Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter - Black Holes ft. Brian Cox

Episode Date: May 24, 2022

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Great. Good. We've got in studio. We've got Big T. We've got Avery. We've got Mad Dog. joining us remotely today Arien Coley Billy football from an undisclosed spider hole he's basically like Saddam Hussein we're not allowed to say where he is but he's calling in

and he looks like he's doing really well actually that's a lie I'm lying when I say he looks like he's doing really well Billy looks like he's down bad right now yeah this undisclosed location is hell but moving on Saddam

That was very elegant, Billy, yes. I had a couple things I wanted to talk about before we get into black holes, things of that nature. First of all, I saw an interesting thing on Twitter yesterday. I don't know if you guys got tagged in this as well. Did you know that? So we've talked about the British Crown on the show before. Billy drew some parallels or I guess a direct line of descendant to Vlad the Impaler, Count Dracula, right? Is it Prince Philip?

No, like the whole royal family is related to Count Dracula. The whole royal family. That's interesting, Billy. Like, you know all those old royal families? You know how we talked about they're all related? Yeah. Well, Vlad was just one of them. Got it.

Well, it's interesting that that's one of them because I saw a Twitter thread yesterday that pointed out that, the queen hates garlic so much that she banned buckingham palace chefs from cooking with it isn't that interesting that garlic is one of the things that vampires hate that they can't have around dude what the fuck i'm saying the entire royal family i think billy was right hashtag billy was right the royal family are a bunch of vampires yeah i mean that's one of those things where it's like it's a slippery slope I don't know

it seems pretty cut and dry to me she lives in the foggiest city in the world there's like no sunlight that's the other thing vampires hate right sunlight and garlic but I thought that on age she gets old as fuck

she is there's also thousands of years old though we don't know yeah there's rumors rampant that she's died and that they replaced her with a second queen do they do is that a

Is this still a thing? Like, what does she do? The queen? She just shows up in parades and she waves. She does this wave. The pivot. I don't get that job. What the,

no wrist movement. How do you get that job? What a job. Just show up and people revere you for no, for no reason to have the right name? Yeah, Billy. Billy, what are you saying? Billy's location has no wife. We lost Billy.

Yeah, Arian, I feel like we could, I mean, if, like, Princess Diana had had daughters instead of sons, we could send you over there to infiltrate. You'd be like our Megan Markle. Yeah, I don't know. White women don't really like. Well, I mean, it depends. Prince Foster? He's got a nice right to it. No, he'd, like, lose his last name.

He would be like Prince Aryan or like Duke Aryan of Sussex or something. Yeah, that's actually a good point. If you marry into the royal family as a male, do you have to give up your last name? I don't know. I'm not, I don't really care about my last name anyway. I don't think you give it up, but you become, you take on a title. How excited would they, mom, I'm bringing Aryan home. They'd be thrilled.

Yeah. And then you show up, furious. Thanks. Those are all fakes. You want to talk a little bit, Coley, about your beloved Celtics? We love making things hard on ourselves up here. I don't really particularly care for it. By the time people hear this, it'll be 2-2,

and they'll be curious why I'm complaining so much. But it's a golden opportunity to be at 3-1. I think with the way the Mavs haven't showed up at all, I wouldn't be surprised to see the NBA push this one to 7. which is not what my poorly taken care of heart needs. And I will demolish my boss, all of our boss, Hank, if the Celtics lose this series because it's 1,000% his fault. For the nut tap on Jake Mark?

Tap. The tap? He went overboard. He punched him right in the dick and balls. It's like it's hard as he could. Yeah. And you could see his reaction right after he did it. He knew that he fucked up.

And then later on, he was like, no, here are all the reasons why it wasn't that bad. It was bad. It was a full steam clap. He clapped his cheeks, his front cheeks. Now, it's still early. So I'm not blaming anything on that yet. There's plenty of other things to blame like Jason Tatum just taking a game off. Just taking it easy.

But yeah, I mean, I'm not terribly worried. I do want to go back to one thing you said there. You said the NBA wants to push this series in favor of the Miami heat over the Boston Celtics? No, that's not what I said. Well, you said push it to seven. Yeah. And then risk the heat going to the finals, which they did two years ago. And it was like the worst rated finals of all time.

Well, that was the bubble. That was no one really cared. It was during October. Like, it was like during football season. Still a championship. Not really. I don't know. It was a nice invitational.

nobody cares what y'all think it's getting hung up in the rafters it's in it's getting hung up in the same rafters as a taylor swift banner does that count as a championship which means getting hung up they hang conference titles into banners i know plenty about it aryan it's okay um however i don't i don't think that it's more like i don't think they want to rush to the finals yet and the mabs are just getting fucking demolished i think if they can rush to golden State Boston, they would do that in a heartbeat. It'd be hard to, I mean, I don't, I think as long as they have Golden State, they're pretty happy. I don't think they care too much.

I think they would prefer Golden State Boston for sure, but I don't think they care as long as they have won. Now, do you care to spend more finals the last 25 years than us? Like, they're relatively popular. Like, they have plenty of fans nationwide. Yeah, but in terms of, I mean, the draw, the Celtics are much bigger. They've also, this doesn't get talked about enough for my. liking at least. They've retired 13 and 23 for Dan Marino and Michael Jordan, neither of which

played for the Miami Heat. Like that is, they're too established of an organization at this point to still have those up there. It's embarrassing. Why did they retire Dan Marino? I actually kind of love that. He played for the Dolphins. No race. He was busted in the city. He was one of the greatest quarterbacks of all the time. For sure. I love Dan Marino. I don't think the heat should have No, no, I disagree. Bam, where's 13? Like, they didn't even fully retire. Like, that's Pat Radley.

Is Pat Radley? Pat Riley just, like, he respects greatness this one with that. More cities should do that. I think, I think 23 should be retired from basketball. I agree with that. In Houston? In every city in the world. No one should ever be allowed to, I kind of agree with that.

No. Because that's, no matter who you are as soon as you put it on. You're getting compared to Mike. And also that way, like, that's another shot at LeBron where it's like your number is not going to be retired by everybody, but Michael Jordan's is. I'm a Jordan guy. I think he's, he's my number two of all time, but Jordan's the greatest in my opinion. It is, it is kind of weird, though, that they retired Dan Marino's number. Very strange. Very strange behavior. But, Aaron, you could just say that, like, the, that the Rockets retired your number if they ever retired Jordan's number. It was a

out of respect for 60 touchdowns I had. Absolutely. Is that how many you had? I have no idea. Coley, do you care to respond to the numerous allegations that Peyton Pritchard broke the code when he reached out and grabbed Jimmy Butler's knee and yanked it backwards violently, causing Jimmy Butler to become injured and potentially miss more time? I didn't even, I don't even think I saw that play, to be honest.

It's weird. They're not showing it anywhere, but he reached out. the play that he got his knee injured on, and he's had a dinged-up knee, I think, for the last couple months. But Pritchard reached out and just grabbed Jimmy Butler's knee and tackled him by his leg. And no one's talking about it. It's weird that, like, you haven't even heard about this. I'm going to send you to the group chat real quick. And you try to spend on your way out of this one. No, I mean, I don't even have to see it. I wish we did it to more players. Get Max Trues, get him on the ground. I don't know if we have anyone, maybe Grant, strong.

enough to do any damage to BAM, though BAM doesn't worry me all that much. Yeah, I'm, listen, where seven wins away, we're going to do whatever it takes. This is a role, what would Red hour back do? He'd build a fake court that looked like a court, and then Jimmy Butler would step on it, and he'd fall into a hole. That's not what would happen. That's what Red would do. I just said it to the group chat, so take a look.

Let me know what you think. Have you been watching winning time, though? Oh, yeah. Winning time is great. It's really good. John C. Riley's amazing in it. Dr. Cawley, are you seriously hopeful that Southwix can win the championship this year? I think I was one of the first people to say that it was the championship aspirations for the Celtics.

I don't see it. I mean, until game three, they were the odds on in favor, which doesn't mean much for me since they fluctuate game to game. But, yeah, I mean, we can beat absolutely anybody. So watch that clip and tell me that's not a dirty play by Peyton Pritchard. Pretty bad, right? I mean, I remember watching, now that I remember the play, I remember being very confused, like, because they had just called a moving screen on the other end. So I remember being furious that this also wasn't called a moving screen after Peyton Pritchard was tackled to the

ground um so this feels like just good old karma in my eyes well what the this is i've never seen this in basketball brer yeah it seemed like the uh the old roger clemens when he threw the bad at the guy he's like i thought it was the ball that's what he's saying after the play he's like i was reaching for the ball no that you just tackle him by his no he was using that man to stand himself up clearly but yeah i mean i now that i recall the play i don't remember watching that and thinking like oh why did he do that i remember watching that and being like classic refs fucking over the celtics it's been a weird series man very weird series people get on me for complaining about the refs like that is basketball that's part it's the same thing in soccer like that's

basketball i'll never sit here after a game and be like the refs cost us that game unless some like true new orleans saint's shit happens to us and even then i'll think probably find someone on the, huh? That was so bad. Right. That's what I mean. It has to be that egregious, but like, tackle the shit out of them. Basketball has, I don't know, like 200 plays throughout a given game.

Like, more often than not, the correct team wins a game. Okay. Coley, I'm going to call cap on that. This is official cap call. I'm calling cap because I'm just doing this right now, have not looked it up at all. I just searched Coley Mick refs. Yeah, throughout the game, I caught. talk about them the whole time. Yeah, the entire time. You talk more about the

refs than your opponent. Correct. The refs are the opponent. Imagine what the score would be if the refs got a single out of bounds call, correct. That's when we're up 30 in game two. It just, that seems to me like an excuse. It's not an excuse. My, my, what did I just say? Were you even listening? I said after the game, I'll never blame the refs. During the game, yeah, I'm on their ass. I don't know I feel like you're a big blame the refs guy literally never after a game

I mean I was I call this the softest team in sports history when we didn't box out against the bucks like and that was a game most people were bitching about the refs you're complaining about moving screens yeah if when they call it on one end and they do not call it on the very next play

that's infuriating Jalen gets punched in the chest every time he dribbles and it's fine I yeah yeah you know 90% of your game is spent complaining about the rest but after it's over you just pretend like after it's over I tell you what happened yeah we I mean jason tanem did not show up last game I think we shot 25 more free throws than Miami did last game it is to blame his son yeah nice yes let's get that discourse go people are even Celtics fans are starting to turn on dues and that's not the energy we need it's just getting too it's just getting too much it's just all right bro put you kid up I mean he's on the team

he's not on the team he's on the team well they need to cut him yeah so yeah sim to the g league he's better than freedom that would be funny if if they actually like had some g league player take deuce around

be like okay we need we need you to spend more time learning how to be a good son show up at the drew league this summer did you see um he does freedom's birthday over the weekend did you see who he had his party with Yeah, he's a Fed. That's crazy.

That's what I said on the show, I thought I was crazy. Like, he literally had the FBI. Was the FBI or the CIA? There's the FBI. The FBI threw him his birthday party. Wow, he took a picture and blurt all their faces out. Yeah. Like, yo, you spent your birthday with the feds dog?

What the fuck? That's weird, though. That's 100% weird. It's so weird. Were they wearing the jackets? I don't know they were just in regular they was there was street fans

street clothes fans but it was just like why would you like you're at in his freedom you got some bread on you you're gonna go to the feds celebrate though that that's like the biggest

bootlicker move probably in like history that's a top of see I thought these right wangers didn't trust the fans though I don't understand this shit it's like they like them sometimes they move the goalpost

they move the goopos I don't know enough about In his freedom, is he a right winger or is he just like kind of, because he's been all over the map. I feel like the last couple years. He's one of those, he's one of those, uh, almost centrist guys, but he, you know what I mean, you pull the hat off and he's right wing. Dude, I think he's more of a foreign agent. I mean, I think he's a national security risk now that I've been about it. He's probably embedded with the feds to find out stuff. Like, we talked about how he's part of a foreign, like a, like a Turkish secret society. And he's been like a, he's a sleeper cell,

Like 100%. I don't find anything wrong with that. I'm often. Like, stop it. In the games. That is a weird move, though, to just, like, have a birthday party with federal agents. I don't think... Not even just a birthday.

The coolest birthday party. But how cool can your birthday party get if everybody there is in law enforcement? Boring as fuck. What? Like, that's the thing. I can't remember the last time that I hung up. out and had a good time without somebody at that place doing something illegal. And it's like varying descriptions of, of like how illegal it would be, but like somebody's

always breaking a law. It just happens all the time. If you, if you hang out with people and nobody is breaking or coming close to breaking any sort of law, it's probably a boring time. Like at the very least start like doing retransmissions of major league baseball games without express written consent like boys and I we get together we're like videotaping old school VHSs we're bootlegging those you know how it goes like if the FBI's looking over my shoulder I'm feeling scared the whole time I'm nervous honestly I've been to a cop's birthday party and they're they're like outside of the force they're chill yeah no cops break the law a lot yeah but the thing is the only thing is like if you're hanging out and there's like

nothing but cops around. I feel like they're less likely to break the law because they're, like, looking over their shoulder. I don't know who I can trust who I can't. I'm just like 13. He's in a picture with 13 federal agents. Like, what is the, where, what the, what the, maybe these guys are cool guys, right?

Maybe these guys are cool. No, they're not. No, I take it back. The swag is horrible. If they were cool, why their face was so blur? Yo, the belly hangover with the tucked in

shirt I'm not a fan of We got any cell phone clips I think one of the dudes has a cell phone lanyard around his neck And one of them got a big ass arm What is this? What is this?

Bro, the fuck Yo Oh my God, I'm just I'm not bugging Look at this dude's arm Just his The one on his leg Oh, that's crazy

That's crazy Wait, is he like one of those arm wrestlers That have one jacked arm I doubt it, man He's a federalizer Dude, I actually am just seeing the photo For the first hand even looks bigger Like his right hand looks bigger

That's all I don't know Is that Photoshop? That's the long arm of the law Yeah, dude He looks like one of those professional arm wrestlers That one arm is just gigantic While the other ones aren't Nah, no, no, I see

He's just married That's what it is yeah uh it's all a joke it's all a joke i appreciate it um big tea how are you feeling what's new what's new in the mind of of big tea um not a whole lot man city won the premier league yesterday congratulations uh pretty sick comeback um five or three goals in five minutes right it was awesome um other than that how did you decide to become a man city fan so i didn't watch soft ever until quarantine and then I started playing FIFA because like I'd played every other video game I had and so my buddy was a big soccer fan so we started playing FIFA together and I played with Man City because

they had a uniform that year that everyone else hated but I loved it was like neon green shorts that like faded into a gradient and like a pink shirt it looked ridiculous but it was cool so I played with them all the time and then when the Premier League was like the first sport to come back and so then I knew the players on Man City because I played with them so that's like the team I watched. Okay. And so then,

and then it turns out when I came back to New York, the Man City bar is like right next to my apartment. Perfect. That's just good a reason as any. I don't like people that look down on on Americans. Yeah, and everybody's like, oh, Man City, like, well, first of all,

they're like notorious choke artists. They try to fuck everything up all the time. Secondly, if someone from England started watching college football, like I wouldn't expect them to be, you know, well, I'm going to be a fan of Akron. Right. They would watch Alabama or Ohio State or a team that's on TV all the time.

What a shot at Akron, our beloved Zips. I mean, that's, I think they are like statistically the worst FBS, probably maybe UMass, no offense. No, Akron's way worse. I don't know if anyone's worse than UMass. It's Akron and UMass, like usually going back and forth. Being from Cleveland, every kid from my high school would sign with Akron thinking they were like the shit for going D1 football and then they would win like one game. I mean, there are FCS teams that would beat the shit out of Akron.

There are D3 teams that would beat the shit. Yeah, Mount Union might beat them. Yeah, Mount Union is the shit. Yeah, I think more, like, better players sometimes commit to Mount Union over Akron. 100,000. Just like local guys. Kids who never even saw the field in high school would commit to Akron. Mountain Union, for those who don't know, is just an absolute D3 powerhouse win the D3 tournament every, like almost every year.

Absolute studs there. So, Matt Dogg. you're saying that like a high school football team could beat akron then if the players that are committing to akron okay i'm not saying that okay i'm not saying that the worst kids of all time we're going to akron also no offense anyone plays football for it's too late it's way too late for that now whatever way too late whatever yeah mad dog you came at i did but like it was it's like those kids a lot of the kids that go there are the kids that are like the the meme of like no no days off grind grind mindset like blah blah blah and then they go to akron and then it's like

hold on hold on hold up hold up hold up there's a deeper story here mattie did you have an ex-boyfriend that's what it sounds like i actually don't i actually don't you're not this passionate about acron football dog there's no way like like you scow you scouring rivals dot com to see the signings of the 2022 that's actually what i'm doing right this second i have no if you if you look up if you look up my brother high school a ton of them go there. It's not that I have any beef with anyone that goes there. It's just like people love to say

that they're going to like go to the fucking NFL from Akron and like they're like the shit and it's like you go to Africa. It's just definitely rooted in something. I don't have any beef. I rarely remember you chiming in on any like recruiting talk.

When it came to Akron, you unloaded the fucking clip. It was a very specific example You know guys that post like shit on Instagram Like hashtag 4 a.m. No days off. I promise I have no beef with anyone like specific that goes to Akron.

It's just like it's the conglomerate of people I know that went there. I'm like, oh. It's a composite character. Yeah. All of Mad Dog's ex-boyfriends. Student athlete Twitter. I mean, as someone... It's disgusting.

I don't know if Twitter was that... Aaron, when you were in high school, there was no Twitter, right? There was no Twitter. It was meshes boards and AOL chat rooms. Yeah. MySpace wasn't so, call it. So the Twitter, so the original reason I got Twitter was for recruiting. And basically this whole, like, a lot of people were just doing that persona of, like, grind every day, like, no day.

Like, you know, posting a bunch of, like, emojis and, shit and like, you know, huddle in your bio, like your GPA, your ACT, just like your stars in the bio, like student athlete Twitter, like, it's so, it became such a meme that like you could give off a good, like, if you were able to mimic it and almost like take the piss out of it, a lot of coaches like like like that shit. So if you were good at like maybe not even being one of those people, but just like having that persona on Twitter, like it was actually advantageous so like if you were to you know a certain persona may have been invented out of student athlete twitter i think corny athletes have been around long before twitter man i know but there was

just like but like you couldn't be corny in real life but you could fake being corny on twitter okay okay so pre so pre that before like the internet it was dudes that wouldn't work out hard but when the coach is watching, they go hard as well. Yeah, yeah. That's them. That was me. And basically every sport that I ever played, it was like, okay, I was really good at knowing when the coaches look in the other direction and just loafing the fuck out of whatever exercise I was doing. No, you've got to have that quote where it's like hustle hard and silence.

Let success make your noise. Yeah, there's somebody. Maddie a load in the clip, dog. It's wild, though. That's for sure something that whoever she knows that played football at Akron. I'll tell you, bro, something to happen, man. Holy shit. Yeah, I bet.

It's okay, Matt, dog. No, they were definitely, they were definitely, they were definitely duches. They were definitely duches that rolled up to, like, Maddie's girl school parties, like, all the brother school guys. Yeah. Yeah. They're just, like, we're total tools. Yeah. Akron, what?

A.K. Rowdy. I mean, they definitely were, like, bringing backpacks to parties. Yeah. Like, oh, wow. Thank you. Thank you, Coach Smith. for this opportunity. Wait, what's, what's this?

I'm not familiar with this stereotype. The guys that brought backpacks to parties. Yeah. Walking through that. That's the guys who had the alcohol. It used to be like you'd go to these, I don't know, like in high, it's just this weird thing where like dudes would just roll up to parties and they'd all be, they all had like backpacks.

Yeah. My brother's like, my brother was this kid. Yeah, I used to be one of these kids do. And it was like, it was this mystique. of what the hell is in the back guy. Wait, wait, time about, man. Tell me about Billy said, Billy said, yeah, dudes used to roll up to these parties.

And I used to be one of these dudes. And then called it a mystique. Yeah, the mystique. The aura of the backpack. You'd all be like outside somewhere and you'd all just like, just a bunch of dudes with backpacks. And no one was like, they were all dressed like, I don't know, it was just like a weird time from high school.

I'm looking back on it. It just like sometimes people would bring backpacks with nothing in them. Most of the time they had Mike's hearts. Wait, so what were they dressed like? You were about to say, like, the backpack guys always wore what? I mean, you'd wear, like, if it was an outdoor party, you'd wear, like, fucking slides. You'd, like, pretend. I mean, you'd be, like, coming from a game, and then you'd be going to, like, some high school, like, bonfire type thing.

So guys that would wear sandals outside in the summer, that was a weird thing. No, but they always had. No, it was elites and slides, and then you'd be wearing sweatpants. And, like, it just wasn't, like, fashionable all. And looking back, it was just like, I don't know, but like anything could be in the backpack. Like, one dude rolls up to a party with a huge gigantic dab rig with like a blowtorch. And it's like, what the fuck? Like, that was in the backpack.

Unlike you now who you're the epitome of fashion. When you roll up wearing like your tactical khakis with like the zip off. them and then the toe shoes now you're way cooler i'm just dressing utilitarian now isn't that the backpack though no but the backpack was just looking for trouble like the people wearing backpacks like we're either stealing things bringing bad things like you know you're outside at a fire what was there to steal well even if you're at like a house party like you dress the same way like inside or outside it doesn't matter backpack stays on backpack stays on backpack stays on. Okay, I'm keeping my eyes out for kids

and backpacks now. I'm adding that to the list. You guys have convinced me. They'd always be clinking. They'd have their, they've had their little bottles that they stole from their parents. They'd just be clinking. You have to walk all weird. And then there would be like rumors that like, oh my God, like this dude brought a gun in his backpack. And everyone would be like, fuck. I didn't have those rumors

at my high school. What's in the backpack? So that's why. You would just bring the backpack because people would assume like maybe he's got a weapon. It was weird. Weird time of the life. Billy's not confirming nor denying that statement. No, he's not. All right.

