Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Big Pharma

Episode Date: January 11, 2022

On today's episode of Macrodosing, the crew debates within the world of pharmaceuticals. Hear everything from the original anti-vaxxers to the current status of the industry. Also, Billy and Big T get into a little bit of prisoner's dilemma to see who will take home $200. All of this and more on today's show.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/macrodosing

Hey, macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Welcome back to macrodosing. What was our tagline we just came up with? Less fax, more stuff. Less fakes. Less hose. More bros, fewer hos, actually.

More stuff, less facts, more stuff. Macrodosing. That's what we're calling it. Good to have you guys back. this is an exciting episode for me personally because I've just seen how hard Billy's been working on this episode for the last three weeks. We actually had to put off doing this episode for three weeks because Billy just need to collect more facts. So he's been going on a fact-finding mission. I'm very excited to see what he comes up with. But we got everyone here today minus

Coley. The McMahon, I guess he's in Indianapolis right now getting ready for the national title game. We saw a picture of him wearing a fox on his head. I guess he's spontaneously grew long hair and got his nose pierced, but that's Coley for you. Real wildcard that one. But yeah, we got everybody except for Coley today. Very excited. How's everybody doing? Let's get a vibe check in the room.

Arian, how are you doing? I'm feeling great, man. Got a new iPad. I'm excited about every three or four years ago, or three or four years or so, I just splurge on Apple products, and I did that this Christmas. So I'm excited about it's going to do pretty much the same shit But it's just newer and feels cooler So I'm excited What about that new Apple Watch those Apple Watch commercials

Oh yeah if you don't buy it you'll die in a fire Jesus fuck I feel like it being threatened Yeah if you don't buy our product You're gonna get stranded in the ocean You're gonna choke on your own bodily fluids Not the worst advertising strategy I feel threatened

We should do that for macrodosing Like if you don't listen How many times per episode Do you think that we could save somebody's life With the fact that we give up. Like six? Yeah. I think this show is long enough.

We could just, at some point, somewhere would get something from it? Christmas trees, dried Christmas trees, burn like a motherfucker, fast, quickly, get them out of your house. That's one. Yep. Throw them into your neighbor's yard. I was, you know, using some Christmas tree branches as kindling for a fire I was making this weekend. It is gasoline. Yeah.

Straight up. So, yeah. If you wouldn't know. Are you making a fire? It was winter. You know, sober jam, where you do stupid shit. Wait, you live like in an apartment. Yeah, you live in Hoboken.

I was out of the city. Am I not allowed to leave the city and, you know, go back to the barn sometimes? All right. Your people got a barn? Yep. Gotcha. So you're just making, you're just the farm boy making the fire. A fox killed all the chickens, all the hens recently.

So we have a lonely rooster. You had a literal fox on the henhouse? Yep. I have a picture of it. fucked up. Why didn't your rooster protect the hens? Because my rooster's a pussy. Yeah, he is. He was before we used to just give him the excuse

that he was young, because I raised him from a chick. Oh, so you raised him incorrectly. Yeah, I raised a pussy-ass rooster. That's what the problem is, yeah. You're a bad male role model. Yeah, also. All these liberal roosters out here running. My roosters absolutely.

Aaron, where are the fathers? That's what we need to be asking. Where are the rooster fathers? fun yeah let's see so not in the barn thoughts and prayers to to your hens billy so you don't have any more eggs yeah sad are you gonna are you gonna get more chickens i don't know i think we're wait for the spring the thing is with the basically what happened is once i took my dog uh away and like moved in to like the city area uh the fox basically like when there's not the piss and shit around the area all the predators start to move in because they're like oh damn that dog's gone

Yeah, you need to do a better job raising those chickens, Billy. They need to have an aggressive, assertive male role model in their life. They can model their behavior after. I also saw that our mutual friend, Aaron Ripkowski, the old fullback from the Packers, he had a chicken incident too. Yeah, his chicken passed. His favorite chicken got attacked and killed, unfortunately. Yeah.

I mean, his chicken passed. Like, he had a heart attack. His chick was violently murdered. Honestly, that basically when you have, like, when you're doing like, you know, as a they say like hobby farming of chickens for fresh eggs you're just going to deal with something's going to kill your hands unless you lock it down like fort knox like it's it's just inevitable you don't really say it's not how you describe it right if somebody dies violently you don't really say they passed right they're murdered yeah past is more for like uh natural causes right died in your

sleep yeah yeah he passed like if you're murdered it's not like he passed past past is almost It all that makes it sound like, I'm going to pass. I don't want to die. I want to pass. Right. Yeah. Oh, my uncle passed away. Oh, that's too bad.

How did it happen? D-Day. Passed away. You're right. It's more like neutral, like close your eyes, embrace, embrace the warm sleep of death. Yeah. That's morbid. It is morbid, yeah.

Apple products. Apple products. They will save your life. iPads. I think they're obsolete. you have a MacBook you literally I know but iPad's like

I have a phone which is pretty big nowadays and I have a computer where's the room for the iPad can't you do like music stuff on it well no it's it's basically the liaison right so I don't use like so

here's a good example I don't use like this this laptop I'm on right now I travel with it's a gaming laptop so it's like a PC it's not it's not a Mac like a lot of you can't really game

on a on a on a PC on a Mac right but I still want that screen if I'm traveling um to download movies if I want to save uh space on my gaming laptop so I travel with the laptop with the with the with the with the iPad to kind of store all my videos and pictures and shit like that's actually facts I think yeah I think the iPad's great you don't it doesn't like overheat like a laptop when it's on your lap and it's a big screen you can bring it anywhere and like it I think it'd be great for it's like mobile watching things good Yeah, it doesn't nuke your balls. Yep.

Like a laptop. Is that real? Yeah, but it's just the heat. Okay. There's no radiation that comes from the screen. By the way, Arian, Billy is currently in the process of just like annihilating my prostate. That sounded bad the way that I said. Let me rephrase that.

Elaborate on that. Yeah, no, I'd like to rephrase that. And I don't mean to leave the rest of you out. I was just telling Arian because maybe some people around the office have heard me talking to Billy. this. Yeah, you got to land this plane fast, man. Billy's given me all these supplements and maybe some of them are working. I've noticed that I've had

become more vascular after my workouts in my arms so I can see like more veins and shit. That part's true. But also I'm pissing like 20 times a day. Vitamins probably. No, it's not really vitamins because usually when you piss if you've been taking vitamins you see like bright

orange piss or like highlighter pee. My pee is the same color as normal and especially if I'm drinking beers I have to pee like every five to ten minutes it's ridiculous like I'm peeing all the time and I think it's because

Billy's pills that he's given me are fucking out my prostate I basically I gave him a bunch of tea boosters stuff to support healthy testosterone production and I think it I think it you know enlarged his prostate

because I think that's more of a I think that's more of like a a maintenance problem by you what does that mean how do like I'm not maintaining my prostate I think you might be a little backed up. I'm doing kegles. I mean, you around that age where we got to start paying attention to your prostate and shit like that.

Like my grandfather, like, not to be, you know, bring down. But my grandpa actually died of prostate cancer. So, like, I'm got to be kind of hyper-aware some of this shit. So if you're taking shit that actively fucks with your prostate, I don't know, man. Maybe maybe get it checked up before you start popping Billy's private pack of muscle. I don't yeah I don't trust Billy it's basically big pharma He's just I'm small pharma

Yeah I'm mini pharma Yeah Micro pharma Independent pharma Farmers Farmers only dot com Pill Billy maybe you can give it me Like I was a professional athlete But dudes always had supplements

They always had something I never really took anything The one time I did It fucked me up Yeah some people aren't born With the best genetics for like being jacked athletic so they try to you know make up for it in other ways yeah who are you insinuating here just like like you had somebody in mind i don't know like us not professional

athletes yeah i'm actually surprised that billy hasn't tried to talk to erion about getting you on some sort of supplement regimen because i i feel like billy would look at you like like his his favorite project because you do have you've got all the building blocks and Billy would be like I could make a superhuman out of Arian

Yeah I'm straight man I feel like he's climbed the mountain So he has no real motivation Sort of zero Yeah actually That's actually fucking me up right now Being consistent in like working out It's fucking me up

Because I just don't have any Like I'll get to a point Where I'm comfortable And then I'll just stop again Because it's done it so much That it's just I need to I need other

motivation. Like when you talk to bodybuilders, it's always like, you know, like, what's his face? I'm blanking on his name. But a lot of them, they're like, it's like climbing a mountain. They got gigantic. They hit super huge, you know, PRs. And now they're done. They're like, yeah, I climbed the mountain.

That's why I did it, you know. Yeah, what do you do for the, how does a bodybuilder retire? Ronnie Coleman basically literally can't walk. Yeah. anymore he he has like two walking sticks his back is shot and it's like would you do the same thing again he's like yeah hell yeah he's like do you see how jacked i got yeah i mean look look up ronie coleman oh i know really yeah and now he walks around his back is absolutely like his body is shot but he climbed that mountain all right well maybe i'll maybe i'll go see a doctor and have them

give me some prostate answers i don't think my prostate's fucked up actually i think it's that I'm taking all these supplements and your tea my piss is falling out of my body I bet if we actually did labs and took a like your testosterone before you started taking my supplements in what they are currently it's definitely I'd say like a hundred NG over DLs more my T's higher yeah 100%

it explains all the fights I've been getting into yeah I've been angry yeah I've been beating everybody's ass yeah I kicked out of three bars this weekend it was It was a scene. Big T, how are you doing? You know me. Same as always. Exact same as always.

No better, no worse. Yeah, pretty much. What'd you get into this weekend? Nothing. Like literally nothing. I don't believe that. I sat at home. That sounds suspicious.

Do you want to take some supplements? I played video games. No, I don't. There was some turmoil in the group chat, by the way. Should we mention that? Big T left. Big T unfollowed us on Twitter. And unfollowed PFT and

Oh yeah what was that for A clip I might have posted You unfollowed PFT and the page Oh yeah PFT well he had a bad tweet Dude it asking me to make the tweet I had a bad tweet What was my bad tweet? You wished a happy holidays on a day that wasn't a holiday

To all those who celebrate No no bad I refollowed he's followed again Yep okay Am I followed again? The page Yeah Okay I think

so big t explains me because i know that you're all over this college football playoff thing what's going on with georgia fans barking everywhere i mean that if if the people in indianapolis didn't know that was going to be a problem they could have called literally anybody from the south and we could have told them that that's what was going to be happening if i just i love imagining someone on a plane from Atlanta to indianapolis this weekend who just doesn't follow college football at all because every single Delta flight from Atlanta, Indiana, Indianapolis, there's a guy.

My favorite video is the guy who gets it because my name's Trey from Waycross, Georgia, class of 2018. We're going to call the dogs. And then they just do, they do their dumbass little thing. And like, it's just, what kind of bark is it? I don't do it. I don't bark as an adult. So you can go listen to them do it.

Like that? Yeah, it's like, they. That's calling the dogs. You just start barking at people. Well, they do their little chant before. too. You saw the, the cops show up to St. Elmo's, the Steakhouse. I did, yeah. Yeah. They're just, I mean, they're just

walking around Indianapolis, just barking at everyone. I love the idea of a fan base getting arrested for barking. They just like, this is another, we should never have the national title. It should never be in the north, though. Like, they don't understand. It should rotate between

Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, New Orleans. Well, that's assuming that it's all Southern teams. It is. Every year. It will be. Yes. And even if it's not, even if it's not, it's a treat for the teams from the north to come where it's warm. Instead of going up where it's eight degrees and nobody, you know, cares. I'm just imagining like a 300 pound overweight UGA fan barking while getting tased on the floor. That is quite a funny sight. I love it. That's why I love college football, man. It takes a special group of people to make

Alabama fans look like the rational ones, but they do it. You can't lose. If you get arrested, barking at somebody in a restaurant but then you follow that up with a loss that's embarrassing you have to win you can't be like oh yeah you know i got to go back to indianapolis i don't want to go back there because you know we lost last i was there but i got a court date yeah like you won't have to return to that shit imagine being that cop too like you just got to go got to call that there's some barking going on at the steakhouse they're calling the dogs down at st almos all right say no more Yeah. I am rooting for Alabama tonight, though. I had a dream. I dreamt that Alabama won 30 to 21. So I'm going to go with that. I don't ever remember my dreams, but I'm going to roll with it tonight. How are you rooting for Alabama?

I'm not really rooting, but I'm rooting for my dream to come true. And I'm going to bet on them. So I'm rooting for my dream and for me to have more money. Taking a little alt spread. How much you've been? Well, see, here's the thing is I'm trying to find a sports book that. take the bet for the exact score of 30 to 21. There are some sports books that will do it. They are not owned by Barstool, so they're a competitor. I don't know if I want to send my action to them, but I'm probably going to bet a thousand bucks on it. Not on the exact spread, but on an alternate line.

The best one I can find is seven and a half. You're going to take seven and a half? Alabama minus seven and a half. What's that like plus four or five hundred? plus I want to say 340 it's not it's not that great but I I want to I want to put my money behind my dream I like that what is the what is the spread right now who's George is a two and a half point favorite and Bama beat them 41 to 24 a month ago so oh that's what I did do okay so one morning I woke up and I couldn't sleep it was like probably like a week ago maybe and I hadn't watched any of the bowl game and so I rewatched it I downloaded the EFPN am app and I rewatched the Alabama game and the Georgia game. And just off of those games, I don't think Georgia can beat them. And the reason why is Georgia doesn't have an offense.

They don't really have a good offense. They just rely on playing good being solid, though. Like, they don't have any playmakers on offense from the game that I saw. Yeah, I don't see. I don't have a dog in a fight, but it just doesn't look like Georgia can be. I think both of them kept it very vanilla in those games because it was very clear after like two drives that neither Michigan nor Cincinnati was going to, you know, have a real chance.

Georgia, I think, is like eighth or ninth in the country in scoring offense. Like, they score. That's how you keep, that's how you find playmakers, though. Like, if the game is vanilla, the playmakers are still going to make plays. And on a Georgia side, I just didn't see anybody that can, it's like basketball almost. I was like, when you're looking at somebody off of, can they create their own shot?

I didn't see a lot of those guys on the Georgia offense. Yeah. Well, their best, George Pickens is their best receiver, and that was like his first game back, and he only played in, I think, like, 20 snaps or something. So I could be wrong. It was just one game. I think Alabama is going to win.

I think Georgia has better players on the whole. I just don't think, I think Alabama has far superior coaching and the mental edge. Yeah. That, like, Georgia just knows in the back of their mind they're not going to beat them. Right now, Kirby Smart is staring in a mirror somewhere, just like, just in a cold sweat. He's terrified. He's like, I have to play this fucking guy again.

He is so goddamn scared right now. So I like my odds going with Alabama here. I am a little bit worried, though, that they lost one of their playmakers in the, that was in the SEC championship game, right? Matchy got hurt? Correct. Or was that in the, I forget, was that the first round? No, it was in the SEC title game because he didn't play against Cincinnati. And Metchie is, he's not like their best wide receiver, but I was,

he's probably second. He's probably second best and he's very, very good. He's like not, he's not a world class speed threat, but he's the guy that kind of holds that offense together a little bit. Billy's just snorting a shitload of salt over here. I was tired. Yeah. Oh, was it just smelling sauce?

Yeah, we had a late night last night. We recorded part of my take until like 2 o'clock. in the morning. Did you watch any football yesterday, Aaron? Any NFL? No, I didn't. Did you see what happened with the night game, at least, when it was the Chargers and the Raiders? And so the way that it shook out was it was the standalone Sunday night game.

Chargers against the Raiders, winner gets into the playoffs, loser goes home. Really? However, if they had tied, they would have both gotten into the playoffs. And so the Raiders got off to an early lead. Chargers looked like they were going to just blow it, not even have a chance. Chargers ended up coming back in the fourth quarter, tying the game. It goes into overtime. Both teams kick field goals.

