Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Billy Football Has An Epiphany About Anderson Cooper | NANODOSE

Episode Date: May 2, 2023

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Starting point is 00:03:24 Congrats, Hendon. big stuff big stuff he's in a good situation for him i think because their offense is awesome jerry golf is the starter but this is the last year of jared's guaranteed contract so who knows maybe they'll re-sign jared if he has another big season but if he doesn't hinden's ready to step over and take over that offense i hope nothing but the best for jerry golf but it's a good situation for him to find himself in because their offense, I think they were they the best offense? For a while, they were the best offense in the NFL last year. Chiefs probably surpassed them at some point, but they're a really good offense and they've got some weapons.
Starting point is 00:04:04 So it'll give him some time to recover because his ACL back in shape. And yeah, he won, Billy, did he win your quarterback bracket? He did. He did. I think the combination of where he would land and drop because of the ACL injury and his innate talent was going to put him in the best scenario of any of the quarterbacks. What is the prize for winning the Billy football quarterback bracket? Bragging rights. All the other quarterbacks in the draft. Okay, cool.
Starting point is 00:04:31 I mean, he is the best one, so that makes sense. Don't ask him who has won his quarterback brackets in the past. No, I mean, Kenny Pickett won my quarterback racket in the past. That's not good. Well, he's a starter now. No one thought he was going to be. He was a draft in the first round. Everyone expected him to be a starter.
Starting point is 00:04:47 He was pretty late, but he won the starting job. Who else? Sam Malinger But he Fort string on his team now He's a big upset Okay He started in an NFL game
Starting point is 00:05:01 So Okay But again Billy Kinden's gonna surpass those two guys When you say big upset You're the one that just arbitrarily created who won and who lost So he's a big upset as an excuse
Starting point is 00:05:12 Oh I thought this was a fan vote thing No no no no no Just Billy's brain Got it just in my brain All the quarterbacks just fight it like fight each other in like the Hunger Games. Okay, that makes me feel worse about Hendon having won this.
Starting point is 00:05:27 No, no. You're just a hater. I hope, no, I hope this is the most successful Billy football quarterback bracket winner of all time. I think it will be. Where do, um, where the Hyatt go? Giants. Giants.
Starting point is 00:05:42 Brown's got Cedric Tillman. I'm very excited about that. Okay. They went back to back. Are you excited about watching Hyatt? I thought he was talented, man. how would you feel if you were a Tennessee Titans fan and you could have had Hendon that went to school just down the street and instead you went with Will Levis. All my friends,
Starting point is 00:06:03 I feel terrible for them because they, if, listen, Will Levis might be really good. I have my doubts, but maybe he's really good. But if you have two quarterbacks that are comparable in your mind, maybe they weren't. Maybe they thought Will Levis was that much. better. I don't think they did, but let's, if they're comparable, and one is going to royally piss off your fan base and the other is going to make it extremely happy, like, you should
Starting point is 00:06:32 probably take that into consideration. Yeah. Maybe, but I think also at the end of the day, like, you just have to draft the quarterback you think is going to win because your fan base is going to be very, very happy. Like, if you, if you drafted, I don't know, who. would be who's the most hated person in the world that's like if you drafted chet hayes to be your quarterback and he came in and won you a super bowl you would love chet hayes yes that's what i'm saying maybe levis plays better in the NFL than he did in college i don't know that many guys do that but uh maybe he ends up being really good i absolutely did that that's true i was i guess i'm thinking quarterbacks well we all know who's down brady did that
Starting point is 00:07:21 Tom Brady was good in college. That wasn't, that's not the premise of that. Will Love is a bad situation. If you like, he sat his bowl game and his team got absolutely like destroyed. Nobody, nobody takes, uh, anybody in the sixth round and they expect them to be a Hall of Famer. That's true, but he was like, Will Levis played pretty poorly in college. No, what I'm saying is Tom Brady played better in college. Yes, definitely way better in the NFL, obviously.
Starting point is 00:07:50 but he went from good, decent, to go. Will Levis would have to go from bad to good. Sneaky, I think Tom Brady got carried to a couple Super Bowls, but he got better with the experience and then became elite. Well, yeah, I mean, the first Super Bowl that he won, the defense was out of this world. Like, I think he also played a time where it was more schematic, and not as much of like an air raid
Starting point is 00:08:21 past first time in the NFL and then he was able to learn as it evolved and then that's why he was so good is that he like was playing at a time where it wasn't so past heavy that he was able to like get better when do you think the NFL
Starting point is 00:08:37 flipped the switch and became just a league devoted to quarterbacks and wide receivers because I my in my mind well the air raid has been around for I'm arguing this point I know, but since the air raid became so prevalent in college football, when guys like Mike Leach really transformed it,
Starting point is 00:08:55 and then those concepts started to leak into the pro game, and then they realized, oh, this can work. Because in my opinion, it was the year that Madden put the passing cone in for the quarterbacks. That's when it officially, that's when the switch flipped. And it was like, okay, it's all about the quarterback right now. It's about quarterback vision. It's right when Peyton Manning started to just light the world on fire every year. Tom Brady was awesome.
Starting point is 00:09:17 there were a couple of the quarterbacks at the time that were just like kind of they were changing the rules actually so back to Peyton Manning when the NFL changed the pass interference rules after the Patriots beat the Colts in the playoffs where they just mugged the Colts receivers every single play when they changed those rules that's when the NFL I think officially just became whichever team is better at passing is going to win the Super Bowl every year that's true when the rules changed, it did become very pass-heavy. And naturally, so it's like you, like, I remember Kube talking all the time about, like, whatever the new rule implementations are, like, don't complain about this shit. Everybody under the same rules, like, you just got to go by it. So you kind of craft your, like, the cults. We used to play the cults, right? They were designed for Peyton Manning, right? So, like, they were designed as a third day on defense, heavy passers as an edge. Everything that they were were designed for the quarterback. So you kind of just designed it around that. But what every one of those teams will tell you, every one of those coaches,
Starting point is 00:10:20 everyone, GMs, all those late weather, I mean, late season, cold weather football, it's always about running the ball and it's always about defense. If you look at autumn, Tom Brady, Super Bowls, all the Payton Man and Super Bowls, all these quarterbacks that we love, defense and running the ball won those games. All of them. I stand by that. Everybody stands by that. It's true. I hate, that's what I just hate, because, you know, being a runner back you hear that shit all the times like oh you're disposable one the rules is set up for everything in the running game to be disposable right like we don't get no protection like there's no defenseless runner there's not that shit and so it's like all the rules are set up for us
Starting point is 00:10:58 to be disposable but then all the rules are set up for the passing game to be you can't touch them right can't touch the quarterbacks ever can never touch the quarterbacks and so um but when it comes down to like late weather i mean uh late season cold weather football games it's all about the ball all the time, all the time. But also a balance of play action. Because that's about running the, that's what I'm saying. When you run the ball well, you can, you can, you can, in type, shit, Coob's office was all about play action.
