Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Bernie Madoff ft. Large

Episode Date: July 19, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew welcomes on finance specialist, Large from Barstool's 'Twisted History' podcast to talk the Ponzi scheme king, Bernie Madoff. Everything from his early beginnings to his inevitable downfall which was his $64.8 billion dollar Ponzi scheme. Also, Billy Football returns and has MANY takes to rifle off. All of this and more on today's show. Enjoy!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

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welcome back to macro dosing, the only podcast that you're allowed to listen to because it's the only one that exists on Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher. Where else are people listening to podcast these days? Audible. Audible. Computers at the local library.

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It's a nice breezy hour-long video. But it got, people loved it. Thank you, Avery. We appreciate it. Yeah, you were a little skeptical of the time before. I was wrong. Yeah. I can admit it.

I was wrong. Listen, when Avery gave me the reason why he wanted to make it an hour and said, well, the podcast is like four hours and people like that. That sold me. So, Avery, great job. Yeah, my holdout. Yeah, there you go. We appreciate you.

Today, we welcome back. Billy, welcome back to the show. Thanks, guys. It's been a month. I don't know. Should we clap for that? Yeah. We're, he learned.

He grew. Yeah. We're clapping. Like sabbatical or some shit. We're clapping for Billy, um, for, for the celebration to mark the occasion of Billy's return. The family's back together. The family's got.

Y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, hi-key created a martyr, though. People were like, free Billy, man. He was just late. You guys are assholes. I'm like, bro. I didn't make the call. You can't get out my mentions. Yeah.

Yeah. Billy, yeah, he did. Speaking of martyrs, Shinso. Okay, well, I- former prime minister. We're getting right into it. I was going to ask you what you've been thinking about. Dude, I got thoughts, man.

I've been keeping these bottled up. We could start there. We got, we got... What happened, Billy? You want to explain what happened to Shenzhou? So the former vice president. Former president, I think, right? He was the leader.

A former prime minister of Japan got shot with a principal gun a 3D printed gun uh he got shot with it he's dead uh that was wild apparently it had to do with his associations with a church the unification church of japan did you guys talk about this at all the no block did but we didn't yeah so so the moonies is the name of the korean church that the assassins no but the assassin's parents were like very active in the mooney church and they lost a lot of money because it's cult-like. Yeah. And I think Shenzo, is it Abbe, Abe?

Abe, I think, Abe. If you're going to be a president of anything, just don't, don't be named Abe. We're 0 for two on Abe's. Yeah. Are they the Moonies? Are they the same thing? Is the Unification Church? The Moonies is the Unification Church of Korea.

Church of Japan, Moonies? Are they Moonies? I'm talking about the Korean one. Oh, the Korean one's different? The Moonies, yeah. Okay, so I have a hot take, and this has been going around. So Abe sort of centered a lot of his ideas about ensuring population growth in Japan because they have such a terrible birth, not, I mean, it's just low birth rate.

Nobody fucks. They're bad at, they're bad at babies, making babies. And he was a big, like, we should be having babies right now. And there's many takes that he, like, in his sort of sentiment, he was a very controversial, figure in Japan, as many leaders are, but they think that he purposely tried to get shot or he had himself shot

so that his message of Japan should be fucking more lived on. And he made himself a martyr. You think it was a reverse. Yeah. If that's true, he's the most dedicated to a bit that anyone has ever been.

No, no, but not even a bit, but like, think about it, he's worried about the future of the Japanese people. Enough to kill himself? Yeah, because if he didn't do that, then the whole of like the Japanese people would cease to exist. How many people, how many weird dudes in Japan that are buying panties out of a vending machine are like, you know what, Abe died. I think I really need to like go get myself a wife now. Well, they might actually think about like martyrism. It is very powerful.

There was a guy, Billy's not like entirely talking out of his ass with this being a possibility because there was a guy, a high up government connected lawyer. I want to say in Guatemala, that did this exact thing where he set up a hitman to have himself killed on a specific day because he had a tape that he wanted to be released implicating the president, I think it was Guatemala. Somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but implicating the president, I think the vice president, a lot of the higher ups in the government of actively running a criminal enterprise. And he knew that if he were to be killed, that tape, that he would then release being like, hey, I made this tape in case I got killed. He knew that that would be all over the news.

And I think he also lost a lot of his family in their years preceding that. So he didn't have a lot to live for. And it was used as a tactic for him to get that information out. They ended up finding out exactly what happened. So it's not like it hasn't happened before. I think it's just a very hot take that Billy's delivering this right now. I have so many hot takes. This is just the first.

I don't even want to talk about this suspension. I just want to talk about these takes. Also, let's not act like self-sacrifice. isn't part of the Japanese cultures dating back to the samurai where there's a lot of honor in dying for a cause such as just the like existence of the Japanese people moving forward. So he did look pretty surprised to get shot as most are yeah I didn't watch the shooting tape did did you see it does there tape you saw I saw one of the videos of it yeah I haven't seen the tape the gun is crazy it's like a 3d.

Okay, now we're getting to guns. It's like a sawed-off shock. Are you sure it was 3D printed? It was 3D printed. It was just like it was 3D printed. It didn't look like a gun. Definitely was like an electrical tape holding that shit together. It didn't look like a gun.

It's sort of from what I saw, there's like no triggers, not built like a gun, but it was like almost looked like a cylinder that just basically like Roman candled real bullets at him. So now here's my next take. Wait, real quick, 3D printing. People are just going to be able to make their own guns left and right now. Yeah, so there's no, I mean, gun control. I mean, yeah, that's been happening. Not talking about. It's a serious issue.

And there's so many printable versions. I mean, I was looking into it one day and there's tons of files out there where you can print whatever the fuck you want. And I saw some TikToks of some dudes shooting some of these things. And they're not as reliable as real guns. He was like saying how sometimes they fuck up. But I'm not going to get into gun. control but I mean we've seen like since I've been gone there's been like how many mass shootings yeah interesting there was like three or some two or three since you're interesting

no but what I'm saying is from for the second we started talking about this remember when like okay there's the gun issue yeah that's one issue why aren't there more people looking into these places on the internet where we know these groups are gathering in like getting push should do these mass shootings. Herschel Walker's trying to. That was a major platform. Is that his point? Investigate men are looking at women who are looking at social media.

Yeah, men on social media looking at women who are looking at social media. We need to have brilliant policy minds. We need to investigate all that and figure out what's going on. But Billy's right. We did talk about this on the show. Thanks for listening, Billy. But we talked about how there are known places where people, are like actively encouraging people to do these shootings

and like calling it the high score and it's like a it's a sick subculture that does exist out there but we completely lack the resources or the desire to really figure out a way to stop these things before they happen like that July 4th guy fucking had so much like literally like for lack of a better term

he had so much content out there like why the fuck aren't we seeing this shit before it happens? y'all argue against all the time like free speech they got free speech and they can say what they want and do what they want without any kind of regulatory oversight that's the issue that's what we say that that's the whole point of regulating speech is like sure you can say whatever you want but some of that shit should be looked at right right but that's what was there there's agreement on that but like there's a big difference between there's not agreement on that no no I mean

the thing is there's stuff taken down that isn't that like how come that gets through but what this is just popular that's that's that's the thing is like usually the people that aren't for it they just don't agree with who's like like who's who has the the the the the the issue is right and so you're always going to have that as long as there's any kind of regulations somebody's not going to like how they're regulating which is a part of the show but it is yeah i mean by the way all these are just takes uh not necessarily fully invested in them but row v wade trying to up the birth rates for world war three so the americans have more soldiers okay yeah that's a take i'm going to count that as a take on the day and again

my daughter was asking me something what did you say uh they're trying to increase birth rates for a larger fighting force for world war three by repealing roe v wade i'm not really like saying anything else about it but could be a possibility it could be but world war three is not going to be really like in my opinion it's just gonna be like i thought this is gonna be nuke yeah i mean it's gonna be new war so it's like you're gonna be many you don't mean many soldiers for that i know but did you see the um new york city released a PSA about the nuclear bomb threat it was like so vanilla as fuck it was so like not nuclear i was looking at the old nuclear PSAs from like the 50s and 70s and they were all like like fallout type stuff like there was more showing bombs it was a little more like like in this one was

just like it looked like a she literally she walked into the frame and she's like so it hit he's like don't ask how don't house when but this is what she should do but she was like the big one hit the big one hit oh my god i felt so bad so my shorty was she was just got all her stuff moved in like and we're literally she's literally got her car and she's bringing like the last bag of the stuff from her car into the room and uh i put on one of those youtube fake PSA that there's a new Newt coming from Russia, so I put it on. And I was like, oh, my, fucking, oh, my, I'm doing that shit there, like, totally selling this shit.

And she's like, what? And she's walking in, and she just looks, and she's like, oh, oh, my God. I got to call my mom. She was like, fucking proud. I was like, yeah. I didn't know she's going to go for her. She went for it. It was the funny shit.

I felt bad. You did War the Worlds on her. Like you fake, I said, I said, I don't know, you can find it on YouTube. It says that there was, there was nukes already sent. They were going to be hitting in the next, like, 30 minutes from Russia. And it was, I think, L.A., San Diego, Houston, New York, and D.C., I think, was like, the five cities. And she was, like, fucking freaking out. That's the first thing you did when she moved in with you?

She's like, what if I signed up for? She, like, just walked in the house. It was hilarious. I remember back in, I want to say, 2011, there was, like, a leaked. report that came out from North Korea. It was like North Korea's plans for attacking the United States and it listed the cities that they were

going to fire the missiles at first. Or there was like there was like a picture of a board that Kim Jong-un had up behind him and it showed the targets that they were looking at with an initial strike. And it was like L.A., New York, D.C., and then Austin, Texas was on there. And I was in Austin at the time and I was like, what the

fuck? It was like Christmas Eve, wasn't I feel like I remember we had like gone to a movie or something and came home and I was like oh we're about to get nuked by North Korea I'm pretty sure it was Christmas Eve there was another thing that happened in Hawaii a couple years ago

it was 2017 and the entire state of Hawaii got an emergency text message sent to them if you were there you got it on your phone and it said along the lines of a nuclear or a suspected nuclear weapon has been launched you have like five minutes prepare yourself get inside and it was just it was some guy that was testing the system and he wasn't supposed to actually send it out to everybody

but he forgot to check the like test button yeah and so it went out as a mass message to everybody there everybody panicked for like 10 minutes why need you just test the word test like this is a test instead of this is a nuclear bob i don't know but i have a hot take about that it was it was the The night before Marcus Marriota played against the New England Patriots in the wildcard game, Matt Patricia, former nuclear rocket scientist, was defensive coordinator on the Patriots. Marcus Marriota, his old family's in Hawaii. He was the quarterback on the Titans. Were they trying to throw him off the night before?

We don't have the answers to those questions. I was doing some research in my time in suspension on drone technology and how a lot of drone technology wasn't. You know, a lot of the commercially available drone technology was a government technology, you know, 10, 20 years ago. And then I was sort of thinking about what the implications of that are. So if they were able to fly drones like we have commercially now back in early 90s, even late 80s were using them, what does the government have technologically wise now that we, so I've officially decided and we can all sleep better at night that all those UFOs were seeing. are 100% like the U.S. governments and they are the nuclear defense system

for the United States that's like secret to everybody else except a select few. So those drones that they're seeing like all the naval pilots are seeing are like protectors and they're shutting like if a nuke gets shot towards us they like, you know, iron dome it

and because they can move at super like physically impossible speeds that they can fight these hypersonic missiles Russia has and stuff so that like makes me feel really safe that's good so we shall be safe that's one less thing to worry about yeah so nukes those those missiles are very very fast too yeah they're pretty much impossible to get shot down because there's the rockets that we would use to shoot them could not ever catch up to we have to calculate the exact precise point of impact that it would need and since they're going so fast it's extremely tough to figure out okay it's traveling at this speed

right now with the air resistance that it's going to be meeting how what will the missile be traveling at in a thousand miles and then you have to calculate that exact spot trust me i've tried this in my digital combat simulator it's next to impossible to shoot those things down but if you had something that moved uh physically impossibly like these UFOs were seeing yeah that could track it down it could so i think like we're safe boys okay or like hypothetically there could have been a new heading towards Hawaii, but our system killed it before it could actually get there. Good point. Yeah. That's an outstanding. I hadn't thought about that. Now for some more lighthearted thoughts that I had. Led Zeppelin had a fireplace in their

private jet fully working. That's impossible. Okay. Like you're flying. You need a chimney. And even if it was a gas fire, that's not safe in an oxygenated oxygenated pressurized plane. That's why you can't really smoke on planes. You can't even bring a Samsung Galaxy on a plane. Didn't know that. Well, the old ones. Oh, yeah.

They would blow up. Yeah. So how'd that happen? I don't know. This is the first time hearing about the fireplace on the plane. Yeah, look it up. It's wild. Does the Liv Tour?

Does their private jet have a fireplace? A plane's sick. I don't know. I didn't see that. It's crazy what blood and oil money will get you. Yeah. You got to look that up, Billy. Speaking of the Saudis.

Get your ranch in Crawford, Texas is what? we'll get you. So the dollar is now worth more than a euro for the first time. Let's go. That's fucking U.S. supremacy. Thank you, Brandon. Yeah. Right, Big T?

Yeah. I thought he didn't control. Wait, does he or doesn't he? Well, I'm asking you. I thought he did it. I thought that's where we were right now. He doesn't. I don't actually think that's good.

The dollar being over the euro, but as a young child, knowing that the euro in like the pound were worth more than a dollar used to really piss me off. that's some like elementary nationalism right there yeah the pound used to just kick the shit out of the dollar why is it like i always used to like look down like oh like funny money from different countries and then like knowing that we were funny money to other people's countries really pissed me off i'm just my mindset is as long as we're beating canada as long as i'm looking at the back of a book a hardcover book and it lists the american price and then the canadian price is like two dollars more i'm fine with that well since the dollar isn't even worth the

anymore i'm glad it's worth a euro at least yeah uh they're trying to take our jewels that's fucking get the fuck away from my jewel big government uh let's get libertarian we need to fight for the right to jewel because these puff bars i think it's china i think china's trying to take away our jewels um because they manufacture all those puff bars and those cheap ass soap smelling vapes which are probably way worse for you and all manufactured in china jewel uh at least their pods are made in the U.S. And I like that American-made vape in my lungs, not that Chinese vape. Was that a, I feel like the Trump administration was the first, their FDA originally floated out the Jewel ban.

Yeah, but that was, it was even under Obama. And for the record, I think that something is going to have to happen with Jewel because it's so addictive. It's way, it's way worse than cigarettes. We've talked about that in this show. I know, but it's not. It's, I think, physically harmful, I don't think it's anywhere. I think, or it was just put together by big tobacco to get people hooked again and just get people smoking cigs again. Because I know a lot of people who started jewellying, like, high school and even middle school and who were ripping it in the bathrooms who now just full out acoustic.

It's crazy that kids in middle schools now are just like ripping the equivalent of cigarettes in classes. Yeah. I could never imagine that. Like, they're just blowing into their shirts and trying to get away with it. That sounds pretty cool, though. I'm not going to lie. I think it's better than six over the long run. I don't know about that.

Do you guys talk about the Georgia Stones? We did talk about the Georgia Stones, yeah. A little bit. What are your thoughts? I mean, they got blown up and then destroyed within a couple days. I don't know what's behind it. But it's definitely no way to know. I'm 100% with Big T on his take.

What was your take, Big T? I'm going to be 100% honest with you. remember uh i'll remind you uh i don't care that they were there before and i don't care that they're gone now yeah i didn't know they were there before uh they were high key uh eugenics had like one of their commandments was like eugenics and uh population control um so i think it was just too obvious they got rid of it um next on the list uh the viking sagas talked about when dingo's in the same way that Native Americans talked about Wendingoes

so the Vikings talked about encountering these like walking maybe there might be like I don't know maybe like one or two percent of people out there that don't know what a Wendingo is okay I thought we were dealing with I thought this is a conspiracy podcast you should compare it

so a Wendingo a Wendingo is a mythological creature or evil spirit which originates from folklore of the plains and the Great Lakes natives so basically a lot of times they're seen they're like shapeshifters they a lot of times look like walking upright uh deer and they're pretty gnarly they're they it's it's uh they they're cannibalistic so i think that's the first of i've heard that word like used like in a real like for real what they're pretty gnarly like i thought it was like a joke people yeah gnarly is a it's

a throwback of a word it's like 80s 90s well they're gnarly they eat they're they people who transfer form into these beasts and then they try to eat people there's actually a cultural psychosis i think we i don't know we talked about this before but there's uh uh wendigo psychosis is a cultural a culture bound syndrome so uh we talked about how schizophrenia in eastern nations isn't seen as malevolent like the voices aren't like telling them to do bad things it's just culturally hearing voices was like hearing the voices of ancestors but in a cultures where hearing voices is you know the ideas of demons like god doesn't talk like god or your ancestor doesn't talk to you usually like a devil possesses you uh so in some first nation communities

they get wendigo psychosis wendigo psychosis is like a sort of a culture bound schizophrenia where people think that they're uh they get like intense craving for human flesh and become like intense fear of becoming a cannibal and like it's sort of so anyway wind dingoes are these beasts that uh were described by the native americans but also the vikings who landed in newfoundland like the first europeans to ever reach arguably the first europeans to ever reach america were thought to be the Vikings, Leif Erikson, Eric the Red, you know, Iceland, Greenland, a little bit of Canada. They encountered Native Americans. And this is probably the one cultural, like, clash we know, like, one of the least about.