The Raiders now have the ball driving with about two minutes left. And they look like they're just going to run out the clock and not trying to score because they know that if the clock strikes zero, it's a tie game, both teams. get in. The Chargers knew that too. So the Chargers were obviously very happy to get into the playoffs too, but then the Chargers coach called a timeout, stopped the clock, and then the Raiders just decided with their last couple of plays to try to win the game. They ran for a first down, kicked a field goal with two seconds left, and knocked the charges out of the playoffs. It was crazy because it was the teams were not trying to tie during the.

the course of the game, but it got to a point at the end where it made more sense for the two of them to tie and to try, like, attempting that field goal at the end was risky because if you get it blocked, return the other way. Like, yeah. The only thing that the Raiders really had to play for was if they won that game, which they ended up winning, then they wouldn't have to play against the Chiefs in the first round. So they would get to play against the Bengals instead. So there was a little bit of advantage there, but Billy was talking about the prisoner's

dilemma before we jumped on this call and how that equate to. to like the decisions that the Chargers and the Raiders were making. But like I have to imagine that from a player perspective, it would be almost impossible to try to tie a football game because there'd always be like one guy that wouldn't get the memo that would go a little bit harder. You know, there's so many, so many variables that go into each play. So hold on, real quick.

The Charger coach at the end, like it's a press conference, he said, yeah, I called the time out. Do you say why he called a timeout? I was going to ask that too. I didn't see a quote from him like justifying it because it was third and four with like 30 seconds left

and the clock was running and Vegas seemed like they were just going to run it up the middle again and let the clock run out and then he called the time out he tweaked he tweaked he knew that that was the game if they converted

they were going to you know kick a field goal if they didn't they were going to run out the clock so the Chargers coach tweaked he thought that he had to rest these players because it was such a pivotal play. But if they had gotten the first down,

they probably just were to let the clock expire. Yeah, I think because they needed another five or so yards in addition to the first down to get into field goal range. I think if they got like right across the line, they still weren't going to kick in. I think that both coaches were kind of looking across the field at each other, just checking out the vibe and trying to,

they were both feeling out the situation as it was happening in real time. Like, are we actually going to do this? Are we both going to be cool with a tie? And then when Brandon Staley coach of the Chargers called his time out I think that like that rattled the Raiders a little bit It broke the trust yeah broke the trust a little bit And the Raider was like all right fuck it let's just win the game That's fucking wild

Prisoner's dilemma and then there was rumors you know That they said there was players saying yeah we were going to kneel it on Because if they didn't convert on third They're just going to run the clock out And then take a knee on fourth And finish the whole game So Billy explain the prisoners delimit to us

so a lot of so I was in the trenches on Twitter fighting with game for your service just like guys like well it's not the prisoner's dilemma because there's no incentive for both of them to tie

and there's no like punishment if they both and it was just but basically you had a situation where both parties so the prisoner's dilemma is this two bank robbers a duo both get caught

locked up in two different interrogation rooms okay mad dog and avery mad dog and a room for robin game theory game theory yeah yeah okay lock them up two different rooms and they tell them if you rat on your buddy they'll get 20 years you'll get zero if they don't rat on you all right so if avery rats on mad dog

then mad dog goes away for 20 years and if mad dog doesn't snitch back So if Avery Ratted on me I would get 20 years And you stayed silent And I stayed silent But if we both But then

The whole thing is if we both Read on each other You both get fucked So if Mad Dog Kept her mouth shut Yeah Avery could then Walk free

Walk free And I would take the 20 years And Mad Dog would take The Brun of a sentence Screwing Mad Dog Yeah So wait wait wait So if Mad Dog

If Mad Dog If she rats on Avery back if they both rat on each other then they both get we both get 20 years but if you both don't say anything you get one year and if you both don't say anything you get one year and so then there's

there's four different outcomes you keep your mouth shut yeah basically if you average out the outcomes on the decision so if you choose yourself independently to rat on the other person you have a greater chance of either getting zero years or 5 years

Okay, we did the numbers wrong If you both rat on each other You get five years Okay If one rat's on the other one The other one say silent You get that person who stayed silent It gets 20 years

If you both stay silent You get one year So on average If you stay silent You're either getting 20 or one years If you add that up 21 divided by two It's 10.5 years So in that case

If it's five years Then it'd be better to just Always rat on the other person Yeah that's not It's not really a person a dilemma in this analogy. But it is, the whole thing is like, would you rather tie? If you both agree to tie.

Is that us ratting on each other? No, that's, you both saying silent. If you both try to win, then, you know, it's a 50-50 chance. So, like, it's 100% chance you make to the playoffs if you tie. There's a 50% chance if you both try. If one of you tries and one of you tries to tie, then it's 100%. percent chance and zero percent chance so if you average it out you have a higher probability of winning if you try to win i mean that's usually how it works i don't we totally butchered this whole thing

there's yeah i have a diagram i don't pay i don't pay as much attention to the nfls i do college football but i i'd forgotten until i watched last night that rich bassaccio was their head coach and i knew i'd heard that name before yeah and i looked it up and i remember so um when tennessee was hiring a coach after butch jones they had all these text messages like in a FOIA request come out and one of them said uh wanted to let you know i just received a call from rich besotia wanting to talk with you if you're not locked in on a coach somebody texted that to tennessee's athletic director quote who's he curry responded about uh that was tennessee's ad at the time who also got fired during that coaching search i just knew i'd heard that name before and i couldn't remember where but there were

always rumors about him because he was like grudin's guy so when the groomers would come up for UT Basakia was always, like, in the mix, too. Yeah, the groomers, those were, like, it was every offseason. That was the coolest time to be in Knoxville was the groomers of 2017. People were just spot in John Gruden all around town. Yeah, his wife's family lives in, you know, Knox County and all this stuff, yeah. If Gruden was still the head coach, they would have tied. You think so?

They would have tied if Staley didn't call the time out. I don't think that Gruden would have tied. I think Gruden, he looks at that, and he's like, that's, anti-football pussy move I don't know I was just really rooting for the tie because it will something like that will probably never ever happen again in football

like it's like rooting for like the ultimate underdog to happen in anyone who's like oh why do you want to have the tie like dude like it's cool it's like witnessing history I was anti-tie you're anti-tie because I'm best friends with Jersey Jerry and I didn't want him to leave he was going to do it

he no he was going to leave Barstool Sports if they tried? He was going to leave this earth. That's what he was threatening. Yep. Jerry is my guy. I would never root against him.

So he was upset. He was going to cry. He was crying. He didn't, I mean, but the Steelers weren't going to make the playoffs if it wasn't for the Jags. Still. I wouldn't put any evil on him. Anyway.

There was another example of the Prisoner's Dilemma are it's more game theory. And we could probably do an episode on game theory because I still, I don't understand. and shit about it really, but I can... It's why we haven't nuked each other. Mutually assured destruction. Yeah. Yeah. But there's this one game show, I think it was like a British game show called Split or Steel, where you would get teamed up with a stranger and you would have like two

options that you could say, and it was for like $50,000 or something like that. If me and Billy were put in a room together, we'd each write down essentially on a piece of paper, do you want to split the jackpot or do you want to split the jackpot or do you want to steal from the other person. And so if you both agree to split, I think you each get $25,000. And if one person steals from the other, then they get, I want to say like $75,000. If they can convince the other. So if I say that I want to steal it and Billy says he wants to split it, I get to steal it from him and I get $75,000 instead of splitting the $50 grand with them and there was this one episode where the two guys went through this like because you're allowed

to talk it out but you can you can do whatever you want and write down whatever you want but the point is like you try to you try to trick the other person into splitting and then you can steal it screw them you can screw them over if you can make them if you can build that trust and there was this one guy that just absolutely dominated the other guy mentally and was saying like you can do whatever you want on there I'm going to steal just so you know and if they both chose steal no one gets anything so but the guy was like giving him a heads up like i'm going to steal this fucking jackpot you can trust me and i can take the 75 grand and then after we're done i can break you off 40 000 or 30 000 and so make it worth your while and so just absolutely beat this guy

down and the other guy was like can't we both please just split it let's just both say that we're going to split it we'll be fine we can we can take the money i just don't i don't feel comfortable with you saying that you're going to steal and then me having to trust you. So after like hours of going back and forth on this, they reveal what they both chose to do. They both chose to split it. So the guy was lying the entire time about the fact that he was going to steal, but he was doing that just to ensure that the other guy wouldn't also try to steal. Does that make sense? Just crazy stuff. It's like fascinating glimpse into. Why wouldn't that guy though just out of spite be like fuck you i'm going to steal it and then we both get nothing because he he would have gotten

nothing either way right if the guy had actually stolen it right but but the other guy was telling him if you let me steal it i'm going to give you half is that legal yeah you can make you can make those sorts of promises but usually when the people do it they just take them on so actually a big proponent in this and sort of huge factor and this actually relates back to the NFL is Anne Rand. Okay. Oh my God. Yeah.

She's fucking adult shit. I know. But the idea, her sort of philosophy was that acting in self, if everyone acts in their self-interest, society functions better. Mm-hmm. And everything sort of, uh, in the thing, the funny thing is is Aaron Rogers had this book on like his, uh, book, freaking book case. Which one was it?

Is it the fatless shrugged or something like that? I've never read in Ayn Rand, Ayn Rand. She's a libertarian goddess. I'm familiar with her work. I just haven't read it myself personally. She's buried. I remember one time in high school, I was taking a political science class, I think. And my teacher played an interview of Phil Donahue interviewing

ayn Rand and I was like what century does he think that we're living in right now like these Phil Donahue was like I guess he was massive in in the 80s and so is In Rand Anne Rand what's her name I'm Rand she's Russian yeah she certainly was so she thinks that everybody that acts in self-interest is good for society overall well if everyone is why okay explain to me like I'm an idiot why why Wouldn't that just make everybody selfish assholes? It wouldn't. This is where libertarians and Republicans,

this is like where she's like, I don't know if she's like a folklore hero, but I don't know, they love her work where she's basically saying like the free, it's like their justification for the free market. They're saying the best of the best will rise to the top, right? If everybody just acts in self-interest, the best of the best will rise to the top.

And those best of the best, because of the best of the best, they'll take care of everybody else. Or they'll figure out ways to take care of everybody else. That's her thinking. In the way they'll, in part of it's like by taking care of everyone else, they're acting their self interest, for example, creating a product to help other people that they will profit from. But the only way they'll get profit. But it's merely, yeah, it's merely profits though. Because I think she was even quoted saying, and I could be wrong about this, but she was even quote of saying like even philanthropy in itself isn't in your self interest.

So you shouldn't do it. I'm not fucking fine You know what I've heard her say that I've heard her say that I think that was in the interview that I saw With her philanthropy Philanthropy May sound like it's helping others

But really it's basically Buying feeling good about yourself Yeah I think I heard her say one time Like she pulled out the old line Give a mouse a cookie And it'll ask for a glass of milk Yeah It's that's one of those things

Where it's like If you Acting in your self-interest Also includes doing good things for others but like secretly like you're not doing good things for others for other people you're secretly doing it for yourself isn't that okay though if like doing something good for somebody else makes me feel good about myself and I like that feeling but that's you're doing it for yourself technically but isn't that still good well that's the argument like that's acting in your

self-interest is good sometimes yeah yeah I don't know if everyone acts in their self-interest if everyone okay this is what she said so so so basically she was saying that it should not be considered like a moral duty or a major virtue so So if she's, she's all for a billionaires not divvying up the pot, like she, she doesn't give a fuck. Like, she thinks that it's, it runs an antithesis of goodwill to say, don't force me to do. Like, it's no good, there's no good virtue in philanthropy. Like, it's basically what she sent. What about people that donate anonymously to things?

Do they donate anonymously to charity because they know in, in their own mind that doing something anonymously is better so they feel better about it themselves? So it's really not that, you can make the argument that it's like more self-serving to donate anonymously to something. But this also implies that morals and like being a good person is still objectively part of like psychology, like of what's going on. Also, if you donate anonymously, you can still like tell all your friends. Yeah, but that's not anonymously anymore. Yeah. So it's the, um, is, is all truism, uh, pure.

is there just thing as like does pure altruism exist i think it does but i think because you get something out of it doesn't necessarily negate the intent of you do of wanting to do good you know what i mean it shouldn't be a situation where it's only a good thing if you feel like shit when you do it or if it's at personal sacrifice to you in one way right i understand the philosophical argument but it's just i think they discount duality like Two things could be true at once. I could feel good from it and I could only want good from it. Because I feel it's me feeling good as a byproduct of somebody else feeling good about it.

Like there's an example, because I bought a house for my mother, right? And that's a really, really weird process, right? Because what you're doing is you're allocating the budget for them, for like, say you're buying a house for anybody, right? What you do is you're allocating a budget for them to eventually feel happy in, right? And so there's a. a dynamic at play that says, okay, you have to feel good about where you're living. So you can veto a house that somebody else is buying for you. And that's a weird, that's a weird dynamic. And so it's altruistic in the sense of me saying, like, say, I bought somebody a house

and they didn't like the house, right? Do I still feel good about buying a house with somebody that they're not happy? Right. Yeah. So it's like a philosophical argument, which I understand debating for the second debating but I think duality is a real thing yeah I could see that being like a weird situation for your mom too if she's looking at a house and she's got a minor misgiving about it or you know she prefers maybe a different neighborhood or something like that her having to be like hey I don't want this one is that okay because like that's a it's a real concern that she might have but it also probably feels awkward to to voice something like that when someone else is taken care of it. Yep, it was very weird. And so that's a conversation we had to have.

It's like, it's like, listen, I understand that dynamic. And so I'm doing this for you to be happy, not for me to be happy. So if you don't like it, fuck that house. Like we were all, we were almost done closing on the house and then we went to go visit it and she like didn't like it. But I could tell she was like hesitant. Like, mom, you don't fuck with this on. She's like, I just don't. Fuck this house. Well, good. Good people are much more differential if someone else is like getting something for them. It was. I don't, I don't even think that's necessarily like a good or bad thing. I think

like you can you can say that it's, it would be polite. You want to be polite to somebody, but also you have to have that conversation like areas talk about where you just like get down to like the real shit and be like, hey, this is actually going to be where you live. So yeah, you might

it's a good time to be honest. I value your honesty more than your kindness right now, you know? Yeah, yeah. Because then you want to be 10 years down the road. You're like, Miserable because you live in a house that you don't like neighborhood. You don't like. You know what I?

That's a tough, even though somebody bought it for you, it's still like, I'm not happy here. It is what it did. Yeah. Let's do the prisoners dilemma right now. Okay. Big T and Billy. Big T and Billy. I will give you $100.

Oh, shit. If you agree to. Time out. Are you really, this is like a real. Yeah, no, we're gonna, we're gonna put this to practice here. It's like bum fights. $200. All right, all right, $200.

All right, so here's where it is. I'm in, I'm in. Okay, if you both, if you both agree to split, okay. You will get $100 each. Huh? Deal. If you, if you, wait, wait,

or if you steal it from the other person, you get, what's the correct amount here? 200? It would be 300 if Aryan. throwing in 200. No, no, no, no, no. It's 100 each. No, but that we have to incentivize you to want to steal.

It gets all 200. Yeah, I don't get what the... 100 each or 2. Because you would never let him just steal the 200. How about this? All right. If you agree to split, you get $50 each. If you steal...

Oh, well, this sucks, man. No, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, Billy, shut up. If you are able to steal from the other person, you get $200. But then where does the other hundred go if we split? No, that's the thing is like you can either choose to split $100 or you can steal and try to get $200. That's how PFT's thing once. It was like they either get 75 or they split 50.

Yeah. So basically, Big T, if you can convince Billy to let you steal, then you can get $200 and then you can cut Billy in and give him $100. And that way you guys both double your money. Okay. Does that make sense? Okay. Hey, ha, blah, stop. But if you both steal.

If you both steal, you get nothing. You get nothing. If, so, but if one of us steals, then we have 200 and we can do 100 each instead of 50 each. Yeah, so it's up to us to split it. To split it after that. Okay, so we'll both text. Well, hang on, hang on, hang on, stop. Don't text it.

You're going to write it down a piece of paper. So, okay. Can't they talk it out? Yes. Yeah, talk it out for so. I'm going to split no matter what, so it's up to you to steal. And you can't let the other person see what you're writing. That's the only rule.

Give me a piece of paper and a pen. Yeah. So Big T, turn away from Billy. I don't want you looking. I don't want you guys copying. Actually, I trust Big T. I don't trust Billy. I'm literally.