Starting point is 00:11:28 Peyton Manning was too, that long zone stretch runs. That's because he had Adrian James, he had Joseph a guy, and then the Super Bowls that he won, those seasons and those runs, those stretches, it was about running the ball. Same with, same with Tom Brady. And Aryan said all that to say that drafting a running back eighth overall. is a very good decision and that a lot of people aren't talking about that. I do. And see,
Starting point is 00:11:50 that's the issue is like when you see running backs go high, people are like, oh, you could have got a minute. No, you can't. Like, when you have special talent,
Starting point is 00:11:56 like you draft special talent and it's showing every over and over again. Like, I remember there was a few drafts back when there wasn't like, I think there was maybe one quarterback taken or something like that. It's just like, if there's no talent, they're not going to draft it. If there's talent,
Starting point is 00:12:11 they're going to draft it. I think what two runnerbacks went, if I saw some tweets there. Like two running backs win the first round. You know, if you're nice, you're going to get drafted. You're going to make an impact because there's nobody in the world is going to say drafted a running back or a defensive tackle or a guard or whatever. Like, you know, these low level, which you can, with the deem low level,
Starting point is 00:12:29 or you can get, you know, for better value later on. Like, if you have somebody that can impact a game, you're going to get picked. This is what it is. Yeah, I mean, Seekwon with the Giants, that pick got roasted after a couple of years. but when Sequin's healthy, he's a different running back. And he changes the way your defense looks at the game. I still think he's the most talented running back in the NFL, even though he don't have his stats and accolades,
Starting point is 00:12:57 I stand by that. If he was to get a healthy season, if he was to get way more productive O-line, a passing game so they ain't stacking his box, he's the most talented running back in the league, in my opinion. Yeah, we're about to reach that point where running backs have become so, so disposable that there's going to be a market inefficiency where people will be like, well,
Starting point is 00:13:17 no, one team's going to say, I want to stock up on premier talent at running back, and it might make a difference. Now, it also probably depends a lot on scheme, like in the 49ers offense, which has carried over a little bit to Miami now, but in the 49ers offense, as long as you're fast and you're able to make one cut, you can get 1,000 yards in that offense. If you're a decent athlete and you don't fumble the ball you can you can make that work in that offense but i think in a lot of other well so they they've sent christian mcalfrey out there and it turns out christian mcalfrey like an incredible talent at running back in that same system is even better so even if if you have a great running back in that system it's going to it's going to magnify each other
Starting point is 00:14:02 but if you have an average running you can make an average running back good in that system you can make a great running back incredible in that system. I just disagree what it is because I was in that system, right? So I understand what that system does. And I got that critique a lot, like, oh, Aaron is just a system running back. And so if that was the case, then you would have a thousand-yard rusher in that system every single year. And that's not the case because that system isn't just run by Kyle Shanahan, right? Like, I would have to look at all the office coordinators, but like they have a tree of coaches that come from that system, right?
Starting point is 00:14:35 And so if that was the case, we would have three or four thousand yards in that system every single year. What happens is they depend on the run so much in that system. So it's not so much you can plug anybody in. It's when you're in the NFL, everybody's talented, right? So if you give guys enough opportunity, they're going to produce because they're talented. And so you hear that our system. It's like, no, you just depend on that running back. Like the bell cow running back is kind of a dime breed because they realize it's just so much wear and tired of him.
Starting point is 00:15:04 and you don't get as much value out of the athlete, right? And so, but if you give a guy ball 20 times a game, he going to produce. And then if he produces, that opens up the past game because of the play action, right? And so, like, it's what that does is that narrative devalues the athlete. It devalues the runnerback. It devalues Christian McCaffir. It devalues whoever's in that slot because it's saying anybody could do that. Not anybody could do it or else everybody would.
Starting point is 00:15:34 it's just that system is dependent on the running back and if you have somebody that's capable they'll produce for you I think we can all agree that the most devalued position in that system is the quarterback because Brock Purdy can do it
Starting point is 00:15:47 Rock Pretty is good nobody should know what I'm saying I haven't watched Brock Pretty enough but like they could plug anybody into it and make Garoppolo look amazing except for Josh Johnson why is that well he didn't work out he got a chance after purdy got hurt yeah remember that game yeah that's bad uh maybe maybe we'll see the return of of the lead running back at some point
Starting point is 00:16:17 i would like that i miss the days when each team would have like one dude and that was going to be the bell cow running back i missed those days but now it just seems like bringing it back good well What about Alger? He's good, too. We have two. So running back by committee? Yeah, but I mean, you draft a guy eighth overall. Robinson's going to be the guy.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Yeah, Aaron, from your perspective, we always talk about quarterbacks when they get drafted and you got a rookie coming in and might have all the talent in the world, but most times they make them sit, they make them learn some of the finer points of playing in the NFL because the systems are different. The defenses are different. They're faster. What about from a running back perspective? Do you think that's one of the easiest positions to go from college into the NFL?
Starting point is 00:17:04 If you're if you're like a premier talent, I would, I said relatively easy, sure, because it's more talent basis, it's less, it's less heavy on the cerebral side of things. But if you, it seems to sit dudes because they miss their past protection, you know what I'm saying? And they're not going to, they're not going to get the, they're not going to get the quarterback hit because, because you're nice at Toten it. And so they'll have like guys, they'll switching it on third downs. That's why this is why you don't see a lot of, like, young cats in on third downs. It's because you have to know the past protections.
Starting point is 00:17:43 And so I think from a talent perspective, it's a little easier because it's like, regardless of what I know and how defense is lined up, when you give me the ball, still one-on-one, you got to see me. You know what I'm saying? And so when it comes to quarterbacks, I always argue that quarterbacks play a different sport than everybody else. It's like there's not, I mean, they literally have rules so you don't hit them as hard. So it's like they're more on, they got to understand the games that the offensive and defensive coordinators are playing with each other. And that takes a little bit more time and a little bit more seasoning as far as like, you know, OTAs, like spring ball, shit like that to understand what's, what we're trying to accomplish or what's taking place.
Starting point is 00:18:25 That takes a little bit more time to build. Some cats can step in and play well, but shit, Peyton struggled early. Tom got to sit. You know, a lot of the goats usually sit early. It just depends on a dude, but it's better. I would rather sit as a quarterback. I would actually say kicker is probably the easiest, like the most seamless transition. Oh, yeah, no quite.
Starting point is 00:18:45 I mean, I don't even think they get mad to me all the time. They don't even play football, bro. They just do something else. Cross-wide. Yeah, be chile. have you ever seen kickers practice yeah they practice but it's like when we practice they literally on in not entirely other field they be playing games and shit like tossing balls and like don't want them in the trash can they be doing a whole other shit every time you visit a college
Starting point is 00:19:10 football facility the only one like and there's a ping pong a table or something or there's like various amenities in the locker room the only ones playing with it are the specialists because they have so much goddamn time yeah don't no play there's a high kick yeah I think that's bad for the Yeah, it might be, but it's better than them hanging out there and just getting bullied, but like in the locker room trying to fit in. You remember we went to Colorado and in Colorado we're going through the team facility and the kicker and the punter were just off to the side in the cafeteria playing chess. I'm just saying I think that because they have so much time on their hands,
Starting point is 00:19:48 they have too much time to think about kicking and they probably should do other shit just like so it's not taking up so much of their brain when it comes down to the one second they actually have to make a kick in an intense situation. I mean, you can only go out there and kick so many times. I know, but then you should like be occupied with something totally different
Starting point is 00:20:07 so that you don't get fucked up. He just said they were playing chess. I think that's too, like, they almost should be like, I guess that's why they're all jacked because they're all just, the smart ones just take that time to work out. Yeah, like, I mean,
Starting point is 00:20:21 what would you like your kicker to be doing? what, Billy. I don't know. I almost want him to just like have a totally other light. You know what I was thinking about this? I want to take a foreign player. Don't teach him English. Don't like so basically he has like a cultural blinders
Starting point is 00:20:37 where he can't understand. Like I want this person to like maybe not even know how to read like take someone from somewhere that doesn't even know how to like read like English and then take him to America and don't even show them football just teach them how to kick in a field somewhere.