And it's one of the most fascinating. But they both describe when dingoes. So I'm low-key thinking that when dingoes fought Vikings autumn North America, which is the most metal, like, crossover I ever think. I think that would be an awesome piece of art that someone should do, just like Vikings versus Windingos battling. You know, I might write a script about what I think happened. What else? Okay.

You're right, though. I think the Windingo Viking battle, if they had like an epic battle that expelled the Vikings from North America, I think that would be very metal. Or just like the Vikings showing up being like, oh, look, nice land. Let's do farming. Why are the Vikings Russian? They're not Russian. I was trying, it's a little more Norwegian with it.

I could do full Russian, but they won't do it together. Read your next thought in Russian. Um, oh, uh, that brief moment where people knew that their numbers had power in Storm Area 51 in Lollapalooza gangs. Remember that time where we like started order. orchestrating events to like storm area 51 yeah storm wallopalooza be like uh facebook yeah and like people were starting to become conscious that like populism in you know high numbers and banding together could actually accomplish great things what what happened when did that stop i don't know if it was that deep i thought i think we all just thought it would be funny to make

facebook events no but it was just like a cultural awakening they were storming lalapalooza you're talking about you're talking about the proletariat joining together against the bourgeois Billy's low-key discovering Marxism I think he is like and then so

I think the most powerful one of those I seen was anonymous Anonymous did that early on too I was like Longcat long they had like they were they first discovered memes and they had this common shared thing

and they all got together and it was like really fucking up institutions they were like there's a whole I watched the whole thing on it but they were like PFT do you remember this? Yeah probably better with the details I know I don't know any of the details behind it but I do remember when Anonymous first started like banding together and they would just like pick a different

target that they wanted to go after Yeah and so they would Financial institutions things like that Yeah yeah and they said they would like It was as first they did it with like With video games and shit But then it started like they really started doing like you said financial institution and stuff that that was the first time i said that

was really impactful and powerful but well before that there would be flash mob so it would people would just get together and like dance in a library for a while that's kind of what we used it for and then it became okay let's storm area 51 i don't know if it really fell off that much i think people are still doing it but the area 51 thing stood out because everyone kind of wanted to know what was going on there yeah i think the last big one was uh protests over roe v wait yeah they've been doing that yeah I got a couple other Coyote Peterson This dude had a super fake Bigfoot skull

And said like oh I found Bigfoot But it was just a gorilla skull I think it was like a mold of a gorilla skull Kind of haven't really followed up on that But he said oh I found a Sasquatch hominid skull In the Pacific Northwest Is that the dude that gets stung by shit? Yeah

All right so we should have him on the show Coyote Peterson I don't know if you've seen his YouTube videos Can we put that in a list Avery Yeah absolutely I think he's he's top-notch. Yeah, he would be a great guest. He's huge on YouTube.

He's a guy that he gets stung by the most painful insects and animals to get stung by. And then he records it and then just like, he just screams for a while and then tries to describe in detail what the pain feels like is the most sick ASMR. This is the most like boy thing ever. Why? His YouTube page, Brave Wilderness, has 20 million followers or subscribers, I mean. It's a good point, though. Matt Doug. Like, I could never see... That's such a dumb fucking thing to do. A woman would never be like, okay, so I'm out here with a bullet ant and I've got it in a mason jar and I'm going to hold the jar upside down.

Does he like aggravate it too to like make it worse? Yeah. Why, how is he alive? Like, how is he not died of like being, like poison? I don't think he goes after like king cobras. Yeah, he's not actually get bit by him. He's not getting injected with venom. He's getting stung by wasps that have some some venom but not anything that I'll kill him nothing that'll kill you something that'll just

make you hurt and make your entire body hurt for days so he just wasps have venom yeah like certain types probably no no

bees have venom too is that why like really yeah that's why your body has like a reaction to it yeah if a

if a wasp stings a spider the spider will die because there's enough venom in the stinger to like inject into tiny little spider body have you ever heard

of the gimpy gimpy no it is a plant in Australia and if coyote Peterson was real he'd do this it's called the suicide plant and a bunch of soldiers in world war two or station Australia uh and it happens a lot they see this plant and it's a big leaf perfect for something like wiping your ass and people will wipe their ass with this thing and kill themselves because it's so painful i've heard of some of those plants in

australia new zealand where it's like touch them they're like a cousin of the bull metal, which is a plant that we had in Texas. Actually, on the field that I played rugby on for a while in Austin, so part of our job was because we bought this giant piece of land, and then we had to clear it off. We had to level it. We had to put sod down the entire thing and build our own field. And as we were doing that, we came across, there was like bull nettle on the field that we would play on.

So sometimes in practice, somebody would get tackled onto it. And their entire leg would just get this massive rash on it that would itch and burn like hell. Like poisonous plants are actually They're fascinating to me Yeah I mean the way they Plants are Their defense systems are wild

There's a guy on YouTube named the backyard scientist Who touched the gimpy-gimpy No way I don't believe it And in Google When it pops up it has like key moments in the video And it just says how much does it hurt And then the next key moment is how do I make this stop And then the next one is cold water makes this worse

And then lessons learned So he survived. Here's a dumb question with a Venus fly trap. Do they shit? Do you think it just goes back into the soil? No, I think they're one of those, like, I don't think cellular respiration has that type of. But what happens if they eat a fly? Hold on, I'll tell you.

I think they might open up and just let it fall out. Oh, so they kill it and then something else eat to suck all of it out. Okay. So when the Venus flytrap closes shut on a tasty bug meal, for example, it releases chemicals that liquefai all the soft parts. The plant eats the delicious juice, but opens back up to let the crunchy bits fall out. Those solids are waste and could be considered plant poop. Yeah. That's metal.

So they basically put poison juice so all of the muscle and meat they eat and then they basically spit out the bones. Yeah. Have we tried to build a giant Venus flytrap? like engineer well that was little house of horrors oh little shop of horrors yeah little shop of horrors

yeah we should do that we should make that plant well we try to make the giant frog which would have been way cooler but no one wanted to give me the money to do it I think we make the giant fly trap

I bet you could buy giant fly traps how big is giant I want to find the biggest fly trap and then make it bigger fly trap plant let's see I wonder if you could smoke a fly trap oh Jesus

now we're talking now we're talking Billy I got some more do you guys remember when all those cattle were dying yeah I just say yes and agree with things like there was just like fields and fields of cattle who were dying and they were bloating no but like this was a whole

there was reports in Kansas that said that there's like tons of cattle dying because it was way too hot now from what I researched the cattle were dying not they say it was heat and the official explanation is that the cattle were dying because it was not cold enough at night so they could handle the 94 degree temperatures during the day

but since it stayed like 70 or 80 at night they didn't have that time to cool down so that repeated over and over time basically killed all of them it was really crazy you're seeing all these cattle just bloated but yeah that was wild where do we stand on monkey pox billy oh dude that was next on my list we'll remember the Pennsylvania truck crash with the monkeys yeah I wrote so there was a truck crash in Pennsylvania months ago I actually wrote a whole blog on this but they

didn't post it coley because it's too controversial where basically China blamed their monkey pox outbreak from months ago on the American monkey bus crash in Pennsylvania and there's state there's state like state press releases from China that records all this well if that's fair if the chinese corona on them so if the chinese government's reporting it then right but we have no choice but to stay i wrote a whole blog about this and basically

i legit think that i don't know that like to as a publicity stunt they may have like something happened but i sent the preview of the blog to you guys you can read it

but if you look into it um in the monkeypox was spread. So this one person who reports on CCP stuff sees a good follow said the accident of monkey escape may be directed by CCP for the excuse to blame America for deadly virus release. Furthermore, there would be a relationship between hemorrhagic fever and Xi'an and the accident. The whole action may be planned by the general staff of the CCP. Now, I found that from this tweet that reports on the

CCP and I started following them during COVID and they had they've been pretty legit stuff and the person's based he's one of these internet warriors internet freedom fighters who is able to access Twitter from China and that's all

in there Billy at the risk of stating the obvious this entire thing is in Chinese you can click the translate button it is all in China Chinese. Well, yeah, I don't have it. It was just also. So I'm looking at this, this account right now. The tweet that Billy sent us has 64 retweets, 142 likes. I mean, it's not not bad numbers, but it's not like by any means of viral tweet. Where did you come across this? So I have a professor from college who I follow on Twitter that he's in contact with a lot of, he's like he's an Asian studies major. And I took one of his classes because I was told it would be gut,

but it was actually super interesting. And, like, was so I got an access with that. And he's part of this whole part of Twitter that we don't even know about, which is like Chinese reporters who like, like it was huge during COVID because you're getting to hear about, I was knowing about COVID in like November 2019. So like I get tons of CCP news. Okay. So, so what's the implication of monkey pox? I think they had an outbreak. Monkeypox, this whole outbreak we're having is pretty weird

because it's pretty hard to catch. I think there's a lot of rumors that's being spread about it, like how it was being spread in rumors. There was like orgies, which I think is a lot of like irrelevant. It's like anti. It's anti-

anti- gay. Yeah, it's homophobic and basically being like the Western life. Spreads Monkey Pox and they're trying to explain away like some outbreaks that are occurring in China And it's being pushed by that sort of anti-Western sentiment So what steps can we take to not get monkey pox? You know what? I was so wrong about COVID Because when COVID started to happen, I just talked shit about it. I was just talking shit to COVID's face There was no like real rhyme or reason behind why I was feeling this way, but I called it like a fraud virus and I said that like it hasn't won on the road we're just equating it to some

sports terms. We put zero effort into researching it, and it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. But then retrospectively, you look back on it, you're like, wow, I was very, that was dumb of me not to respect it at the start. Do I need to be overly respectful and cautious about monkey pox? Yeah. I mean, there's, there's some, the thing about the monkey pox is, I heard you had monkey pot. That was contagious. Yeah, it's not airborne, right? It's like, you have to basically, it's kind of like staff infection. You got like, really rub up against each other. I heard a rumor, and I'm not going to

deny or confirm it, but the rumor was that Billy got monkey pox, and that's why he was absent from part of my take and from macrodosing for a while. I don't know, did you hear that big tea? I'm hearing it now. Yeah. It was circulating. He was gone for a while. A lot of the accounts that I follow on Twitter that get information like

this before everybody else has it, they were saying that was true. And there were other sources that said it was for something different, but these were the good sources. Yeah, no, these were all the all the correct sources that i was looking at but again i don't know if that's true or not you look pretty healthy right now i mean i was doing some monkey business yeah yeah you were i was yeah i got monkey pox doing some monkey business um but yeah i mean the thing is if you look into this crash it's really weird the truck driver thought he knew he was driving animals but he

thought he was driving cats that's what it said on the manifesto and then when the crash occurred he told everyone manifest the manifest the manifest Manifesto, totally different. The manifest said cats, so he told, so a lady who got out of her car to help was like, oh, I love cats. And then she tried to open one of the cages and was bitten by a monkey. That's how outbreak started.

Yeah. Have you seen that movie? And there's even this, yeah, and there's even this tweet of the monkey. And then she was apparently got sick afterwards, but she might have, and she said it was COVID, but it all gets weird from there. but it seems like

if you if you couldn't compete in a nuclear war or stand up war with America without destroying the whole earth and you had to attack it there's different ways you could do that Aaron can you can your daughter hear us right now no

okay all right I just want to make sure I want to protect her from Billy's brain I got I got airphones okay Billy's brain is rated TVMA I think we got put in a V chip where if you're under if your brain is still developing you should not be exposed to his thoughts i mean i'm just saying i this blog needs to be posted coli needs to let me post this blog because it has all the evidence in front of you in fairness to

coli he hasn't uh been working in a while so it wasn't him that did it uh coley's dealing with the the birth of a second child um yeah what else i got on this list the hadron the hadron collider got going again have we did you think the work like has anything weird happened there's Yeah, pretty much everything that you've talked about in the last 30 minutes. Yeah, there's flooding. There's tons of flooding. Not to mention the cows. And there's like, I don't know, there's tons of, there's a huge heat wave in Europe and

there's tons of waves in Hawaii. I saw the big waves in Hawaii. Yeah, those are scary. Taking out weddings and shit. Those are scary. That's one thing that I'm always afraid of is tidal waves. Tidal waves are terrifying. Yeah.

Tidal waves and like rogue waves that sometimes happen on the lake. Have you heard about those? Oh, yeah. especially on the Great Lakes. What are they called? The Seish... It has to do with a huge

atmospheric wing gust that has to do with atmospheric pressure changing a huge gust of wind picking up wait Rogue Seche waves I don't fuck with the water

but don't fuck with the water I think they're called sache waves but yeah you can be on a on a boat in Lake Superior and a giant wave will just show up out of nowhere and there's nothing you can do

to predict it. Rogue wave yeah it's a surface wave that's what was sinking all those ships in the there's so many shipwrecks in the great lakes um so the background the depth of the holes oh man i'm trying to figure out so that the hadron collider restarted are you thinking that that the earth ended in 2016 we're on a black hole well i mean remember okay so we've had uh professor

brian cranson on not brian kansen no cox brian cox different type of professor um um So he was on, and he was involved with the Collider. And remember when I was asking you about that pagan ritual that took place that they were doing there? He was like, oh, it's all, you know, fun in games. It's British humor. Yeah, I'm back on the what the fuck was that type shit, you know. Okay, got it. We've got some breaking news happening right now.

David Faradie is going over to the Live Tour. And Charles Barkley is considering. joining the Live Tour as an announcer. I was to say how can Charles Berkeley just join the tour? Did he actually join? No, he's been talking about it. He said he'll meet with them. What is the what is the live tour? The new Saudi golf league.

That's hilarious. That's just giving outrageous sums of money to people to go play in it. Tell them I'm open. Facts, I'm all about that bag talk. Listen, if they're offering that kind of money, You take the money. I would gladly go shoot a 120. So I've been thinking a lot about the LiveTool recently.

And I've reached the conclusion that I cannot judge somebody for taking $90, 100 million, life-changing money for you, your family, your kids. No way. I can't ever judge somebody for doing that because although, yeah, the Saudi regime is murderous and they have numerous human rights violations, they're very dangerous, scary people. I'm not going to, like, tell somebody not to take $100 million. Also, oh, oh, change, you owe me a soda. Then you can't talk until you, I say your name.

No, that's not true. I let you do it. Why is everybody not asking? Unfortunately, is right. Yeah. You know, all these people that are. That pinch poke, old me a Coke or some shit like that. Yeah.

You get to pinch him. I don't really want to. Half the soccer teams in the world. Pinch him, Billy. I don't. Don't pinch me. I'll fuck you up. I, just because I knew.

I'm calling camp on any aggression, Big T is saying. I mean, he's threatened to have a teddy, you're a teddy bear. Don't touch me. But everybody deriding all these guys for joining Liftor, half the soccer teams in the world are owned by, you know, the Saudis, UAE, princes, like all the, with, Lord knows how many human rights violated. Why is nobody asking them, like, you took this money to come down? We have moral qualms with how we are.

getting paid because of how the owners of any companies or countries are running, we'd all be broke. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying I agree. It's spin zone. It's also all our money that we're getting back because it's all oil money from Americans buying their oil because you just have to get like moderately good at golf to get it back to get your rebate. Okay, spin zone their crusaders going to the Middle East to get rewards back. That is quite a spin. They're heroes. Yeah.