Can I have a piece of paper? Yeah, here. So. He don't even want to split the piece of paper here. So, so. Okay, Billy. So let's think about this. Wait, wait, wait.

Billy, don't show him what you're writing down. You guys talk it out. You're missing the whole point. I know I'm telling you out. Okay. I am going to write steel. Okay. I'm going to write steel. Okay. I'm going to write steel. I am going to write steel. I'm going to write steel. I'm splitting. If you want to fuck me, you're fucking me. Exactly. I'm going to write steel. I'm going to split. I'm writing spliting. I would be fucking me. Exactly. Yes. So I put the fucking on you. Okay. So don't. Wait, big T. You wouldn't be fucking yourself. Yes. I would. because I'd be getting 50 instead of 100. No, I wrote split. He's writing split. He says. If I wrote split, then we each get 50. If I write steal, I get 200.

I give him 100. We get 100. So I would also be fucking myself. Yeah, so I think we have to change that then. It would be if you steal and then split, then the other person splits and you still, you get 150. No, no, no, no. We're not changing the rules now. We're not changing the rules.

I'm splitting. Right split. Because if you write, because if you write steel, then we both get nothing. I know. So I wrote split. But that's what I'm saying. That's why we had to change it.

I think we set the... No, no, no. This is how the show worked. This is how we steal from him. Come on. No, no. This is how we get the money from them. It's a psychological experiment.

It's not a fucking... I think I do with more people who aren't as cooperating. Like, two strangers. You don't really know. Yeah, two strangers. Like, I think big T's... There's got to be some random in the office right now, right?

There's got to be some random in the office. Yeah. No, no, no. Let's finish this. And then we'll boy can do it with Randolphin one. We set the premise up wrong. Well, no, no, we just first. I don't,

this is right there. I mean, this is, this is what you have yours written down? I have mine written down. Oh, wait. So the way that this is set up is, um, no, wait, I'm just reading out loud.

The decision that contestants are faced with is known as a prisoner's dilemma. In the final round, each contestant chooses between splitting the money and stealing it. If both parties choose a split, they each get half the jackpot earnings. If both choose steal, neither player gets either money. but if one contested chooses split

and the other chooses steal the one who chose to steal gets all the money yeah so yeah we set it up wrong yeah it should be 100 each with split we set it up which is how we were doing it anyway yeah yeah so should we start again no and also the test subjects matter

because if it's two people who know each other then more than likely they're all are the ones that wanted to do this yeah it was pft I like the experiment but we didn't think it out Yeah, but this is us, you know, conning you guys, so you guys got God. We didn't come up with this. Yeah, you guys got God. Okay, ready, Big T, let's go.

So, wait, are we doing it under the rules? You said or under the real rules? The real rules. Okay, so we're changing now. We're changing. We're changing. Okay, we're not doing it at all anymore. What are you told me?

No, no. No, we're too far. We're in too deep. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. The money is still up for grabs. Hey, man, no, you thought I'm a hundred if we're in too deep. You're the one that said this. This is literal psychological bump fights.

Okay, so now we want to split. Okay, so, but the thing is, even, so I'm going to put split. Okay. So, if you put steel, which I actually trust, you're going to put split. I'm going to put split. I'm going to write split as well. But if Big T put steel, then he gets all the money. And if you take all the money, I'm not going to do that.

Okay, so let's just, I trust you. I, I, I, I'm going to split. Well, now, I, I'm trusting you, Billy. Billy's talking to you into writing split No, no, no, no, I said I was going to write split No, no, but he's yeah, but if you steal I'm going to come for the money Now I feel like he wrote steel

No, but I'm going to come for the money if you wrote steel I just, I wrote split, I'm writing split I wrote split I don't know that I trust him now Yeah, I mean, this is where it happened I wrote split If you want to fuck me, You can fuck me.

Billy's got a lot of... I don't want to fuck you. I just don't want to get fucked. Billy's acting so... I will do no fucking. We know that Billy has some... He's got a lot of chickens that he has to buy. See, here's the thing.

He's got to go to tractor supply. If I... If I... Okay, here's the deal. Here's the deal. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to take out an insurance policy. Uh-huh.

I'm going to write steel. Okay. If you wrote split... That's actually 100%. Fair. I will give you $100. Perfect. If you wrote steel, then at least I'm not getting fucked. Yeah, that's a... I can live with

getting nothing if you also get nothing. If you wrote split, I will give you $100. That's totally fine. Okay, so he definitely wrote steel. No. Definitely wrote split. So he's writing steel. Right, but you're not allowed to show each other. No, don't show each other. So he might, he actually might have

wrote... I don't know what he... Split. Why would I do that? I know. Right, split? yeah because you might be using the steel as a just make sure that you know no no no I'm hedging if if you wrote split yeah we will still split okay we're writing whatever you did if if you wrote split we will split it okay and if you wrote steel that you wrote steel I wrote split okay okay ready I did okay show the camera okay

okay okay okay let me just check this real break okay he wrote steel No, I wrote split. I was just making sure I didn't write steel by accident because they're two, the two one syllable S words. And we keep fucking. Wait, wait. So before you reveal, walk me through exactly what your logic is, why. Okay.

I want to, I want to, what's the insurance? I don't. Okay, okay. Here's the thing. Hold on, hold on, before you do it, I think in order for this to be a little more accurate, I think if, if one right steel and the other right split, they can't get the full pot or else nothing incentivizes them if they know. each other, you know what I mean? So I think

if it's steel versus split, then it has to be 175. We're just changing the rules as we go along. No, you guys just are trying to make us not work. As you should with a social experiment. I think it is 70, I think it is 150. Okay, that's the best. If a steel happens, that's the new, that's the new. If it's, if it's

if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's still happens, it's 150 total. So 75 each. Okay. Oh, sure. Um, will you use 75 each? I wrote split. So if you want to fuck me on the steel. But then, uh, so. So, so, well now I want to write split though well I got split down too

I know then we each get 100 instead of 75 I know I kind of would like 100 it's really up to you if you want 100 or 75 you know what you want 100 or 150 what well because it'd be 75 each but you don't have to split it I'm writing split

he has an insurance policy well well it's not quite as good now I guess it is it's not a hundred it's not a hundred or 75 it's a hundred or a hundred But it's still an insurance policy. This is bad podcasting. Let's just reveal it. No, no, no. I'm going to write split. I'm willing to live, you know what? I'm doing okay.

Things are all right right now. If you want to take the PR hit of stealing. That's what I'm thinking. It's totally not worth it. I don't need the 75 bucks that bad. I'm writing split. Well, it's 150. You understand. No. If we split, it's 200. Right. But if I stole and you split like we originally said, then it's 150. But if you steal, you could keep 150. I'm not going to do that. Okay. I'm not taking the PR head on that.

I trust BigTee a lot. I don't know why. Why is everyone? No. Big T's got you fooled, Matt. I know. I don't know. I wrote split.

Did you write split? I wrote split. Let's see them. Okay. Three, two, one. They both wrote split. They did it. All right.

Big T did cross out steel. I had steel. Well, that's because that was our original plan. Okay. Good. All right. That was actually very nice of them. Vinmo.

Well, in moya. I'm going to be honest, there was a little part of me. Of course there was. That was like, I could just switch it right now. When he was like, you could have 150. I was like, I think I've got him pretty bad. But I was like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to betray his trust like that. Perfect. All right. And I think that's that. That is the important part, I think of the social experiment is if you're doing it with somebody that you know and you have to frequent, then you're less likely to fuck him over. But if it was just a stranger on. street you're like i mean i don't have to deal with these consequences yeah i i think that makes it more likely to split though because you don't i could tell if billy was lying if you were with a stranger i would

have zero trust in that person so i yeah that's what that's yeah that's yeah that's what i'm saying yeah yeah also i think the more money that gets involved the more people get fucked up over oh for sure yeah if it was like a hundred fifty thousand dollars oh yeah right because that's like life changing yeah yep all right well that was the Prisoner's Dilemma. You guys are good prisoners. My brain hurts. You love it. Big T. Love it. Psychological bum fights. Yeah. We need to do more of these. We need to do the Stanford Prison Experiment. We need to

recreate that one. We can make that a whole video. You know that was like fake, right? Yeah, yeah. Huge fraud. I was very upset to hear that. And then we should remake the one where you do the dial that shocks people. Yeah. And also if you're out there and you have any other suggestions for us for cool experiments. I think those were the same dude. psychological bun fights I think well yeah we should do that

we should make that a recurring recurring theme on the show maybe we just get two random people from the office yeah do with like different combos of people

yeah recreate just have it be Nick and KB for all of them every time and they do the same thing every week this guy came up to me

in the bar on Saturday and just handed me a necklace and it said dead Marcus on it you have a dead Marcus necklace

and I was like I was like what the fuck you have a you have a dead Marcus necklace well I did what you do with it Well, I gave it to KB.

I gave it to Nick. But somebody walked up and gave me this necklace and said dead Marcus on it. Yeah. And they're like, hey, KB got drunk one time and gave me this necklace in a bar so I wanted to give it to you. And so I brought it in and I showed it to Nick. He's like, holy shit, where did you get that for? I didn't know this was a- It's like the sisterhood of the traveling pants.

I didn't know. It's a sisterhood of the dead Marcus chain. I didn't know it was a thing. Is it one chain? No. So Nick K. And Rone, I believe, all have a chain that says dead Marcus on it for Nick. friend Marcus, dead Marcus.

He died? He died. If this is real, again, I don't know, Nick and KB, this could all be a sham, but this is the story. And they all had chains that said, say dead Marcus on them. And I think it was Rhone, who gave away his dead Marcus chain to someone, what a son of a boy dads do that give things away. That mean a lot to people. But then they were like, Nick and K. B still had their dead Marcus chain. And they were like, well, what are we going to do? Now the three of us don't have the dead marcus chain someone's just out there with the dead marcus chain you are a beacon of hope and and were given the dead marcus chain and then you gave it back and now

the earth has like restored yeah has restored its like peace oh shit well yeah i had no idea i had no idea about any of this but this one guy was like here's kb's dead marcus train and it's like they talked about it on the yak i had no idea what that meant when he said that to me And I was like, okay, I guess I'll give this back to KB. Yeah. And then Nick absconded with it when I brought it back into the studio today. What's that word? Obsconded?

Yeah. It's a great word that just means like stolen, ran away with. Yeah. But that's actually really funny. If you, if, yeah, they talk about it on the Yakult time, Dead Marcus and anus. All right, before we get into Big Pharma, I want to talk to you about our great friends over at Three Chi. I'm not a drug guy, but I am a three Chi guy. I'm actually wearing my not a drug guy shirt right now because I'm,

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that I had in my apartment that ate an entire weed brownie and died. It came to my apartment. I had a mouse this morning. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't know if it's high, but it probably was. It probably was. Yeah. It's impossible to get rid of mice in New York because they can just get in through any tiny little crack and I keep a pretty clean apartment for the most part

but you can't you can't ever keep mice out I also live above a Chinese restaurant and I don't think that helps my case probably not a lot of food down there yeah real RIP though Bob Sagan yeah also since we've been recording this Robert Durst died not RIP to that guy not RIP but he died who's Robert Derser

a killer he's a serial killer he was Barretta, the TV detective right, and he killed his wife and then admitted to killing his wife. I think he also killed his landlord. And his like, like, business partners. Man, though, that's not an RIP. What you're talking about?

No, no, no, no, I didn't say RIP. I just say he died while we have... Wait, did you say Fred Durst? Robert Durst. Yeah, Robert Durst. You didn't say Fred Durst, did you? No, Robert Durst. The guy from the Jinks.

Yeah, the guy from the Jakes. Who's Fred Durst? Oh, my God. Was he here? I remember him in Eminemstone. Do you Margo over? who we gave head to first. Yeah.

I don't know who it is, though. Singer Limpisket. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Yeah. That's right, though. Sit next to Carson Daly and Fred Durs. Listen to him or you over who she gave head to first.

Fred Durs was also on a track with Method Man. In together now. That was embarrassing for Fred Durs to have to go toe to toe with Method Man. I felt bad for Method Man, actually. He had to do that song. But, yeah, so no. No RIP to Robert Durst. That guy sucked.

Also, RIP to Sidney Poitier. A lot of dust this weekend. Facts, facts, facts. Who? Sydney Poitier is the first black man to win an Oscar. Oh, great actor. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Man, 2022 sucks, huh? Losing all her ears. That's a lot going on. Did you know, you ever get to meet Bob Saggett? Nah, never met him. A few people around the office have had a chance to meet him, interview them. Everyone loved them. is a very apparently a very nice funny guy

kind guy kind of guy you want to be around Danny Tanner America's dad yeah so nobody else is allowed to die in 2022 we've lost Billy's chickens

I don't know if we can handle anything else but yeah also RIP to the mouse I died I would highly recommend that's a great way to kill a mouse people are always talking about the most ethical ways to kill a mouse loaded up on on chocolate and in THC

I thought you couldn't overdose on marijuana but I think they can die of chocolate poisoning and I mean the amount of THC that this mouse had it's a mouse for its body weight is just astronomical it probably had dogs can't too I just I didn't know that dogs can die of too much chocolate yeah but like a lot

chocolate blueberries are really bad for dogs usually they puke it up before they actually die from it Grapes. Actually, no, it's grape. Grapes and raisins can kill a dog really easily. People don't realize that. Good to know. It's good to know. It's great to know. Yeah, but I had a pop brownie in my apartment. Don't know how it got there. Called the police to come to take it away. By the time they got there, the mouse had eaten the entire thing and just passed on into a better place. What a great way to go out if your mouse, though. As high as fuck.

That's my ideal way to go out. It's like some impending doom and me saying fuck it and just taking like massive amounts of LSD. There you go. Getting about it. Even I don't know. I'm not sure if you can overdose from it, but I'll try. I saw Don't Look Up on Friday night. Oh, I didn't like that movie.

It was, I just thought it was interesting because the way that they took a subject that we're probably going to have to deal with at some point in the, you know, hopefully not. Not in your future, but at some point, a comet is going to hit the earth. And if it was discovered, like, how would people react to it? Do you get the allegory, though? Yes, they beat you over the fucking head with the allegory. It's so in your face. Yeah. No, tell us, Billy.

What would they really talk about in the move? Hold on. Did you see Ready Player 1? No. Haven't seen it. What was with the disrespect? I don't understand. What's that?

Hey, I don't really feel about me, though. You got to give us a little bit more direct. Tell us what streaming services. Go to fucking and fucking look up what streaming services are all. I think it's all I think it's on HBO Max I believe. It's on

Spielberg. Hulu. It's on Hulu. It's something about HBO Max as well. Okay. I will watch it. It's just such a good movie. I think it's an actual better movie than Don't Look Up. Don't Look Up is I didn't. I thought

the individual performances were good. The plot is just like I get it's just it's a really like if you don't take it so seriously I could see people enjoying it more but it literally was just like so in your face it tries to it tries to do satire but you can't you can't be that blunt when you're doing the set the satire wasn't like smart or witty it was just like they just like repurposed it was like yeah the maga hats no that was the whole the whole point was to try to like you know like yep the modern I got that part. It was like, look at Jonah Hill.

He's basically Donald Trump Jr. Donald Trump Jr. Look at this weird, creepy, like, old man that is really into technology. That guy gave me more Joe Biden vibes. No, he was a mix. Elon, I looked it up. He was a mix of Elon, Steve Jobs, and Mark Zuckerberg. Right.

He gave me way more like Joe Biden, like, talk softly, weirdly vibes. I just think he was like the weird tech guy. Yeah, he was, yeah, definitely like. Like maybe on the spectrum. Yeah. Tech guy. I mean, the Joe Biden was, I understand why he would say that. I think it was maybe.

He kind of looks like Joe. Because he looks like you could tell. I didn't understand. I was trying to figure out if it was COVID like, oh, we didn't like. Yes. Yeah. Well, they wrote, I think it was global warming. Well, it's kind of, they wrote.