Starting point is 00:20:53 with a goalpost and then just all of a sudden like trot him out in like a big moment and don't even like explain the concept of the SEC of big time football and just have him like totally oblivious to what the fuck's going on and then just have him kick and like not be able to like react to the emotions behind it so that like it's just a simple thing for him he's just fucking around so why in your mind
Starting point is 00:21:19 I want to work through this like take a guy from North Korea Okay, yeah, I got it. Why is he more impervious to, like, a crowd of 100,000 people? Like, he sees what's going on. But, like, I don't want him to even know or have the concept of what football is. Okay. Okay, I like this plan. One possible flaw in it is the very first time they go out there and they make a field goal
Starting point is 00:21:46 and the crowd goes nuts right afterwards, they're going to have a pretty good idea of what's happening. I want to be deaf too Okay Got it Got it A deaf A deaf kicker that doesn't know how to read
Starting point is 00:22:00 Has never played football before Besides kicking in practice Billy's premise is What if we had Helen Keller Become a kicker I think you need vision I would agree with that They don't have anything else at this point
Starting point is 00:22:12 Well to see where to kick the ball Okay Which uprates are on Which side of the hash I don't know Just a cool experiment to see because I mean the yips impact every kicker there's like if like the pressure in that moment there's always like like makes people snap well what kickers are your average kicker I can
Starting point is 00:22:32 speak from a little bit of experience on this just in my in my limited kicking career um but you basically train to become yourself to turn yourself into a robot so you want to get to a place where you do the exact same thing the exact same way every single time that you kick a football whether it's like your pre-kick routine, the way that you like even run out onto the field, the direction that you approach the ball, even before the ball snap, the direction that you approach the holder, your hands, your body language, your breathing is the exact same on every single kick. And you just try to make it just a force of habit to limit any sort of possible like small
Starting point is 00:23:15 screw up or any, any, you try to eliminate any sort of difference. and any sort of uh i guess what's the word that i'm looking for um inconsistencies there we go inconsistencies you want to limit any inconsistencies it was funny because i was um so i've been hanging out with family a lot recently and we were talking about stories with my dad and like how he would have us train for sports and stuff and uh i remembered when i was like 13 years old and i wanted to play football and my dad didn't want me working out in a weight room because he didn't want me to hurt my back because he had a really bad back and he was like I don't want you to screw up any of your joints lifting weights before it's too early and so he was like that could be unsafe so his solution
Starting point is 00:23:58 to build up my leg strength out of safety so that I wouldn't hurt myself was he would take our 1982 Toyota Starlet and he would put it out in the driveway and then he would back it down to the bottom of the driveway and then I would have to get behind the car and just push it up like at first with my back, like pushing backwards with it, and then I would have to push it up the driveway multiple times from behind the car. And he got to the point where sometimes he would sit in it as we got to the top of the driveway and I would just try to like move it a few feet while he was in it. And it worked. Like I got, my legs got stronger for sure. It built up my quads and my ass a little bit. But it's very funny to me that his, he was like trying to keep me safe
Starting point is 00:24:40 and his safe solution was just push this car up a hill from behind it. I mean, that's facts. It is facts. That's a sled push. It's a sled push. Numbers never lie. I used to have giant quads. I want to get back into having giant quads again. Me too.
Starting point is 00:24:57 I'm actually going on. Look, summer's coming up. I'm doing a Hail Mary. It's getting shape because I've had a rough couple months. And let's just get jacked. Okay. I'm back on a summer abs? I'm 28 days, Memorial Day.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Crash course, got to cut some weight. i'm just eating meat may oh that okay but may abs that what we on we're going memorial day abs to honor the troops when is i'm gonna do soft 75 when is memorial day may 27th yeah something like yeah so it's that's the first time of year you got to take a shirt off usually so let's just get it going i'm i'm i'm with you billy i'm making some good progress yep salute sir uh matt dog did you just say you're going soft 75? Yeah, the 75 soft.
Starting point is 00:25:49 That doesn't sound... I don't know what that is, but it sounds like you're just going to be eating like a shitload of carbs and not working. No, no, no, the opposite. No, no. So have you ever heard of like the 75 Hard? No.
Starting point is 00:26:03 The last man to do soft 75, shatter his ankle. But that's, no, he inspired me. Yeah. But I hope his ankle's okay. But he inspired me. No, 75 Hard is like this fitness challenge where you work out twice a day
Starting point is 00:26:15 for 45 minutes you only eat like lean meats and like read it's like this whole fitness challenge i don't want to do that i don't want to put myself through hell like that sounds no fun but 75 soft is like kind of like the diet version of that like the light version and dougs did it and dugs had like a before and after and he looked great so i said i want to get on that before the summer starts what is it like two two workouts in 45 minutes that that sounds Easy? Not easy. No, absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:26:48 Especially with the job, like, no. But the 75 soft is working out 45 minutes a day, and one of the days is like an active recovery, eating like well, quote unquote, reading 10 pages of a book per day and drinking three liters of water a day. Where does the book come in? I think it's just to like be well-rounded. It's the mental, man. And invoke the discipline. Shout out Dugues. He's still here.
Starting point is 00:27:19 No, he's not here. What books was Dugues reading? Well, you know, we'll have, we'll have Dugge on to explain. Dukes just shattered his ankle, so he's going to be reading a lot of physical therapy books. We should let him represent himself. No, I'm sure that Dugues was reading. I'm not doubting the fact that he could read. I'm just curious what Dugge's book of choice would be.
Starting point is 00:27:40 Can someone ask him that? Yeah, I can ask him. I can text him. I need a mental picture of Dukes Dugues Dugues and Billy went to lacrosse camp together And the best way I could describe it I think I said this at the time
Starting point is 00:27:54 They're like beavis and butthead If they went to prep school The two of them Dugues is a very friendly guy You would love him But he is very much like a golden retriever He's on our extra dosings a lot Yeah
Starting point is 00:28:09 We'll have him on to talk soft 75 one day he did it really well he dropped like 25 pounds exactly that's kind of like the vibe I think it's the water intake like I think drinking a like I drink probably a liter and a half a day I can get up to three liters
Starting point is 00:28:25 it's a lot of water flushing your system so yeah I think I'm to do that I'm gonna pick up caloric intake versus outtake I know but this this place area and this place is the worst because our snack cabinet is so great
Starting point is 00:28:41 And so if I just get bored at work, I just like stumble over to the snack cabinet. And if I drink enough water, I think I won't be as snacky. Yeah, I'm just picking up eating from boredom. Okay, Dukes texting me back. He said he read self-improvement books and Game of Thrones. Good for Dukes. Good, yeah. I actually feel really bad for him because he's got a six-month recovery with like a shattered ankle.
Starting point is 00:29:02 Yeah. So he's like, yeah, all this, like the soft 75 is going to be hard to maintain. That's why I'm worried about coming out of retirement again next year to play one game of rugby. Because that's how he hurt his ankle, right? In like an alumni lacrosse game. An alumni game. That's why you got to stay ready. Yeah, you got to stay ready for it.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Well, you give me, I think, two weeks, I'll be prepared to unveil. Actually, they should be right on track for Memorial Day. My abs should be looking good by Memorial Day. Oh, you got that fucking ab sculpt thing. I forgot. The cool sculpt thing. But, but Billy, that also means, like, they don't build muscle in there. They just get rid of a small layer of fat.
Starting point is 00:29:38 everybody who has abs underneath their flap if they like worked out one time not one time I've got some abs under there all former athletes with the extra with the extra you know padding nowadays have abs and muscle underneath whatever I'm biohacking it's it's the same thing that you try to do to yourself
Starting point is 00:29:58 fuck it I'm actually gonna like rip a crazy like weight loss cycle and only eat meat tell you know why Jordan Peterson was it like fucked up, br? No, no, Jordan Pearson only ate meat to help himself not be fucked up. He had, like, a ton of autoimmune conditions. Oh, he was already fucked up.