Oh, yeah, we were talking about Man City and how you would become like a Man City fan. I don't have a problem with anybody picking like an overseas team, just like you were saying. I wouldn't have a problem with somebody from England picking just a random football team in America to follow. Like every game they plays on TV, they're very competitive, very good. Yeah, I don't expect you to have, like, if you live in London

and I don't know, you're a Raiders fan, I don't expect you to have like a cousin or, an uncle that grew up in Oakland you know like there's there doesn't need to be any sort of connection there if you just want to become a fan of an overseas now if it were like if you just got into football right now and you became like two years ago if you decided that you were going to be a Kansas City Chiefs fan which kind of is what it's like but also I didn't know that I didn't know how good they were yeah feels like an important thing I get the ratings on FIFA yeah no they were they're a very good team but I didn't know that like like you know whatever they're every

game they plays on TV. How do you feel about their ownership? Um, you know, I think, I think they've done a great job rebuilding the club. I think that, uh, with whose money? You know, there, the money comes where it comes from, Erling Holland doesn't come cheap, you know, it's funny that big T just, like, you could have picked any team, but he decides to just become a fan of the team whose owner has a nefarious past. Every soccer owner has nefarious pass. New York. Castle just got bought practically by the Saudi Arabian government. Oh, did you see that thing about Nintendo? Was that real?

I'm going to guess no. I don't know what it's about. Take your bets. He'll say, I read somewhere that my uncle actually works for Nintendo and he can get me all the cool games first. Mario's not actually a talent. Okay, according to hard drive.net. Okay.

All right. He sounds reputable. I love it. This is the story. cannot confirm it, but Nintendo announces female characters will no longer be able to drive Mario Carts following Saudi Arabia investment because they invested in Nintendo. All right, so I went to harddrive.net and it's not a real website. So, okay, that may, so Saudi Arabia definitely acquired a 5% stake in Nintendo, but it's debunked.

Is Nintendo really axing female characters? Okay, it's debunked. Yeah, yeah, Billy, it's, you literally fell for an, Onion article. That's just a purely satirical. It's a joke they're making about the Saudi money and the hypocrisy. And you thought it was real. No, I just remember seeing that headline. I didn't give any thought to whether it was real or not because I didn't really care. Like, you just checked it off. This is correct. No, I literally just fact check myself on air. Can we like, you know, applaud some growth. Please. You still try. I'm trying to sign. real hard. You know what? I'm starting to get sick of applauding your growth, Billy, because I feel

like there's been a lot of growth acknowledgement, but there's no actual growth. But I, like, literally, I just thought it was something, I mean, speaking Saudi Arabian investments and things, like, that was something I saw recently. It's like congratulating Billy every week on getting his head unstuck from a giant bucket of water. It's like, okay, yeah, you got out again. Good job. But at some point, I'd like you to stop sticking your head. into it. But I mean, wasn't that a good contribution to the show, just debunking and just bringing up that headline?

Yeah, no, it was great. Billy, I'll highlight one of your wins. You had a ratio on this dude who said that grown men who wear jerseys to games need to stop and he made a 10 tweet thread. And Billy just responded ratio and he got like 6,000 more likes. I mean, this guy, what a, what a thread from this guy. Now, should you, so what was this guy's point of why you shouldn't be where he went? I'll read through it.

Number one, dude, your playing days are over. I'm sorry, truly. It's not easy. No fantasy camp or game tickets can bring it back. So you might as well get on with dot, dot, dot, life. And part of life is growing up as an adult. Adults don't wear other adults underwear, pants, or suits. So why would you worship another adults playing jersey?

Adults wouldn't be an adult in all caps. there's a there's a part of like hyper masculine alpha twitter that doesn't like watching sports because it's like why would you watch another grown man play a sport like i don't know it's like golden tate but not golden tate uh andrew tate vibes if you know who that is that's the famous like i never watched star wars yeah yeah no i've noticed that recently people that they just get themselves in this mental pretzel and they they overthink everything it really shows how insecure they are it's like how can you ever cheer for another man to do something that you can't do yourself like if you back in the caveman days would you ever acknowledge like a better hunter than you

they always go back to like the caveman days and and like correlate to our lives and society how like in in this like weird mindset of they think that they are actually strictly cavemen that just happened to wear like suits and ties now instead of the loincloths. Keep me away from them motherfuckers. They say I'm dumb. Ariad, if you ever saw a guy wearing your jersey, would you be like,

yo, look at this cuck. I can't believe that this guy is such a big fan of mine. Or would you be like, that's cool that somebody's wearing my jersey? I assume that they are cool as fuck. Yeah. That's what I assume. Because to wear my jersey in, what is it, 2022? You have to be a fan of me as who I,

am because like there's plenty of you know players to rep your team so like you got to be a fan of me so we should we should make macrodosing arian foster jerseys that'd be pretty cool no no it wouldn't be cool video and was was your video was your jersey ever won on a music video i don't know i don't know about a music video or anyone like that maybe yeah i think so Yeah, yeah, yeah, somebody from Houston for sure. It would be cool. It would be cool if you had like a macrodosing baseball jersey. Yeah.

Replied us if you'd wear that. I'm down with the baseball jersey. Yeah, that'd be sick. We have some, by the way, we have some sick merch coming. I think I sent the teaser in our group chat, but we got like a bunch of other things coming for the summer. So look out. We got the, we got the yay and A for the swim trunks. I'm working on that.

I think we'll get a yay on that. I don't think he did. I don't think we have. It's Monday. I think we have. I think we have the chance again. So you didn't is what you're saying. We got a podcast first, Aaron.

I got you. Don't worry. That was like last week. I said it was last week. No, it was over the weekend. Send the email off, duh. I will. I got you.

Trying to get these swim trunks. I got you. Aaron, I will say that your jersey is a big dardy jersey. Dardy? Yeah, like, dude. Yeah, you got a big dardy jersey. Day party. Day party.

What is it? A day party. Day party. I don't. I don't, I don't even know. day party jersey what does that even mean show up to a frat at noon

and everybody's drinking and they're all wearing like Michael Jordan Space Jam jersey and backpacks tons of back no no no the backpacks

the backpack kids are at those dardies now and they're not wearing Airy and foster jerseys we got to make like a a Billy football backpack the equivalent of a jersey I'm one of Billy football

is backpack guys actually that would be pretty tough i think one of your guys uh deemed me doc yeah because at the end of the conversation he said say what's up to billy for me left my ass off but this is how the conversation went he said he said hey bro i scooped up aryanfoster dot eth let me know if you want it i said i don't even know what that is bro he says websites have dot com right crypto has dot eth like you can send money to arian foster that eth or texas longhorns dot eth or shack and colby dot eth and that money

would go to me he said chelsa a chelsa fc chelsea went for okay chelsea fc eth went for 5k last week pelicans dot eth went for 3k a couple days ago so i'm like buying up college related ones and athletes said that's grimy as fuck but i don't want it The thing with it, though. You said, yeah, I figured. Say what's up to buildy for.

That's actually kind of genius. Yeah. Someone turns down. Oh, it's not as much grimy. Well, everyone's always. Those aren't mutually exclusive. Yeah, everyone's always on the lookout for the next, like, online real estate. It's the dot-com era.

Yeah, so imagine if you had bought, like, if you've gone back in the day and bought eBay.com and then, like, 10 years later, a company starts up and they call themselves eBay, and you're like, guess what? I've already got this. How much you're going to pay me? There's a dude I follow on Twitter whose name is at Advil. He's just a cool dude. This is a regular cat.

I think he's a photographer. He's from ball. He loves Celtics and the Patriots. I don't know him. Never met him, but he's funny sometimes. I've been following for years. And he has at Advil. And like they ended up blocking him because I can't see when he gave it so.

Like Adville, the company. It's fucking hilarious. There was a dude that hit me on Facebook, like 2010. And he was like, or 11 maybe. And he was like, hey, I got the domain name, Arian Foster. I'm going to run a porn site on it. And I was like, dope, do it. Wait, I'm going to go to Arianfoster.com.

Let's see. Oh, God. I don't even know. Also, Arian, you were talking about that business that you got into when you were in the league where you would allow people to buy shares of your future earnings, like treating yourself like a stock. Could anybody short you? Like, if you went to the Dolphins, could I be like, you know what?

I'm going short on Arian, I feel like his hamstring, I feel like that's going to come back on him. Could I have made money off that? No, it's like you buy and sell stocks of a, of a company. And so it's like if you feel like I'm going to tank or whatever, like you would sell and then somebody would buy. Aryanfoster.com is for sale. $3,000. Does it say $3,000? Mm-hmm. I don't want it.

Ransom note? No, it's like when you can click on it and it's like a generic website and it says this Don't main maybe for sale and I clicked on that and then it just has the price. I mean, if they really wanted to get money off Aryan, they should just sell like on Ayn Rand Books on Arianfoster.com and be like, listen, you'll buy it then. Oh, there was one other thing I want to talk about. I don't know if you guys saw this last week, but there's a conservative, he's like, he calls himself a Groyper, which is like some, it's white nationalist adjacent thing.

his name's Nick Fuentes and he was making a lot of really strong points on one of his live streams last week when he was talking about how tell me more pfd yeah yeah okay i'm going to red pill you right now i'm pretty sure you'll agree with this actually because it makes almost too much sense but uh he was saying that he does not have sex with women because it's the most homosexual thing you can do is actually to have sex with women because a male a masculine male would be effemitizing himself. I don't know if that's an actual word, but you have to become so effeminate in your mannerisms

in order to get close to a woman and open yourself up emotionally to a woman to have sex with one that's actually very gay. So curious to know where we stand about that going around the room. Fellas, is it gay to have sex with a woman? There's no way he was saying. He's a troll. He's trolling. I don't think he was trolling.

Because I've seen him, I could be wrong. I'll admit if I'm wrong because the thought did occur to me that he was trolling, but I didn't care to like dig that much deeper into Nick Fuentes' online collection.

But I did watch the clip in its entirety and I think he was being serious. Send that to the group, please. So his point is it's gay to have sex with women because you have to show emotion and showing emotion is feminine and any kind of feminine walk towards that spectrum.

is gay. Yeah, I think that about sums it up. That might be the dumbest that I've ever heard. Dude, that's classic just in-cell thought process. This guy actually, this isn't the Nick Fuentes guy. This is someone who says he's quoting him, but it says the only really straight heterosexual position is to be an asexual in-cell.

What the fuck? Yeah, exactly. They have thought themselves into a, box of stupid. Holy shit. Wouldn't they want to be Vol cell at that? I was going to say if you're asexual, that's

inherently antithetical to being an in-cell. Do people claim themselves as vol cells? I guess that's what asexual is, I guess. Nons do. Yeah.

I don't believe that shit. No, definitely not. Me neither, but that's what they're supposed to be. I don't believe none of. They all be beating off or beating somebody off, beating each other off. I believe none of that shit. I saw a similar one. I'll see if I can find it, but it was just a bunch of dudes standing in there, like, the best way to increase testosterone is to asexually standing around naked with a bunch of men.

It was wild. I got to find this. Explain that one to me. I don't know. tagged me in it like and I was just like this is a good sign it says a lot about you as a person

what you get tagged in it was it was made that I was like it was just ridiculous there was another thing that was sent to us I actually think

Big T found this online and fired it off to the group chat here no sorry it was Billy of course it was Billy I think we should We should discuss this. This is from the bodybuilding forums.

I know the greatest collection of minds on planet. It really is. It really is. So Billy sent this to the group. So let's embrace debate. What is the macro nutrient breakdown of eating pussy? I'm currently on a strict cut before I go to Vegas next year. So I wanted to give myself plenty of time to get into shape.

By the way, this was written in April of 2010. So this guy is on a strict cut before he goes to Vegas in 2011, which at the minimum is like eight months away. Probably he's like already preparing for his Vegas trip eight months in advance. Respect. However, I haven't been losing weight and didn't know why since my diet is in check 100% and the calories are right. Anyway, I was chatting to my gym buddy recently and we were talking about girls we were hooking up with, et cetera. So I said I'd been eating a ton of pussy lately. and how last month I'd eat in five different pussies in the space of 24 hours.

Wow. So he said, that's why I'm not losing weight because pussy's very calorie dense. And I didn't know if he was serious or not. If that's true, would eating lots of pussy during a bulk be beneficial event? Thanks in advance. Thanks in advance is what I really appreciate because this is just a guy looking for answers. And he knows he's about to get him. Look at the response.

Like I said that a response to it, I mean, talking about the original thing, like, I mean, yeah, Jim Bros can calculate how much is on the bar just by looking at the number of one side with knowing multiples of 45 and 25 and they're like the smartest gym math guys ever, but it gets bad when they're misinformed. Yeah. I just, is he thinking? he like is it is he it's not serious this can't be serious i think you think he out here like because he's not he's not doing it big he's just out here handing out favors that's not i mean

five five pussies in the span of 24 hours that's it's like john it's indulgent it's indulgent it is yeah it is indulgent after the fourth one like you can't enjoy the fifth one right your job's exhausted after four you're like uh can we can i pencil you're in for like like uh can we can i pencil in for like tomorrow afternoon I just because I'm gonna need to be drinking milkshakes for the next week if I keep this drink going that's that's one every four hours

and 45 minutes yeah it's a lot of pussy hours and yeah I don't I don't have that desire in me man also does he think that you're like is he like like biting and swallowing I mean so I've had this question about chewing your tongue here

how does how does gum have calories We don't swallow gum. Right, but like it, but it has calories and shit. You start digesting once something hit your tongue. Yeah. It's like the sugars that absorb it to your spit. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. So you chew gum, the sugar comes out of the gum,

and you end up probably also swallowing some of that spit, yeah. Also, it's like less than five calories a stick. That is the same. It is the same principle, yes. Yeah. Do vegans do that? Just curious. Areas?

Eat pussy? Do we eat vagina? Yeah, I guess that's what I'm asking. Well, when I was vegan, I did for sure. Yeah. So Billy's right, you were a fraud vegan. Fraud vegan. You don't swallow it.

Apparently you do if you're gaining all this weight. Oh, the juices. I mean, there is an argument there That you're ingesting things from an animal. Yeah. I mean, I see the argument for sure. There's a response. Here's a response.

This was a response from bearded freak. His tagline, bearded underscore freak, tagline 5% pleasure, 95% pain from Ontario, Canada. He's 34. He has 687 posts on bodybuilding for him. And his rep power was 335, which I, think they give you your rep by how much you bench press on there. So he said they aren't high in fat or carbs, but they do contain a significant amount of estrogen.

This will undoubtedly have a negative effect on your test levels. I'll advise you to stop eating pussy, but if you must try to eat some semen too, preferably your own or whatever floats your boat to balance it out. Preferably your own though. Yeah. I feel like we move on from this. this conversation. I feel like we've extracted just about everything we can. I do, I do wish that

body, to not be gay by eating vagina, you, you must ingest some semen to balance out your testosterone levels. This logic is undeniable. Either that or just stand naked around a bunch of guys. While eating semen, you'll be the manliest man ever. What's the conversation like when you're just standing nude around a bunch of dudes? Just like, I bet my T's, my T's spiking right now. That's his classic locker room talk. Whoever gets the chub first, you kick him out. Yeah. See ya.

It's like, it's, I mean, locker rooms, like, there may be truth. Yeah. Yo, white dudes did the weirdest shit in the locker rooms, bro. I don't know what it is, but, like, white humor is, like, automatically go gay. Like, it's just as soon as, like, as fast as you can go gay, that's funny. Like, they used to do shit like, like run around and they used to tuck their jump between their legs and they used to run around. It's in the NFL. Let's go with the mangina, you're in.

Come on. Yes. Yes. And I never understood. I was like, what the fuck are you all doing? I just never understood this shit, dog. I've never understood this shit. You've never done the mangina.

I've never tucked my shit, no. And then, well, it's a double bonus because then you can turn around and then you bend over and then that's the fruit basket. It's the goat. They are the goat, yeah. I don't, see what I'm saying? I don't know. I think I was talking about it before on this show, but like, like, you walk into the train room.

It was like, fucking 5.30 in the morning, like, Aaron, come here, bro. Come here, come here. What would you rather do? Would you rather swallow a whole horsecock and drink a whole gallon of cow sperm? And I was like, what the fuck are y'all talking about? I'm crushing, shut up.

Bro, I'm not doing none of that. that shit. Come on, but you have to, but you have to. I'm like, I don't. I'm like,

why do I have to? It was all, I'd never, and it's it, they'd be cracking up lying. I'd rather to use a horse car. I was like, but what the fuck is wrong with y'all, man?

We are so getting that Spotify deal. See, to be to answer the question. It's funny. Like, that's, like sometimes guys, we don't,

we don't know how to bond with other dudes. So we just like, we say the most disgusting things possible to each other to avoid saying anything meaningful, you know? I mean, Aaron's right. This is for sure a cultural thing. Yeah.

Aaron, you went mute for a second. I'm a bad. Oh, you're back. No, my bad. I'm getting, like, literally, you know, my upstairs is, like, pretty much done now. My downstairs is literally tearing out the kitchen right now and this is loud as fuck.

So what would the black dudes in the locker room what would your version of the white guys being like, yo, how many horses could you suck down in an hour? Like, what would your version of that be? Like when you're bonding with each other and like, say a white guy comes in the training room and it's,

it's you and one of your friends, uh, at, you know, five o'clock in the morning getting treatment. That, that's not how I, like,

I understand like that's how they think is funny. But like, there's no like equivalent to that. Like, like, would you rather, I guess? Your hypotheticals would be like, which, which chick would you rather have? Yeah, it would be like, all right, would you rather like mess with J-Lo or maybe mix and match body parts maybe? But like, never, never. I don't understand the like bestiality obsession.

Like, it was always like, it always involved animals and goats and horses and it was just like weird, man. Would you rather fuck a goat and nobody knows or don't and everyone thinks you did? no i'm asking you the question yeah that's that was actually a big one it's an easy one i'm i don't give a fuck if you think i fuck a goat i'm not fucking a goat yeah yeah i mean everyone thinks i fucked a frog so i thought somebody's well fuck the frog i i would actually put my money on yeah you probably fucked a frog i didn't fuck a frog you definitely like touched your penis to a frog yes have you ever gotten a frog off

Oh, bro. I seen something, where was that? Was it, oh, it was a crab. No, it was a crab. It was a crab. Like, some dude was telling you how to, like, make crabs, like, so they don't try to snap at you. And you basically, like, rub the bottom of the joint. And you basically get him off.

And then they just go left. I've seen that on Twitter somewhere. There are a lot of other ways to not get bitten by a crab. Never go in the ocean. Not that fast. So you just walk away. yeah really you can either you can either jack it off or you can take half a step backwards I just imagine this guy like those those options I mean oh man what am I going to do if you

ever find yourself in that pickle dude I just imagining a guy at the beach like walking by like no one can see anything but all of a sudden he's just damn back I've got he just jumps on the floor lays down and everyone's like what's going on he starts rubbing a crab he's like don't worry i have no choice in the matter yeah i'm no hero i'm just right i just did what anybody else would do in that situation how far could you throw a crab do you think oh like a blue crab i think you're better off i think you're better off with the frisbee vibe yeah like Just the actual toss, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it would spin. So I used to crab.

I'm on a good 30, 40 yards. Or 3040 yards. That's very possible. I used to crab and just like take a piece of string and then tie it to like muscles that you crack. And then you put them in between two rocks, like the rocky part of the beach. And you'd be able to pull up some huge crabs. I went time I pulled one up. And it, it clamped on me.

And then I like in reaction. threw my arm with the crab connected to it. And it launched pretty far away. That would be sick if you were like in a, in a fight with somebody and you just started throwing crabs at them. Like imagine getting hit the face with a flying crab. That marble, that Marvel character would be. That's a superpower.

Can summon crabs at will. Crab, man. Did you guys see that, I was like reading about this theory that like in evolution, everything just evolves into crabs. that like in various different times in the fossilized era there's been many animals that evolved into what looks like crabs being like a multiple-legged um double-clod animal you you started this with did you guys see this where would we have seen this oh well i mean it was on twitter but i'm on a different part of hardwired dot net so wait you're

saying that evolution is real but it's in reverse like we're all turning in we're going back to the ocean yeah like why everything eventually becomes a crab carnis carcinization uh it's on wikipedia it's an example of co virgin evolution in which a crustacean evolves into a crab like form from a non crab like form so it's just like one of those things that works i don't i don't it sounds like it's bullshit so animals keep evolving into crabs and scientists don't know why it's true crabs keep turning up in nature and it's bothering scientists so much by the way when they use the word crab like a lot of crabs aren't actually related the phenomenon it's like sharks and dolphins the phenomenon is Billy mentison the link and he just sent a link to better help I did

which is a great oh whenever I got it's great service whenever I got trolls in the DMs, I just send them better help. I kind of love that. I like that too, yeah. Like when people are just yelling obscene shit on the DMs for no reason, I just am like, all right, dude, like, you definitely have some problems that you're trying to take out on me. Send them the promo code too.