They wrote the movie and started filming the movie before COVID happened. Like early, like early 2020, late 2019. Yeah. So COVID wasn't a thing when they first wrote the movie. movie and so I think originally it's probably about climate change and then I think Adam McKay saw this like perfect opportunity and probably switched up parts of it to make it more like COVID-E set. It's just I think overall it's like the science, what they would call science denial in general

is what it's predicated off. I just don't like movies like that where they're so in your face about like this is a mirror of real life. I'm like, I've been living this. like this is an entertainment this is just what i've been watching for you know two years or whatever it was it was a type of satire that i think was design it's not designed to like make people really think it's just designed to make people feel good about what they already believe in because then they're like if you didn't get the movie like you're part of the problem yeah like

somebody watches it and they're like yep i'm a good guy i'm laughing at all the bad guys i'm the leonardo decaprio in this movie i'm i'm one of the good ones uh although leonard DiCaprio, real piece of shit. I hate it when they do that to a character. Like I thought that I liked him at the start and then just out of nowhere he starts cheating on his wife. Yeah. And then it's like not a big deal later.

And also there's like seven plot lines in that movie that just don't like finish. Yeah. I thought Jennifer Lawrence did a good job though. And I thought Jonah Hill was really funny in it. No, me, I mean, you stopped liking him in the movie because he was cheating on his wife? I was very disappointed.

It makes you want to. Yeah. Because I also. also felt like he didn't get, he didn't get punished in the movie for it. No, he's like, they're just like, well, we're going to die anyways. Yeah. She also said, she said, I cheated on you. Yeah, when they were dating in college.

Spoiler alert. Yeah. But I don't know. I feel like when a character does something like that, I want to see it pay off. I want to see somebody, I want to see him suffer a consequence to that. Well, he died. So did she. You also don't know the dynamics of any relationship.

Like maybe she wasn't, maybe she wasn't doing something that wasn't satisfy you don't never know that's true that's very true she got advice from Alex Cooper also I don't think I'd ever seen the lady that played his wife before in a movie and then like the very next day I started watching yellow jackets and she's what is that show I've heard about that a lot of recently about a high school soccer team that gets into a plane crash on the way to nationals and how they kind of evolve into a Lord of the Flies type situation it's like lost it's Lord of the Flies with women uh yeah I didn't ever.

How does that, I got to watch it. And there's some guys. There's some people in it, some men in there. Aren't they like teenagers or something? Yeah, it's a high school soccer team. It's very intense. If you, it's not really for someone who's squeamish. If you don't like blood, I wouldn't watch it.

I'm out. There's a lot of, a lot of surgeries that are performed without any sort of anesthesia. Just pretty brutal. But it's, it's very good, though. I like it. Anyways, that's Yellow Jackets. That's my review of Yellow Jackets. Jackets. Lord of the Flies was a pretty dope book.

I would like to recreate Lord of the Flies in the Barstall office. I've never read it. Should we just put everyone in Barstle and put them on an island? Yeah, actually we should. We just do surviving Barstow, but like real life? Yeah, like actually. Yeah, a bunch of trail cams. Is Little St. James up for auction?

No, no murder. Oh, wait. Lord of the Fly sounds like a good book. It's a really, it's a great, like, you've never read Lord of the Flies? No. You went to every movie, but I saw. I did go to an all-girls cat. Is it, I mean, is it something that you read in high school?

Mm-hmm. Then I wouldn't have read it. Like, this wouldn't have been a book that would have come across me. All right. Well, let's watch Ready Player 1, bro. We will watch Ready Player 1. I'll clear my schedule. Billy's clearing his schedule.

All right, let's get into Big Pharma. Let's talk about Big Pharma because Billy's got all the facts. Well, I think... Ready to unload. Big Pharma, I mean, when you think about Big Pharma, I mean, when you think about Big. Farma, I sort of really got into like a couple of, there's a lot of big pharma conspiracy theories, like some of them being, you know, HIV, AIDS, denialism, you know, old antivax. Like I, I want to talk about, let's not talk about the COVID vaccine and everything. I want to talk about old anti-vacs.

Like where they thought that it was going to give their kids autism. Yeah, like 90s 1.0. Yeah, 98 antivacters. 90s, like OG anti-vaccins. That's Jay Cutler shit. Yeah. I'm a 90s anti-vaxxer. Yeah, like the people, anyway, because it's a lot of cool, I mean, not cool, but just

like interesting, like GMO conspiracies. All right. Let's take it one at a time. So when we talk about big pharma, I think it means something different depending on what country and what type of health care system you grow up in. In the United States, Big Pharma. is like kind of a catch-all just for any drug company out there because we live in a weird society where companies optim they optimize everything for profit even sometimes when your

entire company's line of business actually means that you're going to make more money if people get sicker and die sometimes so people don't trust pharma in this country I think for good reason overall most pharmaceutical large pharmaceutical production companies originally in Germany. Just want to preface. That's where they made pervitin, that meth. That's where they invented methamphetamine, I think. But, yeah, so people don't really trust Big Farm.

Big T, what are your thoughts on, just in general, just baseline on Big Pharma or the health care system in this country? You have to be more specific than that. How do you think that the U.S., how would you compare, I won't even make you compare because I don't know where else you've been. But what's your overall satisfaction with health care in the United States? Scale 1 to 10. 10. You love your health care. I think it's the best system in the world. Okay. No. 10. No. All right. So I don't want to, I don't want to pile on Big T, but like it's pretty objectively not the best. Why? Healthcare system in the world.

Why? Well, because people go bankrupt on a daily basis through no fault of their own, because they have to get medical procedures done. I think that's pretty bad. I think that you're able to get those procedures here, and that's not the case, a lot of places. But there are a lot of other places where you can get all the procedures that you need. But they're literally not allowed to get,

or not able to get those procedures, which is why they're going bankrupt. Sometimes people have to make a decision. What can they afford? People die because they don't get insulin. But like, go try to get a surgery in England. and then tell me what happens. I think that you can.

I think that in a few years. I think the NIH is like if you at, if you did a poll of people in England right now, I think that the approval for NIH is extremely high. Okay, let's let's actually take a step back. We're talking about health care when we're really supposed to be talking about big pharma. Let's talk about the corporate side of everything. We can maybe in another episode against health care systems,

but drug companies for a long time have sort of tried to maybe as we live in a capitalistic society put profits in revenue above actually developing drugs that actually help like for example profit strategy has become above overall wealth and health care for distribution of medicines in the country. A lot of times companies will, they'll invent a problem. And then they'll convince everybody that they have that problem now. And only their drug can solve whatever that problem is. Like in the U.S. is one of the only countries where you can advertise different medications, be it antidepressants, sleep medication, all sorts of stuff. There's a lot of... Real quick, there's a big point. Like, the more infuriating part is it's tied to what both y'all just said, is that.

The overwhelming majority of, I don't say, majority of pharmaceutical companies spend more money on marketing than they do research and development. And that's fucking insane, though. I remember when I was in college, I went to James Madison, which is, you know, not a small school, but it's not like a massive school.

But one of their biggest departments that they had, one of the biggest majors there was pharmaceutical sales. you could major in becoming a pharmaceutical salesperson. And if you took one look at that class, it was all the most attractive women that I have ever seen. Like it was crazy. You walk past that wing of the ISAT building and it was just nothing but super attractive girls

that were learning how to get their way into doctor's offices. And I know actually a few people that ended up becoming pharmaceutical reps there and they get like $80,000 a year to buy clothes. It's just get your foot in the door, work with a doctor. There's an endemic of doctors having affairs with pharmaceutical reps. Oh, yeah. That's like that is, I've heard about several instances of that. I was actually, I was talking to Big Cat about it the other week because we were talking about

the series Dope Sick, which is really good. I would recommend watching it. But he was saying, because I was telling him about my experience when it was just, you know, the entire major was just hot chicks. It was like, are you a hot chick? Good, you're going to be a pharmaceutical sales rep. And Big Cat was saying that one of the jobs that he applied for out of college was to become a sales rep for one of these companies.

And he made it to like the last round and they were like, hey, here's the deal. Unless you're a very attractive woman or you played Division I football at a big school, then we're probably not going to hire you because those are the only people that can get to talk to doctors. Because you can be like, hey, I played linebacker at Notre Dame. And they'll be like, oh, cool, you want to talk? like that's that's kind of how it works huh do you think nowadays there's more hot dudes getting through in these sectors i hope so i think there's actually more female doctors graduating nowadays yeah actually women in general have just been killing it and getting degrees

dudes are really slacking yeah women shout out women billy just shout out women no it's been translating i read this article about how there's so many women with college degrees in new york city and there's so little men, like, like the ratio in New York City of men with college degrees to females with college degrees is so disparity, there's such a disparity that it's causing a serious problem in the

dating scene. Wow. Yeah. Oh. Women don't want to be out there slumming. That's the issue. Yeah. Got it. It's also, I feel like New York City has way more women than guys. That's like a, let me look at the despair. If only there's a world.

I think it's sex in the city. I think that it was like recruiting to get people there should be an app that tells you it's 53% female in new york city hmm so not like a crazy anyway but yeah so hot dudes hot dudes that's a growth market yeah if you're a hot dude out there and you want to you want to get a high paying job the hot dudes have been put down for so long in america it's time that they get up yeah and that's the thing is like hot dudes be up being um being a pharmaceutical sales rep you get paid a good amount of money coming right out of college. Well, this is what happened with another topic that we could peruse is opioids.

The opioid crisis, Purdue Pharma, the Sackler family. I mean, Donnie was read about the Sackler family. I think he actually probably had some great stuff to say about it. Basically, the developments of drugs, OxyContin and its affiliates and stuff like that, basically they won. I mean, the opioid crisis in this country is terrible. What's happened? Basically, opioids were being pushed like Advil.

under these 12-hour pain. Okay, let's, let's, let's sell down, get back to the basics. It all started when Purdue Pharma developed the drug, OxyConn. He worked himself over it. Which was it, yeah. Yeah, nobody else was talking. It was just, it was fine. I know, but I'll settle down.

Everybody calm down. It's good. That's good self-regulation by Billy. I want to encourage. Sometimes I feel myself go like Alex Jones, like, oh, my God, they took the drug. And they gave it to all the people in America. they sold them. Yeah, I like it.

But my brain, but like I got to organize my thoughts because I'm here thinking about like, you know, we have a cure for cancer, but they're hiding it. All right. Now you got to dial yourself back in. You're starting to get excited. And AIDS is a real. They've admitted this. Yeah.

I got documents. I got the documents right here. You and it said global either try to get rid of eight billion people. Purdue Pharma. All right. So Purdue Palture. So Purdue Pharma owned by the Sackler family. Sackler family is one of the biggest.

philanthropist families in the world. It's a bunch of rich, rich people that own this company privately. So a lot of people think that Purdue Pharma, like a lot of the other pharma companies, is a company that you can buy and trade on stock exchanges. You can't. It's privately held, which means that they're able to keep a lot of things secret. So they wanted to unveil a new pain medicine because they, obviously, there were some addiction issues around percocet, Vicodin.

It was completely marketed as synthetic morphine that did not have the same addictive properties as actual, you know, natural, I guess, natural opioids. Yeah, more natural, like morphine, heroin, obviously, very addictive. So, Percocets are also addictive. Basically, they went to doctors. And this is why, honestly, I have a problem with, you know, we can get this later, but trusting the science because a lot of these drugs that are developed and, you know, it's not like you have a bunch of doctors basically be like, oh, this is, this is the

correct treatment, but you have companies lobbying, salespeople taking these drugs to doctors and being like, oh, yeah, use this new drug. There's kickbacks. If you, you know, prescribe this much of the drug, you can get this. You can get a trip to, you know, there's a lot of kickbacks. to these drug salespeople. They promise if you start prescribing this much of the drug, you get kicked back. The salespeople, they work on commission, like sales in almost every other industry. So it's natural that anybody that's a salesperson is going to hear the messages from their manager, here are the benefits of why you should be selling more of this.

And they're just going to repeat that to the doctors because they're not pharmaceutical salespeople are not doctors. They're not medically trained. They probably have a little bit of biology of their background, but they definitely don't, they're not medical doctors. So they'll just take, they'll get rabid ears and hear the best thing that their manager tells them, they'll take that straight up to the doctor and pair those talking points. But nobody is really doing deep fact checking on any of the stats that they're bringing up or any of the studies.

It's basically Billy walking into your office and be like, there's this new study out that just says that this pain medicine kicks ass. But exactly. But then we find out that a lot of these opioids, even if you don't have an addictive personality, like I wrote a bunch of articles, a bunch of papers on this in college. And basically, opioids had the ability to take people who had never touched a drug in their life, priests, teachers, grandmothers, people who never had any sort of history of substance abuse and literally rewired their dopamine reward system and psychological affinity to. substance seeking and cause them to become addicts because of how the drug worked. This thing took literal saints, like priests and people who never even touched alcohol, smoked or anything, totally good people and turned them into absolute junkies. Hold on, hold on, no, no.

Addicted people who are addicted to drugs, doesn't mean bad. Right. You said people who were good. But that causes, there's now a sympathy. for these opioid users who are addicted because they started from a place where be it an 18 year old who tore their ACL in football,

high school kid gets prescribed opioids and totally derails their whole life. That's the type of stuff you're dealing with. Yeah, but I mean, there's... But there's... I mean, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. I was going to go off into another 10th. I agree with what Aryan's saying

that like somebody being addicted to drugs doesn't mean that they're a bad person. Right. It doesn't mean that necessarily they're to blame for anything sometimes the circumstances put them in that situation. I do think that there is a difference, though, when someone goes to see their doctor and their doctor prescribes them something, you're supposed to be able to trust your doctor and you're supposed to think that your doctor's going to do something that's in your best interest.

And so when a doctor gives you something that's actually poison and you get into an addiction problem that way, I think that that it touches people that maybe would not necessarily be touched by addiction if they weren't put in that situation, which is why it's become such a widespread issue with the opioids because I think society has a tendency to write off people that get addicted to whether it be alcohol or drugs on their own. But it kind of brings the issue of addiction to more of a front of your mind if it's happening to people that got it from their doctor.

The narrative was always that everyone who's, using drugs and dying of opioid overdoses somehow deserved it by some means. That was the overall narrative that was being pushed. But really, if you look at the numbers, people who are getting addicted to opioids, the only crime was listening to their doctor.

And then they got involved in withdrawal symptoms within after one or two doses of the drug caused them to want to take more. Which the speed in which their body became acclimated and addicted to physically, addicted to the substance was so fast and basically created addicts out of people who had were nowhere close to being what the narrative supposed drug addicts opioid addicts were yeah and the reason why I don't really like the premise is because um there's a lot of class

underline class um classism in what you're saying and so because you keep saying and I'm not saying this is you right this is society right and so the the net you can keep saying the narrative of what drug addicts are supposed to look like or supposed. And the reason why the opioid epidemic has been addressed or at least acknowledged way faster and dealt with an entirely different way is because of the class that it is affecting. It's affecting people who wouldn't, you wouldn't normally follow in it, which is higher class people, the priests, the teachers, the people who don't necessarily look like they're supposed to be doing drugs, which is an entirely different conversation. But it's an important point to have my home.

that a lot of these um uh pharmaceutical companies um uh are actually fuck i totally lost my point right that god damn it CT is starting to kick in go ahead bro no you're good um i think that uh like the way that it was introduced to the market was just like so it was it makes me pretty mad because like when they when they introduce oxycodone they sent it to like the poorest places in america that's what i was trying that was my part's trying to get down they they a hundred percent have you know risk calculators and uh and insurance adjusters that help them make these decisions of where they're where they're going to be trying out new products to make sure that they minimize their risk of any lawsuits because if you get a bunch of poor people

addicted and some people die the chances of them being able to hire a good lawyer and sue you and make money off you and ruin your business very very low there's a reason why they're not you know they're not trying out these drugs in lower manhattan you know they're trying them out in the poorest cities in west virginia and kentucky and because they know that they can get away with it and to a large degree they have so they they like destroyed a lot of apalachia like absolutely crushed it's there's so many places in western virginia in west virginia that you just you don't want to be anymore it's just depressing as hell walking around because the addiction is just taken over the entire community and the thing is these incentives that the drug companies

put out in these salespeople you know went to doctor and said if you prescribe this pill this much you can get this much kickbacks be it cash incentives trip incentives i think cars were involved like almost you know like but for example there was a pharmacy called tug valley pharmacy in west virginia that was prescribing thousands of thousands almost millions of opioids a day yeah and the doctor was just writing just using his prescription pad and writing off prescriptions and was doing it so much that he was getting insane amount of kickbacks and it incentivized the doctors to disseminate these pills into these neighborhoods and you had places people rolling up day after day drive through pharmacies

of people picking up pills. I have a question. Two. One, do doctors still get kickbacks now for prescribing drugs? I'm pretty sure it's illegal to get kickbacks for prescribing drugs. I think that's something that they...