Starting point is 00:30:17 Yeah. Oh. He was on the benzos, too. Yeah, okay. I'm also going to try to fix my gut. Will Compton inspired me. Get on that poppy, olip grind. I'm taking this new probiotic called
Starting point is 00:30:33 Lactobacillus Routieri on a pair. Apparently, it raises your testosterone by a ton, and a lot of, like, mental health stems from the gut and just, like, general energy. And, like, if you're drinking way too many beers over the weekend, your gut's definitely fucked up. So we're just trying to balance that out. Yeah. Your gut microbiome is very sensitive and important. Good point.
Starting point is 00:31:02 Good point. So I was reading this article today, and I'm thinking. thinking we might want to dive into it later at some other point because it's a very, very long article. I didn't even get all the way through because it's super long. I didn't have enough time to work my way through. But I think it would be cool to discuss if you guys want to talk about this on Wednesday. So a little programming note, I'm on a plane on Wednesday. I'm going down to Miami to do some stuff down there with F1 because they've got the race down in Miami coming up this weekend. So I'm not going to be on Wednesday show, but Donnie's
Starting point is 00:31:33 going to be filling in. And he's going to be talking a little bit about his trip to the Himalayas, Nepal, and there will be another topic, like a full topic that the guys get into. But I think at some point in the future, we should talk about this story that just came out today. Look it up. It's on the New Yorker, all right? It's called The Fugitive Princesses of Dubai. So make a note of that and read about it. It's an insane story from what I've read so far.
Starting point is 00:32:03 There are these princesses that flee their father in Dubai. And they escape the country like on jet skis and tried to get out of that country because although they're trying to act like they're reforming everything over there, it's still not a great place for women. And it is, it's a crazy story. It is insane. So, so read up on it. Maybe we can talk about it next week a little bit.
Starting point is 00:32:27 But the fugitive princesses of Dubai in the New Yorker, I think it just came out today. And it's written by Heidi Blake. so check it out insane story also another very important story that i think we should talk about is that i talked about a little on part of my take yesterday but uh someone had a full body orgasm during chikorsky's fifth symphony in the la philharmonic it's pretty insane it's just it's just one loud ah yeah but apparently music can do that in chikovsky he did the nutcracker which is very appropriate for this that's uh yeah it's it's crazy aaron you should actually listen to it billy sent to the group chat so the a yeah send to the group i think i did i already do it yes i did
Starting point is 00:33:20 it uh rex chapman uh we posted on the macadosing twitter which if you aren't following you definitely should because a lot of great content there uh we're just finding weird stuff from the internet and uh rex chapman found it there and i kind of went a little viral Rex Chapman got it from you Yeah Welcome to the club It's a long list of people That I've had their content pirated by Rex Chabin
Starting point is 00:33:45 Yeah he'd be It's like he scours the internet for tweets Yeah Crazy his CNN Plus show didn't work out That was a shame It is I guess no one CNN Plus show worked out But
Starting point is 00:34:00 No the entire channel They grow mostly overestimated the investment of their audience into like the CNN personalities. I'll I'll say one nice thing about Fox and Fox News. They know how to pick personalities that stick out that can develop their own audiences. CNN, here we go, CNN is like the running back position. Their anchors are the running back position of news where it's like you get someone halfway decent plug and play.
Starting point is 00:34:27 Just put them in. There's system anchors over there. I don't know, man. I don't think that's the case, though. So I think, I think, tell me if I'm wrong, you be honest with me, but this is how I view it. I think that the rights content is predicated off of like fearmongering. And so like anything that they pump out, that's just once they consume that, they get caught in the web of that. And that's, that's good content to them.
Starting point is 00:34:58 And so it's like the left, I mean, they do a little bit of fearmongering, but it's not as prevalent. and it's not as like, like, for instance, like, we're way more, we're, the left is way more prone to criticize like a Joe Biden administration than the right is to criticize the Trump administration and the moves that they're making. You know what I'm saying? And so the echo chamber of the right is more so like, look what they're doing. And the echo chamber of the left is more like, look at what they're doing. Well, I don't think the left is as planktony with the content.
Starting point is 00:35:28 I think, I think Fox has like two distinct types of people that they look for. One would be a blonde-haired woman that can just put a really angry look on her face all the time. You see that picture of the compilation over the ears? That's just fun. And then they've got the Tucker model, which is just like a white guy that's very concerned about the direction our country is going. And those are the two rules. But CNN just has, they've just got people that sit behind a desk and say things. I don't think that you can say like, here's the prototypical C.
Starting point is 00:36:02 and model. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'd say Don Lemon is like just a different Anderson Cooper. Yeah, but... What do you mean by that, Billy? I think they're very similar.
Starting point is 00:36:18 How so? What's similar about them? Their demeanor, their opinions. Okay. I think Billy was going for... Yeah, no, I put the full court press on Big T. Don't give up. Okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Don Lemon is just black Anderson Cooper That's not even the one I thought you were going for How to take than I originally thought actually All right, Mincy Don Lemon Gay? Is Don Lemon Gay? I have no idea They're both soft-spoken That's what I'm saying This is bad
Starting point is 00:36:53 This isn't bad This is bad Walking back I don't think there's anything I have no idea I have no idea the similarities other than they're both soft spoken they both like get angry at right wing politics I did that
Starting point is 00:37:07 I don't even think Anderson Cooper's get he is you okay you guys are the ones making it I I don't think anything I said was problem at no no no no no no no no no no no actually you guys no they both wear glasses they both have short hair
Starting point is 00:37:22 that's the comparison like they're both come on no you know what this is you guys this is you guys Billy you were you were smiling Riley when I die if I die tomorrow I thought you were talking about me like being like oh you basically want to call Don Lemon just really really no I asked what makes them similar if I die tomorrow just if you don't remember anything I say remember this though stop running from sit that you say stand on it I'm standing on what I'm saying I don't think anything I said
Starting point is 00:37:54 was problematic what did I say those problematic I think they're very similar it's almost what you didn't say? What didn't I say? Is Anderson Cooper white? I don't even know. I don't see color. I also like a Billy's defense against maybe like painting all homosexual people with the same brush would be like, I don't even think Anderson's Cooper's gay because he doesn't really act that gay. I'm just, no, no, I didn't say any that. You guys, you know he's gay. You know Anderson Cooper's gay, right? Yeah, I don't care what they do off the air. They say they're same on the air. That's not, that's not, so why would you say it? I don't even think Anthony Cooper's gay.
Starting point is 00:38:31 Why would you say that if you know. Because I couldn't actually confirm as of right now. Sometimes I don't prepare with all the information. At this moment, I didn't know if Anderson Cooper was definitely gay. He is openly a gay man. I'm a big fan of Anderson Cooper. Remember I said that on the show. We're not saying that you are gay friends.
Starting point is 00:38:49 I sit next to two gay guys. Now walk with me. Now walk with me. So when you say Anderson Cooper and Dom Lemon are very simple. and one is gay I think they're very similar to white one is black one is straight
Starting point is 00:39:03 like explain more you don't have to understand the confusion when you say the very same other than that they both are Democrats area area they are both gay yeah they're both gay
Starting point is 00:39:14 no I wasn't no I don't know if I didn't yes they're both gay they're both gay yes I just learned that shit I didn't know that John Lemon has been married
Starting point is 00:39:22 for six years to a man I just think they literally have very similar plus didn't they didn't Dom Lemon replace Anderson Cooper that's what I'm fucking getting at I stand corrected you guys want to make it oh
Starting point is 00:39:34 you made it that no I did not at all you like I was like I didn't understand what you were trying to get at by me saying they were similar I was like okay like yeah okay maybe I misunderstood your intentions
Starting point is 00:39:48 you say he's the black Anderson Cooper I know I think Anderson Cooper is the white Don Lemon okay so Uno reverse card on you yeah yeah Black is the default now. It's like Amari Cooper said, Jack Prescott is the black Kirk Cousins.