I do. No, make those guys pay full price. That's fair, actually. No, no, but I want to show that I'm like really, you know, viving for the sponsors I'm finding it's targeted ads for the really troubled people not to say that people who need help are usually angry like that but

people who are angry like that usually need help correct not all not all squares are rectangles or not all rectangles are squares that's good I think mad dog should book an appointment with better help to talk about her animosity towards Akron I use better help I'm already on it there you go talk about Akron next time i might i feel like that's an entire entire session i'm sorry to the university of acin football

team i'm sorry the zips yeah i thought a square squares are rectangles rectangles are not necessarily squares that okay that's what i was getting at okay and they're both parallelogram i was going to say like is a parallelogram a rectangle no you need four right angles you need two parallels you need rectangles have four right angles yeah so some parallelograms are rectangles yes depending but not all and then there's uh where does the rombus come in the rombus the rombus is a parallelogram um but i think a rambus might need to have oh a rombus has four equal sides no because if you had four equal sides it'd be a square no one because the angles can be different Oh, the angles would add up.

Yeah, I think it has equal sides. And then there's our, the one, honestly, was one of my favorite shapes. Oh, but I'm forgetting the name of it. It's not a rhombus, but it was a, it was had one pair of parallel sides and, oh, what was it called? A trapezoid? Got to be a trapezoid. It's got to be a trapezoid. That sounds like classic zoid.

Let's go around. What are your favorite shapes? Billy said trapezoid. I like an octagon. I'm a dodecahedron. Octagon? I like a hexagon. I'm a circle guy, man.

Yeah. I think it's really, what's yours? Everything in nature is kind of, well, space anyway. I was going to say circle too or oval. Where does the Fibonacci sequence? Yeah, I was just going to say the Fiminacci sequel. Oh, the spiral? Yeah.

Yeah. Spirals are cool, too. Are they considered shapes, though? It's within a circle, isn't it? It's not really. It's not really. A spiral, I don't think the Fibonacci sequence represents a shape. Not like mathematically speaking. Yeah, I don't think it's, well, I mean, it's the Shibonacci sequence. But it's like, there's no end to it.

I don't know enough about geometry, man. I'll keep it a book. I'm shocked that nobody said triangle. We don't have any triangle fans in the chat. I don't like how they don't fit into things. What do you mean? They fit into triangles. Wait, wait.

I think it would be a triangle? I need, I need Mad Dog to expand on this thought. They don't fit into. things. Like if you're thinking about, like... I'm Akron football player that loves trying... Oh, I... No, like how...

His name was Trey. That's such an Akron football player. No, like how squares... If you're playing mental, what's that game? The thing you do in your brain. No. Yes, but no, the thing... Tetris, Tetris.

Like, a triangle would never fucking fit in Tetris. With another triangle. But what do you mean? Like, where would it fit? A rhombus could walk. It's technically two triangles. Yeah, good point. The squares.

I don't like it. Like a circle. Just like a pie. Okay, so you don't like triangles. Do you like pyramids? In what sense? Like, in physical ones or just a shape? And the sense that we are as liking shapes in that sense.

I mean, pyramids, like the Basque Pro Shops Pyramids cool. Or like the geese? I like pyramids. That's as triangle. as triangle gets. But I didn't say I, like, loved it. I think it's, it's okay to keep being what it is. But I don't think triangles fit into enough things.

And I think they, they mess up a lot of things. You've got to explain that more. I don't, like, if, I get what you're saying. Yeah. They don't fit into things. They don't fit. Like, would you buy a triangular screen? No.

Because it throws off the feng shui of everything. Like, like, okay, square, rectangles. There's what rectangles all up in this studio. But a rectangle, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you're wrong, cut a rectangle that, that, it's two triangles with different, with different, it's incomplete. Yeah. I think mad dog likes right. What does that mean in? I love right. Yeah.

That's what it's like. Would you ever buy a triangular mirror? No. It's just like, would you ever walk through a triangular door? No. Also, because you're missing. You're missing. Okay.

If you look at a triangle and you look at the, the, the two top. lines I guess of it like I feel like you're missing stuff like you're like just so you're so you're attributing the rectangle to being the shape I think I am fact when in fact one could argue that a rectangle is just two triangles well the um but you could also argue like you could argue a lot of things like that though I feel like this is the whole reason why you don't walk on their ladders what because the whole triangle thing like why it's unlucky to walk on their ladders I also think it's stupid

I feel like that's just bullshit yeah you made that shit up totally they slept in teepees our entire beginning of human existence those are cones yeah those are those could be that's a cone those circle cylindric cone

yeah that's a circle at first there was tipies when you started fires there was TV it was triangles well no it comes to a I'm not here for the triangles lander y'all are trying to fuck no no no I'm on team tribe human history pyramids geiza Aztec come on Pythagoras

but that's not so I got that's not a triangle technically that's a different shape if we're talking squares versus rectangles I can argue triangles versus pyramids or still therefore it's a pyramid is four triangles well it could be three it could be a square it's bottom yeah it's four triangles square at the bottom there has to be like triangles need something triangles always need more to become something useful like they need a circle they need a square more triangles yeah no the rectangles two triangles it's just no double the square at the bottom of the the square at the bottom of the square at the bottom of the period is necessary it's a byproduct of the triangles being in existence

that's a good point what happened if there was only what happened if there's only three triangles and nothing at the bottom you know it would be nothing literally no you can have a triangle you just put it up you put no but there there needs to be something at the bottom oh okay I get that would be a try that would be a trial you're saying that by the way yeah billy speaking of pyramids

like the fact that everyone's like oh like the aliens taught all these different civilizations to build pyramids like nobody think about a pyramid it's literally just a mound it's just like if you stack stuff up that's what it's going to look like and babies do that shit

so like I'm out on babies babies babies make babies could have made the pyramids of Giza I actually love this take

pictures that have stood the test at time over like 5,000 years what are you talking about? And fixtures that like line up to show where the different constellations are going to be

in the sky and you can use them to navigate babies do that shit all the time look if you took a baby right gave in a bunch of blocks the first structure to create is a mini pyramid

I don't think so Coley It's not they just build straight up They don't transfer anything They just attach pieces They're really dumb I mean think about it Your roof is based on a triangular angle

Right So that so that the rain can slide off If you have little blocky rectangular roofs All your motherfuckin'rules You show some respect I think Matt Dogg is like Squares are Batman

And triangles are Robin That's what it's like It's like everything is based around the square Everything exists. I'm born a square and circle system in this country. But the triangle exists to support the square. But yeah. The triangles are more like Lucius Fox who's really doing all the hard work and building all the weapons.

I don't know who that is. No. Morgan Freeman. Morgan Freeman. Because I didn't see that, man. But I think that we live in a square and circle society and triangles exist to help squares and circles. Tell me, tell me what circles are doing for you right now. Like you pointed out all the rectangles in this room, where are the circles?

door knobs wheels wheels that doorknob ain't a circle okay bang okay caps on water bottles what if I just spilled everywhere no because I have a circle stopping it um what else what else I mean I'm I'm I'm a fan of circles I just don't get triangle to suspect I don't know the two pointy also I was really bad at geometry in high school and like proofs and those kids I went to Akron love triangles no Because I go to Akron. There's a whole article at our let's talk science. Because they go to Akron or Why is a triangle a strong shape?

So when engineers build structures, that is the strongest. Hold on. Let me read this before I can stop shit out. Yeah. No, I just think I think I think triangles exist as a sidekick. Philly.

Fuck Mary Kill. Isosceles, scalyne, equilateral triangle. There's one of these triangles that if he kills, I'm going to get so upset. Wait, wait,

say it again, say it again. Fuck Mary Kill, three different triangles. You've got the isosceles, the scalene, and the equilateral triangle. This is so easy. Wait,

say that, say that again. I feel, I feel kind of like Billy right now. All right, so let's kick it to Big T. This is so easy. Big T.

Wait, wait. I know, I want to hear Billy's first because I'm going to get redneck mad if he kills Of course I'm going to marry the equilateral triangle Okay, that a kid That a kid, Billy Yeah, yeah Then I'm going to

I'm going to have coitus with the right triangle I saw this triangle, right? He nailed it, he nailed it Scaling, we'll see you brother Kill the fucking scaling, you know That's the scaling to snake That a kid I think that's not a bad answer

I could also live with you switching up the Scalian and Assasolese like Scalian I feel like just a tiger in the sack Do some weird stuff Don't know what you're getting don't know what you're getting It might be bad that's the thing like I understand It could be good could be bad Assasolese you're going to have some fun

It's a it's like a solid 7 out of 10 Is what that's that's your experience You're going to have like 70% chance you have a great time. To Nick Marquakis again. Everything with Big T comes back to Nick Markakas. That's correct.

I'm glad that Billy and Big T could bond over that. I think that was an important moment. That's growth, Billy. I mean, I'm furious. That was bad podcasting. I wanted to see Redneck Mad Big T. I'm still stuck on this.

Triangles are actually the strongest shape that there is. I can see how they would be the strongest in terms of physical strength. Well, that's what, well, this was saying, like, they're the most important triangle, especially when you're talking about building architecture and stuff like that. You need triangles. But we're podcasters, not architects.

All this shit is built on trial. You would have a building that has triangles all over. But, but, but, Aaron, yes, they need triangles, but could you do it only with triangles? I feel like you need to have. A triangle is, yes, you could. No. I don't, I don't know if you can. A triangle is a JJ Reddick.

A triangle is a. No, this is the point. A strong piece you need it to succeed, but you can't build an entire team. You're listed two players who didn't win anything. You could build, you could build a team out of Kyle Corbors. And you'd be a pretty damn good ball club. That team, 082. Yeah, that would be so bad.

Scoring 140 a game. Are you saying, you can't build nothing without triangles. That's what I'm saying. It is the strongest, it's the most important piece of your building. I just don't, I just don't like that thing. You can't, you're talking about squares. We're talking about two fucking triangles. This is my point.

I don't know. I think you can build a good building out of nothing but rectangles and squares. You can't even get the rectangles without the triangle. Billy tapulous for a geometrist. Where's your triangle guy? Bricks. I rest my case. Bricks exists.

Triangles all in bricks, bro. Triangles are all in bricks. But like you're just saying that because they make up a rectangle. Triangles literally need other types. Yes. Yes. Maddie, listen to what you just said. No, I know.

Listen to what you just said. They make up. But it's not like I have to put. It's not like when you're making a brick. You're like, let me make a triangle's worth of cement to make into a brick. No, no, no, no. You're just making a rectangle's worth of brick. Yeah, I can also fit like circles.

No, you can't fit circles into a brick. No, but you can. Okay, cells, let's consider cells circles or atoms. They're not. They're not. What are they then? Not trying those are, cells are probability. That's, uh, atoms, excuse me, atoms, atoms are probability.

So it's basically like, uh, we don't, it's, it's, it's quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics is very hard to understand. So I don't really understand it. But from what, no, I don't really understand it. So people that understand it will tell you they don't really understand it. But the basis of it is that the little picture of the, uh, electron orbiting the atom is not a, it's not a picture of actually reality, but actually it is. is, let's say there's space that occupies a certain element, right?

And where an atom is is a, it's a probability of where it is. So it'll be like 33% it'll be, it's supposed to be in this area. And so it can be two places at once. This is actually a great conversation because what, well, I wanted to talk to Briar Cox about was the double slit experiment. The double slit experiment is fucking fascinating. So basically, they shot electrons at a wall, right? They shot electrons at a wall, and they put two slits in a, I think it was a sheet of metal or something like that.

And when there was an observer, which basically was like interacting, when light was interacting, sorry for that shit, but when light was interacting and there was an observer, the electrons hit the wall, right? You could, they observed the electrons hitting the wall. But when they didn't, when they didn't observe, it was a, it was basically a wave pattern. So it's proving that light is like a particle and a wave at the same time. And so this is very long winded, but it's fascinating shit. And so it's, it's like interference, basically. It's a wave pattern. So like particles, light particles are, it's a duality.

So it's like they're there, they're at a point in time, but depending on when and where and who's watching, then it becomes a wave and it's a probability. It's fucking fascinating. I probably didn't explain that well, but it makes sense. I remember reading about that experiment and was like on the wall behind those two slits, you could see where the light was hitting and it was not just in those two slits. They were like multiple slits everywhere because the light was coming in at all these different angles from it, right? Yeah. So it's like it's, it's, if you were to put a thousand light particles across, what would happen is it would be a wave function.

So like, any, any wave, right? So like a bell curve, think of it like a bell curve. The majority of the light's going to hear here and it dissipates as it goes on the sides. So that's what it does and that's the functionality of service. So there's a duality. It both is a particle and both isn't a particle. It's fascinating shit. This is, it's mind-blowing stuff.

I watch, if you just like go to YouTube and type in like the slit experiment, I've tried watching. I don't fully grasp it, but there are parts where my brain will tap in and be like, oh, I think I get that. That's crazy. But yeah, we should ask them about that. It's a good interview that we have coming up with Brian Cox. Stay tuned for it. We're going to get to Black holes here in a second. I know Arian has, Aaron has done a lot.

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Oh. I don't know. Because a circle is, that's two-dimensional's, right? Yeah, but I guess black holes, what are the dimensions inside of a black hole? I guess Brian Cox will explain that to us in just a second. But black holes are crazy. Black holes are all the rage. I feel like that's what's hot in astronomy now is like we're not really doing.

Maybe we are doing stuff like where we go and do geology work on planets and things like that. But black holes, that's where like all the big minds are congregating right now because there's still such a mystery. We didn't even know that black holes existed until pretty recently. And then you can, we figured out that you can observe light bending towards a black hole. And in some cases, it's getting sucked up. So it like absorbs, it absorbs light and it sucks all the light in. And it's just got tremendous amounts of gravity.

So, Aaron, talk to me about black holes. What do you know about black holes? I'm nowhere near an expert on black holes. But I just know a little bit about them because I was obsessed with the, and interestingly enough, I think in early 1900s, Einstein predicted black holes with his shit. This was fascinating about the general theory of relativity is the shit that his equations predicted, Einstein I'm talking about,

the shit that his equations predicted, we're still finding out to be true over 100 years later. Like he's continually being proved to be right. which is interesting because if you'll talk to physicists like we talked to Brian Cox and one of the things that he said was that the general theory of relativity which is like our understanding of how things move in the macro in the cosmos it doesn't necessarily correlate with how things move in the micro in a quantum world and so we're like at a standstill science-wise, where it's like, we have descriptions of reality of how it works in the big,

and we have descriptions of reality of how it works in the small, but they don't work with each other somehow. So that's a super conundice. But anyway, so black holes are basically, they form from like collapsed stars. They form from collapse stars, and they're so dense, and they have such a big gravitational pool that light can't even escape them. And that's a fascinating thing to think about because when you turn on the lights, it's just on instantaneously. But it does take time for the light to come and be into your eye. So the light is protruding from whatever source it's coming from and it goes into your eyes. So to think that there's so much gravity that light can escape it is just a mind-blowing concept that I don't think we can ever really grasp.

But that is the nature of reality. Did you ever used to think when you were a kid that when you turned off the light, you could get into bed before the light turned off? Muhammad Ali could. I bet. I bet. That was one of his things. That's one of the things he used to say. I did.

I used to race it when I was a kid. Never won. You ever beat it? Never beat it. No. I had that good electricity in my house, though. I went over to my friend's house. He had slow switches.

And there were some that you could tell it was on a delay. That had more to do with the wiring, I think, than the. actual speed of light if I were to guess. But with a black hole, it's, uh, is the gravity. I wonder in a black hole. It's, it's more than when it was a star. Like when it collapses on itself, it becomes like it, it's able to suck things in more powerfully than even like a giant star. Because right now, like all the planets, we're in orbit around our sun because of gravity because like we're drawn to it by whatever that law of physics is like smaller things are drawn towards bigger objects. And so when a star collapses on itself, it's gravity

increases. Is that what you're saying? I'm unsure if it increases that that would be something for the experts. But what I do know is so when you think about gravity, it's not that they're just attracted. It's not a magnet, right? It's what Einstein was famous for as well. is we live in a medium that we call space time, right? And so if you think of it, like if we, if all four of us, if four of us were holding the ends of a sheet and somebody was to put a bowling ball in the middle of the sheet, what the medium is in space time. That's what science is called.

And we would just call it space colloquially, but it's space time. And so that's what gravity is. The ball is the mass. The ball would act as a planet or a star that is the mass that sinks. that actually curves space time around it right and so gravity is actually what um it's the effect of of mass curving space time and space time making matter move that makes sense and um and so i'm unsure if the if the if the mass increases but what i do know is it makes it more dense in a smaller compression so if they they said and i don't know how accurate this but like they said if you were to take all

the space out of like the Eiffel Tower, not the Eiffel Tower, some building in New York. If you just take all the space out of, out of all the individual atoms, you can condense it into like, I think a teaspoon of where it is. But it would still be as as heavy, right? It would still be as dense. And the most of the entire universe is made up of like what they quote unquote empty space, but it's not really empty, but it would just be like space inside but the actual atoms itself are infinitesimal to be small like we can't even they're super small so i'm i'm unsure about about that question i'm actually curious about it what about wormholes so wormholes are uh theoretical but definitely possible at which Einstein's predict

predictions uh or calculations also said is possible so um wormholes are basically if you if you like i said if you look at if you look at that sheet that we're holding that sheet, that's the medium we live in, that's space, right? So theoretically, if we were to fold the sheet over, right? So if we were to fold the sheet over, I'm getting to my professor bag here. If we were to fold the sheet over, right, theoretically, we can connect two places of space that aren't by each other, right? So if we live in this place, like say Earth is here and there's some other planet that's way over here, theoretically, if we could find a way to manipulate the space around it, we could travel through that, to that medium. That is an

actual possibility through Einstein's equations, which is fucking insane. Seems like it'd be a pretty heavy lift to fold the entire universe in half on itself. Well, that's, I don't think it's not, it's not actually folding. It's, it's, it's finding a way to manipulate the space around it. So like, a big, when you talk about Bob Lazar, right, which part of me is like, yo this is insane what he's talking about but part of me's like yo that's possible when he's talking about the alien craft that he uncovered that had alien technology what he talked about was the reason why it was able to move the way it moved was because it didn't operate in with with any kind of thrust with any kind of vehicle that we know of like a rocket ship or a spacecraft

it bent the space around it and was like uh it um it It's like a bowling ball through a sheet. So if I was to lift, two of us were to lift our sides, that bowling ball would automatically go to the bottom, right? Because gravity would take it down. The technology he was talking about is exactly the same concept, is that it bends the space around it and propels and kind of rolls the craft forward, which is fascinating idea.

We don't know that technology would be true, but he says that it is. But theoretically, that's what they're talking about. They're talking about bending space around it. I was actually reading about Bob Lazar a little bit over the weekend. It's funny. He brought up his name. He's, he went on like Joe Rogan.

He claims that he worked in super secret government facilities and worked on alien spacecraft. Um, the more I, I find out about the guy, the more I think he's just a complete 100% fraud phony because he's got, he's got all these convictions in his past for like, he was like selling prostitution on the Las Vegas strip. He, like, his education doesn't add up. no school says that he ever attended and he's just kind of like he's had a history of

just kind of being fraud adjacent with a lot of the stuff that he talks about that doesn't mean that like the principle that you're talking about of how to like bend space and make an object move around it it's not to say that that's not true theoretically but the more I read

about the guy because when I first heard him talk I was like this is fascinating the guy sounds like he's legit he sounds like he knows what he's talking about but he's also probably just like a complete a complete fraud i think he's also been married like five times which is that's just character judgments yeah that's true that's but that's tough to do like getting married and divorced five times is what's harder that or eating five pussies in 24 hours oh good point good point i understand

the clam king bob lezard i understand getting married twice and maybe three like maybe three times, bro. Maybe. You found the love of your life the third time. First time I definitely understand it. He was young, made a mistake. We moved on. Third time, maybe, you know, I don't know. I'm not, you know, I'm middle-aged, man, and maybe in my next, I'll understand it a little better. But five times is, what are you trying to prove, though? At what point do you just tap out the game? Well, I'm good. Didn't Larry King get married like six or seven times? Oh, yeah. Competitive. So competitive. Yeah well Larry King's just a piece of ass like it's it's hard being loyal to one woman when you're

when you hung like a stallion built like a brick shit house good old Larry King that guy definitely goes goes to Clamptown Road called Larry you call Larry King a piece of ass bro he is he is just facts only there was a there was an old clip of Larry King and George Carlin going viral over the weekend and I forgot how close Larry King used to sit to his guests like it was him the microphone and the guest were like touching noses while they were speaking just that was absurd genuinely absurd way to talk to a person larry king is a great name too for a host tremendous name i'm glad that larry king actually is dead because i thought we were about to just kill somebody because i was about to ask larry king is larry king still alive

throw all these dead I clip that part where Billy said I'm glad Larry King is dead I just wrote it already you know like Larry King great guy but like I thought we were about to be like is Larry King still alive and then find out he was still alive

he got to see the Dodgers win right yeah he only died a year ago he had amazing career I think this I think this dude is so whack but as I following his career is like watching a train wreck I can't stop it It's just a funny shit in the world,

but there's a dude by the name of Dave Rubin, who might be the funniest thing ever walking. But ironically, yeah, I bet you would think he does, but he's fucking hilarious. Asinine takes, never write about anything. But he's like, one of his favorite people of all the time is Larry King. And Larry King comes on his show. Larry King gets a call from his son in the middle of the show.

They're live now. He gets a call from his son in the middle of the show. And I'm talking about maybe 10, 15 minutes. He's just talking to his son. He's like, well, what about the game? Okay, you want to go to the game? And like, Dave's just sitting there taking this shit, not saying anything. He's like, Larry, we're live.