So they're Robin Hood. Yeah. So, Big T, to answer your question, I think that there is a difference between like a Saudi Prince that owns a soccer team and the Saudi public investment fund that runs live because they're running live not to make a profit, not to do anything business. They're just running it just to launder the reputation. That's the only objective that they have. Well, is that not, I don't know if it's the exact same group, but that's the

same type of people who just bought Newcastle, right? It's like the Saudi something. I don't know enough about the specific owners of Newcastle. I should read up more on that. But I do know that the public investment fund is heavily invest in Chipotle and like a lot of other American businesses. But that's more of an investment where live is just straight up like propaganda and a commercial for Saudi Arabia. Now, they've done a pretty bad job using it as a commercial because every the only thing people talk about is how bad Saudi Arabia is or they're not not the entire nation but they're their ruling family that's all people talk about so I don't know if if the propaganda is really sinking in I don't know how good of a job marketing they're

actually doing and maybe they've got other plans for the future but so far it hasn't really worked to that effect it was the Saudi Arabian public investment fund that bought Newcastle okay so I mean they do hope to eventually like make some money right no not from live. They're not trying to make money often. It's a soft power move. It's like the US exporting Hollywood to foreign countries. Yeah, but it's kind of weird because they're not, there are no big Saudi golfers that, that are on this tour. It's people from America, Australia, Europe. It doesn't seem like it's doing a great job promoting Saudi Arabia. They're purposely trying to find like foreign players to play in it. So, so my big question,

that I've had recently about the live tour is, okay, it's a lot of money, right? They're offering somebody $90 million, $100 million to go play and what? How many tournaments, Avery, is it? It's like eight tournaments. Yeah, it's not a lot. And you fly on that cool jet that they have. What looks like a yacht in the air. Yeah, it's crazy.

It's an insane, insane private plane. What happens, because they're not giving all the money up front. It's not like, okay, Phil Mickelson, here's $140 million in a check. if they send the first check over you get 20% nice chunk of change to be sure for Phil what happens if the second check is a couple days late what happens if they don't pay you on time who are you talking to are you like hey uh Muhammad bin Salman can I can I get the rest of my money that you owe me like are you willing to have the balls to have that conversation it just seems like if you're getting in bed with that type of money it's there might be

some strings attached. If they need a favor from you down the line and you're in their pocket for $100 million, you're probably going to be very unlikely to say no to anything they ask you to do. But like, what could a golfer do? I don't know. See, anything, really. Like, speak nicely about us. Yeah. Something like that. But also if they don't pay you your money on time, do they have legal recourse? What's going to happen with that? It's just, it's a question that I think is worth asking if you're going to be taking a hundred million dollar contract to somebody there's no such thing as a free lunch there's probably going to be something uh in the details of it that you didn't expect to come the craziest thing is when we were in scotland there were all these pictures

and we are at presswick which is like the place where they had the first ever open and there's pictures of like open winters every year and there's pictures with tiger there's pictures with greg norman and it's like these guys have just completely not tiger but gregg norman completely disgraced his name. Yeah. He's just nobody now for the PGA. Yeah. They're like erasing them from history now.

Yeah. Eventually what's going to happen is there will be some sort of merger, I think, that comes in a place because the PGA tour can't lose big name golfers because they're saying that Cam Smith might join the live tour now. And like guys that are in their prime right now leaving the PGA tour, as it stands, they're not allowed to compete. Is it a lifetime ban? That's what they're saying, yeah.

So at some point, if you live. lose enough of your top golfers, they're going, the PGA is going to have to have some sort of reconciliation policy. Yeah, I mean, they've already lost a fifth of the top 100 players. Yeah. Yeah. So there'll be, there'll be some bargaining table event that happens once the PGA tour loses. What do you think they're going to do, though? Allow them to compete in PGA tour events as well. I think that you could, it would be very easy for the PGA tour to say, okay, yeah, we overplayed our hand a little bit. And we're going to allow you. to still compete in PGA tour events and live tour events and pick and choose which ones you

want to do. I actually think that a lot of golfers would do both, right? 100%. Like, I don't think that they want to walk away from every PGA tour event. I think that the money is just too good for him right now. If you give them the option to pick and choose what tour events you want to play, they're like, okay, we'll take 50% of Cam Smith as opposed to 0% of him playing on it. Absolutely.

I mean, all these guys who are playing in the open now, like, it's a coveted tournament. everybody wants to play in it they just want to have the option of playing less less tournaments yeah like how much how much do you think cam smith has made in his whole career because i saw the rumor was 90 million to join live uh so he won what was it like two million two and a half million for the for the open yeah i think so and that was his first major he's been in the top five of a couple other majors maybe my guess is 25 my guess is like somewhere 10 to 20 million probably less than that and so you're getting four times that at least.

Tough to say no to. Yeah. I think it would be pretty so the Usik Joshua fight is happening over there around the same time as the Livtor. I think it would be a good

double coverage for something to happen if you need a foreign correspondent to go check out the Livtor. We've discussed this in part of my take and Billy would immediately fall in love with the Saudi regime. They would butter you up so well.

You'd be like, these guys are metal. I mean, if they start showing me all their tigers and bears and I mean, I'm a sucker for that. I did talk about this on today's part of my take, but I want Billy's feedback because I know you're really into falconry. Oh,

we should talk to large about falconry. He used to own a falcon. No fucking way. Yeah. How did we miss that? We'll catch up with him on that because he's going to come back on. But there was a falconry event over the weekend. I forget where it was,

but it was in front of a large crowd. And the guy brought out his falcon and was doing the whole demonstration. was flying around and the falcon started to fly away and the guy was like waving his hand he was on the mic he's like okay now the falcon's going to go out he's going to hit his waypoint he's going to come back to where i direct him and the falcon just pieced out the falcon was just like fuck this i'm done return to this guy i'm back to being a falcon again in the wild that happened at uh one of it was it was the independence bowl in shreveport louisiana and air force was playing i think it was

Georgia Tech and they have they have a falcon that they like send out and the falcon just left yeah and like the game was going on they were out looking for the falcons falcons like peace I'm out yeah they can just decide to do that you don't control the skies you can't air force should have shot down the falcon they should they should scrambled a couple left 16s put up I don't if you can get a radar lock with an am ram on a falcon I think you can I think you can identify that I think the the radar signal will be big enough falcons are what like what's their wingspan five I mean It depends on the species. Usually they always come back, just not when you want them to.

Yeah, Falcon has a radar signature. You could lock that thing up, maybe from like, I don't know, 10 miles in. Even, wait, wait, you can radar lock an organic. Yeah. If it has a radar signature, yeah, you can lock up a bird. But it's an organic material. You can see birds on your radar? Yeah, so the radar system, it's not like looking for electronics.

It's looking for some, if it's an IR radar, then it's looking for heat signature, which probably wouldn't be big enough on a bird I don't think it would pick up the sun it would pick up an after burner on a jet but I don't think it would pick up a bird but if it's a radar lock you could get a radar lock on a falcon that would be so cool if they sent up a fighter jet

and it shot a missile at a bird this blew it up Aaron you were gone for a second but I had a question that I asked these guys about to live tour and about the money that might be coming from it can you imagine if if you're Phil Mickelson

and you get that first check from the Saudi regime and then the second check is a little bit late like do you do you hit them up and you're like hey I notice this hasn't hit my account yet like that's the thing that I'd be worried about is like you first of all the money's not like fully fully guaranteed it's not an established tour and then secondly if they pay you $150 million

they're probably going to want some sort of favor at some point from you right holy wait yeah it's probably it's probably i mean i guess it's contractually obligated but would it be the saudi courts that that you should have to be exactly yeah i don't i don't know how you would go about what if they declare bankruptcy because they are bankrupt because they're not trying to make money i'll have it you just negotiate i would negotiate as much as you can in the front end yeah before i go over there's give me a guarantee that i that this going to hit the bank and if it don't hit then don't go but if it is

I think what I say that they will pay you 20 up front of that I know we're bouncing around topics but Hunter Biden this is so why does he take

so many videos of himself doing that stuff so I figured it out a lot of those videos are the people he's with in order to get larger payouts like hush money and disappearance money

we'll try to influence him to take those videos for hypothetically if there's some sort of like hush agreement those videos get them more money so like let's say oh no there isn't that much crack on the scale like oh should take a video and send it to me like and they try to argue like they'll try to get him in positions to pay out more money taking advantage him while he's intoxicated and that's why there's so many videos of him like doing in some of those other videos are probably just him like

just weird videos that you'd find on anybody's phone but I mean not all the like but he's influenced to take those videos because it gets he's being taken advantage of and can get more hush money that's what I've read up of like because why the hell is he taking so

you think he's he's dipping into he's paying himself hush money no no other so for example if you are one of the girls he's with in those videos and you're trying to get him to take videos of him doing illicit activity and then if you have those videos you're then like I haven't released this video

unless you pay me money got it's like for them it's a sport to get them paid he's being honey potted yeah yeah so that's why there's all the videos okay I need you to do more research on the Hunter Biden situation because I think that like half the stuff that's coming out about them it's coming from 4chan now

4chan said that they hacked those devices so some of it is going to be fake we know that with 4chan like they like they love to fuck with people uh some of it's definitely real for sure like the way and crack thing i think that's real i think a lot of the stuff that he puts out like he's got he's got enough bad stuff where it probably doesn't need to be goose with like fake stuff but i guarantee you 4chan it's just like fucking with everybody and they're putting out fake stuff too yeah i mean which stuff do you think's fake i haven't i haven't done a deep dive but it's kind of set i mean when you look at it the guy's definitely a big time out

who needs a lot of help and he's being taken advantage of but that's but like with saying that like he he shouldn't have anyway whatever videos of him weighing crack yes yes agreed yeah um shouldn't have that especially if you weigh crack don't don't film it this that should be a general if if you weigh crack and do crack i don't think you should have as much access as people do but i mean i don't like he would definitely be kicked off major boards if he was a regular person, but he's not.

But anyway. All right. So we're going to get to Large and we're going to talk about Bernie Madoff. Large is a very interesting guy. He's dealing with some kidney stone issues as well that I've dealt with in the past, but his are significantly worse than mine, so we're going to talk to Large about that.

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Like I had Fisher Price, my first kidney stone. And you, my friend, you had a laser shot up your dick. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, the laser in my cock, I tell you what, I'm 50, right? So you guys have a lot to experience for you get to me. I know you're all young men and ladies in here, but I've had gout. I've had multiple injuries. I've had all this stuff. I'm telling you, this kidney stone thing that hit me last week, PFT. I wouldn't, I wouldn't wish it on Bernie Madoff. It is, it was the worst. And so when I got to the hospital, I said, do whatever you need. to do to get this out and apparently all roads to my kidney stone uh went directly through the hole in the tip of my penis and it was a fucking it was a chore the midas sure the me yeah went through the medus which is such a brutal word for it just means any opening right yes we have multiple metas medices it's not me to sigh by the way we have multiple metas your canal is one your nostrils are both metas but the one that they want and some people i think pronounce it me aida so we'll go

go in the middle with it uh the one they wanted was that tip of of my penis And I'd never thought that whenever I looked at the opening in the hole on the head of my cock, I never thought of it as something that would be described as roomy. Like maybe adorable, you know, certainly sufficient, but never anything that was accommodating. That I think of all the medices on our body, I feel like the one on the penis is the only strictly out hole that there is. So most medices have some sort of function, some need to have it become. come an in-hole.

Yeah. The cocktip, that's an outhole. Yes. I had written, it was just strictly an exit up until that time for urine and thick childbearing ropes have come, which people want to put on a t-shirt that absolutely nobody will wear. But, but yeah. So until then, until this weekend, that's what it was.

I've never experimented in docking, which I think is popular with some of the kids nowadays. I've never done anything of any kind. That's not even like an in. in hold that's just like a you're just kissing me to i believe so yeah yeah um so that's it they went they went in hard they went in with should i tell you or no yeah well so arian just hopped on arian welcome welcome back to macro dosing this is large i don't know if you had the chance to meet him when you were in the office you're your mic's off my back can you hear me now yep gotcha yeah i was like nah but the first thing i hear is dick tips and

stuff like man it's the first yeah what up dope nice to meet you you're gonna get the full large experience today so large spent a good portion of his life on and around wall street so he's he's a great person to talk about bernie made off with but on a personal level he's recovering from a kidney stone so we're just kind of we're setting the table with that and what a lot of people don't realize is is how painful a kidney stone is i didn't know what was going on with my own body i was just I had like back pain that started to get more localized in the bottom left part of my back. And then at some point when you start sweating from the pain, you realize, okay, this isn't going to go away. I need to see a doctor about it. And for me, it was like I had to get up in

the middle of the night probably five or six times to pee, couldn't pee. And the pain just got worse and worse and worse. And by the time it becomes an issue because people don't realize that at least for me, the pain with the kidney stone wasn't peeing. it out. It wasn't like going through my dick. The pain was when it was going from my kidney into my bladder because that's the smallest opening like in your body. Right. And so the pathway that stone had to go through, even though I had a comparatively small kidney stone, that pathway was where it really got stuck for a little bit and got jammed up. And that was pain like the nurse in the hospital did tell me that she had one and that it was worse than giving birth, which I love to just remind

women about every single time I discuss it. And they get so angry when I say it. It's probably nowhere near as painful. I will admit that. But at least one woman has told me that. So that's what I keep going with. I'm like, yes, I'm very tough. I've had multiple. I've had more and I said to my doctor. I was like, talk, am I a pussy with all this? He's like, I'm telling you, Mr. McCarthy, my real name, where your blockage is. Because I had just over six millimeters, which isn't that big, but it was blocking the ureter, right? That little tube that comes out of kidney. So my whole kidney was shut down. My whole right kidney was shut down. And he's like, I had a woman who delivered twins naturally. And she had the same exact situation as you did. And she said it didn't

compare. I don't know if this woman had a very large meetus for a vagina where the kids just kind of walked out. You know, I mean, every, every labor is different. But it made me feel a hell of a lot better because, and here's the thing. They went up and they brought all these excavation tools through my cock and then up into my kidney and where they did their work, but they left the stent. So here I am like recovering and whatnot. On Thursday, I got to go back and they got to take it out. And they're not putting me out. Like I was on propofol. I was on the stuff to kill Michael Jackson for the whole operation, obviously. They're not putting me out to go back up and retrieve the shit that they left behind. And I find that to be unacceptable. I said I'm going to self-medicate.

need to let me know if I'm just getting a local. And if it is just a local, I'll do some sort of drug there. You'll have to wait until it hits until you can then do your, because I'm more terrified of being put in the stirrups and having them go out and fish this mesh sleeve out at the base of my kidney at the beginning of my urator, which is happening on Thursday. People said, I'm only halfway home on this. The pain now that it's gone, believe me, I don't know, like the guys, like, I might be out of your whatever insurance thing. I was like, I'll pay cash for this. Don't give a fuck. This is money's not a thing with this.

And, but I'm terrified, terrified to go back on Thursday to get this fucking thing ripped out of my penis. Quick question, Lars, do you know what type of kidney stones they are? Yeah, so I have uric acid, like gout, my gout is uric acid, right? So my gout is because of my lifestyle. Am I drinking? Am I eating a prosciutto and all that stuff? You're a gourmand.

I am. But the kidney stone is calcium, calcium oxalate, I think. is, I was told that it was more of a hereditary thing. Because my whole mom's family has it. My mom had something called a staghorn, which filled in every ventricle inside the kidney. And so they had to go inside, cut her open to take out a bag of sand. This is a lot of shit for you guys to digest. I know.

So it's hereditary of the kidney stone and everything else that's wrong with me is because my diet and lack of exercise. Boom. I don't go a lot when, when y'all first proposes, I was like, that shit boring as fuck. But I started looking into it. I was like, oh, this is interesting as hell. It is. So he had, was it, $17 billion that he was managing somewhere around there? Yeah. That number got, I saw 60s. That number got up to about 68 and a half.

Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in a sick way, I respect the hustle that went into him pulling off this gigantic con. Because like, this wasn't just your standard Ponzi scheme where you're taking investments from people and you're just, you know, paying them out the returns and hoping that nobody ever asks you for stuff. It got very, very, very, he had like full time employees. working on falsifying computers. They were like writing their own fake software to keep this con going. And he would have kept going for it if the market hadn't crashed in like 2007-2008. Yeah. So there's also a lot of dominoes that you can draw from this. Like I know the Wilpons were heavily involved in this, which made them then have to sell

the Mets eventually. And now Steve Cohen is running the team. He's probably going to make a bit on Juan Soto. So it's like the domino theory of like Bernie Madoff spends 30 years or how. however long, defrauding the American people, and then that leads to Juan Soto becoming a free agent or being traded to the Mets. That breaks my heart. It breaks my heart. But let's get into it. Or is there anything else you'd like to discuss related to your urinary track situation? No, no, no, no, no. Do you want, wait, no, no, no, no, no. We do thoughts or prayers.

