not a lot of seats if you're waiting for a bus you just got to pop a squat am i getting that right donnie um yeah i mean in japanese culture they usually have those tables low to the ground and you're just you're actually like eating on the ground not seated um yeah my grandma lived to 103 and she was at that point she was like family is the only thing keeping me alive because like literally all of her friends had passed away like I don't think she had a single friend still alive but like you out you see everybody that you knew to be alive you know what I'm saying you loved like except for your family died that yeah it's the

breast is holy shit I seen this one there's this video is this this grandma's old grandma was like 94 and they was having a birthday and they and she's just sitting there like all fucking bored and they all singing happy birthday and and happy birthday grandma she goes thanks I hope this is my last one the CIA is also doing black sites we still got those yeah so basically we rent out warehouses and countries that aren't technically U.S. soil so then we'll capture a terrorist or suspected suspected terrorist and then we'll fly them to this other country, put them in a building, and then we get to interrogate them, torture them.

And, excuse me, Aaron, enhanced interrogation techniques. Yeah, enhanced interrogation techniques. Thailand. Thailand was a big one. Like, after the invasion of Iraq, all the different, like, euphemisms that we would use for shit in those first three years were just wild. Donald Rumsfeld would come out and give his press briefing. And all of a sudden, he's like, they're not.

Enemy soldiers. We need to stop saying they're enemy soldiers. They're combatants. They're enemy combatants. Because that means that the laws of the Geneva Convention don't apply to them. So it's very important. Just call them something else. It's not torture.

It's enhanced interrogation techniques like applying electric shocks to people's nipples and waterboarding them and beating the fuck out of them. And playing horrible, like, loud music, 24 hours. The CIA event waterboarding, right? We started that shit, right? I think that's an ancient technique. Have you ever been waterboarded? You're thinking of Chinese water torture.

That's when they just... I know that. Okay, yeah. Beer boarding, I've been... No, I tried water, because I was like skeptical. I think when my homies was like in an army or some shit. And I was like, bro, they just hold your breath. But you'll be a-a.

He's like, no, you won't. And so I was like, they do it. And so I did it. That shit is no, sir. yeah you did it with beer once what were you just trying to chug a beer and then accidentally no no no we did wash cloth it oh okay yeah the boys beer boarded yeah williams college not's a staple okay nope i have no idea what you're talking about uh the cia uh the cia used inflatable sex dolls to fool the kgb so this this idea where if an agent had to

escape someone tailing them be it like they were you know uh in a foreign country trying to like get from a to b with documents or whatnot in order to distract the agent let's say they're trying to move in public without getting caught like turning a corner and then just having an inflatable blow up sex stall that would just pop out to confused whoever's chasing them was an idea they had on the table i think they did make it uh yeah they did to get so the dolls were stored in unremarkable containers like a fake birthday cake and would be rigged to unfurl and blow up when needed they were called jack in the boxes and agents would just throw them behind them when they were trying to lose uh people following them because then they're like they're just like oh shit they threw out a body we got to see who it is no no they it was like if you turn a coin it was much more like like slapstick comedy like this guy turned a corner i got to go follow him turn the corner boom sex doll and it gives them an extra second to get away okay it's absurd back to uh different types

advanced interrogation uh two big things they were big on especially to uh in the torture facilities and guantanamo bay was constant rectal examinations and uh uh rectal cleanouts that just sounds like rape yeah a rectal clean out like what's different from from rape and and that rectal rehydration was the term oh yeah you're just putting like a hose in your ass yeah i've heard of that like especially if there's a prison or a hunger strike in a prison which by the way pretty pretty cucked that we just take a slice of cuba and we're like yeah this is ours it's guantanamo bay we're going to have a military installation there we're going to put the most violent terrorists in the world there cuba you're cool with that right

yeah i don't think cuba had a choice yeah i forget how we originally got that land yeah i always thought which is wrong this is wrong but i thought that that was the little bit of land we got during the bay of pigs and we made it our like torture spot but that's totally wrong that's not how we got it yeah so it's uh the the rehydration it's like if somebody's on a hunger strike in prison then you can feed you can force feed them and i guess you can rectally rehydrate them but maybe if they're just being held in a cell without food or water uh and you're trying to torture them and the only way that they can get they can get water is just up their ass jeez yeah and there's there's definitely still black sites everywhere yeah black sites are crazy like imagine if you're

in the Taliban, and then you get captured by the Americans blindfolded, and then you just end up in Thailand or Cuba or something like that? Like, do you think those people know where they are? No. Or they just wake up and they're in a room and they're being tortured for information? Yeah, they're in a room with Satan. That's as far as they get with it. Do they ever find out where they are? Like, because I know a lot of the prisoners were eventually freed from Guantanamo Bay. Yeah. Like, is there a yard in Guantanamo Bay? And then they walk out. side. They're like, huh, this doesn't seem like the Middle East. It's kind of nice. Yeah. There's coconuts on that tree. Yeah. I, I'll bring by a rum and coke for you.

That taxi cab looks like it's from the 1950s. That's pretty cool. It took me back in time. Fuck. Oh my God. Back when torture was definitely legal. We should actually do that. We should build like a city, a fake city in the United States that's from like 1910 filled with actors and filled like, just everything, like no technology past that point. And then we put a prisoner there that we're interrogating. And we're like, we have the ability to go back in time. Yeah, she would be fired. You know, you know, it was a prank I saw?

Yeah, Truman Show. Then Truman Show them. Yeah, you bring them back in time. You're like, listen, the Taliban doesn't even exist anymore. Yeah. That's way in the future. Tell us all the harm in telling us. Yeah.

You know what prank did? I saw a prank happen that is like pretty cruel. There's this guy who like had a drinking problem and he would like, If he was too drunk to drive home from the bar, he'd fall asleep in his truck. So his buddies noticed him doing this. So what they did was they kidnapped him and then put him in a fake hospital room. And then when he woke up, they told him that he'd been in a coma and he drove home and he'd been in a coma for 10 years and like, like said all this stuff and like played false video.

And the video is Hillary Clinton's now the president. and it was like five years later a couple years later and the guy was like what the fuck he was like I want to see my daughter and his daughter

was young at the time and they just brought out this girl who like kind of looked like his daughter but older and he like it was a full mind fuck

that's and did it like it was like stop drinking yeah was there like a motivation to make him stop drinking or was it just to fuck with that probably led him drinking more that's it is traumatized

it was either stop drinking and driving or stop drinking and driving or stop drinking drinking. I don't remember what the point was. I thought he wasn't drinking a drug. I thought he was falling asleep at his drive. I thought of a story. I was like, that's pretty cool. That was only if he was too drunk to even drive. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, you've been in a coma, your daughter's dead. I bet you want to stop drinking now, don't you? Yeah. I bet you'll think twice before having this

delicious mind-erasing bottle of scotch. Yeah. Now, if they had just woke him up in the hospital and been like, oh on your ride home last night you were hammered and killed a family of four like that would probably really drive home the point like yeah that would be the absolute worst right there though that yeah god that would be I mean and that's reality for a lot of people

no a thousand percent right yeah just I just I just cook because like you ever had a dream when you wake up I had a dream that I was on trial for murder and I got convicted and I woke up like I'm free holy shit it's one of the most relieving feelings in the world but like that gut wrenching like

yeah oh my god that would be horrible though but the relief when you wake up in the morning kind of yeah that's why i think it's a great way to start the day like oh my god this is my reality what's a great way to start today it's pretty no but i mean compared to like oh shit here's another day of boring yeah like sometimes it's like thank god this is my reality Yeah. If you have an awesome dream, it's just like incredible. And then you wake up and you're like, oh, God, this is my life. But yeah, if you have a horrible dream, you wake up and you're just ready to start the day. You're like, oh, I'm so thankful for my life. Yeah. No, exactly. Duchet. Yeah. By the way, the Platte Amendment is how Guantanamo is given to the U.S. in 1903. They got 45 square miles of land. And they made a deal with the newly independent. You have somebody in your ear like, Yeah, tiny needle. 30 seconds, 30 seconds. 30 seconds.