Larry, we're live. This is one of the funny thing. I loki felt bad for Dave Rubin. Is Dave Rubin the guy who was like, well, I'm just going to make my own Chick-fil-A sandwiches now? Yeah, he's just super like, he was the guy that pretends, he pretended to be liberal for years. But like if you listen to him talk for 20 seconds, you can see he's very conservative. But he would just say I'm liberal. But see, that's just what that's what like

liberals say about liberals they don't like who like they think are progressive enough. Dayruva is not a liberal. I don't know how he would identify now, but like. Okay. He says he's a conservative now. But that's what we were saying the whole time. Like you're not even close to it. I'm not even a liberal. Like you're not even close to it. Like what would you say about Bill Maher? I'll say he's a liberal. Okay. Yeah, I'd say he's like, yeah, he's, he's a, because there are liberals now who would say, like, he's not a liberal. No, he's a centrist liberal, I think. When you say liberal, like, this is why, I mean, it's kind of, I don't say it's meaningless, but like, you get into the political spectrum, right? So when we say liberal, when I say we, I say like leftists, progressives,

like as far left as you can go. Like, when we say liberal, we think establishment Democrats, people that want to keep the company line. We think, we think of, we think a, we think of, we think a, we think the liberals, exactly how we think of Republicans, y'all just don't like racism as loud. And that kind of defines Bill Moore. I'm unsure about his racism. I know I know he even dropped a hundred in bombs. But I know, as a matter of fact, he just came out with a piece about transgender folk talking about some, it's, it's a, it's, if it's, if it's, if it's, I forget his point, but basically he was saying left, left leading people are promoting it so much that they're forcing kids into being transgender.

Like that was his point, which wasn't based on any real data from what I saw, but that's what a liberal is. It's somebody who's not really socially progressive who just wants to keep the company line. And they're very pro-capitalism. That's liberal.

Okay. Like he was radical when he was like, we should make weed legal. That was his big radical world. But like that's about as far left as he goes. Do you think that there's a lot of people who use weed as a way to say like, oh, like, I'm the leftist because I like to smoke weed? So we say, that's a trope we use. So we use when we say we talk about libertarians, we say libertarians are just Republicans that like to smoke wheat.

That's that's basically it. Like Obama, for example, he gets a lot of shit from the right about being like a radical leftist. Obama, by any real examination, was centrist as fuck. He was, he was not, like, in favor of legalizing gay marriage, even when he ran for president. Like, that was something he felt should be held to, like, civil unions that should not be forced to be recognized as marriages. Like, he just... And that was in 2008. No, that shit was not that long ago.

Yeah, it was pretty recently. So, like, I don't think that, I mean, you can critique Obama for a lot of stuff, but I don't think you can be like he would. is super liberal. Like I think I sent this to the group chat earlier this week. Like the the crowning progressive achievement that Obama had while he was in office was forcing people to buy health insurance from private insurance companies, which is for profit. For profit. Like that's that's straight up.

That's, that's a conservative thing. And that's what people are like like conservatives will always say like, oh, the party's moving left. A lot of people are moving left. The people in general move conservatives have moved left. Like, if you think about what conservative meant in 1950 or 1960 or 1970, like, the people will always progress because it progresses towards, like, human rights and recognizing human beings as humans, that the people will always move more left. Like, it's just what it is. It's rare that a conservative value will stay. It's just rare.

It won't happen too much. It's because it's just, it's cultural things that are the norms in the ecosystem that you were brought up in. So for example, like traditional marriage is always brought up as a conservative thing. I don't think that you'll find many people at all that are opposed to traditional marriage. Like even people on the left, it's like you want, oh, you're a man that wants to marry a woman. Good. That's awesome. I hope you guys are happy together.

I don't think that anybody on the left, maybe there are, maybe there are some people that you can find that are like, it's actually bad for men and women to get married. Only anti-marriage stuff I see is like health insurance. shouldn't be tied to similar jobs. It's like we should have things that aren't completely attached to being dependent on another human being, which feels fair. Yeah, like you can get water for basically free because it's provided by public utility. It's not totally free, but it's, it's pretty much free. You need healthcare to survive almost as much as you need water. I mean, it's different because you don't get water in your tap. You don't have anything to drink. You can die very quickly, but also like in this country, if you get sick, you could either, A, die,

you're more likely to die if you don't have a good enough job that provides you with good enough health care, or probably more likely you just are not able to pay for anything because you can go bankrupt if you don't have a good health plan. And people are like, well, you should get a job that has a good health plan. That's true. Like, that's a good way to avoid it. If you can get a job, If you're just like without a job and you decide not to work and not have health care and you're able to work, it's like, yeah, there are certain personal responsibility things you could take pragmatically to get better health care. But then there are also people that just can't get good enough jobs that have good health care. And then they're dying at disproportionate rates. So I feel like what what percentage of the population fits into the like, I'm all set.

I just kind of want to sit like 1% even, if even. maybe a little bit higher than that maybe maybe some people are like i don't feel like working like that's a i could put myself in that position sure i mean i don't i think most people would prefer not to work but how many people are like actively like you know what i'm just going to see what happens like i think it's like maybe one percent of the population probably yeah like i'm just i'm just going to roll the dice what how much money at our age do you think would be enough to just straight up not work anymore When you say R-AIDS, you mean they're not taking into account taxes and everything.

I'll just say, let's call it 32 years old. That's kind of splitting the difference of a lot of people in this room right now. 32 years old, how much money? So you need 45 more years of money? Yeah. Yeah. So do I have a house paid for already or no? No.

You have to get your house. You got to get my house. I do it. How's the credit? Like 3.5 million? 3.5, I'd say maybe more. Is that low? I was thinking no less than 20 million.

20? What? I don't know, guys. I'm 23. Basically, how you really got to do it is. So what's a conservative investment account for a year? Like 4%. Yeah, let's call it like, yeah, 3%.

Anywhere from 5 to 8 is with the market, usually yields. Really? Does your, I mean, so you think conservative 5? So 5%, like I could probably, I'd need 200k a year probably at 32, like having a family and everything. So I probably, you know, 5%, so 520 times 200K. Can't invest all of it though. You need to spend. Right.

So I'd spend only what I'd make from the investment camp. How you get through year one? Wait. Life insurance. Working just for. one year we're not working um well yeah so so so then maybe just set aside 200,000 plus the whole thing so then that equals i think that's about how many zeros that that's about 4 million if you were to invest it and get 5% each year but then it wouldn't so let's say 5 million

that's that's kind of the number i had in my brain too five million sounds like it's It's enough where you can. That's like a comfortable lifestyle. Yeah. Maybe like a hundred. That's like a whole 100 grand a year or something like that. Yeah. Well, if you had 45 years, 100 grand a year would be 4.5.

Oh, wait. I didn't do that. Yeah. There you all. Yeah. So you live comfortably. You can still go on vacations and stuff. Go out for nice meals.

When does your AARP kick in? 65, I think. And what did they get you? Oh, it got lowered. So you get social security, which is like nothing. Okay. So we're not counting I was going to say

So we're not really counting that As a form of like income income Yeah I would not I would probably say no But yeah Okay five million So that's doable right Everyone thinks that you can get

$5 million by the time of 32 What? Billy you can't Rob some banks I would just get nervous If I run out Billy you need to do your only fans You need to do your crypto shit

Dude, I was talking to Joey and Pat about doing a male only fans and they're like you could like there's people, there's only fans dudes who are like not gay but they create gay only fans content and they like rake in like millions of dollars. It's the straightest thing you can do. I know.

So. I was just like seeing all this only fans money and some shout out Jack Mack who does those Twitter spaces. And he, like, interviews only fans models and, like, in Glennie, too, and just finds out how much they make. It's, like, insane. So you're thinking about it. Well, I mean, if I'm really down bad.

I mean, you had zero dollars. You did show us, yeah. A month ago. Yeah, but like, how much more down bad can you get than that? Like, no stream of income, like no foreseeable income coming through. That was just a buy. Yeah, you were just jammed up real quick. Yeah.

it was in a jam but like that was actually very interesting time like how i lived what a couple weeks ago yeah like i literally had yeah like i literally had to like i'm not there's actually no i mean really just went through his venmo balance no no that's not what i did i went through my venmo balance because i had a little amount for like food um but like i did stuff like I couldn't get a new subway pass so I had to like ask for swipes on the subway so Billy if I fired you right now as an experiment

how quickly until you sign up for only fans um till his pension room or his pension I probably look I probably try to find other work first but until then I mean like that's like something way down the line

like it would probably be five years of no success doing anything five years you would wait well yeah i'd probably go like try to if like stuff didn't work out i'd probably go into the trades like do like carpentry plumbing hvac would be like something i'd do before only fans and then five years down the line only fans and then i'm like i would absolutely do only fans I actually proposed it to my girlfriend, but she won't with it. Wait, as a couple or just you? Oh, as a couple. That's kind of my kink.

Filming it? That's a little kink. I like that. So, wait, you probably have tons of content stored up to release. I got ready to go. Dude, actually, you could actually make a shit ton of money. I agree. But she was like, no, I'm a teacher.

I'm like, that makes sense. I'm making sense. As excuses go. Right, it's one of the best you can have. No, I feel like, Billy, if you wait five years, your public, um, like your public figureness would wear off by then and, no, like you're, yeah, be sad. It would actually be sad.

Damn. Oh, Maddie's just said you were flashing a pan. No, I'm not saying that, but I'm, I'm absolutely, I'm absolutely aware that I will not, like, I think, you should strike while the iron is hot. I think what Mad Dog is saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, but. if you disappeared from the public eye for five years. Which would be exactly what would happen if Billy. Well, he said that he would go into the trades.

So if you spend like five years as a carpenter and then all of a sudden you're like, I feel like it's time to do only fans, people will be like, oh, Billy, that Billy football? Yeah. Yeah, I remember that guy. If Billy went off the grid for five years, comes back as a 28 year old who has like a beard and calloused hands from working in HVAC and then all of a sudden drops an only fans link. Like, people would be concerned. The problem with this hypothetical is we're acting like his subscribers are currently his followers,

which does not seem to be the market he's going for. No, I'm going for the market. I'm going on. Like, there's a whole strategy people do. I've read about it just because it's interesting. But I'd probably create like carpentry content. Like, you know, there's such good, like, TikToks from like job sites. I don't know.

It's maybe just my TikTok algorithm. I'm really good. There's a lot of content you made. What? Like Carpentry OnlyFans? Watch me just Watch me screw This is like gay only ones

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Is it cop? Is it cop only fans with Billy? It's a cop Pink T, what about you? How quickly would you go to OnlyFans? I don't know, ma'am dude like you say that I feel like I could I could get another job yeah but like it's not like it's not about getting another job it's about like literally you could make 10 million dollars a

month brother no like some of the hottest women in the world make 10 million dollars a month and you it's not like everyone on only fans is making obscene amounts of money there are a lot of people putting their dick on the internet for absolutely nothing no but like free but like like um you could get if you marketed it the right way you could gain a following how jammed up would billy get with the taxes from only my guy no they they give you they give you a w a w nine yeah it's just they i feel like you would screw up you would screw up that paperwork no no i'm i was a i was in i cee income ice i know what the fuck was it called In college, I had to do it for like a credit.

I was a income. It sounds like you really absorbed everything. Oh, I was a Vita. I was a volunteer income tax system. It took longer spelling it than it did say that. I just don't understand. No, I was a Vita. I was a volunteer income taxes isn't.

And I know all the people. That made, that made sense. The reason why I got jammed up was because I made the correct decision to put away a lot of money just where I couldn't get any of it. and hope that my savings I accumulated until that time would pay for the taxes. But I ended up getting money back. It's just I had a situation where I had to give West Virginia

a huge chunk of change before New York could give me money back. So it was all good. All right. Billy, I hope you never have to get into OnlyFans, mostly for the tax reasons. Although Billy doing OnlyFans content from personal. would also be very funny. Why would I be in prison?

Oh, taxes. Yeah. Are the people on only fans that are in prison? I don't know. They're on TikTok. You'd have to think. Can't you not make money while you're in prison? I'm sure there are ways around it.

Or that's the presidency. If you sneak. Yeah. Mulement clause or whatever. You could also just, somebody should just build a fake jail cell in their house. That's like lit up like a studio. It's definitely a thing.

Yeah, but that would get so. fucked up so quick they'd be pulling people in to make content with who definitely didn't want to make content let's let's be real here what what in prison oh if you're actually in prison oh this was a fake prison yeah we're talking fake prison like right now where you're at it looks like you're in prison i fucking am in prison i wish we could talk about what you're doing out there and dude it's literally ridiculous um black holes yeah yeah yeah I was going to bring it back to this. How terrified are the rest of you about black holes on like a day-to-day basis?

Because I'm at like an eight out of ten constantly. I'm scared of them whenever I think about them. I do a pretty good job avoiding intrusive thoughts of black holes in my day-to-day. But once I get going down that road, they become terrifying. Like imagining what would happen to everything if you got drawn into one. I'm at a strong zero. Because you know it will never happen. Fascinated by them.

I'm going to be in Sugarland, Texas for a while, bro. So I mean, unless one pops up, I'm chilling. But they can. That's part of the problem with Black holes. Yeah, but it's very unlikely. It's very unlikely. You say that until one's over your shoulder. And then I'm getting stretched like a spaghetti noodle.

And I'll holler at you. hope Jesus is real how you may not know this and how close could one be where we could observe it but it wouldn't like instantly like what's the closest one could be without like fucking us up I don't know that outside of my head but I do have my good friend Google right here there's one at the center of the Milky Way that's when we just took a picture I think there's a closer one it's too close for my liking this is why I'm thinking about them so why is it at this center. Is it like actually the center of the whole Milky Way? So in 2020, astronomers reported the closest, uh, black hole to earth located just a thousand light

years away in the HR 6819 system. And that's another thing. Astronomers that by like, there's no creativity. And granted, there's like billions and billions of stars, but I just feel like there's, there's just, this is more creative ways to name shit. Like HR 619. That's just boring. Why don't we name it ourselves? Let's give it a name. Nobody's going to recognize it as that. No, we'll just like known colloquially is, uh, the closest black hole we'll call Goatsy.

How about that? Goatsey's the closest. Yeah. Billy, do you know, are you familiar to Goatsey, Billy? No. You might just Google it real quick. G-O-A-T-S-E. It's an astronomy term.

What is that? this click on the image result oh oh what the fuck Jesus Christ no mad dog don't look it up okay that was meant for Billy's eyes not yours who's paying to keep that website up a hero it's some benefactor that's old school internet shit right there it is I'm shocked Billy hadn't come across that so one of my favorite theories about black holes though is that when the large Hadron Collider debuted it just created a black hole and everything since then has been just like made up in our own brains we're already in 2012 20 no that was 2016 2016 everything since then has been completely fictional and we're all living

either in a simulation or we're all dead and this is the afterlife right now honestly 2016 from that point on for me at least it does feel very very like that theory flies for me like i feel 100% million percent i feel like it's more likely that the earth has been destroyed and this is all just a complete fantasy hologram than it is like this has actually happened since then your thoughts if this is the afterlife man you didn't pray hard enough big tea yeah no kidding The Braves won a World Series. They did.

That does seem like something that wouldn't happen in the real world. That would make so much sense to me, Doug. Like, if I was like, if I was, this is God, right? If I was to write a book and never updated until, you know, 2000 years after it was written, I would put some shit in it that could explain the shit that we're going to figure it.

route right like in the year blah blah blah blah blah this is gonna and this is what it is somehow some way but this is so much of vague ass like you know what I mean that's why it's just so uninteresting like I'm sorry I was a little tangent I'm sorry counterpoint though wouldn't then the world would be uninteresting like everybody would I guess it would be good for like if you are an atheist, like if the Bible said, you know, in in 1914, there's going to be some shit that pops off. And you're like, you know what? I'm still not, this guy still hasn't convinced me. I guess then you really would deserve like whatever happened. Uh, but like, that it just requires like no, like then everybody would. Right. Cause I mean, because then it would

be like we could construct the future in a way that's self, you know, self-fulfilling prophecy. Good point. Here, how about this? Everybody at the exact same time, here's the exact same voice, say the exact same thing. It's well within his capabilities, right? There's a book underneath this rock and it is gridpoint, whatever. Get this shit. You dig up. We read the book.

Everybody on the whole world heard and understand this voice. There's a book there that's written that has a whole bunch of answers to our questions about the Cosmo's. That is like undeniable to me. I would be wearing the cross that y'all be wearing. I approach Jesus if that happens. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, though. Like you wouldn't really have a choice. That's a lack of faith.

I agree. I don't have a choice to believe that the sun is there. I've got a choice. It's there. Whether I want it to be or not. Right, but kind of the whole basis of the thing is that you do have a choice. Which is dumb. That's what I'm saying.

Like, this is the best. Like, that's just a. bad it's a bad way of doing things like you you created the entire like bro you created the craziest shit in the world bro gravity planet stars quantum mechanics and the best shit you could think of is this just the best shit you could think I'm calling I'm calling his bluff I do I'm chirping like very technically the most successful business on the planet it's profitable for sure it's not believable though it's very prominent I never said it wasn't profitable. It's definitely profitable. It's just not believable. I'm trying to believe this shit.

I think that's the misconception about atheists is people like, yo, I can't just pick a shit because I don't want there to be a guy. I would love, I love living. I love being alive. This is the best shit I've ever experienced. I don't have any reference point. So to not be alive, it's a scary thought, right? It's a scary thought. And I don't want to experience that. But odds are, I will. But I would love to continue flying in clouds on winged unicorns and we all just taking kumbah for the rest of however long time it that would be fun as shit but it don't make a lot of sense i'm curious to know if if anybody out there has experienced life since 2016 and it's gotten like more boring that that's actually there is so i used to go on the conspiracy theory reddit i've just been staying off there

because i was getting it was getting too wild and there actually is a phenomenon where people think like everything's been different from a certain point and then a bunch of people started agreeing. I'll look up what it's actually called, but that phenomenon is like has been debunked. Like if you're like, you cannot demunk that. No, it's debunked as in like, you could say that about everything and people started agreeing. Like you could say like, like remember when the, before the birds aren't real thing came about, um, during the winter, people were like, Has anyone seen any birds lately? And everyone's like, I haven't seen any birds lately.

And it's more that you, it's like comfort, like you weren't paying attention to birds. No, that's what I'm asking for, though. I'm looking for people whose lives have gotten actively more like regular since 2016. What do you mean about regular? Um, I guess like more, more boring. Has your life gotten more boring since, Maybe you, Eric, because at the time, like, living the life of a of a superstar athlete,

that's got to be like a crazy mind fuck going on, like something that you maybe never thought that you'd be able to do. And you're saying since that, has my life gotten more boring? Yeah. Has it? It's gotten. Or has it gotten more conventional? Muted.

Oh, yeah, you're muted. Oh, I don't think it's gotten more boring. I think you have to yell at me BTG I didn't I didn't mean to yell I was just you're muted I don't think it's got more boring I think it's gotten more fun for me okay

yeah because I think it's just like anything right okay like if if y'all could do whatever you wanted to do would you be doing this right now honestly yes

you'd be doing this right now. Yeah, I'd be doing something very similar to this. Okay. I honestly believe that. I mean, I am, I mean, I am, but I think for a different reason, right? I'm doing it because if you, if you just, I think everybody thinks like if they get, if they get this like freedom, financial freedom and like literally I don't have anybody to answer to. It's just like, wake up and do what I want to do, then they're just going to just like do nothing all day. And that is the, it's the scariest thing in the world having real freedom.

Like, it's not something that I think that everybody can handle honestly. And so I do things to keep my mind interested or else it's a dangerous, it's a dangerous place your mind can go. Yeah. I think I would, I have fun doing this. And this is like, it's sometimes a lot of work with the schedule that we have to keep around here sometimes. But so I'd probably, if I had enough money for the rest of my life, I'd probably do. what I'm doing, but at a lesser clip. So I'd do less frequent work, essentially, but I'd still be doing like the same thing. I'll put it. I mean, I'm shit. I'm doing it. So I agree. Yeah. I don't

know. I'm just buying more and more into this whole we already are in a black hole theory. Yeah, I feel that. Well, if that's the case, the black holes aren't this big, bad, tough guy. They make them out to be. That's true. If that's the case, then black holes, everyone should be so lucky to get sucked into a black hole right now if it's not the case which most likely isn't still terrifying still terrifying i mean they shred everything up well what if everyone whose lives have gotten like worse since 2016 are like in a personal hell in everyone's who's gotten better it's like they've made it to the afterlife like the good the good one whatever it is whoa whoa whoa no because i wasn't that i wasn't that good before 2016 but maybe because you're like

you're are you postulating are you postulating that in 2016 our universe or our solar system or something inside of a black hole or when they did that the at the cern center which our guy worked at they did the collision thing and created the god particle that ripped a tear in the universe and caused the black hole and created it. They found it.

But why would we not feel the effects of going into a black hole? Because we're in the, as we'll talk to Professor Brian Cox about we're in the event horizon. We're just like in that moment where we can't. well it's because if a black hole opened up on earth it would suck us in so instantaneously that nobody would feel it it would we would we would we would we would die we would fill it if there

was an out i think that's what he was saying he was saying an outside observer couldn't would would would see us as time stopping yeah but i feel like the the force in which we would get sucked in would be so fast that we wouldn't know what was happening happening at all. It would tear us apart limb from limb. That's what you talked about. You talked about the spaghetti. Like you would be a spaghetti noodle. Yeah, but I don't think that you'd feel that. I think that it would just happen. You wouldn't feel your limbs? No, like you'd be dead by that. It happens so quickly. The force would be so big. It's like if I set off an atomic bomb in Sugar Land, Texas, you probably wouldn't feel it. You would just get vaporized, right?

