Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Billy Football and Mad Dog Talk The Last of Us | EXTRADOSE

Episode Date: March 17, 2023

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Hey, macro dosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hi, and welcome back to extra dosing. I'm here with Mad Dog. Hello. And the newest member of the podcast, McKenzie. Who-hoo. Hello.

What's up, McKenzie? Nothing much. How's it going? Billy here. We're going to be discussing all sorts of stuff today. Last of us, maybe get to know McKenzie a little bit for our listeners. We know McKenzie. We've been working with McKenzie.

But you guys might not. Then, yeah, last of us. And we'll maybe get in some, like, dinosaur mansplaining just to make sure. Figure out everyone's takes on it. You know, there's been a certain bar that the internet has told us and that if there's podcasters, they should know about dinosaurs. So we're going to talk about a little dinosaurs just so everyone's on the same page. In order to purchase podcast equipment, you have to pass like a basic dinosaur IQ test.

But yeah, why don't we, when we start off? talking to McKenzie McKenzie hi McKenzie hello McKenzie where did you come from how did you give us your life story barstool sports where did you what were you working on before this how did you get involved in macrodose and he's an Emmy one oh gosh oh wow I do have an Emmy yeah she's the most qualified out of all that is like that's a fun fact that I literally always forget because I like forget that I have it I never forget um neither to my parents it's actually at their house because it's like literally so big that I can't Like, I don't have nowhere to put it in my apartment.

So my parents, like, I'm just like, just tell people it's yours because I don't care at this point. But no, so I used to work at MLB Network. That's where I got the Emmy. That's where I started. I went to Ithaca College. And I worked on a bunch of stuff when I first started here. Call Her Daddy being one of them. I did start on Call Her Daddy, which was kind of wild.

It was right when Alex came back after all the Sophia drama. started editing clips for her and that was kind of how I got a full-time job and then um I for the past like year and a half I've worked on token CEO so I've worked with Erica and produced and edited that podcast and then like a couple other random things here and there um but yeah that's pretty much that McKenzie and I've worked together on token for like the whole time I've worked here McKenzie is a trooper she once had to accompany Dukes and I from the PLL Championship game Yeah, never forget

Look, Duke and I You know, when we get allowed on our excursions To lacrosse events It gets a little crazy And basically we got trapped in a garage It was Mexican Independence Day Where were you? Oh, I forgot about that It was in Philadelphia

And basically there was some sort of celebration For Mexican Independence Day on the water By the way, Mexican Independence Day is not Cinco de Mayo no for all you ignorant people um so it was independent day and basically there was a lot of people parked there to watch the fireworks for mexin independent day and we basically got trapped in a parking garage uh and we couldn't get out for like hours so i was trying to make it back to the part of my take recording mackenzie was there after filming for some token stuff for erika was there at the championship day yeah that was why yeah so it was dugs who was you know he was not driving so he was

enjoying libation he's having a good time he was entertaining the clients for billy yeah and i was like i got a drive to get back to the studio uh because we were recording way late it was a it was an it was i think it was the second nfl sunday it was a long time ago yeah but it was in like september i think yeah yeah uh it must have been like that first NFL but mackenzie was just hanging in there it dudes is going wild and dude's like yo we should just stay the night and it's like I'm going to get fired. Yeah. Dug's was like not.

I felt really bad because you you felt really bad. You were like, oh my God, I'm not going to make it. And you were like trying so hard. And then we literally like were trapped. Like there's no other way to say it other than like we were legitimately trapped. Like we could not move out of the parking garage. Weren't you like, didn't you have to like pee on the side of the road or something like that? No, Duggs did.

And you were so mad. You were like, oh my God, I need to get to the part of my tank studio. Yeah. The dude's like, I need to pee. Stop. I'm like, I'm not stop. So he just like ripped a, you know, freaking shoulder and he just like got out like on the highway, not like a side street. Like it was on the highway. Like if a tractor trailer drove past Dukes would have just been thrown into the middle of the highway. But McKenzie was a trooper. And honestly, thank God she was there. Because I don't think anyone would have believed their story. Probably not. Yeah. No. Yeah. No. I felt really bad because you were I give you credit because you were very like responsible. Yes. He was being very responsible. Duggs on the other. was just having a good time.

He didn't have to be responsible. No, yeah. When does Dukes have to be responsible? He was, like, fine, too. Like, he wasn't causing any ruckus. He was just being Dukes just, like, operates on a level of, like, has had three beers. Yeah. Yes.

That's his, like, base line is has had three beers in the past two hours. Should we just throw Dukes off this podcast? Does he watch? I'm trying to remember him and I talk about Outer Banks a lot. I don't know if he's watched The Last of Us. Yeah. Him and I, he has a lot of takes on the Outer Banks, though. Oh, really?

Oh, my gosh. Maybe we'll bring doggs in after we discussed last of us. Just, you know, let's spice it up. This is a sandbox. Like, all the parents are away. Yeah, no adult supervision. Left us at home with the podcast equipment. Right, right.

Let's just get wild. Let's throw dugs on there. Let's see how crazy this gets. So now last of us. Oh, God. Let's start. We're two episodes. The last time we spoke was right before episode eight.

So there was the last two episodes of the season. Yeah. Which was crazy shit. I got to say I have specific I think that episode episode eight specifically was the most

intimate violence I ever saw on TV yeah I don't like violence well like I obviously in general but I'm not a gore blood person when it comes to TV I may have been watching it through my fingertips

I went back and watched it like knowing what happens it's insane And also a lot of it you don't even really see Yeah It's like your mind going the places Also spoiler alert obviously Oh yeah spoilers spoilers spoilers

We're about to talk about it But like if you didn't finish the last of us Come on now It's Friday when this is coming out This is late I hate when people are like get mad that They saw something on Twitter I'm like then don't go on Twitter

Like if the episode's been out That's your fault Like don't get mad if someone else is talking about it Someone tweeted at me because I tweeted like The Last of Us season finale some of the best television I've ever seen yada yada yada like they tied up it they tied it up so perfectly

and someone goes spoiler layer I go I didn't say anything I just mentioned that the show was good which we all have known by now but yeah so episode eight was it was so like graphic isn't even the right word so

basically maybe we'll get into the plot I don't think we have to recap too much I mean I have some questions If you're listening to this, you probably know what the plot of it is. Yeah, basically a lot of the, like, especially the stuff with Joel and other combatants, the way they displayed a lot of the violence was very realistic and showed everything. Like, I don't think there's much cinematography where you see another man stab another man to death and watch him die in front of you. Like the kneecap thing. Yeah, and close up.

Like, it reminded, like, if you've, it reminded me of some stuff from LiveLeak. like some Mexican cartel execution videos like it was wild I mean in the fact that they perfectly like I've always said I'd rather be shot than stabbed yeah getting stabbed is like seriously like like you're up close and personal and you're being inserted into you don't die immediately yeah and like you see that all in like and even and even the stuff that Ellie did like Ellie, like the violence that Ellie committed was a little more slasher. And it was more self-defense. Yeah.

But it was more slasher where you didn't have like, you know, like if you saw cocaine bear, like a lot of it was like almost funny gore type stuff. But like Ellie's like chopping up people. It was so over the top. Yeah. But again, you know, it's not like you see David's body when she goes out of the flavor. You don't even see that. It's like you're imagine.

And again, I listen to The Last of Us podcast. with the past few episodes as well. And they're like, it's what your imagination is thinking that it looks like. Like, can you imagine if they show David after that? Yeah. Just, you know, hamburger meat. Just burnt to a crisp and ground beef. Like, ew, dude.

But I always think, I thought it was funny that they, so they get the penicillin for, or Ellie gets the penicillin. And then he is just, I mean, Joel is just fine. Back to normal. Which I don't know if I've ever had a penicillin. shot? Like, what does that do? Well, I mean, I know about Toridol. Right. I wish they got him some Tor at all. Yeah. No, but they definitely, I think they, you know, they're allowed to take a little liberty with reality with just like a shot of penicillin kills.

But, you know, they are dealing with infections that we've conquered like thousands of years ago. Like when penicillin got invented, it increased the battle, battlefield mortality rate, like survival rate of like battlefield wounds by like, you know, 70%. I don't know the exact topic, but like that was a huge step in warfare. Like once penicillin got invented, so many more people survived. Like, I think like 80% of civil war casualties were because of gangrene and infections post injury. So like we forget like in the modern world that, you know, getting stabbed by, you know, a stake can take you out. Well, I mean, that could take you out now. I don't think that was like the craziest part. But it's, it's crazy that.

I saw something, it might have been a TikTok or something, again, sorry, the TikTok's coming up, but that Joel at his whatever percentage, 10% or 20% of wellness that he was at can still take out two of that colony's strongest men. Now, here's my question. So remember the preacher, whose name is David. David. So David, he says, I believe everything happens for reason. And now we get, you know, we'll get to it, but basically David's, you know, taking care of this whole society.