Let's talk about CIA again. I have one crazy story. I don't know if this person was just trying to fuck with me, but he came up to me and he was like, hey, I'm not allowed to tell you what I'd do, but he was a little present. And then he goes, like, we checked in on you when you were out in China. Like, we had to look into you. And he gave me like a CIA. medallion and so I guess this guy was like inferring that when I lived out in

China for seven years the CIA like did some research into me just to make sure I wasn't going to be a spy huh so I don't like I bet they did that's pretty sick you were pretty prominently known yeah are but like amongst the international community you were like the biggest American vlogger living in China yeah and like I'm sure it didn't take too much research to be like, all right, this guy doesn't seem like a threat. It would be just like doing drugs and rough. It would be pretty sick if he

handed you your file. That would be real. But he was like, I can't even tell you what I do, but I assume the CIA medallion was a hint. That's a wild intro to anybody that walks up to and says, I can't tell you what I do, but I've been

watching. Yeah. I want to start doing that. Just randomly go to people at the bar. Do you think, I mean, in the past, we've used like prominent celebrities as CIA informants or they'll have like a specific part of their job that they're reporting back to the government like Julia Childs the famous TV chef she was an intelligence agent and there's been like you know a lot of celebrities that have been involved do you think it would be worthwhile for the CIA to work with anybody here at Barstall maybe they already are like Dave if the CIA could work with Dave hobnob's around with an international set of wealthy business people

like do you think the CIA anyone had the CIA you think they've had a conversation like we should try to work with Dave Portnoy I think it'd be more likely to be the FBI or something like that but I don't know because like Barstall

could be seen as like a form of youth mind control yeah that's what I'm saying yeah no the FBI they're like looking for crimes. So there could be somebody out there that's like, we need to somehow drum up interest in Savalinka, the tennis player. I know just the thing, we'll tell Dave Portnoy to bet on her, you know, win his bet, and then he'll spend a week talking about her

and then actively root against an American in the U.S. Open finals. And then now Sabalinka will have a legion of fans across the United States because Dave Portnoy has introduced them to her. Yeah, he'd be a pretty solid asset, yes. Where's you from Belarus? That's the country that's acting as a puppet state for Russia right now. Yeah. Billy, remember when you thought that Wagner, the Wagner group was going to do a pencer move on Ukraine because they sent their former leader to live in Belarus. It's like, wait a second, Belarus is, that's on the northern border of Ukraine. No, there was a lot. I was just,

It's about to be a pincer. It's going to be a pincer. No, I was just informing what people were thinking at the time. Like, no one can predict the future. Now he's dead. Now he's dead. But, uh, just keep your eye on on Dave. That's all I'm saying.

There could be some other people at Barstall that could be soon. Yeah. I, it would probably be a low ranking person that just like pops out of nowhere at like a young age and just slowly infiltrates his way into the, like, Meek Phil. Like, you know. Glennie Balls. Stay woke on Glennie.

I mean, what did they use like, what did they use Julia Childs for and stuff, like in the past? That's a good question. I don't know that much about her. John's scene is a CIA asset. They used to be really concerned about the,

the communist influence in Hollywood. Yeah. Like I think a lot of prominent actors had communist sympathies. Okay. When the U.S. joined World War II, Americans found unique ways to use their skills to support the war effort. For some, the skills they learned during the war shaped their future.

Julia Child began her work with the Office of Strategic Services, the predecessor to the CIA, as a research assistant in the Secret Intelligence Division, and then transferred to the OSS Emergency Sea Rescue Equipment Section. The OSS was concerned with reports that sharks were accidentally setting off explosives and attacking down pilots. Child and her colleagues set about creating a shark repellent to coat explosives and pilot life preservers. So she, yeah, she claimed that that was the first recipe that she ever made.

So this was before she was famous. They didn't recruit like a famous chef to work with them. So I'm looking up some more information about her right now. But there are, the U.S. government has definitely used like assets. Yeah. That are prominently known. You know that, that children's book guy, Roald Dahl? Yeah, I was just reading that.

Yeah, he was a spy. He was involved in the secret British operation to push the United States into World War II. So obviously then Pearl Harbor happened and that kind of solved their problem. But for a while, Churchill was like, dude, like the UK is going to fucking lose to the Nazis unless we find some way to get U.S. into this war. Yeah. You know what some of his jobs were? I think I learned this on drunk history Propaganda

He apparently He apparently was hung like a black rhino Like had a giant dick And he was very charming And so they sent him to the United States To just bang a lot of Prominent women Yeah okay

And get information about what was going on behind the scenes And try to influence them Through the power of his massive cock Damn I mean I guess if you bang the right woman she might have a lot of sway yeah because i was going to say it sounds like to have like any sort of any sort of effect on u.s. a joining the war you've got to bang a lot of woman the cock that got us into world war too but this gives the dfg a whole different

james and the giant cock the bfg because isn't that part of that book just talking about how the bfg has big ears big nose yeah I don't know if they ever describe as phallus, though. The big friendly giant. I didn't know rhinos. Yeah, my man. I didn't know rhinos was hung like this. I just Google black rhino penis because I thought it was like a black rhino like you were talking about.

Yeah. So I was Google it and like, God damn. Well, compared to their body, it's not that big. Elephant cocks are bigger than rhino. I'm saying everybody hate on a rhino penis before. What a hateer. No, penis. I think that big.

It's not that big, man. No, no. But like if we're talking, I'm pretty sure there's a shrimp that's twice as big is its body. That's impressive. There's a opposing vagina doesn't care about a 25 foot long penis.

There's like a, there's a type of duck. It has like a fruit by the footcock and it just rolls out to like 20 feet. That's the interesting question. I don't think women care about relative penis size. I think he's care about penis size. Well, no, but think about it compared to their

so I'm saying. I don't think relative penis size matters. I think it's penis size, man. By the way, Roald Dahl wrote some good books. Don't Google some of his he's made some comments. Oh, really? Oh, yeah.

That recently came to light. He had a couple anti-Semitic comments or something, right? Yeah, anti is putting it my own. Okay. like how dr shoes i mean i'm not gonna read them but they're out there read them read them bro they're not yours no i'm not reading them people can you know can you can you just omit the bad words

nah y'all can google them but uh he was yeah he was pretty anti for sure wow uh dr sues also had some pretty problematic uh propaganda cartoons during world war two dr seuss is an interesting dude he also um the the the great butter battle you know that book oh i love that book i'm pretty sure that book's just about the cold war yes it is right because it's like two separate factions of society and they hate each other because one butters their toast with the butter side up the other does butter side down you're like i will fucking destroy you for buttering your toast differently than i am yeah i'm pretty sure that's just and they keep on inventing like more advanced weapons yeah and they finally

invent this like bean that can just like which is their uh allegory to a nuclear weapon and then they're both it ends with they're on a wall and they're like who's going to use the bean first yeah and destroy the world i think the cat was it was the cat in the hat came back the one where he leaves a ring around the tub uh and then they try to clean up that ring that's around the tub and it gets on the blanket and then it gets on something else i think that one's about communism because it's like a red ring and then it gets on the blanket, then it gets on the chair, then it gets on the walls of the house, then the red just spreads all over the entire property. And the only way to get rid of the red thing was like the cat inside of the

hat, the like smallest cat possible had a tiny little like device inside of his hat that will get rid of all the red immediately. And then he like snaps it and all the red's gone. That one to me seemed like it was more in favor of just, like, nuking Russia. But I'm pretty sure that there's, like, an allegory in there. Okay, yeah. The Butter Battle book is, like, I had that movie when I was a kid. Yeah.