That just seems so bad. There are other ways that you can get around it. So you can bring doctors in on speaking tours and all the speaking locations that they go to just happen to be in really nice vacation destinations.

Oh. And then they get, you know, their trips paid for, things like that. Through a drug company? Yeah, golf weekends at our expense, things like that. So incentives, but not like a kickback of sales. Not a kickback in terms of sales. You're not, you can't do that, but they find their ways around it sometimes. And then this might be, this might be dumb, but when the, when this was all happening

like in the Appalachia region, do. Did doctors know, I mean, obviously, yeah, but like, did doctors know, like, the grip that this could have on people? I think some of them probably did. Some of them had an idea about it because it was still an opioid, and percocet, Vicodin, morphine, all the stuff that they had been prescribing the past. They knew that that was addictive. I mean, they know that's addictive.

This was labeled as being not as addictive, but I think they probably had, some of them had some idea. Some of them probably didn't and fell for it. But, you know, I know we've talked about it on this show a little bit, but. if you've ever been prescribed an opiate for pain, if you had a surgery or something like that. Like morphine or something? It feels good. It feels really good to take it.

I would say, didn't Aryan say like his favorite feeling of all times being on morphine? Yeah. Yeah. You'd say that. Yeah. I mean, it hits every pleasure receptor that you have. I say, I've never, like, taken any of them. Yeah.

I always, like, I try not to take them. Yeah. But if I'd get them prescribed, I'll be like, okay, this will be fun for a couple nights. but um and i mean like if you're recovering like when i was recovered from kidney stones they gave me it was like some week it was a weak version of percocet i forget the milligrams but i was like okay well i guess i'm going to be feeling good for the next like 18 hours as they take these drugs yeah i don't advocate people yeah i don't advocate people take pain pills at all but from my perspective every time i've ever had a surgery or anything like that i've always gone out with the

intent like after this not you cannot take this shit no more like because it is like it feels it feels amazing it's euphoria and a little pill it's euphoria and a little shot it is what it is but you i think i always just set my intentions like i'm not going to i'm not going to take these after this yeah luckily it's worked out but i think everybody everybody's different everybody's brain chemistry is wrapped up different and there's and this is why i'm quick to call it just kind of reverse the narrative of people that are bad people that get addicted because literally your brain chemistry is different. And so if you get hooked on some of this stuff,

you literally, your body goes through withdraws, starts to shake, start to sweat, like shit like that. It works, you can't control that. And it's a real thing, which is why I used to not think that way about addiction until I started like reading up on it. It's just years ago and the people that are involved and the people that affects, It's like a real, it's like a mental hurdle that people really struggle with.

And physical, too. You're right. Like, you feel like you're going to die when you're coming down off it. I think alcohol, you can actually die from withdrawals from alcohol. If you try to just, like, go completely cold turkey, that can be really bad for you. Most hard drugs. Most hard drugs, like you have to get weaned off. Yeah, benzos, for sure.

If you're addicted to benzos, you have to wean yourself off those because you can very easily have a seizure and die. if you're coming down off that but yeah um so you know there was um there were years and years and years when they even after they introduced some of these powerful painkillers that they knew that they were addictive a hundred percent no they knew that people were dying from at a crazy rate but they just kept selling them and even worse they kept selling more of them and then when they couldn't get the pills anymore they switched to street heroin which is caused so many overdoses because that stuff's unregulated, there's no consistency with the product

so people So I feel like I feel like we're all in agreement Most people should probably like know That the Sackler family are pieces of shit That killed yeah You know tens of thousands of people And the worst thing is like Johnson Johnson

Just had a settlement with New York State Over their opioid production and dissemination And they got sued and they paid about like I think 250 million But that's just basically Almost like a couple of cost of doing business when you had billions of dollars of revenue.

All right. Here's a stupid question. Big T, maybe you can help me understand this. But if companies are getting investigated by the federal government for doing things like false advertising, selling dangerous drugs that kill tens of thousands of people, if you're getting investigated by the government and you are in a position where you're probably going to be found guilty if it goes to trial, why are you allowed to just pay the government at $200 million and just be like, hey, okay, we're done here, right?

What's the difference between that and just bribing somebody for getting away with murder? First of all, I'd like to revise my answer to your previous question. I think I'd say I'm an eight. Okay, you're an eight out of ten. What are you, wait, there's got to be some specific thing that you're, there's some specific inconvenience that you've had that brought you down to an eight. No, I think it's just like, I think people will hear that and be like, oh, that's what I do think. I do think, I don't think there's a much better way to have a health care system than what we have.

I think there's a reason the best doctors are here and the ones who aren't come here. I think there's a reason that we have, you know, some of the best medical research in the world and all sorts of shit like that. But there are certainly things that, you know, suck. Like, I think a lot of the stuff we're talking about today and shit like that. So what was your, what was this question about bribing? Yeah, like, how, how can you all? I always hear about companies being able to pay the government $100 million because they're getting investigated for their role and, you know, the addictions of six figures worth of people and having a bunch of them die. And if you're getting investigated for committing crimes, how are you able to just straight up pay them money and then it goes away and nobody ever has to go to jail?

I have no idea. I don't know why. Why does that fall on me? I'm just curious because that's part of the health care system in this country. where if you fuck up and you get a bunch of people addicted to it and kill some of them, you can just pay money and it goes away. I feel like that's not a great way to set it up. Do you want people to go to jail, I guess? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. I mean, I'm not opposed to that. I don't know what you want my answer to be. I don't care. Okay. If you're found directly responsible for like killing people, then yeah, you should go jail. I also think that, I don't know, we can talk for ever,

probably about opioids because that is a pretty big problem. But there's other parts of big pharma that we can get into a little bit. I actually think that sleeping pills are a conversation that we as Americans need to have along the lines of the opiate epidemic. It's not killing as many people, obviously. But a lot of sleeping pills are marketed as not being addictive. And they 100% are very addictive. And people like taking sleeping pills and getting up and driving and, like, it'll fuck you

up. If you stay on Ambien for a long time, I personally know people that have developed bad Ambien problems and they're not the same. Like it affects your brain. It affects your entire life once you get hooked on that. Even in waking hours? Yeah, because sometimes you'll take it and when you wake up, the ambient's still in your system. And so sometimes the first couple hours of your day, just from my personal experience, I don't think I've ever taken Ambien, but I did take Zoloft. I took half a pill and I took it at like I don't know 10 o'clock at night woke up at around 8 o'clock in the morning didn't feel like myself until about 1 o'clock in the afternoon

and I tried it again just taking half one same feeling I was like this sucks I don't like this but I do know people that are taking Ambien where you can tell that for the first half of their day they're still fucked up melatonin's also sneaky extremely addictive is it well because it's a hormone it shuts down your own production your own melatonin supplies so then if you take melatonin every night for like a year

and then you stop taking it your body doesn't have that same it's a shutdown it's like testosterone I don't know that because I've taken melatonin a couple times over the last month if you take it like off and on then you're fine but if you take it consistently your body won't know how to produce it itself anymore and then you won't be able to sleep by yourself I noticed that when I wake up after I've taken melatonin my breath stinks really bad I don't know yeah I just got fucked up breath

Yeah, so it says melatonin has shown no addictive properties, but Not addictive, but taking too much can decrease the body's natural production and make it rely on getting melatonin from supplements instead of making it so on it. That's a tough, that's a tough argument for Billy's supplement gang. What the depleting? Oh, I didn't give him melatonin. Well, no, but if you give him other things that his body can produce naturally. Well, I didn't.

I gave him only. So what you, yeah, what you probably need to stop taking is tribulous, terrestress, which is a sort of it's a shrub found in Siberia that's supposed to increase your testosterone Why am I eating a Siberian shrub? Bro, I just got my shipment in. What the fuck? Well, it works.

I mean, anything that's, anyway, but yeah, what's everyone's favorite sleeping concoction of like over-the-counter things? Or my favorite sleeping concoction. I like, I like sleeping time tea. Yeah, sleepy time tea.

I like I've only taken Melaton I've never taken anything else Like a nice like Z-Quil or NyQuil Yeah There's a concoction What's the concoction you're thinking of

Well the thing is like When I really need a good night's sleep Like preface this with you don't Think that anybody else should do this Oh yeah You just said a sleep time concoction Which means you're mixing a whole body like You know when you like

Billy's making sleep lean When I don't sleep like several nights in a row Like let's say like finals and it's like you're finally done and you've been up late studying all the time and you really need to get a good late sleep but you're like your mind's racing because you haven't slept well and you're like it's almost hard for you to sleep because you're overtired melatonin heavy CBD and then like a little bit of NyQuil and you just go out edible edibles always do the trick for me too well for people who marijuana makes them

go crazy or people who are just following the law who just like tweaked out Yeah. Yeah, I like warm milk, Sleepy Time Tea. Sleepy Time Tea, which has a warm milk. Yeah, warm milk, little warm milk. Sleepy Time tea has Valerian root in it. And Valerian root is something that people use to make tea and other things. Like it's an herbal supplement.

It's also got the core ingredient of Valium in it, which is where the root of Valerian. Well, Valium is the synthetic concentrated. version like valerian root they took the chemical in it and then made synthetic and then just gave a huge dosage yeah that's what Valium is so if you're if you drink a shitload of Sleepy Time Tea you're basically on Valium

also sneaky you know it's actually way more addicted than people think crate them is it that's we need to get KB to talk about that KB got addicted to crate him did he really? He did I yeah he talked about it and he was like it's because it's what people who are addicted to

did a heroin take to get off heroin. KB just started taking it in massive quantities and would just get like rage cage and go crazy. Is that what's in Bison? No, that's a different thing. He just also likes bison. They were going crazy about bison recently. Yeah, no, but he will go to like, well, if he's not in New York,

he'll go to gas stations or you can go to like CBD stores and they sell crate them and he would go and usually someone will take a vial over like a week and a half, he would just take a vial all at once. Why was he doing this? So I took Kratum over the summer one time at the beach house. I got one of the shots of it, and I had half one. And I was like, well, I'm not doing this again because it feels like you're on an opiate.

It really does. Like you get the exact same body feeling. I was just saying, we can ask KB why he did it, but yeah, no, it's a synthetic heroin, basically. mm-hmm well it's not synthetic or not synthetic um what's that alternative alternative it's from a plant that's closely related to coffee yeah so it's got stimulant properties in it too yeah yeah because kb would talk about how you just get so irritate like irritable and mad and like go crazy at people after he took it yeah what the hell why i can go get him and ask no it's okay don't want to bring

him in here talks about it's i don't know if he's okay but you think you think clatum is addictive Billy? Yeah, I've actually heard of people who had to go like into treatment for it because they sell it like I know of basically two people and the third person who told me a story. So that is my

anecdotal evidence. Just getting it out there. All right, three people, three people. Three people. Three people have told Billy that's super addictive. Let's talk about the anti-vax stuff, the old school anti-vaks. Old school anti-vax. Yeah. Actual anti-vax. Actual anti-vax.

So is this one. Look out of here. What do you mean? So is COVID misinformation. Well, but people have taken that word to mean like, like I think of there are people who would call me someone who got vaccinated, but is like, I don't think the government should mandate it. I think people, there are people who would say that's being an anti-vaxxer now. I think that's it is. Yeah.

Okay, that's insane. It's not insane. Someone who got vaccinated and is like, you should do what you want. That's being an anti-vacciner. Yes. Okay. That's that's the that's the craziest thing you've ever said on this show. That's wow. Told you morphine is amazing. I'm sure I I believe you. Are you? So are you against people getting vaccinated? Let's let's let's know I got vaccinated. I think everyone should do whatever they want. Let's give some background. Billy on old school anti-vax old school like 90s anti-vax. Wait, hold on. Let us figure let us let us let us finish man. I want to hear. I

I'm genuine. Why is that anti-vax? Because what the health experts are recommending is that in order to congregate in large areas, it is the safest to be vaccinated. Right. And I did that. And I think everyone who wants to do that should do that. And if you have a reservation about it, which I think are fairly founded, given the fact that we have however many tens of millions of people vaccinated and COVID's still spreading like wildfire. then you shouldn't the government shouldn't mandate you to do that it's not founded right that's why is it you'd have to you'd have to explain why it's because because they said for many months

that a breakthrough infection was incredibly rare and it turns out that's not true because that you're not taking into count variance well sure I am I mean that that's what happened there are variants and that's why people got it well that's that's why that's why it's not as effectiveness because it's a new variant. Okay. It's still COVID. I think that people should just always we should do a better job of remembering like nobody knows what the fuck we're doing with this shit. This is all brand new, right? Like there's certain. I don't think that I don't think that's fair though. I don't think that's fair to say because there are people who know what they're doing. There's a thousand percent. I think I think the issue is trying to educate a public about

science on the goal is the issue. Like explaining the big T that it's not. It's not. not this COVID originally is not the same thing. It's in the same family, but it's not the same thing. It has, it has different parts to it, right? But educating people on the process of that is like, so, so at the beginning of the pandemic when they say, um, we don't need masks versus we do need masks or this, this amount of days versus this amount of days. As the data gets collected, that's how, that's how science works. As the data gets collected, the most rational thing to do is to go with what the data is telling you, right? My question is, honestly, this is my question. So,

the Iraq war 9-11 could you see that the military industrial complex had influence on the decision making back then yes COVID-19 the virus is real

it's here does no one think by that logic that a pharmaceutical industrial complex might be having influence on laws and actions being happening that's I mean don't you think there might be some sort of bridge of not directly but corporate actors

trying to capitalize on the pandemic in having sort of yeah i would i would agree i would agree with you to an extent where yes they would right but the difference is all of our intelligence agencies we're telling us that there was no weapons of mass destruction right all of our comparatively intelligent agencies which are scientists are saying, this needs to happen. This is the safest way to do this. That's the difference. Yeah, I think that when it comes to COVID,

it was definitely like a much more clear and present danger. And most people could figure that out based on, you know, tens of thousands of people dying in New York City in the first month or whatever. But at the time with Iraq where it's like, I don't think anybody was walking down the street, like looking over their shoulder for Saddam Hussein, like, oh, fuck, you might be here. Might be here right now.

I do think that it's healthy to be skeptical about big pharmaceutical companies. And yeah, like, sure, scientists were probably, you know, saying, okay, we can get to work on this vaccine and using existing technology. We can, we can pump something out. I think it's good to celebrate that, but also at the same time, like, be a little bit skeptical about the companies that do end up making, you know, get the biggest contracts out of it and get to sell a lot of their medicine. I think that it's very healthy to be skeptical about the motives of those companies. I think a real issue I have with people who are like super for free markets and pro-capitalism is this is the monster that y'all wanted that created. This is what it creates.

When you have a free market, right, and profit is the major motive. This is the byproduct of that. But this is where actually I do not think. So when looking into this stuff, this is where. where I feel like there was not that the pharmaceutical companies are not operating in a quote unquote free market.

So here's a passage from American Progress.org. Drug companies also benefit from patents, which give them monopoly power for their on patent products. These patents ensure that prices remain high by reducing competition. Drug patents last for 20 years after the filing

date. Pharmaceutical companies have also employed tactics such as evergreen and thickening to prolong a drug's exclusivity. When evergreening, pharmaceutical companies make certain modifications to a drug such as changing its chemical composition slightly or making an external change as minor as adding a stripe to a pill, in order to preserve their patents. A 2018 study in the Journal of Law and the Biosciences found that 70% of the new drug patents award in the past decades went to drugs that already existed. 70% of the nearly 100 best-selling drugs extend their exclusivity protections at least once, and 50% extend

their patents more than once. The second tactic, thicketing, involves flooding the U.S. patent and trademark offices in the courts with excessive patents and applications make it difficult for competing firms to secure patents. These tactics help preserve pharmaceutical companies monopolies, ensure that drug prices remain uncompetitive and thus less affordable for everyday Americans. The reason I bring this up is, let's say the only way anyone was going to make money was with new technology. And what we've seen is these vaccines use new technology MRN.A. Now, I'm just questioning this.