He's, you know, the shepherd of the flock. They're religiously based. He's their Jesus, basically. Yeah. And he's, you know, he's taking care of them and he's doing whatever it takes to take care of them. So when he talked about Ellie and Joel, like one of their members being killed in a scabging hunt by a man traveling with a daughter. Yeah. So was that, was the guy that Joel got stabbed by that guy, or is he lying?

No, no, no, no. So in episodes, what is that, six, when he gets stabbed, the guy who stabs him that that Joel ends up killing was that man, was the dad to that little girl. So David knows immediately who Ellie is and who Joel is. He doesn't know what state Joel is in And he doesn't know where Joel is necessarily Or if he's dead But he knows immediately

That's why he like spares Ellie Because he Well we figure out Because he's a creep pedophile But because he knows who they are And then he That's why he's like Oh and he was traveling with a little girl of his own

He knows exactly who Ellie is And it is actually that girl that we meet her father who was killed the one that he slaps right yes

and then he's not waiting for spring to bury the body yeah by the way Ellie fucking crazy shot take like

having a shot like that on a deer oh that's more your expertise well I mean like that that was impressive

that shows that all the training Joel is done with her has worked I know also did you hear the clicker

in the beginning were you watching with subtitles I watch her subtitles for that sort of stuff I don't think I was Did it say like clicker noises? Yeah, when she was walking through the woods You think it's like the rattle of like horns

But if you look at the It says clicker noises Which I mean it didn't really end up being anything I know I thought there would be more like zombies I mean we didn't see a single In fact it in episode 8 Are we calling them clickers I like to call them clickers

You can call them clickers Be my guess Because infected is like Two general clickers very specific to You know who they are You know what they're up to These zombies in the movies Yeah

But I Oh shoot What was I just going to say Oh The dad was unfortunately Yeah Cannibals Eat eaten by

By the daughter And the wife Yeah So Cannibalism So David One of his things To you know

Save his flock They were running low on food So what they started doing Was they started eating people eating their dead. Which seems like a bit of an extreme step considering Ellie killed a deer in like an hour. Yeah.

Like, why don't you go try a little harder, David? I think that was his goal, was to get to cannibalism. But also, how many people do you think had to know about the butchering? I think it was David. And I think it was James, who I told you, was played by Troy Baker, who plays Joel in the video game. Oh, wow. I think it was David.

I think it was James. And I think it was maybe a couple of those other guys that they were traveling with and then that woman when james or yeah when james brings it and he's like it's venison yeah it's that woman who's preparing the food understands what that means i think i think she's just don't ask don't tell exactly she has just decisions but now those people who are going out were they looking to hunt people to eat them because this is what i'm saying if that guy who died he's already dead if they're just the dad yeah they're eating dead bodies and so in russia during a lot of the hunger like basically the forced hunger the Soviet Union inflicted like on

Ukraine even during the siege of Stalingrad there was two types of charges for cannibalism there was people who are killing people to eat them and then there was people who are eating already dead bodies so where we like if David I don't know if David's the first who they're actively hunting people to eat them or the second opportunistic consumption of protein. So if they're the second one, I think that I don't know how evil David is.

Oh, come on. I get, okay, yes, he's evil. Yes, he's evil. But, you know, playing David's advocate. Well, he was about, like, I think it was probably a mix of both. I think it was what he could find. Also, remember, he was going to kill Ellie for

me. And Ellie didn't, Ellie wasn't dead. Okay. Yeah, so that So we're back on, David sucks. Yeah. But he was going to kill Ellie until he found out she was infected, which power moved by her. I would have forgotten in that moment. Well, I guess you think about all the hypothetical situations we think of in our head, like, randomly. Like when she's on that horse trotting, she's like, well, what happens if this happens?

Well, I'm going to say I'm infected. That's also probably true. Yeah. But, yeah, so I think it's, I think it's he, was he out of options in his head, yeah. But I think a lot of it comes from this weird power dynamic that he has of this Jesus-like leader where people will do whatever he tells them to. Yeah. And like when when he slaps that girl, that daughter, he was like, you know, your father may be gone, but you will always have a father. And that's him.

Then he sat down with them. That was fucked. And his voice, his voice reminded me of the Heaven's Gate guy. Oh, yeah. Reneery. I don't think that was his name, but the guy who did Heaven's Gate. That was, it was like, I'm talking about, Fee and Fy or Fy or Fum or something. I'm talking about Nexium.

Oh, yeah. But like that cult leader, weirdly calm, but very convincing voice, he nailed that. He was disgusting. Rain Wilson, Dwight had an interesting take. on it. He was like, why are all Christians betrayed his evil in Hollywood? Did he actually say that?

Yeah, Rain Wilson, who plays Dwight, it might be as weird as Dwight. I used to listen to his podcast. No, for him. But, yeah, so it was a lot, it was a lot of mirroring to Jackson. Yeah. Because Jackson is this

thriving community that obviously Tommy and Maria live in and you can see that people which we talked about in the last extra shows people are doing well here and are watching movies and make like having families and all of this

and then there's something like this village we find and the steakhouse and you see that not everyone has it all figured out like Jackson does and also going back to

political religious take um it shows when because remember in episode six they're like they're they're they're they're oh she marguer's like we are communists versus this theocracy of you know we rely to god for all of our needs and he will bring them to us and it kind of shows i think it's it's as political as the last of us we'll get of you know you're actually pretty cool i've just i just thought about this that throughout the show there's various systems of small government in the settlements be it Fedra, be it, fireflies. But the fireflies, I don't think, have set up, we'll get to that later. But the free zone in Kansas City, I'd say is another, like, for example, I would say Fedra is representative of fascism. Yes. The free stay in Kansas City is representative of a

revolutionary government with a dictator. Yep. Definitely being the dictator. Yeah. Like a, like a, like a, like a Cuba, Che Guevara type government. I don't know how exactly you stem that is like a, I don't know what the exact word for it would be. Because I don't think their system of government more now is like animal farm, like trying to, you know. Kansas City. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's.

Yeah, it's a dictatorship, I'd say. Yeah. Which, again, I know we. Would say communists? A revolutionary dictatorship? Yeah, I wouldn't say communism. That's more Jackson. Yeah.

Jackson is true communism. Oh, exactly. Communism. And the thing is that's working. Like almost like a Scandinavian socialism where it works because it's a small group of people. And then I'd say we have a theocracy with David's settlement and doesn't work. There's a like you see all the faults with all of them. Yeah, you do.

I think I think honestly though, Jackson, you don't see a ton of faults. Yeah. Rather, I mean, besides. I don't know. Not letting other people in. Yeah. And so, yeah, they're fiercely protective. Yeah. So that's that's their fault. They're very, they hate outsiders. Yeah. And I'm probably sure that Joel and Ellie would have been killed or close to killed if they, if not for Tommy and Maria.

But no, episode eight, I think just shows a lot of mirrors of the outside world and these ultra bright wing, you know, no separation of church and state type of people who, you know, God shall provide cult like whatever but I do you think that how long do you think it took for them to like actually turn to capitalism um the thing is when you're in that situation basically the the ultimate collapse of civilization recorded throughout history has been cannibalism once cannibalism starts that is when civilization is completely collapsed okay that means there's no resources you see there's there's examples of it um especially in Soviet Russia with all the starvation. That's probably the most recent examples I can think of.

When was that? That was like in Ukraine, actually. Let me look it up. It basically was a genocide. Ukrainian 1932, the Holodomor. Millions of Ukrainians were killed in the Holmador, a man-made famine engineered by the Soviet government of Joseph Stalin. And they basically just took all their grain and they just had no food.

And they started literally, there's pictures of people, selling humans for food it is wild it's like when 1932 yeah that's like that's like if you have a really old great-grandparent or even old grandparent there's people in ukraine right now who lived through that as children yeah so that's how do they like build it back up then if it's like it's yeah if it's and then they're all eating each like how do they just all of a sudden stop eating each other. Well, since this one was like a forced famine, there like was like, once the government basically gave back their resources. Oh, okay. That makes sense. So, but it's, but there's examples like, for example, uh, the Mayans in Aztecs, there's a lot of examples of, you would eat their heart.

Yeah, but when there's like when the mines disappeared, was it the mines? The Aztecs were there when the, yeah. So when the mines disappeared, they felt like, they think that there's tons of, um, Disease famine they start eating each other and like once that happens there's no trust within people and then like large groups break apart like the fabric of society is that you're not trying to eat somebody else You're like in some way you can offer someone else something that makes them not want to kill you That's like the fabric of society. I mean I guess when you break it down like that yeah kind of like right now in this room yeah like we're all fed right we all have water we're warm yeah we're all all helping each other. We're helping each other with our jobs right now. Once, like, there's no jobs, there's no food. And we get to the point where the only thing you have to offer is, like, I'm hungry. Then, then we can't have any sort of like. Yeah, I guess you're right,

though. Like, that's when it gets down to like the lowest of the low. But basically, they probably were hungry. And he had to make a choice. They had dead bodies. And oh, the perfect example would be Roanoke. Roanoke, one of the first, um, uh, the first, um, uh, the first colonies in America, they all just started starving and they ate each other. Oh, really? Yeah. Is that real? Yeah.