Like, one of my favorite childhood movies. Great book. Oh, the Places You Go. That's another good. I feel like, oh, the places you'll go has gotten way more popular in the last 10 years. Now you just get at, like, every graduation party. Yeah. Yo, I just Google some of these.

going to copy that. Holy shit. They're pretty wild. Yeah, this ain't even anti-Semitic. This is just, this is evil, dog. This is evil as shit. Yeah, it was some bad stuff.

Oh, my. I read it. Hey, this is wild, though. Hey, no fucking quote cards. I did not say this shit. Do not clip this out of context. This is not me, dog. This is this guy.

What is this thing is the name of it? Roll doll. Roll doll. This is not me. There's five of them that his family apologize for. He says, there is a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity. Maybe it's a kind of lack of generosity towards non-Jews. I mean, there's always a reason why anti-anything crops up anywhere.

Even a stinker like Hitler didn't just pick on them for no reason. I mean, if you and I were in a line moving towards what we knew were gas chambers, I'd rather have to have a go at taking one of the guards with me. But they were always submissive. that's oh my god crazy also being like

even a stinker like Hitler yes they like he's just like he you know takes kids lunch money or something that little rascal that's great you guys did a full episode on mk ultra right

yeah yeah so we can mention that briefly but basically they just they dose people with acid sex do some of a lot of stuff and then tried to interrogate them to see what would make them crack they're on the search for like a truth serum also coli's dad was part of mk ultra not as not as a CIA operative but as like one of the guys that was in a bar in new england that they

gave acid to yeah also yeah i just when they first started that they were only testing it on like employees of the CIA but then they were like well if you know you're taking acid then like these experiments won't work so they just started giving it to random people It's just crazy though Just imagine going out of your mind At a bar chilling by yourself Yeah I actually want that to happen to me

Not that Yeah I want I want to like be a guinea pig For psychedelics That would be fun That would be dope I got under a controlled environment Where it's like

You know what I'm saying Don't give me no hero dose But just give me some I'm having a good time To whether doctors Analyze my behavior Brain waves all that shit That would be cool man

It would be You guys want to get to the interview Yeah And then maybe, do we have a voicemail we can do afterwards? All right, let's get to the interview. So it's an awesome interview, a very fascinating dude, former CIA operative, former Delta Force operative. His name's Gary Harrington, you don't, but you're fumbling for it. Yeah, Gary Harrington.

Yeah. I'm pulling it out right now. Thank you, Big T. You're welcome. Gary Harrington. I did. Well, would you rather, would you rather have done that or kept saying former CIA agent like four times while you were looking for it. No, I had it right here. Right when you said it. Yeah. Um, but yeah,

Big T's right. Gary Harrington is his name. I think it's better. Did you have it pulled up? Big Tee, you just remember it? Um, I did look it up about 15 minutes ago. There you go. I forgot because I knew we'd need it later. Yeah. Yeah, no disrespect. It's just, oh, Gary H. Gary H. Gary H. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As we call him because we know him so well. Yeah. I'm definitely pulling up to his crib, though. Definitely. Yeah. All right, we welcome on a very special guest to macrodosing. It's Gary Harrington from the new Netflix documentary series SpyOps. Gary was in the agency. He was in the CIA. Actually, we can maybe, let's start here. Can you tell us, just introduce yourself to our audience. What would you say is like, how did you

get down into this career path? I actually started out as a Marine officer long time ago and then got bored because I got promoted to captain. So I said, what's exciting? This is back in the 80s, right? So I was like, okay, I'm going to resign and I enlisted in special forces. So went to the army, became a special forces guy, went to Central and South America a lot, then heard about this thing called Delta. I figured I'd give that a shot. So I tried out for Delta. made it, went there for a few years, left Delta, actually got asked to leave Delta, and then went on to do other things. I served in fifth group, which is Middle East-oriented. So, and from that, I kind of got into these one-man missions that dealt with kind of intelligence matters in the Middle East.

So in doing that, I kind of got hooked up with agency people coordinated with them. 9-11 happens, you know, we remember that today, right? So 9-11 happened and, you know, I was in a key position to coordinate with the agency. So I was part of those first group of special forces that went over to Afghanistan to coordinate between the agency and the, and the special forces. And I wound up being on like four different agency teams in those early days of 2001 and two. Did okay with the agency.

So they borrowed me for two years after that to do some stuff in the run up to the Iraq war and in Iraq. And then after that, resigned on a Friday from the army or retired from the army on a Friday and went to work at Langley at the CIA on Monday. So that was my career path into the CIA. It sounds like a lot of adventures that you went on. And you could usually check out the Netflix documentary series SpyOps. It's fascinating.

It gives you a nice little glimpse into some of the stuff that maybe you might not know about that maybe you've just heard about or read, you know, surface level stuff. So check out the documentary series. It's very, very cool. You mentioned that you got kicked out of Delta Force. Yeah. What happened there? Well, you may have heard there was this person named Pablo Escobar a long time ago.

And I went down there. I was fairly new in Delta, but I spoke Spanish. So I went to Columbia. And I was down there and had a falling out with someone. and one thing led to another and, you know, I was the new guy and I got asked to go find a new place to work. Okay. Interesting.

It sounds like there's some stuff that maybe you might not be at liberty to discuss. I just have a general question about working in the agency because there are some people that I know that I'm pretty sure that they do some clandestine work. that I'm not allowed to know about. What do they teach you in terms of like if you have someone in your family or whether be a close friend while you're actively working for the CIA, if they start to like ask a lot of questions about about your job, what it is you do? Is there a way that you are trained to like ask them politely to stop inquiring further

about the things that you do? You know, I think that's a that's a funny thing. how it happens. To be honest, there's a more hype about it than it is for real. If a married person, your spouse is going to know if you're an officer. That's not the same as me going out and recruiting a spy because, you know, in a foreign country, if when I do that, I try, we try to keep it where that person does not tell their spouse, although I have, on occasion, let them, but I have to, like, write it up, get permission from headquarters and handle it in a certain way. You know, when you're, when you recruit somebody and you're,

it's kind of like you're having an affair on the side. Here's, here's somebody going off to secret meetings. They're not telling you where they're going or what they're doing. They're talking to somebody that, and you can never know. So if a wife catches it, it can look pretty cheat like someone's cheating, right? so if it's going to cause an issue in a marriage then like the last thing you'd want is somebody hiring a private eye to put on this person that you're secretly meeting so there's been times where you know if you do the right procedures that they can inform them as far as my own life yeah your immediate family knows uh heck when i was in delta they you know that was secret too

and you're not supposed to tell people that. But when your hair grows longer, you're wearing different clothes, you're doing different things. It kind of becomes that, like, okay, we say it's secret. It's not that big of a secret. Kids, I would probably keep it from kids when they're younger until they're old enough to not go blurting things around. but your other friends and yeah you have friends that know you well might suspect or think that you're doing it and some of the stuff you say is ridiculous like me you know i was undercover as a diplomat or state department diplomat political section a few times so you know i'd be in a country and it's like oh you're a marine delta sniper blah blah blah but all this stuff and now you're suddenly in the political

section at an embassy. So, you know, it's like, okay, but you just don't confirm it. Yeah. I bet there's also some people out there where the rules kind of reversed, where they are having an affair. They are cheating on their wife. And then they just tell their wife, like, I'm actually doing work for the CIA right now. So there are so many.