I don't, I don't pretend to know what I would feel like. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I guess it's a good question. I'm on team not black hole, though. I think I would prefer not to be sucked into a black hole, but if it's already happened, then, you know, far be it for me. We might be in one. I think it's possible we might be in one, just like we might be in like another universe, right? Like our universe might be inside of a black horse and stuff like that. Some crazy things we haven't thought of.

But I don't think we have been alive to have been sucked into an event. know um billy just sent an interesting screenshot to the text is what billy does during our episodes macrodosing uh this is from reddit the question is was mike tyson erect during most of his fights i've been watching a lot of mike tyson videos lately and while i've seen his training videos where he's always visibly erect i'm not really noticing it in the actual fights is that because of the baggy fabric or did he just not have an erection during actually factual bouts. Also, why is he erect? Anyways, is that true? Dude, I have no idea. Like, I was just, that was just something I came across while looking

for the phenomenon I was talking about where everyone thinks the world's changed. And I was just, I saw my boxing Reddit and someone posted that. They must be trolling. But then in the response, they found footage from Mike Tyson from, uh, J.R.E saying that he gets aroused by fighting. So I don't know if it's a troll or, but he was, you got to wear a cup when he fights. So that this makes no sense. If someone was to be erect while fighting, my first guess would be Mike Tyson. All right.

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tickets lowest price guaranteed now here is professor brian cox okay we now welcome on a very special guest you may have heard him on part of my take last week is professor brian cox he is on tour right now uh he's got a new show it's horizons a 21st century space odyssey it's running through the end of june billy and i went to see it when it was in new york at the beacon theater it's a can't miss we really enjoyed ourselves learned a lot uh very happy to have you on It's going to be, let's see, you're in Denver right now, then Salt Lake City, then you're taking a little bit of a break. Coming back, June 3rd, you're going to be up in Edmonton and Canada, and making your way down the West Coast on June 7th in Seattle, Portland, Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose, L.A., then over to Texas. You got Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, Houston gigs all lined up.

So go get tickets for this. It's a great show. It is worth your time. It's worth your money. just a great time so thank you for joining us we appreciate you coming on pleasure i'm glad you enjoyed it in new york it was uh it was great and i enjoyed chatting actually it was it was about a month ago now wasn't it actually yeah seems like so brian is is one of the smartest people that we've ever spoken to we did actually interview a guy that injected frog dna into his own body so

i'd say you're second you're the second most intelligent person that we've had on this podcast I don't even want to go there. I don't understand the sentence you spoke. Yeah, I don't really either, but he seems to believe it. It's called biohacking. So he, I guess, is working with some of the people that have created a process in which that you can alter your own DNA. And I don't know how it's working out for him.

He's still alive, I think. I was going to say, if you watch any science fiction films, that sounds like a bad idea. yeah it's definitely a super villain origin story uh but yeah you're you're a smart guy you're fun guy and so we're happy to have you on i'm gonna i'm gonna actually kick it over to billy because billy you're pretty much like a god for billy you're a rock star well you are a rock star you're a successful touring musician um but billy uh has like a million questions so i really want to get into his brain on this one uh what's up we met last time uh we were the part of my take studio doing part of my take and i asked you at the end

a little bit about the video at the collider so for those who don't know this is a conspiracy podcast so we delve into some of these but you worked uh i'm forgetting the exact name of we talked about it the la chandrum yeah uh in switzerland and for many of those who listen they may be familiar with the conspiracy regarding the video that was released from there And just to get this out of the way, basically some of your colleagues who worked there filmed sort of a, like an Alex Jones Bohemian Grove fake video to sort of as it was described, take the piss, which I just thought was hilarious. And for those who basically in front of a, in front of a statue of the Shiva, is it Shiva, I think? Yeah. They did this whole ceremony with guys and robes. It was pretty hilarious knowing now that it was a joke. But this drove like a lot of the conspiracy theorist nuts. Like the Reddit forum was going nuts when this came out. So it's just kind of funny to hear like it was a Monty Python type sketch that occurred. But moving on from that, I just wanted to give some background to that. My first question, when it regards to the blog, black holes. So we went, we went, uh, saw your show, the first part of your show a couple

weeks ago. And I was honestly, my brain was just like absolutely exploded. Like I was, you know, hearing all this stuff. I, look, I probably didn't grasp like everything, but I had a couple follow up questions from that, uh, show. So if you're familiar with calculus, and this is my main question, you were talking about how when you go through a black hole, space and time, flip like an inverse function so the values of space switch with the values of time much like an inverse function with x you know an inverse function the x values switch with the y values so you have certain uh shapes and stuff so i was thinking about that and i was trying to think about i could kind of understand how the math looked like but how would you conceptualize that like more

than just the equations. I know this is kind of like very, very abstract when I'm asking, but how would exactly it sort of look technically if the values of space and time were flipped? So the thing about relativity, we're talking about Einstein's theories of relativity, 1905 and 1915. So these things have been around for 100 years or more. And in them, the key thing is that So from your perspective, so we're all sat here now and we might have a watch on and we feel time passing at one second per second and everything's entirely normal. The key idea in relativity is that time passes at different rates from different points of view. Let's call it points of view. So in a black hole scenario, you can be way away from the black hole, you know, millions of miles away from the thing.

And you sit there and you see time passing at a particular rate. And then if you look inwards towards the black hole, if you looked at just literally you'd thrown clocks in there towards the black hole, then from your point of view, time would be passing at different rates as you went in towards the black hole. And as you said, that the real strange thing, which confused people for decades, by the way,

confused Einstein when it was first discovered, is that you go to what's called the event horizon and from the point of view of someone outside, time stops there. And the event horizon, what is it? If you took the sun and squashed it down into it to make a black hole, the event horizon would be just two miles away from the centre. So you think about that. So squashing the sun into a ball of a two miles radius,

it actually completely disappeared then into a black hole. And so that's the point is, that time passes at different rates from different points of view. The way that I explained it in the show, actually, which is a really simple way of thinking about it, is that you can imagine a map of space and time. So imagine that your life, imagine that you say, at every point, I'm going to label everything that happens to me with a time according to my wristwatch and a place in space. so you can just sort of plot all the events that happen to you in your life on a map

and you could draw a line through all those events on the map and that's that's called your world line and then what your watch is actually measuring and this is the weird bit the only weird bit really what your watch is measuring is the distance you travel over the map so as I said in the show it's like so if you think about that. If we're all chatting now and then we decide to get together in a year's time, and we all come to the same place and we sit there and we had perfect watches and we'd synchronize

them all and then we left for a year. Well, we'd have experienced different things. We'd have gone to different places. So our line across the map would be a different length. And our watch measures the length of that line. So when we all came back together again, our times would be different we'd have aged at different rates and that's a central idea in relativity and so what you're saying just to finish the thing about the black hole is that that gets quite an extreme shift when you go across the horizon into the interior of a black hole and we can talk about whether you can do that later and what that means but but it's just that things get very very strange and twisted relative to the outside view when you go across the horizon I have a follow-up to that maybe because

the way in which physicists see the world has always intrigued me, right? Because it's like you can see reality in a different way. You look at reality in a different way than we do because we just experience time. It's based normally on this earth. And so this idea has always intrigued me because I fell into like a relativity rabbit hole where I just started looking and reading everything I could on it. And it made me fall in love of science, actually. And so one of the ideas that's always like plagued me was that one, was okay,

If our nows are no longer in sync, right? Then tech, and this is a question. This is always what I've postulated, but I don't know. If our nows are no longer in sync. And I think Brian Greene expanded like this one time was like if, if me and you share the same nows, but we're on totally opposite ends of the universe, depending on how we move, our nows can be 100, 250 years in different ways. I could be in your future 150 years and he could be in my. If that is the case, unless I'm understanding it wrong, everything that has happened is happening

and everything that's going to happen is also happening. Is that not an accurate way to think about it? It is. It's called Einstein. I don't think Einstein coined the name, but it's called the Block Universe, which is the literal. If you just take Einstein's theory and nothing else, then you're absolutely right. because you can't say these two things happened at the same time, right, exactly as you said, the idea of now does not exist in the universe. And so you're right, it follows then that

from one perspective, something can happen and it can be in your future. And from another perspective, something can happen, it can be in your past, right? With a caveat that I'll say in a minute. So that's exactly as you say. So it implies, if you just take that, the basic theory there's no free will in that universe right everything that there's no there's no idea of this is going to happen and this has happened because you're right you can you can mix them around the one the one caveat is that there's some restriction on that so you can't swap the order of things that could have caused if you've got something that could cause something to happen so i throw a brick at a window and the window smashes right that's that's what's called

all a causal link between the two. And you can't swap the ordering of those. So everyone agrees that the smashing of the window is in the future of the throwing of the brick. Right. So that and that's actually built into this universe. It's actually enforced that by the speed of light. So everybody.

Yeah. And that leads me to my next question in which physicists see the world in a different way. Right. So, like, you can argue philosophically all day long. But from your perspective, like, where do you stand on free will in a universe where everything has happened, is happening as well as the future? Like, what is your perspective on free will? Yeah, well, as I said, if you take Einstein's theory and nothing else, then that's exactly as you said. Everything is just laid out. It's a big map, a map of space time. And it's like saying, you know, you don't say on a map of the world, which is just a map of space. If I go from London to New York, then London is no longer there or something.

And Einstein essentially, relatively just adding time into that as well. So we're a big map of spacetime, you're right. However, it's really important to say that that's not all there is. So certainly what black holes are teaching us, and we've long suspected this or long expected this, is that there's more to it. There's what's called a quantum theory of gravity somewhere, which is that so Einstein's theory is not complete, it doesn't tell you what space and time are, for example. And so we're almost certain that there's a deeper theory.

I mean, I don't even need to put a caveat there. We're certain is a deeper theory. And we're actually starting to glimpse it in the study of black holes. So that's what we talked about in the live show, the fact that it's now becoming very fashionable to say that space and time themselves emerge from something deeper, some deeper description. So I think I know people who work on.

on theories where the future is built up. So it doesn't actually all exist, but it kind of emerges and builds. And so I think the correct thing says people don't really know now. I mean, you know, the point is, though, free will, I mean, we do think that the world, however the world emerges, however it works, it's what's called deterministic,

which does mean that, if you know everything about some system, then you can predict what it's going to do in the future and predict what it was going to do in the past. So that's sort of a base level assumption, which is based on, you know, experience, really, a physics that we... So I suppose you could say free will doesn't exist in that picture.

Yeah. Because everything... But I think it's really important to say that we don't have the theory of quantum gravity at the moment, which is the deeper theory. We have glimpses of it. Right. So, like, you're saying our, and this is my last question because I don't want to dominate the interview.

I'm just like a super nerd. Like, you're saying, like, we don't have the complete picture, which is basically saying. Yeah. It's so important in science. It's often misunderstood, I think. People, this is where you get. You talked about conspiracy theories earlier and things like that. Where, you know, I think people assume that, first of all, we are scientists are really attached to the theories that.

have. And then from that, you get these conspiracies that if there's something else going on, but we kind of try to ignore it because we want to cling on to our, you know, Einstein or Newton or whatever the hell it is that we want to cling on to. And that's complete nonsense, of course, that the basis of science and the absolute basis of physics is that we just want to understand how the world works. And we don't have a complete picture of that in the moment. We know that. That doesn't mean you can make a load of shit up. There were some quite important constraints. It's really difficult to build new theories, right?

So we spend one of the, you might have seen that last week, so this is what, the 16th of May we're talking now. You might have seen this a few days ago, there was a new picture released from the Event Horizon Telescope of the black hole at the center of the Milky Way. So it's the second picture that we have. Now, the other one was from a galaxy, about 55 million light years away.

It's quite a little black hole, actually, that one. It's only about four million times the mass of our sun. It's quite a small one in galactic terms. But one of the reasons people want to do that is we really would love to see a deviation from the predictions of Einstein. People spend their whole careers trying to find little deviations from what we expect because that's the route to the deeper theory that we know is there. quantum gravity we just don't know what it is and so so that the the key it's a key thing that saying saying you don't know first of all you really mean it we yeah and we don't mean i don't know

we mean nobody knows right we don't have a complete picture and we're trying to find a better picture and that's it basically i appreciate it like i said the last question i'm going to dominate this but i've always been curious as to why because i think the the work that y'all do right and on a day-to-day grind people on social media are just doing their jobs they don't understand how important the discoveries of physicists or any kind of scientists have been the reason how we're talking on this Zoom call is because of science like and so the one of the more important points is the the communication to y'all's discovery and however that conduit is to the public so like we can grasp it on a very basic level but one of the things that has always been

misrepresented, which I don't understand why y'all do, is what theory means to y'all is the exact opposite of what it means colloquial to us. Like, when you say there's theories that are out there that we know, that's like higher than fact in science. But when we say theory, like it's colloquial, it's like a guess. You know what I'm saying? Like the term theory, I think, is just not branded well in science. Like, have you ever come across that issue? We're kind of trying to communicate with the science. Yeah, that's a really excellent point. It's so what do we mean by Einstein's theory of relativity, right?

We mean that there's a series of assumptions underline it. There's a thing called space time, which is in there. And so it's a model, really. It's an even model, right, is a word that has connotations that people kind of get tied up what's a model? I mean, so Einstein's theory is you could type these things into a computer and then you can say, okay, I'm going to, for example, take a rocket ship and accelerate it away from the earth at some one G, some acceleration, and we'll send it away on some path and bring it back again. And this Einstein's theory is a model that tells you you can calculate

how much time would have passed on the spaceship and how much time would have passed on the earth and so on. And he has a series of assumptions in it. And what we do, Science is just then taking that model, saying what does it predict, and then going looking at the real world, which is more complicated than that, and seeing how those predictions match up. And the hope is always that you find there's a prediction by the theory or the model which doesn't match what you see. And that tells you your model is too simple or not right, and then you go find a better one. And that's what we mean by theory. You just think of them as a computer program, basically that outputs some prediction and then and you check it and that that the remarkable thing

which is worth considering is that that doesn't sound like it should work very well because the real world is really complicated and there are lots of things you know from a black hole is very different to send in a spaceship to the moon right it's a different thing is a completely collapsed star or the center of a galaxy and yet The same model that allows us to accurately describe how a spaceship flies to the moon also describes how light bends around a black hole and what a black hole should look like when we point radio telescopes at the things and all sorts of stuff.

So lots of different aspects of the world from the centres of galaxies to just the flight of a tennis ball through the air ends up getting described accurately by the same model. And so you start to think that your model is really telling you something about the nature of reality. That's why. It's not, it's not, you never are interested very much in a theory that just predicts a tiny bit of the world.

And that's why you talk about conspiracy theories that they, they tend to focus on one thing, right? So it's a one tiny bit of, um, of reality. I want one little bit of an observation, whereas actually physical theories, really big physical theories, like relativity, quantum theory, those things. The big successful ones describe lots of things, as you said, from the operation of the electronics in a computer or a phone, all the way to weird, bizarre experiments that people can do with quantum computers and all that kind of stuff. So they describe lots of different things. And that's when you start thinking that it's

a successful theory, but you still try and break it because you're interested in getting a better description of the way that nature works. What's the most important, I don't want to know if I say discovery, but what's the biggest example of a theory or something, a presumption that had been held for a long time that was broken, that you guys figured out, hey, everyone that has built up before us that has brought us to this point, they were actually wrong about this one thing. Like in the last 100 years or so, what is the one thing that has kind of shattered a pre-existing paradigm that has existed in the community physics? I mean, in my field, in particle physics, you mentioned CERN, right?

So what we're really doing now is trying to look at the building blocks of matter and the forces that stick things together. And so it was certainly true that over 100 years are just a bit more. We've gone from, at the turn of the 20th century, people didn't even, everybody didn't accept that atoms existed, right? So it was actually debatable. In 1900, you had people debating whether there was such a thing as an atom. And then you go through the discovery of the atomic nucleus,

which is Manchester in my university. So you say, oh, there's this thing with a little solar system type thing, with a little nucleus and some electrons going around it. And then you go to quantum mechanics and you say, well, it's not really like that. And then the history of particle physics has then been discovering smaller building blocks. And so we thought that maybe these protons and neutrons, these things are basic things. And then it turned out that through experiment, we saw that they were quite big things with little constituents. This is the 1960s now.

And so there's a little constituents in there. how many are there we started out with two and then three and then four and then six things called quark so we keep discovering those the top quark which is the last one of those six was discovered and i should remember exactly because i was actually so it was it was 1997 1997 in um firmilab in chicago like we discover this top quark thing and then of course there's a higgs boson which was some that which was in the theory from the 1960s and got discovered by the LHC just a decade ago or so. And so constantly there are interesting things cropping up just in the search for what the building blocks of matter are.

So it's constant, and we're sure that the ones we've got now, a big mystery now, huge mystery, is that if you look out into the universe and look at the way galaxies move and galaxies form and all the theories that we have for how that works. Almost all of them depend on some other particle that we think should be around. And it's got all sorts of names. We call it dark matter. People think there might be things called super symmetric particles, all this stuff, loads of things.

And I think many people thought we'd find them at the Large Hadron Collider, and we haven't done. So that's interesting. So does that mean that we've got it wrong? We might have got it wrong. There might not be these other particles out there. Or we might just not have seen them yet. I mean, the LHC is running now, collecting more and more data,

and we're searching really hard for signs of new particles. We call it new physics. That's why we run in the accelerator, because we want to see signs of new things. So it's a constant process of changing and being surprised. One of the quarks, by the way, one of the building blocks of protons and neutrons is called a strange quark.

And it really was, because something strange. was observed, right? That's strange. That was discovered into cosmic ray collisions. So there's always, that's why we do experiments because we don't know what we're going to see. What's the... Go ahead, Erin.

I'll ask this another question. What's like the going, like if you had to bet your money on what dark matter was, like what would you be if you had to somebody tell you what is it? What would you say? I think it, my guess, my guess, is the standard guess, which is probably some kind of particle that doesn't new particle, new little thing like an electron, but something that doesn't interact very strongly with

everything else. Because the thing is we've got loads of models of lots of different things that happen that we observe in the universe. So this goes back to what I said earlier. We've got models of the way that galaxy is formed in the early universe. We've got models of something called a cosmic microwave background radiation, which is the oldest light in the universe. So it's often described as the afterglow of the Big Bang. That's light that was released into the universe

380,000 years after the Big Bang. So really far back in time. And that's got patterns in it, little tiny patterns which we see. Literally we have a photograph of the sky with those patterns. And those require dark matter. that are a best model of it. So we've got different observations,

the way that galaxies spin, the way that galaxies collide, the way that galaxies form, the oldest light in the universe, which is different, and all those models work with a new particle. So that's why it's the basic assumption. But science doesn't work on people being satisfied by good guesses.

Ultimately, it stands or falls on whether you find the thing. or not. And if we don't find it, then we have to find a better explanation. I think a lot of us have spent time hanging out with their friends, maybe partaking in some of the devil's lettuce. And, you know, we've been in college and we've thought to ourselves, wait a second, these, these subatomic particles, these atoms, it's got, you know, a core and then it's got things revolving around it. Whoa, that reminds me a lot of our solar system. Whoa, our solar system reminds me a lot of a galaxy that kind of has that same, you know, overarching principle in effect. Are there actual, like, are there similarities to what takes place at the atomic or subatomic level

compared to what takes place in the macro of, like, a giant galaxy or of a cluster of galaxies, the way they interact with each other? Is it all the same, you know, turtles all the way down? Or is it, are there, like, demonstrable differences between how, you know, physics interacts on these massive particles and the macro compared to on the micro. So there are two answers to that. One is no and one is yes, right? So I'll give you the no first.

Okay. So they're a very important difference between an atom, which, as you said, you can picture it as something in the middle, which is the nucleus, which you might think of like the star, and then there's things going around it, which are electrons, which you might think of as planets. One of the fundamental problems with that model for an atom, which led to quantum mechanics is that that's not stable.

It doesn't work because the basic reason is that electrons are negatively charged, have electric charge, and the nucleus has a positive charge. And if you wish charges around close to each other, they radiate energy away. That's a radio transmitter. That's how a transmitter works, a walkie-talkie or whatever it is, right? Or a cell phone, for that matter. That's how they work. So it loses energy and the spirals into the nucleus.

It doesn't work. So that's one of the fundamental issues that led to quantum theory, which is a very different picture of what's happening until you get these pictures of electrons and particles being wavy things that are somehow extended all that stuff. So in a very fundamental level, no, that doesn't apply to a planet going around the star because they're not electrically charged, basically, very much.

It doesn't make any difference. And so gravity, you can have this thing going around and it can be stable and go around forever, which you can't in an atom. So that's the no bit. But the yes bit is that in particular in the study of black holes, but from other areas as well, we're beginning to suspect that actually quantum theory is the base theory. So quantum theory might be a more fundamental description of nature and out of quantum theory, might come gravity. So actually, if you were to ask virtually all physicists to guess, not all of them,

but most of them, to guess what the most fundamental picture is, and there'll be a caveat to that as well that I want to say, but then they would say quantum mechanics. So in a way, we've gone full circle. But I should just be careful with fundamental these words, because it might be more correct to say that what's interesting at the moment is we're starting to see two descriptions of nature. So it's called the holographic principle. I think I mentioned it in the talk, right, in the show.