Roanoke is a really, the lost colony. Like Roanoke, Virginia? Roanoke, Virginia. We got to do an episode on that. Roanoke is wild. I was going to say, is that a college? Yeah. It's like a city.

Yeah. Basically, there's like, so basically they disappeared. But they're known as the lost colony due to the subsequent unexplained disappearance of this population. So what they think happened is they started eating. each other and then the rest joined the native tribes in the area because they didn't know how to farm they didn't know like this was before the pilgrims the pill like those stories about like the native americans am i is it squanto that's i've heard of that no that's i think i'm this

totally wrong guy squanto might be uh squanto on the pilgrims yes okay squanto helped the pilgrims communicate with the native americans and taught them how to plant corn like that was huge learning how to have your own food was such a huge step for the American colonies and like Roanoke didn't have that so they were like trying to plant all this stuff they did in Europe that just didn't work and then they based like some guys were

some colonists they're recorded of digging their own graves and just lying in them and waiting to die because they were like I need to get to heaven I need to be buried so I'm going to make it easy as hell. They didn't want to get eaten? Yeah. Oh my God. They just wanted to make it easy as hell for people to

like get them to heaven and get them six feet under facing the sky so they could get to heaven because it was so terrible. So I don't know how long it took these guys to collapse into cannibalism. I have a feeling that David made the decision a little earlier than they had to.

Because more people would know if they had to resort to cannibalism. Right. Because they, yeah. And well, and then also you see when Joel breaks in you see bodies being like hung yeah so they have a bit of a system lined up for this so i i think yeah it's it's was it a last choice or a last resort probably i'm feeling like let's let's be realistic remember they couldn't bury the bodies till spring till the ground was off that's a lie billy

no but there's truth to that there's truth to it but then he said well well if he's already dead we're going to eat him let's say it was truth right like and they were keeping the bodies like embalms and they're trying but they're like hey you know like go and look for all this meat and like here we are he was a little bit plus size yeah he's like he's in there he's in the warehouse and we're just keeping it for no reason like it's taking up freezer space like you know why don't we just take a little leg like he won't mind and then they just start eating him but we haven't found any deer which it's just and it's gross but he

everything that David talks everything that David says like made him creepy or thought the episode because he starts with he was a teacher before and then he turned to a preacher oh because he fucking rhymed um so he was a teacher before and he taught people that were Ellie's age and so then you you know that fact like you know that base level and then you also know

this also kind of gives lore to the context of he was in Pittsburgh when their QZ collapsed because in the game again this isn't a spoiler but in the game what happens in Kansas City took place in Pittsburgh so people who played the game are like why did it take place in Kansas City instead of Pittsburgh and the real answer is like basically set design but Canada doesn't look like Pittsburgh right but then they kind of set that up in the show of oh the QZ in Pittsburgh dissolved to some degree in 2017 so you hear that he's a teacher then you then you find out he's killing people and eating them or you know eating dead bodies then you find out that he wants to make Ellie when he throws her when he throws her in that cell you find out she's going

to be his child ride yeah tough tough to come back from that yeah the weirdest part is Since he is, was a teacher. That's what makes it so creepy, is that he's a pedophile, gross man who was a teacher. But also, like, the way he thinks she's special, like, she's above intelligence for her age, means that, like, as a man who was judging children for their intelligence, he's just met her. And within that short time, deduce that, oh, my God, she's my equal. She can be a shepherd with me. Exactly.

she's just like she's not a sheep like he can't trick her right which scares him so he's like join me yeah if you can't beat him join him kind of thing so then do you think if if if david approached that in a different way do you think there's any any universe in which ellie would have been like okay no unless unless jol is dead yeah if joel is dead she may have tried to survive and that might have been the best way to survive in that moment but she yeah but then you have to think about the whole reason why she's there is like to get to the firefly hospital but anyways like it he's just disgusting and so then he um they they go back and forth he basically wants to kill her at this point if she's not going to oblige with his demands

of being a child bride he's like well if you're wasting space you're just another mouth to feed get on the chopping block literally how old is ellie at this point 14 yeah so then david and james are literally teeing up to butcher her i mean and and she is i love her so badass takes it cleaves um james in the neck and then i know and then you see him there's so much blood there dude that that's when it got a little comically gory like the that one was comically gory i will say that's one's like okay that's over the top but like but i've never seen someone get cleavered in the neck maybe that's what it looks like i i feel like cleavers have become so like you know stabber comical but like but when you're but when you're chopping up a human

i think you probably need a cleaver true but bones joles acts of violence while torturing and like killing those other guys was so like more intensely graphic and like scary in a way right so then let's cut so ellie gets out of getting chopped up by david and james kills james um and tells them that she's infected then we cut to mr joel up and adam chipper chipper as could be adrenaline yeah finding these what would you call them guards basically yeah henchman henchman the members complicit in cannibalism. I think that's, there's like a group of guys, she's like, you know about the cannibalism. The MCCs. Yeah. Um, and the kneecap scene. Oh, man. I could not. I can't. I can't. I can't. I still can't watch it. Oh, man. And I've, oh my God. This is going to be us like being like, oh my gosh, but

I cannot. I will never be able to watch that scene fully. just him and also the basically the craziest the most psychologically ridiculous part is that you assume he'll show mercy if they tell if he tells him the truth but then he's like I don't give a fuck right I'm just going to kill you guys because I know you're telling the truth because I'm so fucking scary right he's done that a lot throughout the season especially in the last episode too which we'll get to where even if you give him the information he wants he will kill you anyways yeah he has yeah he has no mercy like especially if you're armed if you're armed you're done he's like a no some like he's a no some actor he's a

completely irrational actor well he's rational in his in McAvelian like pursuit but he is like his mode of conduct in how he negotiates with people if you don't know his pursuit you cannot predict the way he's going to act. I definitely think he wasn't, I didn't think he was going to stab that guy in the knee. That was news for me. Yeah, I couldn't see that one coming. When he was like,

when the other guy was like, wait, why did you kill him? He told you. Right. He told you the truth. And he's like, I know he told me the truth. Right. And he's like, I know.

And then he's like, it's okay. You don't have to tell me. Like, you're fine. And then just, oh, murders the, oh. But so that's happening on one side of this wilderness camp. Then on the other side, it's Ellie and it's David fighting each other. Basically, who's going to kill who first? Yeah.

Right? So then we get one of, which I think ended up being one of the coolest scenes of television I've ever seen with Ellie and David in the steakhouse. Yeah. When she has the torch. So she throws the torch, which I think you can immediately assume. is a parallel to like hell you know yeah like he's supposed he's basically the devil with the fire and everything and she is just i just love that ellie girl she is so resourceful and finds that steak basically throws the steak starts to light the place on fire i will say one one not plot hole one

question i have how did no one um else from the settlement uh notice anything was going on when the whole when they're basically main meeting area was getting burnt to a crisp that's a different story for a different day but so they start to go at each other and I mean

like everything he says when he has her pin to the ground and he's like don't you know fighting is my favorite part I want to puk thinking about that he is so gross and so awful and nasty you always got to suck

like let's say you're an actor and like you work your whole life into acting and you finally get a role and this is like your breakthrough role but like the only roles you can play is just like creepy pedophile man do you have to take a look at the mirror at that point yeah it's it's like like when you go home you're like I my worth the reason the society pays me money is because I am I can act like a pedophile that's that's that's a sad way to look at it but I know but he's probably like portraying like actually he's probably played other roles i don't i don't want to shit talk about no oh he's a great actor he's just credit to how good

good he was he was amazing i'm gonna see he's definitely got range and can play other roles but he just played that so well i'm gonna see what else he was in but the way um um the way that he is so close to getting her but even oh scott shepherd um it's kind of like how hateable skyler was in breaking bad i didn't see breaking bad yeah I didn't either. No. No worries. But, oh, he's, this man, the plays David is also in Bridge of Spies.

What's his name? Scott Shepard. Scott Shepard. Oh, he looks much more normal. He looks way normal in real life. Yeah. They really made him look like a pedophile. The mustache.

It was the mustache. Yeah. And his voice. I think it was his voice. Yeah. Oh, he's a, he's an audiobook narrator. I have a feeling he's foreign. No, he's from Raleigh, North Carolina.

Oh, okay. Because there's like a ton of, uh... Oh, he's in the Breaking Bad movie. El Camino. Oh. Huh. Hmm. Would you look at that? Um, but anyways, um, yeah, he, the way that I just, I just don't know if I were, I mean, well, I would be dead long before if I were Ellie.