Starting point is 00:40:05 No, no, no. Kirk Cousins is the white Dak Prescott. Yeah. Honestly, whatever. I didn't know Don Lemon was gay. Didn't Don Lemon replace Anderson Cooper on that show? I think Anderson Cooper's got his own show. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Andrew Cooper has a C-360. I think that show doesn't. Is that still his show? AC 360, yeah. Is it? Anneson Cooper's still honestly in it? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Has there ever been somebody that's replaced another dude with a show but kept that show name? So like if Don Lemon was now the host of Anderson Cooper 360 and they kept that name, has that ever happened before? Like it doesn't turn into the L. It happens with sports teams. Guys, AC. Like the Utah Jazz.
Starting point is 00:40:50 Anderson Cooper 360. I don't even think. The Los Angeles Lakers. Yeah. It's like, yeah, if like Utah lost their team and then somehow they got like a future team that was called like the Utah, the Utah trap. Like they got an expansion team from Chicago, the Utah O'block. Oh man, speaking of which I have went down. I think these last three days I've watched so much hourly content of that entire shit, bro, about all that shit.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Chicago gang violence. There's this dude name, I don't know his name, white dude from like somewhere in England. And this thing that literally has video after video of the breakdown of Chicago gangs. And it's just so fast. Because like I was, I was listening to like some shit and some shit that dude named King Vaughn came up on my playlist. I said, I never really checked for him. I know who he was. And I started bumping a lot of his shit. And I started to make a little playlist because to get hyped because he switched it up. And so I never really. delved into his catalog. Then I found out he died. I didn't even know he died. So I'm not tapped in I am. And then I found out how he died. I looked to see how he died. And then all the media stuff comes up. And this three-hour documentaries do put together about his whole life and how he died and what he did and why he rose to fame. And it was some of the most fascinated shit I ever came across because growing up, there was like this. Like the streets were more like, don't tell. You know what I mean? Like, don't tell. That was the thing growing up when I was growing up. And now in that whole Chicago scene, it was like they rose to prominence
Starting point is 00:42:39 because they would commit murders and then talk about the shit, like drop little like clues in their music, like little clues on social media about the hits that they was doing on, you know, rivals. And it was like fascinating to me that, I mean, literally careers were birthed out of this. And the whole psychology behind it really got me thinking about the entire system. It's like they were gassed up by the fans that were loving, looking through the glass of this poverty-stricken area that was riddled with gangs, right? So the fans are loving this shit, kind of egging it on. And then they were reciprocating the energy with, this is how we live. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:43:23 And there's like the psychology and the in the in the in the in the in the in the in the in the in the in the end of the forth for that energy was was wild time. I mean, even the dude that made a documentary. Um, you can tell he gets like a certain he's a fan of the lore behind gang culture. He's a fan of it even though he was reporting on it. He's like a fan of so he's bringing down like the GDs versus the BDs and and and where they came from and how they moved like to different cities and all that stuff where it's like I kind of knew all this shit just kind of growing up. But like the fan lore of. is fascinating to me and how it's an industry of its own
Starting point is 00:43:57 and how it's like it birthed careers, rap careers, and ultimately they ended up dying because of the shit. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, I went on a deep,
Starting point is 00:44:07 deep dive about all that shit. It was wildly fascinating. Who do you think's consuming like their music and sort of looking through it? White people. That's always been the case though. Like you go back to like
Starting point is 00:44:21 NWA. NWA was like the first gangster rap that was actually like talking about and they weren't necessarily in the streets. Everybody, everybody knew that except for Easy E. He was actually a banger, right? And this is kind of known. And so, but they would like go to their shows and it's a bunch of white folks. And it was like a mind fuck for them. And they talk about that. They talk about how. And that was like the birth of how the, because I say this all the time. how hip hop has kind of become the monster that it was created to destroy because originally hip hop was about bucking a system and anti-establishment and and you know it was born from poverty in the in the inner cities and it and it kind of turned around when they realized the industry realized oh we can monetize this and so once the monetization of it came you start feeding that animal which is hunger and greed and you're feeling you're you're feeding starving people well i'm a continue to give you the content that they like, but that also feeds the cycle of almost justifying
Starting point is 00:45:28 the lifestyle. You know what I mean? And so for the suburban kid, for the average suburban kid who's looking through the glass, it's entertainment. And it is entertaining. And it's, it's, but it's, it's also encapsulating, um, uh, a very dark side of poverty stricken areas. And I'll be, it's kind of beautiful that people, can make art of it and to where that people gravitate towards it. But at the end of the day, it's easy for you to sit back and look at it because you don't have to be involved in it. Whereas to take it back to the Chicago, the beefs, where it's like cats are listening to
Starting point is 00:46:10 it and they're getting millions of streams and millions of dollars and all that shit, but they're walking around in the neighborhoods and like, they'll go like, King Vine had died and he got a mural right across from the street. street where his projects was like right here right across the street they put a mural on a wall and like there's video that came out of dudes from his blog in that project was like they went live on Instagram saying I'm going to go to the mural which is literally across the street and as they doing it they like look around and they're kind of saying like see I ain't scared to go outside I'm out here because they know that's how they do it like the rival gangs will look at these
Starting point is 00:46:47 his lives and see if they're outside and they'll go get them like it's a war zone and so they literally on live saying, see, I'm outside. And they literally have to like prepare with weapons and protection to cross the street. But like, think about that mindset that you're in and that war zone that you're in, that that's what you have to do. Now, granted, a lot of this stuff is self-inflicted and we can get into the systematic issues involved. But that shit is entertainment. So when people go on live and they egg it on and that shit, that's entertainment for people, but that's how they live. And so as I'm looking through this whole shit,
Starting point is 00:47:24 there's just a wild, like, psychological mind fuck that I was, like, encapsulated with. Yeah. And then another side to that is, like, some rappers grow up and they don't grow up in that environment. They have, whether they're from the suburbs or they've got a more comfortable upbringing, but as they start to achieve a little level of success,
Starting point is 00:47:45 they feel like they have to establish some of that street credit on their own. So then they start doing all the things that their heroes and their predecessors had talked about and they kind of, they move backwards and they start living like a gang lifestyle and like dealing drugs and violence and all that stuff because they feel like they need to have that that street cred in order to continue their careers that they've already built up. And then that's like they're reverting back to something that if you were to ask like the early rappers that had that that mentality of like this is the place where I grew up. up and I'm trying to make it out. Music was one of the ways that I could get out. I'm sure those early artists would be like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? Why the entire goal is to get out of this.