So we're beginning to see that you can, this is a good caveat. In the live show, I say, if a physicist says in some sense, it means that they're waving their hands around a bit because they don't really have, It's kind of a habit that you go in some sense, which really means we don't really know. So we're talking about cutting edge research now, but let me give you the in some sense.

So you're in a room now. And in some sense, it seems like there's a description of everything in the room, including you and space and time, all those things that are in your room, in terms of a quantum theory that lives on a boundary surrounding the room. So it's an equivalent description. And that's called the holographic principle. And that seems to be true. And it's been proved for simplified models of space and time and quantum mechanics. For the officiados, you like to look things up, look up ADS-C-F-T, which stands for anti-de-sitter conformal field theory.

It's called the ADS-C-F-T correspondence. You can look that up. So it looks like you can describe a theory with space. time, gravity, which is what we live in, right, this world, you can describe it in terms of a pure quantum theory on a boundary surrounding it. And that's what a hologram is. So that's why it's called a holographic principle. But the key thing is, I think it's not correct to say, to claim which one of those is a more fundamental description. I think what most people would say who work in the field is they're equivalent, and that's really interesting.

You can have two descriptions of the same thing. And that obviously means something quite deep. But I don't think we really know what it means. Yeah. That's in your field in particle physics, like the Shreddinger's cat is kind of like that principle where like the duality does exist. And I think that's what to me kind of fascinated me about physics. Physics is like dualities exist.

And so like the way I look at the world, just like I have a basic understanding of physics. I just, I'm like a fan more than anything. thing um is like and tell me if i'm looking at it the wrong way but it's like the the universe is kind of this like bowl and like wave particles are just like waves right and like we're just kind of like waves interacting with itself in a sense and how shit in some sense um and and and and so i question like consciousness aside and this is getting real i'm sorry but the consciousness aside i don't going to talk to physicists much, so I'm going to do that. But consciousness aside, I look at it like as just like the universe just kind of like experiencing itself, like in different wave

patterns. But we do have consciousness and something we have to acknowledge. But as a physicist, I'm wondering, I don't, I don't know if you want to answer this or not, but I've always been curious. Like, what is your thought about like the afterlife? Not like in any kind of religious sense, but just like what the physics says, like, with any kind of idea you have of what consciousness is. I know that's like a wild question to ask, if that makes any sense. Yeah, no, it's a good question. I mean, I think my picture of what we are, right, so us, is we are temporary collections of atoms that have got into a configuration astonishing, right, that ultimately you have to trace that back to four billion years of evolution.

from the origin of life on Earth. But astonishingly, I think very rarely in the universe, we've got ourselves into this configuration that can process information in such a way that consciousness is present, right? As you said, and I think it is. It's called the hard problem in neuroscience. I think we're miles away from understanding what that is.

Other than there's no indication at all that it can't be in principle described by the laws of nature, as we understand them now. So we don't think that we need anything else beyond basically 20th century physics to understand what it is in principle, right? In practice, it's so hard because a human brain is so complicated

that we're miles away from being able to simulate it or to understand it or to understand its structure fully. We know a lot. Obviously, neuroscientists are really good, but we don't have a view of how this thing come, this property of the universe, as you rightly say, comes out of these little structures. But I think they're temporary structures, right?

I mean, that seems to be the case. You could, if you remove the earth tomorrow, let's say for some reason, I have no idea what would happen. The sun just exploded and which it's not going to, but let's say it did, and completely annihilated the earth. I think that that experience that we have would be gone, right?

I think that this little corner of the universe would then be devoid of consciousness again. It's true to say in a sense that if you could, and this goes back to some of the great studies of black holes that we're talking about, if you could, if this sun exploded and you could collect all the ashes and everything that came out, you could have had a big net around our solar system and measure everything as it flew out from the explosion, then within the in principle, you could reconstruct everything that had happened in the past, right? That's determinism again.

And so I suppose the only sense in which I think that we persist is that the physical atoms themselves, and if you think determinism is, right, then the information that was contained in our heads will, in some sense, in principle, still be there, a reconstructible, but it's beyond any possible technology that we can imagine. So I think in terms of experience, right, in what we are, say, you talk about me, I, do I exist once I've died?

And I would say, no, you don't, other than in that technical sense, that the information that was you, is still there somewhere, but completely un-reconstructible. Matter is neither created nor destroyed, right? Matter is, actually. So matter is created and destroyed. Energy, we think, is conserved. But what the LHC does, I mean, why do we smash protons together at really high energies?

It's because you can make Higgs particles if you do that. So the protons go away, and the energy that in that collision can get, can get converted into lots of new particles. So you can make matter, no problem at all. That's equals MC squared, actually. That's going back to 905. Energy equals mass. So I can take energy and make mass out of it.

I can take mass and make energy out of it. And that's what the sun's doing is, taking mass and making energy out of it, basically. Let's scare our audience real quick. So the sun, you allege, will not, it will not expand and it will not engulf the earth for another, how many billion years, you said? Well, it's not that I allege.

if it just won't. You allege. Listen, don't call the son of coward. It's burning hydrogen into helium at a rate of, now, let's see if I can remember the number. I always used to remember this number. I think it's 600 million tons of hydrogen into helium every second into 596 million tons.

Yeah, we can check that afterwards. And you put a little correction on if I got it wrong. Yeah, we will. I'm dredging it. dredging it from my but it's um I think it is I think it's losing four million tons of mass a second

I think that's right I'll Google in a minute and so um so at that rate it's got about another five billion years or so left five billion however so Clark's now

however it is going to it changes over time so it will um it will expand and cool and the expansion starts in a few billion years, I think. So it probably won't engulf the earth, actually.

I think most of the current models say that because it loses some mass, the earth sort drifts out a bit. And I think we just about, we get fried, but I think we might not quite get engulfed. Okay. I don't think that's any, you know, consolation. A lot optimism. Well, I was going to sell my house.

Now I think I might hang on to it. It's billions of years. It's sunproof. I tell that joke. I say, I don't know, I said it when you were there in New York, but there is a great influence on me. It was Patrick Moore. He was a great astronomy cult, like astronomy presenter in the UK.

He'd been doing it for 50 years, 60 years, right? Just the astronomer that comes on television. And he died a few years ago. But he told me that he was giving a lecture. And then he said that. He said the sun will run out of fuel and five billion. And someone did panic. said, they went, did you say five million or five billion? As if they were like, oh, God,

I've got things to do, you know. And his point was it doesn't really matter for me. These are, but it is actually billions and not millions, but even if it was millions. Right. Yes. Yeah. I guess my follow-up is, so why do I have to pay taxes? That's going to happen. Like, what's the point of all? Is it? No, seriously, my, my original question was going to be, um, so we've got, you know, all this time until the sun you allege will either come so close to the earth that will fry us or it'll engulf us

are there any stars that we've observed in the universe anything that we've seen acting utterly unpredictably things that have caught people off guard is there a one and six trillion chance that we are off that there's a star that could you know

undergo some sort of reaction that would make it you know die before its natural life cycle we would we would assume would be complete um no we haven't seen anything um the sun's what's called the main sequence star and it's a really stable middle of its life and we've certainly seen no evidence of a style like that do anything other than just plot on right and do what it does and we understand what it's doing really well and we understand the nuclear reactions we we and all the measurements we have tell us that it's stably burning through its hydrogen, and that's what

they do. And it's really simple, actually. It's a simple thing. It's just basically gravity squashes them down because they're collapsing under their own gravity. So they get hotter in the middle. And then there's a very simple nuclear reaction, which we can make ourselves in fusion reactors. So we do this, where hydrogen turns into helium if you do that. And we do it with tritium, actually and just for the pedants who are listening, but it's broadly speaking the same. So we understand the physics really well. It's 1930s physics, 100 years old. And everything we see, we observe the sun.

And there are some things we don't get very, we don't understand. We don't fully understand its magnetic field and things like that. But everything it does is basically well understood. Okay. And the question is, we can see stars at all phases of their lives. This is one of the great things in astronomy. There's so many stars out there. I mean, our telescope can see them.

So we see stars like the sun in the middle of their lives. We see stars at the end of their lives. We see stars at the beginning of their lives. And we've got thousands of examples, three millions of examples. And they all fit in with the standard model of the way that stars form and live and die. I thought I had read something a few years ago

about an unexpected supernova that we witnessed, a star that wasn't expected. Like we weren't keeping our eye on it thinking that a supernova would occur and it caught some people off guard. Maybe I misremembered that, but I distinctly remember reading something about that a few years ago. There might be. I mean, Scypanova are interesting and, you know, there are different kinds. Many of them involve two stars interacting with each other, where one star is right on the edge

of being able to support itself and it has a companion and then the material falls onto it until it goes over the edge and then it explodes and collapses into a black hole. They're called Type 1A Supernova, by the way, which is the way that we measure distances to galaxies. So you might, it's a good question, right? How do you measure the distance to a galaxy? So you can't, you know, you can't, what do you do? And the answer is that there are supernova explosions that we understand pretty well

that have a, if we see how the brightness rises and falls, then we know how bright it actually was. And obviously, you know how bright something actually is and how bright it looks, then you know how far away you are from the thing, right? So there are lots of complicated ways that supernova can happen. But the answer to your question is we've never seen a star that's just sat there on its own, absolutely stable in midlife, just explode. They don't do that.

I'm trying to get a headline here out of you. I'm trying to get some scare clicks going on this podcast. The universe is scary enough. You don't need to make shit up, right? There's all sorts of weird stuff going on. I mean, there are things we don't. There are loads of things we don't understand. But the answer to the question is that stars in the middle of their life just plod on.

What's the scariest thing about the universe? Oh, I mean, you know, the violence of some things that happen, there are things called gamma-ray bursts, which are tremendously energetic explosions that shine across the universe. universe and we don't fully understand them. Black holes, you know, the power in in those things. The one at the, we've got two images now, as I said, one from last week of the one in the Milky Way, and then one in a galaxy called M87, which is 55 million light years away.

That's six billion times the mass of the sun, that thing. Six billion times the mass of the sun. And it's event horizon, so that in the size of the black. hole is just about a couple of times the damage of our solar system. So you're talking about the mass of six billion stars, it squashed into something, you know, even the event horizon that surrounds it is only solar system sized. So it's the, the universe is full of astonishingly powerful things, which is one of the reasons that I, as I say in the show actually, I'm quite surprised that a civilization exists at all in a typical galaxy.

Be given the violence of galaxies and the unpredictable things that seem to happen out there in space. You know, a nearby supernova explosion would make a mess of a planet. We don't see any evidence that there are no stars that are very close to us that are at the end of their life. So we're again, we seem to be okay. But that's remarkable. We've been okay in terms of a big supernova close by for four billion years.

Probability of other life forms. Where do you stand on that? Well, I mean, my basic view is that, well, first of all, the things say is we don't know. So, again, we've not seen any evidence of anything. In some sense. But we look in a Mars, for example, really carefully. And I wouldn't be surprised if we find evidence that life began on Mars because the geology of Mars four billion years ago

looked pretty similar to the geology of Earth, water, geological activity, all those things that we think led to the origin of life on Earth. So why not? And that's why we're looking. But complex life is a different thing. The only observation we have is that we have an observation that life was present about 3.8 billion years ago on this planet, which is pretty much as soon as it had formed, and the oceans had cooled down.

So we have pretty good evidence that life began pretty quickly. Quickly is, you know, we're talking about hundreds of millions of years, but quickly-ish given geology. So, but then the other observation is that we don't have any evidence of complex life, by which I mean more than a single cell, for until around, say, 700 million years ago. something like that. So really, on Earth, as far as we can tell, three billion years passed with only single-celled things on this planet, three billion. And just in the last billion or so

complex things emerged. And even then, you're talking about things like, you know, in the fossil record, trilobites and things like that. So in terms of really complicated things, you know, mammals with big brains and things, you're talking about the blink of an eye. So that's an observation. That's the only data that we have. And so you could say, if I was to guess, given that observation, then I would guess that simple life might be common and complex life might be rare, just because it took so long on this planet. I would think having our next door neighbor that is, that appears to have been so conducive to, you know, potentially having some sort of life on it. the fact that it's our little next door neighbor in our solar system and you look out at you know

the endless amount of planets that exist in that goldilocks zone that we know about in our galaxy in our in our known universe there surely has to be something right there's got to if we think that it's it's it's likely enough to have existed right here then it's got to there's got to be you know an uncountable amount of planets where it could exist or have existed in the past right yeah I mean, I think that's a fair guess, yeah. But there's two questions, isn't it? There's microbes. And then they might exist.

You know, we're interested in one of the moons of Jupiter called Europa because it's got liquid water and it seems to have geological activity on the floor of the ocean. And so we're interested because we want to look for microbes. So, yeah, we wouldn't send these missions out, like the Perseverance Rover that's on Mars now. It's a hugely complicated mission. for life. So, you know, we think it might be there. And there's a, the difference is an intelligent life. And again, always, I always get misquoted, right, because people go, yeah, you're talking shit, you know, what do you know? The point is nobody knows. The observation,

and I will stand by this, is that we haven't been visited by aliens, right? So we can all discuss that everyone. But as far as I'm concerned, there isn't any evidence that that's happened. And so the question is why, why, given that we accept the observation is that we haven't seen any other civilizations out there, that's a tremendous mystery. It's got all sorts of names. It's called the Fermi paradox after great physicist Enrico Fermi. It's called the Great Silence by some astronomers, because you're right. So you have a galaxy that is, let's say, 400 billion sums with the current estimate, I think, is that about one in 10, one in 20 of those might have a rocky Earth-like planet in the Goldilocks zone, as you called it, the right

distance from the star to support water on the surface. So you have billions of potential homes for life and billions of years. And one of the most interesting arguments from my perspective is that if a civilisation developed to the point where it can move beyond its home planet, so it becomes a space-faring civilization, and we're not so far from that, then you sort of think it should become immortal, essentially, as a civilization.

So it's no longer sat on a planet in a dangerous universe, in danger of blowing itself up or being hit by a big meteorite or whatever it is. it, once it's multi-planetary and beyond, multi-solar system, then you imagine that it should really be immortal. And therefore, you imagine that someone should have done it. It's a really big mystery. So no one's been dogmatic about this.

It's one of the biggest mysteries in astronomy. Why does it appear that nobody's done it? No one would be, you know, I don't think any astronomer would be very surprised if, like, something like Independence Day happened, right? You'd go, okay, that, well, I understand that now. That makes sense, right? Someone did do it. But the thing is that the key thing is that at the moment, you know, various aspects of the web,

notwithstanding, let's put it this way. There's no good evidence, I think, that there are any other civilizations out there at the moment. That's certainly not to say this shouldn't be, but there's just no evidence of it. And so that is a big mystery. And the answer might be biological. It might be just, it's very difficult. It goes back to what you said about the consciousness, you know.

When you say what we are is a load of atoms that've got together into a pattern that can sit there and have a conversation on Zoom, like that's a big, that sounds crazy, doesn't it? It's like, really? So it may well be that that just is so rare that you don't get many of these civilizations dotted around. And it might be, you know, a handful per galaxy, maybe. And then they just don't meet. Big T, do you have a question? Yeah.

So I've said on this show before, mostly jokingly, but kind of serious, when you say things like there are black holes six billion times the size of the sun, like my brain just doesn't comprehend that. So I'm just like, yeah, that's what, that's not real, basically. Like, it just doesn't make sense. so what it i get what is sorry about him what is a what is something you've discovered or found out or just know that you would that makes the least amount of sense to you oh i think at the moment because i because i'm also i'm writing a book on black holes and i've got a phd student who's

working on black holes so i'm interested in black holes and thinking about them a lot and i think they really, the picture we're beginning to get of them and what they imply, which as I said before, this idea that there's a, there's a, there seems to be a different description of our reality, which is about quantum entanglement, which is what you said, Trotting is cat. That's an example of an entangled system, right? So that seems to be, if not the base level of reality, then there's a description of our reality that you can build out of that, just quantum mechanics.

I mean, that's mind-blowing, and nobody knows what that means. And there's also, weirdly, and then amazingly, the way we're beginning to understand how the information that describing what we are, what's happening in our world, is encoded in the quantum theory. And the most amazing thing of all is that it's encoded redundantly which means it's like there's built-in-error correction

in the way that this information is encoded. And what that means, nobody knows at all. But it's astonishing, right? And I suspect this has always been the case. If you go back in history, you go back to the origin of relativity or quantum theory itself, there were these points, it means we don't have a good picture.

We don't understand the implications of the things we're discovering. That's always the case. So I think now we're at this point where we're just beginning to understand this link between information, quantum information, and gravity and space and time, and nobody knows what those links mean. So it's exciting. But the key thing, though, the most important thing is not there, for to make a load of stuff up.

Well, the correct thing to say is don't know. We don't know what these things mean. Cut in edge research. Very interesting. You could easily say, because there are similarities between our description of space and time and quantum computing, right, which there are in the way that information seems to play a role,

then you could easily say, therefore we live in a simulation. Right, so tempting, isn't it? To go, oh, the universe looks like a giant quantum. some computer. Well, it does in a way, but I'm not going to go from that to deciding that we are living, you know, some, the Sims version 8 billion point six. You know, that seems to me to be a bit too much of a leap. I don't know, man. We just had Trump as president. That's pretty simulation. There's a, uh, it was like somebody somebody's, yeah, somebody, what'd happen if you did

this? I mean, it does look like that. There's that thought experiment, though, that I forget what it's called. I'm probably going to screw this up a little bit. But when you think about the simulation, either we are the first society and we have not invented that first simulation yet, or we are one of many societies and living in a simulation, or we end up destroying ourselves before we reach the capability of building the simulation. So on that, it sounds like you stand on, I don't know, which one. or if that's even a fair premise to put you in. Either that or we're the first one, and we have yet to build that first simulation.

We have a radio show, so I'll plug something called the Infinite Monkey Cage, which is a BBC show, and you get it on a podcast. And we did one on this with Nick Bostrom, who you might know, who wrote one of the papers, that it's a really clever paper, actually, because it does exactly what you said, those three things that you said,

and it goes through them. And what Nick says, and he said this, on our podcast is that what he's trying to do is say these are the options now what do we know and which of those can we rule any out right so it's a really good way of thinking about the problem and you're right that it it becomes a good it's hard to rule any of those out given what we know they all you can make a lot a case for any of those things to be true And that's the intellectual content of his papers that he writes, I think. But he's really careful to say he's not advocating for anyone in particular.

I mean, if you run through it, the argument goes, basically. Could you imagine that we could build a computer at some point in the future that is so powerful that you can simulate a reality within it that is pretty much indistinguishable from the reality that we perceive? And so we all know, you know, we can simulate amazing things with computers now. And we've got quantum computers on the horizon, which are going to be significantly more powerful. So the first thing is, in his kind of logic, is, is there any reason that there is fundamental reason why you can't build a computer that is sufficiently powerful to simulate our reality? And you can estimate the number of bits that you need to describe our reality and off you go.

And so that he does it in his paper. So he says, well, what about the power, so how you power such a computer? Could it be that you need the power of an entire star to power such a computer and you go through? So that's number one. And I think the answer is no, I don't think anyone can think of anything fundamental that says you can't build a powerful enough computer. So then you say, okay, in a simulation, then do the simulated objects think that they're self-aware? Is there anything that goes back to your consciousness question? is there something in consciousness that makes it impossible to simulate in a computer?

And the answer seems to be no, but again, we're not entirely sure, but we think probably not. So you could do that. So then you've led to the question, okay, so you could do it. And then you get to your point. If you can do it, then given that there's been so much time, it seems, you know, why would someone not have done it? and if someone's done it, then what's the chances that we're in it? And so off you go.

So what it really is is a great framework for sitting there, like you said, late at night with your mates and arguing around the points. But I don't think that, again, to go back to what I said earlier, I think Nick Bostrom would say this if you had him on. We don't know enough to make any reasonable judgment amongst all those possible. possible, uh, ideas. Yeah. Um, let's do a quick, Billy's brain dump because I'm sure he's got some other intricate questions for it. Billy brain. I was, I was just thinking about all that simulation talk and I was like, well, if we have to create a computer that that's powerful,

it's going to have to have like some sort of AI in it. And if there's some sort of AI in it, that's powerful enough to replicate the whole world, then there's that theory that some people prescribed to that the AI is going to do whatever it can to create itself. A Rocco's Basilisk. Yeah. Rockos. Yeah. If you're not creating it fast enough.

And because of that, Rocco's Basilis, we have to, we won't destroy ourselves to the, because the point is that we'll destroy ourselves before we make the, the future AI will take care of itself. Yeah. So the future. So that just gave me low key hope because it's like we aren't going to blow ourselves up because Because Rocco's Basilisk is going to make sure we get to that point to create that supercomputer. See, I think the best working assumption is that our future is in our hands and we should take responsibility for it.