But like, how she, even in her last fighting moments, which kind of reminds you of how Tess is in episode two when she's trying to get the lighter to spark like until the very bitter end they are working to achieve a certain goal which is ultimately survive rips a moat and then just absolutely goes

ham she took a couple extra swings which again I listened to the podcast and they were like this was for basically in a weird not sadistic but crazy way it was like her getting out her aggression on this was for her mom this was for test this is for sam this is for henry this is for riley like this is for everyone she couldn't save and so you i mean because she you know he's dead after like the first three or four swings

because you hear him just stop screaming and then she almost slows down for a second and then she keeps and just goes nuts again so i think that's when she was just like i'm so mad and upset and obviously in that moment she there's a stark change in her character um and then she gets out of the steakhouse after clobbering him and that this scene made me cry where she's walking and then joel comes up to her and she tries to fight and then he says baby girl and i ended it and i'm sorry you know what bonk on me. I'm sorry. Bonk, because you started crying?

No, bonk because Pedro Pascal. Okay. Didn't know Pedro Pascal was the Mandalorian. I forgot about that. I actually knew that. But then he's like, this guy's just the, Pedro Pascal is just the guardian of all things small. Small.

Small. He's got grogoo and Ellie. Yeah, he's just like, like ultimate. That's like definitely playing on some primal stuff. Like this guy can take. care of children. Which is funny because he doesn't have kids in real life. Yeah.

But you see that and you see, I mean, just in her face alone, she's so different. Like she's completely out of, she's, she's not, like she's in flight or flight because as soon as Joel hugs her, she tries to fight back. She think he, she tells him what she did. That's never really revealed, but you think he's, that's ever, what happens ever said? That's a good question. I don't know. I would probably assume

I would assume that she gives him like spark notes version of like what happened of like this guy it's the guy who you know stabbed you's leader he wanted me to be his child bride he tried to kill me.

I think she gives a spark notes version I don't know if she goes into graphic detail I don't think she has that I think she's so emotionally damaged at that point she can't go back. She's probably going to block that off and never Yeah. So be able to revisit that. Let's transition to the episode finale because I think we've gotten to that point. Unfortunately. So we see the beginning. She's silent. Joel's trying to, you know, get her out of shock. Or do you want to talk about the opening scene with her mom? Oh, yeah. Fuck. This place jumps around. We're jumping. I immediately knew. That was Ellie from that. Yeah. It just sounds like her. that was oh that's her from the video game yeah her mother her mother is ellie in the video game

oh she looks a lot like ellie but then it's funny because james the guy who plays joel in the video game looks nothing like joel or sounds like nothing like him it's actually kind of crazy how joel from the video game looks so much like pedro pascal yeah i think ellie looks like bella ramsay i think they look like I mean is what was that on purpose like do you think they like meant to make this a video well I mean obviously I think they wanted him to look like paid with the video game it's almost like the the script couldn't get sold as a movie so they made it into a video game and like when they were creating it's like I still think this could be a this show later on this could be a

show later on but yeah so you see her mom running through the woods like in active labor from a clicker and they get into this house or the mom gets into the house that they're staying in yeah and obviously i mean the worst the worst situation happens i was watching that and you know how exercise is supposed to induce labor yeah like so stress yeah which she was in both was that like a common thing like in caveman times or like women were running away from predators and they're just like i feel like that would be the worst time to go into labor. I don't think that women were doing as much hunting and getting, hunting more gathering.

They might have been gathering. And then like a lion came up to them or something, maybe. But she literally is fighting off the clicker and then baby Ellie just pops out. Yeah. I mean, probably a good distraction. Right. And then it also, right. It also set the positives.

Right. Look at the positives. You have a child. You have to get killed in 20 minutes. We have a child. Like instead of doing like pain killers. Right. Just scare your... You're doing a sparring round

while giving birth. She did not have time to feel any pain. No, she literally did it. She was busy. She was booked and she was busy. You're in the delivery room and you're like, you're supposed to do like the breathing with the vibe. I'm on a spin bike. I'm going to scare the shit out of you. Boom.

But... What the fuck are you doing? With all of us, it shows how Ellie got immune. Because her mother obviously was bit as she was giving birth and still attached to the umbilical cord so there was some blood transfer that that that the cordyceps Ellie's always been infected basically is the short story of it is she was always infected and the way that it was told in this podcast I reference you guys have the podcast is so good

who's on the podcast it's the the host is Troy Baker who's the guy who plays Joel in the video game so James then it's Neil Dresman who is the president of the video game company that created the last of us so he created the video game and then it's the showrunner of the show Craig Mason they're probably way more credited to be podcasting about I mean they created it but we're like holy shit but um basically it the way that that blood transfer works is I think again it is explained yeah is that since she always had corticeps infection in her blood. Basically if she

got infected again, which as she did basically the cortisol that's already in her is like, we're good, we already got her covered, move on. Yeah, it tricks how does it say it tricks the cordyceps into thinking she's cordyceps, yeah. So we now found out that she's not

you know, resistant to all fungi. No. And her mother was a firefly, question mark. Yeah. And it was a firefly because Marlene then comes in. Yeah. And So she's not resistant to athlete's foot or yeast infections. Right. So we learned that.

Something we thought would have been cool. Yeah. Wouldn't that be crazy? Wouldn't it be crazy if she? She's just like antifungal in always. But, um, so Marlene comes in. So then you can kind of assume that her mom was a firefly. And then she's like, you know, one lies to her, lies to Marlene and is like, I got bit

after she was born. Yeah. two is like you need to take Ellie and and basically says give her to someone who can't take care of her. So he's not, she's not directly putting it on Marlene. She's just saying like find someone who will take care of her. Yeah. And the third and final request, which may be the craziest or most sad out of all three, please kill me. Yeah.

Because you see her leg when by the time Marlene gets there, she's already in the late stages of about to be infected. and she's like just end it now like just shoot me and marlene obviously is like her best friend from childhood and is like i can't do that like you're my best day why would i do that like i would rather just leave the house and have you turn infected or kill yourself yeah and then she walks out and bang done which is i don't know if i could do that i mean that's the only way to do it just like no big deal just got to take out this clicker that's tough i know so then you cut to what you were just talking about so basically we see how ellie becomes immune and we see her base her origin story yeah we still haven't seen her kill her uh kill riley yet we won't but we get that story as well

we do get that story but we never see it that was never mentioned I feel like that's going to be a flashback soon Like her killing Riley That would be interesting That would be interesting Like when she We got to find out more about when she found out she was immune That's a yeah like how she

Yeah well I'm Okay we'll get there But I So then we cut to their walking somewhere I think they Salt Lake City And Ellie is

Abysmally quiet Yeah And Joel is trying to cheer her up saying, oh, I found this chef Boyardee. I found this game called Boggle. Have you ever played Boggle? And Ellie is obviously traumatized from what she had to go through with David. Yeah.

And you're like, was Ellie going to be, one is Ellie going to be herself again? Two, is Ellie going to be able to perform to the best of her abilities in a life or depth situation like she has been? If put it up to it again. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, does she still have those, like, cunning abilities? So they're walking through And then you see the giraffe

Yeah, called it I called it that there'd be wild animal Exotic animals running around Would it probably be more likely it was going to be predators Like giraffes, where are they? At that point they're in Salt Lake City But people are like, how did giraffe get there? Zoos, babe

Yeah, we talked about this in the last one Like, why aren't there more exotic animals running around Here we are. There's more tigers and lions in Texas than the rest of the world. So why I'm, like, I think it would be more realistic, like, a tiger or lion attack occurs than, like, I think a lion or tiger would survive better in that post-apocalyptic world than a giraffe. Yeah, but I also think that if, like, based on that climate or, again, if they're in Salt Lake City, then it's going to get real chilly. But it's the, it's the spring. and there's greenery everywhere.

But those giraffes, there was a breeding population of giraffes for 20 years. Right. That means. Right. Which I don't think is, like, I mean, think about how many humans there are and probably, I have a feeling that, like, the lions and tigers could eat cordyceps. Like. And it'd be fine.

Yeah. Have we seen any corticeps animals? Is that a thing? No, remember I googled it last extra dose? And we were like, it doesn't affect them the same way. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, the monkeys didn't have cordyceps either. Right, exactly.

Yeah. So I think that is a glimpse into Ellie is still Ellie in there. It'll just take some time to get it back. Yeah. Because she's like, oh, this is so fucking cool. Like, she, I think if it were pre-David, she would have been freaking out. Yeah. But she just doesn't have that capability right now to show emotion like that.

Which I just loved that draft moment. That was really sweet. Also, I saw a picture that it was actually, like, real giraffe, like, that they used a real giraffe. It looked pretty CGI. I thought so, too, but then I saw a picture of behind the scenes, and they were with a legit giraffe. That might be photoshop. I probably spiced it up. I mean, you see how long giraffe tongues are.

Isn't that wild? I fed a giraffe, like at the zoo. Yeah, giraffes are wild. Oh, yeah, I always see those videos of people like. Yeah, and you give them the lettuce. A little celery or something. Yeah. Drafts are chill.

I was at the Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago a couple months ago, and they had giraffes, like, inside. Yeah, it's probably too cold. No, but, like, in a way that I didn't think giraffes could be inside, not in, like, a little enclosure. It was, like, a stable. Like, it was like they were just kind of, I don't know, like hanging out. Now I'm forgetting exactly, like, what it would be, like, called, but it was, like... They hang out in stables. Do they?