Starting point is 00:48:28 Yeah, we call it hustling backwards. John Morant, that's what they look at him like. And I caught a lot of flak for saying this a while ago. I had went viral a while ago because I was talking about Tupac. And he did the same thing. Like his mother was a Black Panther and like she taught him very, was very well educated. He knew what was, you know, the smart way to move and the not smart way to move. He moved to California. And then he started to get his music career going and he started
Starting point is 00:49:00 and he was hanging around the scene a little bit. And he was from it, but he wasn't with it. You know what I mean? And then he got to LA and then he started hanging around, Shug and like all those kind of characters. And they from that, that's what they're from. And so he started banging. And literally how he died was he got into a fight with some dude named Orlando Brown. in Vegas. And it was just on some petty shit. Like most street beef is on petty shit too. And so it was on some petty shit. They jumped him. There's no way you too park. You go world renowned selling artists. You should not be jumping to anybody, bro. You should have people do it for you if you really want them to get touched. But they jumped him. He, he, he
Starting point is 00:49:36 got up, spun around. They saw him. They caught him in traffic. And now he, now he's a legend for some petty shit. But it's like if you, if you do all that, the most street dudes that I new that were like really with it, they like, man, stay the fuck out of here. Like, you don't want, you don't want this life. Like, it's, it's an exhausting, always got to look over your shoulder, paranoia, like, and for dudes to like make it and then go back to that, I will never understand that shit. I just don't get it. But.
Starting point is 00:50:09 Yeah, it's a lot of politics involved. It's weird. It's unusual. I was thinking that something that might tie in closely, but there's actually a big difference. I think about it is. in like the advent of punk rock music back in the late 70s, early 80s. It was a lot of poor, usually white guys, sometimes not, sometimes there's some like legendary punk bands that were black, but for the most part it was like poor white dudes
Starting point is 00:50:34 either from England or from whether it's like San Francisco, L.A., D.C., New York. And they were living this lifestyle that was just pretty much like fuck the world, super counterculture and then that music evolved and kids from the suburbs started to play it and that became pop punk and they just they evolved into it being like about
Starting point is 00:50:59 what they knew from the suburbs was basically like not getting dates and shit and they tried to take the musical sound but they adjusted the content of the lyrics and the lifestyle to like where they were from in life I can't think of any examples of like punk bands that have gone backwards and really tried to like become super counterculture
Starting point is 00:51:21 as they got bigger and more famous. I don't think that that's happened in the punk scene. Outlaw country. Yeah, outlaw country. Yeah, that's kind of. They had this shift where it was like country music. They used to talk about guns, you know, cocaine. I mean, Johnny Cash.
Starting point is 00:51:37 Like they used to like we're living. It was more of a criminal subject matter in the songs. And then like over the 2000s. country music totally kind of changed and yeah there's still some like outlaw country song but it's kind of you know more indie and less known like niche but that was a huge change that I mean like old country music used to talk about murder killing and all that stuff just as much as like drill rap does today but it's totally changed I think that there is more outlaw country coming back though I think that you haven't heard it you have what yeah I haven't heard outlaw country
Starting point is 00:52:15 No, no, I'm talking I have I thought of areas Have has any Outlaw Country Sanger been indicted For the shit that they saw Yeah Yeah
Starting point is 00:52:23 Yeah. Really? Uh huh I think John's I think Johnny Paycheck I think They used his lyrics as Evidence in a murder draft
Starting point is 00:52:33 Yeah I don't know if I don't know I could be wrong But I would at the At the rate It happened in Chicago Drill music I would venture to say
Starting point is 00:52:42 That is not an accurate It might not be at the same rate But I think that Billy's kind of right that there were numerous outlaw country stars that got arrested and sent to prison for some of the exact same shit that they were singing about. I don't know if they used lyrics as testimony after like describing the crimes exactly. I don't know. The reason why I scoffed that was because it was very unique and like the FBI would like hold press conferences and and reference it, right? They would be like there's something unique going on in this scene where Katz is literally saying, I'm sorry. smoking on. That's where that came from. When Big T said, you know, smoking at Bamapak, that's where it came from. It came from Chicago Cats who would literally murder somebody
Starting point is 00:53:24 in the rival gang and then in their songs or on it on it on an internet post. They'd be like, I'm smoking on who, you know what I'm smoking on? The dude that they just killed or the gang just killed. And then they would, I mean, literally O Block. O'block came from a guy by the, I forget his name, but he got killed. That place is called. something Gardens, Gardens Park or something like that. A dude from that place got killed and they renamed it O Block. So that's a street name. And so the other gang, the guys on what they would call 63rd Street,
Starting point is 00:53:59 they would say smoking on, oh, like that's what they would do. And so it's like, that's very unique. Because like I said, when I grew up, it was like you don't say the shit that you do. But like nowadays, it became very popular in an Instagram culture. to boast about this shit and that shit got mad cats indicted like hundreds of cats indicted I mean Y NW. Melly
Starting point is 00:54:23 his song that got him in trouble murder on my mind and he just described the whole way he killed the guy and then getting arrested for it I mean that was pretty ridiculous no that's what I'm saying is that is commonplace in the drill scene
Starting point is 00:54:39 and so like you all remember that shit that went viral it was like 21 or maybe 20 two where like four young kids, they was on a golf course, singing, at the beginning, it was like, they were making my way down town. What is that song? Oh, a thousand miles. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:58 They did that. They did her course on that beat. And then they started like talking, ah, bushing in and shit, who like that shit. Then went viral. It was like super viral. That beef actually has very deep loops in Jacksonville where they were going back and forth with another gang and they were actually killing each other's partners, like real, so the But dudes that ever say, who I smoke, nah, nah, who, those were dudes they actually killed.
Starting point is 00:55:21 And they never got, I don't think they ever got indicted for that shit. But like, and it's known. It's like, the internet culture is known, but like you have to prove it in court. And if they don't have a case and have a case. And a lot of the cats, witnesses, witnesses be turning up missing. Like, it's a real thing. But that's why I say it was very unique where it's like there was actually naming cats that they smoked. It was a real thing.
Starting point is 00:55:42 But a lot of that is pretty niche, right? Like, it's not, like, the only one I can think from the drill rap scene that really went mainstream was Chief Keefe. No, he didn't even kill anybody. That's what I'm saying. So, like, Dirt, King Vaughan, Lou Reese, I don't know, they're just doing FGB Duck. There's a whole bunch of Chicago cats, Young and Ace, in Jacksonville, him, Fulio. Like, and these are the cats I'm thinking about on top of my head who I just, recently found out about, honestly.
Starting point is 00:56:16 And it's like, it's niche in a sense of like, it's not an endemic as far as like thousands of people are dying, but it's like hundreds of cats did lose their lives. And there was a bunch of people rapping about the shit. And like hundreds of cats got indicted because of the shit that they was posting. You know, I was going to disagree with you about who was consuming this music. But now I think about it, Bobby Schmerta, like he also rapped about stuff. like that and white america just listen to that and that probably fuels smaller artists who are like yeah it's not that's not me blaming white america right i'm saying i'm not that's not what i'm doing
Starting point is 00:56:56 i'm just saying the the if you look go look at the car go look at anybody's concert footage right that's not like a bash because bashes are more like like a niche thing like go look at like a concert of a of a of a of a trap rapper that you love look who's in the crowd most most content curation is bought by like suburban kids that just love the lore. They love the gang banging life. Do you think that is what kind of inspires a lot of artists that have become successful to start hustling backwards and to try to like reprove their own street credit is because on a certain level they look in the audience, they see suburban white kids listen to their music
Starting point is 00:57:35 and they're like, they don't understand this. I'm going to be accused of selling out. I better start to like re-harden myself. No, I think there's a deeper psychology that goes behind that. I think it has a lot to do with insecurities. I think it has a lot to do with, so I was a victim of this a lot. Like, growing up, like, there's a certain amount of, like, social credit, like, almost that, like, if your view it is tough, like, oh, he got hands or he could fight, there's a certain amount of, like, social currency that comes with that. And I think when you're when you're in your own little world, that's everything, right?