You can't have both. Yeah. Yeah. I'll go prayers. Prayers. Yeah, I'll go prayer. Yeah, you have enough thoughts. I do have a ton of thoughts. Yeah. So yeah, prayers is good. Tune in the twist last thing on the kidney on the kidney stones this is the fourth uh iteration of someone getting kidney stones in the office i don't know if there's correlation but or causation but i've been looking into it and i'm not sure if it's a common denominator from content creators or something in the

water here so it's the silent plague affecting bloggers yeah currently doing an investigation because i think i'm a prime candidate for getting kidney stones you're doing an investigation you are because of the supplements that you take. Yeah. But so it was me, Big Cat, Large. Who's the... Dugs.

Dugs. That's right. Dugs had one too. Is it contagious? If you dock hard enough, I think you can like suction out. It's like playing sucker blow with the... I didn't know you was out here docking, bro.

No, they're bad. They're bad. So I think mine was more related to sodium intake, even though I think my dad did have a kidney stone, but mine was more related to sodium intake because I, drink a lot of soup and eat a lot of soup and I just you know I don't necessarily take care of everything that I'm putting into my body all the time also I was on billy supplements which I think had something to do with it that was way after I don't know I think it was like right no no it was

after was it because you were doing it really bad during my fight week because when I fought Jose Cantego that's during training that's when you had bad kidney stones okay I just like to blame you for everything you know that goes I was about to say the doxing the the kidney stone we You got to start questioning if Billy's a net positive in your life, man. That's true. I've been thinking about that for years. I've been doing that equation semi-weekly. But yeah, we do have the whole squad here.

So I'm pumped to have everybody back. Avery's back from Scotland. Came back. No kilt. We're in standard American dress. I'm kind of disappointed to see that. Yeah, I'm back. You are back officially.

So let's get in to Bernie Madoff. Large, do you want to give any of your, was it bona fides, bona fides? Talk about, like, your experience in the financial world, set the table? All right, so I entered into the financial world in 1993. So just so people have a perspective of where I'm coming from, I got in there in 93 right after I got out of college. I was all set to go to Brooklyn Law School right out of college, and I deferred admission for one semester.

And Brooklyn Law School is also the school that Bernie Madoff was going to go to also. Little thing there. He went to Hofstra and then went to Alabama. He was going to Brooklyn Law, and he wound up not going. So we had similar paths as far as that goes. I was right down to the American Stock Exchange in 93. And I eventually wound up on a New York Stock Exchange. And then I went upstairs and I was a position trader for like all these big banks over the course of 25 years.

So when I first started, I was a listed stock guy, stuff that was listed on a stock exchange, IBM, Ford, all that kind of stuff, GE. There was always another stock exchange that didn't have a centralized marketplace. And that was called the NASDAQ, the NASDAQ. The NASDAQ was made out of thousands of market makers, people with turrets all over the place who were making markets in certain stocks. So if you wanted to buy, you know, a thousand shares of Ford, you had to go to Post-5, the New York Stock Exchange, go to the Ford Specialist, ask for a market and buy 1,000 shares. If you wanted to buy 1,000 shares of Intel, you could go into this NASDAQ market maker,

ether, and interact with anybody who made markets. One of them was very well governed, listed stuff that I did. And one of them was the fucking Wild West. And that was the NASDAQ. Shit came down on NASDAQ guys and they put in rules. But before that, that place was the fucking Wild West. And the guy who ran the NASDAQ for a long time was Bernie Madoff before he started his thing. So right from there, he was a guy that knew how to steal in a way that was probably

unethical but was not yet illegal. So that's how I first was introduced to the dude. Okay. So before he started this investment scheme, his job was he was the chairman of NASDAQ. Yeah. And how did you get to that position? I feel like you have to you have to know where a few bodies are buried to even get yourself elevated to there. So when NASDAQ was starting, it started like I said, with a bunch of individual market makers and he became one of the biggest market makers within that structure. And so when they decided to sort of unify and make at one marketplace.

Again, not a centralized marketplace. It existed everywhere of people at turrets. They put Bernie at the head of it. They did a very good job. It made a lot of money for a lot of people. Almost victimless crimes. People come in, I'll buy $10,000. People would buy stock ahead of you,

then flip it out to you like hire. Really, really insulting shit for a listed trader to see. But that was the type of Wild Wild West that the NASDAQ was. Okay. So he decided at some point it's time to go into business for myself. Yeah. So, you know, everybody who trades trades with funds, people who take other people's money and runs them. That's what a fund is.

You take somebody else's money and you run it. Hopefully you make some money for them. So Bernie had the idea to take people's money and to run it. And he had such a great reputation on Wall Street that people were giving him money handover fist. I know a couple of people who had worked for him. And I had spoke to one person last night, actually the guy's wife. And he said, every time I met her, she was amazing. how he would ask about her kids by name.

Like he was a very charming son of a bitch. Just that type of thing where you wouldn't mind investing with him. Just a likable guy. Like even though now he's dead, but even though now he's universally loathed, he was a likable guy and relatively, not relatively, extraordinarily trustworthy.

So people gave him money, gave him money to run. And he decided to do it as a scam. We'll never know what the, what the like the long term of this scam was because he never got out right he didn't get out until he got caught but for the basics of it if you don't mind me saying it right so he would take money from somebody and say that they were going to invest he was going to invest it and then he'd take money from somebody else and say he was going to invest it and what he did was he would

create these fake reports on how your money was doing but he was extremely smart he liked to have your money make about 1% a month, about 12% a year. And you can make up anything right here because he wasn't actually investing the money. So he was just taking all this money, putting it into a bank account, and then sending you fake updates on how your money was doing. And you were seeing that your money was growing steadily over time. So if you put a million dollars in, you're making $10,000 a month. That's good performance. And, you know, for For comparison, a guy like Ponzi, Charles Ponzi, he was like the originator of this shit back in the 20s, like he promised you 50% on your money or 95% on your money depending on how long

you were. Yeah. There was another guy who was, I think he was called like his nickname was 520% Wilson because he promised people 520%. That's a great nickname. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I think he was like a, I forget the what the hell he was.

But anyway, Bernie promised you 12% a year. That's realistic. If somebody said 12% to me, I'd be like that, that's a guy that sounds like it's, It's very high, but it's attainable. Right. It's not impressive. It was Miller. It was 500% Miller, 520% Miller.

520 Miller, yeah, 520 Miller, yeah. But it's not impressive, but it's impressive when he kept doing it over the course of 20 years. Like everybody else's chart, no matter what you're talking about, athletic performance, you know, anything. Charts go up and down. There's like some ebbs and flows. his chart just steadily climbed 1% a month over the course of 20 years. And that was the key to it, right? Everyone was believable.

And that's why I think I could do it. Yeah. I mean, I missed the boat. But I think I could have, I missed the boat. I could have done it very easily here. You could have done at Barstall? I just think there's so much new money in Barstall. If you said 12%, I think people would be like, yeah, that sounds good.

Actually, no, I don't know if you could have, now that I think about it, because I think that there's a lot of new money, you're right? Right. But I think that we're all so dumb. and speaking for myself included that I would see 12% and I'd be like, come on, 12% that's rookie numbers. I would be more likely to fall right now

for the guy that's like 50% a year, easy, guaranteed. But that's the whole thing. Like that's where I get you and that's where Bernie gets you. His promise of 12% of 10 to 12% went for somebody saying, well, I got a million to invest. I'll give you 500 grand and I'll put 500 grand into something a little bit more risky. And when that 500 grand you want to,

of losing 30% on something risky, then whatever you had left, he threw it back into Bernie because he was always there just grinding it out. So how did he get started if you're looking to start a, you know that you're going to start a scheme. I don't think he ever had an actual business plan. Maybe when he first came up with the concept of it, maybe he did think to himself, okay, I will invest it and I'll just become a standard hedge fund manager. But then once he got the money. He just put it directly into his own bank account, like into a savings account and just took everybody's money, put it in there. Did he pay back any of the original investors? Yeah. So you mentioned 2008. 2008, the market had turned over, right? So that was what we had just

recently seen at the beginning of this latest recession. So we had something similar with the market correcting itself in 2008. And that's when people started to head for the hills, start taking out money just to put it elsewhere, just to pay bills, just to do whatever. And that's when the sheet was pulled off of this whole fucking circus. So if that didn't happen, he would have kept going unless he had some sort of threshold. Like I would think that if I started with you, there's so many kids in this company who said, large, if I gave me 10 grand, would you invest it for me? I just don't know what they did.

Because nobody knows what to, nobody knows anything about investing here. right I mean does anyone here know anything about investing a little Billy's going to act okay yeah but I mean honestly I think for the most part the majority of people just do not Billy wait wait tell me what you what you would do you know I would do more stable assets there's a 70 30 30 10 split on like bonds stocks and other things you would just put it all in come rocket you put in no I'm not I'm not believing in crypto rocket in crypto type stuff You're not activated. Your eyes aren't lasers.

Like Bitcoin is one thing, but all the other coins are just stamps. I think, I feel like Bitcoin is the more stable just because it's more widely used. But it's definitely not stable. It was like the first one, wasn't it? You cannot, yeah. Yeah, it was definitely one of the first, if not the first crypto coin. But you can, you can use Bitcoin for transactions at some places, probably not as many anymore. I think Putin created it.

Okay. All right. I like that. I like that. Aaron, when you were, when you were, when you were, uh, when you were in the league and people were getting contracts, you always hear the horror stories about people that decide to trust their money with a friend or somebody that's a friend of a friend that was referred to you. What did you, did you have like a bunch of shady people

approach you for investments? And like, how did you decide what to do with your money? I honestly, I would tell people I was never. I just got lucky because I, I got taught. Like, If you're a financial advisor, this is the advice I give you on cats. If your financial advisor isn't as transparent as possible, one and two, teaching you while you're paying them to watch your money, then there's probably something shady going on. I've met so many financial advisors or wealth managers or whatever the case may be that are just sharks, man.

They just sharks. And they'll pay, they'll take little off the top here. It's up here, and you got 100 clients, all of a sudden you have a great business. I know dudes that have gotten got for hundreds of thousands of dollars. I know it's just, it's just gross, man. So I think the advice I give, like Katz, like I just said, is to make sure that you understand what's going on. Because part of the issue is, I've said there's plenty of times, but part of the issue is the, it's the regular, the regulatory oversight. There just really isn't any when it comes to.

um these the athletes it just athletes and people in general right uh because if you if you don't have anybody like overseeing it then any kind of nefarious characters can get in the mix and and we didn't go to school for money i didn't go to school for money right people go to school to study this to study markets to study the ups the downs the how to invest like all that that's people go to school for that shit and so all of a sudden you're coming out of college or you get a job and all of a sudden you have hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars you don't know what to fuck to do right and so it's it's it's it's it's wise to to try to learn it the best you can and and i i would like i said i was lucky but this dude was just extremely ethical and like he

hires out uh he outsources um uh firm to um what's it called to audit so they get they self audit themselves every year right to give all their clients transparency to let me know everything that doing it's good. And any question you ask, any book, it's all there for you to see. And too many people don't, don't do that. And I think that's the biggest thing. But I see it all the time to answer your question in a long way. Yeah, like Vince Young, I know, got fucked over on that. There are a lot of athletes that get screwed over. And it's usually a friend that does it, who might not do it. Bro, there was one dude that I had, we had went to drink. We had had some drinks with this cat. And he had got super loaded. And he's got so drunk that he started being

honest. And he was like, man, these athletes are just so dumb. He's like, you could just take a little here, take a lady. He just started, I'm like, bro, what the fuck is wrong? I was like, I started, like, cussing him. And I was like, let me get out of here for him. I'm about to beat his ass. Like, I was about to fight him. Because, like, he's just like started admitting he was stealing from people. Like, it was weird, dog. But like, that's how these dudes think they sharks. Yeah. It's funny that you mentioned that story because when I was, reading up on Bernie and by reading I mean listening to numerous podcasts about them which is the same that counts as we we established that that yeah audio audio books is reading I was reading

about Bernie made off and I kept thinking to myself if you're Bernie and you're doing this over the course of decades it's the guilt has to eat away at you somehow it's got to be you have to be thinking about it always in the back of your head that you're fucking up and so if you if you have a couple of drinks like you might admit it to somebody because in a way you might want to get caught because your life is just so stressful having to keep up this charade for so many years sounds like maybe that's what that dude was going through he's got like he had to admit it to you uh even though he was he was drunk he just had to get off his chest to somebody may be the case man but i mean it's fucked up it is it's fucked up because like like so many

people are affected that you don't see right and that's the dude um that that caught on to all of this with Bernie, like Harry Mark Apocalypse or whatever, right? He was the one, he was like the whistle, but he was the one, he wrote books about it and stuff, but so I was reading up on it, I'm really reading up on it, those like words. Um, and he was, and he was, he was saying how he blew the whistle on this like in 99 and nobody at the SEC was listening. Like, yeah, like, and so like it called into the question. He started, he even put into place like things that the SEC needed to change, which for people

I don't know that SEC is the Securities Exchange Commission. And so, like, he was saying, like, people, like, it's rampant. It happens all the time. And the SEC turns a blind eye and the government turns a blind eye to a lot of these cats. And he's like, white-collar crime is probably the most prevalent thing that we need to be paying attention and not trying to lock up all these petty crimes or all these criminals. He's like, that's not what you need to worry about. It's robbing people of pensions, health insurance benefits, funds, losing jobs, like all this.

He's like, this is the most important thing. Big T. investment strategy. How many, how many mayonnaise jars? I, uh, I just have my 401k. I have no idea how that works. I have no idea what goes into it. I just put money in it. And then I see that, uh, thanks to Joe, it goes down every time. Brandon, thanks to Brandon. Yeah. Yeah. Legit investment advice for someone young who like really, really, really is not a financial advisor. But seriously, looking to a Roth IRA because, uh, the taxes you pay, it's untaxed and your taxes are probably lower now. And when you take that money out one day from a Roth IRA, if you're like,

not you're not going to be making you hopefully you'll be making more and be in different tax bracket by the time you take it out so you want to pay the lower taxes now you can put up to 6k in a year if you're under a certain earning threshold and i it's honestly been a really good uh device for young people and more people should know about it billy are you a financial advisor no but i'm telling people about a roth ira isn't like i know telling people to invest in the vanguard for split between the vanguard foreign sector and domestic sector 3K each, that would be an investment strategy. Right, I'm just covering our basis

by asking you again, are you a financial advisor? No. Okay. That should cover it, right? Large, that's what you need to say? Yeah, I'll reiterate too, but I think, you know, from Ariens point like I spoke with that guy David Meltzer once a couple of times, a billionaire guy. He bought a ski slope and a golf course

in the same week. And he deals with a lot of athletes and a lot of celebrities and they deal with athletes and celebrities and people in general who are just very hardworking and successful is that they don't like to ask for help. So, Aaron's a little bit extraordinary in that way that on top of hiring a guy, he wants to learn exactly what's going on. But for the most part, people like, okay, you do that. You do that for me. Like, Shaq's one of the, like, outliers who kind of gets in the weeds with all that stuff.

And that's why he's one of more successful businessman, ex-athletes in the history of the world, perhaps. But in general. He also does every single commercial. 100%. But in general, I think professional athletes are low-hanging fruit for people who know just a little bit about it. Like, again, if I went around and I said to Big T, well, if you have 10 grand burning a hole, I'll take it from you. And I could easily give him something at the end of every month showing him what I did with it when I didn't do anything. Yeah.

And sooner or later, Dave would give me a million dollars. And sooner or later, Penn would give me a little bit. And then sooner or later, Dave would see that he's making $10,000 a month. and so that number will probably get to 50 and then I would then head to New Zealand and live where the hobbits do like I would get the fuck out it's it's so much easier to do

regulatory or not than people would expect it's just that this guy had done it and it got so exponentially huge that there probably was no place in the world that he could have hit right you know because people do this all the time and then just get the fuck out of Dodge

let's get 10 from a let's get a milk and let's get out of here at 25 million sweetheart packed the bags yeah this guy is now 64 billion dollars where the fuck do you go so so when he first got started was he hitting up his friends no all his friends were a high net worth individuals high net worth individuals are people that he's dealt with and then that went from being his friends and this is where it becomes tragic because maybe you don't feel bad about fucking over a guy who made a lot of money playing in the NFL and you should because he's a human but the the the the pension plans and the individuals who could no longer retire that you see them, you know, go into all

a sudden that old age home that doesn't have the two-ply toilet paper because of what had happened with all their money being burned. It's not Kevin Bacon or the IOC International Olympic Committee. Yeah. Or Stephen Spielberg. Yeah. That doesn't break your heart. The IOC probably deserved it. Yeah. That's like if you defraud a fraud, I think you're like Batman in that case. You're a silent protector. But it got so big. In order to start paying off the returns, the pool just has to keep growing and you take the money wherever, whoever the biggest fish are that you can find because it just kind of extends. You hit the reset button. You're like, okay, I can get away with this for another year.