Yeah, I mean, when you're dealing with, giraffes are just basically like long-necked livestock. So you can keep them. They get aggressive though, don't they? And then they like use their neck. Against male to male during mating season. But like they're just a lot of zoos. I mean, a lot of those animals are same like, you know,

like a hoof-toed creatures that are kind of a lot like other hoof-toed creatures. Like there's not that much difference between the temperament of a, you know a giraffe and a cow in a way just they're shaped different and they lived in different places but they just want to do the same thing graze do drafts have milk yeah really yeah so like i don't know if i believe you so they're like happy they're happy just like eat hay inside just like a cow they're chilling yeah do giraffs produce milk actually i think there's some yeah they do they do produce milk i think there's I think this is pretty cute videos of, like, giraffe standing up for the first time. Oh, so cute.

Just to nurse off their tall ass. Because their little legs are like, they can't stand yet. Oh, this is, okay, this is from six years ago. This article, but is giraffe milk the new superfood? Oh. Grow big and tall. Interesting. It's rich in vitamin A and B12.

I have a very high deficiency of B12. Anyways, getting back to. Getting back to. Have you taken B12 shots? Yeah. Like injected? Yes, shots. They buzz you the fuck out.

I just started taking B12 like vitamins. I take that every morning. Turns your piss fluorescent green. I also didn't have that same reaction. Don't athletes do that? We're not taking enough. Really? Do athletes do that, Billy?

Yeah, yeah. I take B12 a B12 supplement every day. So do I. If it's not turning, if you're not looking at your piss and be like, oh my God, I'm so dehydrated, you're not getting enough. I like, you got to go overboard with it. I'm like really, I'm really, really low in it. And I, that, so I went to the doctor. I had to get, like, blood panel.

And then they were like, girl, you'd have no B12, got a B12 shot, and then... Do you just feel like, woo? No, I felt really no different. Because you had none before. Because I had none, so it's... But you exercise on it, you feel better. Really?

Okay, see, I take my B12 after I've exercised. You should take it before, like, every morning. I take, I took it this morning. I just do, I exercise and then I take my supplements, which also, quick side note, I'm taking that L carnitine. Yeah, that shit. Do I have to take that before I exercise? Because I do it after exercise, too.

You should be taking everything, what I do when I'm... It's so early when I work out and I don't want to do all that. Yeah. I mean, you could. I mean, I take it with my pre-workout in the morning. Then I get my workout done. I also don't use pre-workout. Yeah.

That has a lot of B-12. Really? All of those have B-12. You should try it. C-4. Amazing. I would use C-4. Actually, right there, it probably has enough B-12.

But I'm thinking of dosing, of dosing myself, like double-dosing by B-12. 100%. The worst thing that happens is I pee it out? Yeah, you pee it out in. Once you know that you're, like, because your body's absorbing all the B12. The only way you know you have enough B12 is if you start peeing out B12 because your body is like, but how do I know if I'm peeing out B12 is because it turns like highlight or yellow and you're like, oh my God, I have radioactive piss.

I feel like that's not good though. No, no, but it's really cool because like it's really fun because like, you're like, I'm glowing. Because like I'm peeing in the urinal and I'm like, oh yeah, look that B12. It's just like fluorescent. Because what is B12? And then someone like, like, let's say the urinal. doesn't flush and someone goes in behind he's like what the fuck's going on with your piss are you okay bro like what the hell can i ask a weird question what when you're peeing in a urinal

doesn't it all just like go down the drain immediately but sometimes it's like a little bit of backed up people are spings in and gum in there um wait so what does b12 give me energy yeah okay so we'll get back to the last of us in a second so if i don't have a be a lot of b12 i I tend to go 100 to zero at night and I'll be wide awake and then I'll pass out Is that a B12 thing? I don't know Like if I don't have enough B12

I can't slow down My Let's look at B12 You know what I mean Like I'll fall asleep with the lights on On top of my covers a lot Oh red blood cells It's red blood cell production

When B12 is low Numness, muscle weakness Confusion Hmm Definitely get your B12 up You should be taking enough B12 where you're like, oh, my God, Billy was right. My piss is a highlighter. See, those high levels of vitamin B12 can be a sign of liver disease.

Okay, well, I guess. Yeah. I guess if I'm processing it. But I guess if I'm inserting it into my body, like it's not like my body's producing it. Yeah. High doses of B12, such as those used to treat a deficiency might cause headache, nausea, and vomiting, and diarrhea. Well, anyways, yeah, I'm really, really low in B12. I think a lot of women are that and iron

anyways back to the last of us I mean that was a pretty good segue a little segue way so medical talk Joel gets knocked out by the way them being totally them not seeing those guys behind them well it's because they were talking about Joel attempting suicide and then Ellie is the one that healed his heart that's such a nice moment

and then it's like they're going to be together forever and then they get ripped apart like 40 minutes later or 40 seconds later it goes back to how Joel doesn't have his fastball anymore right I saw something and I don't know if it was real but they were coming at him from the side that he's deaf on because as soon as he was like you know I'm the one that shot and missed

ugh so sad and they never like would really say I love you or like you know I'm glad you're here but he'll be like it isn't because she's like oh this is just a lesson to say that time heals all wounds he's like it's not time that did it like they're so beat around the bush with their affection for each other like it's not the time

that did it and then it's like obviously it's Ellie and then she's like well I'm I'm glad that guy missed like they can't be so direct with each other and then I thought that was like a really sweet moment and then immediately it turns into just absolute anarchy

so then they get knocked out with what's that what's that thing called like a like a something grenade oh flashbang flashbang um and then you wake up and ellie's in surgery oh he's about to be in surgery so basically he deduces that okay so i actually have a strong stance to take here okay well okay we need to we need to see our moral compass on this one both both you and i what's your take i think it was a little so basically Joel goes nuts because he thinks that they're basically going to sacrifice Ellie. Well, not basically they are.

But they don't know that. Like brain surgery occurs. But he was like cortisps goes in the brain. Like Marlene lays it out for him that Ellie's dead. Or Ellie will be dead. Anyway, I don't think that justifies committing a mass shooting basically. He commits a fucking mass shooting.

That whole scene, like honestly, I think it's just our day and age and what we've you know, like been living through. But like that whole action scene like yeah it makes sense in a video game and I get guess it but like that whole time just seeing a guy shoot up a hospital like literally level a hospital like gives me like shooting doctors nurses gives me major like mass shooting vibes and I'm just like well if one person's death justifies that I don't know it I just didn't it didn't the scene didn't rub off on me well because I was

like this guy just commit and now we're like it's not even about saving humanity just it just kind of was like the whole time I couldn't enjoy it's like this is a mass shooting so yeah so you're correct that that was a mass shooting and he's basically just getting rid of everyone in ellie but he's i'll be a joel apologist he's getting rid of everyone in his way to get to ellie no matter what that takes and you hear the music the music is louder than the gunshots in that moment and it's like he is not thinking correctly he's not thinking rationally he has not thinking rationally he has like a one track mind and anything in his way will be obliterated um so they just need to make the other people look a little more evil like i needed a little more i don't know you needed a reason for them

to be dead they probably made it they made it obvious but like they needed to make joel seem a little bit more like the good guy in those situations well i don't think he i think that's you shoot the nurses no so here here here here so he shoots every single person that's armed he's he's doesn't shoot the nurses because they are obviously scared and terrified and they're the ones that can like get out like that he's like take the IV out of Ellie and they're not armed so they turn around he doesn't shoot them they're also women I need to you know he did shoot another woman though I did see yeah um but he anyone is armed because it's not like he can show mercy to them because what if he's like okay I won't shoot you

They're still armed. They are still a threat to him, whether or not they would actually kill him or, you know, stand in his way. They are still a threat to him because they are armed. So he levels the hospital. Then he goes in the surgeon, like in the process of putting Ellie to sleep, the surgeon has a scalpel, which what, I mean, what are we doing here, buddy? Surgeon has a scalpel. He's dead. He's gone.

Goodbye. Which I get why he killed him. Obviously, he's the one that would have ultimately killed Ellie. Yeah. But if anyone wants to find a cure, the guy who was kind of in charge of that whole ordeal, which I'm assuming was that surgeon, dead. So that's tough.

But then I found it interesting that he was like, again, he's committing a mass shooting. And then he's like, take Ellie's. IV out and put a bandage over it like her little IV wound like he's like nothing can hurt Ellie yeah so then we find Marlene so he gets Ellie out and you find we find Marlene I don't I okay let's let's debate do you agree with what what Joel did not the mass shooting part but his his essence yeah I just I didn't like how this like it was like you know depicted because I don't know it also you have to remember though it's a video game too yeah so that like Like, it's like, it's a, like I, I would play that video game.