That's twice divorced. I have been approached by so many people that said, hey, my husband. and did some secret work. He was in Torobora and he did this. I'm like, and I'm thinking, yeah, and they tell me the story. And then, you know, sometimes you just let it go. But then sometimes I would say, hey, I hate to tell you this, but I was there. And that's a bunch of bullshit.

We got here dropping dimes. Come on. You can't narc on them. It can't be dropping dars, man. Yeah, but, you know, they kind of do a disservice to the people that did it, right? There's a lot of people. You know, I got to work with big media and Netflix to tell my story. But there's so many people that just, you know, give whole lives and careers.

They are never going to tell their story. Is there any, so, like, I'm a retired NFL football place, playing the league for eight years. And so watching football movies is kind of whack to me, right? Like, it's, it's, they're corny. because they just get so much, they exaggerate so much, and it's, it's kind of lame. So when you watch, like, The Born Identity or, you know, any other kind of like Super Secret Spy CIA movies, which I love, right? Do you get the same feels like that's kind of, yeah, it's not high ghost? Exactly.

I mean, it's the same thing. I, sometimes I don't watch movies that are popular about stuff that I was in because it's too far from the truth. especially with CIA movies because they show like the Jason Bourne stuff that's very, very rare than anybody does that. It's a lot more administrative than anything that they'll show. So in like even 13 Strong, the movie about the first SF guys in, you know, I was there in that and no. all those guys um it's it's a fun movie to watch but but it's way different than what what actually

happened were they really on horses yeah they were on horses just that all that combat stuff you see in the shooting back and forth from horses and stuff that none of that happened yeah billy i know you were really interested in this in the documentary series i know you've got a bunch of questions for um honestly you talked about how you're doing work in the Middle East pre-9-11, if I'm correct. And I was just wondering, what was the scope of U.S. intelligence agencies in the Middle East before 9-11, where there are active agents on the ground, which countries were more problematic? And what was exactly the sort of situation there from a, you know, bird's eye view?

well i'll talk about my i worked in yemen for a while 98 and so on 99 um and it was different you know each of these if there's no conflict going on at the moment it's the ambassador is running that country and or running the u.s presence there so it's they're trying to achieve their political ends and uh the CIA office in the embassy every every CIA office or station is they're called has an operational directive like okay if I'm in this country what are the what intelligence would be of use to the United States that I could gather so you try to operate off that but my experience in the military doing these intel things was to provide like a screen of security for other U.S. to come in. So it was getting more dangerous in the Middle East. But until 9-11, I don't think we really understood how much the sentiment had changed and just how big the terror threat was going to be. So did you not pick up a lot of the anti-U.S. sentiment that

came to be? Did you see it on the ground or was it sort of all of a sudden out of nowhere? Well, like, let's give you, so it's back to Yemen, again, because that's pre-9-11. And there was a group called the Islamic Army of Aden that made threats, but there was a really small group. Most of the people weren't that way. I mean, I wander all around the country, just walk up to places and go in by myself. Yeah, people look at you funny, but after a while, you know, they get used to you. And it was, I felt that it was okay. But, but even our time during Yemen in 98, 99, it started getting more violent.

They started doing car bombs. They took some hostages. They, uh, were trying to get on the compound where, when other military came in, where we were, um, you know, and then we all know what happened with the coal eventually in 2000. Yeah, so I guess prior to the coal, there was the, I think it was Tomahawk cruise missiles that we lobbed over into Africa and the Middle East that happened to coincide with Monica Lewinsky's stories breaking and then Bill Clinton just decided, you know what, I'm going to get these terrorists and take them out. That episode right there, like, were you involved in any of the intelligence gathering or what was the general consensus around the intelligence community when Clinton just decided to, okay, you know what, I'm going to fire some Tom Hawks? Well, I was a little bit pissed off, to be honest, because I was living in a neighborhood in Yemen. Like, okay, I'm the only one that looks like me.

And there was a mosque down the street that had always, you know, give the call to prayer. And that morning after those attacks, you know, I only spoke a little bit of Arabic. But I'm hearing this guy on the loud speaker all throughout the neighborhood railing on America and calling us, everything and devils and railing against Americans. And then when I found out about the attacks, I'm like, hey, you know, somebody should have let me know ahead of time because I'm not living in a good place to, you know, just to be caught by surprise by something like that. Yeah.

And then right after 9-11, it seemed like we figured out pretty quickly. We zeroed in on bin Laden and on al-Qaeda. So these are the guys that are responsible. but I don't know, I guess maybe I forget, I don't recall them taking credit for the attacks immediately afterwards. I feel like that happened, you know, gradually. It kind of trickled out. How quickly did we know and how did we find out right after the attacks took place that this was an al-Qaeda operation? So I've been in Delta before. So we studied terrorism. Before 9-11, how many people in U.S. spent a lot of time looking at terror groups and, and, and,

studying about terror so i knew of bin laden and they had done the kobar towers attacks uh we'd had the marine barracks in beirut attacked you know there were several attacks i think was at 98 the bombing in kenya at the embassy so they were active and like for example me the morning of nine eleven i was on the way to the airport to take a flight from uh nashville to to Tampa to coordinate a military exercise. I'm listening on the radio. I heard about the first plane going in. So yeah, you tell yourself, well, that seems odd

cause there's a pilot, a co-pilot, a flight engineer. How could none of them correct that? But you don't know. So I pulled into a little cafe, turned on their TV, and just in time to see the second hit. You know, so I was already thinking maybe this isn't an accident, maybe terror but as soon as the second hit because of my background i knew okay it's terror and and we immediately began planning um you know the invasion of afghanistan so it was immediate

that those in the know knew what had happened we might not have had proof yet but we knew who it was and where to go al-qaeda kept it secret for a while, because they thoroughly understood there would be retribution for that. So, but, you know, eventually it came out. So Operation Anaconda, after the 9-11 attacks, we go into Afghanistan, we tried to take out the Taliban, try to take out bin Laden, first and foremost. And I've always heard that we almost got him, like right off the bat, the first couple of months, we almost got him.

We came really close. How close did we actually get? Yeah, so how close were we actually to getting him? Are you talking yards, miles? You know, distance. I was on an observation post trying to call in bombs on the mountain where the tunnels were that he was reportedly in. So it was a few thousand, it's several thousand meters away.