Starting point is 00:58:18 So like right now, everybody individually, you got your own shit going on. That's your world. In the grand scheme of life, like we'll probably like, maybe once your problems is petty. But like in your world, like it matters. Like who you run into, who you bump into, who's talking about you, the gossip shit. Like all that shit. That matters in your world, right? And so I think a lot of cats get caught up in their world and they fall victim to their social status, what they feel their social status is, how people feel about them, how people look at you.
Starting point is 00:58:50 Because a lot of that stuff, and in those kind of neighborhoods and those kind of circumstances, it matters a little bit more as far as I. If somebody thinks you soft, like you can get robbed, some shit can have it to you, people might try you, like shit like that. So it matters in a sense of like safety issues, but I think when cats get money, that that still matters and it's still involved in that world. And so I don't think it necessarily has to do with who's coming to their shows. I think it's more some like how people looking at me. So it's probably more an insecurity thing than anything else. Yeah. It'd be fascinating also to see how how certain rock bands out there have dealt with like Weezer used to just rap or they used to just sing about how they like were lonely and
Starting point is 00:59:33 and get girls and basically like virgin rock at first and then they got huge and famous and rivers quomo got late all the time and then he had to figure out like wait i can't i can't still sing about being a nerd and like my upbringings and all that stuff but sometimes they still do which is which is kind of crazy uh they like pretend that they're still in that world well i think that's a beautiful thing while art is like like nobody ever got mad at shakespeare because he didn't fuck his brother or his mother you know what I'm saying like he was he could tell a great story and I think that's what art is it brings you in and it tells a great story like it doesn't matter where it comes from Shakespeare was it about that life Shakespeare way
Starting point is 01:00:16 Shakespeare really much I was trying to fuck his cousin he wasn't on that eye yeah you know what Shakespeare was about that shit Shakespeare was a poser man Shakespeare wasn't like marrying young girls Romeo Juliet Romeo Juliet I don't think that anybody out there would get mad at somebody for being if they were an artist that was talking about like the projects or whatever and they weren't from there as long as you make it clear that you're telling a story about other people yeah yeah that's that's that's fun like a lot of they'll understand this entertainment but there are i mean it's like it's like i understand it and i don't like because i was around it to a certain extent where it's like
Starting point is 01:01:03 If dudes have nothing, man, like, like, poverty is a, it's a, it'll fuck you up in the mind. If you have nothing, and like, these dudes literally die for the street that they own, right? You know, which I don't agree with, but it's like when you have nothing, that becomes a sense of pride and that becomes a sense of like, I mean, I mean, I guess you can relate. Like, when people sign up for the military, right? Like, you're dying for your country, right? Like, it's admirable, right? But, like, that's how they feel about their neighborhood. How you feel about America is how they feel about their neighborhood, right?
Starting point is 01:01:31 And they're willing to die for that shit. And so in a sense, I guess you can kind of relate it. Now, whether you agree with the importance of it or not, I mean, you're still dying for a cause that you believe in, right? But like when you, when that lifestyle and that much reverence, like, this is my family, like, because a gang, that's what it is. It's like, you hear people say, like, I'm born into it. It means his father probably bang, his mother probably bang, his cousins, his uncle.
Starting point is 01:01:59 They all bang into that same. So he's like, it's a family thing. to them. And so like when dudes is saying that they're banging and they're not, it's like disrespectful. And that's a whole part of that social currency thing that gets involved, which I don't agree with, but I understand it to a certain extent. I understand that. If I was actually in that situation and that was my life where I was like, all I cared about was my street, my neighborhood. And then somebody got famous saying that they were doing the exact same thing. They weren't. I would be pissed off about that. That's stolen valor. That is, that is the local equivalent of stolen
Starting point is 01:02:28 Val and you got to do something about it. Doesn't Drake get that accusation a lot? Nah, he never has claimed. I mean, Drake doesn't like... Nobody thinks he banks. Rap about anything like that. Wasn't there rumors that he like may have called the hit on X? Stentzione?
Starting point is 01:02:43 I don't know. No. I don't know. I think people get pissed off if it turned out that Drake didn't really actually like Patron. It's like he's just, he's just claiming that he does. This guy's a phone. I don't think.
Starting point is 01:02:55 Actually, I actually asked. I actually asked. I used to have a podcast and I had a Jay Prince on and Jay Prince is like, it kind of ran Houston. Like he was like in the street scene, he like was Houston, right? Like, so when people would be like, yo, when you come to Houston, you got to check in with Jake Prince, like that type of thing. So I actually asked him about the whole push of tea and Drake beef. And I was like, okay, you know, push it is from that, right? Like he's from that, you know, he used to sell.
Starting point is 01:03:26 He was really out there. you know Drake isn't I was like why why get involved in when you know it's not going to go there and he was like well because Drake has us and it will go there okay that makes sense so or back up because what you said was was fascinating to me when they say like oh if you're coming through Houston you got to check in what does a check in look like I never was in this in that scene so I never had to check in so it's like if you have prominence right so like if you it's a respect things. So if you're from a city and like you like it's basically the rap scene or like you know if you like famous somehow and you in that street life like cats have cities man
Starting point is 01:04:08 like this is so-and-so city like this is you know it's just a respect thing that you just tap in and be like yo I'm coming through and it'll usually show love or whatever case might be. And people feel disrespected if you don't tap in. It's very petty but that's that's that world. There's a lot of rules. There's a lot of rules and streets. shit that I don't understand and I never really took part in it and but they live by the different rules. It's like when you hear people say, oh, he's snitch. That's for streetcats. You know what I'm saying? That's not for us. If you have, if you are a law-abiding citizen and you see a crime, fucking tell somebody. Most streetcats will tell you that too. Like that snitch and shit is not for
Starting point is 01:04:47 us, bro. Report crimes. But like if you if you're out here robbing people, if you're out here hidden legs, if you're out here, you know, doing dirt and then you go and you go and you tell on your man's for the same sense as you do that's that snitching like it's for criminal activity it's funny because i i looked up the lyrics to um to that song that you guys were talking about earlier a murder on my mind yeah and the end of the first versus can't even post on my instagram because these pussy blank word be snitchin these these these these pussy benword be I don't think that qualifies a snitch like you you snitched on yourself you posted on your Instagram you're getting mad that people are taking what you posted on your own social media
Starting point is 01:05:37 platform you snitched on yourself that's that's that's that's the mindful when I started digging into this shit that just blew my mind because like I just haven't been aware of a lot of you know what I'm saying like when you grow up and you around a lot of cats that are involved in that shit like you kind of understand the rules you understand the terminology like you get And it's just the, it's just the total 180 of what I remember of like, don't tell. These cats are telling themselves. I don't understand it. But I guess I think it's the power of social media and social clout and what that does.
Starting point is 01:06:08 And like, you see the, you see like, literally like, so King Vaughn was like, I really like his music, right? But dude was like very active, very active. And he has bodies that he has accounted for. But it's like he would literally drop names of the people that he killed. And because of that dynamic, that garnered more attention to what he was doing and what he was saying. It's like, and like I said, it was just like a snake eating itself. Fans loved it.
Starting point is 01:06:38 He loved that the fans love it. And he fed off that energy as well. So it was like, it just created a monster. And it's sad because it's easy to talk about, but like, yo, like mothers lost these sons. You know what I mean? Like his mother lost his son. his family lost him. Like everybody is never ends well, man.