Right, exactly. Oh, like I just killed like seven people. Right. Like, you killed the seven fireflies in your way. Like that's, you have to kind of remember that part of it too. But I don't know. I just, maybe that didn't translate well to TV. But I think it wasn't realistic that she had to die.

Like, for example, they're collecting samples from the cordyceps. They could have, like, they could have even taken a giant syringe and just like taken a laparoscopic sample because if the cortisept you also you can't make a vaccine for a fungal infection yeah people aren't talking about that enough i think they were like trying to like get the good fungus and then just inject the good fungus into everybody so that they can have their brains trick all the other fungus into thinking it's corticeps right well i i agree i agree with joel i don't think because ellie didn't get to choose and i know ellie would have chosen to sacrifice herself

if you were 14 and the fate of the world was in your hands like you aren't equipped to make that kind of decision no one's equipped to make that kind of decision yeah and so I think not telling her

because Marlene's like you know or Joel says you didn't give her that decision and it's not up to you to make and she said it's not up to you to make either but Marlene truly doesn't know Ellie yeah

you know and first person never hold her well besides her mom true but yeah like marlene has this sense of care over ellie but ellie or she doesn't know her and so i think also if you think that the fireflies creating this cure and they would do all good with it you're ridiculous you've you don't think they would hoard that or sell it for some some i guess money isn't really a thing there anymore but some sort of resources like you're ridiculous if you think they'd be like oh here here's the like saving world grace vaccine like no big guys here you go like no so i think joel doing or saving her is the right choice again let me know if you disagree but but then afterwards he doesn't tell her what happens which and he also kills marlene which like i guess

it but like I don't know she would come and get him yeah but again it feels like then at that point you're like killing off people you might need in the future I get and I don't know I didn't and I didn't play the game I mean I feel like every single person on planet earth outside of the situation besides the viewers would be like what the fuck why we could have we could have saved humanity and you're we could have gone back to civilization right but here we are you had to have your not even daughter like your cargo like you got attached to the cargo

you got attached to the cargo but I don't know and then yeah she wakes up and he lies and this is I mean like how are they supposed to go back to Wyoming and be like oh what happened oh they tried didn't work

they had other people didn't work probably just like that yeah like oh it didn't work I mean who knows the who knows the secret then so if Joel Joel and also his brother are the only ones you know what secret the secret that she's immune oh i think mer did maria find out

not sure um is that it is that really it yeah everyone at the fireflies died test dies i mean uh the nurses yeah i guess the nurses the nurses now but there's not a form of mass communication so i feel like the nurses might you know i feel like the nurses might you know i feel like Every armed guard in that setup is dead. Actually, you know, the guys who captured them weren't killed. The guys who captured them and hit them with a flashbang. They're definitely going to be characters coming after him. You think?

Yeah. Might even be the brother, I don't know, maybe stereotyping. I just remember Joel didn't kill any black people and the guys who found them were black. I don't know. So I think, and is that, what's your face is brother? Marlene? Is that Marlene's brother? I don't think so.

I think you're stereotyping. We might have to cut this. I think you're chariotic. But, yeah, he tells the lie. And I think, I mean, Ellie's smart. I think she immediately knows that that's not true. Yeah, it's just like, don't ask that tell. Yeah.

And then they get to the hike. And again, she finally works up the courage to be like, please tell me everything. is true what you said and he says i swear and then she says okay but it's it's it's you could take it a different way of okay like i believe you or okay like i i have i don't believe you and everything from here on will be different uh yeah dukes has not seen the last episode of the last of us has he watched the rest of them yeah oh he can't come in here right now yeah he cannot come on We would ruin that for him. He loves a TV show.

But she knows. Oh, should we get Dugues' take before seeing the last episode and then we move on? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell him come down. PMT Studio. Let's just see what he thinks about everything. Yeah, let's see what he's predicting. And then, you know, that's kind of, that's where we leave them.

I mean, what do you think? This is my favorite season of television I've ever watched in my entire life, and I will die on that hill. I love this show. There's a couple. I think first couple seasons of Walking Dead, same vibe. This one's different because I think it is more pertinent to current reality.

Right. I think this one's hitting harder because of the pandemic. My guy. What's up? Dukes coming into the studio. Dukesie. But you definitely should check out Breaking Bad. Oh, sorry, McKenzie.

Do we have to do some camera work? No, no. No, it's all good. It's already on it. Hi, Dukes. what's up people hi okay so dugs is here if you don't know dugs he's on pick him check him out on he's on he's on sportsbook yeah yeah yeah he sits right in front of me at work um we're just mackenzie's just joined macrodosing so yeah i'm kevin so we were recounting our escape from

philadelphia oh right yeah that parking garage stuck in for four hours trapped yeah that was legitimately nightmare fuel the best is the video you he you sent him, we're like, get a video of like, what's happening because you walked back down the parking garage and wasn't like his commentary in the background of it the whole time being like, dude, what's going on? Literally trapped. But we just, we're doing a last of us recap. Yeah.

I heard you haven't seen the last one yet. I haven't saving it. Dude, for what? So I couldn't watch it Sunday. Okay. Monday. I was like, all right, like, I don't have the brain power to kind of like watch. You have to put yourself in the right.

Say it a mind. You don't want to like, just like watch it. You need to like watch it. So then I was going to do it last night, how to work the stream. So I'm prepared for tonight. Just going into it, what are your thoughts? Yeah, what are your thoughts in season? What are your hottest takes?

And what do you think is going to happen? Look, I'm going to say it. It's kind of predictable. I love the show, like top to bottom, but I kind of feel confident I know it's going to happen. Okay. Ellie's dead. Like, she's going to get infected. I'm not even making eye contact with them because I don't want to know.

But I think she's 100% infected. Well, she is infected. We've known this the whole time. Yes, yes, yes. But I'm saying she's going to be... Oh, you think she's going to get like... Hair coming out of her mouth. She's going to be one...

Seriously. Oh, yeah. She's going to be a zombie. So she... They said there was something in episode, I want to say, seven when she was with Riley, that they said, like, you know, sooner or later it all comes for us. Like, sooner or later, like, some people get, in fact, like... Two hours and two seconds, two hours.

So, like, hers just might be delayed, like, a year or something. Like, and... eventually i don't know if it's this episode i don't know if it's season two i don't know if it's season three whatever she is going to be a zombie i love that take of you saying it's predictable and that's your reasoning because in my brain it's predictable that like ellie and joel will always survive that was like how i thought it would be predictable because it's like what you can't continue to show without ellian joel so one of my things that like i really like i won't say anything i love like even like game if you just listen and you watch with close captionings

and you just listen to what they're saying they tell you what's going to happen that's my thing TV shows they'll always tell you you just have to catch the hints okay did you think there was a clicker in the beginning of episode eight episode eight when she's hunting for the deer did you hear that noise if you're watching with subtitles actually let's see if it's on twitter wait so the second's last episode yeah the one with david and the cult cannibals oh did you not see this no no i i have i have no he I'm trying to think No Wait

What clicker So basically When she's hunting for the deer The ant I Oh right I was antler rattling But if you look at the close captioning It goes clicker

Yes yes yes yes So that could Maybe that'll turn in something for episode nine There was also like the That episode I thought was predicted Like you knew Like I knew Don't tell me you could predict like

Oh no no no no you can we can pull owen in here and he could tell you that i i said like or no what i wasn't with owen but it was with somebody else i said exactly what was going to happen really exactly how it went down like i was like she's going to be able to save herself but like the whole thing how like she was able to physically save herself and you showed how powerful ellie is and how strong she is but then how joel was there to save her emotionally was so powerful and strong i know that i'm not that Like, I'm not like, like, for people that do know me, I don't, not like that smart. When it comes to TV, I'm like very passionate.

Well, and I was telling, telling people before, you and I discuss Outer Banks as if it is the most high quality television. Outer Banks is just lifetime television for like 19 year old dudes that like, yeah, it's like the Hallmark chair. Yeah, it's a hallmark from 19 year old dudes that like beer and boobs. Like this is so simple. And me, apparently. Yeah, well.

Oh, I love that too. Love beer and boobs, my two face. but I I'm I want to revisit this obviously we sit next to each other but I want to talk to you after you watch the last one because I want you I want to see what your reaction to it is

so I also think and I'm there's also a move for avoiding spoilers for this long yeah and one of the yeah I've really spoiled lunch like you have like you I muted everything on Twitter oh okay I was going to say like you but also one of my one of my predictions based off this also

is if if you know like If X equals Y and all that, B.S. If Ellie dies, we are going to be introduced to a new character. Okay. Like a new Ellie kind of? I mean, or a new. I also, there's one that, like, I haven't been able to, like, publicly say yet, but, like, I'll say. We're here.

This isn't, like, on, like, public airways or anything. So I'm not afraid to say it. Are Joel and Ellie going to bang at some point? Oh, my God. Like, you know what? I. Don't say that. I agree with you.

No, it's like... Oh my God, she's 14. Yeah, I know, but like, here's what I'll say. People that have watched Game of Thrones, like, people... This is HBO. This is HBO. Like, let's not act like the king of war. Like, they almost had Ellie graped on television.