And then I don't even think he had an exit plan. I think he was just like, I'm just going to keep getting bigger until I eventually get caught. He also had legitimate businesses. Like, he had legitimate trading desks and stuff that operated under a different P&L. And all they had to do was break even. Yeah. And that put up enough of a. guys that no one for some reason no one could see through until as aryan said harry macopolis you know

this one greek dude who was a competitor of bernie the only reason he looked into made off stuff is because bernie was doing it better than him so he was like fuck this guy he must be inside a trade that was the thing he must be insider trading somebody must be giving him something before it happens like pelosi's husband is doing now buying nevidia before you know some of this funding may go to the chip makers. He must be fucking inside of trading. And so that's what they went after him for whenever they would investigate him. And they could never find any insider trading because there was no trading at all.

He wasn't fucking trading. You know, it's, it's mind-blowing. Yeah, so let's back up real quick and talk about the history of the Ponzi scheme because Billy did some research. I'm very excited to hear this about Ponzi, about Ponzi himself, right? Well, Ponzi was an Italian. Say no more. Got it.

Yeah. Okay. not a pervert not a pervert in Italian so Ponzi that's an inside job it's yeah

it's a long story that's not really that long of a story when when Cuomo got in trouble for being too hansy and groping people the watermark

that came on the screen when he was given his big defensive press conference was I'm not perverted I'm just Italian because he was saying he likes to grab and touch I remember that

And so you've got to make a distinction. Are you perverted or Italian? Sometimes it can be both. So Ponzi, the scale of Ponzi's scheme was much smaller than Madoffs. It was $20 million in 1920, approximately $199,000. So even pale. Why didn't you say approximately $200 million? Why did you say approximately $199?

That hard $199,000. Give her take $1 million. It's coming up. I put the $20 million into like a inflation calculator and I got $199 and I didn't take that extra step. It's like $270 million in today's dollars. It is? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Well, yeah, the new inflation. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. But, um, so he was in Italy. Hold on. Hold on. So he was even wrong about it. 100%.

Well, I think it was 2021. They haven't calculated. Right, right. Lots happened. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Fembers have to come out yet.

We're weighed on the Orange U.S. He was huge. No, so he basically went to school with a bunch of rich individuals in Italy. He was not very rich to begin with. He didn't come from a rich family, but he was trotting around Rome with his University of Rome friends who were very highly esteemed Italian individuals. He ended up partying in them with them too much and had to drop out of school. Went over to the U.S. because he saw a bunch of Italian men coming back from the U.S. rich.

he was poor went there he first landed in boston and started in the postal service and figured out some sort of scheme to buy postal futures to sell to people in order to get returns and get you know do what made off was doing but that didn't exactly work he just ended up taking people's money and running a Ponzi scheme you know not paying people back any principal solely just using other people's principles to pay old investors with new investors money. He then did this scheme from Boston to New York to Canada, Montreal, another place he landed. In all these places he worked in the banking system a little before he decided to create this scheme. He had a vast network like Madoff, but the thing with his scheme is in order for him to have been getting the returns he was

getting he would have been having to buy titanic ship boatloads of these postal documents that were supposed to give like a bond return and the amount in circulation of those postal documents and bonds was way less than he would have had to have bought to make those returns and it was several like the physical paper would have had to been several titanic boatloads full so in the end he got caught. He got imprisoned, sent to prison for three years because of a federal investigation, and then he was sent back to prison after he got out from the federal terms because of Massachusetts state accusations, which he tried to try in double jeopardy. He lost, ended up getting deported to Italy, where he then went to Brazil to start a new life. He ended up working for

Italian airline, and he died in 1941 after his airline was shut down when Italy went from the access to the allies. Crazy. So he gets the name for the Ponzi scheme, but it was that guy of 520% Miller who actually did it. It sounds like a great beer, by the way. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like I'm going to have one.

I'm going to be fucked up. But Ponzi, if you're choosing something that would be named after you, I feel like a scheme is actually kind of cool to have a scheme named after you. it's better than an airport the billy scheme yeah no nobody would ever fall for the billy scheme have

maybe you have no no no you got kidney stones man we've all fallen for the billy scheme they have no but what I found so

interesting about Madoff was his scheme to recruit new investors so his areas of you know socializing he had he used his sons, from what I understand, he had both sons who both ran two different charitable organizations. And these charitable organizations attracted wealthy individuals who wanted to

not only do good and, you know, be charitable, but also probably, you know, get some tax returns off of large donations. These type of individuals who are giving donations to his, one of his sons did have a lymphoma and he started this charity to sort of, you know, keep him big. busy as someone who didn't really have to work because his parents were so quote unquote wealthy. So he was just there and they used these networks of people donating these charities to then collect more people because these people who were willing to give money to charities had tons more money they would give to make more money. So that was the network of expansion.

And plus he was parts of various charitable Jewish groups where he found tons of And that's sort of why everyone thinks Madoff was so evil because he didn't just rip off, you know, random people, other rich people. He went after people. He knew people in as quote unquote someone, people of the tribe, which caused huge, uh, ripples in that community. So he, uh, so he gets his start. He recruits his wealthy donor base and he's like, okay, I'm going to give you solid an honest

day's return and not promising the world. And he gets away with it. for a long time. And the links that he went to make it seem like it was an actual successful operation are fascinating to me. Because you can't, it wasn't just like printing off fake reports that he would mail off to people. A lot of financial advisors have done that where they, where they embezzle money from their clients. And then they just print something up. They like do a Photoshop or they create something on their computer so it looks like an actual document. And then they mail those out to their clients. That happens pretty first.

frequently. And what you're supposed to do, and Erin kind of touched on this, is you're supposed to have all of your funds audited and then show those to your clients to demonstrate, okay, the money is where I say that it is. And as we kind of, we need to do an episode on Enron on this show. Mad Dogg's a big fan of Enron, by the way. She doesn't know. I just really like their logo. I don't know. I had to learn on this show what it even was, but I really liked their logo. It was an energy stock primarily, and I traded utilities for 10 years, so it like set price. So I traded Enron. When you think about when I traded Enron, I traded Tyco when Kuzlowski was in like Mekinos drinking vodka out of an icy David's dick for his wife's, you know, birthday party and buying $15,000 umbrella stands.

There was a really interesting time when I was trading these fucking pigs and people were losing, you know, because that stock went from $90 to $36. sense while I was watching it fell off my board like I couldn't even trade anymore went to the pink sheet guys these Italian guys with the zipper heads and the shark shoes but yeah so it was one I was it was it was some time to be alive when all this shit was happening yeah they they had Arthur Anderson auditing Enron but I think Enron was such a big client of Arthur Anderson that it was worth Arthur Anderson's time and and headache to like just completely help them cheat right Arthur Anderson has existed since probably 1910 or something like that. And everyone when I was getting out of college knew about the big five.

You went to work for one of the big five accounting firms, Arthur Anderson, KPMG, Pricewaterhouse, whatever they were. Ernst & Young. And now there's four because of Enron. Enron took down Arthur Anderson on top of taking down its own company, on top of taking down thousands of you know, employees and millions of investors and tens of billions of dollars. I mean, smartest man in the room, I think is nobody does a better job than that fucking documentary. But it was stunning to watch the skilling and lay go through that and get on TV and say that everything was okay, knowing now we know and me watching earning calls and seeing

these jerkoffs get up there and blatantly lie like that. We'll have you on. We'll have you on. We'll do a full episode on Enron at some point in the future because I think that that merits like its own its own deep dive on it also if you happen to have any shirts from theirs from like 1999 that you were willing to give up i would love the enron shirt yeah mad dog absolutely loves she's an inron stand old inron merch yeah so so usually you have a company like an or another accounting firm that that audits your shit and make sure that it's all legit and usually that's a pretty good safeguard in in madoff's case what he ended up doing it wasn't just printing up Photoshop's, he had several employees of his. So he had a setup where the 18th floor,

that was the legit operation, right? In the lipstick building, I think. And then the 17th floor, that's where his trusted people that were in on the scam worked. And some of the stuff they would do, they created a software system where somebody could ask at any given time, like, show me my returns from last year and show me the exact trade. that went into getting me the return that you gave me. And he would be able to plug in the amount of money that he paid them, their names and the window that they were looking at. And he had a software system that would go back and look at the prices of stocks

and futures and all that stuff and figure out a way to like reverse engineer how they got to that exact return. Script. It would, yeah, it was a script. So, so detailed. It's probably more work than just doing it regularly. Right. I think it might be

Except there was billions Like if he was doing this Just to get 10 grand out of big tea He's an asshole Yeah But this is billions man Actually I kind of want to do that I would want it to yeah

Yeah he developed What probably could have been A pretty successful trading platform Just all in the service Of making it look like he was good at trading So do you know I didn't So there were people who worked for his company Who had no idea

They were working like on real shit and they didn't know that there was a whole scheme going 100% so what percentage of the people were that and what percentage did he trust to work on the scam do you know that i mean i don't think that it's known because a lot of people weren't prosecuted but i would say it's a very small percentage of people were in the boiler room yeah on 17 i think it was a handful yeah so i would say like three to six people so like the overwhelming majority of people who worked at that company were doing like real stuff and had no idea what was going to on yeah they think that the family knew and the two sons who sort of worked there the wife they so

unfortunately there was a lot of suicides and suicide attempts after this i think one of the sons committed suicide and ruth made off the wife uh said that her and made off when it was all going down had a pact to commit suicide on december 24th 2009 yeah they both they they attempted suicide together before he went to prison. It was a weak attempt. They took like an Ambien and a clonopin, I think. And then probably Christmas Eve. Yeah, probably just got a great night's sleep.

I'm taking that on Thursday when they try to go out. It's right. It's a weak attempt. It was just to sway the jury that they felt sorry. Yeah, it was a fraudulent attempt. I think his sister and his brother-in-law also had a murder-suicide pact. There's a bunch of, there's a bunch of suicided and around. The one son legitimately died of cancer, you know, the other.

The one son died of cancer, the guy that you'd mentioned before. The other son killed himself. Oh, yeah. You know, Ruth, when they, when the attempt didn't work out, she just died her hair red and stopped answering to the name Ruth. So, you know, perhaps there was something. But for Big T's thing, you can't have that many people know. So it was a, you know, a real cabal, a real close-knit. Yeah, I just didn't know that there was a whole company that was doing stuff legit.

Yeah, the story that I heard. I just thought it would have been a small operation. The story that I heard was there were two developers that were tasked with writing a script that was blatantly trying to fool the SEC with something, and they showed it to Bernie, and they're like, why are you asking us to do this? And then Bernie essentially offered them gigantic raises, and it's like, you guys need to be my people on the inside, do you want this assignment? And they said, add another zero to it, and then we'll talk. And so they were just bought off. And so, yeah, they were all about, you know, pulling whatever advanced technological steps they could to fool the SEC.

So that guy, Markopoulos, is that the guy's name? So, yeah, I had read through my ears that he was, he was a quant at like a rival firm. And a quant, that's just a nerd? Yeah, if you saw him, he's a swirly type guy. And just very good at math. And he was tasked with creating a portfolio, or not a portfolio, but a system that could rival Bernie Madoff's returns. And when he dove into it, he saw mathematically, it's impossible to give the returns consistently

that he's been getting because it was like a straight line. He's like, there's no trades in the world that could happen legitimately to make this as successful as it has been. So I think he said, like, there's a few different outcomes that we could uncover here. One is he's getting tipped off, like he said, like it's insider trading. two it's a massive massive fraud the likes of which that we haven't seen like it's it's the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time are three he's just that incredibly good and everybody alive should give all their money to him because it's it's unreal how good this guy is it it echoes what he

said with Ponzi if Ponzi was to have sold that many postal scripts that he thought he did they didn't exist that many post that many postage stamps didn't exist that many postage stamps didn't exist at the time that Ponzi would have had to have sold. And the same thing, once they did a deep dive on just his trading practices, that many shares of stock didn't trade on the stock exchange the day that he said that he had sold and bought and so. He was doing stuff that was, and the reason being is because Markopoulos went after the numbers and that's how he found it, but he also had a trader's mind. Before that, it was all SEC investigators. And I've been under SEC investigation, which I think is one of reasons why you have me here. So I've been under

investigation by FINRA and by the SEC. And so if you go on a broker check, you can look up my name and you'll see a red dot for the time where I was being investigated. I have a couple of NDAs I signed so I can't get into too much. But I'll tell you, I sat down and I was grilled by SEC lawyers for five hours by myself without representation, five lawyers on one side of table and me on the other, and fucking morons. Legal geniuses trading zeros.

And I think that's the whole thing. when a guy like a slick-looking guy like Madoff had got in front of SEC guys, big-time lawyers, he was able to legitimately sweet talk his way at a billions of dollars worth of fraud. Yeah, he would say, he would explain to them very intricate movements that he was making with the money, and they had no idea what any of these things were. Because, like you said, their lawyers or they're like maybe a former prosecutor or something like that, but they don't know how stocks are traded. They don't know how money is moved around on Wall Street.

I was found innocent on everything. Okay, good to know. Who'd you throw into the bus? Nobody had. No, no, no, skit cuts there. You didn't rat anybody out? No, no, I'm no snitch. What were you under investigation for if you don't mind?

Absolutely, yeah. So there's a couple of things that you can be under investigation for when you're a block trader. The thing that I was, I don't even know if I can talk about it. Does anyone listen to us? No. Okay, it was a thing called overadvertising. So sometimes when you were on the floor, when you're on a desk trading a stock,

and I was told I need to trade. anything on my pad. I was a utility trader at the time. So Duke Energy, D-U-K, I need to trade this thing. How do I start to trade it? Well, I can advertise that I traded a million shares of that thing and everyone would be like, holy shit. Large at Citigroup just traded a million shares?

Let's see what he's doing. They'd make a call. They'd be like, what do you do? I'd be like, oh, I've been trading a million shares back and forth. What do you need to do? I need to buy $100,000. Oh, you're done right here. I'll sell them to you and let's trade around it.

I lied. And I got a foot in the door, and that's the way that I was able to start doing commissionable business. at the end of the day, if Duke Power traded 5 million shares a day, it would look at the advertisements and there was 15 million shares advertised because everybody was fucking doing it, including me. So when the shit hit the fan and all of a sudden that became something that was no longer, you know, allowable or something that you can look over, I got a pretty big investigation.

Like to the point where, you know, the fines that were being thrown around were the type of stuff that could have ended me. But at the time, it wasn't illegal. you know it was it was um no it was illegal but it wasn't enforced that's probably fair to say it wasn't enforced wasn't overly immoral i don't know where the victim on that crime goes i hate to say victimless crime because somebody got fucked the other company that should have been doing my business instead of me when i lied got fucked so it's not a victimless crime um but that's it so they had to go and do hours upon hours of looking over tapes of where i traded this and

and all this kind of stuff. And, you know, working on the stock exchange, I've had multiple specialist friends who've been under SEC investigation for front running. A thousand shares comes in to buy. You grab 1,000 before it at a quarter and you sell it to them with three-eighths, like just front-running and stuff like that.

And this is happening within seconds, blinks of an eye. So, like, they're going in trying to read this. It's like reading the fucking matrix. So it's easy to talk your way around SEC investigators because they don't know what the hell is going on. Yeah. They're not traders, they're lawyers. Right.

Yeah. So this is fascinated to me because how much, so little stuff like that, right? You say where it's illegal, but it's not enforced, another, the front running thing, right, where it's like you have to know the market intricately on almost a day-to-day your trading basis to even catch it, right? How much stuff like that would you say is going on that maybe not illegal, maybe not, you know, directly fucking people over? But you know it's even more. How much would you say that is going on on the day-to-day basis on Wall Street? I can tell you right now that between 1993, when I started doing it, when I was on the

floor of the American Stock Exchange, I should have wore a fucking mask, Aaron. I was an absolute thief. Like there were no, that was the Wild Wild West. And how it is today, you know, at 2022, it's exponentially better. But still people have found ways to skirt that issue. and there are probably 20% of the profits that are made are made kind of on that fringe. Whereas before that, closer to 2000, 93 into 2000,

I would say that probably, well, that's when people were making big money too. I would say if you weren't cheating, you weren't trying and probably over 50% of people were doing something that, again, danced along that fringe. So it's gotten better, but it still exists, nowhere near how it exists when I first started. So when he's under investigation initially after Markopoulos delivers his report or notifies the right people, they're asking him all these questions.