And he was there for a while. It's just that with the force that we had to go up there and use them locals, it just wasn't working. It took too long to get up there. And the tunnel complexes that they were in were just too protected by the terrain, by the rocks. So, yeah, we were within, you know, a few. thousand meters of him uh what a couple miles i guess if you've been straight line distance for a while but somewhere around december 6th is when we think he got out because he was never

heard on radio again do we know how he got out um you know the path so there were squirters i feel we had we we as long as we were dropping bombs we were constantly dropping bombs hey everybody to get bin laden right so every every airplane that flew over afghanistan it had any bombs left came over torahora and said i'm here i got bombs where you want them and uh so we were constantly um dropping them but it's not it can't it's not you know they're not raining down all the time and there i think there were squirters a couple times at night i saw some lights way down in a valley moving and and so they could i mean they could move through we did not have them cordoned off and the whole back area of torpora towards the pakistan side that was wide open some warlord said

he was going to cover that area but a it's impossible to cover completely and be you know i'm not sure how much he was really trying yeah the loyalties of the guys in in that region from what I've read, it's just like, you know, they fluctuate on a week to week basis almost, like, okay, they'll support this person next week, okay, they can be bought off, support somebody else. So it's kind of hard to rely on those guys, right? Yeah, it is that you can, I mean, there's a saying that we used to say you could rent an Afghan, but you couldn't buy one, which, I mean, you had to deal with those shifting loyalties and understand that you're, I'm here now.

and we have money and we have the power. So you'll go along with me to a certain point, but I'm not going to count on it long term. And the night that Ben Lydden got away was a strange thing, and I've always been suspicious of the warlord that we were working with, Hazaret Ali, because we're up on this observation post, way up on this mountain top.

we're super high up and there were a few of his people with us and one night they came to us and said you have to move you have to go down the mountain we can't stay here and we're like why well it's too dangerous you can't stay and uh that hasrat ali sort of pulled everybody back now we didn't leave the afghans left us up there alone then left it was five or six of us and they went away for the night but i feel that's the night that that ubl made his getaway and always felt that while they thought you know they claimed they called that because they were going to get him uh and there was going to be some big surrender i i believe it was to let him get away way, but that's my personal belief.

With the modern technology we have in warfighting today, do you think that with the drones and everything, it would have been a much easier way to capture them? Do you think just technologically we weren't prepared to cover that area and that terrain? That terrain, like, for example, it was so steep, the mountain top we were on that if I'm calling in bombs, they're going to hit, you know, 2,000 meters in front of me, but we're up so high,

but down in the valley that it was a surprise you. You look in the plane at 25,000 feet, drop the bombs, and there they go zipping by you. Wait a minute. We're hitting something 2,000 meters away. Why are these bombs flying right by me? It's because we're, you know, up on this giant mountaintop and the targets there. So the bomb's path is going right by us. drones we didn't have a lot of drones in those days they were the the first version of

predator and so there was not constant surveillance and they were in tunnels a lot so you we could have found people coming out but then you have that issue of there's little villages dotted all along these valleys so is this some farmer out at night or is it badger guys, you know, is it 2 a.m., what farmer is out? So there was a lot of those questions, but surely as the drone program progressed and we had the Reaper, I am sure that we could have had a better picture on the battlefield about what was going on. Yeah, BT, anything? Yeah, there's a, is my mic on? Let's make sure his mic's going. Check, check. There we go. Okay. Um, there's a story in the show about you, uh, you see some guys in a car that are kind of looking

you up and down the wrong way and you get kind of a feeling and you all leave and then two minutes later, a car bomb goes off. Uh, I'm, I'm just curious. How many times would you say you've cheated death in one way or another? Well, some of that like isn't training. I've had, you know, a few accidents and your accidents in training where you're left, you know, hanging on to the side of a helicopter at 100 feet that's in a way that you're cheating death in it's just not that it's a combat one um for me i don't know i mean Afghanistan we walked out of an ambush once i got a bad feeling there were like six of us and uh we were set up i think and i you know I told the tactical leader I said we have to get out

out of here. This isn't right. The locals that were here have disappeared. I think we're being set up. And when we pulled out, we found out later that that radio intercept heard Al-Qaeda talking that they had put an ambush in around us part of the way, but they were waiting for everybody else to get in place when we left. So, you know, that's one we probably pretty lucky at walking away from that suicide car. bomb. Yeah, I was just real lucky then because, I mean, they had to look at me. I'm the American. I'm 25 yards from them. So they, I mean, I always thought that one of them could have said, hey, let's just do it now. There's an American. We'll, we win. And maybe the other guy said,

no, we're told to wait for a military convoy. So anyway, they didn't. They clearly recognized me is an American and we looked at each other. I was lucky and Rassul, who was with me, the interpreter, we were both lucky that that convoy just came along right after we left instead of while we were standing there. In the pictures of the aftermath of that, where we were, it's just gone. Everything is just obliterated. Can you talk a little bit about the relationship between the Taliban and al-Qaeda? Because I think a lot of people just assumed that they were operating as one unit when, in fact, there are two distinct groups. One was harboring the other.

But what was like, were they cooperating on everything? Were there beefs going on between those two organizations that made the political side of what you were trying to accomplish more difficult? I think that well first of all that they were hosting al-Qaeda and Al-Qaeda knew I think that there would be retaliation by America if their attack was successful

and as payback for that they they on what 9 September or 10 I think 9 September they assassinated Amit Shah Masoud who was the pan shiri leader

of the Afghans that were opposed to the Taliban. So it's like, okay, we'll take out your biggest threat before 9-11. And then after that, you know, Al-Qaeda were Arabs. So they were known as Arabs when I would travel around Afghanistan, talk to these people. They would talk about, you know, the darker skinned or the sandy-skinned Arabs. So they were foreigners, but they were Muslim. And then in addition, in the Pashtun areas of Afghanistan, they have this code called Pashtun Wali.

In Pashtun Wali, it says that if I have a guest, I will rather get my head cut off than he get a scratch on his ear because he is my guest. And that's how the Taliban viewed al-Qaeda. They were their guest. So that we always had to deal with that. Now, anytime al-Qaeda or any extreme Arabs come in, like take ISIS in Syria, when they come in and start living there, they instill a Wahhabi, very strict coat. law of code. You know, they're, they're cutting people's hands off, stoning people, keeping

girls from going to school. Eventually, the villagers don't like it, and they always wish they could get rid of them, but often by that time, it's too late. So that was something that I would always try to play on, too, was that, you know, villagers don't really, you know, they may have liked getting rid of corrupt officials at first but what the devil that they brought in eventually they come to dislike too yeah that's that's really interesting to think about like it i've seen a lot of like travel videos of people going to afghanistan and yeah they take their guests and it's like no you treat them like a king well so it's funny to think about like al qaeda was taking advantage of the Taliban's generosity and like making them feel bad and it's like man i really like to get rid of

this asshole who's here, but unfortunately, I'm not allowed to do that. Do you know through your intelligence gathering and things that you've heard from some coworkers, was Osama bin Laden ever aware of some of the alternate theories of 9-11, like that George Bush planted thermite in the towers and all that stuff? And if so, do you think was Osama bin Laden pissed off that people were making videos giving credit to somebody else? That's a good point I hadn't thought of. So, yeah, you know, I bet. I bet. that he probably would have been angry that that that there would be these theories of some other cause than them um you know those causes i always you know to be honest you know we

one man's version of truth as another man's conspiracy theory and i looked at those as like to be honest, pretty ridiculous. We tried everything we could for the whole time. I was there and until we got bin Laden to get him. There were resources that would probably never come to light that the U.S. spent a hell of a lot of money overall, a hell of a long time doing its best to try to find him to get him. the thing with the thermite grenades and all, you know, like, especially on the daylight today, um, I, I just think that's so disgenuine for people to, to believe that or that,

you know, I get pissed off at my government and my leaders sometimes, but to go that far, nah. Mm-hmm. I kind of want to explore that, though, uh, because when you're behind the scenes of things, like, like, I always like to say, like, when you see, like, when you see. behind the curtain, you kind of have a different vantage point than anybody else. And like from the outside end, especially because all of the propaganda fed to us on either side, we look at like the CIA as this like, I guess colloquially, we would

be like, you guys are like the, you know, the arbiters that kind of hide all the real shit that's going on. And you know what I'm saying? From aliens to political assassinations, right? So, like, a lot of gets, but from, you know, CIA brought in cocaine. Like, a lot of different everywhere, and it all gets placed on our agencies like CIA, FBI. And, you know, there's some truth to them, sometimes they're not, and you never really can know. And so, like, I guess my question to you would be, out of all your dealings with, you know, your agency,

is there anything that you have been, like, frustrated with, maybe not been a part of, but understood that we took part in? I don't know if you're allowed to say, but something that was like, yeah, man, we fucked that one up. Yeah, okay. So there's probably a lot. I'm going to be slower in talking now because I want to think through me going to jail. Yeah, don't know.