Dude, they literally, yeah. Thank you, dudes. I needed someone to... If she, like, goes to... You just needed someone to say it? No, but like, this is going to get... Like, they showed graphic depictions of violence and manipulative death, cannibalism.

Yeah. You're saying that them... This is where we draw the... This is where we, yeah, like, I don't think there's been any relations on the show yet. No. Well, here's, here's the other thing is, yeah. So if they go through the years, have you guys seen Game of Thrones? No.

Like with, like, Aria. All right. Well, Aria is like a, like, it starts off as like a 10 year old character. And then by the end of it, she's 14. Is that Sophie Turner? No, it's the other one. Oh, Maisie Williams. Yeah.

So she's like 21 in the last season and she's 14 in the show. It's a weird concept, but like, people wanted to, like, people were like kind of rooting for it because it's a fuck up shot. Well, I think Ellie might be lesbian. Yeah. Well, her and Riley. Yeah. That's good point. Yeah. Oh, no. This is where it gets even. You want to see. Like, I want you to take. Thank God.

Like Joel. Joel like makes it advance and she's like, no, no, no. I'm gay. You're my dad. I can't wait to see. Because like, they're going to come back to the Riley and Ellie storyline again. Because they haven't showed like, okay. So I think that also, wow, the theories are spinning. Like that's three big kids. Three big

Ket blends in and I'm spinning around. When is the last time, like, Joel's got neat. Joel has needs. And also, Elie is going to kill Riley. Like, they're going to show that. Like, they're going to think about it, Riley. They're both together waiting for each other. Yeah, right?

And they're, um, yeah. Not a spoiler, but they don't, they don't show anything in the last episode. I will say that. Don't say anything. I know. I like when people are like, I'm not going to spoil anything, but this isn't what happens. Don't say anything. Okay.

Sorry, I'll shut the fuck up Okay, Ellie and Joel Bang in the last episode That would You were right Now like in my head Like I'm gonna be watching this And I'm gonna be like

Oh my god No, I think there's just too much of a father-daughter relationship going on And he sees her as Sarah Yeah, but if time, we don't know How many years are gonna pass Like what if she turns like That's one fair point

Okay, but like season one What if he's a groomer? If he was a groomer, he would have raped her in fucking Boston Whoa, groomers don't rape Groomers wait Grim. Oh, Grim is Grim.

They play the long game. Yeah. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. David is a graper. Yeah. Yeah, he is. Yeah.

But that was an intense episode. I, like, that was probably the most emotional for me. I think people would say episode three. Episode three, I cried in episode five when Henry and Sam die. Yeah. Predictable. Yeah, but still. I like it.

I like it were also saying, like, predictable, when it's literally a video game. that you could play and see the story like fall out yeah exactly like we can go see exactly what happens if we go play this video game like you guys are like what's your predictions like you can just get anybody that's played the video game like tell me what's going to happen yeah i can just go look right now yeah yeah no it's the okay the joll and ellie take it's your take i won't say no it's just it's just would you be like i don't know i also like i think i'm with billy on this like i just think that hbo is more fucked up than we're giving them credit for that's like i don't I kind of think of the worst.

It's not like I want that. Yeah, it's not like if it was on any other channel, I'd be like no way. I'd be like no way. But it's HBO. So I'm like, there's got to be a sick twister turn at something. Yeah,

I mean, it's supposed to like the collapse of civilization, anything goes. Like we know, you know, Joel is so genuine. Everyone loves him for like this protecting, like figure like the only good in the world.

And the reason why he's so good to Ellie is because of the loss of his daughter and his, you know, trauma. And that's why he's doing all. this and he's connected but like you know there there's other evil shit he could easily go evil we've seen him do a way like i don't know about that uh uh no i don't uh close you close your close your ears well he he kills a lot of people yeah no so what what you know that you he publicly says that he's he's like he's like i've done a lot of fucked up like i wouldn't be

surprised if he in his past had committed some sort of non consensual act well outside of the QZ. Like, let's be real here. I'm with, Billy. I'm with you. Like, interesting. And also, we don't know. Like, okay, if the whole show takes apart in like two years and she's at

16 years old, yeah, we could throw out the, like, them getting married, them, like him trying to make an advancement on her out the window. If this is like a five year, like, an extended period plot. If she grows up, okay. I'm just seeing it as. She's lesbian right now. Yeah. But like, come on, it's

2003. I mean, how old is it in the QZ? 2003 also? Progressive. I mean, she could be fluid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can't, again, this is HBO. Again, so they're going to be progressive a little bit. Yeah. Like, they're, we have to keep everything on the table right now. Okay. I'm firmly placing Joel and Ellie on the table. Okay. Do you ship them? Ship them what? Like, oh, I ship. Oh, no, no, no. No, I don't. You don't want it, but you just think it'll happen. yeah it's just you know people there's safe takes and then there's takes you gotta throw out there

to like be like and that's you two specialty yeah like there's a i'm throwing a take out there like if it doesn't happen forget i ever said this right yeah we'll delete this yeah yeah yeah at least i don't like say to anybody besides you guys right yeah no no it's fine i mean we're not talking microphones for any specific reason or anything no um how have you been liking the first season so far up up until the last episode it's amazing i've never had a show start this hot like pull pull on my emotions like this like the second to last episode the one that i got left off with really like pulled to my strings the third one was kind of funny so the third like bill and frank bill and frank i had i was talking about a great episode of television i knew going in

someone was like some i heard someone on like twitter be like oh like there's like a lot of like like gay scenes in there and just like watching it back i kept thinking that joel was going to be the one to be gay yes oh yes so i was wait i didn't even think that bill and frank would exist you thought it was just going to be joll and lover watching back like they're hanging out all the time and i'm like this isn't it it's not them yeah it's joel and bill joel is going to come yeah like when they're at their house for the dinner party yes let's go yes let's go inside yeah even like after they kiss and everything i'm like so when is joel get into this mix right but what i love about this show compared to other like zombie apocalypse stuff and other

like you know after civilization ends movies that they explain a lot more of stuff that's pertinent like gay people still exist after it all goes Ellie gets a diva cup yeah didn't know that existed you didn't know diva cups existed as like a whole well life no I just I just saw her grab the tampons in the 7-11 and get excited I was like yeah what the hell is she doing like when she didn't have tampons like what like let me what were they doing without tampons back in like the 1600s I don't know sitting on what were they doing what were they doing sitting on a rag that's such a funny concept

we're going to exchange dinosaur facts yeah yeah for tampon facts yeah but the diva cup like yeah they do explain more I also like that it's like real real and you don't you really just the zombie quote unquote

is just not that important of a part I think the coolest part about the entire show is how they refuse to call them zombies and they call them infected. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's one of like the most under like appreciated things because they're not. Because I hate calling it a zombie show because it's not.

It's not. It's like it really like it's kind of like when people say this, I know this might not make sense. It's going to come across to you, but like how he likes like Spider-Man. Like they're like, yeah, like Spider-Man is not real. But like I can understand the concept of like a infected like spider biting you and then like that all happening. Right.

Like it adds up in your brain. Yeah, the math adds up. The math is there. Yeah. but like that's kind of like this like infected like the infected like yeah like they they explained it well enough where it makes sense they set it up so well in the first episode that cold open where they're in like that 1960s talk show and so you're like oh i know exactly how this happened like it's not like and then they set it up with like that flower mill in Jakarta like it's not like um i don't know like how does the walking dead like how does it happen in the walking dead um like how does it start uh like a bunch of homeless like a bunch of homeless people start biting people and it just occurs over it actually don't really explain it right like you don't know

I clearly know exactly how well the thing is how this how this cordyceps infected and it's so possible and it's so possible because literally fucking Wuhan like the virus let's go let's go we've confirmed that we've confirmed like like a lab

I mean like a sugar storage facility in Indonesia getting contaminated with fungus is something we all like we all have fucking mold growing in our showers yeah I do and fungus

yeah I do fungus is crazy like I thought one of the coolest parts about the entire like fungus first off is like people talk about them being like nuts and like I listen to enough Joe Rogan shows because I'm a white 20 year old man and like they talk about like fungus and how smart they are

and how interconnected they are when they talk about like if you touch one part of the fungi like two miles away yeah like that that stuff is so interesting to me. But also there's been sort of a fun, like everyone's talking about shrooms, fungus, like the medical benefits, like what fungus can do as like a tool.

You're definitely talking about it. Yeah, but like Joe Rogan, whatever. But like seeing fungus is something like not only can it, you know, help your mental health, like help you get gains. Like we actually from Jake Plummer, we were getting cordyceps. Like cordyceps helps you like can help your performance. That's why the, that's why the, that's why. the infected are like so strong

because they're just getting massive gains once they get infected. So that's how I love chocolate. So we know that and there it is like it can also do something bad like it does it in nature. Too much of any thing is a bad thing. And it does it in nature. Like this is so possible like

the possibility of this happening I think really touch and I don't think this TV show would work any like it wouldn't have worked before the pandemic. No I just just going to say that. I like how they really were like this isn't a virus. Yeah. Like how they like this isn't a virus.