I mean, the great Carl Sagan, one of my great heroes said, you know, it's in the pale blue dots. If you've never read palebly dots, his reflections on the Voyager, the image Voyager took of Earth from famous 4 billion miles away, which is just this tiny pixel. And he wrote this beautiful reflection on our place in the universe from that single pixel of light. And he said there, there's a line in it where he said that no one's going to save us from ourselves. And I think that's the best position we can take. You know, it's our responsibility to make sure that we make it, the future is better than the past. And that there is a future there for coming generations to do wonderful things and build quantum computers.

go out to the stars, you know, ultimately it comes down to us. And so I think it's trying to build a philosophical argument that somehow someone, some thing will save us from ourselves is probably it's a gamble at best, right? I think it's probably detrimental to the state of life on earth to say like, okay, everybody just throw their hands up. I'm looking at the picture of the pale blue dot right now. And I feel just an overwhelming sense of anxiety looking at this. And I'm sure that's something that you you probably have to deal with in your field a lot because you tackle all these questions and problems and interesting things that it's you literally study infinity is like one way that you can look at there's there's so much stuff out there and so much

that we don't know but we do know that we are just infinitesimely small like we we in the grand scheme of things do not really matter on this earth how do you how do you how do you you juggle what you spend your day-to-day life studying with also just existing as a human being and getting through your day and doing normal things and just feeling like a regular human being that does not know all this stuff about the university you know? I think the most interesting intellectual terrain put it this way is in the space between ideas that seem contradictory And there are two ideas here. There's one, as you articulated, that we are physically insignificant, definitely.

There's no doubt. I mean, one planet around one star amongst 400 billion stars in one galaxy, amongst two trillion galaxies in the observable universe, which is one patch of a much bigger universe, and even our universe might be a bubble universe in a multiverse, right? So definitely insignificant. However, the other bit, the other idea is that I argue that we're extremely valuable beyond, essentially beyond anything we can comprehend, because going back to what we just discussed earlier about consciousness, it might be that there are very few places in a

typical galaxy where consciousness exists. And so I think it's a good work in assumption that in our galaxy, let's just assume, for the sake of argument, that that pale blue dot is the only place where a civilization has emerged that can think and explore the universe and do all the other things like write music and literature and art, everything that we value. That's the only place where that has happened. Let's just assume that.

Then that makes us astonishingly valuable. Beyond anything, I think most of us do not have the ability to comprehend how valuable that makes our dot. And so there are two ideas. There's physical insignificance, the temporary nature of existence that we talked about earlier, the fact that one day we will be gone. And yet, for this brief moment of time, there is a place where the universe can think about itself and comprehend itself and that here.

And somewhere in the space between those two ideas is the answer to the question of what it means to exist and what it means to be human. It's in there. So that's my view. I mean, you can see what my view is. It's that we have the most tremendous responsibility here, in some to the universe, because not in a mystical sense, but just a very straightforward observation that we are the means, I think Sagan said it, the means by which the universe comprehends itself. And it would be idiotic for us to take that lightly. Yeah, that's actually a really beautiful way to think about it.

Also, we're the only planet that's ever won a Super Bowl too. We got 59 of them. So count the rings. But you're right. Even that, I mean, you know, you can kind of laugh, but what an incredible thing that you can add to 30. billion years, you know, in the formation of the solar system and all this stuff in supernova explosions and supermassive black holes, there's a place where you can have the Super Bowl.

Yes. And you've got to think about it. It's awesome. Like, how lucky are we? You mentioned Sagan, and I'm always fascinated to talk about the Voyager because of what was included on it, most notably the golden record that we sent as like a representation of art on earth, of science on earth. And it had works that were put on. I think I wrote down Mozart, Beethoven.

Chuck Berry was on there, too. Where do you stand on Chuck Barry being included on the Golden Record, like representing Life on Earth? Your musician. I think he's brilliant. You know, he played recently, not recently, but at some point at JPL, it was Jet Fortune Lab, actually. He did a gig there in celebration of that.

I think it said I heard that George Harrison they were going to put Here Comes the Sun on which you might argue is better than Johnny Be Good or you might not

in the history of music and I was told that his publisher without telling him said no and wouldn't give them the rights to put it on and he found out later

after it had been launched and he was really not happy I think of all the future royalties you were thrown away with that like the universe If you listen, it's wonderful. There's Andrea as well, who is Carl's wife at the time, was involved. And if you listen to her, talk about it, about how they chose what to put on there.

It's fascinating. But they didn't have very long. They made the argument. It was something like a month or something. They said, right, oh, go on then. You can do it. So go find some music and some pictures and things like that. And it's worth just looking at what they ended up putting on there.

In fact, someone told me that, I think it was Anne told me that they said, they asked to music, they went to musicology, you know, people, experts in music and said, what should we put on there? And someone said, we should only put bark on there, but that would be showing off. So you could argue they put Chuck Berry on there as a kind of acts of modesty. Yeah. Well, speaking. But I think, you know, in the history of rock and roll, that's, that's, you know, a profoundly important

sung. Yeah. You mentioned modesty. They also included a picture of a man and a woman, but they didn't want to include their naked bodies on it. They thought that was inappropriate to show to the aliens. Like, aliens don't give a shit. They don't know.

Like, aliens not going to be like, oh, that's a penis. Actually, crazy. They probably sat there going, how did these things breed? Yeah. We didn't give them sufficient information. Exactly. The aliens are going to be like, they reproduce. sexually on earth and that's yeah it might be time for like a voyager update because i mean music

has changed you're trying to put like hardcore pornography top tweets of 2020 on there something like that it's a great it's a question isn't it how what are the aspects of our civilization that we want to send out there the first contact with a million civilization what do we want to say about ourselves what would it be yeah i know i do i actually think that you could make the argument that tastefully done pornography would be scientifically useful for aliens to find from earth, right? Well, they want to, they want to know how we breathe. I mean, I took a picture, I took a really awesome picture of American Toads and Amplexes

this weekend, like scientific. Like, how would you take that, like, what is the most natural state of humans reproducing? Yeah, just, I don't know. don't know. I don't have the answer to that. Like in the forest? Yeah, in the forest. Yeah, or in a case. What position? Yeah. That's what I meant. That's what I meant. I think you do like a top five position. You'd have to do five. Because because you don't want to think, you don't want the answers to think we're stale and we have no style. Like, you know what I'm saying? We like to mix it up over here. You know, after a couple of drinks. Yeah, we get it in. But like,

Toads have one, Toads have one way of doing it. I took this is a really, awesome photo. But they also don't send Voyagers out. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. We got to mix it up a little. We got to show them that we have complex sex. How do you know do you spend a lot of time? Observing toes.

Oh, yes. American toes. Yeah. How do you know? I'm a bit of a herpetologist. I don't know if you can be a bit of a herpetologist. It seems like something you'd be either qualified to be or not. Basically, it's do I want to go spend money to do finish it, to do graduate school to get the degree

to be a herpetologist or do I just do herpetology? He's going to celebrate National Frog Day when it rolls around and not miss it. Yeah, I'm actually really glad that you got to see this brief glimpse into Billy's brain because, yes, he is obsessed with Toads and Frogs reproducing. And Newt's and Salamators. Yes, he is. And there's only one way. Well, American Toads.

I mean, Amplexus is, you know, the introductory to reproduction in life. like that's basically yeah Amplexes that's their one way it's froggy style Kohlie do you have any questions yeah I mean I just being transparent here

I smoke before this and thinking about space and this state is top five most horrifying things so this has been quite a roller coaster for me and probably our listeners who indulged as well. The idea of, I guess it's more like, for the average person, what would the discovering of what truly makes up black holes do for people's

day-to-day lives other than terrify them more? I mean, there are two answers. There's one answer, which is that astonishingly this research is, helping us give us insight into quantum computing, which is a really practical, actually, point. So there's no better example. Cooler, perhaps. Completely, you know, blue skies physics. You know, there's always arguments about should we pay people to do these things, you know, are you just doing ridiculous stuff, studying

black holes, who cares? Time and again, it turns out that studying bits of nature actually turns out to be useful. And when you put it like that, studying nature turns out to be useful, then it's kind of, well, yeah, obviously it is. But I think the other thing about black holes is, you know, like you said, if we all sit here thinking about what reality is, which we kind of do, right? That's, you know, we do that a lot. Then again, wonderfully studying things that we can actually see, these things exist. And studying them, is giving us a glimpse into the structure of reality. And in some ways, it's not surprising because, obviously,

I think obviously studying nature is the way to understand what reality is. But these are really pushing us to really start asking questions about what space and time are. And I think it is interesting that when you say science, right, I think a lot of the reason a lot of kids don't like science or don't go into it at school, is because they think it's just, you know, swinging a pendulum or playing with some batteries or something like that. And there is, there's some of that that you learn. But actually, it's about these questions that we are all fascinated by

as we get older. Certainly we get fascinated by these questions about what is space or what is time, you know. But the fact is that science is the thing that's answering it. It's not, you know, just sitting there on a rock for 20 years. meditating, doesn't really get you anywhere with these questions. Turns out that. It's a little shot at Socrates or somebody. That's why the Greeks didn't, you know, why didn't they build spaceships?

I'm still annoyed at them. Because we'd be on Mars. We'd be so much further on if they got their act together. But they didn't. As you said, they sat there in Togas. I'm going to get so much shit for this now. We have a lot of, a lot of questions. Why were they so awkward of it?

These stands are going to be in your mansions, buddy. The mathematics and, you know, but... You could never be Socrates. Yeah, obviously I'm not. I understand that I'm doing this for comedic value, leaving myself open to attack from many other academics. But it's true. The key point is that that's not true about the Greeks, the ancient Greek.

But it's important that ultimately you find out about the nature of reality by observing it. That's what science is. It's just that, just to have a look at things. And it can be something as simple as a blade of grass. I mean, I made a series ages ago called Wonders of Life on the BBC, which was supposed to be a physicist take on biology. And it goes well, but you mentioned Schrodinger's cat.

Schroding wrote a really famous book called What Is Life back in the 1940s, really influential. And so it's worth just looking at biology from the perspective of the physicists. And I realized in that series, if you look at a blade of grass, just poking up to some concrete or something, then in that blade of grass, the whole history of life on Earth is written into that thing. You know, you can start looking at it and saying, why is it green and what's that and what are the cells and what's inside the cells and you get a microscope and have a look. And you see this evolutionary history written out in a book written in the blade of grass. So it's any bit of nature at all that you look at carefully will give you a lot of insight,

deep insight into the nature of reality if you keep going. You mentioned at the start of this conversation, Billy was explaining how your presentation talked about how the X and Y axis kind of flip each other once you get towards the event horizon of a black hole. From a practical standpoint, let's say my body was fitted with some sort of suit that was impervious to the effects of the black hole physically. So I've got a watch that's also contained in my spaceship, my spacesuit, whatever the case might be. And I reached the singularity of a black hole, where as you described it in your live event, which by the way, if anyone is listening on, in the West Coast, in Texas, go check out his website right now. You should go see

his live show. It's fascinating. Brian Coxlive.co.combe.com.com.com. Check it out. If I reach the singularity of a black hole and for whatever reason my body is not physically destroyed, just I know it's impossible, but in this circumstance, let's just say that it isn't. You say that we reach the end of time at the end of black hole. What happens to my body at the that point? Do all my cells just freeze in time? Does my watch, does the second hand just freeze where it is? What happens at that place? So, as always, the answer is we don't know what happens at the singularity, but having said that, what you would experience is you would just cease to exist. And so you would, and I think it's correct to say that.

So the first thing to say is in a very big black hole, like the M871, 6 billion times a mass of the sun, you've got no problem falling across the event horizon. You'd feel nothing at all. So it's just absolutely normal. So in your spaceship, you just go into the interior of the black hole and nothing happens. You get very close to the singularity. And you get what's called very strong tidal gravity, tidal effects. so that you hear this thing spaghettified, right, where you get stretched and squashed.

There are different theories of the way singularities are, but it all gets very chaotic there. But whether you'd have time to notice yourself getting stretched and squashed is a good question. Kip Thorne, actually, if I was going to recommend a book, there's a great book, which is an old book now called Black Holes, Time Machines and Time Warps that Kip wrote. and it's a great sort of a personal history of all this physics is brilliant and then they talks about these singularities and so I think I think it's right to say you wouldn't notice anything you'd be kind of minding your own business and nothing particularly strange would be happening and it's so quickly so quickly with these tidal effects rip me to bits that you wouldn't

notice you just be gone so you wouldn't you wouldn't feel it Sounds pleasant. So that's, I think, the best description that we have. We don't really, the key point is the singularity, we don't know what that is. So other than in relativity, it's the end of time in what's called a swarticle black hole. So as we pass the event horizon, what makes up all the space around me? What is in, is it empty space? Is it a vacuum?

Is it just an incredibly dense collection of every type of particle? What is it? It's a really great question, actually. And it depends. So from your point of view, falling in across the horizon, then it's empty space. That's central to Einstein's theory. It's called the equivalent principle. So if you're just falling, freely falling through space, then the space looks as if it were,

absolutely flat and normal and nothing. So for a big black hole where there's no tides, right? So the big, massive black holes, you just fall straight through the horizon and it's fine. That was challenged that picture in, and it's still potentially challenged by the so-called black hole information paradox. So there was a great paper, a very, very famous paper in 2013 called the Amphs paper. initials of the people, AMPS, who published it, which suggested that there might be a firewall there and actually nothing could fall through. And that led to a lot of the work that's been

done now on quantum information and things. So I think the best thing to say as of now is that we think there isn't a firewall and there is an interior to the black hole and you could fall across the horizon. And from your perspective, nothing would happen to you at all. I have another I'm sorry I don't want to cut you off yeah oh yeah but there's another view which is from the external perspective from someone watching you fall in

first of all they wouldn't see you fall in because time freezes from their perspective so you've never be seen to cross and actually they would also from the external perspective you see it very hot near the horizon because of hulking radiation and all the things that's going on there

and because of the way it disrupts the vacuum. So there is an external perspective which says that your atoms, your information is smeared all over the horizon and you essentially get vaporized and spread out and all the bits of information that is you get spread out on the horizon.

Kind of like eerily smiling at this. I know my friend Robin Insey's in the show with me, the comedian says this, right? He says that the problem with physicists is every time it gets to the end of time or people getting scettified or vaporized, then they start smiling. Because it's, you know, in fact, he said that's the only reason that I'm even in any sense remotely popular, he says, is because I have a way of being able to say that without actually it seeming threatening.

Yeah, you're very good at delivering bad news. So he thinks that's just the only reason that I'm not. You know, that anyone buys any tickets to the show. Yeah, you're like, one day everything that you know and love will completely disappear. Isn't that fascinating? It's not intentional. It's not intentional. I don't know why it is.

No, you're good. Because you're passionate. It's because you're passionate about it. It's, it fascinates you. So I have a physicist question that I've never could grasp. I'm positive you can answer it. One of the relativity's axioms is that there's a speed limit to the universe, right? But also what we understand about dark matter is that it's expanding space or space is expanding

at a faster rate than light can reach. So at one point, the distant galaxies we're not going to be able to see because space is expanded faster than the light can reach us. But if light is the speed limit, I just never understood that concept. Yeah. So you're right. It was the motivation, actually, for relativity that Einstein noticed that the, or took seriously the fact that the idea that the speed of light is special and it's the same for everybody. No matter how you look at it is the same. That was in 1860s physics, but Einstein took seriously, worked out the consequences. So yeah, there's a limit. And that enforces what we talked to that earlier, actually, the causality. So an effect being preserved. But the picture of the expansion of the universe is that space time, or space, let's say, space is stretching. So if you imagine a big sheet, a big huge infinite, it can be infinite sheet that you can stretch and you put point, just put little points on it,

just mark little dots and just stretch it. Really, just a constant rate, just stretch the thing. then what you find is the further away that dots are from each other, the faster they proceed away from each other. It's just that's nothing to do with relativity. That's just the way that if you stretch a sheet at a constant rate, that's what happens. And so you get to a point where the dots are so far apart that they receive from each other so fast because you're stretching each bit that they go away from each other faster than the speed of light.

But nothing's traveling faster than the speed of light. It's the stretch of the sheet. So it was my misunderstanding of the medium of which light is in. Yeah, it's a good question. Yeah, so that's the space itself is stretching. There's a model of a black hole, actually, called the river model, which is entirely equivalent to the way that I've been speaking, where you can imagine space as a river that's flowing into the black hole.

So you can, you just like a sinkhole, sort of thing, you know, one of those things in a lake that drains the water. So you can imagine the space is a river flowing in. And at the event horizon, then the river is flowing at the speed of light. So if you emit light on the horizon, it's like a little fish swimming up the stream, but the streams flowing in at the speed of light. So it just stays there. And then at inside, it's going faster than the speed of light in. So even if you emit light inside, then it goes to the singularity. So that's another way of thinking about the singularity. The better way I think to think singularity is a place in our future, which you alluded to earlier. So it becomes a moment

in time in the future of everything that's that crosses the horizon. That's this flip of space and time. So it's like saying, I don't want to go to tomorrow. So you can't, there's nothing you can do about that. So, but you can think of it another way, which is a river of space. flowing into the black hole and then everything gets swept in with it. Wow. All right. Physics is so poetic. Yeah. This has been fascinating. Again, I can't recommend it enough. Go see a show if you're out in Seattle, Portland, Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose, L.A., San Diego, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, or Houston in the month of June, you should go check out the show. As a matter of fact, in the other multiverses, you've already been to see a show and you had a hell

of a time. So don't be the last one in all the multiverses to go see his show. You'll thank us later. And thank you very much for joining us, Professor Brian Cox. Go check it out. Check him out live, Briancoxlive.combslive.co.com.com. Check out the North American tour and Jen. We really appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. And I'll see you again next time in New York. Yeah. More than welcome. Stop by. I love to talk to you again. Thank you very much. All right. That was Professor Brian Cox. Like PFT was saying, man, go check his show out. Go to his website.

Tickets available. Apparently, it's really good. Fascinating cat. When he comes down to Houston, I'm definitely going to give him a go. If he comes down, he doesn't come here in Houston? I don't know. If he does, I'm definitely going to go. Say he was going to the Pacific Northwest.

Oh, well, actually, I'm going to Seattle. So, and it's next week. So I might check him out. But, yeah, brilliant, dude. We don't give scientists enough credit in our society. But, man, the dude is fascinating as I wish I could talk to him more. But PFT had a shake, so we're going straight to voicemails. I hope y'all enjoyed it.

But hit us with a maddow. Good. Hey, MacArthur's and crew. I'm Maze calling from Bellingham, Washington. And my question is, the group, you're all caught in a horror movie scenario. What role do each of you play? So who dies first? who's the one person who makes out alive

who is a bad guy all along yeah that's my question I look forward to hearing your answers I'm a horror movie in American cinema I'm dying first for sure they haven't even shown like the title screen for the movie yet you're gone

nope out of there chopped in half or some shit how would that go I think I die like third and like the comedic way they kill the guy. Like, I'm, I get like my head jammed in like the nacho cheese machine or something like that. Yeah.

Where are we that there's a nacho cheese machine? Golden Corral. Movie. Well, I'm like, amusement park. Amusement park. It's either final destination or a scream I'm thinking of. So, like, they killed people in hilarious ways and that. So I'm, I could see that happening to me. She mentioned

bad guy all along. That's for sure, Billy. Mm-hmm. Or, or... I'm going, Billy or you, because I think you're kind of like you'll come off as the nice guy right it's like I'm not let's I got the ideas this is how we get out of this

and it but it was you the whole time that's how I feel I see where you're going the movie leads us to think Billy's the killer but it's been you the whole time that's fair yeah what's POT I like that I like that the comic relief thousand percent yeah he's in the

sequel for sure there's the funny stuff yeah he's definitely getting out of that you got to get out of there you got to get out of there for sure What do girls do in horror movies? Trip. Slow down the group. Billy. Well, why didn't say all that, bro?

Billy. Billy went in sale, misogynistic. I did not. You did. You did. You did know down the group. Oh, I didn't say that she's,

they trip miseriously. How is what you said not as bad as what I said? You said they slow the group down. What did he said? I didn't, I didn't say they slow. They just, they just tripped. They'd be tripping. Yeah.

And then when they. They always trip over. like a sprinkler or something. But then they trip and then they have to be grabbed by someone in the group and helped up and it slows down the group. Yeah, see, there goes to the misogyny. It's not a misogyny. It's like, I'm just the same way that it's, no, it's not like mine.

Just the same way that it's that horror movies are racist and usually like, like you said, they are also like what I'm saying. Like, just because I'm saying, it doesn't mean I mean it. It's like something that happens in the movie. Well, you said the group part is where I'm falling apart because the slasher movies, very usually one-on-one kills. So they're not chasing like the whole group. Otherwise, why would you run?

Yeah, it was just gang up on him. Yeah. That'd be a funny twist to a movie. It's like, wait, there's five of us. There's only one guy with a knife. I feel like... Let's get this. Let's get this. Motherfuck of, man. I'm with that. Yeah, I'm with that. I feel but I'm already dead, though. I feel like... Yeah, your way gone. Yeah. Avery's the type that has the, like,

secret code to the treasure chest that we need to like open it, open something and like the electronics guy the mechanics guy I'll take that yeah I like that I'll take that I feel like Avery would be the guy that we're desperately trying to contact because he could save us

somehow but we're like off in the woods or he's like watching the Rangers yeah but if he came back he would be able to save all of us but we like we can't reach him yeah he has some he has some like formula or like he's the dude that like they're like oh let me get in and he clicks a bunch of keys on the keyboard and he's like

I'm in he's the hacker like Avery has a sad light phone that could call the police yeah I haven't seen any like newer horror movies how have they remedied like a lot of people would get killed or at least a suspenseful scene was always trying to unlock the car and you drop the keys and then the killer would get closer now you just touch your door handle and you can get in because of the magnets or whatever the fucks so how have they remedied that I'll keep it a buck I haven't watched horror movies since probably the ring

okay the closest I get to horror movies is stranger things I don't know that I've ever watched one be honest with you I hate horror movies yeah yeah it's like life is already stressful like almost sit there like on purpose be stressed I like yeah I like thrillers but not like

but not like horror movies who's like I just don't get people who itch to see that like who's like itching to be like scared A lot of fucking people. I know. It's crazy. Loves them shit.