I come in peace. I want you locked up, bro. You know, it's kind of like being a soldier for me when I was in the CIA. It's like sometimes I thought this is some stupid stuff, but I'm ordered to do it. So my job is to promote the U.S. interests the best I can. And like, let's take Iraq, for example.

I was sent from Afghanistan to Iraq in 2002 to start doing some cross-border stuff. Well, we didn't invade Iraq until 2003. And all that time, President Bush was trying to build a coalition. I think a lot of people felt we were headed towards war in Iraq, but then there was all this wrangling going on. And yet, you know, being on the inside, you know, I knew that, okay, we are eventually going to go to war, but all this stuff that we did for, what, eight months prior,

was eight months that we essentially tipped off the enemy to what we're going to do and let him prepare for the ultimate invasion. So I thought, well, that was a political thing. It's kind of wasted. I'm not a fan of how we did Libya and what happened in Libya. I'm not a fan of how we dealt with Syria. And I was sort of involved in some of the planning of that. And a lot of times it's a, I felt there's a political end that superseded what was in the best interest of the United States. But the CIA has to deal with the White House, the National Security Council, the State Department, all those being. and they all have their institutional interest, but also there were individuals, I think,

within each of those that had their own political interest. And sometimes as the guy on the ground, you think, damn, you know, who's interest am I really, are we really doing this for? You know, but you have to, it's hard, especially if you're risking your life, at some point you have to say i have faith in a civilian-led government i can't have a general running everything i probably wouldn't want that either but um but i have to go forth and and do my

job and do it to the best of my ability and regardless you know i i i had a couple big victories and uh like getting rid of uh some high-ranking terrorist and You know, you watch the politicians take the bow. But I guess, I guess a follow-up question. I know we got to let you go here in a minute, man. But there's an ultimate question at the end I want to ask you. It's funny, but this one's kind of serious. It's like, so how do you square?

I mean, because I'm pretty sure that you have, you know, participating in some things that may be, you know, looking back, you know, as far as like taking orders wise, you know, you probably didn't agree with it. but like you said, you was doing your job, whatever the case you'd be. So how do you square that as like, like you said, you're kind of a soldier for the, you know, U.S. military interests who may have other interests, who may have political interests. How you kind of square like doing your job versus like, man, this shit don't feel right? It comes to a moral question.

If you get to a point where you feel the morality and ethics of it are wrong, then I think it's on the person to to to stand up and and do something hey i'm not saying maybe you don't see that a lot and and it's been i've never been pushed to the point where i felt it was that now okay well let me take that back with yemen and the run up to the coal i was the one single guy in the country that was saying, hey, this is just getting dangerous here. We got to do something. This isn't the peaceful place that all the politicians and the ambassador and the CIA are saying this is dangerous for U.S. interest here. And that's just when ships just started coming in. So I kind of went around the ambassador and sent a message back to Special Forces headquarters

about my assessment, which was that the Islamic Army of Aden, if it either got training from al-Qaeda or hosted an al-Qaeda cell, that they were capable of affecting an attack against U.S. interests. Well, guess what? When the coal happened, they hosted an al-Qaeda cell that did that. And after, you know, but I got creamed by the ambassador because I went around her and sent a message out that went against official policy.

And, you know, I could have got kicked out of country. They could have pursued other things. In the end, they didn't pursue that. But, you know, that's the one time where it pushed me to the point. I did not want to leave Yemen. I was getting ready to leave in 99. And then some attack like the coal happened and me, you know, never having said anything, then those lies, to me, would kind of be on me.

Right. Right. I appreciate you sharing it, man. I know you're kind of walking a thin line between saying what you can and saying what you want to. So I appreciate you being open about it, man. Last question I have for you. I don't know any of my coals have anything else, but aliens, bro. Do you have any info on extraterrestrial life that we've come in contact with that we know about

or anybody or know anybody in your department that has? I'm willing to take anything at this point. No, I don't. If I did, I'd be buying them some beers, try to loosen their tongue song. The only really weird looking, nah, I can't go there. Something about weird looking aliens and all, but then I don't want to tell them myself. There you go. What about the Candahar Giant?

Dude, I just saw that pictures of the Candahar Giant on Facebook. Facebook this weekend. I haven't had time to to look at that, but I want somebody telling me like, how was that photoshopped or what's that deal? Because that's pretty wild looking, you know, supposedly filmed and shot in 19, what, 23, something like that. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people say that that they still wander around Afghanistan to this day. But I guess you would probably be the guy that would know because you were there for a while some of them were tall i'll be honest some were tall there would be a guy on one of the teams there so in 2001 i jumped from team to team in different places uh in afghanistan and a lot of afghans are

kind of small but man there when i opened up a base uh in a place called orgoon up in the mountains by Waziristan, Pakistan border. And it was this dude, he was like, you know, he wasn't no giant like 10 feet like that. But this guy was like 610, somewhere like that. Stocky, big build. He held an AK, and it looked like a little kid's toy in his hand. But he was just like a simple, gentle person.

He used to come and try to make me tea. he was a nice guy but but yeah and in that area they were taller they were taller and uh thinner guys in that area but nothing that i would consider giant that guy was the closest i ever saw to like a giant but i was like shit my most of them were small and this guy's way big yeah billy's convinced that it's real i do have one last very quick question then we'll let you go you can check out spy ops it's on netflix uh it's a great documentary series and uh yeah check it out it's up there right now it's uh gary harrington but um my last question was as as a as a cia employee did you ever get access to any sweet gadgets like were there any cool things that

you use for tradecraft that would just like blow your mind or be or be cool to think about to this say like man i really wish i got to use that poison tipped umbrella one point yeah i know i just don't like umbrellas but yeah there's there's devices i mean yeah we we couldn't talk about some of the devices but if you go to the spy museum in dc or if you ever get a chance to go to the cia's spy museum there's really cool stuff and so it's not like new but like robotic fish that can carry things that look like a real fish and swim um the birds the little insect drones that look like an insect you know all kind of all those kind of things are are out there um they got robot birds so the do is right birds are fake i think it would i think the bird would be hard because the wingspan

is so much bigger to make that look be real it'll be hard but like you know an insect the way that would or like a hummingbird that would you i think you could do that with machines that would make a map more. All right. Again replace the birds. Yep. All right. Very cool.

Gary Harrington, thank you for joining us. We appreciate the time and check out SpyOps on Netflix. Hey, thanks, guys. Gary Harrington was brought to you by Track Phone.