Do you think that this was because of the ease and efficiency and that it was totally going to be effective and it was a revolutionary technology that was actually going to stop the pandemic? Or do you think they rolled these out because they were the most profitable and could actually slip in through? a loophole of being an experimental drug. I think that it was a desperate time and we needed something fast. And so you can, in retrospect, look back and point at what motivations could have been happening. We don't really know for sure. But everybody was saying it's going to take like, you know, two to five years to get a

vaccine out. And we're like, well, we don't really have two to five years because we've been locked in our apartments for a week. and we are already going insane. So I'm going to need you to speed that time table up for me a little bit. Shout out Donald Trump, Operation Warp Speed. And you call it the Trump vaccine. Like, he's right when he should, when he's like telling his audience, like, look what we did.

This is amazing. We got it out in eight months when everybody said it would take 15 years. That's not actually what people said. But I'm fine with him saying that. I'm fine with him taking all the credit for it. Well, I think the previous quickest vaccine for a novel. virus was like five years. Yeah, but, but they were saying like, this wasn't a novel virus though, because this was

a SARS type coronavirus, which they had been studying for a while. So they had the building blocks in place. I think when Fauci first said when he was estimating like the amount of time, I think he said like 18 months if we go at warp speed, it ended up taking about like nine months, which is impressive. It's good. But I mean, at the time, I don't think that there was a lot of patience to like, you know, okay, let's open this whole thing up to a RFP and we'll get every pharmaceutical company to propose their timeline and all that. It was like, let's just go pedal to the metal and try to figure this out. I guess a big T, a question I have is if you think it's an insane idea to mandate any kind of, do you think it's insane to mandate any health

regulation? So like any, any vaccination or any mandate for public? you don't think it's um no not if it's something that's like like what like vaccines you have to get to go to school like yeah like polio or anything like that um i mean that's uh yeah that's that's different the the real crux of the real crux of the issue hold on i want to i want to know why real quick why is that different um because i think that for an overwhelming majority of people, COVID is a minor inconvenience, and there's a readily available vaccine

that you can go get for free right now. If you want to do that, more power to you. I did it. I think if you want to do that, that's great. And if you don't, you have the information available to you and you don't have to do that. I also think, that we've just, I think some of the things we're doing right now

in terms of mandating that particular vaccine to go into a restaurant or to go to a baseball game, I find that ridiculous, but there is the angle that if there were compounds that were in circulation already, that patents had run out that may have actually been, an effective way to fight the virus that since zero of since it was in um uh what's the word when it's past its patent date that we just use public domain if it's in public domain no one could

make is that actually the term for i know it is when it comes to copyright yeah but public domain also applies to compound like witty the poo is in public domain right so now a lot of this so there is the idea that there may have been an effort to suppress the uh efficacy of some other treatments because no one could make money off of them. Now, I think I, again, Billy, I think it's always fair to be skeptical about people's motives, especially when there's billions and billions of dollars at stake. I think that's a totally fair thing to do. But I also think that a lot of people are coming from a place of bad faith when they're

trying to find, and poke holes in certain things that we're trying to do as a society because it doesn't line up with what the people that they get their information from are telling them is the real enemy and they have they come at it from a place where they're just looking to fit their narrative from the get-go and I'm the first person that'll say like don't trust the heads of these billion dollar pharmaceutical companies because they don't a lot of times they don't care and somebody's making a lot of money right now selling us cures and selling us vaccines and it's fair to question how they're managing all that stuff and i think i think the frustrating part for me is this is a bipartisan issue like

you'll find people on both sides of the aisle to say yeah the pharmaceutical companies are doing this doing that right but only the i think the only side trying to fight it is is the left they'll say regulate they'll say um uh uh they coming up with different ways to try to disincentivize people to have profit motivating factors in health care. Like that is that is the major issue. Like when you have corporations putting more money into marketing when you do research and development, like that's a telltale sign that we're doing this backwards. Like there's thousands.

I think that's the more frustrating part. Like there's so many good scientists working on this stuff and they're not getting the respect or the voice that they get because they're getting cut down from the overarching pharmaceutical companies and their motives, which we would all agree on. I think the left and the right are hypocritical in different ways when it comes to big pharma. And a lot of times it's just about like whatever is politically convenient.

But yeah, the left does, overall, they try to regulate more. That's kind of what they do. They try to impose more regulations, more government oversight on things. but they also all you have to do is like look at that Stephen Colbert skit that he did six months ago or whatever with the dancing vaccines you remember that

Big Tee love that one oh yeah it was so funny if you're somebody that's on the left peak comedy like at what since when is it your business to like be promoting like big pharmacy going and well they sponsor their shows yeah exactly so like that's it's

that shows me hypocrisy right there which you see from a lot of people when it's just politically convenient. But if you consider yourself to be on the left, you should inherently be distrustful of any of these big corporations. And then the hypocrisy on the right is they just they don't like it because they don't like the vaccine mandates. I don't think because it's an infringement on liberty because there's all sorts of other infringements on liberty that are much, much worse that we deal with every single day. I think they just don't like it because people on the left when COVID started to break out

were pointing out what a shitty job Donald Trump did at first and then it became okay it's anyone that increases anyone that does anything to say that like COVID is a big deal and that we should do more to fight it they're anti-Trump and then those people

became anti those scientists can I ask you a question I'm I genuinely want to know Like, because I'm trying to think of it myself. You wake up on January 11th of 2020 in New York City. Yeah. What is the biggest infringement upon your liberty that is more than what there is right now? Like if you were unvaccinated, you couldn't, you wouldn't supposed to be here.

You couldn't go to a gym, movie theater. Anytime I want to buy a bottle of liquor, I have to show ID. Anytime I want to have a deal. Anytime I want to drink a beer. I have to show ID. Right. Anytime I want to get on a bus and go out of state, I got to show ID. Anytime I want to get on a plane, I got to wait in line, and then I walk through a metal machine that shows everybody my dick.

I would say at most that's the same. I would argue it's lesser. I would actually say like having to show ID every time you want to buy a beer, that's way worse, right? Is it? Yeah. I mean, why do you have to show ID every time? What business is it of the governments if I want to have a drink? Children.

Children? Someone think of the children? How big of a problem is it? How many deaths are there per year from a 12-year-old walking into a liquor store and buying a bottle of whiskey and then drinking it? So I would say at worst, that's the same. And even then, you're not having, you just either are 21 or you aren't. that's not you didn't have to go do something for that deaths from underage but um like even even if it is the the same magnitude it's the same like category of thing is there something else because like

you have to have an ID to drive a car right right so it's just ID to own a car right you have to just register you have to tell the government where your car is okay so so your squabble is with like showing ID to do a bunch of stuff I mean this it's there are a lot of things that you have to deal with that you don't really like with the government. But if you remember what it was like here in March of 2020 with, you know, every, it was like a dead zone. People were dying left and right. You got to,

you got to make a trade at some point where you're like, okay, I don't mind. I'm willing to take an experiment on my own body to try to help out the greater good and to try to limit people from dying. Granted, the vaccine might not be perfect. And it probably was rushed a little bit. bit, but I'm willing to make that decision because I think that, I don't know, we should probably sometimes as a society make an effort to try to have some teamwork. So I find that logic perfectly reasonable. And what I don't understand is why you use the word risk. You were like, I'm willing to

take a risk on my body for in getting a vaccine that might help me. It might have an adverse effect on me. I don't, we don't know. And then that's fine. So you're either, I, you're either taking a risk getting a vaccine or you're like, I'm willing to take my, I feel like I'm a healthy individual. Well, sometimes the government can tell you when to take a risk. So that's just kind of the contract that we have set up because they tell you that you have to take a risk getting the MMR vaccine, which has no percentage. There's no mandate saying get the Vax. They're just saying in certain establishments you can't frequent, right? That's a big difference. Right. I think there are a lot of people who want there to be a government mandate that everyone would have to get the vaccine though. That's your. But I was saying. If you live in a place where, like, I was in Tennessee over Christmas, it's a radically different place.

Nobody's checking a vaccine. Like, and you're like, I feel like I'm a healthy individual. I'd rather just take my risk, you know, if I get COVID, it is what it is. Rather than taking a risk getting a vaccine, I don't see why that's such a, like an unacceptable decision. Because what the argument against that is, is you're not just doing it for you or you're not just doing it to combat you, right? because of the transmittable. Right.

But then if the vaccine works, then people who want to protect themselves get it and then it should work, right? No. See, and I think people that say that have never, may I ask you, have you ever factored in probability to it?

Sure. And how does that, how does, like tell me how that works in your brain. When you hear probability and the vaccine, like how does that work? So I got the vaccine, still got COVID. That happened to a lot.

lot of people that I know. The vaccine did not work for me. Right. No. So I'm, what I'm saying is, uh, why would that, if it didn't even protect me? No, I asked, I asked when I, when you hear probability, how does that factor into a vaccine in your eyes? Like, about probability. I don't, I don't understand your question. Right. All right. So I think people that that say that, they don't really factor in probability, right? And so they'll say the vaccine didn't work, I still got COVID. Well, no, that's not how vaccines work, right? Like, well, that's how they said it worked.

No. I mean, this is not true. So it's true. It is true. It is true. When the vaccine came out, they said breakthrough infections are like almost not existent. That, I mean, that was flagrantly untrue for that very, my question is true. My question is, my question is, who is determining the treatment, the,

the pharmaceutical companies and not in maybe doctors who work for them or is there any like main place that's devoid of any sort of influence who's actually trying to make there never there never is going to be that place because dirty dirty secret is we're all humans and we're all fucked up and everyone's got their motivations by them so there'll never be a completely neutral That's why the subject of peer review is so important because you're crowdsourcing, your information to other qualified people. So you would think that if you take 10,000 doctors that are medically trained, the individual biases of certain doctors would kind of come out in the wash and you look at what the majority of them are saying. So that's why that's so important. Because you're never going to have like a board of five people that are going to be able to be the.

end-all-be-all of like the science god so this is where i think capitalism may impede health care because for example a place like let's hypothetically cuba which is actually known to have a very good health care system they send their doctors around the world i'm sounding so commie right now yeah you are yeah huge commie right now pinko football but have you heard of what how are they treating covid that's a good question i haven't let me let me look into that Much about, but Big T, it's, it's like commonly known that Cuba has a pretty good health care system. I don't know enough about that. And education, yeah.

And they're right off the coast of Florida, probably good weather. Yeah. But I think in general, like when you talk, well, Billy's looking that up. I think when you, Big Tee, what I was referring to is when you talk about probability and factoring that into the science of it, it's, okay, the vaccine works for certain variance at a certain percentage, right? And so if seven out of 10 of us get it, right, it'll protect seven out of ten of us in a way. But three of us, it won't, right? You're lowering the possibility of transmission and you're lowering the probability that it spreads. You're not, it's not, you don't deal in 100% absolutes when you're talking with, especially

with vaccines, right? You never are. I'm talking about the vaccines that they vaccinate kids before schools, not the, not the COVID. So I'm talking about MMR, all of that. None of it is absolute, but you're dealing in the probability. And over time, those 70 percentage, there's more people getting those, the larger majority. That's, I think, and that's the issue, like when you're educating people about science in real time, that stuff has to be looked up and reviewed on top of the COVID stuff on time.

So you have all this information. People are just saying, what do I do, right? And this isn't working. It is or it isn't working. And you're never dealing the black and white when you talk about science. You just can't. One thing that a writer Stephen Novella writes that the pharmaceutical industry has a number of aspects with justified and justly deserve criticism. The demonization of it is both cynical and intellectually lazy.

He goes on to consider that overblown attacks on Big Pharma actually let the pharmaceutical industry off the hook since they distract from and tarnish more considered criticisms. What would be those more considered criticisms? I actually, I think this applies entirely to this vaccine stuff, because basically you had a movement, which was crackpot from its origins of the anti-vax movement in the 90s, claiming that vaccines caused autism, caused birth defects and all sorts of stuff. Which were all basically based around one study by a guy that admitted he fucked it up. Yeah. And then. So I don't think you ever admitted it per se. But I think that sort of, and that sort of falls under this idea of, you know, being against the vaccine as Crockpot is like, you know, totally tinfoil hat has actually not allowed us to actually look deeper at these vaccines and sort of be a little more, have constructive criticism.

It's totally, I don't. Constructive criticism is fine, I think. I don't think anyone's arguing against constructive criticisms. I think we're just saying, like, it should probably be done by, by scientists who are studying it as the data comes in, right? Like, I have no problem with criticizing the vaccine if it's warranted. And I think there's a thing is like, like, there's mad publications that you can go read, right, that are peer reviewed. Like, go criticize that. Like, the, the Israel study with 600,000 patients, the study in India, like all of these studies that, that, that, that, And this is why people are so confident in saying that it's an effective vaccine is because of all of these studies.

Like, people are, they use a lot of anecdotes. Well, I got it. And I did this, not did that. And that's just not, it's just not rational. And I guess this is frustrating. It's just not a rational way to be. Like, the best way we can do is giving the data given to us, make an informed decision off of that.

There are a lot of people that, that are saying natural immunity. is better than the immunity that you get from vaccine it lasts longer, you get more antibodies in certain situations, which like I understand if those are the facts and I've seen some studies that say that like natural immunity might be better if you currently have the natural immunity in your body. But then like what are they saying that you should be doing? Just like contracting COVID once every six months and that that's like just go hang out with somebody that's got COVID and then you'll get the natural immunity read up because that that to me seems like it's definitely not

a sustainable solution to the problem because I'm probably in a situation right now where I don't have the booster but I just got COVID twice I'm probably few my body probably has a lot of antibodies in it right now. Oh yeah and you probably I would think but I don't want

to go out and like my plan is not to go get COVID in May and then I'll be fine for the summer but that's but the thing is with viruses we sometimes for example the cold we sometimes catch a virus and because we have antibodies

we don't even really catch it we just re-up our antibodies because we're exposed to a little bit of viral load then we kill it no symptoms no nothing and it goes away and that's your catching it again that would be awesome if that's the case but I don't know if do we know that for sure that that's how this works

and if so like how long how much exposure do you have to have to it also you know what pisses me off and this is like this is totally like meathead I hate how when people get sick nowadays we have to all act like oh my god you have like

like healthy ass fucking men are getting COVID no offense PFT but like we're in group chats and it's like oh no I'm so sorry I'm so sorry you're sick but it's like when the fuck did people like grown ass men getting sick become like oh like I don't think

I don't think people are necessarily it's just like why are you treating it like something like really bad happen Like get your fucking nut sack out Yeah I'm like like It's got like this I hate this shit Oh you got COVID

I'm thinking back to when I got sick And I think all I got like In our group chat I'm pretty sure Big Cat was just one time like Hey PFT how are you feeling And I was like Kick my ass a little bit but I'm okay But dude is that what you consider like

Oh no no no It's like everyone just like like like Drew like oh my God I'm so sorry you got COVID Like oh my God I'm like everyone's fucking getting it everyone like no one's yes there are people at risk who are dying but like when your buddy gets COVID it's not like a fucking like it's everyone's acting like so like soft about it

I think a lot of what really like some people's buddies get COVID and they fucking die. Yeah but like but you don't know how it's going to affect but buddy as in like someone your age like your friend your compete someone who's showing mild symptoms. 35 somebody somebody my eyes get it I'm tapping in to see how they're doing, though. I think, I think, I think it's kind of soft. Billy's like a high school football coach.

No, I think it, I think it's soft. Rubs some of your lungs. Arian, if you, if you caught, if you caught COVID and you were like sick,

like I would not really baby you about it. I'd be like, but everyone's like, but everyone's like, no, like, oh, dude, you're sick.

I'm like, yeah, like I'm sick. Like, you just deal with it. Like, that was our mentality. Like, it's,

so, so, so hold on, you're, you're, your proposition is when somebody gets sick but yo man the fuck up dog yeah how many times how many times did you go to school with the runny nose go to school like a little sick like do you think people are are showing i would say sympathy because it it COVID is different than other sicknesses

we've dealt with because when when you bro when my buddy got mono right and mono like hits you pretty fucking hard like yes it may not kill you because it usually hits teenagers pretty big distinction Yeah, like, you know, swollen your fucking spleen swells or whatever. Like, we weren't like all like, oh, man, are you like, like, like being soft about it. Yeah, but it's like I hate this whole like if someone, it's like grown ass men who are like or healthy like able body men are getting COVID. We're acting like, oh my God, are you okay? I also think though it COVID is different. COVID is different than other sicknesses.