Starting point is 01:06:58 Jell of death, never ends well. And I would say that if you're putting yourself in that person's shoes, you probably do have certain vague threats that are happening in your life all the time. Like people are threatening you. They're challenging you all the time. It's probably easier said than done to walk away from that sort of thing and let it go than it is to defend yourself and get back into a life that you had at one point. know. Like so I get that. He even said this, right? So he was like, I was watching this one
Starting point is 01:07:28 interview he did. He was like, he's like, well, he said, what I'm supposed to do? We're working McDonald's. He said, I've had so much problems with so many people who are in the same neighborhoods that we are in. He's like, if I work at McDonald's and they see me, he's like, they're going to shoot that shit up. He's like, so where I'm supposed to go? What am I supposed to do? And then it's like, there's an emotional aspect to it where it's like, you know, like dealing with death is hard, right? But when you have a direct catalyst, for why some of your loved ones are dead. And you don't have the emotional capability to deal with that shit.
Starting point is 01:08:00 They're right there. I'm going to go get them. And so that's what feeds the cycle of like an eye for an eye is because they right there. And so in my eyes, it's street justice. And so if you don't have the emotional capacity, be like, I got to break the cycle. I got to stop this shit because they didn't kill 20 of my family members. And I'm going to kill 20 of theirs.
Starting point is 01:08:23 Like, if you don't have that emotional, like, what, what's the solution? The solution is hard. Do we deploy the U.S. military to these neighborhoods and, like, have an occupational nation built? Like, but this is what it sounds like. It's a war zone. No, it is a war zone. But you got to, like, war zones don't pop up out of nowhere. You got to talk about the root of the problem.
Starting point is 01:08:48 The root of the problem is poverty. The root of the problem is lack of resources. You think that the schools that they grow up with, have the same libraries and stuff that the schools of the kids in Chicago have. No, they don't, bro. They don't have the same opportunities, the same resources. And so you dealt with what you've dealt with. Like, this is the monster that this institution creates and the system creates.
Starting point is 01:09:05 And nobody on that side wants to hear it, right? You think, let us just lock everybody up. That'll fix it. No, because they have kids that are going to grow up and be just as resentful and upset and angry. And if there's no food and if there's no money and there's no resources, you're going to have the same cycle. Crime follows poverty. So the problems that are residual in these communities are going to continue to perpetuate if you don't start with the root.
Starting point is 01:09:31 And the root is resources. I'm not saying getting rid of everybody $200,000. I'm saying, how about we look at some of these schools and rebuild some of these schools, give community programs for free, stuff like that, that gives you kids other options. There's no options. I was at one point in my life where I was like, there's no options. So I do drugs. I hang out with my friends.
Starting point is 01:09:51 I didn't see any options. I didn't see, no, going to the NFL was like a hope, but I never really thought it was going to happen. But like, these kids don't see no, they don't see no, there's no, there's no hope. And so deploying military ain't going to do shit, but we have a whole bunch of dead people. That was, that was. What was that cult shit that we saw when, when you brought the military or the police came in? And there was just the standoff. That's what you're going to have.
Starting point is 01:10:16 Yeah. A bunch of dead bodies. Yeah. And you remember this is back when Obama was president. and they were conducting a military operation, like a training operation in Texas. And people freaked out because they were like, oh, shit, this is the National Guard
Starting point is 01:10:31 coming into Institute martial law in Texas. And then the Texas governor, because Alex Jones made such a big stink about it, the Texas governor had to like, I think it might have been Rick Perry at the time. He like told the federal government, like you're not implementing martial law. And it was a common training exercise
Starting point is 01:10:48 that existed anywhere else. Like people are going to be very, very, adamant about standing up for their own home territory whenever there's the National Guard brought in. National Guard doesn't really fix anything if you deploy it on your own citizens. That's, I mean, that's the entire basis behind the Second Amendment is like people want to be armed in case the government tries to send in the military and take over your entire life. Yep. So, I don't know. What is, there's no, there's no easy solution to any of this, but Maybe diverting funds that go overseas back to American cities.
Starting point is 01:11:23 Let's talk about it. Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah. Yeah, maybe we shouldn't like, you know, be, you know, fighting proxy wars to enrich the military industrial complex, you know. Yeah, talking to a leftist, man, absolutely. Correct. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:41 Correct. But then it's like when we thought you thought I was going to say, no, we need to help Ukraine. You thought I was going to say that. It's like when we were talking to Santos the other day, like, they say all that stuff. And it's a very easy way to score points by saying, like, let's not fund the stuff overseas. But then when it comes time to actually figuring out what you want to do to improve things back home, then it's like, okay, well, what are the actual things that you want to do? And then everybody's mouth shuts up. Got money for war, but can't feed the poor.
Starting point is 01:12:10 Pock said that years ago. It's the same shit. They don't, because they actually don't give a fuck about people. they actually don't give a fuck about people bro what would be the first ways to like if you had the budget what would you do how would you fix it I mean you'd have to
Starting point is 01:12:27 the first thing I would do would be hire a massive team a research team to study all inner cities like and report back like what does the report say what is what is lacking what is actually you know what I'm saying like to actually get real raw data to understand these things.
Starting point is 01:12:47 And I'm sure there's massive data out there already. But I would, I would implement a plan on how to do that. And I would talk to community leaders because I think a lot of like narrative, one of the things that bother me the most, especially about the talking point of like, you know, black on black crime, which is fucking stupid. But that's another conversation. But they act like black people don't care about this shit. There's community leaders and grassroots organizations all over this country that work
Starting point is 01:13:14 tired of this shit. And I know because my sister is very involved. She's an activist in Atlanta. She's very, her organization is very involved in all of these kind of issues. Like literally her organization like fixes potholes in neighborhoods and shit like that. Like they care, people care about gang violence and shit. But it's like they don't have the, the resources to do to work that they want to do. And so I would, I would start by getting a team together to research what actually needs to be done. And because it's not a one hat, one size fit hat, whatever the fuck that shit is called it's not it's not a one easy fix every city has different problems and so you have to attack it from with tentacles you can't just like throw money at
Starting point is 01:13:54 the situation and and i think it it really is an easy fix man it's just you do we're not yeah we're just not dedicated my man's is a money manager right my best friend of the world he's a money manager he manages for all your favorite athletes and entertainers he probably manages their money um and one thing he's very adamant about because like when you manage somebody's money and you're not just managing their money you it's like you you have to manage emotions and personalities right um because a lot goes with that if you manage somebody's money they got a mom they got a brother they got a sister they got kids they all have ideas like hey what do you think about this and you have and if you want them to be financially successful you have to educate not just him but
Starting point is 01:14:33 the entire entire tree to understand how to work and operate under this new found wealth And so one of the things that he said that stuck out to me more than anything is like, if you want to know who somebody is, let me see what they spend any money on. He's like, I could tell you exactly who somebody is if you tell me what they spend their money on. And if you look at what America spends their money on, you can see who we are. We are a war-driven country. We love war. And so if you really gave a fuck about people, if you like, for all the shit that they talk about China and they know, look at look at how China treats their education system.
Starting point is 01:15:08 Look at how a lot of these countries treat the education system. We don't spend money on education here. We're talking about defunding schools. You know what I'm saying? Like that's who America is. And so when you look at solutions to the problem, you got to look at what the problem is. The problem is we don't, we don't give a fuck. So if you don't give a fuck, it's going to continue to happen.
Starting point is 01:15:28 And you can keep you keep putting Band-Aids on shit all day, but the shit going to keep leaking. All right, this was an awesome conversation. I had a lot of fun today. and learned hopefully people learn some stuff today um but we can pick this up later i know that we got we got to get bouncing right now um but good nanodosing and we'll be back on wednesday for a longer episode three chee shout out three chee i'm going to have some three chi i actually i left my three chi back in new york i'm coming back up there tonight so i'm going to i'm going to indulge in some three chie tonight shot three cheese promo code macro 15 get a 15% discount on all your three chee needs and we will be back on
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