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Yeah, Billy. Do we empty the clip? Yeah, Billy, empty the clip. Go for it before we do the voicemail. Okay, the farm was the CI's black site in Thailand. the salt pit was the CIA's black site in Afghanistan. Abu Ghraib was the Iraqi prison where the CIA did a lot of torture. The CIA never admitted to selling crack cocaine to America,

but there's a lot of evidence in the 1980s during Iran-Kontera in which they legally sold weapons to Iran, used the province to fund the Contra's, a rebel group in Nicaragua. In order to raise money, the CIA is alleged to have turned to drug trafficking, including the sale of crack cocaine. The first assertation was in 1984. a CIA contracted pilot named Barry Seal was arrested with 800 pounds of cocaine, and he claimed that he'd been working for the CIA. And then in 86, a DA agent named Michael Levine testified before Congress that he'd seen evidence

that the CIA was involved in drug trafficking crack cocaine to U.S. neighborhoods. We talked about MK Ultra, but one thing that we didn't talk about in that episode was that Marilyn Manson might have been associated with MK Ultra as he may have used some of the mind control techniques that they learned. Charles Manson Charles Manson my back Charles Manson

Charles Manson good catchdown yeah yeah yeah he's like Bill I haven't heard about this yeah Charles and Maryland

mixed up yeah he was involved so some guys such as Timothy Leary and Dr. George Wasson had both known Manson

and Manson may have used their teachings to have his create his family of psychedelically mind controlled murderers who did his bidding and we could do a whole episode on that.

Yeah. Did we do an episode on the Mansus? We did, yeah, not Maryland Manson, but Charles Manson. Charles Manson? I don't know. No, yeah, you're right. We did it was like the third episode.

I don't think it was a third episode. It was after Oceans, was two. It was the third. I just remember us talking about separating the art from the artist with his songs. Oh, you're right. Yeah. and he said he had that look at your game girl he had this all yeah which is a banger evil do though

uh the CIA agent once the CIA once produced a porno movie uh about an Indonesian government official who is anti u.s oh there's another another thing that i forgot the the CIA wrote a hit song have you guys heard about this in the club this the scorpions winds of chains Wins of Change was written by the CIA with the help of some other songwriters. I'm going to say, when you say CIA, what does that mean? I mean, so I don't have all the details about the song, but the premise is it was at the time when Eastern Europe was

started, the Eastern block was starting to fall apart. It looked like the West was going to win the Cold War. And they wanted a song that would be a hit in Europe that would encourage people to revolt against their government, are to embrace the new era of capitalism. And so they wrote a song called The Winds of Chains, or Wins of Change. And the Scorpions recorded it.

And it was a big hit in Europe. There's a fascinating podcast series. I listened to it like four or five years ago about the writing of this song and how the CIA was instrumental in it. But yeah, check it out. It's a true story. I'm a sample it and make a song about communism.

That's good. sample imagined by John Lennon and remix it with winds of change here the lyrics and I'm not going to there's a lot of hard words to pronounce so I'm not going to say it is it in English it is yeah

and it's also got a lot of lyrics but it's about it's about overthrowing communism and embracing one another as your brother through the spirit of rejoining capitalism huh so the CIA made a porno for a Sukarno who is an Indonesian president

who is a very anti-Western sentiment but so they like made a realistic life-like mask for this porn star who is fucking in Hollywood and then they sent it out to Indonesia the first deep fake yeah and the Indonesians all watched it and didn't really care even if it was him they're like yeah that's the president should be fucking

random man gets it on they didn't realize how Indonesians didn't really care about those types of scandals and also the CIA demoralized Soviet troops by air dropping extra large American condoms labeled medium

gotcha that's awesome this is their medium yeah it's a Jedi mind trick right there do you think that had any effect on them or was it just something so that we could feel

good about ourselves. I feel like it kind of fuel their hatred more. Yeah. Make them more motivated. You can't have these guys coming over. If they invade, they'll take our women with their huge penises. Yeah.

Black rhinos. They also kind of inadvertently created the Taliban. Yep. By funding the Mujah Hadim. Yeah, good point. Good point. Yeah, I didn't know if we were going to talk about that or not, but kind of did that one to ourselves a little bit.

Yeah. Also, low-key funded a lot of Ukrainian Nazis in the beginning. And let's hope that doesn't have the same result. If America just hadn't, like, funded all these anti-communist leaders, like, do you think, like, anything would have happened? Like, do you think the entire world would be communist now? No, we just decided that, like, the domino theory was a real thing, where if, like, Central America turned communist or, like, one country in Central America. then the next one would, then Mexico would, and then the United States would turn communists.

It was just kind of like a doctrine we came up with and we're like, well, that's close to this place on the map. So. Yeah, I mean, I guess it was scary at first when Russia and China both went communists because they're like two of the largest countries in the world. Yeah. But yeah, after a while, you just got to chill the fuck out. Well, there is a little truth to Domino theory

that if the neighboring country would then be able to fund communist efforts, in that country to cause them to be more amicable. But it wasn't ever going to hit the United States. It was so far away from that ever happening. Well, no, they just, that's where there might be a problem. They just wanted more prospective trade partners

that were going to give them good deals on extracting all their resources. Yeah, it was like the best laid plans of mice and men all have fuckups in them. Like you can try to do something really good what you think is right, but then you're not thinking in advance. It's like, well, maybe in 20 years, the Taliban is going to pop up here.

Also, CIA involvement in Saudi Arabia, something to look into. Do you want to talk about like trade exports, developing close ties with royal family, maybe some of their brothers and sisters and cousins, end up starting up a little thing called Al Qaeda and then yada, yada, yada, and then we have to go into Afghanistan and try to kill them. And then maybe make action figures out of this person because in 2005, the CIA wanted Hasbro to make Osama bin Laden action figures that their GI Joe's could beat up to make him like a super villain to the children.

Imagine how much those would be worth right now, like on the irony market, people buying Osama bin Laden action figures. Oh, my God. And last but not least, the most mundane CIA fact of all time, they have been modifying Wikipedia articles since 2007 those motherfuckers those motherfuckers really yeah they've been going in and and editing Wikipedia articles can you see can you see which ones they like to edit I think it's usually ones about the CIA but basically here's my impression of the CIA is they're not unlike the actual agency is not unlike most other jobs and most other corporations

across America where people get hired there and they try to advance their careers inside the department and they have to come up with projects to do in order to make a name for themselves and get that next promotion so they just sit around thinking of projects that they can like take on and that this will be my operation and then they have virtually unlimited funding on the operations that they want to do and then it's just really like a guy's plan that he comes up with in a room so that he can buy a lakehouse somewhere or pay for his kids college and then next thing you know we're establishing shell companies in al salvador or we're like sponsor we're like co-sponsoring uh like vessels to go partner up with texico and go down to

the equatorian rainforest and do all sorts of fucked up shit down there it's all because this one guy is like i have to have a project for q4 a major initiative that we're making yeah like they my bosses have to see that i'm busy yeah yeah yeah there's it's like it's like any other job you have to do something and have your bosses like the work that you do so you just come up with ideas out of out of thin air you're like yeah let's do this this sounds great and then it becomes like policy of the entire united states to back up your little dream that you had so the craziest so this is a conspiracy but the craziest CIA conspiracy in looking I know we don't have much time but what is that osama bin laden was a CIA asset the whole time and they

basically used him in propaganda to send and create this network of terrorists just so the U.S. could then go fight the terrorists and create a whole system where they could like test out like military imperialism on the Middle East by creating a false enemy and having Osama bin Laden as their leader who was actually a CIA asset. So if that was true, Billy, I feel I don't want to say that what you just said was crazy, but like it's creative. It's creative because like all of his transmissions coming from caves, like, because they were in caves, you couldn't see that he was like in Afghanistan or in Pakistan and they were all just like in America the whole time. I would have picked a smaller guy to head this up. I wouldn't want there to be like our enemy is this like six nine guy.

That's like super imposing. Well, whatever, six four. We probably should have picked like a smaller guy that looked a little bit like. I don't know, creepy. That's all I'm saying. He also should have hoot because he's tall as hell. But like, wouldn't that be crazy if like Osama in line like never was actually out there and he was just always with us and that he was never killed? He was just like a figment of CIA propaganda to pump him up to be this huge terrorist leader and cause all these people to like try to fight America just so he had an opponent to spend our military industrial complex dollars on.