It's different than a lot of things. Is it? No, no, no. Wow. Hold on. fucking tough, because it puts, it puts, it's just pissing me off that like, because I look like an asshole when like someone gets COVID and some like someone's like, oh man, like I hope you're okay.

Like, hold on. And I'm like, and I said like, yo, dude, like what like, and I'm like, I say something that seems totally insensitive, but then like I'm the only one who's like, but I feel like I'm a crazy person. COVID puts, COVID puts more of like a pause and you're like, you have to literally like become a shut in for however many days the CDC recommends at this point. So I think it's also more of like an inconsistent. convenience thing like holy shit like it's when you get a cold you're like oh whatever when you get

covid it's like fuck i have to then like go into quarantine like that's that's more what i would say like oh that sucks like when people were getting it after santa con like and they couldn't go spend time with their families for christmas in fact like in fear they would kill their grandma like that's what you would say like oh my god i'm so sorry like that sucks it's more of the like if you're healthy if it's a billy football getting covid i'm not going to be like oh my god billy i'm so sorry that you're sick it's going to be like oh that sucks that you have to like put a pause in your life for like a week or a week and a half Billy's that's inconvenient Billy's basically saying fellas is it gay to see if your friend has a fever be honest who's you're really ask another man how he was feeling really I just I just think that

anyway I feel like what's wrong with empathy Billy explain no but it's just like it's just like I'm saying what's wrong with empathy. What's wrong with? I just think that it's a total, like, stuff that we're just getting softer, as a nation. You're going to ask another dude about his throat? I just agree. Pause. I think we're getting

stronger, man. I think there's strength and vulnerability. I think there's strength in empathy. I also agree there's strength of vulnerability, but at some point they're like, you have to have a little bit of grit about it. I think Billy's just annoyed that he hasn't been able to bust his friends balls as much as either that or he got

like, somebody got mad at him for busting balls too quick. Somebody had like a 140 degree fever. It was like Dillian. It's here, there's something going on. It's just,

what it is. I don't know. I just think that like, you know, all right. All right. Let's dial it back. Bring it back to,

sorry, 90s vaccine. 90s. Yeah. OGA. OG. Oh, that really took a while.

Also, the cancer, the whole idea that Big Pharma has a has a cure for cancer and they're just keeping it from us. in that big, basically the big,

the original big pharma conspiracy theory is that there's a cabal of people trying to keep cancer going so people die, control the population. I got a question, yada, yada, yada. What's a cabal? I mean, I know how people use it, but like, what, what's the difference

between a cabal, a council? Let's look at what's the OG cabal? O.G. Cabal. A secret meeting? Is it just like one of those collective nouns that we use This is I would say like a murder of pros. Political clique or faction. Where's it come from?

A cabal of globalists. A small group of plotters, secret plotters against a government or person and authority. So it has to do it. So they're plotting against authority. Yeah. So it's not like a group of people who are an authority. Not from this definition. Okay.

it's it's Latin what's a cabal when you think cabal a cabal like an evil group of people yeah like maybe some robes like the alumni like uh what's the picture of like some robes yeah robes but he made masks oh I was thinking like suits like black suit black tie oh really maybe but maybe like a half mask on okay I just Google yeah cabal images like squid games dudes and a squid game yeah upstairs yeah 100 cent All right, so yeah, sorry. The original conspiracy was they thought that a cabal of globalists were withholding cures for cancer to limit population growth. I got a buddy that thinks that to his day. Here's the thing, though, about that. If you actually have a cure for cancer, you are going to be the richest person in the world. Right?

You could sell, you would sell that to everybody. Every like school nurse would have your prescription in her, everybody would have your pills like in their desk drawer. It would be the highest selling pills of all time maybe besides like, I don't know, Tylenol or aspirin. If you had the ability to cure all cancer, that seems to me like you would take advantage of that and make a ton of money. And then the pharmaceutical companies could then focus their efforts on developing drugs

to rid the world of heart disease or strokes or things like that. So you can find other ways to sell people more drugs. I just don't understand why you would hold out that cure. Maybe it's big, big funeral home. There you go. Here's a philosophical. I want everybody to answer.

I want everybody to answer. If you figured out the cure to cancer, would you sell it or would you give it away for free? well there's the 20 years you get the patent no I'm just how much money are we talking about here yeah I need a price tag it's your price tag is you you figure it out you can either sell it for you whatever your price

do you want to put a flat billion dollars on it what if I leased it out well this is sure Kelly like you can put it on pay me pay me lay away and give me a percentage each month no I mean I give it away yeah fuck it PFT you get away Billy what you're done I mean I win Martin

Shrekli with the hepatitis C drug does it do upmarket it so much made super expensive but I would I mean there's life's like when people do healthcare consulting they solve this exact problem

of how much you should sell the drug for and whatever you should sell the drug for I'd sell the drug for I would not make it way too high or way too low Also selling it, because you want to make it, you want to make it so people are not like, oh, do I pay? Like you want, there is the free market like, hmm, what's better? Like not spending a million dollars or like grandma dying, you know, like, because then people at some point would be like, this is way too expensive. I, I like honestly like only the Uber wealthy could afford it.

Yeah, you want to make it accessible, a price that is accessible to all. So you're selling, I got you. Big T, what's you doing? Um, I mean, probably selling it. Took a lot of money to develop that. Definitely not losing money on it. Well, I mean, an insurance should cover it. That's the question is like when you say sell it.

Like if I had, if I had the knowledge to make this drug myself, I would need money in order to produce it and then distribute it. Right. So I don't have the money to do that on my own. So I guess I would need money. Otherwise, I just like, what do I did? I just tell somebody else how to do it. And then they would sell it. You asking me?

Yeah. Yeah. I would absolutely give you a free. And I would source fund. There's no way I'm taking any profit on a life saving thing that I figured out. I'm going to crowd source. That's what I meant. I would crowd source.

I think you'll find an unlimited amount of funds to find a distributing, outlets or funding for distributing outlets for people all across the world. So I actually agree with Arian. After I have a long, illustrious career in the NFL and, you know, several contracts, I would then give away the cancer drug for free. This is what I mean, think about it like this. If, say I can give it away for free, right? You don't think I'm going to make any kind of money with the book sales, with the speaking

engagements, with any kind of tours I'm doing. Like, you don't think you're going to make no money doing it? Yeah. I've always thought that if somebody wins a powerball jackpot and they get like $200 million What if they just gave all that money away for free Because you would go down in history Especially if you were like a poor person that won that lottery

You give away all that money for free You go down as being like the nicest person ever You definitely get book tours You get your life is probably pretty easy Imagine imagine imagine being a restaurant owner And the dude that created cancer walk in And you charge him for a plate Fuck out of here

Yeah Dick Or what if you're, you know Jonas Salk. Jonas Salk gave the cure to polio with. What if you're like a super successful business person and like tech and then like you make a shit ton of money become the richest man in the world

and then you start giving away most of it and then you know doing like stuff and everyone thinks that you're you know a eugenesis trying to kill people. You give it away. You invest heavily in vaccines. Invest heavily in vaccines. Talk about how they have a 20 to one return

and then everyone thinks you're actually not good. Love this. Love this. Stop tweeting. Let's go. Best investment he ever made. Wait, wait. So, listen, I think Bill Gates is a scumbag weirdo.

I think ever since. You're not going to catch me like being a Bill Gates super fan. I think anyone that's a fan of Bill Gates is a freak. But it's pretty clear, right, when he's saying that it's the best investment that he's made, that each life that he saves contributes eventually down the line to the economy of wherever they grow up in. and they generate wealth for those around them as any human would that's growing up right that's what he's talking about i don't i mean he very explicitly said they have a return of 18 to 1 it's the best investment i ever made right but you understand like

if you can save everybody's life in one village then that village i don't think that's what he meant no he meant like just killing them art no he meant he was just openly admitting like i've been able to murder so many more people than i thought that i would with no no no no he's talking about he's talking about the money he's making by selling the drug by selling the drugs correct like the one is how much money puts i don't think we're on the same page i don't think he's i don't think he's i don't think he's making yeah he yeah it said in the thing very explicitly so for people that don't know so was a billy that sent the video on the group chat find the video billy i don't think we sent a video someone sent a video on our group chat the other day talking about how bill gates made an investment of 20 billion dollars in um um vaccines, and it was the best investment he ever made because it was a 20 to one return. Yeah, so he made $200 billion on vaccines alone. Okay, so I think it's pretty obvious when it's a billionaire talking about this shit. If you're a billionaire and you can save a million people's lives, that's a million people

that are going to grow up and use all your fucking products that you sell to everyone. Right, but I don't think that's what he was referring to in that quote. All right, I'll have to look into the quote because if like if you're Bill Gates and you can save a million lives, in America by providing vaccines those are a million people that will eventually use a Windows product Yeah, but I don't like you're you're right you're right PFT so just

this quick Google search of course the video was cut and so in in the video he makes no mention of personal game he didn't he didn't mention his personal uh

yeah his personal game but rather discuss the social and economic benefits generated by his charitable foundation investments in vaccines. That's everything I've looked into Bill Gates, right? So I don't know enough about it to be a fan or not a fan of care. But everything that I've looked, all the claims have all been false. They've all been like that.

They've all been like taken out of context. Like my man's a while back was like he wants to depopulate the earth. Like I've heard that one before, right? And he did say that in a TED talk, right? But it's missing a lot of context. It's missing the context of the studies that have been shown that the more medical assistance

a people have, the less that they procreate. And he was saying that we need less population to have sustainable population so that we have so that all the people have access to resources. So he was just mentioning what the studies say, which is if the poor people are,

the more that they procreate. The less access they have to medical than the less, the more they appropriate. And that's all he was, he was saying. He's not saying he wants to make vaccines and kill people. Every, every country you can see as they develop, as they develop, the birth rate goes down. That's, that's like across the board.

I think, no, no, people were saying that. Yeah. Oh, I, I don't think Billy or I were, we're saying. No, no, y'all were saying he was mentioning his investment in vaccines were, correct. Yeah, he, he wasn't talking about his person. personal but like his foundation and things like that you know that's not what's not what he was reference he really hates who Indians they it's been trending since like before the

pandemic they've wanted to arrest Bill Gates or something like from India from India the proper term for it Indians yeah the subcontinent yeah why do they hate Bill Gates and are we sure that they actually hate Bill Gates and this might just be like a TikTok trend that you've seen where it's like 5,000 people that hate Bill Gates. Okay. Hashtag arrest Bill Gates trend on Indian Twitter in May, part of the campaign calling Indian authorities to charge the BMGF and Gates for conducting illegal medical trials on vulnerable groups in two Indian states.

This is not the first time the BMGF or Bill Gates has been at the receiving end of public anger in India. The lace outbursts is part of a constantly growing anger against Gates and its foundation in India. As early as April 2021, Gates received flag for express. saying's reluctance about sharing COVID-19 vaccine technologies developing countries like India after severe public criticism in India abroad, BMGF, chief executive officer.

Mark, she's been officially supported a temporary waiver on vaccine IP. Gates is old, like, yeah, they were, they didn't want to give the vaccine to India. Okay. So, I mean, it sounds like maybe there are some, uh, some subgroups of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation that have been doing allegedly unethical tests, which I think, like obviously if that's true, that's a very, good criticism. It's very fair criticism. It wouldn't be the first time that American corporations have gone over to India and destroyed local cities or, I mean, look at the, uh, the Bhopal chemical disaster

with Dow Chemical. They were, they were calling, uh, Bill Gates, the new mother Teresa in India. In a bad way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just, I, my only point in I'm not a Bill Gates fan. I probably said a bunch of stuff that, you know but my only point is i think there's this blanket term of oh you know we can't criticize anything that's going on is actually shielding all of these entities from real criticism of actual stuff that's my only point if you're gonna tell you i don't think there's any short of criticism like i think there's mad criticism no but like actual criticism that's taken seriously and you know like what like for example if it's like hey these like as we talked about

these vaccines were promised to give us immunity and stop the spread that was the whole mantra stop the spread but okay and it's every but can't we can't we like be honest with each other and say never did a person say like if you get this vaccine you're going to stop the spread the conversation was always this vaccine is 95% effective after your second dose against this wave of the COVID virus. Right? Let's, that's, let's, my insane for thinking that was always,

I think the truth is between those. I think at the beginning, I think people maybe wanted to believe, but I think there's some pretty clear cut statements from Fauci and the CDC director. I'm not talking about like a 30 second clip on CNN. But I mean, they were in the media parroting. If you get this vaccine, you will not spread it to other people.

There is, you are probably very, very likely not going to get it. Probably. And even if you. It's a big word. And even if you do, you won't get sick and you won't spread it to other people. They should have done a much better job of saying, being clear with it. I mean, like against this variant, it's doing, it's looking very promising. However, there could be evolutions of the virus that would be that would end up that this vaccine is much less effective against those.

They'd said that at first, then would that have been better? Because I think they were implying because they never really said it. Science has a bad PR problem in general. Because I remember having arguments with people about like creationists, right, when they'll say evolution is just a theory. I don't know whose idea in science it was to make a theory after a word like theory, right? It's just bad PR. Theory is the highest form of something that we know as man, human beings.

But, like, we put it next to a word that somebody's like, I got a theory about why giraffes have it. You know, it's, but science in general has bad PR because there's so many axioms that have to be understood in order to get the main point. And if you don't understand these axioms, the main point can be misconstrued. And that's exactly what's happening. For the record, I do think, like, did be very, very skeptical of some of these big pharmaceutical companies, you know, like, it's like, it's. That doesn't bipartisan. Yeah, it should be. It shouldn't be controversial to say that.

I think Billy just, Billy's been listening to some Joe Rogan. I have two. So I know where, I know where he's coming from with some of this. And they're, like, listen,

Joe Rogan actually, like he does get a bad rap sometimes. He's just an intellectually curious guy. He's not, he never makes any claims that he's, you know, the smartest person out there that he has all the answers for any science.

And so if you're able to listen to him and take everything that he says with a grain of salt, and follow up on some of the stuff that he talks about because he does fall he falls down a trap where he he hunts out the data that he wants to see and then he doesn't really look at that much conflicting data unless he has a guest on who's willing to challenge him on that

but he gets into like his like his own self-fulfilling data holes sometimes but I know what Billy was thinking about saying it was about like the ivermectin thing where people were saying like he's taking horse paste when in reality and other people were saying like he's taking this great drug that's had

that's shown a lot of promise in reality he was just like taking a drug that was completely unproven against coronavirus but it wasn't horse paste he wasn't taking like veterinary medicine but that was like the narrative that got spun against him it's just there's a lot it's this place is this world we live in is not straightforward

by any means it's not I just feel like we're being gas-light, gas-lit by everybody. You are, yes, they very woke out there. So, original anti-vax people, they were saying that... Autism. Autism. You get autism. And was there any link?

Not that we know of as of now, but there was Gil, Barr. There was one vaccine that gave people an autoimmune disorder, which was like a swine flu back in the 60s, which was like valid, but it wasn't statistically significant. for how many people, like not everyone who got vaccinated, you got it. There was also thalidomide. Do you guys know about thalidomide? No. Thalitamide was a drug that was given to pregnant women.

I want to say back in the 60s, maybe the 50s. And it was given to a woman who was pregnant who might have nausea, because, you know, obviously if you're pregnant, sometimes you get stomach issues. And so they just prescribed it as like a miracle cure. And it turns out that it, like, absolutely fucked up the fetus. And so there were kids that were born, just tons and tons of children that were born with, they weren't fully formed in terms of arms, legs, things like that. Yeah, 1950s and 1960s.