Like we don't need a vaccine. You can't do a vaccine. You can't make a vaccine. Yeah. That lady that like when they were speaking the other language. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That. Yeah. What she said, she said drop a bomb whenever made you said. I was like, oh my God. You bad bitch. Like that's that's an evil world out there. Do you think she was infected because I saw a theory that she was in that restaurant when they found her?

and she was like eating dumplings or something but maybe she didn't eat the dumplings yet I know but do you think why would the dumplings matter flour? The flour okay I mean and she's like and she's freaking the fuck out obviously she has to have have the whole world get bombed but like actually so since I

started watching I stopped watching the Walking Dead because it got really bad yeah I got really bad so they've actually unveiled how the virus happens so according to the smoking man is it a virus in the Walking Dead or is it just get a vaccine I mean yeah yeah So France

Wait You know what it would be kind of funny If like could you imagine like An escape from a virus from France Could you imagine like a zombie apocalypse like broke out Like in a virus form And we still had like anti-vaxxers Just like man

I'm not shooting my kid up with me What if it turns into zombies? Yeah what if he turns infected No but The MRI stuff they're definitely going to be using On cancer soon which I'm all four I mean, that's how to get here? That's what's happening.

No, but there's no, you know what's going to happen. The first thing is like, we shouldn't kill the zombies. They can be cured. Like, and then they're going to like, that's what, that's what it really would be. It wouldn't be at the first start. It would be like, don't kill them. They're just sick. And then they put them all in like hospitals.

And then they all just break out. And then it's like, the lives. In my, the lives kept the zombies on. It's super right way. Yes. Yes. I was I was thinking in my brain when I oh shoot I can't say anything sorry yeah don't say I do like this there's still like politics behind like the last of us

I like that's what I'm like like yeah like I like what you exactly what you're saying yeah the fireflies yeah they're the cult the cults the cults the cults like and that's like what I'm like the cult got me excited for all the possibilities of what really like could happen in like the later seasons and that's the worst part about tv shows nowadays is that like now i get away like two years yeah it takes so long right especially with like HBO shows like like like euphoria i like i'm like oh yeah we're never gonna get you four yeah yeah what happened they should like have them banked before they put one out right because like i don't mind week by week i like i like that gives me something to do look forward to like wait a year and a half and we get to tell you

how to finish then i forget what happened and they do the recap but i'm like i still have no idea what happened. No, then they introduced, yeah. Like, I don't know what I ate yesterday for long. Yes, exactly. Right. Like, Succession is starting up next weekend. I could, I don't remember. all I remember of how season three ended is that last scene. I don't remember like anything from season three. Then Casey Smith was in one of the episodes. That's all I remember. I got to go watch season three again. But no, it's going to take so long too because that show is so advanced in how they like make things. Like, I mean. Right. Like all the effects and. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Like, those clickers do not take a short time to get those prosthetics on.

Yeah. Those clickers, I mean, the big clicker. Also, yo, when are we going to see? Wait, no, don't tell me now. No, it doesn't. When are we going to see him again? The big, the big bloater. Yeah.

Literally, like, shit my pants when I saw him. Because it's just like what else is out there. It's the fear of the unknown that they do really, really well. I was telling Billy this earlier in the episode of like in the cold episode when she's literally clobbering David. like it's not like they show david it's like that that your mind is like making things up of like what he could possibly look like and that's almost scarier because you're like oh my god what would even look like in that state and he's getting burnt to a crisp like that's so gross but you don't even see it it's like it's like your mind is making things up and tricking you and it's

like your mind can go to like what else is out there what do what do those more bloters look like what do other like cult like civilizations look like what what's out there like i i could have like a 10 million season show about just the cults the cults i kind of like yeah it's like should we do that i i need i honestly i need another cult to come in my life in the show like in the last of us yeah but what would you want the cult to be like i kind of liked it's fucked up but like i kind of liked david as a character as a character he's a great character i love characters that i fucking despise yeah

like characters that i feel very strong he does so well and making you want to hate his guts. Yeah, like, he made me, like, he made my skin crawl. Like, the sociopathic tendencies that he showed where he was so nice, how he wanted to be like a, like, when he hit that girl that's father died. Yeah. I jumped. I jumped.

I, I, that was one of the scariest parts because he comes out of nowhere. Then sat down with them. He, like, levels with you. When he helped her, that I explained David properly. Slopter. Bitch, also. Slaps her silly. And then that was such a bitch slaps her.

Yeah. He backhands her. Yeah. That was such like abusive father move. Yeah. That like that's like then sit like like like the like beating a dog but a dog still falls its master like shows it like hate like totally hurt than love that like fucked up situation like holy fuck.

And then he's like you'll always have a father. Yeah. And then like when he was when he was the thing. What do you say to Ellie when he was he was trying to graper? It was like... Why are you saying grape? I don't like to say, like... Okay.

Rape just like... It's a gross word. It just comes across... Gross. Yeah, it's just a very strong word. Honestly, the same point, putting the G in front makes it worse. Because it makes me think of that fucking video. I'm sorry, I'm just gonna keep that great for the video.

I don't know what you're saying. But so when he was on top of him, he's like, I like the fear in your eyes. I like when I like... The fighting is the best part. The fighting is the best part. I was like... Bro! If she, if they were.

you don't think he didn't he didn't right rape her yeah no yeah she's a strong girl yeah yeah that was stupid question by me no but do you think he was gonna try okay so when when he's when he has her pinned down like that when the whole room is burning up do you think he would try to not kill her in that moment so he could then you should do it in the fire building no no no no no no but do that a little bit later you think what you do it right there right

No no no get out of the fire But then be like you're mine now bitch The non-contensual sexual act Yeah Yeah that would I mean obviously that was happening That was happening in the fire I don't think he was so

He's so screwed up That he didn't care If that's where he died to If there's a fire Jesus Is he thinking of like Doing it right there and then And then

I think he had one goal to have her be the child bride Yeah I think he was more looking for Child bride Of course child bride But the companionship You could tell that he saw her as an equal

That could intellectually stimulate Yeah but she's 14 I know I know And he was a teacher Defeats the purpose If they both die I don't know Yeah

Yeah I'd like to look at his history I'd like to look at Definitely I'd like to look at those county records Yeah I'd like to look at his county records Little Pittsburgh sexual offenders list Maybe

Oh my God could you yeah that's also a crazy part about like the apocalypse like sexual sexual offenders are still running around pedophiles they become zombies too oh i mean erin rogers i think officially to the jets oh i think officially to the jets really hold on let's see wait let me just see i would love if this was on camera yeah officially to the jets seriously yep fuck yes fuck yes did he announce on yeah on that other show that we don't talk about that i've been watching this whole time, yes. Since Friday, my intention was to play

and play for the New York Jets. Oh, my God, Billy. Wizard of New York. Get your t-shirts. 404 not found. Can make that live. Come on, come on, come on, come on. Is that live?

that's crazy congrats gregs it'll be nice dude we're going to the Super Bowl is New York gonna ruin him though yeah I might I mean Billy

I don't want to say that Billy just put out a great by like great blog checking out talking about how the New York media ruins yeah I listened to your report yeah it was a great report

and I'm just looking forward to see Aaron Rogers added to that list so we just got the Aaron Rogers news if you can't imagine I have a lot of work to do and I'm just pumped for them

and it's not officially signed. The Jets still have to figure some stuff out. But he fucking bought each after. Body chester. He was like, lose my fucking number. That's boss. That's fucking hilarious. Diana Rusini caught some flak,

said that her report was BS about him having a long laundry list of people he wants. That's kind of baller. I think this guy, he's going to war with the media and he's coming to New York with the toughest media.

And I, it's king congress godzilla. I love it. I don't even care. Like, it's, we'll see what happens. Will you fight the good fight for him? I will fight the good fight for him. Are you an Aaron Rogers guy now? I'm an Aaron Rogers guy through and through.

I'm going to go trip on Ayahuasca and just get crazy with it. I don't believe you. I won't do ayahuasca, but I'm all in on Aaron. I think he's won. Could he not only win us some games, he could also develop Zach Wilson. I love, I love how Zach Wilson got the one. Yeah, I love that. Okay.

well that was our extra dose thank you for having me on guys thank you for coming on dudes thank you mackenzie she just had to leave thanks mad dog thank you really fun hopefully you guys hopefully you guys enjoyed this little

you know this fun time we get to have maybe we'll do extra dose will take on another topic now that last of us is gone do you watch succession it's like maybe maybe dukes and I'll do

success you would like succession I do watch it but I'm just not in I need to pick up something new. I'm fucking enthralled by it. I love it. I can't wait to see who comes up on top. I know. I'm a cousin Greg Stan.

Well, thank you guys. Okay, we'll see you guys. Okay, we'll see you guys later. Love you.