That'd be wild. It'd be wild if it was true. And get real. Are you trying to say he was just a figment of our imagination? Or like a fictional character. Because think about how I'm not believing this. But the way it was put out is that like al-Qaeda existed as Osama bin Laden was a content creator. And he was sending out all this content.

Let's get to voice. Yeah, yeah. Let's get to voice. Yeah. Let's get to voice-mast. thank you for that but is that wild no because like all right no we're doing voicemails billy

all right do you want to intro gary again no that was gary oh that was gary i think we yeah we already did we already did gary yeah okay here hey guys it's justin from western

old Louisiana go tigers big tea your whole suck my question is for aryan um erian i appreciate you giving us takes on not only sports but philosophical matters religion politics stuff like that but my main question is about the NFL and you kind of have the same vibe but it seems like a lot of these players are getting into commentating or analysts or into media and it seems like they all have the same feeling toward

the NFL and they're not very fond of it so how does it go from being a kid's dream to be in the NFL getting in the NFL making that life-changing money and then getting out and just like I said not becoming not very fond of it or not having very good opinions or stories about what happened in the NFL so maybe you can fill me in on like what changes behind the scenes thank you guys so much I listen to every episode look forward to it see you good question yeah it is a it's a good question but it's pretty typical I mean it's just like you know it's like any job right I think sports in general like has a prestige about it and you grow up and it becomes a part of your childhood and you have a favorite team.

But then it's still a business, right? And like any business, it's run by people and it's run by people with interests. And when you see the business side of it, you see kind of like, you know, the inhumane society. It takes away the fervor of it that you fell in love with because it's like this magical thing when you're a kid that takes you away from you, you know, it's entertainment, so it takes you away from your problems, you know, for three hours every Sunday or whatever the case may be. And it's like you fall in love with it. But then on the back end, you see, you see dudes getting fucked over in contracts, which in turn affects their families, which in turn affects

those kids' lives. And you see, you know, you see that side, the dirty stuff that, that, you know, personnel does or the NFLPA versus the ownership negotiations and how they're really just trying to fuck people over. And like, once you see that kind of side of things, it salties it for, I guess just like the, you know, the disdification of it. Like, it's not, it's not beautiful anymore. It becomes like this. It's a business, and you have business critiques, and you have things that you like about it. There's things that I, you know, I enjoy about the NFL, but there's also things that's, you know, I find very hypocritical on the business side.

And people end up being greedy and you see the other side, like where you see agents or financial advisors, rob dudes for $300,000, $400,000. You see that side of shit with a sharks everywhere? it just it's nasty man it's just it gets gross is it is fair to say that like overall you think that the NFL was that was a good thing for you but you also like after being in it you see how the sausage is made and there's a lot of shady shit that doesn't live up to that you know like you said the disnification the the perfect life that you assume that you have once you get into the NFL I think that's the thing right it gets like you know I see a lot of comments sometimes like because, like, I enjoy Twitter, so I go to my mention.

So I'll see a lot of people. I haven't been going on lately because I can't deal with the comments anymore because it bothers me. But, like, you'll see people that, oh, you're so ungrateful. And that has been such a branded thing. And it has happened inside the NFL, too. Like, you'll see, like, the promotional videos the NFL play before every season. Like, Chris Carter big on this, right? He'll be like, it is a privilege to put on their uniform.

It's a privilege to play in this league. And I just disagree with that whole heart. I think it's a right that you earn. And you earn that right for the blood, sweat, and tis that you put. put in on the field, that you, that you, that you, that you earn that shit. And they branded as this privilege. And if by the, I mean, by the logic, I guess it is a privilege, but breathing is a privilege, right? Because not everybody has privilege to breathe. But I think in this specific instance, I think it's petty to call it a privilege because it makes it feel like,

I owe you something for doing this. You know what I mean? That's like, they try to market it and brand it like that when it's like, no, bro, we are the product. we make this shit go for years we made these people billions of dollars like and there's nothing wrong we're operating in that sense and one in that same respect and return but you don't but you don't get it and so you feel like this like but shut up you're just lucky to be here like and and after the while that you get like well fuck you too I also think that a lot of people look at somebody that's made it to the NFL and in people's minds it's like well that dude's good that dude's set for life like good for them like it becomes a thing if you play in the league it's like millionaire

boom done yeah they have a great life now and it's not always like that no it's definitely not that you know i was i was lucky in a sense where i got um i got extremely lucky in meeting the right people right like i said i know a lot of people who have gotten robbed by their financial advisors i know a lot of people who you know now they're working they work in jobs they go to work every day and so like i got lucky where you know i did the right things made some good investments um you know that's luck. I didn't go to school for finances. I don't know. I got a I know a I know a little bit, but it's just from, you know, me running with people who do know what they're doing. And so that aspect of there's also, like, it's hard to navigate because, you know, you just wanted

to grow up, play football. And I mean, that's another thing that people don't take into account where it's like, if you, if you was to meet some stranger at a bar, but like, what do you do? And they tell you profession and like, you give them their life story. I'm like, yeah, man, I was seven years old. I've, you know, I've done this thing. I've been working towards this goal every single, every single year. You know, I've been working, work and working. And then 20 years later, I finally made it, you know, to the point where I could take care of my family.

You'd be like, man, that's so admirable and that's amazing. But when it comes to sports, people go, you just got lucky. You hit the genetic lottery. It's just luck. And so you don't get looked at, like, man, you really perfected this craft. Like, you just look at it like, you just dumb athlete. And that kind of seeps in overtime as well. But it's not just fans.

It's also administration that looks at you like that. It's also, you know, the high, what we call it upstairs, you know, the owners, the GMs, yeah, yeah. And, like, they're a little bit more favorable, but they don't, they don't respect your mental like that as well. And so after a while, to my man's point on the phone, after a while, you start getting sour to the entire process. And some people don't. Like, there's some people who get retired and still bang that NFL, the privilege drum. I don't understand them, cats. But after a while, you see the cats, you start calling out their bullshit.

It still caught us. So like, I'm heavy into like talking shit about the NFL, not talking shit, but just like calling out the hypocrisy. Like you give a fuck about players, give ex players healthcare. You give a fuck about players, get rid of Thursday football. Like you give a fuck about, you know what I'm saying? Like this kind of stuff. Like you steady negotiating with the NFL P all day trying to bang against player safety, but

then in the public going to say you care about player safety. It just doesn't make any sense. And NFLPA, I don't have a lot to say about them because there's a lot of the same shit and it's all about money. And so at the end of the day, you just get the. tired of the process and you just, you just call it out for what it is. And also, we live in a different world now where there's so much content, like ex-players can say and will do so much that it's not going to stay around like it would back in the day. Like if a player back in

the day, like the AI practice thing, that's embedded in our mind, you know, it was a generational moment. But like those moments happen so much now that it's just, it's just not the same. And so like players are more vocal now than they have ever been because everybody has a medium. Yeah. Makes sense. All right, good answer. Thank you guys for joining us on this week's Macrodose. We'll be back next week.

Got a guest coming in. I'll just say. His name's Adam Richmond. You may know him as man for man versus food. He's done a lot of other stuff, but that's where I think a lot of people will recognize him from. Very fascinating guy. As Aryan texted the group chat during the interview.

he goes, this motherfucker is an almanac of food and food knowledge. He really knows everything. So he's joining us next week and we'll be back. Love you guys.