I read one story where he, he has like the people on the floor beneath him on the 17th floor while he's in this meeting. He asks them, okay, give me a specific trade or a specific client that you want to see documentation from. And I'll go get their papers from, you know, years ago. and so they give him some examples he sends it down to the 17th floor they print up like a 50 page stack papers

they then hand wrinkle the papers to make them look like they're old like they weren't just printed up and then what do what do papers feel like when they come out of the printer? Hot they're hot right so they put the papers in a refrigerator for about like three to five minutes

cool them down and then bring the stack upstairs hand them to the SEC investigators and they look through, they're like, okay, this all seems legit. It's breaking bad. It's Ozark. It's all. It's all that. Remember, like in middle school or lower school where you had to elementary school,

you had to like take tea and dip the paper in the tea to make it look like really, really old? Yeah. To make it look like it was written on parchment. Like it's from the 1700s. Like dabbing it with tea bags. I did that one time and I dabbed this paper that I wrote with the tea bags. And then I said, okay, I want to make it look like super old and like,

almost tribal. So then I lit the corners of it on fire like Jerry trying to light a hundred dollar bill. And I just ended up burning half the paper and it got rid of like most of my words and I turned it in. My teacher was like, this sucks. Where did you get fire? Um, from the gods Prometheus. What do you mean where I, I, my parents gave me a matchbook. Oh, this was like at home. Yeah, this is at home. Not, not in school. God. Where did you get fire? Well, I was envisioning him in a classroom lighting a match I didn't think y'all had those we should try to pull off a scam yeah what scam would you want to pull off

like no we should have the victimless scam let him let him keep going billy should be in charge of this no like like a victimless scam where we like make I don't know that there is such thing like why don't we just tricked the whole office into like like Tommy did a scam by inviting us all that party that didn't really exist and sucked so there were victims yeah

I don't know something fun just to like exercise our minds just a fun scam just to get out of your system yeah yeah

yeah you're a murderer bro what are you talking about just to exercise like you want to scam people to exercise your mind bro go

touch grass I haven't done I haven't done a lot in a month and I'm trying and now I'm like think go outside

go outside and meet people I was I think I think we are pulling a scam. I think I think our jobs are kind of a scam. It's kind of nuts, yeah. I don't know Billy, I like where your head's at. I want you

to think of a scam that we could pull off. Yeah, just something, they're like, not anything crazy. So, for example, back in, I forget the years that this happened, but it was in the Netherlands, they had the orchid, was it the orchid, or the tulip crates? Tulip's. Yeah. People just thought the tulips were worth

a shitload of money. And so they became, it was almost like the crypto of back in the day. The bulbs. Yeah, so it became almost like an investment to own tulips and like rare tulips, which is we could do something like that with frogs, Billy. We could. If you just figure out a way to make frogs really valuable, you would be the richest man in all the land. Could be. What did you think of our top five frog list?

It was mid. Tree frog number one, you agree with that? It was mid. Give me your top five frogs. Goliath frog. Is this from 1 to 5 or 5 to 1? 1 to 5. Goliath frog, African bullfrog,

American bullfrog. Then I'm going to go with Ornit Pac-Man frog, and then I'm going to go with number 5 Budgets Frog. Budgets frog. Yeah, you better look that one up. That one's a wild frog.

I'm looking up the Pac-Man frog first. Ornate, oh, yeah, that's a good frog. The ornate... Well, look up African Bullfrog. The Argentine Horn Frog is another name for the ornate Pac-Man frog. that's a good looking frog and what was the last one he said

Budgets frog they scream it's hilarious oh yeah I've seen these ones this is the frog that's from the shirt I think so isn't it so they're screaming frogs

and then African bullfrog that's the number one honestly that's actually wait no you didn't say African bullfrog was number one Goliath frogs like is really number two African bullfrog's number one

okay Goliath frog I'm looking that up in comparison to the African bullfrogs. Yeah, you fucked up, Billy. I mean... The African bullfrogs should be number one. The Goliath frogs just large and just way bigger. You respect mass.

Exactly. All right, so Madoff is running from the SEC or at least charming him. He's like... I think he's 100% paying them off. I think that was an element. He had numerous donations to you know politicians as well as definitely had people on payroll in the SEC yeah at what point

when he's running the scheme does it become just a real problem given its size what what is a large Ponzi scheme um yeah so I think 50 million was be the bogey for me to get out so I put that it's just you asked me to guess so I'd say 50 million is is where I get out of my Ponzi scheme my eventual Ponzi scheme that's my number so up no 50 million million, 50 million for me. I could go and be very happy somewhere, 50 million in a loin cloth. And that got blown through, you know, I don't know what his timeline was, but probably almost immediately. And then, you know, it just got out of hand. And there were so many important people that had money with them that were happy with the returns. They probably weren't in a

hurry to raise the red flag, like people in government, people in the different agencies that are in charge of investigating. They probably had some money with him too. He was a darling. Every, every, um, charity that had money had returns. So like every charity that invested with them was getting more money to their charity. So he was known to be, you know, the guy who helped out charities. He was known as, as Billy said, like, you know, a guy who helped out Jews. Like he specifically stayed within, you know, his tribe, as they called it. So absolute, I mean, absolute stud until he wasn't.

That was, uh, that's the thing about, um, people in kinds of schemes and just in general like they there are like extremely lovable and likable characters like they they are charismatic they could talk well and that that's what draws people in to be able to trust them in the first places so like exactly what you said from what I read like dude was liked like well liked by everybody the term I was thinking of when I was described that earlier was called an affinity scam so people of the same ethnic racial group if you that he was like scanning his own which made it like morally even worse i don't think you can charge someone with an affinity scam on top so when when he's out there and he's trying to convince people to give them

money one very smart thing that he did was he he went out of his way to not look desperate for anything so he'd be talking to somebody about an investment and then he'd say okay let me see how much money you have and then he'd tell them i'm you know 10 million dollars minimum I'm not going to touch anything less than that. I'm sure that number grew as he got bigger and bigger. But he wouldn't just take any amount of money. He wouldn't take what might seem like a large amount of money to you or me. Like I'll give you a million dollars to invest.

He'd be like, I can't do it for a million, not worth my time. And so he creates that demand where you're like, now, wait, this guy's exclusive. It's like a club where you see a line outside. You're like, oh, I want to get in there. And that's what he had going for him, even though it would have been very easy for him to just take whatever. But he was very calculated with how he would go about recruiting new people. and the way that he would present himself to make it look like he was super successful

and then he bought a lot of shit he lived high off the hog for a long time so he had he had properties everywhere all around the world he I think he commuted on a on a plane to work I'm pretty sure I read that he he flew into the office every day well he lived on he lived on like 70th

on the east side I'm sure he had yeah he had lipstick building I think is on 61st he had a place I'm sure he had some other some other spots where he would spend his time but I read somewhere that he he would like land a plane on the Hudson or not the Hudson the East River and get off there just to go to work which is just a baller move if that's your money guy though if you see your money guy spending like that is that a red flag necessarily absolutely not I mean people were like I'm honored that he took my money honestly like I love when people say money doesn't buy happiness because all they

remember is the headline and a guy who won the uh the lotto and then his wife shot him in the face they don't know about the millions upon millions of people who take fucking planes to work and are insanely happy when he buys happiness 100% of 99% of the time you know it's the it's the biggest piece of bullshit ever i'm i'm still trying to figure out because he said that he wants to run a scam i had i'd read about this scam in 36 1936 at the tail end of the great depression when people were obviously depressed and desperate when there was a guy who had died and his name was Jacob Baker in Philadelphia and his estate was unprobated and open to anyone who's last name was Baker and he had this huge estate and people could just apply to see if it was them

and 33,000 people paid $10,000 a piece to stake their claim. It was $3 million in 1936 and Jacob Baker never existed. Like I think you could do that today. I think we're already doing that today. In the 1970s, there was a woman. Her name was Geraldine Elizabeth Carmichael. Great name because of the story, Carmichael. She created 20th century motor car corporation. People don't remember, but the 70s was the same as today with the gas prices. We had a gas crisis in the 70s where people were lining up with fucking Tupperware trying to fill up, you know, stuff to buy gas. And so she said that she had a new 20th century motor car corporation unveiled something called the Dale that said got 70 miles to the gallon.

It's futuristic looking and she got $3 million in invest, $30 million in investment and $3 million in advanced sales and there was no car. It never fucking existed. And we're sort of seeing this now with like the rivians and all this kind of shit, these electric cars that are coming up with. So I think there's still some wood to chop if we put our heads to it to get people to say, hey, by the way, there's some foster money lying around. I think it's yours.

Just give me 10 grand and I'll beat the bushes. Maybe he gives me 10 grand. That's the start. Cash app scams. Yeah. My son got, my son just said he was interviewing at a place that sells knives. Cut co. Yeah.

Yeah, one of those things. And it's like one of those things that you never have to rebuy, nobody ever tries to return. They wanted him to go through his roller deck sell to all his grandparents and stuff like that, get a third of it. And then move on. And that's like, you know, it's fully legal, but that's kind of a scam too. And so it's around. I just, I had a fine. I'm Team Billy and wanting to do a scam.

Okay. What's the modern version of the Nigerian print scan? Because I feel like that's about run its course. Well, actually, there is a scan that's been pretty bad in the news where they're getting, the only reason this didn't happen to me, everyone's going to be like, oh, there's totally happened to you. But a lot of young males have been getting DMs who they think are random girls on the internet who are like in.

they're like, oh, they start kind of sexting. And then they say, oh, I'll send you pictures if you send me pictures. And then these dudes are just sending dickpicks. And then they're like, we're going to send this to your whole family if you don't give us all this money. Unfortunately, yeah, but a high school kid ended up like doing himself in over it, which is really sad. Damn. That's like girls get, I mean, I like sugar daddy, like fake sugar daddies all the time. Yeah, Jackie on.

Yeah. Yeah. KFC got fake sugar daddy. Yeah, because they basically are like, no, you don't need, the new thing now is like they'll slide into your Instagram DM to be like, no sexual relations, just like have a conversation with me and I'll give you like a weekly allowance. That sounds great. Right, but then they ask for like your routing and account number information and that's where you have to stop, which is what I learned. Do you learn that the hard way? No, my, someone I knew in college, not fell into it.

She actively was like, okay, fuck it, I'll do it. And then she was talking to this dude. And then he was like, okay, what's your, like, what's your routing number? And she was like, I don't think that's what you're supposed to do. Yeah. No, there's other ways that you can pay. Exactly. And not have your bank account routing numbers.

So that's what you do, though, is that's the scam. Yeah, there's an email that I've received. I've got a few times, actually, from somebody being like, you should always cover up your webcam. We see what you do on your computer. And it's essentially somebody saying, like, I've seen you jack off. And then you have to pay me money to get me to. not send this to your entire contact list and it's completely fake like the person i don't jack off so i know that i'm not caught on this they pick the wrong guy to mess with and uh and so you don't

respond to it but a lot of people do a lot of dudes panic when they see that they're like oh my god i got i got that same email i got too i say i said go ahead bro send it i don't give a shit yeah good luck so bill so billy i actually you know another scam and i don't know how this is profitable at all but i i took a a a quick stroll through the instagram comments the other day, which I rarely do. But I just wanted to see what they were saying. And probably 70% of the comments were all from girls being like, are there any Americans here? Yeah, the bots being like any Americans here and then eggplant, eggplant, splash emoji, peach

emoji. Yeah. And but that's like all the comments now. Yeah. How are these profitable? Like somebody's paying to create these bots. Are they actually making money? I don't know.

Or it'll be like, first five people to DM me with code, like, Puff Bar, like, get $5,000 sent to their Instagram DMs, no questions asked. I don't know who's falling for them. I think it's probably like bought on bot crime. Yeah. It's got to be, this has to be. Or old people, I guess. This has to be the hardest time to be a horny woman, to be an actual horny woman online. Because let's say you want to comment on a macro dosing Instagram post and you want to be like, who here is from Brazil?

J-A-J-A-J-A Egg-Plan emoji Embarrassed face emoji What if you're a horny woman in Brazil And you really want to say that Nobody's going to believe you Yeah think about all the mail order brides Who can't actually get mailed in who want to

So it's not a victimless crime They're like I'm trying to meet a man in America They're there to save the in-cells And also get a green card and they're just stranded That's tough man The bots are drowning out the really horny Brazilian women yeah don't forget about western europe yeah it's a it's a bad

time it's a bad time to be horny you know anytime one of my dudes get their page hack I just figured they they dumb or they just horny that's exactly how like it's exactly how it's like you clicking links you shouldn't be clicking dog like you're not going to get rich on an Instagram ad it's not going to happen though there's one

right now where people like you'll your Instagram will get hacked and then whoever hacked it will say like we'll pretend that it's you talking like on your Instagram story and be like I just had like $20,000 like, you know, deposited into my bank account like from crypto. But it's like, I think if you really get hacked, they make you record it or they'll blackmail you somehow. Because I've seen actual people that I follow have this happen to them.

And I'm like, this is sketch, but you're the one that's recording it. And then like, you know, five days later or whatever, like sorry guys, I was hacked and they were going to, you know, hack into my bank account if I didn't say all this. Mm-hmm. You guys remember that I-chat thing where you could get people to click a link and it would change your I-chat status? No. Do you remember that, Mad Dog? Like on like I message? Yeah, like not on I message on I-chat back when you hooked your aim up to your I-chat.

I was never on AIM to be real with you. Aim, how old are you? I was on AIM when you had to hook it up to your I-chat. I don't know what I-chat is either. You don't know what I-chat is? You don't know what I-chat is? I don't know what they're- Dude, you'd come home from school and just be.

like i-chatting everybody while doing your homework am i crazy aim is like 90s no but you'd get an aim and put into your i-chat it was like the precursor to i-mess i've never heard of i-chat yeah you guys never heard of i chat no i wasn't on aim buddy so avery i chat aim was like my generation what was you doing on aim i was i had an aim and it was through i chat i don't even know what i chat is am i having like a mandela effect moment you might be it appears to be real i've just never heard of this. Discontinued instant messaging software application developed my Apple for its Mac OSX. Oh, Billy, I've seen the logo, but I've never used it. It was on everyone's Macs back a day. Yeah, seen the logo. I never used it, though. I'm going to read off some of the

comments on my most recent Instagram post. And let's see, do you think any of these could possibly be true? This is from Zora Putnam 65. Purple Heart emoji, all work and no play. Uh, from Gianna Medlinger 65, oh, another 65, oops, I lost my mobile number. Could I have yours? Hot dog emoji, red pepper emoji. That's a good pickup line. That's a good pickup line. It's not bad. Uh, from Margo Wegnar 70. I got a new look. Can you appreciate it? Smoochy, smoochy, smoochy, wet, wet, embarrassed face. Uh, Fallon Ridgerifov Bach. Hi, I'm bored and lonely. Parentheses, flower, flower, in parentheses. and then Lola Bred, 72.

I will fulfill all your secret desires. Heart face cat emoji, lipstick, heart emoji, winky face, demon time, smoochie, smoochie. That one sounds real. I think the bored and lonely woman is actually bored and lonely. She's just trying to waste time with all the emojis. They're probably all dudes.

You know what it probably is? I think I figured out what the scam is. They're probably all dudes. But each one, every time they comment on some of their accounting on people to click on their profile. What a detective. Then they probably have only fans. I don't even think. Actually, there could be some only fans, some advertising there.

But that's kind of why Elon might be not buying Twitter because there's so many bots. That's bullshit. That's not why. Bro, you know what I found about Elon the other day? Well, I ain't got nothing to do with him. His father. His dad is dad impregnated his stepdaughter. yeah twice

and not just stepdaughter I mean that's bad that it's stepdaughter but it's a stepdaughter that he raised from the age of four yeah from four years old bro like an actual child that he raised as we talked about that is a whole dwee

as we talked about on the Elon Musk episode Elon didn't grow up with some father who inherited an emerald mind he was like pretty abusive and a pretty terrible guy and didn't pay for his school yeah so large I got a question for you

When it comes to the Elon Twitter deal, is there any possibility that Elon, when he was making this arrangement, he sold a bunch of Tesla stock to finance purchasing Twitter, is there any chance that he did that knowing that Tesla stock was about to go down? And this was a convenient way for him to offload some of that stock without it seeming like he's getting rid of. because he knows that the business is not doing well. Yeah, so every company that has any type of manager needs to give an excuse to sell stock, like you say, the only problem is that there's a billion-dollar breakup fee for what he did with Twitter. They start legal proceedings tomorrow, I believe. They have to go to that, like, Delaware courthouse. It's adorable little courthouse, and it's going to get absolutely overrun by press.