It resulted in severe birth defects in thousands and thousands of children. It was banned in most countries, the little I proved to be a useful treatment for leprosy and later multiple myeloma, and it was continued to be prescribed in a lot of developing nations, even though they realized that, hey, there were some toxicity issues here. So it actually ended up encouraging the United States to set up stricter regulatory conditions for monitoring these drugs to make sure that didn't happen in the future. but it's one of the biggest one of the most fucked up things that's happened in terms of the pharmaceutical industry

in the United States also it's a lyric and Billy Joel song we didn't start the fire talks about it Billy would you look at that man you look locked in I'm just reviewing notes we've gotten totally like I was going to talk about how people thought AIDS wasn't real

and stuff and like I have something on AIDS. What? So I watched Tick-Tick Boom over the Christmas break, the one with Andrew Garfield about Jonathan Larson, the guy who wrote Rent. Obviously, I was not alive when that came out. I, and this is me being ignorant, and I will admit to that, I did not, and a lot of the movies about AIDS in the 90s in New York, I did not realize how much of a death sentence,

like being HIV-B-positive was in the 90s. yeah i didn't like like spoiler alert in the movie someone gets AIDS um no yeah but he was like yeah i have a year i did not realize it was like a a death sentence like that i thought you could survive because i guess the only person i know from the 90s i like honestly that has HIV is edric johnson and he's i mean still kicking so i just i didn't realize that every single person that got it Arean, do you think he had HIV? I'm like a what? Wait, are I wrong?

Did you say, do I think I have anything? No, do you think he does, Magic Johnson? Oh, I said, what kind of question is that? I said, do you think he had eight? Yeah, yeah, I think you got it, but yeah. But I just, this is the reason why, though. This is the reason why. I'm sorry, Maddie.

I ain't going to cut you off. No, no, no, no, go for it. The reason why is because my uncle is HIV positive. And he's been living with this since I was a kid. So he's, I don't know, he's probably 50. I'm a 60 now. No, he's probably thinking he's 60. And he's also an anomaly for his era, right?

And he was a gay man. I mean, he is gay man. And we thought he was going to die when we heard he had it. But he's been living, I mean, 20 plus, maybe 30 plus years with it now. And so I've always kind of had the back insight on. And I also see what he called the cocktail, what they call the cocktail, what they call a cocktail, like what they have to take. And I haven't been around them in years,

I don't know if they still do this. But when I was younger, he had to take, like, a whole bunch of pills every day to kind of mitigate the, the blowback and make it turn into full-blown AIDS. But, yeah, I do think, yeah, I do think he had it. Yeah, because I was watched. Oh, but.

Well, I had a real quick question because Maddie was like, I didn't know that it was a death sentence like that. So hold on. Does the younger generation not really fair HIV, you like that? No. Well, because now,

well, now if you test HIV positive, you can get drugs that basically make it undetectable. I personally

still fear HIV. I mean, I fear HIV. I don't want HIV, but. I don't think that they had the same experience that we did

when we were growing up in like elementary school when it was so new and it was scary and it was like you thought every time you fell down and skinned your knee

that you were going to get AIDS. Yeah, no, that was not the experience. I have like the only reason I know about HIV is like she because of like gay media I guess so I'm just I'm just bugging because it's like yo I mean it's definitely generational thing to where I'm like that's the main reason we strapped up right it wasn't really because we didn't want to have babies it because we didn't want the the big age is what we called it you can get

the little age but the big age that's you nah is the little age like hepatitis herpes so so so now what I'm saying is like what is incentivizing young cats because they're not getting there's there's less amount of pregnancies amongst y'all's generation yeah now we just don't want kids so as they y'all are strapping no more y'all just ain't having sex as much i just don't think we want kids just the pull-out game better i got it our birth control is getting more effective iUDs iUDs could be yeah the nuva ring well now no the real get options guys i keep telling you about this Charleston chlamydia that's crazy

you do keep telling us about this you know you guys Billy talks about all the time it's a super bug like it's the closest thing we have I've never heard tell me about the Charleston I thought I told you but so basically yeah there's a bunch of colleges in Charleston right like I think that's where the Citadel yeah and basically

prescribing a shit ton of antibiotics because everyone's catching the same strain of STD I actually don't have this chlamydia or gonorrhea and they're just like they're doing exactly what you're not supposed to do with overscribing antibiotics, and you have an antibiotic resistance, chlamydia, that they keep trying to kill it. And so now it's like a super bug. It's its own strain. It's a super bug. And it's because unprotected sex, all that kind of

stuff. Yeah, no, but I like did not realize. I mean, like, I did, but we didn't learn about, at least I didn't learn about it in school of like HIV used to be a huge, huge. Oh, yeah. So there was a guy, Casper Schmidt, who thought that HIV. HIV was a myth and he thought that it was homosexuals interturnalizing anti-gay narrative and essentially turned their aggression inward by somatizing tensions and played the role of masochistic partner in the scapegoating ritual which was the fall in the face of guilt. You're saying so many big words and shame heathed. I'm reading quotes. Basically this guy died of AIDS and he thought it was fake. I mean that happens now with COVID but like I is that okay again I'm going to ask question is a lot

of homophobia like in the 80s and the 90s stemming from the fact that people were like if you get HIV you're going to just kill a bunch of people because you're gay I think that I mean there was I don't want to sound insensitive I don't know it was definitely it was definitely intertwined where HIV and AIDS was looked at as being a gay disease right in the 1980s which is why it took it was like a the punchline of a joke for a long time and it took a very long time for the government to fund any research going into treating it or preventing

it or really studying it in general. It was just looked at as like a risk to take. Gay people go to bathhouses and they give each other AIDS. That's kind of what that's about as far as the media narrative went with it until like 1987

1988. That's so crazy. And then they started to actually study it and I saw heroin usage. Heroin usage. Yeah. For HIV? because like needles? Yeah. Dirty needle. Yeah.

So they think that. So there was also a lot of communities thought that AIDS was started by the government and big pharma in order to like as a population control technique. Well, we now know. Yeah. I think Kanye still thinks that. Kanye thinks a lot of things. He has a few bars in I think late registration and graduation actually. Yeah.

Yeah. We know the government administer AIDS. Right. I treat the cash like the government treesays I won't stop I won't be satisfied to all my niggas get it So Recently it came out that they may have pinpointed

The exact time age Transmitted from I think chimpanzees To humans Or let me look at the exact species of monkey It may be rhes monkeys Oh they've never looked into this So this is I don't know anything about this They found out that it did come from a monkey

yeah so um the old the old like trope was that someone had sex with the monkeys get HIV but they really think that during world war one an individual ate bushmeat uh like a European soldier shot a monkey and ate it and that's how it's contracted okay um that's that's what yeah which is which makes sense because It's a blood-borne, yeah, crossed from chimps to humans in the 1920s in the Democratic Republic of Congo. I think I really fucked up, didn't he? Yeah. Oh, HIV originate, well, that's 2003. This is 2011. David Carr was an apprentice printer who died. It was the first time AIDS at Lich.

Like the quarterback? No, no, this was the first guy to die of AIDS. Oh, it's not funny. I'm sorry. Most non-hage cats have HIV. Yeah. Feline. Feline immunodeficiency virus.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. The thing is chimps actually live, you know, pretty, they, since it's been in their population for longer, it's not as deadly. They're like, because the ones who die of it, die like, you know, evolution. Mm-hmm. I'm trying to figure out the exact. because it was like

someone shot a chimp and ate it and that's how they think it happened no one actually had sex with a chimp they could have also fucked it before they ate it though you never know you never you look you never know it's truly no way to find out

huh I have heard a lot of conspiracy theories about Magic Johnson though like what like that he that he doesn't have it that he got caught sleeping with was somebody that he really shouldn't have been sleeping with and then was used to be a prop

like a poster child to get more funding towards AIDS research and to increase awareness of it in exchange for he was kind of like blackmailed into telling people that he had it. It's not probably not true. Because it derailed his whole career. So like he was in his prime. It was literally in his prime. Yeah. Yeah. But apparently the thing that he got caught doing was so bad that he was willing to walk away from the NBA, say that he had HIV and become a poster poster child for age research, as long as the person that caught him didn't say that. Again, this is probably not true. Yeah, he was such a big, like, megastar.

I think there's too many people involved that would have to, I don't know. It is, he's a miracle of modern medicine, though, the fact that he's still alive, that he's like probably the most healthy person on the planet right now. He's in great shape. Well, that's why I was, like, kind of confused when I watched the movie because Manj Johnson in, like, my head is one of the biggest celebrities that's been very open about their, you know, diagnosis with HIV. Are conspiracies just, like, rooted in hate, gossip?

Yes. Yeah. How are you just coming to the conclusion? Have I just, like, on a gossip podcast? Yes. Yes. Basically, yeah. All right, let's get to some voicemails.

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All right. Yeah. So instead of doing voicemails, we'll move those to Thursday. Yeah. We got to talk about, we got to talk about

the pig band today. So summary. Pigman. Billy, do you want to, or Avery, do you want to talk about it? Yeah. I mean, I saw this article pop up

like as we were doing the show. The U.S. surgeons, this is the first ever thing. They transplanted a, what is it, a biogenetical, Pig heart.

Genetically modified pig heart. Yeah. I don't even know biogenetics. It's a word. Into a human patient, which is crazy. So they put a pig heart that had been modified, like in what way? I think they grew a human heart in a pig. But why wouldn't they?

I feel like, I don't know if you're fucking us with Esther. No. David, do you remember when they grew an ear on a mouse? Yeah, but that's an ear, not a heart. Oregon. I don't think an ear is an organ. So wait, yeah, we need to figure this out.

You would grow a human heart inside of a pig. Does a human heart work in a pig? I think traditionally new. But that's, I guess this is the... I do not think God, intended for human hearts to be grown in pigs. He's the designer of nature. Everything should just be interchangeable.

We should be able to just like take a pig's stomach. So it says on the New York, it says from the New York Times that it was a genetically altered pig. So it doesn't say anything about the heart, it doesn't say anything about the heart being like a pig's heart into a human being. So it's a pig heart. Raises all sorts of ethical questions. Like I've never even heard of zine.

transplantation. It's the first of its kind, apparently. I think they modified the pig so that if they were to take the heart out, it wouldn't get rejected by the human body. Well, yeah, that's the point. But be it like a lot of the times that has to do with blood type. So maybe they genetically engineered a pig to have human blood types. And it says on here that, so it says that the man who got the heart transplant had terminal heart disease and so no there were no other options for him so is it like if you're diagnosed with the terminal disease you're like taking off the heart transplant list well i think it was because this guy said it was basically die or get a pig heart i'd be team pig heart yeah i get a pig heart too then i call myself man pig yeah uh big t

where do you stand on this i mean i guess if you need a heart like you're willing to do I don't I think it's weird I don't think there's necessarily a moral implication with it

you don't think so do you what happens when people start taking other body parts from animals implanting them like what

I Billy Billy wants to ask about a frog's vagina or like an elephant's penis or something I just no there's other cool stuff like

the heart isn't Who is necessary What if you took a baboon's ass And you'd look pretty weird Yo, what if I wanted an elephant's trunk on my face? I mean like we eat pigs So I don't know why you know Using a pig for a much more important

We basically when we eat We use animal proteins When we eat them And they go into our body Right So are we all What's I don't get Billy are you high right now though

Honestly I'm so So tired. It sounds like you're high right now. I've got a little. Delusional? Delusional. Yeah, so it was a late night last night. Billy's been working hard.

He's been blogging hard. He also has to work out today. I already did. You already did? I went on it. Actually, what happened was, is I went running, and it was really cold this morning. I got this new setup with my dog where I have, like, a leash that I tie around my waist. And then I have my dog in a running harness.

And then we just go for it. And we went like two and a half miles. It's really awesome. Damn. All right. Well, also some news behind the scenes here from part of my take. Billy and I are going to be going on a road trip out to Los Angeles for the Super Bowl. Does Aaron even know about this?

So Billy and I, Billy lost a contest. I came in second place at the contest. So we're doing a road trip. We're driving from New York City all the way to Los Angeles. I'm excited about it because I like road trips. And so we're trying to plot out a course across the country right now. Right now we're thinking about going through Tennessee, through Arkansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona to Los Angeles. So if anybody out there lives along the way has any recommendations for things that we should stop and see, just little side quests that we can do along the way.

Please let us know. It's going to be a fun trip. I think I'm going to have to do the 72-ounce steak challenge. Where is that at? Amarillo Yeah Is it like a chicken fried steak type thing?

No Oh just a steak Yeah I've eaten that much Aryan you think you could do it That's like 60% No easily I think I've eaten

48 ounces 72 ounces Easyly yeah Meets easy to just put down But it also comes with three sides I think you have to eat Like three massive side dishes too What?

Yeah That might get me If it's bread But for the most part I usually just tell myself to stop eating Like, I have an appetite that I could just continue to eat. Like, it's wild.

Carbs fill you up. I feel like in my, like, dumb brain that sometimes, like, takes too much into account. I feel like hunters, like, had to, like, have no limit on as much meat as they can eat because it might be the only time they, like, as a way to carry that meat. So they just eat it. And there's no, like, off switch. But you're not a hunter. No, but I'm just thinking like hunter-gatherer.

Oh, like your generation. Billy's an alpha dog. Billy's an alpha. Your ancestral hunting genes? If you don't check up on his friends, do you think it's soft when they get cold and shit. Dude, if my buddy was like, oh, I got a cold, I'd be like, go drink some dayquil and emergency in Jack 3D and let's go.

Let's go. That's what we used to do. Yep. Wait, do your belly voice again, Aaron? No, I'm dead. I like that. I respect Billy's take. I think it's, I think we need...

It's just like back when people were sick. I just, I don't agree with it at all, but I think it's hilarious. I'm glad that you have it. Wait, Pfizer CEO is trending as we're recording. Let's... Oh, he predicts an Omicron vaccine will be ready in March. Okay. Oh, another one.

All right, well, are you going to get a big tea? How many government contracts? No, I got the vaccines. They said I needed to get. I'm done getting vaccines. Yeah. I'm getting boosted this weekend. Same.

Really? No, same. I'm done with... I got the piece of paper. I'm done. Okay. We'll see about that. I'm not enforcing him in.

I am saying, though... Here's an interesting... Places that we have to go sometimes. They'll not let you... If you stop at Albuquerque, let me know. Hit me up. I got a great spot for you, but...

Oh, hell yeah. I think we might. I think Albuquerque is right along the way. If you, do y'all like spicy food? Yes. Yes. I got you, dog. I got you.

All right. Pfizer will produce the doses to be ready in case countries want the shots, but Borla noted that it was unclear if a vaccine targeting variance was necessary or how exactly it would be used. Okay. That's the guy making it. No, you said it's a Pfizer CEO, right? Yeah.

Albert Borla. You're not making the vaccine. Well, he's in charge of the. over the people who are. Aren't we so? All right. I think we're about done here. Yeah.

Can this be the last time we talk about vaccines ever? Nope. Nope. It might be. That's amazing. Hold on. First of all, this was a big pharma episode. And there's no other bigger stage to talk about big pharma than right now.

That's actually very true. I think all of us said a lot of stupid stuff. I think this is one of our days in the summer. No, speak for yourself, Gee. I think this episode, a big farm episode, leads to a Theranos episode. A small pharma episode. A girl boss pharma episode. Famous girl bosses throughout history.

Number one. Cleopatra. She was a girl boss. She was a girl boss. Eve. Eve? Total girl boss. Would you consider Mary to be a girl boss?

Girl boss Was she? Yeah Not really Not really What? I don't know She got

Her son was a total girl boss Jesus Yeah He was a girl I would just like it Also note This isn't What y'all were talking about

But the Pfizer CEO also said In an interview today Quote Two doses of the vaccine Offers very limited protection If any Okay

Two dose of the vaccine Offers limited protection If any For what? You have to read Headlines No I'm reading his quote. For Omicron.

This is a pyramid scheme. Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. Three doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths, less protection against infection. And that's for Amicron? I'm assuming that's what he's talking about. Okay. How long will like Amicron stick around hypothetically?

I can't wait for Decepticon. That one's going to be cool. They should have called it O'Melta, this new Delta Cron thing they're talking about. Oh, Melth is such a better name. That's better. Sounds like an omelet. Yeah. All right.

That does it for us. We will see you guys on Thursday. We're going to do voicemails. What's the number for voicemails? It is 347-560-0401. Okay. We will see you guys on Thursday. Love you all.

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