But my brother will sit there. He knows all the horror films. And he just loves that shit. Like, a matter of fact, I had to mediate one of his, one of his shorties because she came over and they were there, they were having an argument. And he was like, I want to watch the horror movie. She's like, I don't want to, like, what the fuck is wrong with you? I don't want to watch a horror movie.

Like it's night. Like, why do what? She's like, I'm watching a horror movie. He just throws it on. And she's like, I'm leaving. Like, I'm going to, I'm leaving. and he was just like hella mad because he left

like what the fuck is wrong with you. To me like law abiding citizen is like a perfect disparity between like thriller and like a horror movie. Like I like a thriller like that versus like a like just like straight up killer movie.

Even like Saul. Like saw is really gory but it's still like it's not like I jump out trying to scare it. It's just more like oh shit he really did that. Like sinister's fucked up.

That shit I won't watch. Dude that's the thing is I. sometimes like the backstory to horror movies but I hate watch them to it's too scary so I read the Wikipedias and then I don't have to watch them but I know like what happens and like

the lore behind it because some of them are like based off of like skin walkers or like cool like mythological stuff that I like reading about but there's too scary if I were president the first thing I would do is make it illegal for horror movie commercials to come on after 8.30.

Yes. Yep. Like the strangers. Yeah, I used to watch like Comedy Central at like night and there would just be like horror movie commercials every time there would be a commercial break. Yeah, no warning. No warning. They just throw it on.

Yeah. There's nothing you could do. I knew a dude that like read this thing that like if you are scared like so he'd take girls on dates to horror movies specifically because he thought it would make them like like him more because of that theory that like if you have an adrenaline

rush while you're near someone like it makes you like love them more and I was just like dude that's nuts I'm like a bad person I know he was just taking these chicks out and literally scaring the shit out of them

to bond yeah to bond yeah he's probably got a body on I don't think he liked the horror movies. I think he just like, was mentally abusing people to be, to rely on him for safety. Yeah, dude was just,

wow, actually that's a great, like, psychological take though. Yeah. No, but that's what that, that was his theory. He was like horror movies. Like, he read some study that like elevated adrenaline causes people to bond.

The people who are really, like I don't get like the people who are obsessed with horror movie villains. those are bad people I got a homeboy who's like obsessed with Searcy and I was like how you like that bitch bro I want to choke her with everything in me

Searcy was cold you like Searcy Well that's not really a horror That's not a horror though But I mean it's similar She was a bad person for sure But she did She was doing whatever it took

To keep her family on top She had one goal in mind And she didn't care Who stood in that way She had some qualities you could respect. Like what? Like what Coley just said? Yeah, she's her family above all.

I love, I root for villains that their logic makes sense. Like, to me, the end is a good thing, right? Her logic made no sense. She was just greedy and a horrible human being. Like, so, for example, Joker on a Dark Night, his logic makes sense. I wanted him to win. I wanted him to beat the Batman. Fuck Batman, because his logic does not make sense.

I saw something on Twitter It's like what would you do if you were Batman for a day It's like I just kill the Joker Like I don't know why we're just leaving him alive Because Batman doesn't kill people He does He's a bum No he does

He kills people He always says like oh it was Shrapnel or something like that But yeah It kills all the poor people There's also just like a lot of collateral damage That definitely kills people Like if you saw the car chasing the new Batman

Like he just definitely killed a ton of people yeah and i won't i won't i'll give uh surrey some credit because clearly the writing wasn't the strongest on that show as we saw oh so uh final season what we do you said final season and you know what write a better one listen don't tell if if zach schneider can redo justice league i do not understand why HBO can't redo well that's also a bad take because they the first six or they went off of someone who did write it better and they could have just waited for him to write it better well clearly he's not right

if he would ever do it but then they're like no we got this and they clearly did not and I don't know like I've I haven't read the Game of Thrones novels but I've heard there are just chapters upon chapters of him just describing the landscape

so I don't know that he wrote it better well he at least the story that they were going off of was pretty damn good and then when they were out on their own. You know what the story is? What do you mean? Like, why he wrote that? Why? It's about

the city you're in right now. He grew up in New Jersey and over the wall was what's that the Hudson that separates Jersey from New York? Yep. So he wrote in his mind what he believed New York City to be. That's Game of Thrones. A murderous

sex crazed he wasn't far off yeah the power the the politics like that's like how would you like what would you do if you own New York what what ends would you go to keep it so New York City is Kings Landing

yes holy shit yo so wait where's New Jersey I don't remember like word for word what he said I think he said it on one of the late night shows he was like yeah because he just grew up I think he was like a latchkey kid

he grew up in his apartment and all he could see all day was New York and he'd never been. So this is where his imagination led him to. See, kids, Hayton will get you a long way. But I'm just trying to think, like, was he, like, north? Is, like, Westchester the north? That's, like, Connecticut.

What that? Whoa. Matt, though, we got another one? I get that, though, the Lannisters are, like, Wall Street. like preppy bankers yeah right you want to go to do the next one yeah one more

okay what up friends from the line from Chicago I am a proud Billy Bliss bro slash bro gal just curious to wonder what you guys think about obscure sports

more specifically if there are any obscure competitive sports or games that you guys think should be featured in say the Olympics a world game situation anything like that me personally I was a competitive ultimate frisbee player in college and just don't think you get the recognition it deserves so got a couple athletes on the pot I would love to hear what you guys think and as always stay amazing stay gorgeous just a bunch of athletes here talking what's the issue what's the problem hey i'm glad you caught that care just a couple athletes let's say you just trading war stories from our times in the league i just want to

say like get the recognition it deserves like what what recognition what recognition what recognition ultimate frisbee's too recognized i would argue there's there's one answer to this question, dog. And I don't want to be mean, but yeah. Slam ball. Slam ball is so fired, dog. It is the best obscure sport there is, though. That's upset.

What's the one, what's that one sport where, like, it had, they had it in every, like, college rec center where you go inside the room. Spike ball. No, you go inside the room and you hit the ball against the walls. Oh, racquetball? Racket ball. Is that what it is? Squash.

There's a little blue ball. No, there was a game. There was a game called... I think she's talking about racquetball. They might have just called it that this at my camp, but it was called Gaga Ball. And it was basically in like a hexagon. And there was like a soccer ball and you'd hit it only,

you're only able to hit it with your hands if it touched your feet. You're up? Pickle ball. You're talking about pickleball? No, record balls, right? I know that's big with the olds right now. Squash. So when I...

That's a varsity sport somewhere. When I played basketball overseas for two weeks, there's in Amsterdam. there's a sport. I don't think it's just in Amsterdam, but it's in Europe called Corfball. And it's like soccer plus basketball plus volleyball kind of. There's no dribbling.

The hoop is, I think it's 12 feet high, which is a lot higher than you think shooting on a 10 foot hoop all the time. That's the most obscure sport I could even think of. Wait, netball? No, it's corf ball. Oh. Yeah, it is Dutch.

So it is. from the Netherlands. Oh, spades. 1,000%. So what country would win in the Olympics? Well, but come on, fam. Spades needs to be here,

fam, USA. All right, all right. Spades needs to be an Olympic sport. A thousand percent, though. Joker, joker deuce. Yeah, that's, I feel like half the battle would be getting everyone to agree on the rules. Yeah, and we can't have,

We can't have the Olympic committee set in the rules either because that'd be some weird-ass. I don't like it. Big T, did they put baseball back in the Olympics? I believe it is coming back. That would be my answer. Well, yeah, my answer is actually, there's way too many already.

Like, we need to stop recognizing some sports. I agree. Yeah. You know, it's, yeah, curling needs to get them. No, no, no. Bad take. Bad take. Nope, bad.

Talk to. Curling stinks. Curling stinks. Talk to me. What I watch it regularly, I was going to say equestrian. What I watch curling regularly, of course not. Once every four years, is it electric for five minutes when I turn it on CNBC or whatever they put all the sports that nobody cares about on.

Yes. You got to be already faded. You got to be already faded. You got to be already. That's my big team. Yeah, no, I'm for sure not. Beer pong should be an Olympic sport. I'm not mad at that

I like that something else I think we dominate in the people play it competitively are losers you put you can can play it

yeah it's on ESP and the Ocho they play it every summer like it's it's like I'd rather see people play bags cornhole yeah cornhole you know what sport

I'm absolutely a thousand percent against but I will always watch the hot dog eating contest I do not promote the heart disease or gluttony but my God will I watch that shit every time It's arguably the most American thing we do That should be an Olympic sport Just like eating contests

They should have just like specific If we want to stack golds yeah Yeah Yeah You know it's crazy Of all my times going to the baseball park Big T, you might be my favorite person to go to the ballpark with, though. I appreciate that.

That's a badge I wear honorably. Yeah, because I went to another game with one of the homies, and it was cool. You know what I'm saying? I was like, I need my guy. We need to be betting. You need to be telling me what's going on. And my dude who actually played baseball, like, for real, for real. But it just wasn't the guys behind us made it cool, too.

I don't remember if we told the story or not, but they had a game that I'd never heard of where they had 10 cards, and I think we did. tell this but you got two and those were the batterers in the lineup you got and whoever hit a home run you won the pot it was pretty fun the only other game I know like that for betting during baseball is between innings the umpire always rolls the ball

mound ball yeah whether or not it lands in the circle on the mound or on the grass uh that's always a good one too just things to pass the time we had a great time though yeah we're going to have to plan another one when when we do the uh science fair

do that I want to see that card game makes me i'd go to any baseball game should do that like a little league game i would definitely do it in a little league game no i don't have to be it'd have to be doubles doubles doubles and triples i feel like you in a high school or college game doubles would be tough too you'd have a lot of arguing about whether or not that was an advance on the throw or i think Anybody that advances to second base is a double. Literally gets hectic. Little league gets very hectic.

Trying to think of their own good sports. I feel like we know all the good sports. The Olympics are aware of the sports. Yeah. They've heard them. They've seen them. I think it's weird. It's very obscure.

But like the skiing and shooting, people don't understand how hard, how difficult that to be that precise after like skiing as much as they do they're boring though yeah no it's it's so boring like it's not they should have to shoot while they're going downhill yeah like i don't the stopping and shooting does nothing for me shoot like james bond while you're on the move now i'm watching right machine guns too i came around here you kind of ban them here you over here trying to I said I'm not with the machine guns for breath yeah now dude the machine

shooting machine guns on while skiing like the hunting rifle like I get it marksmanship but I just want to see them I need front row seats for the machine guns long I always see them going down and shooting at the same time and they have to get the like they can shoot as many times they want but they had to destroy the target yeah and let the target be like a human or something like that the poorest 10% of whatever host nation they're uh they're now in the games

i hate how they have to shoot it like a like just a standing target it should be like that thing ever seen the video of um heana reeves doing like the thing for john wick when he was preparing he like does like the whole obstacle course it should be like that like they should have to be able to move around like James Bond type stuff yeah tactical like I want to see like some navy seal like competing in up for America against like a Russian yeah is sniping is sniping one no that's basically what it is it's like they have like a like a converted sniper that they shoot but it's like small caliber it's not like they need they need they start shooting big guns like 50 No, but in the skiing thing, they ban, they ban, um, uh, beta blockers that are supposed to, like, prevent you from, uh, they make you shoot better because when you're tired, your heart rate's lower. Um, the beta blockers make it lower. So it's like one of the reasons why alcohol is considered a PED, uh, under certain doping things, like why you can't play drunk.

my real answer to this and I guess it's not obscure but the USFA has been robbed of hundreds of gold medals like Michael Phelps goes out there he gets to swim and he gets to swim backwards and he gets to swim with his pals and he just gets to stack all these medals Carmelo Anthony only has four because there's only one basketball like they play basketball so many different ways there's one on one there's three on three there's two on two there's dunk contest there's so many different ways to play basketball the fact that they added three on three didn't they yeah but it's not the same like it's it's it's not the rules jacky the rules yeah the rule like it's constant like there's no out of bounds like there's no stop there's no checking it up it's it's it's it's i think it's like a eight or 10 second

shot clock like we know how to play three on three check up win by two we got no refs All your own fouls. We know how to do this. Prison rules. Maybe not a dunk contest, maybe a three-point shootout I'd be okay with. Yep. But, yeah, let's. Three-point shot them.

There would be some other countries that would give us a run for our money in that. In what? And the three. What are you talking about? I mean, there have been great. We have the greatest shooter. We have the greatest three-point shooter of all time, and it's really not even close. That's true.

And two. And three, four. like we've got all of them. There are guys who could give them a run. Where's your pride? Listen. Yeah, and now some communist big T is rooting for some fucking prick shooting threes in Russia? You're not going to put that on me.

You're not going to put that on me. I would also love to see Greece trot out the three Antis Kupo brothers for a three-on-three team because Greece is never going to qualify just because they don't have anyone else. So I'd love to see that like for a three-on-three squad. Where is Joel and B? Where are he from? Where are you from from? It's, um, I want to say, Cameroon.

So where do he play for them? I believe so you don't. Isn't Siakum from Cameroon, too? I don't know. Do you see a big T? I mean, where Joel and Bates from? Yeah, it's Camero. Oh, okay.

Can you look up Seacum too? you're there. Dude, I mean, I think, I think some fourth basketball teams, like when St. Peter's, St. Peter's University in Jersey, like, all of their guys were all foreign players, like a lot. There's a lot of lower colleges like that that have tried, because where does the Icom go? It was a New Mexico State or something like that? Yep.

yeah yeah that's I mean that's like they're a real only shot to compete they know they're not going to get the top American players so they kind of have to do that yeah but yeah I mean

Charles Barkley famously in 92 it was like I don't know who Angola is but I know they're in trouble like that we've come a long way since then but has he have he? No no I'm saying

basketball internationally has come along Oh, I thought you meant Charles Barkley. If there was, I do think there should be a U.S. versus world side event. I think that would be interesting. These other countries have no business being on the floor with us. Like, country

versus country though. Australia, get out of my face. All the rest. Like, just France, get out of my face. I got my time. There's a handful of countries that can compete. It's just Spain every once in a while. In France. Yeah.

And we played Australia in the gold last time, right? I'm pretty sure. Australia? I remember Patty Mills out there. Yeah. Yeah, I got no time for them. I've got zero time for these other countries. Three on three, we should still.

We should have multiple teams competing in three out three. But now if it's Luca, Janice, Embed. Oh, is this the world versus us? Yeah, that's what we're saying. Like, who else would be interesting? That'd be interesting. they do it for um which is coming up actually it might have already happened they do it for the top high school prospects they do USA versus world out in Portland every year um and that's you like

that's where Dante XM got drafted because he showed out in that game like there's there's always world usually wins to be honest but once you get to this like yeah it'd be Giannis it'd be Luca it'd be in Bede trying to think who else would start on this team Kyrie's here, so he wouldn't qualify. I got an interesting question, and then we can end the show. There's a report going around right now that they, so basically what's happened in the NHL playoffs this year with the Panthers in Tampa is that Tampa is up 3-0. They beat Florida twice in their own arena, and they won last night, so they're up 3-0.

And there's many sources saying that they saw several Florida Panthers players out partying at a Tampa Strip Club until 3 a.m. after they lost going down 3-0. What do you guys think about that? Harrian's nodding his head. Live it up, man. You like that move? I mean, that's the best of preference thing.

I know dudes who could go out, have a good night, and then play very well, and it should don't matter. I know dudes who it affected their game, and so you got to know your game. Playoffs, you got to lock it in, though. Sure. I understand that. Like regular season, nobody cares.

But there are people who, that's part of their regimen. It's like, that's how they mentally unwind in order to get right for the game. I'm not, I wasn't one of those guys. I have to, I'd be up till three in the morning before just fucking searching YouTube because I can't sleep. I was one of them cats, but I understand cats. Everybody has, that's what I learned in professional sports, everybody has their process. So I just respected everybody process as long as you show up and get the job done. I'm not, I'm not into the micromanaging people's lives.

Like, I was never like, if you play to the best of your capability, it is what it is. You win something to do something. I don't really care about it. What's the craziest thing you ever heard of somebody doing the night before again? I mean, it wasn't too crazy, but they would go out. I know cats that snuck out of the hotel. I know cats that snuck females in the hotel room. I know they just, you know.

You say sneak or snuck. Like how hard of a process was that sneaking? It wasn't hard. Yeah, I didn't. It wasn't hard. not saying i partook in those barbaric festivities ever sir we're about to pull the it wasn't hard to do quote out of this podcast and not the oh fuck me bro yeah he'll be my own my bumper again man when every time these stories come up it it's always said under the context of like

they have to work a normal nine to five like what like like Like, your job doesn't start until 8 p.m. the next day. Like the hours aren't. Yeah. So staying up till 3, 4 in the morning is like staying up till 9, 10 at night for a normal person. I don't understand. I always thought they overdid that shit anyway, especially in NFL. NBA, I don't know how to do it in the NHL, but I know baseball, like, it's for mad freedom.

Like, they could go out, they could do their thing as long as you show up for, like, shoot around or whatever the case may be, like, you good money. Like, football, like, dog, it was so, like, they treated you like a little child. Like, you had it, they had security guards on that they had somebody come and check to make sure you were in bed, uh, fucking, um, it was just micromanated to the, oh, like the next, like, say we had a night game the next day, like playing on Monday night. But I got to be up at 8 in the morning to check in for breakfast or else I get fined, right? Then I got to go to a meeting at 8 or 9. So I got to go to a meeting and then I go to my back to my room and then I have another lunch meeting and then a walk through and then I go back to my room. I'm like, yo, you're getting me more tired. Just let me lay in my fucking bed, bro. Like, why are we here? It was just so stupid.

But they treat football players like little kids, though. I was like, yo, what was wrong with y'all, though? It was the wacky shit in the world. I remember when the Bulls were up, or when the Knicks were up on the Bulls, when the Knicks were a competitive basketball team, Jordan went to Atlantic City. And people made it out to be like he killed 20 people on the way there and back. like he's not taking this seriously.

And it's like, it's Michael Jordan. Like, he's fine. Like, he's going to play tonight and he's going to win the game. Like, that's the thing is I don't understand what people think, like, athletes just sit there and just fucking think about the game and angles at how I'm going win for 48 hours straight. Like, no, dog, like, I'm going to do like, I keep it a buck. 99% of the cats in the whole day, they beat and they meet.

Everybody just beat. Just mad. Clips out. Black lights. Just do black lights at every hotel room after the players leave. It's going to be crazy. It's going to be a crime scene anymore. Catholics would go nuts about that shit.

It's like, bro, like, first thing from my mind was football when I'm trying to, like, have my down time. So it's like, if you enjoy gambling, if you enjoy it, whatever, go do what you enjoy to do. The micromanages to me is a bit obsessive. There's like people thinking about their favorite players, like wonder what they're doing their product they're getting so hyped up for the game and they're not and they sitting there they sitting there looking at you know alexis texas the crazy the craziest part about um uh the last day uh the last dance was just hearing about how much michael jordan used to drink the morning of games honestly just like a like no

not like heavily would like have a beer or two with breakfast and I'm just like whoa bro on uh on eddie's news show what is it rebuilt it rebuild that um he's with michael jordan's trainer was it tim grover oh yeah he's been talking about how after games guys like their bodies didn't want food because like you just played a crazy game like 44 minutes running up and down the court Michael Jordan specifically, maybe the greatest athlete who ever lived, he didn't want food. So, like, the best way to get any sort of nutrients into your body and quickly was beer and alcohol. So Michael Jordan, like, after a game, like, and throughout the whole last dance, you see it, he's always going to Miller light in his hand. Always.

That's so. Yeah, I don't think that's because he was trying to get nutrients, bro. I think he was just. No, I mean, there is. Mike might be getting slizzard, bro. no of course he is and especially since he retired i mean his eyes he got the john this he got to see yeah he looks like like the simpsons in his eyes like it's crazy um but i know when you're cramping like one of the best things

i'm sure billy and his science can can back this up if you have a cramp like the best thing you can do is drink like a beer because it gets in your system the fastest i was um when i ran my marathon didn't train for a second on a treadmill. I was drinking mustard. Right. Because I didn't want to cramp. Right.

And then I immediately drank beer after the marathons. Unfamiliar, but I'm definitely taking y'all's word for it. But I think we read a little long because we had a long interview with Brian. Can't know. All right, y'all. Well, that doesn't for this episode. What is it? Like, comment, subscribe, all that shit.

We love you. Appreciate you. See our next episode for a nanodosia. Billy, you got the guy queued up. Yeah, I'll get the guy queued up. Little selection, I think we're going to do a correctional officer who has crazy stories. So hopefully you guys like him. Is it Rick Ross?

Do you guys see his car show this weekend? He saw him. He pointed out one of those motorcycles with the side car, and he was just like, if there's any ladies out there, I'd like to take you on a date, you can sit in the side car. I promise I won't go faster than 50 miles an hour. And he's just smoking a blot the whole whole time. It's so fun.

Rick Ross is sneaky, one of the funniest mental life. Oh, the number one follow on Instagram's macrodosing podcast. The second best follow on Instagram is Rick Ross. His story is always like an hour long. And he had the biggest car show I've ever seen on his property that he calls the promise land. It's something to be seen. And Chad Johnson was just riding a horse.

That sounds right. He's in my top thing. I don't even follow him on a gram. I try not to follow people I like on this year. Yeah. It gets weird. You know, I don't like it anymore. And then I'm not a fan.

But anyway. All right, all right, y'all. Y'all be easy. Peace love. Taking grease. Thank you. I don't know. Thank you.