I think it starts tomorrow. So normally I would say, yeah, you find reasons to, to either liquidate without people wondering, geez, does he really need cash or liquidate because you think the shit hit the fan on your stock, which you don't want people to ever know. But this is a very expensive way to do it because it could cost them a billion dollars.

Yeah. So there's better ways to get out of your stock. Okay. Yeah. But I mean, we see it. We're on Twitter a lot. There's so many people with tons of followers who have zero interaction. Right. Like celebrities, like all sorts of stuff. Yeah. I think we all knew that there's a bunch of bots on Twitter.

I think Elon knew that. Elon's online all the time. I think he's acting surprised by it as an excuse to not buy the company. Yeah. I mean, he's a smart guy. He knew that he knew that his replies were just swarming with bots, even before he tried to do this transaction. I never thought that he intended to purchase Twitter.

I thought he was doing it like a little bit for the clout. And like, I mean, Lard just said it's a very expensive situation he got himself into. I don't think he ever had the intention to buy Twitter. I think he, I think Elon just, he kind of like flutters from things to things when he gets bored and he's got a lot of big ideas. I think he takes a lot of Adderall and I think he just gets like on this new kick that he's on and then he just decides, okay, I'm going to do this now for a while and then he just gets bored with stuff and he moves on.

Imagine that being a kick. Yeah. I think I'm going to buy Twitter. And then all of a sudden, holy shit, I said I was going to buy Twitter. And then people start giving you numbers and then you put a, a handle on it at a $44 $44 a share or whatever and then all of a sudden the shit sits you're like what the fuck did I just do yeah do you know what I mean it's like me buying another you know carved wooden bear like what the fuck am I going to do with this thing wait how many

carved wooden bears do you own too now yeah I got the Indian I'm going to do another Indian like it's it's one of those things where everyone has a little bit of you know buyers regret and there hasn't been a purchase yet and to your point I don't think there will be a purchase but still it's it blows my mind and then it's where the stock is now like 30 bucks you know this thing had come off to like 32 tremendous buying opportunity for people who like Twitter in a market that's going like this it's it how manipulative that was to the market outside of him raising cash by being able to sell Tesla for a reason has like deep-seated consequences deep-seated investigating consequences for what he did and it's because you know

so many people pay attention to him but as he said the SEC lawyers are not very intelligent when it comes in. So he could probably explain it. It sounds like... They're better now. They're better now? Yeah, yeah. And this is, you know, this is a little bit more cut and dry.

Like, when you're talking, and I don't want to go back to Enron, but when the people in Enron, when Enron went from 90 to 36 cents or whatever, the people who are in charge at Enron sold the bulk of their stock in the 80s. Do you know what I mean? Where everybody else got out at 12, 6. Yeah. You know, and that's what you're talking about. The shit's about to defend, let's get the fuck out.

And that's just downright criminal. That's not what Elon Musk is doing. I don't think he thinks Tesla's going to zero. But it's, uh, nonetheless, I think it's kind of, if there was some sort of nefarious reason for it, I think people would be able to uncover it. Yeah. I got, I got a question for you too, bro. Because you kind of saw behind the fiscal curtain, uh, of America, are you a pessimist? or an optimist when it comes to, like, our economy as far as it pertains to, like, Wall Street.

Yeah, so I'm a 100% pessimist. I just started this thing called the Family Office, me and the guy who does this financial newsletter, it's called The Water Coolest, Guy, Tyler Moore, we bought him. So we have a financial newsletter here at Barstle. It's called The Water Coolest. Tyler's a good guy. So we put $5,001 between the two of us, and we're investing it. We want to try and get 44% return to beat what Buffett did in 2019.

And we've been doing it for four. weeks and so far a return is around 2% with just fucking shit in the bed. I have, like, I don't mind doing that to him. But like in the meantime, like Annie hit me the other day, he's like, I just put 20 grand worth of Levi's. I think Levi's and Strauss, you know, the original thing, like she enjoys doing that stuff. I don't because I know what the nature of this fucking dartboard is. And I've seen stocks that look like they should be higher, particularly after we got those

meme stocks, you know, thrown into our face where Radio Shack was worth. more than a legitimate business where the only place you go, there's no, nobody's buying even batteries in Radio Shack anymore. So things have gotten so out of hand, Aaron, and especially with your NFTs and your cryptocurrencies, that I've, I'm very, very skeptical on just about everything nowadays. On top of knowing how I used to fuck you, like, you know, so on top of knowing how I'm, I'm probably getting fucked. And I trust my financial advisor as much as you do yours. I have a wonderful financial advisor, and I've never bought or sold a share of stock without him. So I'm very lucky in that respect, as he had said also. But I have a skepticism

about the market that's probably greater than most people. I feel like somebody is always trying to figure out what the next ethically dubious but technically legal way to make money is. And then it's a big cycle of the regulators catching up to that saying, okay, can't do this, this, and this with the new technology that's out there. And then the next wave of people come in. And then now they've got their new scam, which is still technically legal, but ethically dubious. Then they get shut down, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

And I think that's how it goes in every industry, right? Like every industry has tried to. Industry in general, business in general is how you can fuck somebody else out of their money and make it yours. Yeah. You know, whether or not they're, you know, like whether or not like I'm buying. I think large is a commie. this too, Aaron. I think you and him. I'm selling, I'll sell you a car today that I know is going

to give him, like, I'm a Jaguar dealer. I will sell him a car that I know is going to give him problems. He'll look good and they'll have fun, but I'll know it's going to give him problems. That's what I'd be telling you. The nature of capitalism is to maximize profits. And it doesn't matter who it hurts and it doesn't matter. You can have ethical capitalism, but it just doesn't exists in this market. This market says, we got to go when it don't matter, and we're going, we're going to scratch and claw, fight our way to the top. And it's just, that's when you see behind, because, like, I grew up on food stamps and a project. So, like, I've seen both sides of America in that, in that regards. Once you see behind this curtain, it's like, this is just

a charade. It's just a game. And when you have money, it's, it's relatively easy to continue to make money. And you see how, when you don't have any money, how astronomically impossible it is to get It's just, and that's why I'm with you, brother. I'm a pessimist to the, I can just, it's too big. The pile of shit is too big. Name me one industry. That's not fucking you. Like I just told you, they're going to sell you a car that they know is worth 15% less

the minute you drive it off. McDonald's is one of the biggest fucking companies in the world. We all know that it's poison. It's $22 billion in revenue. We know that it's fucking pink slime and that's fucking killing you. I mean, everything is. I got one. Man, I'm getting pessimistic.

I got one. Catholic Church. Sports books. Sports books. Yes. Very ethical. Fantastic. I got no problems with one in particular.

But I think about you, like if all of a sudden you start selling drugs or something like that and you get money and then, you know, your wife or loved one says, where did you get all that money? And then you have big T saying, hey, listen, find me every bet that worked for the past six months. And he pumps into you. Oh, yeah, because I had the Mets on June 16th. Like that's exactly what Bernie is doing. I could see that happening. You know? like we're right like you know

it's fucking crazy yeah that's the best way to explain it's exactly what Bernie was doing like you find me what that foreign exchange trade oh the Vietnamese bot was over the euro I don't even know if the bot exists anymore blah oh yeah we traded a shitload of bot that week you know like oh no I had the fucking nuggets that night yeah you know what I'm saying

it's a great way to fucking crazy like oh I have all the picks give me money and I'll bet it for you I've got a very important question for large something I've always wondered in regards to the American economy what's going to on in Delaware. What's up with Delaware? There's something is something is significantly up

with that state and I'm determined to figure out what the fuck it is. Really? Joe bye. So, so in Delaware, you've got a couple nice places. Listen, it's, it's trouble, but Dewey Beach, Rahobith Beach, those are fun places to go for a couple days, you know, with the family, with the boys, have a good time, drink, you know, go to all the outdoor bars, eat fresh seafood. I get that. I get that allure of Delaware. That's like, 65 days a year where there's something to do in Delaware yet somehow they control all the financial laws in this country and it is to every like all the different protections they're engineered to benefit exactly one part of the population and that's Delaware and Delaware

residents so what the fuck is going on with Delaware I'm embarrassed that I don't know more about it I haven't given, like when I just mentioned the Delaware Chancery Court, which is where all this shit's going to go down between Twitter and Elon, I haven't looked into it. I know very little. I've been, I've gone through Delaware. Yeah. And there's not a lot there. Yeah, I've done some NASCAR.

There's not a lot there. Every time you get a piece of mail from any financial services company, they're always based in Delaware. Everybody is a Delaware corporation. Hey, and you know who's getting kickbacks, probably for a long time for keeping it that way? Probably Hunter Biden. There's great crack in Delaware. That's where I'll say that. Is there? Oh, we got to talk about that. Likely, yes. There's likely just a just a

above average search. I think I found a major reason. The advantages of incorporating the tax benefits. Delaware doesn't impose income tax on corporations registered in the state which don't do business in the state. So that's why every company is why isn't every state like that then? Because some states have large. Also, also shareholders who don't reside in Delaware don't need to pay, don't need to pay

taxes on shares in the state. So what what's the advantage? It's a tax haven. What's the advantage for Delaware, though, for having companies based in their state that don't have to pay taxes to them? Is that just marketing, getting their name out there more? Stimulates a local economy? Yeah, 100%. Like, maybe

or I think it's just like, it's a state where there's not a lot of allure so that's like let's let's make it a tax haven for big for big uh corporations and and let's just keep it like that legislatively it just sounds like it sounds like a it sounds like a what's that shit they where they take their money overseas what is that place called off shore camin islands yeah like some shit like this sounds like just here yeah but okay so so i'm following the logic on this and um all these major companies they can have they can be incorporated in the state of delaware so they don't pay any corporate tax to the state

but they just have like empty offices there like these companies don't actually they're not actually based in Delaware right they're in other states where they have their big factories or they have their main offices so they've got like a PO box in Delaware maybe like a small small office what's really the big impact on the Delaware economy I think it's just so that people see the word Delaware well they also there's like a flat fee franchise tax of $100 in a flat fee LLC tax of $250. So if you have like millions of companies based there, that's a decent amount of revenue for a small state. And plus on the personal level, too, there's no Social Security income tax. So Social Security benefits are not taxed there. So that's where you get the white

hairs down there. There's no state or local sales tax. There's no inheritance tax. There's no personal property tax. So if you're a fucking four iron away from the tip of the Jersey Shore, how do you get people to choose to go across that little thing offer them no taxes. Hmm. Okay. I might have to just incorporate myself in Delaware. There's a separate court system.

A separate court system? Yeah, so I think. We need to shut down the whole thing until we can figure out what the hell is going on. Shut down Delaware and investigate. Yeah, we need to investigate Delaware. Has anybody in this room ever been to Delaware? Yes.

Not counting, passing through on a train. I'm not on a train I drove through there on the way to West Virginia Why does that not count? Have you ever? I don't think I have but why would that not count? I'm just trying to see you. Like I've ever been to Delaware

For Delaware. Well, no. Of you spent an evening in Delaware. I've spent a couple evenings in Delaware, but it could have been Maryland and I wouldn't know the difference. It might not. It could have been married.

It looked a lot like Maryland to me. Smelled like Maryland. Delaware is not real, huh? Is Delaware just part of New Jersey that they make us think is Delaware? it could be is it a fishing rights no it's uh yeah

it might be a finland situation where finland doesn't exist it's just a puppet uh not even a puppet state it's just like a figment district that is actually Russian and they use it to control the fishing rights maybe it's a deep state it's just deep

it is a state but it's a deep state the delmarva peninsula is Delaware Maryland Virginia that's what they call it the delmarva peninsula but there's nothing different about Delaware from like rural Maryland or coastal Maryland it could very well be the same place. I just don't understand why something fishy is going on.

We probably have some listeners in Delaware. Actually, draft up the shirt, Delaware isn't real. Mangold Olden's house in Delaware. Does he? And Clem goes down there for a week every year with his family. Those are the only two people I know who go to Delaware, I mean, outside the Biden thing. See, you pick, you pick the one guy, Clem that I don't want to, I don't want to harm him with anything. So let's call off the investigation.

If him and his family get to have a nice wholesome vacation once a year, Fine. Let Delaware do that thing. Cheap tobacco. That's why I stopped there. Because the tax, they have no sales tax. Yeah, I was like, it was before my fight and I was like, I cannot wait to pack a dinger after this fight for the first time in a month. And I'm going to get cheap dingers here. I remember driving with my mom through Delaware at one point. And we made sure to stop at Hardee's in Delaware before we got across state lines because you could save like 10 cents on your order because there's no income tax.

What are your thoughts on Hardee's? Good question. It reminds me a lot of Carls. It's the same company. I think Hardee's is fine. Come on, really. I liked when they went all in on the, you know, everybody was doing the health craze when it came to fast food.

And Hardee's was like, fuck it, we're going to do four patties and we're going to put three kinds of cheese on it. And it's going to have 2,500 calories and you're going to like it. Great advertising at Hardee's. Yeah. Food is. I like it when I was in college. Yeah, when I, it's just not, it ain't it anymore.

I tried it recently, maybe like three months ago, and I was like, I don't remember being this bad. I had the opposite, because I went to the West Coast recently, and I was like, everyone was talking about In-N-N-Out and stuff, and I had In-N-N-Out, and I was kind of like, eh. And then I was driving, and I had to stop quickly, and I had Hardee's, and it, like, over-performed. So now my brain thinks that Hardee's is better than In-N-Out because In-N-Out let me down where Hardee's was better than I thought. Got it. So you're buying stock in Hardee's, and you're selling it in-and-out. Yeah, I knew, by the way, Carl's and Harty's just the same thing. Can I ask Big Tea?

And I think this might be something we agree on. So I'm sending my kid down to Alabama in a couple of weeks. He's going to start college down there. And I went to a place down there called Cookout. Have you ever been to cookout? Been to cookout many, many times. I consider it to be elite. I'm not a huge fast food.

Have you been to cookout? Yeah. So here's the thing about Cookout. I thought I found some. Like you went there in the middle of the day and loved it? Yeah. No, no, I went late at night drunk. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. See, that's the thing. If you go at 1 p.m., it's going to take a drastic step down. If you go at midnight, it's going to be the best shit you've ever had. Also, it's like $3. Yeah. You can get, and the sides are other entrees. Corn dogs.

You can get a burger, a corn dog, and chicken nuggets, and a milkshake for like $3.50. That's incredible. Cookout. I support cookout. Yeah, it's the best. I lived right next one, my senior year of college. It was every three times a week at 11 p.m., my roommates would be like, we're going to cookout. I'm like, I'm not going. And then they'd walk out the door and I'd be like, fuck, give me two seconds.

So where are you at on Hardee's? I'm not a, I'm not a Hardee's fan. Decent breakfast, not, I haven't had Hardee's and I don't even know how long, but solid breakfast after that, it's not very good. Yeah, it's a very exactly average place as far as I'm concerned. Great ads, though. Very, very solid marketing campaign. Are you talking about the Parasilton one?

I was more specifically thinking of the Kate Upton one. Okay. But they've had several in their long line of, uh, advertisements. Yep. Um, large. Another kind of basic finance question. And then I'm sure that you have to piss at some point. So you do you're free to go, uh, whenever after I'm done asking you this question. Oh, I got one more question after that. Okay. Um, my first question is just why, why would a company explain to me like I'm a child? Why would a company choose to go public when they're, let's say they're doing very successful. It's a manufacturing company. They've been successful. They've been a family run company for 20 years. They're doing great. Making a good. profit, everybody's happy. Why would a company ever choose to go public and then subject itself to the whims of all the shareholders? And then that completely changes the way that they govern their business. Yeah, 100% it's capital. So you can go two ways to find capital to get

growth. You need capital to get growth. So when we open up our first cookout, right, and we want to keep opening up cookouts, no one's ever seen them before. We need to borrow money to make it bigger or we can go and find investors, which is essentially what you do when you go public. So the way that you have, the quickest way to raise money without any cost to you is to sell shares, right? Because you're still going to have a majority of ownership for the most part. So you're going to get to take part in this growth that you believe in because it's your core business. And so if you don't want to leverage yourself to where you're paying a bank, then you open it up to investors. and, you know, for the most part, it works, right?

Like, you're saying that the downside of it for you is that you have to answer to strangers who weren't there when you opened up that first restaurant. Like, all that's, right? Like, you don't want to be at the scrutiny of the stockholders. Yeah. But every one of those stockholders then has, you know, invested in you and legitimized your company

and put you on the map, you know, with the big boys. I mean, private companies only work for extremely successful. business plants. And for the most part, most people don't have extremely successful business plans, right? So that's probably the short answer. Yeah, it just seems to me like it'd be a big pain in the ass. I'm just thinking of it from that perspective. Like if you run a company- There's a prestige involved with it. Yeah. You know, on top of it being a pain in the ass, it does legitimize most businesses. And most people know that if you're going to achieve growth as quickly as you want to, you do have to open it up to outside investors or leverage yourself

to the fucking gills by borrowing money to back okay there is there is the element of going from private to public companies someone who's like i worked for a company when it was going from private to public not this one actually but there's a huge switch in maximizing like employee like interests and owner interests then getting switched to maximizing shareholder interest yeah that's something that hugely mixes up companies i think the bottom line is still the bottom line right even if you call it uh profits or if you call it uh earnings per share it's still how much money that you're making so you know you can repackage it like you're saying but i think the bottom line is to to make money yeah errin what's your question then we got to we got to

keep in mind that large has a piece of metal shoved up his kidney um yeah it's staining unreal that you have other shit to do man kind of unforgivable And it's kind of cool, a cool question to wrap this whole thing up, man. If you had a magic wand, given all your knowledge, to fix the holes in the system that you see, what would it be? Maybe one or two things, maybe through whatever you feel like to just fix it, to just clean up the mess. Sure. So I'll speak from a trading standpoint because that's what I used to do. I was a trader.

There should be some depth of market. Aaron, if I was to go in buy or sell a share of stock right now, there is an absolute, I don't know where any bodies lie in Duke Power. We'll use that again. We'll go back to Dukk, that same stock that I was talking about. If I needed to see where there were people, where there was supply and where there's demand, it's almost impossible to recognize because everybody who's a buyer or a seller keeps their cards extremely close to the vest. And that causes. it just it just causes people to not know what to do that causes extreme volatility until somebody decides to be like oh shit yeah I'll sell stock here the amount of secret of secret

positions within the stock market I think ruins it so much so that one of the most successful vehicles that has been introduced to trading in probably the last 30 years is something called a dark pool it's it started when I first started trading and obviously it's all over the place now where it's the glory hole of trading people don't have to give their names they don't have to give shit but you put what you want to do in the stock into this dark pool and if you pay money to belong to that dark pool I can put the other side in and then hopefully we meet up so you'll look at a stock where there's nothing offered and there's nothing bid for but you put something in a dark pool and you'll trade a million

you'll trade a million shares right on the fucking last sale that's not healthy like to not have kind of depth of market or know where the bodies lie in every single issue that's on every single stock exchange, I don't think is healthy. So somehow we can get some sort of transparency, I guess the word that I'm looking for, some transparency in some depth of market. I think people could be a little bit more honest with the way that they trade. Okay. Yeah. If that makes sense, I don't know if it makes sense, but yeah. Oh, it does. It does. I appreciate it. All right, very cool, large. Thank you for joining us. Such boys. Thanks. Twisted history. Twisted history, check it out.

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Hi, this is Brian from Ellicott City, Maryland. I have a two-part question. The first part is if you could settle any land in the whole world, like in a draft, which area would you pick? And my second question is Joe Flacco, a lead quarterback. Thanks, stay handsome and gorgeous, and I'll hang up and listen. Okay, second question first, he won a Super Bowl. So there you go.

first question settle any land yeah so like you could be the first one to settle settle any land wait arian said no you don't think he's elite no super bowl champion so so he's elite so is Trent Dilfer so you're saying Trent Dilfer's elite that right there

unintentionally unintentionally that was the exact conversation that you will always have with somebody when they get into the Joe Flacko debate Like verbatim, Trent Dilfer always gets brought up As a comparison I'm cooking up another quote card now

Yep, there you go Fuck New Zealand, good choice How about how about making a quote card That makes me look favorable How about that? Don't do as well Yeah, they don't do

Like no one's like Yeah, good point Aaron People won't amplify that message We put out a like and retweet for you last week Yeah, we did Thanks, thanks man I would say the Galapagos Islands yeah i was thinking something like really a very pleasant place yeah you got beaches there you got cool

animals flora fauna bro you got no agriculture there what you talk about no what you got you got cool shit everywhere i know but like are we surviving there are we like when he said settled you just turn it to some safari bray just we he said settled i i feel like that's in a uh you know continue this discussion real quick i have to take a uh fast pass deuce i'll be Very quick. This is just an emergency. Touching cotton. Tell him he's touching cotton.

He's still touching cotton. I am. What does that mean? Like, when people say touch grass. Touching, no, no,

touching cotton. Think about what we'll be touching cotton if you had to shit real bad, Billy. It's toilet paper. What? The shit's touching cotton? Like his button is. I'm going to be honest.

I thought that was some sort of like reference. Ah, the turtle hand poking out is touching cotton. Time to go. I was going to say Bora Bora for a place to settle. Just somewhere real nice like that. Set up a better government.

But just, I mean, that's got to be where you'd go. I don't see. I don't have a problem with that. Boa Bora is definitely in my top to go places. Bora, Bora. St. Martin. Places go to. Montana.

You don't believe that shit. Yeah, dude. Okay, laid on me, Lay it on me, Billy. Why? Well, why do you like Bora Bora or one of those places? Because it's tropical. Tropical, away from people, good agriculture,

like you were pointing out with PFC. But is there actually good planting there? I don't know about Borebara. It was beautiful. I was talking about New Zealand. New Zealand, yes, it's very good. I agree with that. Very good agriculture. Yeah.

So, but why Montana? I think it would be just a perfect place to set up we're settling it right yeah for some reason i just imagine like settlers like we're we are so we're going like those places you have to deal with disease i thought i thought we're doing more substantive stuff like you have to deal with like large uh like huge weather swings not that montana doesn't have that but uh it's pretty wild this plain land at first when he said settle i just don't even like live there but yeah but yeah but we're when you you're talking about creating a new yeah then what you said originally makes sense

yeah like agriculture like you have to start planting shit yeah think about fresh water sources pioneer like because there's a lot of salt water in those tropical places but finding fresh water yeah i'm not sure boreboard is good i don't know i don't know but i haven't done enough research in a borobore but i know new zealand would be perfect oh and dude if you had to shut that place down like you're so safe from like everything yeah i think i would settle water like an east coast island like a martha's vineyard or nantucket type i just like it up there is there like no one the thing about the question is there like no one there no you're settling it so like you're the first person to see it sure you're the first person to settle on it so then oh actually

i changed my answer totally new york oh yeah new york the reason why new york is probably the financial hub of the world is because it has the greatest natural port of all time the city of Manhattan in like the New York Harbor is one of the greatest natural ports ever and that's why it became such a big trading hub it was the mouth to new world to Europe and it's just goaded like that's and we bought enough about the New York trading but you don't get you don't get all of the profits that come with settling New York no but like if you're the first settlers you kind of New York is one of the best spots because you then are able to get stuff you need to settle better people naturally will come there just because it's a safe port and doesn't have too many storms

it is a safe place like that like the history of new york uh is fascinating because like the reason why this city is you know uh quote unquote like the best city in the world uh very much in quotations i know but from a like yes it's a trading practical standpoint yeah it's a huge trading hub and is like one of the largest economies is because it was such a a huge trading spot. Just like naturally like it like if you had to design a freshwater port that

is I mean yeah amazing. I'm just thinking of a place that I'd like to hang out for a while. I do like to hang out here though so okay want to do the next one I want to wait for PFT. Let's see the next one. We can give him the spark on yeah

One of Macrodos and crew this is Matt from Chicago. I have an avatar related question which is not in reference to areas who friends but rather the anime cartoon Avatar the last airbender a very important question but one that I go back and forth

with all the time if you could choose between the different bending abilities that is air bending, water bending air bending and earth bending which would you choose curious to hear everyone's thoughts thanks and stay beautiful

um this is a goad show this is the reason I picked this question I love this show growing up great show Papa, yep. Again, again, the movie, I advise people to watch the movie, but do not get your hopes up. The actors, except for one of them,

is he's a legit actor. The rest of them are all shit. It's just some of the worst actor you'll ever see. But the graphics are fucking fire. And the storyline is pretty close to the original series, so it's pretty dope. I enjoyed it a lot. And so, but to answer my man's question,

I got to go with water. definitely been water because it's 70% of the earth and you could bend it to the point of walking on it so you could fly with it you can do whatever you want with it it'll kill fire it'll drown everything

and humans are 70% water I don't know can you bend somebody and somebody body I'm trying to remember if there was a point in the show where they talked about that because I don't remember if they did or not I just suck the water out of somebody and killed them but you can like you can bend

you can kind of how 11 does and strange your things you can like move a person based on the water in their body. She's like, okay, that's it. I didn't know it was something cool like that. I got to watch Stranger Things. My kids have been like a hounded me to watch Stranger Things. Yeah, everybody's been telling me.

I'm going to get on it. I'm going to get on it. I'm in the middle of watching Love Island, UK. So it's a really good one. I love, I love, I know. Avatar growing up was like the goaded show. I would, I wanted an Appa so badly. It was insane.

I had an op. I think I did Appa stuff in. So I've never watched this. Explain to me what? bending something entails so bending you go here so yeah so bending is just like um they they do like a ritual like movement or whatever and and they can manipulate uh an element i i'll be a water or fire earth would be like dirt and wind it called them the air benders and so they they they like do all these movements and they manipulate the element in whatever way that they want or what they see that they see fit

And so basically which element would you want to control? So if I could bend fire, I can like throw fireballs at people and shit. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, I'm going to go with that. PFT, if you could have. A boy, uh, hey Maddie, he, uh, he's the antagonist in this story, man. Yeah.

How do I remember? Do you remember? Yeah, the antagonist of the story big team chose to bend fire and they tried to take over the world. Did you watch the show Avatar? It's only a Billy pinches of. I most certainly did not. Okay. So the question is, if you could choose between

controlling earth, wind, air, or fire. Which one would you pick? Ooh. God, that shows so good. Now I'm going to go watch it. Oh, shit. Does air include temperature?

Sure, for the fuck of it. Yeah, we're not. Yeah, I think I would want air and just always be 75 degrees. That's good. You would be Avatar. That sounds pretty good to me. The last airbender.

PFT, the last airbender. Hell yeah. And also, if you had, if you had air, you could control the wind. So you could, like, sweep yourself around. could like block your opponent's fuel goals Yeah Yeah that's what I would do

Air I sure I do water Hold on hold on Yeah okay I'm about to say Everything's accounted for Yeah I was I was water Big T was fire your air

Wait who's nobody Nobody wants to do Earth huh Earth's kind of Earth's played out I just like what are we gonna do Just like create piles of dirt Earth fell off No like he could

You move dirt Yeah he would like Yeah you could move the ground And then you can basically, and you make an earthquake from nothing. I know exactly what you're talking. They don't know what you're talking about, but I'm what you don't.

Eric, can you see me doing it basically? Yeah, it's like they do like these little movements. Yeah, and then it like shakes the ground. It looks like you're 11 from stranger things. Actually,

I'd become an earth bender and then make a ton of money just building shit, like doing excavation. Okay. You have no hypotheticals where you're not making money, man. It's just sad. Yeah. I mean, what would you have? Bro, like, he asked you what, what would you settle?

And you chose New York so you can have ports, you can trade and make money. It's just crazy, bro. Well, it's not. It's just like, what are you going to do out there if you're like, enjoy life, man? Enjoy life, bro. God damn. It's very funny that Billy, like, took Earth, but then he wanted a construction career out of it. So he's like, well, you guys are going to be doing that shit and get bored with it.

And you got, like, you got to think about something. No. What do you mean? I'm a bit. water and I'm gonna go all the way down to the bottom. I'm gonna explore that motherfucker moving shit out the way, bro. You can't breathe. You can make a water bubble around you.

You are a water bend. But you can't breathe the water. So if you're in a water bubble. But you can make a bubble around you so that you can breathe your air. And then you can go down. You're a water bender. Wait, but can air, can the air bender also bring air on the water? I could spit that bitch like Moses dog and walk through the whole ocean.

What does you talk? I can take a, I can go to sleep. in the middle ocean with nothing around me That sounds very peaceful You could float I can do whatever you want Stars above me

That's lit actually That's a cool little date You can grab onto a shark Babe you know what we're about to do I'm about to air Water bend The ocean out the way And we're about to have a date

In the Pacific Exactly That'd be second Mantic as fuck Hey how many brownie points I get for that Wait till a tentacle Just reaches into your No but you are a waterbender

But you can't move a tentacle Little I am getting it grabs you Bro, I'm giving myself at least three football fields so I don't want nothing even getting close to me. Do you think I'm going to have it? Like, no, no, no. There ain't gonna be aquarium. Yeah, you can push away.

Yeah. You can use water to poof. And you're for sure not going to be bothered by any human because ain't nobody going to come out. That's lit. That is lit. There's no camera on bad dog, but that dog just six times

she gone, hoof towards it. I don't know how else. I know. I know exactly what she's doing. If you watch the people out there who have watched Avaton, Last Airbender. And he has the arrow on his head.

Yeah. Wow. God, that's so good. It's a fire show. You like it. If you like anime, it's an American anime, so it's not like true anime. But if you like anime, it's a great story. I would construct an underground high speed rail system in the whole of the United States using my earth bending abilities.

Okay. I'm down with that. That would benefit everybody. Yeah, but that's just again, like you're just going so like capitalistic. I'm going L.A. to New York. If you had air, imagine the type of dogfighting maneuvers you could pull off. I'd dig a hole to China. And I'd be thrust vectoring all over the place.

I'd be jumping in my hole to China and then gravity would take me one end and then I'd go the other. But that's Earth, not air. Yeah, I'm doing Earth. Oh, okay. So then you're like, you like hit a sling shots. You jump into your hole, you fall down and you hit terminal velocity and then you hit the other end of, of the hole where gravity flips and then you go from terminal velocity zero and then you start following the other way terminal velocity and then you just rickshay boom boom boom boom boom

boom till you're trapped in the middle sounds it sounds intense yeah all right let's do one more make this a quick one okay okay hey y'all it's uh this is Maxwell from katie texas and you know all y'all are beautiful um you know some of you know some of you and just want to say your hands, you know, y'all are beautiful to stay beautiful now. They're all beautiful ways to talk about each other. So if y'all had to be a cryptid, like big foot or lockless monster, like a cryptid, not an animal, not a cat, but a cryptid. What would y'all be?

All right. I guess that's it. Just keep rocks and I love it. The coming episode was beautiful. All right. good night y'all i like the mothman thank you maxwell that was the most texas person i've ever talked to or ever heard pretty sure that was a fake voice yeah i mean katie texas is like 20 30 minutes or 40 minutes that way i ain't ever heard nobody talk like that but i mean they'd be out there i think the mothman

mothman seems like he has a good time he comes down tries to warn people it's a useful cryptid no one hunts the mothman either like people are always hunting the jackalope Chupacabra. Yeah. They're hunting Bigfoot. No one really cares about the moth man. I would want to be a Yeti. Not Bigfoot.

Bigfoot's a little small. The Yeti just like way bigger Bigfoot. Great coolers. Yeah. Just like chill up on your mountain. Not many people can get there. Yeah, but it sounds lonely. Yeah, but.

I mean, if you're cryptos, you're probably lonely, right? That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Are vampires crypticry? Technically, oh, I think we should do a lincanthropy episode. A what? Lincanthropy.

Oh, better. Well, you'll find out. Okay. Cool. I vote Mothman, though. If vampires are encrypted, I would like to be a vampire. Vampires, I think they get a bad rap in a lot of our lore. They're probably cool.

Would you, would you use, uh, harvest your blood naturally or, uh, get it from a blood donor? Got to eat. So you know, artificial consumption of blood or natural consumption? Yeah, are we talking about drinking some of that baby blood? I mean, I'm not going to eat kids, but I'm definitely somebody's adults out here with bad ideas. I'm down to get in one couple. No, I think. No, I would straight harvest on everybody on Congress.

Yeah. I mean, by the way, I don't think they're drinking it. I think they're getting infusions. Okay. All right. Glad we cleared that up. No, because I saw this article about Vladimir Putin takes baths in baby reindeer blood. Yeah.

Because he's trying to cure whatever disease he has. All right. And then I saw this other study about how if mice get blood infusions from baby mice, they reverse age. Crazy. Okay. Well, thank you for joining macrodosing. We appreciate you guys. We love you guys.

We'll be back on Thursday for nanodosing. And then we'll see you guys again next week. Very excited to have Billy back. Billy, thank you. Your presence was welcomed on the show. I just like nutted all the information that's been in my brain for the past month and just like a tidal wave. That was the first hour of the show. You've been no fat on your brain dumps.

And then it just all came out at once. No facts. Yeah. Yeah. That was no facts. All right. We'll see you guys on Thursday. Love you guys.

We're going to be. You know, I'm sorry. Bye